Unreal Engine

[placid siren]

the laziest of lazy sampling for a lut

luminance

actually

this looks like an output shader

1.05 is post lut builder sampler

1/1.05 is the lutbuilder itself

float _383 = (frac(sin((TEXCOORD_2.w * 543.3099975585938f) + TEXCOORD_2.z) * 493013.0f) * 2.0f) + -1.0f;

noise/dither

the lut may be hardcoded from disk

if it's not generated

though should be generated because nobody is going to build a lut with 1/1.05

unless they don't know what they're doing

is that the same resource id?

InterlockedAdd(_26[(_196 >> 6u) + _195], _509, _517);

doesn't seem grading lut related

if lutbuilder isn't running every frame, then it didn't compile the lut with game/ui relation

yep

doesn't seem right. but that's color temperature

like, if color temperature is less than 6500?

assume cb0_037y is 6500 99% of the time

seems hella cursed

[mint escarp]

ooh ok lemme see

ui brightness is still increasing game brightness

i have zero idea what any of that means

and most of the other sliders aren't working either.

[placid siren]

you gotta find a way to retrigger the shader we're modifying. usually pause menu or some other game setting

[mint escarp]

hmm I paused, went into photomode, played normally, made car modifications in the garage. dunno what else I could do

[placid siren]

try game settings

[mint escarp]

changing them?

[placid siren]

where you can setup contrast/brightness

just triggering the menu is usually enough

[mint escarp]

heres the newest file it made. can't get it to make any more files by changing settings. do note that this was made prob after I turned on some settings in the advanced section of renodx. dunno if thats big no no

[placid siren]

it has to say _new_ if it's not in the addon

[mint escarp]

pretty sure i replaced it lemme redownload

[placid siren]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[placid siren]

why did the file get "_new_" this time?

[mint escarp]

I redownloaded the addon and replaced it again

and I disabled the swarchain setting in advanced after I turned it on to see if that worked

either one of those

this is after turning on hdr which crashed the game couple of seconds after

lemme know when to stop cuz it keeps remaking this file everytime my game restarts I think

[placid siren]

if you have new with an addon that includes those shaders.. then you're not using the new addon

[mint escarp]

ok I have redownloaded the file a third time.

[placid siren]

from where?

[mint escarp]

here

[placid siren]

unless wuwano screwed up

[mint escarp]

this time it didnt make a "new" one

but ui brightness still affects everything and no sliders work

it did update this one timestamp changed

[placid siren]

the dates dont line up

it doesn't delete files

[mint escarp]

im lost.

[placid siren]

delete the cso files, then boot the game

[mint escarp]

ok

thats the only one it made

i have not used

i'm still on the old one you gave me which i'm assuming is the same

also I tried to use rest yesterday to lower the hud brightness with an effect* but the game just crashed when I chose certain shaders

maybe reshade is having trouble accessing some shaders?

i dunno

oh and just to double check I should be on renodx's reshade build yes?

ok i shall try that

oh nvm then

you think clearing shader cache would help? since its ue5 and dx12 i'm assuming theres shadercache

im not crashing at all. and i'm using dlss 4 preset k

borderless I can't change fullscreen res to 1440p

button prompts get misaligned and makes it impossible as soon as I switch to fullscreen from borderless

also i switched to default reshade and it still works fine

"fine"

yeah apparently its rng now. but i don't play a lot of new games so im lucky i suppose

[placid siren]

resource upgrades?

use dlssfix and try not upgrading any textures

[mint escarp]

uh i didnt bother changing the r10thingy

does that work for you?

it is outputting hdr but none of the sliders work

and ui brightness controls game brightness im assuming

[placid siren]

with dlssfix?

[mint escarp]

nope

should I be?

[placid siren]

it's to single out crashes from reshade upgrades

crashes might be from shader replacement then

some pipelinelayout stuff, basically

they're rather fragile

dlssfix fixes that

[mint escarp]

im just built different bruh

[mint escarp]

in the garage it hovers around 400 peak nits but when actually racing it peaks to 1000 for me which is my monitors peak

and I hope someone looks into it. this game is a good candidate since its night time racing with a lot of lights

and is the dlss fix only for unreal engine?

[placid siren]

Use a debug build and attach vscode and you'll see why it crashes

[sullen spoke]

playing lost soul aside with the universal unreal reno addon
looks like my max nits are capped at 203
anything i've done wrong here

seems to work ok on the main menu though

[dusty girder]

@sullen spoke if you move the blowout slider, does it change the scene?

if thats the start of the game, I tested it

and I think it worked just fine

idk if it might be 21:9 memes

[regal kayak]

looks like it might be, there are slight black bars there

[sullen spoke]

blowout slider works fine from colourful to black and white

[dusty girder]

do me a favor:

set the sliders from output size to aspect ratio

if that doesn't work; check if windowed mode 16:9 works

if 16:9 works its good ole ultrameme issues

[dusty girder]

ok yea its resource upgrade stuff due to ultrameme; read above

[regal kayak]

if there's a mod that gets rid of those black bars, it will work

[dusty girder]

restart the game after changing output size -> aspect ratio

[sullen spoke]

cool, i'll take a look and try this out
reporting back in a few mins

[dusty girder]

I think the game shipped with native ultrawide, but I forgot

[regal kayak]

it looks like it did, but some games support it only up to a certain point and add black bars

[dusty girder]

yea

also 16:9 stuff still needs upgrading

[sullen spoke]

so change to this?

[dusty girder]

yes

[regal kayak]

aspect ratio won't fix it, assuming ultrawide is the problem

if there's no mod to fix the black bars, you'd have to hope ignore size works

[dusty girder]

also try upgrade copy destinations; idk if the game had NIS that might break it

[dusty girder]

oh yea ignore size will work 100%

but if the game breaks or not is another issue

[sullen spoke]

lyall took a look at the black bars and said nope

[dusty girder]

so a mod is making the game 21:9?

[sullen spoke]

nah it's native

[dusty girder]

wait I see, there are a few pixels of black bars on the sides

yea that would need custom implementation

if you dont care, you can play in 16:9

if you're on an oled, it should be just fine

when I had a 21:9 oled for a year, I played 99% of my games in 16:9

but you can try moving the sliders to the third position to see if the game breaks or not

[sullen spoke]

changing to output ratio didn't fix it
i'll try 16:9 to see if ultrawide is the issue

[regal kayak]

if you want me to fix it, you could load up the devkit and find out what the exact dimensions are and I could send you an addon with that upgrade

[sullen spoke]

16:9 works fine

[dusty girder]

yep ultramame issues

[regal kayak]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/releases/download/snapshot/renodx-devkit.addon64

[dusty girder]

@regal kayak if you want to be a good person, you can build him a custom ue with whatever aspect ratio needs upgrading

you just need to get the resolution from the devkit

[regal kayak]

download that, install like renodx normally, open menu, click snapshot, click magnifying glass, scroll to the bottom of the list and look for dimensions

whatever it shows that's a little bit smaller than your native res

or well, whatever it shows that's a slightly smaller aspect ratio than native res (if you're using upscaling)

[sullen spoke]

do i need to wait until it finishes auto dumping shaders as nothing happens when i click snapshot yet

[regal kayak]

you just have to click snapshot when the problematic scene is on screen

it can mess up if framegen is running

[sullen spoke]

let me know if i'm doing something wrong here
clicking the magnifying glass but not getting any results

[regal kayak]

video not loading for some reason, are you clicking the word snapshot?

[sullen spoke]

no i was not

ok

[bleak nest]

Has to be, played the game with the mod and it was fine.

[dusty girder]

yea ik

it is ultramemes like always

[bleak nest]

16:9 bois keep winning.

[regal kayak]

I'll add whatever upgrade is needed to the mod, it's highly unlikely it causes any issues

[sullen spoke]

could it be due to DLDSR
my monitor is native 3440x1440 but playing at 5160x2160
pic shows dimensions reported

[regal kayak]

no, that seems about right for the size of the black bars lol

[dusty girder]

dont hardcore the dimensions

do aspect ratio = 5040/2160

[regal kayak]

I did

[dusty girder]

ok gud

if that doesnt break 16:9

you can prolly add it to the custom mods function

[regal kayak]

that's how it's already setup, it'll apply just to this game

[sullen spoke]

same issue

[dusty girder]

did you upgrade both bgra8 typeless and rgb10a2 jon

[regal kayak]

huh, maybe the 10 bit resource is needed too...

