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[echo ridge]

HDR look will be a bit more punchy

speaking of which

Current hdr look preset

Hopefully should be integrated next patch

[crystal thistle]

Geshu lin?? He appeared?

[echo ridge]

not played story?

[crystal thistle]

Nah been quite some time lol

[echo ridge]

Then yes he appeared in one of the character quests

[raven parrot]

I just change color space to bt2020 but yeah

[echo ridge]

@wet crane 👀

[glad mauve]

I get it now

[echo ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-cheers-to-that-wink-steve-carell-gif-23705252507487769

post in screenshots/gallery to furhter spread the gacha propaganda

[glad mauve]

Endfield going to have me locked in my room

Wtf

I am just exploring the open world

And everything looks pretty

[echo ridge]

yep just doing normal shit and it looks amazing

[echo ridge]

this man is going to bypass the anti cheat to fit that reno in

[glad mauve]

Send a 50 Petabtye zip bomb directly to hyperglyph

If no HDR, bye bye game

Question, waveplates energy bar thing is wack

What should I do around them

Save them only for character materials that I need for upgrades?

1 every 12mins is abysmal considering you need like 60

[glad mauve]

nvm watched some utube

**Me when I dont pull the absolute meta pick as a new player **

[clear holly]

Pull Phoebe when she rerun next banner

Or Phrolova

The others are not worthy enough

[midnight tide]

Imagine being a Phoebe simp when Jinhsi exists

[glad mauve]

[raven parrot]

I aint spos to do that?

[rigid yoke]

indeed a slop, i kinda need it for my old 2060 super gpu it's super helpful, just wished DLSS FIX worked so i can RenoDX+OptiScaler (though opti doesn't really work with Reno)

[echo ridge]

yes boi the impact frame is impactful

[wet crane]

It looks like we were right

3.0 release date is 12-24 according to the leaks

[raven parrot]

let me get this straight; renoDX maps HDR data to the SRGB colorspace instead of the traditional BT2020?

I thought when you select srgb dci-p3 bt2020 its just a clamp of the colorspace

[sturdy cloak]

That's pretty cool

[raven parrot]

wdym?

thanks for clarifying

so by that logic wouldnt setting it to bt2020 be the most vibrant?

what does chromatically clip mean

99.6 or something yeah

Is there any downsides to that? like if i set my peak bnrightness to 10k nits, detail is lost as its just pure white vs if i properly set a peak brightness. For trying to display colours outside of its container, is there any similar disavantages?

understandable!

[glad mauve]

Too much confusion, why did you add the ability to choose colour space to wuwa in the first place?

should of said future proofing

[raven parrot]

after experiencing bt2020 everytime i go back to 709 or p3 it looks washed out

lol

[glad mauve]

sounds like you're deepfrying your colours

considering 99.999% of games are doing fully 709 colours

[raven parrot]

What is something that is very similar in gradient in wuwa

color*

like you mentioned if i use bt2020

smh is red

it tries to be deeper red

my display cant display that color

so its still red 1

vs red 2

no idea whatr that is so probably not

i dled n extracted it

no clue how to use it

wheres the instructions

lol

just prior to me doing this, hopped on wuwa and switched it to p3, and the game does look more natural

o w8

yup popped it in the same folder

done

in addonos?

This what we talking bout

💀

interesting

nothing here

dragged itr in the same folder as the path

[raven parrot]

currently in Win64, there is no resahde-shaders

reshade

wtgf

shoot me

I have succesfully executed your command

😢

does nothing

ill try restarting maybe, probably wont do anything if reload does nth

still nothing

:\

[midnight tide]

I was part of the bt2020 mob before I open my eyes

[raven parrot]

it worked

😭

how did i not see that

mmm

fuckingn sexy

ok so smallest to biggest triangle

709 p3 2020?

bottom left

oooo very cool

hovering my cursor over things shows me

ok

and how do i know if something is clipping?

do i crossreference this rtings chart with what im getting with my colors bottom left and anything beyond that boundary is clipped?

ty

🥲

need new micro LED tv to reach 90% 2020 coverage

even after clamping to p3 camellya's dress somehow is reaching the very corner of the red on 2020

wtf

nvm

🥲 misred

intended

hm so going back to what you said

if i go to p3 mode

it switches its 709 coordinates to its p3 coordinate?

ah i think it might just be brightness

how do you convert it? for corner values they will hit the corners, but for values within the center of 709 will still be around the centre of 709, just a bit more saturated right?

hmm so for your example i wouldnt be in america anymore, just china. however p3 and 2020 overlay the 709 colorspace, so where would i be on there if i wasnt in the corner

[glad mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

look

just be normal

and use 709

the game was mastered in it

simpel azz

[raven parrot]

hell naw

[glad mauve]

bro really tried explaining matrix as countries

use 709

convo over

[raven parrot]

Ain't no way someone buys an oled to play games in sdr

Ty for nice explanation

[glad mauve]

you seem to be under a misconception

Games even those that have HDR

Are nearly all limited to 709 colours

WGC is rare because assets havent been made with it in mind, It requires studios to remake their entire workflow and 99.999% have no transitioned over to it

709 doesnt mean SDR

and colour volume on better displays can still be taken advantage of

[raven parrot]

SDR as in no eq tracking, soz

Pq

[glad mauve]

709 has a bit of WGC, it doesnt completely clamp

and it is 'correct' to the intent of the game

Setting it to BT2020 will just stretch the colours

in most cases it looks wack

I keep writing it as Wide Gamut Colour instead of Wide Colour Gamut

[faint monolith]

@raven parrot trueblack400 OLED?

try this setting

The drawback is that the night sky tends to be slightly greenish.

