[SEE NEW THREAD]

[glad mauve]

with crashing

I just cope with the crashes

FG transfomer 2 will be out in spring

alongside MFG 6x and dynamic FG

[echo ridge]

the random menus crashing is so ass

[verbal schooner]

damn they went too far the other way, preset M so sharp the jaggies are back

I just need preset K with fixed volumetrics and no ghosting, not this slop

[coral thorn]

Interesting, the code itself is still in private repos? I can try to build it, if code is on github

[echo ridge]

blud thinks nvidia would ever release their code

[coral thorn]

Why the fuck they need a github page then

[midnight tide]

you're sure ?

[echo ridge]

lmao yes

[midnight tide]

they're waiting for the x6 fg release ?

[echo ridge]

read any news

[echo ridge]

github =/ open source

LOL

[midnight tide]

fuck i was hoping for a better fg model

the one we currently have sucks big time

[grave tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-gif-16311706538314561226

[glad mauve]

yep, .dll size is the same

[midnight tide]

they were doing a before after on their video so I thought...

still waiting for reflex 2 btw, that shit went radio silence real fast

the M preset is kinda good but there's a lot of fuziness around small object like leaves, grass or hair

it's kinda disturbing

[glad mauve]

Yes, Bryan (VP guy) did say FG improved

but it isnt out until Spring

with MFG 6x and dynamic FG

[wet crane]

I guess, but it’s objectively wrong looking, it’s like a relatively bad sharpening filter, and the antialiasing is still bad + the performance cost is huge even on a 5090

[midnight tide]

the L preset is really bad

I like the M more

[wet crane]

L is broken imo

like it cant be this bad

[midnight tide]

I mean it's intended for dlss UP

but even with that I still think it's not working as intended

[wet crane]

yea

[midnight tide]

between preset K and M I dunno

[wet crane]

preset K would be nice but those artifacts and ghosting 😩

I like the sharpness

E/F + OptiScaler sharpening + RR (if needed) is still the best option imo, especially if your GPU is older

[midnight tide]

hot take for recent gpu tbh

I cannot go back to cnn right now

[glad mauve]

All upscaling is shit

[verbal schooner]

back to using RR for wuwa

[glad mauve]

Back to MSAA we gooooo

[midnight tide]

I mean I'm a dlaa guy dont get me wrong

[wet crane]

the temporal stability is unmatched

But yea I would only use CNN with the quality preset

preset K/J is better if you need to run the game at a lower base res

except if the game relies on volumetric effects

like MH Wilds

[midnight tide]

Dlss P of preset K is better than cnn Dlss Q

in most cases

according to HWU

except the volumetric artefacts

ig

[wet crane]

nah but its better than CNN balanced

[midnight tide]

cnn is less stable

[wet crane]

I find cnn quality more stable in motion

especially in darker games

btw preset M is as bad as DLSS 1.0 when it comes to sharpness. We come full circle lol

the problem with sharpness is that if you don’t like it then you are out of luck

you can sharpen a blurry image with good sharpening shaders, but the blurring/desharpen shaders are horrible

[echo ridge]

Nah

Its more like running without taa

Amazing

[midnight tide]

I like sharpness so preset M doesnt bother me much

preset L on the other hand...

[echo ridge]

Dont use L

Only good for ultra performance

M on performance mode

Ppl are too used to how much K smears before

Now M looks too sharp by comparison

[dapper flare]

i want whoever at NVIDIA names the presets fired

[wet crane]

or without AA lol

[echo ridge]

Abcdefglm

[echo ridge]

Yeah i turned down my sharpening that i had to counter taa blur

Looks good

[wet crane]

K is super sharp, and it looks bad in motion, M does not smear, but it causes bad shimmering which is even worse imo

[echo ridge]

You playing with any other sharpening?

Prob need to turn that down or off

[wet crane]

I'm just testing atm

and no

I only use sharpening with CNN

[echo ridge]

Too shimmery for u

Mayb u need to run

A blur filter

Then

Xdd

Id like to see M compared to no AA

[midnight tide]

the amount of ghosting caused by K is way worse than any shimmering i've witnessed on M

for now at least

[wet crane]

I would, but all desharrpening shaders are basically just added motion blur, and it looks horrible

[wet crane]

I agree that the ghosting is bad with K I don't use K for this very reason

but trading ghosting for shimmering is a r/fucktaa thing lol

[midnight tide]

I agree

funny thing is, you cannot get RR in wuwa with preset M for now

there's no equivalent for some reason preset wise

[wet crane]

the latest RR preset is CNN model E afaik

the transformer preset was bad

[midnight tide]

preset E is transformer model for RR not cnn

[wet crane]

I can't remember then

it was CNN -> Transformer -> back to CNN

[midnight tide]

when did it went back to cnn ?

last time I checked it was transformer

a long timea ago tho

[wet crane]

yea I have to re-check too

[lilac crescent]

@vapid pier told me RR E is K and RR D is J

[wet crane]

E and D should be transformer yea

I think what I remember is that D was bad and E was good or something

[midnight tide]

it was probably that

[vapid pier]

yes because J is bad and K is good

[midnight tide]

first time I've tried RR in wuwa it defaulted to preset D and it was horrible

[vapid pier]

RR D = SR J
RR E = SR K

[midnight tide]

there's no equivalent for preset M right now

[vapid pier]

correct

maybe down the line

[lilac crescent]

dark talon my goat

🐐

[wet crane]

in wuwa, preset M with -1 sharpness is acceptable

the performance penalty tho

well compared to CNN

[frozen token]

Preset L just seems to exists to make dlss ultra p and p better.

[frozen token]

If you don't mind the sharpening look

[crystal thistle]

Is there a way to force preset M without overriding? Cause dlssfx cause crash then

[frozen token]

In all the tech peoples videos they can switch between the presets on the fly. I hope they give us that functionality

[frozen token]

It makes ultra p useable for me

Some stuff will look like this tho

[dusty tiger]

That is a developer build that they had for the showfloor demos.