[dusty girder]

yea

[regal kayak]

I thought it would just be 8 bit lol

[sullen spoke]

hope the game is good after all this 😄

[dusty girder]

I think that aspect ratio is too obscure to grief

16:9

[regal kayak]

yeah there's no shot

[dusty girder]

I hear its average, in a good way

nothing wrong with average

[sullen spoke]

still at 203 in game

hold on my resolution changed
let me try again

you've done it!

thank you so much guys
do you want me to send the dimensions of 3440x1440 as that's a way more common resolution?

[regal kayak]

doesn't matter, it applies to the aspect ratio

[sullen spoke]

the 1st pic i sent a second ago was 3440x1440 but that was still 203 but when changing to 5160x2160 it worked

[regal kayak]

maybe the black bars are slightly different?

would be kinda weird

I could add some padding to it

might just be a like, 1 pixel math difference or something

[regal kayak]

why is it 1 pixel taller...

[sullen spoke]

no idea

[regal kayak]

that's so weird

I'll just pad it a bit. One sec and I'll send another build to test

[dusty girder]

my monitor does the same thing

all the high refresh rate oleds do it

aw3225qf here

it will do 2562x1441 for 1440p with dlss quality

idk why, but its a thing a lot of monitors do now

[regal kayak]

I've never noticed that on mine tbh

[dusty girder]

honestly idk what causes it

[sullen spoke]

i see it now and again

[dusty girder]

I know everybody with my monitor has dlss do that 1 pixel shit

[regal kayak]

okay give this a shot I guess

• Upgrade black bar aspect ratio for ultra wide monitors in Lost Soul Aside

I'm not really sure how the aspect ratio tolerance flag actually works, so we'll just have to see what happens here

[sullen spoke]

working at both 3440x1440 and 5160x2160 now

[regal kayak]

I set the tolerance to 0.1f, hopefully that's as small as it sounds lol

[sullen spoke]

future generations will thank you
again thanks so much man
i did not expect this to be on top of so quickly ❤️

[regal kayak]

no problem, I'm just sittin around bored rn lol

[sullen spoke]

steam sale starts today so maybe just averted a mini influx anyway 😄

[dusty girder]

yea I was about to suggest tolerence, but

shits scary

like if you think about it

2560/1440 = 1.777_repeated

so if tollerence makes it go from 1.7 to 1.8

1.8 might be some shit that shouldnt be upgraded

probably safe, but idk what 1 pixel of tolerence is

[regal kayak]

I feel stupid as hell for not realizing the tolerance number applies to actually dividing the numbers

sometimes it's like that I guess

[dusty girder]

2562/1441 = 1.77793199167245

so the difference goes down into the ten-thousanths

[regal kayak]

maybe I should set a smaller tolerance lol

eh, doubt it causes an issue in this game either way

[dusty girder]

I dont know what the right answer is

I'm just thinking outloud

[dusty girder]

thats probably the case tbh

its gud

what I did for some games was

just upgrade 2560/1440

and 2562/1441

since the 1 pixel bullshit carries over to all resolutions

so if you have the aspect ratios for both, life gud

[sullen spoke]

will these fixes be integrated into the snapshot version of Reno from github?

[regal kayak]

I'll make a PR for it at some point

for now I edited the message to say what I did and make it searchable lol

[sullen spoke]

hopefully will save some work if people use search function
if

[dusty girder]

problem is hardcoded rgb10a2 upgrades might break dlssfix

since dlssfix requires rgb10 upgrades off

[sullen spoke]

i'd test it but dlssfix just crashes my game anyway

[dusty girder]

did you properly edit

the paths

in the ini

dlssfixc should be stable with lost cope aside

I tested it

[sullen spoke]

yeah i did set them correctly
i'll go give it another try now to be sure

so link to nvngx_dlss.dll and sl.interposer.dll or just the folders they're in
i linked to the files and it crashes on boot

not overriding anything using nvpi or glom

i'll take this to the dlssfix thread

[wicked parrot]

Hi guys, I am trying to use RenoDX with Little Nightmares Enhanced Edition and it doesn't seem to work. The "game brightness" slider don't do anything and the "UI Brighness" slider seems to change the brightness of both the game and the UI. Highlights brightness are limited by this UI Brightness as well so the "Peak Brightness" slider doesn't work as well.

With the standard version of Little Nightmares the addon works. Do you know if there's something I can do or some setting I can change? The probleem seems to be that the addon thinks that the whole game is the UI.

[dusty girder]

enable "dump luts" under advanced

and restart the game

@wicked parrot

inside of the game folder where you installed the addon, there should be a /renodx/ folder

upload the .cso files from there

[wicked parrot]

i'm installing the addon again, give me a second and i'll upload them

@dusty girder

[dusty girder]

alright give me a minute

adding the game to the mod

compiling

@wicked parrot delete the old renodx unreal addon, and replace it with this

also you might have to upgrade B8G8R8A8_typeless and/or R10G10B10A2_unorm to output size

please let me know if it works, so I can commit it to the repo

[wicked parrot]

I'm testing

[wicked parrot]

Ok, it seems that it work in-game. The main menu is totally washed out but as soon as I start the game it seems to be correct. I'm gonna upload a few screenshots

[wicked parrot]

Also it works even without upgrading those settings (tested both disabled and both output size and it's the same

In-game:
SDR / HDR 800 nits peak

[dusty girder]

the second pic looks normal

try lowering blowout restoration

[wicked parrot]

Main menu SDR / HDR

[dusty girder]

oh

ontop in grading

there is blowout restoration/saturation recovery

something like that

lower it to 0

wiat i own the game

let me test it myself

[wicked parrot]

Nice! Thanks

[dusty girder]

I forgot when I bought it

all I'

all I've been playing is runescape

[wicked parrot]

If you preordered LN3 you received it for free

[dusty girder]

yea

I pre-ordered one of them

and got one for free

yea saturation correction 0

makes the game look like sdr

since unreal is a mod for a ton of games

you need to mess with the sliders sometimes

also I think you need "upgrade copy destinations"

[wicked parrot]

so default settings + saturation correction 0 should be fine?

[dusty girder]

yea

you need upgrade copy desinations

[wicked parrot]

What does that setting do?

[dusty girder]

whats the lighter button

I missed it

you need to upgrade resources to make a game hdr, since this game uses compute shaders/uavs

you need to change it to on

but yea whats the lighter button lmao

[wicked parrot]

F on keyboard

circle / B on gamepad

[dusty girder]

ty, sdr -- renodx hdr (saturation correction 0)

[wicked parrot]

these are my settings now

[dusty girder]

these are mine

[wicked parrot]

oh, i will set to output size those two settings then

[dusty girder]

the r10g10b10 one might not be needed, but it doesnt hurt

[wicked parrot]

Thank you very much man, you are amazing

[dusty girder]

np. enjoy

[wicked parrot]

Hope I have the knowledge to do these kind of things

[dusty girder]

made a pull request, so this should be part of the main mod soon

[wicked parrot]

By chance, do you know if it works with LN2 enhanced?

[dusty girder]

I have regular 2

[wicked parrot]

if you click on "Play" on Steam you will be able to select between the standard and the enhanced version

its not a different game

on the library i mean

[dusty girder]

I'll test it in a bit

but it works all the same if its UE

it will either work out of the box

or you'll need to send me a shader

btw you can turn off dump luts until you find a broken area

it kills performance

[wicked parrot]

I did

Do some of the other settings affect performance?

Like R10G10...

[dusty girder]

nah

on paper they do, but in reality its like peanuts

nowadays its "free"

[mortal birch]

does someone knows why luto ue 5 game is giving a black screen?

[mortal birch]

same problem with dead island 2, menu is visible but in game all black wtf?

[wicked parrot]

@mortal birch

[mortal birch]

I did that

But wheh moving the sliders does nothing

In the Case of luto

In dead island 2 it screw the imagie kj the menu in game is black

Could be related to the CSO?