[glad mauve]

UI elements just become

[raven parrot]

too bright 😭

[raven parrot]

idgaf about games intent

i want it to look good

too many purists these days. a person might enjoy oversatured colours vs non oversaturated colors, at least they can have the option to select which one they want

[glad mauve]

@echo ridge

its ogre

[raven parrot]

rly ni

2v1

[faint monolith]

https://alteriax.github.io/WuWa-Config-Info/color-settings/

Refer to this guide

[wet crane]

You don’t need to measure anything, bt2020 looks wrong it’s super obvious lol

[faint monolith]

INSERT OR REPLACE INTO LocalStorage (key, value) VALUES ('Brightness', '-0.7'), ('SaturationNew', '50'), ('ContrastNew', '50');

This way it won't look so bright.

[raven parrot]

i just adjusted game brightness

[glad mauve]

look at the pic with Sanhua, the gamut stretch is soo large, the blue / purple water ends up with an insane blue clip fry

You can just run 709 and increase saturation slider

if you want more color

[faint monolith]

This is the old setting, it's currently hidden.

[raven parrot]

yeah thats 2020

im on p3 now

:3

[wet crane]

you can enjoy oversaturated colors, just increase the saturation using the slider leave the color space alone lol

[glad mauve]

I am number 1 stan for not respecting creative intent

[raven parrot]

using saturation slider only doesnt have that punch

:3

[glad mauve]

I bypass LUT/Grading in nearly every game

[faint monolith]

red of BT709 is not vibrant enough

[raven parrot]

so trrue

lol

[raven parrot]

709 mfs when they switch to p3 for the first time

: O

[faint monolith]

If you adjust the slider, blue will reach oversaturation before red.

I can't stand oversaturated blue, so I chose P3.

[raven parrot]

P3 is my goat

[wet crane]

There is a huge difference between not respecting creator intend and using obviously wrong settings imo

[glad mauve]

gamut expansion MFs when they use fake settings, might as well stick with RTX HDR

[raven parrot]

you aint even changing the creative intent cause if its converted perfectly to the p3 space everything has the same difference in contrast and brightness

its da same thing

just more vibrant

[wet crane]

there are people who intentionally “miss-match” dynamic range for example

[glad mauve]

Genshin plebs have to force ITM on with every game start

abysmal

[raven parrot]

whats ur settings and monitor

[glad mauve]

one sec

lemme post

Allen Delaware 3225qf

[raven parrot]

709

🤮

OHLD ON

HOLD ON

SCENE GRADING

STRENGTH

0?

0?

[glad mauve]

^

I think its becasue I am forcing AF16 and have Lackwell GPU, I get the red artefact BS if grading is active

[raven parrot]

wait how bruh

i tried scene grading 0

after 2m it was cursed

[wet crane]

scene grading str 0 is just bad lol

[glad mauve]

Fight me

[raven parrot]

ts has to be ragebait

[glad mauve]

also captured with the above settings

[raven parrot]

ima be 100% deadass

[glad mauve]

neva

[raven parrot]

that looks like shit compared to normal scene grading

how are youi taking the photos

in game?

[glad mauve]

The baiters are baiting one another

no one knows whos baiting who anymore

[raven parrot]

dont you find that

unusually dark

[raven parrot]

shorekeeper butterfly is spos to pop with blue

and yet its dark asf

[glad mauve]

with grading / grading off

Its the red artefact BS

but i think reno is changing the color

but it does sometimes display as red

[raven parrot]

?!? what even is that green stuff

unedited photo?

[glad mauve]

^

Blackwell special sauce

[raven parrot]

yeah but its not red

its green

lol

[glad mauve]

🤷‍♂️

[glad mauve]

sometimes it is red

[raven parrot]

@halcyon meteor

wats happening

[glad mauve]

Wouldnt have to force AF if they actually shipped 16x instead of 4x like some plebs

then again

mobile game

and AF is something phones cant into

too much bandwidth

[raven parrot]

not sure how a 50 series gpu would cause that

r u sure its cuz of blackwell?

[glad mauve]

Jensen special sauce

known issue

caused by textures that lack mipmaps

Reno must be doing something to make it display as green/teal instead of the typical red

but as you can see the in the vid

if I spam changing from vanilla / reno, the red shows up

[faint monolith]

Am I the only one experiencing this?

tone mapper kuro/genshin All will appear

gamma conrrection off,It will disappear

Ahhh, it's because of my engine.ini.

This phenomenon will not occur after resetting.

Abnormal/Normal

[echo ridge]

:icant:

[glad mauve]

We're all shitting posting

It's fine

[echo ridge]

Its okay these were the equivalent of people who use their sdr monitor in WCG without any clamping

They exist™

[echo ridge]

Dont use kuro tone mapper none btw

Its been broken for a while and will cause artifacts but i mever bothered to mention it cause no one uses it

[glad mauve]

Even with grading set to 0%?

[glad mauve]

I can't use kuro at 50% since I get the dumb ass artefacts

Not about to switch off AF

Kuro should just ship AF option

AF 4x ahh default

[echo ridge]

Theres probably an alternative

But i dont care enough to search for it for u

[glad mauve]

3.0 will bix

10 more days

And Kinofield CBT2 will be out

If devkit doesn't hook I'll kms

[echo ridge]

Force x16 aniso via optiscaler

[glad mauve]

Oh yh @halcyon meteor I saw DLSS sharpening which is yuck, I am keeping it at 0 atm.