[raven parrot]

game looks amazing on trueblack 1000 display

really showcases how far monitors are behind

:

;\

[verbal schooner]

dev dll is really nice for quick comparison, preset L/M are terrible here compared to K

[midnight tide]

I thought you could just to that with nvidia overlay ?

it does allow you to swap preset in real time if im not mistaken

[verbal schooner]

the overlay simply shows the stats

[midnight tide]

you can compare two presets with it

because it allows you to disable dlss override

just tested it

[hidden nebula]

optiscaler+reshade works? i'm getting crashes or reshade not opening

[midnight tide]

with it disabled I'm on preset K

[hidden nebula]

I managed to enable both optiscaler+reshade but i can't enable fg on game's menu (rtx 30)

[raven parrot]

anyone founda want to make DSR/DLSR work in wuwa

or impossible

[grave tiger]

did you get it from the dev folder?

[verbal schooner]

I used dlss swapper

[grave tiger]

okay

so you downloaded the debug dll?

[verbal schooner]

yes

[drowsy wolf]

u need to set windows resolution to the dld or dsr res

[raven parrot]

yeah game crashes

when i run it

[drowsy wolf]

no idea then mabye ddu

[frozen token]

https://youtu.be/uaHfZpAkER8?si=o2b1KSW5yeGQ_kPM

[wet crane]

no CNN model F/E + OptiScaler comparison that runs 25% faster smh

4.0 is just bad, 4.5 with preset M and -1 sharpening looks okay, but the performance penalty is huge

[midnight tide]

I dont understand the glazing of cnn ngl

[wet crane]

best of both worlds

it's fast, you can control the sharpness, and the temporal stability is superb

M has the potential to be good, but it's significantly more performance heavy

[midnight tide]

The sharpness is nowhere near as good as transformer even with in game tweaks

[wet crane]

maybe? still it's the better option if your GPU is not a 5090/5080/4090

[midnight tide]

But it is faster indeed

[wet crane]

it depends on the game too

[midnight tide]

I think 4k dlss P transformer is on par with cnn dlss Q 4k

[wet crane]

nah anti aliasing quality with CNN Q is leagues better

it's just not as sharp

I mean preset M is sharper than native DLAA

CNN

which is stupid

[midnight tide]

it evens out by adding more sharpness

[midnight tide]

why ?

[wet crane]

because it's artificial sharpening to add non existent detail

I mean it's okay if you like sharpness, but it's still artificial

people increase the sharpness on their TV too

I would ban that setting worldwide lol

[midnight tide]

Transformers add a tons of details with the increased sharpness imo I can definitly see it on armors or clothes

while cnn is just a softness fest on clothes

still better than TAA but idk

I was never playing with 4k dlss P on cnn, now I can

[wet crane]

there can't be more details than what's in the textures

[midnight tide]

I meant they're more visible to the eye

[wet crane]

if you zoom out maybe

my problem is LOD shimmering and sharpness

[midnight tide]

if you don't like sharpness it's understandable you rather get the faster model

[wet crane]

it almost looks like the LOD bias is not correctly set

you can achieve a smiliar sharper/shimmering result on CNN if you force full res textures on distant LOD models

[midnight tide]

do you have an illustration on a specific game ?

[wet crane]

the worst offender was cyberpunk 2077 I think but It's pretty easy to notice in wuwa too, it's not that distracting in wuwa tho

oh I'm going to test it with starfield too

that game is full of high res very high frequency textures

[midnight tide]

I agree it is on a game to game basis, but mostly I find transformer model an overall better choice. Granted, I do like sharpness content a lot

softer image makes me cringe

[wet crane]

@echo ridge I have fallen to the dark side 😩, the kuro tone mapper looks horrible in the new region, I have no idea what they did, maybe it has to do something with the beta HDR stuff, I had to turn down the grading str to 50% too...

[wet crane]

Yea I'm very sensitive to sharpness and shimmering, it's the most immersion breaking thing to me

I always used TAA even when it was genuinely horrible, because the alternative was much worse

I can't stand the MSAA shimmering either

correctly implementet MSAA is good, but that's rare

[midnight tide]

MSAA is just way too taxing

I'd rather play with dlaa

[wet crane]

yea

the main reasons I can't play Elite Dangerous is the shimmering

it has no good AA option

and everything looks horrible in motion

but I have to agree than CNN alone is not good it requires OptiScaler's contrast adaptive and dynamic sharpening

[midnight tide]

I forgot you also mentionned that

[wet crane]

but using OptiScaler is free

not even a 1% performance penalty

[midnight tide]

tbh I'm a plug and play type of guy, and already adding renodx with reshade and lilium stuff is disturbing

waiting for reno to be updated each patch

it can be frustrating for some poeple

[wet crane]

yea well I rarely play games, I like testing/modding more

😄

so I'm the opposite of the "plug and play" type

my 110 hour total MHW palytime:70 hours reno testing 30 hours character creation, 10 hours real gameplay

[midnight tide]

how do you spend 70h testing only reno ?

[wet crane]

ask Jon lol

[midnight tide]

must be pure passion

[wet crane]

we were testing stuff

I spent at least 20 hours at one spot

testing different tone mappers and stuff

it was fun actually, I enjoyed it xD

I spent more than 200 hours (at least) testing reno in wuwa

[midnight tide]

I understand why you said purist now

[wet crane]

hahaha

[midnight tide]

we need people like you tbh

[wet crane]

the perfect 1:1 preset still works but but the new areas is so ass with kuro tonemapper 🙁

[echo ridge]

Lol

[glad mauve]

All will soon accept running grading at 0%

[wet crane]

it looks bad even in SDR

the brightness is all over the place, contrast is weird

[wet crane]

I would rather uninstall the game tbh XD

[mossy rock]

nah you just enjoy the sharpness

[wet crane]

what about the colors? lol

[mossy rock]

the new presets look ass in games with a lot of specular surface

shimmering hell

basically looks like taa off

[wet crane]

yup unfortunately

it almost looks like something is wrong with the LOD bias

[mossy rock]

we have a theory that the model is based on taa off + ssaa image

(and it does look like so)

[dusty tiger]

They're gonna keep improving DLSS models to the point where there are no more artifacts left eventually.