Sorry I'm new on this 😢

O changed thst option

And also b8 typeless something also to output size

[swift plover]

did you restart

also dead island 2 has its own separate mod

[low light]

I am using unreal renodx for gta definitive but shadow details are crushed with default settings (in sdr too) should i lower in game contrast or switch gamma correction from 2.2 to off or increase shadows from renodx settings? Which option would be better?

Or leave it as it is because thats creators intend xd?

[placid siren]

first check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAhxR-gMU_U

[halcyon mirage]

What would be the difference between using this or making a custom mod for a game ?
(Lay of the Land, UE 5.6.1)
The game has no HDR, but has DLSS4 FG (though idc about FG)

If this is enough to unclamp and get proper HDR in a UE 5.6.1 game, then that's enough for me I guess
(or I still need to get lutbuilders or smth ?)

[placid siren]

probably 99% stock UE

[halcyon mirage]

The guy made his own "game engine" inside UE to make a voxel game

but the rendering is probably really close to stock UE yeah

[halcyon mirage]

I guess just try this and if I go above 80 nits it's working 🤔

[placid siren]

per channel UE is my guess

[halcyon mirage]

I'm too dumb about shader programming and all this stuff to make its own mod probably lol

[low light]

My screen is calibrated no problem in this test

[coarse axle]

Dew it, I managed to get one out

Then start learning

And looking into HLSL

[placid siren]

then probably lower contrast. gta3 games are from crt era which is 2.4 gamma

[halcyon mirage]

Blackscreen menu (it's not 3d render afaik) with this addon
should I dump lut and send them here, or try to upgrade something first ?

[low light]

Should i lower in game setting contrast or renodx

[placid siren]

renodx

[placid siren]

if you get a new lut, it needs to be patched

[halcyon mirage]

hopefully it gets loaded into this basic menu, because I can't really go ingame lol

[placid siren]

doesn't say _new_ so it's already patched

[halcyon mirage]

I was able to navigate the menu to get in-game, but still black screen 😔 and low fps
Guess I'll try each "upgrade" setting

[coarse axle]

Does the game have DLSS sharpening

[halcyon mirage]

Oh 😅

Maybe add this into the main post of this thread 😅

[placid siren]

you don't need it with dlssfix

[halcyon mirage]

Still blackscreen, even with this R10G10B10A2_UNORM 😔
I tried without DLSS-SR/FG enabled in-game, same behavior

[coarse axle]

^ and is it auto set

[halcyon mirage]

No idea, I disabled it anyway
this could be the issue ? I thought DLSS 3/4 didn't have any sharpen anymore

Lol it works if I upgrade every single resource 😆

Though I see slight flicker everywhere

So, for Lay of the Land:
B8G8R8A8_UNORM : fix blackscreen at launch
B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS : unclamp the game (>203 nits)

But for the flickering bug.... let me make a video

[halcyon mirage]

left is sRGB, right is Rec.2100 (in OBS)
Any idea why the flicker ? @placid siren
not talking of the HDR analysis flicker (doesn't happen on my screen) but the flicker in the bottom-right graph ; fog and stuff flicker a bit, worse with higher fps cap

Though the fact the HDR analysis shader flicker in OBS, may be caused by the same issue flickering the shadows etc (hardly visible in the video, but visible on the histogram, top and bottom)

[placid siren]

probably some texture copying and only targetting certain resolutions means incompatible copying of non-upgraded textures

[halcyon mirage]

Hmm should I try to upgrade texture destination ?
Or need a game specific mod :/

Yeah no the upgrade texture doesn't help 😔

Could I get more infos with the devkit or smth ?
should I remove or keep this addon alongside it 🤔

[placid siren]

no texture upgrades shouldn't cause flickering though, unless it's trying to read back from swapchain

which a game should absolutely never do

also, the game is in 8bit swapchain, so not standard UE which is 10bit

[halcyon mirage]

I dumped a few relevant shaders I found with the devkit (with [the two resource upgrades](#1411800884303626311 message) enabled with this addon)
menu-render -> blackscreen in menu when draw disabled (remove part of UI when ingame, when draw disabled)
ingame-render -> blackscreen when draw disabled (except UI stay visible)
ingame-freeze-render -> freeze the render when draw disabled
ingame-freeze-render2 -> freeze the render and the slightly transparent UI accumulate to opaque, when draw disabled

though it would probably need a decent amount of work I guess 😔
Hopefully someone will get interested in this game, when it will land on Steam 🙏

Seems like there's a gamma conversion in menu-render, but I am too dumb to understand what to do with that information lol

[placid siren]

screenshot?

[halcyon mirage]

I mean I just decompiled that shader and sent it to gemini llm lol
actually another one, wait

ah no it was just the "early access" UI text, from another shader
Weird how the "decompile" view in the devkit show a different result than when I dump and decompile it 🤔

[placid siren]

probably the flatten option

[sturdy lagoon]

wtf is this, this looks so cool

oh you linked it above that

[halcyon mirage]

Minecraft but better
Amazing voxel game, it even has physics, and the building is amazing https://store.steampowered.com/app/2776090/Lay_of_the_Land/
short videos about new features https://www.youtube.com/@Tooley1998

Seems like I lost the LUT 😅

[sturdy lagoon]

why can you play already?

[halcyon mirage]

it's on his patreon for now
5$ per month

[sturdy lagoon]

ah

[mortal birch]

hello mussa sorry time difference. I didnt find the dead island 2 mod on "mods"

[swift plover]

Ah I forgot to add it. I’ll do it once I get home

[mortal birch]

are you sure mussa?

i dont want to disturb you

[swift plover]

Takes like 5 seconds

[mortal birch]

ok thank you mus..

[swift plover]

I’ll just upload the latest file here and then do the nexus post later

[mortal birch]

thats luto with the R10G10B10A2_UNORM over output size. Screenshot with reshade

and changing the sliders like saturation wont do nothing

the game dont have a "hdr option"

dont mind the overexpuse is just the clip from windows messing with the hdr

renodx-ue-dev.addon64
i tried with that addon and the other one called "unrealengine"

is that good? xD

[swift plover]

#1424858790620303380 message

[mortal birch]

thanks mus

[tame raft]

Valor Mortis (UE5)
SDR / Multi-Game Reno (with R10G10B10A2_UNORM)

any idea why it's like this?

LUT Shaders

[placid siren]

might be from rgb10a2 upgrades. try no upgrades and with dlssfix #1413548071987576862

[tame raft]

it's the same with no upgrades and with dlssfix

but you're correct, it's has something to do with dlss, once I enable it the game bugs out

that bug happens with the upscaler set to off or fxaa too, not just dlss

[placid siren]

can you send the reshade.log?

[dusty girder]

this bug happens in afew games, happens in Remant 2 too

if you turn on DLSS, no issue upgrading

but if the upscaler is off, I think ?bloom? gets upgraded

and the entire screen gets flashbanged

[tame raft]

in the wiki it's listed to just upgrade R10G10B10A2_UNORM for Remnant 2 but that's the first thing I did here

[dusty girder]

yea idk whats wrong, but this is an issue in some games

the fix is to turn on dlss quality

or even dlaa I think

[tame raft]

I quickly tried all presets for dlss with upgrades and dlssfix individually then combined, but unfortunately it's the same, once I turn on dlss the game bugs out in all scenarios

[dusty girder]

you dont want rgb10 upgrades with dlss fix

dlssfix you might not need any upgrades

[placid siren]

i think it's off, from in the log. though i'm wondering if it's the lut upgrades screwing things up. or maybe the pipeline layout stuff

like how dx12 samplers got screwed up in old reshade builds

[tame raft]

this is true, once I added the dlssfix I didn't need any upgrades but I tried it just in case

[tame raft]

is there anything I can try to potentially fix this?

[broken smelt]

Dlaa in remnant 2 causes some serious lightning issues in the port hub area

[tame raft]

were you able to test the enhanced version of little nightmares 2?