Is there any other sharpening going on? Thought I'd replace it with RCAS then send you to merge

[glad mauve]

Works with DLSS bix?

[echo ridge]

Dlss sharpening doesnt even work in dlss4?

The ingame slider is probably useless

[echo ridge]

Dont know thats something for u to try

[glad mauve]

Well is is actual DLSS sharpening or NIS that they've labelled as DLSS sharpening

Because they have NIS.dll separately

I am happy with the sharpness of the game atm

[echo ridge]

U could try but unless they updated the implementation to NIS the slider would become useless once u go past certain dlss implementation

Slider would also automatically becomes rcas if you have optiscaler btw

[glad mauve]

Damn

Maple cooking?

Dafuq never knew this

[echo ridge]

It just calls the sharpening function

U just click enable rcas in opti

And all the sharpening is rcas instead of whatever that upscaler uses

U can prob leave grading str 100 + none kuro tone mapper

And it wud clamp

Iirc

[clear holly]

Other way around, bt2020 has neon color.
Don't be the "sweetfx" guy here pls

Just keep bt709 and set saturation to 60 or so

More accurate, and still way more saturated than vanilla.
Anything above 60 (or using DCI-P3/bt2020) is just objective garbage, more neon than neon lights in CP2077, more vibrant than any other vibrant game (while wuwa isn't really in terms of artistic direction)

[wet crane]

SK’s AF upgrade works fine

[glad mauve]

SK + Reno + DLSS fix was atrocious for me to setup

Half the time the swapchain would glitch out upon loading

[glad mauve]

Just finished cubeverse event

BGM good

https://tenor.com/view/ekoi-ekoi-dancekid-dancekid-gif-10799637110820905144

[clear holly]

Truly one of the event of all time

[midnight tide]

@halcyon meteor What is the difference between BT 709 and DICP3 ?

I find the latter more pleasing to my eyes, but if it induce too many inacuracy stuff i wont use it

it is yes, but on a scale of 1 to 10 how inaccurate it is ?

I think it's just better to use BT709 and crank up the saturation slider a bit

[echo ridge]

Just as one gains clarity another falls into the p3/2020 pit

[glad mauve]

Who just sent me an invite to join my world

Spiwar

I don't mind us duoing Endfield factory together

[wet crane]

the cycle never ends

[glad mauve]

Wouldn't fall into the WCG pitfall if there was no WCG

[dusty tiger]

We all ready for, "Broken HDR Thursday"??

[halcyon meteor]

😔

[echo ridge]

Bold of you to assume we both get into the beyta

[glad mauve]

25mil sign ups

Servers will be ded

[wet crane]

nah DNA's pre-reg number was high too

[glad mauve]

Do they jack the numbers up?

[wet crane]

who knows

Probably, low numbers are embarrassing haha

[sturdy cloak]

I am not. But a great cause is always worth the wait in the end. Ain't no way I play the game in sdr so waiting it is.

Besides, there is a thrill to the wait. Reminds me of Christmas😅 ...

[raven parrot]

If person x plays through wuwa using 709 and p3 and decided that p3 gives him more enjoyment, he should stick with p3

If artist's intent and accuracy was any concern of Kuro's he wouldn't add any default filters or a wide range of picture preference settinga

[glad mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/piss-nuke-piss-nuke-tutorial-truth-nuke-true-true-morgan-freeman-gif-1990497734463688507

[echo ridge]

You forgot the part where they remove the color settings to affect cutscene because they dont want their players making their cutscenes look like absolute dog

[drowsy wolf]

apparently if u spend money in the cb2 when the game is officially release you get double of what u paid

ofc only if u can even get the cbt2 access

[glad mauve]

**monetisation inside of a beta test **

[drowsy wolf]

for whale it might be a good thing

kinda unfair for people that cant get the beta key

[clear holly]

#1423918603035476041 message just added AF override feature
So no need to use SK, can use only reshade

[midnight tide]

Because cutscene are not designed the same way. There’re a lot of post processing effects and tuning they are doing to the image which basically makes it unsuitable for any kind of color filtering

Without actually completely ruining the results

[echo ridge]

and you think the normal game doesn't have a lot of post processing and tuning?

either way the filters that are currently given by them also have slider limits

so you dont completely shit on the image

which p3/bt2020 stretching does

and that stretching also makes the UI pretty fucking disgusting

[midnight tide]

Obviously not as much ? I mean just screenshot the game during a cutscene and during a normal roaming and you will see

There’s a cinematic aspect on the cutscene which is intended

And by nature not compatible with any color filtering

[echo ridge]

can you mention one effect the real time cutscene does different vs the gameplay other than depth of field

[midnight tide]

This is for every game that doesn’t use real time cutscenes

[echo ridge]

I said mention one

[midnight tide]

I dont have the knowledge to tell u one specific effect they are using during cutscene and not during normal gameplay

I’m just saying this is not tuned the same way

[echo ridge]

and where is this from?

[midnight tide]

And it’s obvious to the eye

[midnight tide]

https://www.mad-vfx.com/blogs/cinematic-visual-effects

[echo ridge]

this isn't wuthering waves

you do realize if there's a post FX that's exclusive to cutscenes

we have to patch it with the mod right?

newsflash: there isn't

[midnight tide]

I think you misunderstood something

[echo ridge]

even if we assume so

for your argument to work

whatever extra post processing or tuning they're doing

[midnight tide]

I havent said they’re using different visual effects for wuwa in particular I said those visual effects are tuned differently and more aggressively to get a more cinematic effect

[echo ridge]

it has to be incompatible with... color grading?

[echo ridge]

tuned different and more aggressively how?