But it will probably have the same performance as Native. XD

[wet crane]

someone from r/fucktaa got into Nvidia lol

[echo ridge]

It is I

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-flash-gif-22702057

[crystal thistle]

The sharpening Is ok, but a lot of shimmering and rt reflections introduced noise with preset M/L

[wet crane]

yeah the shimmering can look very distracting and immersion breaking

[mossy rock]

ya we just made that joke elsewhere lol

[sour sorrel]

Has anyone got ray tracing working on amd GPU? Rx 9070 xt to be precise. Weird colours appear when I enable it

[bleak light]

r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.HardwareRayTracing=0

add this in ur engine.ini

[shy gyro]

omfg

[midnight tide]

I will be skipping Mornye for sure

Kinda sad I wanted her but

The mecha girl is going to be even more broken for sure

[wet crane]

I’m getting both of them

I’m only skipping Luuke

I have like 300 pulls atm and we can still get more

I just need to win one 50/50

😅

It’s kinda weird that she has no physical body tho

She is basically Cartwheel 2.0

I’m not getting Augusta after all

Iuno is enough, she is awesome with Lynae

[midnight tide]

How do you have so much resources jesus

Im barely hanging on here

I lost both 50/50 might be why

[midnight tide]

Ffs how many ults animation does she have ?

Like 5 or 6 thats crazy

[wet crane]

I was lucky I got both Lynae and her weapon in 70 pulls

And I won the 50/50 early with Chisa

[midnight tide]

Not cursing you is really hard rgn

[wet crane]

yea I was very unlucky for like a year

I lost 10-12 50/50 in a row…

[midnight tide]

I will not expose my theory again as it is def not a regular 50/50

[wet crane]

I wanted to get Augusta but she is going to be the next Jihnsi

[wet crane]

yea and the echo substat rolls are rigged to I swear

[midnight tide]

Jinhnsi doesnt feel rewarding enough no matter how much i like her design

[wet crane]

like if you roll crit damage there is a 80% chance that its 12-13%

instead of 18-21

[midnight tide]

Yeah I agree

Kuro need to be transparent on those things

Because right now I cannot believe the value they are showing are accurate

Especially the 50/50

[wet crane]

I agree our sample rate is huge now

[wet crane]

Next level Cartwheel for sure

[midnight tide]

Basically Lynae is her ciaconna ?

[wet crane]

I’m not interested in Sigrika the Director girl and Luuke at all

[midnight tide]

same

easy skip

[wet crane]

I will be able to save for the Cyberpunk colab

[midnight tide]

but I still wanted mornye

[wet crane]

Lynae is basically everyone’s Ciaconna

lol

She is the most broken subdps atm

She makes old teams super viable

[midnight tide]

yeah for sure, but I was wondering if Aemeath is going to get a dedicated support like Cartwheel then

because Luuke is most likely a dps

[wet crane]

I think Morney + Aemeath + Lupa is going to be her bis team

[midnight tide]

Lupa not Lynae ?

interesting

[wet crane]

ot Lynae instead of Lupa

we will see

[midnight tide]

ah ok

I dont see mono fusion be really meta for her

[wet crane]

mono fusion is still strong

so Lupa is going to be viable for sure

maybe not the best not sure

[midnight tide]

It will depends on Aemeath's kit I think

if it's normal attack based, maybe Lynae will be better

I mean rumours say liberation damage based but normal attack can also be buffed

[wet crane]

it’s supposed to be liberation

[sour sorrel]

Thank you so much!

[honest viper]

hi, guys. i use wwmi and reshade. where should i place renodx hdr addon? thank you

[honest viper]

🌹

[tepid pendant]

Hey guys, I've been having an issue where transitions completely don't work for me.

Maybe they just haven't really been checked out for older quests and are only being fixed on newer areas and quests, but was still wondering incase that's not what's happening.

The transitions most of the time either don't work or are somewhat awkward.

I recently started Black Shores questline and there was this part https://youtu.be/kKUV8pSNlb8?si=dDyo5N-UVr_iqjP6&t=858 where Rover wakes up and as he's getting up, it slowly fades into a black screen, in my case, there was nothing the animation of him getting up plays out and then the Rover is there just motionless in awkward position for a second or 2 before it cuts to gameplay.

This happens quite a lot and is a bit weird with transitions.

My settings in case.

(Unrelated note, if someone has a better settings preset for 300 nits display, I would love to see it, also was wondering how do y'all view the HDR PNG images on Discord, in my case they're blacked out, HDR videos don't play either)

[honest viper]

do you use wwmi?

[tepid pendant]

no

[honest viper]

😭

[tepid pendant]

I'm assuming that it'll still go there regardless

you've got nothing to lose by trying it out I guess?

[honest viper]

ok

[wet crane]

If it’s a HDR ready edge lit LCD monitor, then SDR should look better than HDR

[tepid pendant]

Someone else mentioned something similar as well. Its gigabyte gs25f2, I've tried out this specifically for WuWa, and it looks much better with RenoDX despite not being a true HDR monitor aka 300 whole nits.

My issue with WuWa is that it has this weird greyed out filter, colors don't pop, are less vibrant, and everything looks overbrightened.

I've also tried out just basic HDR and SDR in Stellar Blade for comparison, and Stellar Blade also looked better with HDR turned on.

The colors are slightly deeper, and it doesn't look as washed out, I'm not exactly expecting some miracles, but HDR looks somewhat better to me.

Other than the issue I'm having with transitions, surely there's someone else also with similar case to mine, and maybe has a better preset for monitors that can only go as high as 300 nits for WuWa

[dense glacier]

Just alone on default color with RenoDX it was overly bright and seemed washed out on OLED. Follow the steps on this link and set brightness between 0-20. It will help a lot and now looks great. I have it set at 0 on OLED.
https://alteriax.github.io/WuWa-Config-Info/color-settings/

[tepid pendant]

Looks good on my end with RenoDX, I was mostly talking as to how bad it looks as a base game once you discover these tools.

The first few hours I played without any tools, it looked fine to my eyes until I started expirementing

then I noticed just how bad the game looks OOTB

[sour sorrel]

One more question, reflections seem broken too, there's this weird flickering. Any fix for that?

[echo ridge]

You could have just used renodx's built in grading sliders

instead of messing with deprecated color stuff

[echo ridge]

you're better off using renoDX in SDR mode

your monitor really isnt capable of decent hdr

[tepid pendant]

That works?