[mild hazel]

if you really want to use DLAA in things, try 99.8% scaling instead of 100%

fixes some games

[dusty girder]

no, but I told you the other day if its unreal it will work

worst case scenerio is you'll have to share a lutbuilder and I fix it quickly

[tame raft]

it's just that I'm not sure if it's working properly or not, here for example:

SDR / Default Reno / Saturation Correction 0

[placid siren]

the texture is green, the Unreal tonemapper shifts it to blue

because it overproduces red and blues in shadows, since it's a per-channel tonemapper

[dusty girder]

if the sliders work, that means the shaders for little nightmares 2 are already in the mod

[placid siren]

it's mathematically incorrect, but the look could depend on color errors

[dusty girder]

you jus thave to find a look that works; saturation correction 0 if you want to match sdr

also remember the upgrades

b8g8r8a8_typeless and/or r10g10b10a2_unorm

[tame raft]

I'm using both but I'm not sure if they're affecting anything
I'm also using the copy destinations upgrade since you mentioned it for LN1 enhanced

without upgrades / with the 3 upgrades

[dusty girder]

`so what did you do here

ohh

you need to restart the game

and they're for highlights

without upgrades, highlights will be clamped to game nits

upgrades are what make the game hdr

[tame raft]

I restarted it before taking the screenshots. what tool do you us to show brightness btw?

[dusty girder]

lilium's hdr analsys shaders

https://github.com/EndlesslyFlowering/ReShade_HDR_shaders/releases/tag/2025.08.18

but yea if the contrast/saturation/blowout slider works in game, the mod works perfectly fine for the unreal game you're testing

the only thing left to do is configure the upgrades, and enjoy

[tame raft]

they're working fine, though going back to what ShortFuse said, by default the game was supposed to be green but devs shifted it to blue, so now reno is just working with the incorrect values? hence showing green with saturation correction 100

or am I reading this wrong

[dusty girder]

uhh

how can I explain it

one second

let me gets visuals out

so a game has a raw texture, and a tonemapper takes that and "processes it"

a per channel tonemapper will modify the red, green, and blue channels

while a per luminance tonemapper (reno) will just scale the brightness and stay true to the hue of the source texture

unreal engine's built in tonemapper is a very cursed per-channel tonemapper

one second, getting some visuals out

so this is the game in sdr/vanilla

see how the source is a glow stick, the lines on his armor are blue

thats how the game is "supposed to look"

now if we look at the "raw texture"

we have an opaque blue stick, opaque blue lines

if you where just to stick a per-luminance tonemapper ontop of the raw texture, you'd still have a blue stick

but all the grief unreal engine does makes the blue stick look white [which is what we want, so in a way they get the "right" look through grief]

[placid siren]

the texture itself, it's green. it's rendered green, then they use a per-channel tonemapper to say scale the red channel relative to itself, and green relative to itself, and blue relative to itself. you're supposed to scale relative to white (aka exposure), but ACES/UE doesn't do that

red / green / blue in terms of proportions of white are roughly, 21% 71% 7%.

they did 33% 33% 33%

ends up making hues shift uncontrollably when tonemapping

[dusty girder]

and then the devs crank sliders in all different directions to make up for unreal's grief

[placid siren]

but since that's all UE will give you, they might have needed to make fake colored textures to make it look the color it's supposed to. or they designed the texture the color they wanted in photoshop/editor and got screwed over by UE tonemapper.

some games straight up have to draw flames as pink so they turn yellow thanks to the per channel tonemapper

so it's uncertain why the texture is green. intentional because they knew it'll shift to blue in shadows (but not midtones)? or a mistake in UE rendering since they never wanted it to turn blue

[dusty girder]

the only real way to see what the artistic intent was is through like third party media

that was not rendered in UE

like if theres a colored drawing of a character/scene

here is an official promo image for the game I posted links for above

his sword is whiteish-blue

so the texture being opaque blue was something they had to do to compensate for unreal memes

[tame raft]

wow didn't know UE is this broken in something's that's supposed simple especially given how popular the engine is

[tame raft]

do you then fix UE's tonemapper by setting saturation correction to 0? or is that just a workaround to emulate the vanilla look?

[dusty girder]

well thats something else entierly

ideally saturation correction would give you a better image, but some games have textures griefed too hard so you gotta turn it off

[mortal birch]

Wonder why little nightmares 3 looks better for me

That way ?

[dusty girder]

[mortal birch]

bcoz i dont know whitch one it is xD

the one outputting

is that bad ?

[dusty girder]

well not reccomended at all

ideally you find the one or two you need and thats it

but if nothing is broken, fuck it enjoy

[mortal birch]

That's vanilla

Look at the light wtf ?

Light it supposed to be white, why is orange in this game ?

[tame raft]

LN1/2 Enhanced and LN3 are all the same in that you need to set saturation correction to 0, otherwise the colors will look wrong

[tame raft]

also enable the copy destinations upgrade

[mortal birch]

Ups

Pff well is activate but I don't see changes

Swap chain compatibility should be off ?

And in hdr 10?

[tame raft]

if you want the closest output to the SDR image, your settings should look like this

[mortal birch]

I don't know what should I do

I'm just teying to add

Hdr to the game -_-

By doing that I am able to see

Now if that is hdr I don't know XD

I'm just using my eyes but I think that making the light white is better than making it orange

[tame raft]

follow these settings and see if you find it better

you can use preset #2 and then compare between the two

[mortal birch]

I did

For me it looks better in the last picture why ? I don't know

Maybe high lights can be turn down to 70

But

For me it looks less saturated

And cleaner

The thing is that makes like the white text like blueish

But I don't mind I think

Now which one ? I don't know in the picture is no that bright but I my monitor looka better , why ? Idk

If someone wanna try my settings

[wicked parrot]

Hi! One question, I've seen on the game list on the RenoDX github that some games on the Notes say "Might need gamut clamping". What does that mean?

[wicked parrot]

@dusty girder In the Reanimal demo it's the same as Little Nightmares Enhanced. Can you do your magic please? 😂

[dusty girder]

@wicked parrot sorry I grief napped and woke up at like almost 3am

I'll do it tomorrow unless somebody else gets to it

[tall wedge]

would anyone be interested in the LUT builders i found in Frostpunk 2?

[wicked parrot]

Don't worry I'm still playing Little Nightmares 3 😂 thanks!

BTW Do you know why is happening this in LN3?

SDR / RenoDX

I tried to change all the sliders but I can't get rid of that green tint on chapter 2

[peak galleon]

Little Nightmares (1) Enhanced Edition

[placid siren]

Saturation Correction

sdr colors are broken, but game is shipped like that

[peak galleon]

had to disable that in ln1 enhanced too btw to keep correct color, was desaturated at 100

[wicked parrot]

i already set that slider to 0 but it's the same

I am not at home right now, tonight I will upload more screenshots with the settings visible

[wicked parrot]

SDR / RenoDX Saturation Correction 0 / RenoDX Saturation Correction 100

[wicked parrot]

On the Main Menu it matches SDR as long as I set "Saturation Correction" to 0, otherwise is desaturated. The same occurs in Chapter 1 or at least I didn't notice anything weird. But in Chapter 2 it has this ugly green tint and I can't get rid of it no matter what I change on the sliders. I'm still on Chapter 2, so I don't know if it happens on the next chapters.

[placid siren]

Does the saturation slider work at all? Might be a missing shader

[wicked parrot]

Yes, it works

It works but in some scenes it seems to do nothing

[placid siren]

Then it's not working as it should and missing shaders

Probably the same issue with Saturation Correction.

The pinned posts says how to dump missing shaders

[wicked parrot]

You mean this right?

[green vessel]

Hi. I’m using the mod for Aliens Dark Descent. To use the mod,
do I need to enable game hdr using engine.ini tweaks (since there is no in game hdr toggle)?
Reason I ask is if I don’t enable hdr in engine.ini and just use reno, lilian’s hdr analysis doesn’t pick up that game has hdr. And the reno sliders don’t work either. Is that the expected behavior?

[dusty girder]

.

[dusty girder]

.

<@&1408438132722110687> can one of you guys please handle those lutbuilders for me please; I've been dealing with stuff irl recently

[covert python]

uhh I haven't messed with lut builders before
-# felt bad that nobody responded

[regal kayak]

I’m busy with other mods atm

[regal kayak]

If you want to learn it, it’s pretty straight forward. It’s actually basically just ctrl + f and copy paste.