I'm asking you to give an example

"Hey they're doing X things that break color filters/color grading but only cutscenes"

"like what"

"...."

[midnight tide]

you think I’m a wuwa devs ? I’m only assuming so considering the cutscene and the normal gameplay provide two different results visually

You cannot sit here and tell me they’re identical

[echo ridge]

they're identical other than the fact the rendering automatically switches to a cinema aspect ratio

they might use higher quality effects/models

but that doesn't fundamentally make color filters not work

if the tuning is so specific that it makes color filters unusable

and renodx itself shouldn't be usable since it changes the color dramatically

[midnight tide]

This is from a cutscene. Does it look like normal gameplay to you ?

[echo ridge]

light shafts

camera placement

directing

what's here that makes applying a filter on not possible?

[midnight tide]

So not identical ?

[echo ridge]

nothing that would make color filters unusable from a technical perspective]

[midnight tide]

It is possible but it will break creator intent to such an extent it wouldnt even be worth it

[echo ridge]

see

finally

creator's intent

we arrive at what I have been saying in the first place

[midnight tide]

There are no technical limitations if this is what you meant

[echo ridge]

they dont want you to shit on the creator's intent

hey you finally arrived #1411110125732892807 message

[midnight tide]

I understand but my take is somewhat different to what you’re saying

Unlike roaming, cutscenes have a very specific tuning to preserve creator intent

[echo ridge]

so you're saying open world gameplay and visual design has no creator's intent?

[midnight tide]

It has but not with the same scale

Because open world gamplay rendering depends a lot on the user configuration and taste

If he sets everything to low, why creative intent should matter ?

The cutscene keep their quality no matter the configuration and the user choice

Regarding the settings

[echo ridge]

literally no

real time cutscene look like absolute ass if you set to low

something something

...why creative intent should matter?

[midnight tide]

Fair I should precise I was talking only about pre rendered cutscene

Since the beginning

[echo ridge]

nobody gives a shit about pre rendered cutscene

[midnight tide]

I do

[echo ridge]

I don't and you can't really change that so it is not even the topic im talking about

[midnight tide]

There are disabling color filtering during normal cutscene too ?

[echo ridge]

yeah

get on the same page

the old color settings they had

applied to REAL TIME CUTSCENES

and they removed it

for the current implementation

which specifically disables on cutscenes

#1411110125732892807 message

this is what the sentence was referring to

nobody gives a shit about pre rendered cutscenes its pre rendered bro

[midnight tide]

Then you have a point

I havent noticed this was disabled during normal cutscene

[midnight tide]

I still do

[echo ridge]

but you can't really do anything about it

its 1080p pre rendered slop

and applying color grading to a compressed image/video is meh

[midnight tide]

I mean I dont care reno is not working there, but I’m happy there’re here instead of 24/7 real time cutscenes

[echo ridge]

wtf

that's a controversial opinion

[midnight tide]

I will explain why

If you do 24/7 real time cutscenes you will def break every mobile on the planet. Devs said they had to nerf 2.7 cutscenes because mobiles couldn’t keep up

So I’m glad we have pre rendered so we can at least enjoy a large scale combat visually

[echo ridge]

yeah fuck mobile users

[midnight tide]

Instead of dealing with a downgrade induced by dogshit mobile chip

[echo ridge]

looks like complete ass

they can do pre rendered for mobile

give PC the real shit

if that trend keeps up everything you see will be pre rendered

and dogshit

[midnight tide]

I mean sure but is extra work

I do not think they want to do pre rendered cutscene only for mobile users

But I agree this should not become a norm

But if we dont have that then every large scale combat in wuwa would just disappear

[echo ridge]

pre rendered slop could never

[echo ridge]

you mean large scale combat cutscenes?

[raven parrot]

in game screenshots dont work with renodx?

anyone else

[midnight tide]

Yes

They said they wanted to do an all out battle in 2.7 with every Rinascita resonator and echoes

But they couldn’t because of mobiles’ limitations

So they nerfed their initial idea and turned most of the fight into a pre rendered slop

(Which was still well done, I enjoyed the music a lot)

[wet crane]

Sure, you do you, but using the wrong color space is like putting a loud exhaust pipe on a slow car to make it sound faster. @halcyon meteor You should just remove the option tbh, or you can expose all the dev sliders to create pure chaos.

[raven parrot]

if placing a loud exhaust on a slow car

1. Does not affect anyone else
2. Increases personal enjoyment and dopamine release
3. No short or long term health trade offs

Where is the disadvantage in this scenario?

[raven parrot]

arent cutscenes pre rendered

[midnight tide]

There’re in game cutscenes in wuwa

I thought he was talking about the pre rendered ones at first but no

He was referring to the cutscene you see in game during normal quests

[bleak light]

Beside last cutscenes in final chapter, all other cutscenes in game are rendered in real time

[wet crane]

You do you, but we won't stop saying that it's wrong to use the wrong color space. 🤷‍♂️

[midnight tide]

No a lot of cutscenes from previous chapters were also pre rendered

[bleak light]

I rmb seeing a lot of xxmi skins mod showcase with these cutscenes

At least im sure more than 60% real time rendered

[midnight tide]

I agree yeah. There must be like 6 or 7 pre rendered cutscene in the whole game

Kuro use them only when then cannot do in game cutscenes for performance reason

[wet crane]

for mobile performance reason 😄

[midnight tide]

That is what i was saying above

Kuro cannot do in game cutscene only because of mobile

[wet crane]

the pre-rendered cutscenes look kinda bad unfortunately

[midnight tide]

Unless they nerf everything

Nothing we can do about it. Most of their earnings come from mobile

[clear holly]