[echo ridge]

peak/game/ui/whatever brightness set at 80

then you can turn off HDR mode

contrast ratio 1000:1 -> your monitor will reach 300 nits by compromising the lower end of the image

aka dogshit black levels

that looks grey

your video brightness is also set at 1000

jesus fuck

[tepid pendant]

Honestly never noticed.

So what should the video brightness be at for example?

though I never knew that RenoDX works on SDR

I guess I can and maybe still should use it that way for every other game?

[echo ridge]

you can use renodx in sdr by setting all the brightness value sliders to 80

main benefit is if the original's game tonemapper is ass

or if the original game doesn't have a tonemapper at all

then reno is preferrable

[echo ridge]

this is wuthering waves

[bleak light]

No fix for that

[tepid pendant]

So something like this

[echo ridge]

yes

not sure why the 86

you can control click

and type 80 in

[tepid pendant]

TIL

[alpine kestrel]

needs to be scrgb

[echo ridge]

oh yeah that too

[tepid pendant]

scrgb?

[sour sorrel]

RT shadows look okay tho. Have you noticed any artifacts?

[wet crane]

If it looks better to you, then keep using it ofc 🙂 but yea it's an edge lit IPS monitor, it's not "real" HDR

[tepid pendant]

Its such a rabbithole that's so hard to really get a good grasp on. I will make comparisons tomorrow between the HDR preset I had, and the current SDR preset, they're essentially the same, except brightness. Need to get a better conclusion.

[wet crane]

without local dimming, higher brightness and higher panel bit depth, it really is just SDR

[tepid pendant]

To my untrained eyes, I did see difference for Stellar Blade, and liked Stellar Blade with HDR for reasons mentioned above.

[wet crane]

the difference is probably just brightness and maybe the monitor increases the saturation if you turn on HDR or something

[tepid pendant]

Could be.

I honestly feel like I might be overthinking it, and if I feel like it looks better to me, I should just use it and move on.

Not losing out on much if my untrained eyes think that one is better over the other one.

[midnight tide]

@wet crane is there a way to fix fg flickering without using previous model ?

[sturdy cloak]

Allegedly dlssfix. But I never had success using it without crashing every 5 minutes so...

[wet crane]

not sure, I don't use FG in wuwa

[dense glacier]

Yeah you are right. I’ve set it back to original and adjusted in RenoDX.

[echo ridge]

use amd fsr

[frozen token]

Whats the best raytracing setting for this game

[sturdy cloak]

High GI and Reflections. RTshadows are personal preference. I like them but they're not necessary.

[mossy rock]

does the game run like shit with RT now

[glad mauve]

3.0 locations destorys CPU

so anyone not on a 9800X3D dies

If you're on a 9800X3D + FG this doesnt apply to you

[sturdy cloak]

Maybe ? It runs well on my end despite the supped-up engine.ini mod, but I'm running 5800x3d and 4080s. So I might be carried by my hardware.

[sturdy cloak]

Well, that certainly is the case with a cold shader cache at least.

But with shaders compiled, although performance levels are not very impressive, I at least don't find the game to be a stutter fest

[glad mauve]

UE4 tech debt

they need to move over to UE5 and utilise all the new CDPR based CPU improvements

that or they can continue to cope with UE4 backports

[frozen token]

[mossy rock]

never going to happen due to mobile users

UE5 on mobile = no frames

[tepid pendant]

To be fair, the new areas already look bland and dull on mobile, the effort to make the game run on mobile is far beyond what its worth.

[mossy rock]

its worth

most chinese play this game on mobile

even if they have pcs

[tepid pendant]

Last time I played on mobile, I had a reroll account, and it was close to the Cartethiya boss fight, the puzzles leading up to the fight sucked.

Certethiya T posing during her animations

[mossy rock]

this game is going to die instantly if they abandon mobile support

[tepid pendant]

The shadows were blocky and boxy

Half of the shit wasn't looking properly

[tepid pendant]

I'd love to see something that backs this up.

Since even gaming phones struggle to run this game properly, and it already looks like shit on phones.

[mossy rock]

there are chinese websites

they do summary on how much profit those games make

everyday

[tepid pendant]

And how exactly does that lead to statistics that most Chinese people play on phones?

[mossy rock]

no statistics for pc

[tepid pendant]

I'm sorry, but that's the weakest argument you could have chosen.

I can definitely assure you that this game wouldn't die if they abandoned mobile support.

[mossy rock]

lol

[tepid pendant]

People would be outraged, but the benefits far outweight the cons.

[mossy rock]

do you know how much money they get from mobile users

[tepid pendant]

Do you?

[mossy rock]

ya

#1411110125732892807 message

[tepid pendant]

But you're not backing it up

[mossy rock]

Lynae was #14 on day one at app store

[tepid pendant]

That doesn't mean anything, and you know it

[mossy rock]

go check sensortower

[tepid pendant]

Oh sensortower

My beloved sensortower

Let me in on you this one small secrets

The numbers they pull out are based on their moods.

[mossy rock]

the multipliers are

[tepid pendant]

There has been countless times where people directly working on sensortower stuff got their chats leaked where they're deliberately faking numbers.

[mossy rock]

but the ios data is correct

[wet crane]

yea sensortower is a joke

wuwa is probably one of the most popular if not the most popular gacha games atm especially on PC

[tepid pendant]

Hence why the best step is to get rid of the subpar mobile version and move to a better engine.

[echo ridge]

No mobile = no game

[faint monolith]

In China, you can do without a PC, but not a mobile

The new generation can't even install STEAM

[echo ridge]

all they do is twerk spam 6 7 , charge they phon, eat chips and lie

wait i have to adapt this for 2026

[tepid pendant]

Bold of you to assume that the new generation is interested in gacha games and steam in the first place.

The new generation is fully imbedded into the brainrot roblox games.

[echo ridge]

They are into both

[tepid pendant]

They aren't.

[echo ridge]

Proof?

Unless you can provide something beyond anecdotal evidence your word is as good as mine

[tepid pendant]

Hop on ROBLOX and ask kids what gacha games are.

have fun bud.

[echo ridge]

So more anecdotal evidence?

[tepid pendant]

You have millions of children on the platform to make your statistics charts.

[echo ridge]

So you don't have the stats either and just speaking anecdotally?

[glad mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/kids-youre-both-just-awful-family-guy-gif-15168086

[echo ridge]

Go back to slopmodding forge

[glad mauve]

like?