[covert python]

don't you have a guide on it too?
working on other stuff rn but if we need another lut builder person long term I can learn it

[coarse axle]

I'd like to learn it as well

Going to have to mess with lutbuilders eventually

[swift plover]

https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1408905465697669271

oh its sm5

still should be fairly easy

just look at the other sm5 lutbuilders and paste in the functions where they paste them in in the other ones

[regal kayak]

That was to try to get people to give us game names + upgrades for integration into the mod so things just work.

[covert python]

oh lol

[untold wadi]

They're already in the repo

[dusty girder]

oh pog ty

[tame raft]

this can be used across all UE games, right?

[wicked parrot]

Thank you so much 😄

[wicked parrot]

These three were added too?

[untold wadi]

They were already included

[untold wadi]

Yes

[wicked parrot]

Thank you

[tame raft]

great, thanks!

[tame raft]

do you still see that green tint in chapter 2? I'm not that far yet

[wicked parrot]

I've already finished the game in SDR but let me check

Yes, it's still the same

Sliders work but I cannot get rid of that tint no matter what I do with them 😕

[vital geyser]

I was thinking about seeing if I could fill some of that in and if I do that where should I post it?

[regal kayak]

could just put it in a text file and post in here, just ping me when you do (or maybe marat).

[dusty girder]

I feel like if we had a CSV

that could easily be automated to a addon.cpp format

[delicate ferry]

for anyone playing Little Nightmares 3 with UE renodx mod is it normal that the peak brightness barely goes above 203?

[peak galleon]

no that means shaders are required to be dumped and shared, normally

[tame raft]

according to Ritsu, they're already included

[peak galleon]

it could be correct then, i remember 2 not getting that bright

[shell igloo]

might just need 1 or 2 upgrades

[delicate ferry]

Both Little Nightmares 1 enhanced and the Reanimal demo work perfectly, but LN3 is extremely dim

[peak galleon]

Keeper (black screen on launch so Upgrade R10G10B10A2_UNORM → output size)

[sturdy lagoon]

Didn’t keeper also have some native hdr?

[peak galleon]

yes

[sturdy lagoon]

Does that look worse than upgrading it ?

[peak galleon]

dont know

but the hdr options are weird anyway so its probably broken

[sturdy lagoon]

Could be interesting, native needs tonemapper tho because it hits 10k nits

[peak galleon]

played like 5s of the game, no idea if there are more

[sturdy lagoon]

300 nits paperwhite and UI stock

[peak galleon]

dno about that gamma either

[sturdy lagoon]

Also 1.8 Gamma lol what

Okay upgrading might be better

[peak galleon]

pretty sure the graphics option dont apply until reboot too seems pretty borked

[vale ledge]

anyone know why this is happening in ninja gaiden 2 black? originally was launching with a black screen but changed R10G10B10A2_UNORM to output size now the main menus different and gameplay is just a black screen with the hud

this what the gameplay looks like

[regal kayak]

@thick belfry idk what happened exactly but ninja gaiden 2 black works with the unreal addon now with just rgb10_unorm upgrades

[regal kayak]

also I can get snapshots for the game, perhaps a related occurence. I'd guess new reshade fixed it?

I'm probably happy enough with the unreal addon for that game lol

[vale ledge]

so it works for you with just the upgrade enabled? wonder why mines acting weird

are you using the latest snapshot of the add on?

[regal kayak]

Yes, with up to date reshade. Make sure hdr is disabled in game too.

[regal kayak]

LMAO sorry I actually didn’t even see this post when I posted my message. I wonder what the problem is….

[vale ledge]

yeah i had hdr disabled already so its not that

[regal kayak]

Latest reshade?

[vale ledge]

it's definitely the unreal addon since just reshade on the game works fine

yeah 6.6.1 with add on support

[regal kayak]

Tomorrow I can post the addon I compiled, though I have no clue why it would have a different result.

I also have the devkit on the game, I don’t know if there’s any sort of interaction that might be making that work.

[vale ledge]

alright sounds good, do you know if there's a place with previous snapshots of the unreal add on so i can see if older versions work, or would there not be any difference?

[regal kayak]

Shouldn’t be any difference, and besides the addon I compiled is up to date on commits and it’s working for me.

I do have a change to the unreal addon in there but it would have no impact on this game

[vale ledge]

hmm weird

ima keep looking and see if i can find a fix, thanks for trying to help tho!

[calm slate]

Does the UE renodx have issues with nvidia smooth motion. Someone I know is trying to use it with Sonic Racing Crossroads and ultra wide mod. There seems to be constant flickering with smooth motion enabled. If he turns it off the mod works fine even with an ultra wide mode.

I saw Jon mentioned a setting #1411800884303626311 message but I do not think it impacts his game.

[regal kayak]

Any luck?

[vital geyser]

Sounds like it is similar to the DLSS FG problem we had earlier when upgrading from SDR to HDR

[calm slate]

Possibly The game is capped at 60 frames so that is why he is using smooth motion. What was the solution to the FG issue?

[regal kayak]

I have no clue why my addon would be special but just in case, this was working with ninja gaiden 2 black for me 🤷

[vale ledge]

yeah same stuff happens with that one

[regal kayak]

Maybe try loading the devkit with it too, that’s the only other thing I did

https://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-devkit.addon64

I have no clue why this would work, but if you did the rgb10 unorm upgrade and are on latest reshade that’s all I can think to try.

[placid siren]

Dlssfix?

[tranquil lava]

btw bloodlines 2 is out, gonna check if anything is clamped, etc, coz blacks seem to be okay and highlights as well, renodx-unreal dumped 2 lutbuilders

30 mins in game so far

UE 5.3.2.0

okay, ui brightness is not tied to game brightness, that's a good sign 😄

[tranquil lava]

btw if there's no _new suffix, does that mean they are already included?
also there's no native hdr in-game just in case
okay, it's all unclamped 😄

[lusty laurel]

For me FPS absolutely tanks when using RenoDX so far. Not sure if anybody else has experienced that.

With Bloodlines 2, forgot to say.

[regal kayak]

yeah if there's no new, then it was already in there

perhaps we need a prefix to make it very clear that the lutbuilders are already in the mod @placid siren. People ask all the time. It's implied by new ones saying new, but might as well be explicit imo.

[tranquil lava]

tbh I remembered the suffix talk, but haven't dumped any new ones for a long time, so wasn't sure, but your suggestion would definitely solve the problem
lutbuilder_already_in/included, lutbuilder_new, or something like that 😄

thanks for clearing that out and sorry for being a 1000 person asking about it

[regal kayak]

it's nbd lol. Just points to a flaw with the system.

[tranquil lava]

it does, but it would still be fine if not totally messed up cinematics (real time rendered ones) with dlssg-to-fsr3, couldn't find a way to make it work, a simple cvar which disables fg in cinematics would do as this game isn't so performance heavy, relatively, but couldn't find one 🙁
gonna try engine ini hdr + reshade to fix the gamma, until somebody comes up with a better solution 😄

also, dlss + forced fsr fg (allegedly 3.1) results in crazy highlight flickering ;/

[regal kayak]

oh yeah, not using dlssfix

[wicked parrot]

Hi guys, I'm trying the Demo of "One way home" which is a UE5 game and RenoDX doesn't work. Game brightness Slider doesn't work and UI brightness changes game brightness. However, the dumped luts don't have "new" in the title so they should be already compiled.

Does someone know why this could be happening? Thanks

[wicked parrot]

Ok after some testing, sliders are working (not in real time bc ue5) and HDR is definitely working, but for some reason, UI Brightness slider is affecting peak brightness and game brightness...

[fading belfry]

Has anyone tried this with ninja gaiden 4 to see if it improves the original hdr?

[delicate ferry]

Lutbuilders for Little Nightmares 3,since the peak brightness does not work and it barely goes above 203 nits, even scenes with intense light sources.

[peak galleon]

i think if they dont have _new in them, they're already included... you probably need upgrades

[peak galleon]

it doesn't use UE4 or UE5

[fading belfry]

oops my bad lol

i was 100% sure it was ue5 lol

[delicate ferry]

I used these upgrades. Also tried with all the upgrades but the result was always the same.