I guess therr's no way to know in advance how bad an update will be to fix for renodx

Like check with FModel the game files and see if shaders changed or smth
Well the AES key is probably not known until launch

[midnight tide]

Blame the players who actually play endless hours on their phones for a gacha game

[wet crane]

I can't imagine playing a game like Wuwa on mobile tbh

[midnight tide]

Same this is just pure torture

[wet crane]

I mean the mobile version is fine to do the daily stuff if you are lazy

or if you can't access your PC

[midnight tide]

Even that is kinda pushing it tbh

I would call myself lazy but I still have time to press a button and turn on my pc

[clear holly]

Meanwhile hsr gameplay is too simple even for mobile 😆

[raven parrot]

Creative intent purist MFS when they discover why the game modding industry is so big

[wet crane]

Creative intent purist? Tell that to spiwar hahaha

No it has nothing to do with modding

[raven parrot]

I'm 1v5 in this chat

[wet crane]

To undress female characters tbh

[midnight tide]

I really respect creative intent but wuwa on bt 709 is so blend honestly. Grass looks like green straw

Not even kidding

[raven parrot]

that ain't to the artists intent

[wet crane]

yes I actually agree, thats why we use the saturation slider to increase the saturation

[midnight tide]

Yeah but anything above 70 looks really wrong idk why

[wet crane]

50-60 should look fine

[midnight tide]

Im at 60 currently

[raven parrot]

Isn't increasing saturation doing the same thing as changing to p3 as both make it look more saturated

[midnight tide]

And anything under is just non playable for me

[wet crane]

nope

[midnight tide]

No

[raven parrot]

Explain the difference

[midnight tide]

Even if you increase saturation you’re not artificially stretching colors outside of the range

[wet crane]

you are stretching colors if you change the color space

[midnight tide]

I’m actually not an enemy either because I do like P3 results and prefer them over 709

[raven parrot]

But distance from D65 whitepoint increases either from increasing saturation slider or switching to p3 colorspace

[midnight tide]

But I stick to 709 because of accuracy

[raven parrot]

Soo in the end the human that views it will view both as more saturated

[midnight tide]

I guess one would be accurately saturated

[raven parrot]

that's why p3>saturation slider

[midnight tide]

How ?

[raven parrot]

I mean if I assume the colorspace is automatically converted to p3 from 709 evenly for all values, it's more accurate then 709 cranking the saturation slider

[midnight tide]

You lose accuracy during conversion thats the whole point

@halcyon meteor so If I understand correctly, my tv covers only 63.4% of the bt2020 color space ?

[clear holly]

HSR player, everything make sense
Your game is a slot machine.
No gameplay, just overstimulating shiny lights for quick dopamine

[midnight tide]

@wet crane you losing all hopes for this guy actually kills me

[clear holly]

HSR at 2x is still hurting my eyes even when they are closed

[raven parrot]

Pretty sure you lose accuracy if you touch the saturation slider as the differences in values calculated are unevenly skewed.

709 to p3 conversion if perfect keeps all the ratios the same. Yes it's a different color but the tree correctly x times more green then a grass. Saturation slider pretty sure messes up these values

[raven parrot]

I don't play hsr

[raven parrot]

Wat TV is that

[midnight tide]

S95f

It’s solid yeah but p3 is near perfect

[raven parrot]

Didn't scroll down 😭

[midnight tide]

I think he was answering the first screenshot

But yeah both screen are for the same tv

[raven parrot]

Might get 1, prices are pretty good in aus

Sadly, I am the #1 glossy coating glazer.

[midnight tide]

A Friend got his at 1450€ recently 65 inch

Insane price

[midnight tide]

Yeah then the tv is not for you

Even tho I find the mat coating haters a bit too harsh

Not a bit, way too harsh

[raven parrot]

77inch s95F if you use some tricks is around 4500aud in aus

[midnight tide]

You need to wait for sales

This price is just too much

[echo ridge]

LOL

P3 stretching user talking about accuracy

What is this cope

@glad mauve wake up honey check this out

[glad mauve]

I am working on a wallpaper for Arknights

I am making a reno thread for it

I just finished reading through the chat

[glad mauve]

doesnt matter, they said the ultimate trvth nuke

[glad mauve]

^

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[echo ridge]

Saying accuracy doesnt matter and at the same time saying p3 stretching is more accurate than the sat slider

I cant wait to see how the programming evolves by tomorrow

[glad mauve]

rot is real

[dusty tiger]

So how broken are we thinking things are gonna be?
I say at least the gacha animation and the color Blue on characters.
Seems to be the most common. XP

[clear holly]

With improved RT perfs, improved RTGI quality, added DFAO, could impact rendering, idk (or is that for 3.0?)

Shouldn't impact the tonemapping and later stages stuff but we'll see

[glad mauve]

Wuwano will be in the RenoGulag

for 3 months

min

[dusty tiger]

Every update breaks it it seems.

[clear holly]

Yeah I know, don't know why though
Even more chance stuff break this time

[dusty tiger]

Unfortunately....

[clear holly]

They prefer to do multiple things in the same shader I guess

Update in 2 hours?

[dusty tiger]

Approx

[clear holly]

Will my 20% winrate on 50/50 go up or down

[dusty tiger]

PC catches fire. XD

I can't afford to lose another 3080 Ti

[clear holly]

Couldn't you use ReversedRooms private servers of the betas, to be able to work on future updates before they even release ?