I am helping Skyblimlets add HDR

finally

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

its that VRR flicker in the gif

wtf

[wet crane]

It's the bloom... this is 0 vs 100

70 is not much better

With 25 bloom:

bloom at 50 looks okay too but I have to test more

[echo ridge]

you didn't know?

they changed to a new bloom

if you want to revert to old bloom

r.Kuro.KuroEnableFFTBloom=0

i dont really care so kept it on

[wet crane]

now I know 💀

I dislike the new bloom lol

this was the thing that was bothering me since the release of 3.0

[echo ridge]

Focus M supremacy

look at the glitter on SK's dress

all gone with K

[wet crane]

M is good but the shimmering is bad

it's basically upscaling with anti aliasing turned off

[echo ridge]

nah

pretty much dont notice any issue

[wet crane]

it's okayish in wuwa

[echo ridge]

after I turned off all my sharpening

[wet crane]

not so much in other games

[echo ridge]

the game actually looks kinda blurry

with M

so I added some back

I also tried preset K with sharpening

[wet crane]

you are just used to super high sharpness probably lol

[echo ridge]

just to see if u can get close to M

but its not really the same

the M's base sharpness is not really artificial

if I do K + RCAS to match M without RCAS

[wet crane]

it's anti aliasing turned off yes

[echo ridge]

then K looks oversharpened

[echo ridge]

nah

we're back

to the

good old

MSAA day

(if MSAA could antialias transparency)

[wet crane]

I don't support the r/fucktaa sentimentally lol

we need better temporal AA

[echo ridge]

i mean i dsont either but I don't see the shimmer problem here

and im playing 4K up close

[wet crane]

go to the observatory and look at the moving orb in the distance

[echo ridge]

u gotta point to me where that is bc i've barely played 3.0

lol

[wet crane]

oh well you have to finish one of the main events for that xD

nvm then

[echo ridge]

i mean

i finished all the main quest

just barely explored the areas around

[wet crane]

did you build all the roads?

[echo ridge]

spacetrek observatory?

[wet crane]

ye

[echo ridge]

what am i looking for here

[wet crane]

the finished observatory 💀

you have to finish the event

[echo ridge]

LOL

[wet crane]

good old death stranding road building minigame

and you have to collect a LOT of materials

[wet crane]

btw who let that homeless man into the spacetrek observatory

[echo ridge]

no idea he's just there one day

[frozen token]

Ya so many little particles im noticing on L/M in several games.

[grave tiger]

reshade 6.7 dropped

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[frozen token]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-67-scp-67-funyuns-funny-gif-75413186200073602

[bleak light]

how

[echo ridge]

Optiscaler

Use the nukem override

Fsr3fg doesnt crash

[bleak light]

fsr3...

damn

[sour sorrel]

If only dlssg input would work like it used to... Kuro broke it a month or two ago?

Maybe swapping streamline file or whatever would make it work, idk I’m not into it that deep

[echo ridge]

Better than dlsssfix crash fest

[echo ridge]

It works

Sounds like a you issue

Remember to update

Streamline -> xefg/fsr3fg has not and will not work with reno unless something changes (works with vanilla without reno otherwise)

Upscaler input will also not work

The only thing that works is

1. nukem dlssg to fsr3fg
2. Downgrade to 3.8.1 fg
3. Dlssfix ( but wonky)

[sour sorrel]

Update what? Reno? Opti?

[sour sorrel]

The game crashes after login screen if I set dlssg as input, no matter what lol. W/o reshade

[echo ridge]

dont know figure it out

[sour sorrel]

Ye I’ve got everything up to date

[echo ridge]

You probably dont

[sour sorrel]

Reshade 6 7

Opti latest nightly build from discord

0.9.0 pre 8

Idk what else

[echo ridge]

Wait

If youre using reno

Why are you bothering to use dlssg inputs anyways

Told you

It doesnt work

Even if you can go in game

Same flickering issue

[sour sorrel]

It doesn’t even let me in, immediate crash

[echo ridge]

Even if it let you in

It doesnt work

Is what im saying

[sour sorrel]

I just want to run amd’s latest frame gen with reno

Whichever way

[sour sorrel]

Ye and you’re right

[echo ridge]

Fsr3fg will also flicker if you use it via steamline input

[sour sorrel]

I mean, nukems is just ass

[echo ridge]

Nukem is just fsr3fg

Frame pacing is fine even on a non vrr display

[sour sorrel]

Yeah it’s the only one that actually works for me

Btw what did you mean by downgrading to 3.8.1 fg, I’m still figuring things out, how to do that?

[echo ridge]

This is for nvidia users only

[sour sorrel]

Ah sucks

As well as dlss fix I presume

[echo ridge]

Yes

Dlssfix fixes flickering for streamline inputs

Which makes transformer fg for nvidia work

This theoretically could work for xefg and fsrfg via sl input too

But dlssfix doesnt work with optiscaler

[sour sorrel]

I managed to run it with optifg-> fsr 4, and while it runs with reno, there’s no visual difference between FG on and off

Btw even vanilla WuWa’s FG doesn’t seem to work for me lmao, no visual difference despite higher reported fps

Idk if it was worth it to switch to amd anymore

[wet crane]

spiwar is using a Frankenstein setup

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-dumbledore-harry-potter-gif-18197889

wuwa running on spiwar's PC:

[sour sorrel]

Tell me more lol

[coral thorn]

Hey guys, so short question: does the renodx hdr in wuwa work right now if i use dlss 4,5 upscaler and nvidia multi frame gen? or does it flicker or whatever?

[glad mauve]

Highlight flicker occurs if you use transformer FG + Reno

and the game in question is doing SDR path upgrades

meaning the game has no native HDR and we have to fully upgrade via reno to enable HDR output

[coral thorn]

hmm so doesnt work right now then. sad

[glad mauve]

The addon works and we have a way around the flicker using DLSS FIX

however DLSS Fix is also in beta and not that stable

e.g randomly CTDs

for UE titles we can use UE native HDR ini pathing

its just that wuwa is a bit special, if Kuro adds native HDR, Wuwano can remake the addon to support it and FG flicker will get fixed

that or we cope that transformer V2 FG fixes it

[coral thorn]

ok thank you for all the info. yea its sad that wuwa doesnt have native hdr support. it would look awful like all the ue4 and 5 hdr implementations though 😄 lets hope there will be good fixes in the future then

[glad mauve]

Well we dont care about their HDR

we just want HDR path for Reno

[coral thorn]

true 😄 it was such an eye opener when i tried my first renodx mod with reshade back then with witcher 3. i was like "OMFG" 😄 so good.