[peak galleon]

dont know what to tell you but pretty sure the info is accurate, wait for shortfuse or someone to comment i guess

[mortal birch]

is someone else getting a crash over bloodlines 2 using renodx ue i tried with the dev version and the ue engine one and both cause the game to crash after playing few seconds

@placid siren

[fading belfry]

Bloodlines 2 crashed once for me after loading but i'm not sure if it was bc of renodx or just the game being fucked, it's working fine now

ui brightness slider seems to affect general brightness also, it's the only slider that changes in real time

[sullen spoke]

i've been using reno for 15 hours without a crash

[sullen spoke]

i've had to set the sliders and then fully restart the game for them to take effect

[fading belfry]

i think going back to the main menu was enough for me

[mortal birch]

Disable Nvidia dlss in game

Ia what causing the issue

Also the game crashes when enabling frame generation with Fullscreen
In borderless frame generation doesn't work
Enabling AMD makes things worst

At least in 5090 series
I read that 4000 series don't issues ?

I noticed it that the sliders aren't working in realtime

But adding Reno to the game makes color to show

[fading belfry]

That seems to be common with ue5 games

[olive belfry]

It looks like Engine.ini HDR works too. Perhaps the game will run more stable this way

[olive belfry]

It's the same without Reno, but at least the other crashes are gone

https://steamcommunity.com/app/532790/discussions/0/560260478993122381/

So it works more stable without Reno, but DLSS FG crashes in any case or simply does not work if it is borderless mode, but you can use DLSS itself if it is Engine.ini HDR

[dense stratus]

Dispatch does not seem to work at all, no matter the upgrades or configs :(

[mortal birch]

Ok so enabling smooth?

[mortal birch]

Fun y thing is that painkiller qlso crashes but not so often

Fucking ue5 engine games

Is fucking everything up that game engine

And Painkiller don't even have dlsss XD

[mortal birch]

For me is the same all you must do is disabled dlss in game

Qns hiat okay the game without it and it won't crash

But anyways the game have serious performance issues without dlss I'm getting 100 fps on native

2k

Keep in mind Im under a 5090 and 9950x3d

[olive belfry]

The Smooth Motion feature causes significant UI ghosting in this game, even with HDR disabled

[mortal birch]

The UI glitching is old

It comes since lossless

Maybe that could be a work around using lossless scaling

But for sure it will mess with reno

[olive belfry]

Isn't Painkiller UE4?

[mortal birch]

No , ue5

It works well but I haved my first crash after 3 days of playing it

So smooth motion is frame generation BASED on driver.

The same as AMD does

[olive belfry]

But I play Bloodlines 2 with Engine.ini HDR, not Reno. So I can use DLSS as is without crashes. But without the framegen, no one can use it there

[mortal birch]

Oh you forced hdr

Meh I rather choose teno that in game HDR

[olive belfry]

It looks the same in this game. You just can't adjust it

[mortal birch]

-_-

[vivid rune]

Did someone tried this one at Tormented Souls 2 ?

[dusty girder]

I love how we're getting a lot less new lutbuilders, it seems we covered a lot of the generic one both sm5 and 6

if we find new ones its usually compute shaders which are rare or slightly custom stuff

[polar crest]

Marat the goat

[rustic lichen]

New LUT file for Dispatch 🙂

[regal kayak]

[untold wadi]

This is custom, it has no tonemapping code at all (PQ Decode -> display map)
@placid siren Not sure if we should add it to generic UE

[regal kayak]

is it a native HDR lutbuilder?

[rustic lichen]

Not sure if this helps with that, but something weird I noticed with Dispatch. It looks like forcing HDR in the Engine.ini file half works. I didn't think it was working at first but then I noticed all of Lilium's shaders said the game was in HDR. So I activated the Inverse Tone Mapper out of curiosity and it pretty much worked without issue. It didn't obey the peak brightness setting so then I applied a tone mapper as well and that seemed to do the trick.

I compared it to what Special K's HDR Retrofit showed and the waveform was identical. So odd. (well both are ITM so looking the same I guess isn't that surprisingly but being able to use ITM with just the ini tweak is)

[untold wadi]

Might be. It has the HDR displaymap code

[regal kayak]

@rustic lichen did that lutbuilder dump after you tried ini hdr?

[rustic lichen]

tbh I think it somehow pulled my Engine.ini from the demo. I tried the HDR thing after I sent that file

because when I checked the date of the Engine.ini file it was from September

didn't mean for you guys to go on a wild goose chase 😅

[mortal birch]

awesome game, sadly short 🙁

doom was too fast for me, this game was cool

[olive belfry]

Well, with Reno's default settings, not all glowing objects were bright enough there. Maybe with settings like these, it really will be better

[peak galleon]

it's not a game, it's 2560x1440 30 FPS webm video files

the only game part is the strategy bit or hacking bit

[near lance]

It's working

[mortal birch]

The thing Is I'm not sble to do that

[mortal birch]

basically im just doing for what my eyes looks better

but there is no actual guide in how hdr should look like xD

[olive belfry]

When RenoDX: UE works, sometimes it's all good, and sometimes half of the objects are not bright enough and it's 50/50

[rustic lichen]

semantics

[topaz wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/leobylaw-stan-twitter-gif-6311025842743754621

[regal kayak]

from Keep Digging

[mild hazel]

dumped outer worlds 2, default HDR is pretty washed out

[regal kayak]

@placid siren I think we need per channel display mapping in this. Here's a comparison (also set the defines for the new tonemapping and neutralsdr tonemapping)

SDR | Reno Defaults | Blowout restoration 70 with per channel scaling

trying to emulate with blowout (basically what I was doing with the mod before actually)

per channel display map looks more natural

another round, same order

and again

and last one

tbh I'd say that mod defaults should basically be 70 blowout restoration with per channel display mapping. Should also separate out slider behavior from tonemapper behavior I think

[regal kayak]

I lied, one more, cause in this case it's the only option that doesn't look flat out wrong to me

[untold wadi]

Can you share the code? Not sure what per channel display mapping means

[regal kayak]

Just setting scaling to per channel instead of luminance in this case.

Just gotta add the slider

Though that makes grading sliders per channel too.

[tame raft]

did you just add this line to the Engine.ini file?

r.HDR.EnableHDROutput=True

[golden vigil]

how can you tune the brightness/contrast using this method? its very dark....

[olive belfry]

I don't know. Oh yeah, it's really dark in there. Can't see a damn thing

[placid siren]

Check south of midnight start startup if you have it. Per channel red smears and blows out to white aggressively

[golden vigil]

fixed it - here are the settings i used for my LG C2 OLED

r.HDR.EnableHDROutput=1 ; try to enable HDR output
r.HDR.Display.ColorGamut=2 ; 2 = Rec2020, 1 = DCI-P3, adjust if colors look off
r.HDR.Display.MaxLuminance=800 ; match your panel’s peak brightness
r.HDR.Display.MidLuminance=50
r.HDR.Display.MinLuminanceLog10=-3.3

[peak galleon]

it's true

[runic musk]

Hello !

i have install Reno for "RV There Yet"
But is not functionnal

its only "UI brightness" works

[fossil thistle]

Hi! I don't really know my way around the dc server, so figured I'd ask here. Is there anywhere one can place requests for specific games? I'm thinking about ninja gaiden 4.

[shell igloo]

ng4 isn't unreal
and its hdr is fine except the gamma mismatch, which is fixable with reshade: https://github.com/KoKlusz/HDR-Gaming-Database/discussions/71

[fossil thistle]

tysm i'll check it out! 👍 for the future, where is the right place to ask these kind of questions?

[fossil thistle]

fixed the black floors, looks great. ty!