[glad mauve]

Just email Kuro for early access

better yet]

get them to do HDR

[dusty tiger]

Just have them bake the mod into the game. #ProblemSolved

[clear holly]

xd

[clear holly]

80 shadows that's crazy
that makes them even less dark iirc

[dusty tiger]

Think it's because they are using V3 Shadow Version

[clear holly]

I still would prefer to use a value <50, to make them darker
unless it was reversed

[echo ridge]

^

try it first

reducing shadows would be crushing details

[clear holly]

Yeah, I just find shadows not that dark

[echo ridge]

the contrast tweak

in that preset

[clear holly]

Shadows that hide details because they are dark 🤯

[echo ridge]

is what handles the shadows

too low will also crush details that you're supposed to see

which is very obvious in many stages

[dusty tiger]

GG fam

[echo ridge]

halfway through again

should be soon ish

@foggy mica are you still playing this game

if not someone else like @drowsy wolf will need to do the DX11 patching

I ain't touching that

[foggy mica]

yeah for this patch he can do it

i might try 3.0 :3 then i can help him

[echo ridge]

lutbuilders are unchanged

but it looks like all output shaders are

[clear holly]

You're looking in the main menu ?
Or already ingame

[echo ridge]

main menu

@halcyon meteor you have an updated version of devkit with the snapshot button shortcut?

[burnt oyster]

Weird that game bar screenshot in hdr

[echo ridge]

has always been this way

[burnt oyster]

But my recording isnt

[echo ridge]

game bar can take SS in hdr

you can record

with OBS

if you want hdr recording

[burnt oyster]

Oh so its normal

Kk

Do you use full range or limited

Seems a bit dark in full range

I've tried uploading the short hdr recording i got from obs to my yt but 3 days it havent got processed to hdr yet

Strangely

[clear holly]

Why oklab instead of iCtCp

[burnt oyster]

Any tips with the encoding formats

Used h265 and mkv container

Vid was only like 10 sec

Checked local and its fine

[echo ridge]

limited

yea

[echo ridge]

ictcp cooks other colours

tone for SK hues won't be right with ictcp

OKlab cooks the red a bit as well but its just a lesser evil

[glad mauve]

SF is working on a new hue anyways

Fixes the slop of all the current ones

[echo ridge]

hmm

the devkit

doesnt work

snapshot shortcut

[clear holly]

I tried changing hue processor and saw literally no changes lol
I guess depends on the area colors

[echo ridge]

hue processor is for highly saturated/bright colors

you wont see in switching back and forth doing nothing

[clear holly]

So maybe vfx

[echo ridge]

use character skills

with reds

and blues

and try again

[clear holly]

But the Vanilla+ use iCtCp

[echo ridge]

yes

a person made the preset

and decided ictcp was the one to use

potato potato

anyways

where is my DFAO

new lutbuilders

[halcyon meteor]

@echo ridge does that work now

[echo ridge]

yes

[drowsy wolf]

bruh so what do i need to do nobody teached me anything about lutbuilder

[clear holly]

Probably same as in #1411800884303626311 ?
Second message link to what to do to new ones

[echo ridge]

just dump your shaders as normal

dont care about it please

[drowsy wolf]

is not useful or something

[clear holly]

I think it's easy to dump and the changes are relatively straight forward compared to the rest

[glad mauve]

soo, should I join the effort

combine my 2 brain cells

to slop out the update quicker

[clear holly]

Are you usally missing some characters to dump their shaders ?
Unless spiwar pulled them all lol

Time to see if the current renodx is completely broken, love some funky graphical bugs

[drowsy wolf]

did they add native hdr why does my game looks hdr without renodx

[clear holly]

Lol, it's not in the changelog at least
Check with lilium analysis shader, if it's in SDR or HDR

[echo ridge]

@halcyon meteor if u can get out a patch quickly based on this

its not everything but this should make it faster

for me to dump the rest

im basically dumping looking at a black screen rn

[glad mauve]

not here

Still using Capsule AO

[echo ridge]

probably enabled alongside capsule AO

if one were to cope

[clear holly]

I think we're too used to decent contrast (and saturation) lol
It looks really washed out, not just low saturation but with a white filter lol

[glad mauve]

well the black smear is gone

from RT or AO was it

[clear holly]

RT global illumination setting

[drowsy wolf]

idk mine look great rn somehow

[glad mauve]

UI elements arent clamped if you're using reno

the patched didnt fuk with that

[clear holly]

No reno, look really white

[glad mauve]

liliums graph noooowwww

No pics no evidence

[drowsy wolf]

no renodx

[clear holly]

These gooner mods 🐒
Iuno vanilla outfit is already lewd enough lol

[bleak light]

interesting Iuno costume

[clear holly]

Already in the new area though, damn

I wonder if I can get there if I still haven't done 2.7 MSQ

[drowsy wolf]

ngl i almost quit after losing another 50

lmao

is a game after all just take ur time

[clear holly]

Thank god, won the 50/50
but with 20% winrate, hard to get that happy lol

[drowsy wolf]

the moment u feel like ur pressure to do stuff the game is no longer fun

im at 13

%

[clear holly]

I nearly never farm TDs, if I have the main stat and a few rolls it's enough for me lol. I do my dailies 2-3 times per week, idc.
Why would I farm everyday to get a 3% dmg increase (useful only in two endgame modes anyway)

[latent wigeon]

she looks cold

[clear holly]

Chisa C1 looks good, fuck

[drowsy wolf]

fr but stay cold for my personal liking

[latent wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-meme-gif-705829194042584208

[clear holly]

So is Chisa working with Zani or not ? I saw conflicting infos
Some people say with Zani, some with Phoebe, some with both

[sullen hawk]

is it normal for my game in HDR to have issues with colors? mine's distorted - like blue/magenta. or is it an issue with my settings? it started after the patch today.