[dusty tiger]

I thought maybe FG+DLSS 4.5 would work with Reno since 4.5 samples post-grading.

[glad mauve]

DLSS isnt the issue

FG is

and FG hasnt been updated yet, NV updated FG .dll to 310.5 just like with RR but the size is still the same

the model still is the same

transformer V2 should be out with MFG 6x and dynamic FG in spring

So we're coping since DLSS made the changes with colour and working off linear that those changes will also apply to FG and solve this flickering issue

[echo ridge]

Frankenstein laptop setup

What was it

Let me search for that

On desktop its just simpler
1080p -> 2160p DLSS 4.5 M, 2160p 60 -> 120fps FSR3FG

[echo ridge]

You can do this yourself

Just do it

Force via ini

And then patch the HDR path

[glad mauve]

Brother what

We can

I thought their .ini was borked

When I tried running it everything was fuked compared to other UEsloppas

Well I am working on other stuff atm so

[wet crane]

@echo ridge those sparkle things are visible with preset E

ugh I need mp4

[echo ridge]

No it was always possible just no one wanted to do it

LOL

[wet crane]

btw

is FSR3FG better than CNN FG?

[echo ridge]

Not really

Its cheaper

Which should let you hit a locked framerate easier

It basically works fine other than your shadows gaining quantum superposition properties

[glad mauve]

**Me waiting for XeMFG to hit the scene **

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-rizz-gif-7498825386517350902

No flicker

No disocclusion

Just WerksTM

[echo ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165308683090137160/1458370012359164035/2026-01-07_01-01-15.mp4?ex=6966a4aa&is=6965532a&hm=561403cf5edb5206fb18beea2b3d39dd2845a287e272f255b96773f94c143026&

[glad mauve]

thats AMDshit

Intel software is better

Bintel sacrified their CPU department to get use better software

[wet crane]

SDR / Vanilla 1:1 Preset / 50% Grading Strength 1:1 preset:

[rustic oriole]

Brooo ty

[sturdy cloak]

Is there a new preset coming ?

[wet crane]

maybe 😄, the new bloom is weird tho

I will switch back to the old one to test the new presets

and I need to test the old regions too 😩

[raven parrot]

is this incorrect shader or just oversaturated raytracing?

[glad mauve]

uhhh

looks like you're forcing AF

which is breaking LUTs

if you set colour grading strength to 0% what happens

[raven parrot]

forcing as in forcing it in nvidia app?

[wet crane]

or through SK

[raven parrot]

oh in control panel i did have it set it 16x

let me restore default

[raven parrot]

yup fixed

[glad mauve]

If I remember it correctly, its some BS on the 5000 series where if a texture doesnt have mipmaps and you now force AF 16x on, it creates those weird red artefacts

LUTs dont have mipmaps

so they cause the artefacts

but not every game has this issue

[raven parrot]

yeah only in wuwa did i see it

ty for helping

[sturdy cloak]

Keep heart my friend ! I will be an eager participant in trying it out, whenever that may be🫡 .

[dapper flare]

damn, got access to aero mornye before kuro even drip marketed her

[tepid pendant]

Can someone by any chance share their preset.

Want to try out different ones that work for other people

[wet crane]

@echo ridge I'm testing FG but it's turning on/off when you open the menu

is there a way to enable FG for everything?

[wet crane]

This is my experimental 50% grading str preset:

[tepid pendant]

Thanks, will try it out tomorrow.

[echo ridge]

no

this is intentional

kuro disables it during menu

[tepid pendant]

I feel as if I'm adjusting the sliders too much.

[echo ridge]

which is what causes the crashes when using DLSSFix in the first place

[wet crane]

they are annoying me intentionally then

[echo ridge]

before the implementation was intentional

if you forced it via ini

it would always enable

rock solid

for official they implemented the stop

if they didn't implement that trash then FG would work 100% solid

GTA V also has FG stop during menus but it doesn't lag or act like complete trash

kuso games can't implement anything properly

[wet crane]

yea it's not bad in-game but that 1 sec pause when I close a menu/ui pop up is really annoying

[midnight tide]

yes it disables itself when you open the wheel for gadgets and shit

just that prevents me from using FG altogether

[sturdy cloak]

So this is why my game crashes with dlssfix whenever I open the utility wheel. This has been giving me headaches for the last four months. Thanks for for the info.

[tepid pendant]

Thanks again for this, slightly adjusted it to my liking, and I finally for once stopped messing with colors today.

[verbal schooner]

doesn't fix FG turning off in menus but adding this to engine.ini does fix the 1s pause

r.Streamline.DLSSG.CheckStatusPerFrame=0```

[midnight tide]

u sure ?

that's by far the most annoying thing

[echo ridge]

wtf im claiming copyright on this

ain't this just hdr look without the highlights

[midnight tide]

he lowered the bloom and the blowout I think

contrast is slightly lowered

exposure is set up to 1.08 for some reason ?

[glad mauve]

we can copyright presets now?

whats next

paid presets

[echo ridge]

yes

[glad mauve]

[echo ridge]

probably he's trying to match SDR exactly

jokes and memes aside

[wet crane]

I am

[wet crane]

You mean compared to spiwar's preset?