[olive belfry]

https://discord.com/channels/1161035767917850784/1360759969879818561

[thick belfry]

It's not a team ninja game either

[rustic lichen]

[SystemSettings] r.AllowHDR=1 r.HDR.EnableHDROutput=1 r.HDR.Display.OutputDevice=5 r.HDR.Display.ColorGamut=2

it looked like it pulled my peak brightness on it's own though, I think some of the settings autopopulated

[regal kayak]

I’ll give it a download while I still have game pass lol

[regal kayak]

same order as before

[regal kayak]

tbf, I actually do think defaults look good here, but so many things look obviously wrong in so many games that I don't think it's a good baseline

[regal kayak]

like this is just really ugly imo

[dusty girder]

its all based on the texture

if the game doesnt use an sdr lut or crazy custom sliders/cbuffers

you can enable sdr grading bypass and renodrt with 808080 will match more or less

and that means per-ch correction will work

but games where thats the case is rare

[regal kayak]

that game I was using as an example doesn't use LUTs

unreal HDR worked well with it before we had the generic addon

[tame raft]

did you add any upgrades too btw? like B8G8R8A8

[placid siren]

Also would need to check with Romancing Saga 2 which looks nothing like ACES

[rustic lichen]

nope. I ended up just using Special K btw. Wanted an easier way of playing the game without using HDR (if I decided not to use it)

All of the HDR Retrofit works for it except for the top 8-bit one

[tame raft]

do you see any advantages for playing the game without HDR?

[rustic lichen]

like V-Sync said, it's mostly just video files. Except for the minigame sections. So either way you're just inverse tone mapping those for the most part. That probably explains why turning on HDR in Engine.ini still requires the ITM shader

and with ITM it pretty much comes down to how much you like the look vs SDR

[tame raft]

how do you activate ITM? I looked through all of its mentions here and over the github page but I couldn't find any info on that

[rustic lichen]

let's take this over to #🆘helpdesk (getting out of the range of the Unreal Engine discussion)

[olive belfry]

HDR in South of Midnight is too bright, and nothing can be done about it. And with RenoDX: UE it looks different, closer to an SDR style, so I didn't use it in this game anyway

[fervent lodge]

Hey everyone, I discovered another issue with Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds. Been playing the game just fine for weeks until I had friends over yesterday. Two player split-screen is fine, but as soon as there's three or four people, the game is clamped again. I've not had any luck with upgrades for making HDR work with 3+ player split screen. Might someone take another look at the game, please? I'd appreciate it a lot

[peak galleon]

no fun allowed

[placid siren]

yeah, this is in the threshold of Blowout. the problem with per channel is you get hue shifts, but you're looking at it to just blowout to white, but would bork the colors in Romancing Saga's flames. basically need some regular Blowout, so it blowouts out to yellowish white, not pinkish white.

[mild hazel]

I think I got reno working for outer worlds 2?

made these, compiled the addon and it all seems to work

I am getting very dark shadows though

shadows 50, 91, and 100

putting shadows at 90 seems insane

perhaps I messed up one of the shader edits

[mild hazel]

all the sliders seem to work though so

[swift plover]

Maybe try gamma correction off

[mild hazel]

that does help I think, off vs on

[swift plover]

Re4 looks super crushed when emulating 2.2 gamma

So I just made the recommended settings have flare and lowered shadows

[pastel sand]

Ey people. One thing... Is the generic version pinner here different form the repo one? If I use latest from repo from october, this game I'm trying gets capped at 200 nits but was working with the one pinned here.

[pastel sand]

Relaunched and working fine now. Wa probable just the first boot after updating.

[mild hazel]

I made a pull request for outer worlds 2 but here is the add on in the meantime

Support for Outer Worlds 2

• R10G10B10A2_UNORM -> output size
• DLSS Fix required if you want to use DLSS FG (seems to be working)
• Gamma correction -> off
• Flare -> ~25
• Suggest increasing highlights, slightly increase contrast, increasing saturation

[dusty girder]

@mild hazel

  float _1089 = ((mad(-0.06537103652954102f, _1073, mad(1.451815478503704e-06f, _1072, (_1071 * 1.065374732017517f))) - _1071) * BlueCorrection) + _1071;
  float _1090 = ((mad(-0.20366770029067993f, _1073, mad(1.2036634683609009f, _1072, (_1071 * -2.57161445915699e-07f))) - _1072) * BlueCorrection) + _1072;
  float _1091 = ((mad(0.9999996423721313f, _1073, mad(2.0954757928848267e-08f, _1072, (_1071 * 1.862645149230957e-08f))) - _1073) * BlueCorrection) + _1073;
  
  SetTonemappedAP1(_1071, _1072, _1073);

in 0x00251

it shuold be 1089 1090 1091

unless you intentionally skipped blue correct

[lusty laurel]

Praise Auntie.

[dusty girder]

also you dont need outputdevice in the output

its on the new lutbuilder that doesnt have the same output devices

you can leave that field empty

just send the float3

0x1E has the same issue, should be 3 floats down

[mild hazel]

thanks will correct it

[dusty girder]

maybe output device is gud, since I think the cbuffer is correct just unused

[regal kayak]

Do you know what slider values should properly emulate it?

[mild hazel]

yeah I was confused by that missing referencing some of the others

[dusty girder]

if you look at an older lutbuilder it makes sense one sec

[mild hazel]

right I manually added OutputDevice

[dusty girder]

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/08767a728298b129e17a9424273e7be72dc1d352/src/games/unrealengine/lutbuilders/sm6/lutbuilder_0x9C812EE8.ps_6_6.hlsl#L283

[mild hazel]

it wasn't there by default

[dusty girder]

yea 5.3+ dont have that branch anymore

[mild hazel]

so

  float _837 = ((mad(-0.20366770029067993f, _820, mad(1.2036634683609009f, _819, (_818 * -2.57161445915699e-07f))) - _819) * BlueCorrection) + _819;
  float _838 = ((mad(0.9999996423721313f, _820, mad(2.0954757928848267e-08f, _819, (_818 * 1.862645149230957e-08f))) - _820) * BlueCorrection) + _820;

  SetTonemappedAP1(_836, _837, _838);```

is correct

[dusty girder]

yea

maybe keeping outputdevice isnt an issue, maybe it still returns the same value as the old versions

[mild hazel]

I just kind of assumed it would still be in c040.w

[dusty girder]

its used for the old inihdr,

[mild hazel]

oh ok

[dusty girder]

remember where you'd set certain output devices

[mild hazel]

yep

[dusty girder]

0 = sdr srgb, 3/4 = hdr10, 5/6 = scRGB

we keep track of the outputdevice value for minimal ini hdr support

as long as its not sending fake news numbrs, it wont break the plugin

[mild hazel]

it does not appear to break it

[dusty girder]

5.3+ replaced the outputdevice branch which isSRGB

where it either srgb encodes or does nothing

[dusty girder]

guess its fine to leave it in then

[placid siren]

Blowout is just something I made up. Custom saturation like in GT7 or ACES2 might be closer to what you want. Like per channel chrominance on top of neutral color. Pretty sure there's something in the repo. @swift plover 's 2.2 thing is probably exactly that

[mild hazel]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/pull/430/commits/688c9eb892c4672a6627e1bff6814f0d885d0bca

[dusty girder]

reading

yea looks good

[mild hazel]

cool thanks for the review

[dusty girder]

np, thanks for adding it

[mild hazel]

figured if I want to use reno then I can just try doing it lol

[dusty girder]

fixing unreal lutbuilders is very simple, so its nice when people contribute

[mild hazel]

yeah seems quite simple

helpful for me to know how to do too

most of my users use reno and I have like 40 games supported

[dusty girder]

yea all sm6 lutbuilders are the same

I didnt make a guide for SM5 yet, but if you look at any sm5 lutbuilder its moer or less the same thing

except you use tonemappedbt709 in 2 places instead of tonemappedap1

assuming the game isnt doing anything funky like that one game in ancient america with the white dude and black lady ghost

fuck what was the name

I remember fixing it for people, but dont remember the name

banishers!