[clear holly]

This mod need to be updated for 2.8, obviously

[sullen hawk]

I see; it was my first time using the mod in the prev. patch so I didn't know - thanks for heads up

[drowsy wolf]

chisa work

but zero improvement

[sullen hawk]

that's sad to hear, I wonder if she'll be BiS for a future unit - like how Ciaconna was BiS for Cartwheel

[drowsy wolf]

she is for cart

6%

[clear holly]

Having a more fun rotation than shorekeeper is an improvement for me lol
especially when I used her for so long, in so many teams

[sullen hawk]

yeah, but more of to replace Rover right

[drowsy wolf]

INCREASE

yea

sorry cap

[sullen hawk]

it's such a sad improvement

[sullen hawk]

what team do you use Chisa with?

[drowsy wolf]

i dont think she is made for cart but rn she can only be team ujp with carte'

u need to wait for futur charac like canterella

[clear holly]

I don't have cartethyia, so phoebe/zani
Phoebe S1 or Chisa S1 🤔

I don't have their weapon, but do have Zani S2 and her weapon

[sullen hawk]

right - how Cantarella was paired with Phrov

man I kinda want to pull for Phrov but I don't have Cantarella

[drowsy wolf]

or u can just wait for rerun until chisa gets her teammate

[glad mauve]

Maximum Peak 204nits

y u lie

[drowsy wolf]

ik that why i say it looks like hdr

[burnt oyster]

well chisa replace aerover

that's good enough tbh

[drowsy wolf]

are yall able to beat this shit im struggling

like he has so many move that one shot

[burnt oyster]

getting to the city to upgrade my girl first

so good to see SK again

[clear holly]

They said they improved RT perfs, idk sanguis plateau still runs like dogshit

[burnt oyster]

ye 0 diff

[clear holly]

I'm still in sanguis plateau, guess I can't get mats for chisa rn 😔
I don't want to do the MSQ without renodx

[burnt oyster]

i had 2 account for this purpose

[clear holly]

I have too much sanity for playing the same gacha twice lol

[burnt oyster]

well i dont usually play on alt either

only when i want to

like i have tons of quest i havent done yet

they should add quest replay

ffs

[glad mauve]

coming with 3.0

[clear holly]

is wuwano patching some shaders rn ?
didn't reply and he's offline 😭

[glad mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[burnt oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/iuno-eyebrows-wink-wuthering-waves-wuwa-gif-5371601042894969188

[echo ridge]

fucking relax dawg

[clear holly]

fucking learn to read mate

I'm just wondering if he's always in offline status or not

[burnt oyster]

just do something else

[echo ridge]

he patches it when he patches it

go touch some grass 😭

[burnt oyster]

return later

[clear holly]

lol don't worry about that

[glad mauve]

I just realised with Endfield

I am going to have to patch it every update

[echo ridge]

depends

ZZZ doesn't need to be patched every update

[drowsy wolf]

do u guys leave trc auto hdr fix on auto?

[echo ridge]

but if it breaks now nobody's gonna patch it

[glad mauve]

right... Wuwa is UE slop

makes sense

[echo ridge]

wuwa doesn't necessarily have to be patched every update as well

there were one updates ish probably

but since they change stuff often

it does break

[gusty marlin]

"The renodxhdr for ZZZ doesn't seem to work on the Chinese servers. I get an anti-cheat error about a minute into playing

[echo ridge]

unfortunately i dont give a fuck

[glad mauve]

[clear holly]

dxgi.dll instead of d3d11.dll ?

as cordial as ever

[echo ridge]

both are on the blacklist

[clear holly]

on cn?

[echo ridge]

on global

[gusty marlin]

yea

[echo ridge]

doesnt matter

[clear holly]

uh you can do reshade dll inject at least
i don't remember which one

[echo ridge]

d3d12.dll is just left over because dx12 is not official yet

inject via SK, XXMI, or inject64

or any other method

dxgi and d3d11 is blacklisted

[clear holly]

damn if we still need optiscaler to get proper dlss with renodx, that'll be a pain (once d3d12 is officialy supported)
like do inject64 of optiscaler, or SK+optiscaler+reshade

[gusty marlin]

dll inject seems dosentwork on zzzrenodx

sorry

[gusty marlin]

Are you using d3d11.dll on the international server?

[clear holly]

no, it's just that I always used SK global inject for d3d11, I only tried local dll with d3d12

[shy gyro]

the addon64 from Oct still works?

[clear holly]

not really, clips at 203nits
I think UI nits still work but that's about it, maybe the color grading but well..

Do ITM with SK or AutoHDR if you are that desperate

[shy gyro]

i change ui nits but it bright up the whole screen

[clear holly]

yeah rip

[shy gyro]

i just switch from rtx hdr to renodx because somebody said it's better😂 , now i need to switch back to rtx for a while

thanks for the hardwork on new addon anyway

[burnt oyster]

ui nits works for me

not the skills

[clear holly]

Here I was wondering why SK ITM crap was doing 10K nits peak and 1K average nits lol
No need to mess with this crap anymore, nice

Vanilla+ vs HDR Look
Personally find the shadows to look a bit weird especially near the bench. The pale bloom lighting make sense for the time of day, but the shadows look bad imho
Vanilla+ looks a bit "cooked" lol, seems like a side effect of the game grading :/

idk if something changed in 2.8 and they look different than before 🤔
Or the fix above fix that too