[midnight tide]

yes

[echo ridge]

Vanilla / experimental 50% SDR 1:1 / current HDR look

he actually increased the blowout

[midnight tide]

Or Hdr look if ya want

[wet crane]

I think only the grading str and shadow matches

[echo ridge]

blowout to 85 instead of 50

[midnight tide]

saturation too

[wet crane]

I need to check spiwar's preset then lol

[midnight tide]

it's just the "hdr look" setting

[wet crane]

I know lol

[echo ridge]

it changed a bit

current hdr look

60 is my new magic number

[wet crane]

well only grading str matches then

rofl

[echo ridge]

yeah mine and yours still look different looks wise

my shadows went down from 80 -> 75 (versus the earlier hdr look) bc i mean

its hdr look

so more contrast lessgo

[wet crane]

80 matches SDR yea

[echo ridge]

yeah 80 matches sdr

[wet crane]

i'm still not convinced that I want to use v3 shadows tho

58 contrast and 80 shadows matches SDR*

[echo ridge]

mostly*

there are scenes where u switch back and forth in different lighting

[wet crane]

well yea

[echo ridge]

and its still different

yea

[wet crane]

50% grading strength can change the lighting dramatically

and contrast

compared to 100%

100% looks not that great in Laha Roi

[wet crane]

but the new preset looks wrong in the old regions so yea I need to fine tune stuff

[glad mauve]

Have Wuwano code a per region

Hell even give you ToD controls

[wet crane]

Old region SDR / 1:1 Preset

it matches now

SDR / 1:1 Preset / Semi 1:1 50% Grading Preset

@echo ridge yea you are right 1.0 exp and 60 contrast is better

with 50% grading str

your preset looks really nice btw, but it falls apart when you are in combat

every attack animation vfx reaches max peak brightness

it's a kuro problem

[echo ridge]

thats what i wanted btw

else i woulda used V1

lol

those particles gotta BLAST ME

[wet crane]

it looks very out of place imo

almost like auto-hdr

[echo ridge]

imo looks fine to me

but yea

thats why we have two presets

[midnight tide]

you two need to get a room

[wet crane]

I have no idea why carlotta's shooting vfx is like 8k nits untonemapped

while the sun is like 700

lol

[wet crane]

This is as close to 1:1 as possible

[tepid pendant]

Iuno's is arguably worse

[midnight tide]

I agree

[wet crane]

I was not that lucky this time, but I got Morney and her weapon in ~140 pulls

[frozen token]

oof

You cant see it in sdr but the shading on her skin is borked any idea whats causing it?

[wet crane]

dont use blowout restoration slider with hue shift

this is the objectively correct setting:

[frozen token]

Its set to 0

This only happened today when I upgraded to a RTX 5070ti

[wet crane]

then force a shader precompile

[frozen token]

Could be that

[wet crane]

Wuthering Waves\Wuthering Waves Game\Client\Saved delete the PSO folders here

then restart the game

[grave tiger]

you were guaranteed?

[wet crane]

nope

[grave tiger]

thats already lucky then

[wet crane]

yea but I got Lynae and her weapon in less than 70

and she was not guaranteed either

lol

[grave tiger]

yeah but thats extremely lucky

you just got lucky this time

not extremely

[wet crane]

yea I know

I lost 10 50/50 in a row

last year

[grave tiger]

dont get me started on my hsr luck

10+ lost 50/50 in a row

like at this point you just dont want to play the game anymore

[wet crane]

it's gambling and it sucks :/

[grave tiger]

yeah, i would really like if they just make all banners like the weapon banner, they would still make a ton of money anyway, and wont make you quit

[wet crane]

yea it would be nice

[grave tiger]

people say that they do this so you spend more money, but for me its the opposite lol, its insulting and just makes me want to stop playing

[wet crane]

we need more competition in gacha space

[frozen token]

Hopeing silver palace is good

[wet crane]

yea me too

[frozen token]

https://tenor.com/view/silver-palace-sip-silace-silver-palace-game-bnnuy-gif-2454231031711107434

[wet crane]

it looks kinda unpolished for now, but it's promising

[grave tiger]

cbt1 is out, i've heard good things, no gacha info for now tho

[wet crane]

cbt1 😩

that means another 1-2 years before release

[frozen token]

Its a shame Enfiled is mid

[midnight tide]

That’s basically a pity for both

I would not complain

Also weapon is not really needed on her, same as SK

[wet crane]

as long as I'm not getting them in 2 pulls I will complain

[midnight tide]

This

[wet crane]

fashion is important

the most important actually

[midnight tide]

When fashion cost me 70 pulls

I think about it more than twice

[wet crane]

fashion is expensive

[midnight tide]

If I lose the 50/50 I might quit no cap

[wet crane]

her echo set is easy to get/build for once

[frozen token]

Does this make you feel better?

[wet crane]

all you need is Crit Damage% + Lib damage% and enough ER%

[midnight tide]

I swear this game is rigged

With 50/50

I hate the lack of transparency from kuro

[wet crane]

not just the 50/50

[midnight tide]

Yeah critical stats too

[wet crane]

the 5 star pull rate is very very low, yet you always get a 5 star before the soft/hard pity around 70 pulls

[midnight tide]

always idk about that chief

but it does happen yes

honestly, most of the time I get a 5 stars at the soft pity

which makes things even more frustrating when you lose a 50/50

if you lose it after 30 pulls it's not the same obviouslty

[wet crane]

Hmm Im very lucky then because that never happened to me

the worst was 73-74 maybe

[midnight tide]

you are indeed luckier than average

because my last early pull was Iuno at 33

and it was after losing the 50's a 77

[wet crane]

my last early pull with 50/50 win was Chisa

[midnight tide]

not that long ago

the should just get rid of 50's, bring the soft pity to 90 pulls and keep the same pull rate

[wet crane]

yea but then I pulled Calculator early like first 10 pull, then I got Lynae in the next 30

[midnight tide]

oh

I only have 13k I should save for Aemeath but...