[mild hazel]

I tried looking at banishers briefly and it seemed weird

btw question

r.Streamline.TagUIColorAlpha

seems to be hit or miss depending on game

[dusty girder]

yea so 5.2+ doesnt need it anymore

[mild hazel]

but now with reno and dlssfix seems to prefer on

[dusty girder]

if you run the sdr path (renodx unreal engine) you dont need it

[mild hazel]

turning it off fixes native

but required on for reno

[dusty girder]

ohh off

I thought on

I remember a bunch of games, native hdr (or auto hdr) you needed to turn it on

or else the UI ghosted like crazy

[mild hazel]

its on by default most of the time

I usually always turn it off to fix native

[dusty girder]

wait no off

yea I had a lua script to turn it off in ue4ss

I didnt touch it in so long I forgot about it

[mild hazel]

but installed reno and then UI ghosting was back

[dusty girder]

because things more or less just worked

if its a custom mod, it probably has ui blending fixed inside of the shader itself

that blends ui and game

[regal kayak]

Hmmmm that doesn’t sound like something we can really do with tonemappass

[dusty girder]

I'm with jon here

default per-ch correction is griefed

[dusty girder]

nobody said the unreal mod has to be tonemappass

you can just use the UntonemappedGraded function

and then just do anything you want with the color

[mild hazel]

btw here is the fixed version for outer worlds 2

[regal kayak]

Tbh I’m thinking per channel corrections is actually a pretty cool tool, I just think we need better blowout tools.

Per channel tonemap is a quick and easy solution with its own issues

[dusty girder]

it is, the settings out the box are whats griefed

[dusty girder]

yea

[regal kayak]

With all the right tools in place, it seems to me like tonemappass could genuinely become all you really need

[dusty girder]

yea I do that in SMT5

but I also got rid of reno per-ch correction

and just did dice 2.f shoulder 50

after untonemapped ap1

[regal kayak]

Yeah, maybe my original suggestion of revisiting how blowout restoration works is the right track

[placid siren]

I'm working on a perceptual slider once I figure out LMS properly

[proud patio]

honestly, the outer worlds 2 looks to me like it does have a gamma mismatch - maybe they messed with the HDR in some way? The menu has that black vignette effect, and in SDR 2.2 it's completely black, but in HDR (without gamma correction) it's gray. And overall, the black levels feel raised, it crushes the shadows in some spots when gamma correction is applied though

[swift plover]

You could use the hue and chrominance function to use luminance tonemapping and take some of the hue and chrominance from channel

you can use this to take per channel blowout and hue shifting from another color

[vocal nova]

are there many known big/relevant UE games that actually modified the LUT builders?

or do they just mostly have different hashes because of compiler differences and minor UE version changes?

[swift plover]

jedi survivor

they added ARRI LUTs

[vocal nova]

is it like FF7? pre-baked tonemap LUT?

[swift plover]

no they added ARRI LUTs before ACES

where the color correction is in UE

[gaunt quest]

ive just given this a go and i think theres some shaders missing, i saw you sent 2 and ive found 2 more, i found that inside some buildings its flipping back to SDR
here's the 2 others ive dumped

[mild hazel]

only one of those is unaccounted for but ill add it

seems like dlss fix might be causing infrequent crashes, not sure

[proud patio]

I think this is just how the game looks in SDR

[mild hazel]

pretty sure i compared in SDR and its not really like that, but turning off gamma correction "fixed" it

[proud patio]

I tested it a bit, and it turns out the game in its default look in SDR also crushes shadows in a lot of spots

[mild hazel]

yes but not more or less everywhere like it was with gamma correction on

[proud patio]

wait maybe you're right nvm my screenshot is wrong, I will upload comparison in a minute

[proud patio]

Windows SDR 203/RenoDX UE 2.2 203

@mild hazel it looks exactly the same. I think the game just crushes shadows, and this is how it was graded. I guess the better approach is to apply gamma correction and then maybe work from there to fix the shadows?

Here are more comparisons I did. Honestly, it looks correct with gamma correction applied

[mild hazel]

I don't want to play the game with half of my screen black

an overstatement of course, but at night entire trees became black, characters were black, buildings, anything shadowed

everyone complained about it

something wrong if you can turn shadows all the way up in reno and its still barely bright

what exactly that is idk

@placid siren do you have an opinion on what a better solution might be, rn gamma correction off and flare 25 produces a more desirable image to most folks without cranking shadows to 90

[lusty laurel]

Is there any reason why most of the sliders dont work, except for UI Brightness? I've tried going to the Main Menu, reloading a save, changing graphics settings. The usual steps to remedy this.

[mild hazel]

going into the inventory and character tab and back into game works for all the sliders

unless you found another missing shader

[lusty laurel]

I dont have Dump Shaders enabled, I can retry.

[mild hazel]

see if your nits are capped

as well

[placid siren]

Vanilla on 2.2 should identical to unmodded SDR

[proud patio]

it is

[mild hazel]

right, I guess that people have been playing vanilla HDR which is quite different

and isnt overdark but also looks wrong

[proud patio]

my only point is that this is how the game looks in SDR. I agree that it looks wrong with shadows so crushed in many areas, especially at night

[mild hazel]

yeah, fair enough

[placid siren]

vanilla HDR is like 250 nits as well

[lusty laurel]

No "new" lutbuilders were dumped.

[mild hazel]

I guess the real issue is trying to fix the base game issue

we can bandaid it via.... interesting settings but yeah

[mild hazel]

not sure, just loaded into the game and the sliders are working

[lusty laurel]

Hmm.

[mild hazel]

also have a bunch of other folks using it and seems to be working for them

[lusty laurel]

ReShade 6.6.2 and the Steam version?

[mild hazel]

I am using the reno build of reshade atm

[lusty laurel]

Hmm, maybe I'll try that. Guess I'm unlucky otherwise.

[mild hazel]

which I believe you need to use the reno version for DLSS fix to work anyhow

[regal kayak]

@mild hazel if you want to post your edited shaders I can look over it and see if it looks right

[lusty laurel]

There was a 6.6-compatible version ShortFuse released.

[proud patio]

does the Reno build of reshade have any improvements over 6.6.1/6.62?

[regal kayak]

though you could also just use SK to throw SDR in an HDR container with 2.2 correction and see if it looks just as crushed

if so, they just made bad choices. In which case just use sRGB imo

ninja gaiden 4 is also kinda like that

[mild hazel]

have had a lot of users that crashed without the reno version

[lusty laurel]

K I'm going to try the Reno build and see if it helps.

[mild hazel]

https://github.com/lazorr410/renodx/commit/bf36e8906fc7b09c6448f40f73d22da2d76568a5

[regal kayak]

yeah looks good, though you forgot the saturate at the end (which won't affect HDR at all)

[proud patio]

I think there's also some auto-exposure stuff happening in this game. It might not be very strong, but often when you get close to shadows, like for example go under the porch you start to see more detail

[dusty girder]

@mild hazel since the game seems to be using compute shaders, you might need to enable the "upgrade all copy desinations" slider

[fallen drum]

Yeah the autoexposure crushes shadows a bit in sunlight even with vanilla HDR

Not always but it happens

[lusty laurel]

Okay, I must be having a massive skill issue or something.

Using the RenoDX build here: #📝welcome message

Using the latest build of DLSS Fix here: #1413548071987576862 message

Tried going to Inventory and Character screens, Main Menu, loading a save. Nothing makes the other sliders work.

[lusty laurel]

And using #1411800884303626311 message

[mild hazel]

that seems to cause green artifacting in the UI

[dusty girder]

rip

but if the game uncaps without it, you're good

[lusty laurel]

Confused, if a lutbuilder has "new" in its name, it means it's not covered yet, right?

[regal kayak]

yes

[ebon valve]

I am using the reno version of reshade with the addon Lazorr linked. Game is just a black screen on launch. If I remove the addon, it loads fine.

Loads fine with reshade enabled, without the addon.

[lusty laurel]

Upgrade R10G10B10A2_UNORM to Output Size

[ebon valve]

Ah, missed that. Thanks

[regal kayak]

@mild hazel you could add the upgrades that outer worlds 2 needs to the addon automatically

you just check in the log for the game name and there's a section in addon.cpp with entries like this

        {
            "SonicRacingCrossWorlds",
            {
                {"Upgrade_R10G10B10A2_UNORM", UPGRADE_TYPE_OUTPUT_RATIO},
            },
        },```

@placid siren actually, are there any games that would even break with r10g10b10a2_unorm upgrades? Feels like this is common enough that it should be default.

[soft cloud]

unreal

[fading belfry]

you guys are so goated for working on this btw

[split trail]

what are you using to inject reshade?