[wet crane]

thats the only reason why I could afford Morney xD

[midnight tide]

you said you had 300 pulls

you could have afforded her anyway

[wet crane]

Yes but I wanted the pink girl too

I can skipp luuke but I really want to win the next 50/50

To save pulls for the colab

[midnight tide]

I'm not that eager to pull one of the collab character

maybe Lucy it will depend on her kit

Rebecca that's an easy pass

[wet crane]

Yea I want Lucy

[sour sorrel]

Even better, on average you should get a 5* every 55 pulls

https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1fw3fsi/breakdown_of_wuwa_gacha_system/

TLDR:
Some interesting graph and chart:

[wet crane]

interestting

[wet crane]

Morney's S1 sequence is a huge upgrade hmm

it turns her into a universal support

[frozen token]

Turned off all reshade addons did what you said and still see that wack stuff

Could be one of my NvidaProile inspector settings

[midnight tide]

this was conducted till 1.2 when the game was in its early stages and therefore more generous (every gacha games does this)

on top of that

it was BEFORE the acquisition of Kuro games by Tencent

which change a whole lot of things

[frozen token]

geen shadow

[midnight tide]

just wait for her rerun ? not worth to potentially hard skip Aemeath because of a sequence

unless you have a ton of currency to exchange in the shop

[wet crane]

yea I wont go against my rule

S0R1

[glad mauve]

Forced AF

game doesnt like it

either set heir grading strength to 0% in Reno

or dont force AF

[frozen token]

I did hear there was some strange stuff with fored AF on the 50 siries

[glad mauve]

^

[glad mauve]

^

[glad mauve]

^

Why do some games have issues with grading and not others I dont know

[wet crane]

ohh

so it's a 50 series issue

interesting

[glad mauve]

yep

Lackwell keeps on giving

[wet crane]

what about SK's upgrade that does not apply AF to every texture just to those that actually use AF

[glad mauve]

No sure, I havent tested

[wet crane]

well I can't test it 😄

but it's interesting that the 50 series cards suffer from this

[frozen token]

Are you talking abouit the enigne.ini tweak?

[glad mauve]

Engine.ini AF doesnt work AFAIK for wuwa

Driver side forcing is what causes this issue

[midnight tide]

yup 10th 50's lost in a row after 70 pulls

im done with this game

[proven comet]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-animated-gifs-one-piece-anime-one-piece-hachinosu-one-piece-blackbeard-marshall-d-teach-gif-16343106473490930447

[wet crane]

I need that 1% ER

I'm still missing 1x Def% and 1x Crit Damage% tho

[wet crane]

@halcyon meteor Can you change the Vanilla+ preset to this? Thank you! ❤️

echo main stats are rigged too

I get crit rate and crit damage 95% of the time

when I need def%

it depends on the "popular main stat" of the specific echo I think

[echo ridge]

@halcyon meteor Can u update hdr look too for the next version #1411110125732892807 message

[wet crane]

Ok this is fine

Missing one Crit Damage% but it's good enough

[verbal schooner]

3.0 is not off to a good start, acc is now bricked with my first furry boi

[wet crane]

be happy that this was your first furry boi lol

[verbal schooner]

no longer furry free acc, and I already 100% lahai roi to get enough for Moryne so I'm giga fked for Aemeath 😭

[frozen token]

Can confirm Duet Night Abyss also has this problem

should probaly turn it off entirly unless I find a game I need it in

[sturdy cloak]

I absolutely adore the new presets highlight definition and better exposure balance. I do feel it is pretty undersaturated though. Artificial and mineral materials are fine, but foliage seems very tame compared to sdr. I've personally gone up to 60 saturation and 55 bloom and it looks pretty close to me (although maybe 59 or 58 would suffice for saturation). All that said, thanks for the work as always ! It is definitely an improvement overall, and the previous preset was already very good👌 .

[wet crane]

It’s a trade off

You can lower saturation correction to 0 to get sdr colors

but that causes other issues

increasing the saturation to 60 “fixes” the foliage saturation, but causes character skin/outift/attack vfx oversaturation

it’s a “pick your poison”situation 😄

but increasing saturation to 57-60 is perfectly fine

[rustic oriole]

are you guys using old bloom?

It looks better for me

[rustic oriole]

I like this

[sturdy cloak]

Ok, good to know. I was worried I was starting to become a "vivid" plebeian ... Hopefully, we're still not the same .

[wet crane]

Oh I have a better 50% grading str preset now

I take it back, I will keep testing the saturation/sat correction to find a value that matches sdr without skin/vfx oversaturation 😅

Or well I want to try

[rustic oriole]

gib

[sturdy cloak]

My faith remains unwavering.

[vital moss]

What's the DLSSfix even used for?

I use optiscaler fg

[foggy mica]

no FG for us HDR folks T^T

[glad mauve]

You cope with DLSS fix crashes

Or redo the whole add-on using UE HDR parh

Marat said it's piss easy, just need to fix composites

But then Wuwa is Wuwa

[coral thorn]

?

[foggy mica]

i will rather play at 60 FPS that have the game doing crash russian roulette :3 i feel i might buy some gun just for that

YO i got DLSS 4.5 to use with my super dooper new 5070 TI XD lucky for me STALKER 2 works with FG so i can do both DLSS Performance + FG 160 FPS BABY nop my muppet ass forgot i never got 160 on that game T^T

[glad mauve]

UE has engine level HDR that can be set which includes resources + swapchain.

The FG flickering happens because of how Reshade + Reno + FG transformer interacts when having to also set up HDR swapchain and upgrade resources

If some geezer moved over Wuwa add-on to use UE HDR then this problem gets solved

Instead of coping that NV fixes it

[foggy mica]

SoonTM with FG x12 XD

[wet crane]

@sturdy cloak Well I have bad news, lowering saturation correction fixes most of the color issues (Saturation Correction 50 + Saturation 57), but it removes colors from VFXs and special effects :/

we need a better hue processor

there is not much we can do, just increase saturation to 57-60 for now

or you can try Saturation Correction 50 + Saturation 57, the issues might not bother you

[sturdy cloak]

You're attempt is still saluted soldier. You're sacrifice will be remembered 🫡.

[sturdy cloak]

I will go back and forth and see between 57 and 60 to see what I think strikes the best compromise. Although I have to say, even at 60, I didn't encounter very obvious glowing skin as of yet. Expecially compared to how wild it got around the 2.6 update.

[wet crane]

just test Saturation Correction 50 + Saturation 57

it's not that bad

shorekeeper might be the only character that looks a little weird with Saturation Correction 50

[sturdy cloak]

Wait, saturation correction ? Let's test that right now !

[wet crane]

this yea

[echo ridge]

Go to HDR look

Stop looking at sdr shots

Embrace the nits

Embrace the contrast

Embrace the colors

Additionally

[wet crane]

Samuel wants to stay true to the original vision

[echo ridge]

Switch color space

To BT2020

[wet crane]

rofl

[echo ridge]

for maximum impact

[wet crane]

yup xD

[sturdy cloak]

50/57 looks promising at first glance !

We're still on 100 percent grading right ?

[wet crane]

yes