[glad mauve]

ahhh

spiwar

That happens with V3 shadows, if you go too far either direction it'll break

can you check if its the output shader or the shadows specifically

[clear holly]

The atmosphere affecting the shadow color make sense (compared to what Vanilla+ does) but it seems a bit extreme here, idk

[echo ridge]

can't see anything wrong

[clear holly]

The shadow has pale pink border near the bench and flower pot
I guess that's just the light around it, meh

[glad mauve]

shadows get a blueish tinge

[dusty tiger]

I think Chisa's Ult is clamping. But not 100% on that atm

[glad mauve]

here it is fine

[clear holly]

Yeah true it's a bit blue when it should be more like red-ish with the time of day

sunset it's easy to see

[echo ridge]

yeah this looks like you're fucking up somewhere

[clear holly]

That's literally your preset, with bloom set to 40 instead
same with your bloom value though

around 17PM at that ragunna spot

[echo ridge]

Vanilla / Vanilla+ / HDR Look

[clear holly]

that's night time
try when the clouds are still red-orange, 17pm

[dusty tiger]

Nm. Might be ok. Just looked dim I guess.

[clear holly]

17:49PM

[echo ridge]

it looks like you're doing something wrong

yeah

please switch to shadows V3

[clear holly]

smh the button to switch presets don't switch that...
but it does switch highlights version, lol

Ok your preset is more decent than I thought lol
I'll probably set "scene grading strength" to 80+, because skin looks pink in some scenarios
Hopefully that won't fuck up the preset overall 🤔

Any idea if there are many shaders missing ?
Looks great so far, hopefully same for Iuno area or whatever in 2.7

Hmm I need the devkit if I want to dump anything missing I guess
I think 2.7 has an area you can't go back to ? As I didn't do it yet..

[halcyon meteor]

(Another reupload 🥲 as I forgot to set the shadow version in the preset)

• Patched initial set of 2.8 shaders
• Updated "HDR Look" preset

[clear holly]

Thanks for your work 🤝

Now reverse engineer the exe to find that goddamn "DFAO" 😆 /s

[shy gyro]

my screen is flickering when using renodx, especially light sources

[clear holly]

You need #1413548071987576862 if you are using DLSS-FG 4 (Or you could keep using DLSS4 for super resolution, but revert framegen to DLSS 3, as a workaround)
And set the dlss and interposer dll path in reshade.ini like explained. And not use nvidia override for dlss version. Just replace in the game files instead with latest "streamline" dlls (or use SK, if it even works)

They added a new AO solution, distant field ambient occlusion. Compared to SSAO/GTAO the game use (and UE4 provide)
Supposely better but slightly higher gpu usage.

[shy gyro]

it's an ambient occlusion used in dead island2 too

good for large buildings

[clear holly]

It is in the 2.8 changelog, they showcased it in videos, but it's not in the game settings 🤔

Besides that joke, I hope you'll find a way to hide the location and UID text one day 🙏
I was able to do this for ZZZ (DX11) though with hardcoded value for 3840x2160 display
I tried the same naive approach but I only got crashes with wuwa :/ Could be skill issue or DX12 shenanigans

[echo ridge]

@halcyon meteor

you can probably do augusta yourself

this should be the rest

[clear holly]

I did something as stupid as this #🧪lab message on the shader responsible for UID (but also text on buttons etc)
I took a screenshot, looked at which position the text start (top left of UID), and just clip(-1) anything with a higher x && higher y value
Works well with ZZZ (doesn't hide text anywhere else), but couldn't make this work in wuwa, crash at boot

v0.x > 70 && v0.y > 2110 should hide all the bottom of the screen (so both location and UID) (for 3840x2160 display)
Though if you want to make both toggleable independantly, you'd need something else to make two zones

[glad mauve]

can anything be done in the vertex shader?

for XCOM 2 I was looking at adding UI scaling

it worked but I then would have to adjust how the UI moves in relation to the scaling which was all way too long for me

but I inadvertently figured out a way to 'hide' UI elements

by jut scaling it all soo small

it no longer appears

[clear holly]

No idea, I did this in the pixel shader iirc
you can just ignore area of the screen it render to (with clip(.1)). But if your UI move and change depending on the menu etc....

[glad mauve]

time for me to take a look at UI scaling for this gaem

'ate games with no UI scaling

but

it will fuk up the menus probably

The shader ties game UI with menu UI

[clear holly]

I don't see how you can scale each element individually, but I don't know much about this kind of things

From 68fps to 78fps by force-enabling rBAR with SK 😎

My draw distance x2 in engine.ini is probably hurting my fps a lot too, didn't really compare that

[echo ridge]

last i checked rebar doesn't do anything in this game

make sure its not placebo

[clear holly]

Yeah me too, I guess it's just restarting the game and going back to the quest area, weird

[shy gyro]

can't find the dlssfix addon file, was it removed

[clear holly]

check pins there

[glad mauve]

#1413548071987576862 message

[shy gyro]

upper right, i see

thanks

[verbal schooner]

new patch new things to fix - honami city clamping at nighttime only

[glad mauve]

new players we up

No such issues in Jinzhou

[clear holly]

SO fast 🤩
only for a specific resolution, or normalized to 0-1 ? (or you add logic for every single resolution lol)

Hiding the ping could be interesting too, but not as important, that's great already

[drowsy wolf]

lmfao there is a bug

that if take the picture on the event ur game crash

[clear holly]

btw "text opacity" and "hud opacity" don't seem to work (at least during dialogues)
Hopefully you can make your new hide UID/location/ping work independently from these two you added a while back 🙏

dw, if I really want to take screenshots during dialogues, I can use ShaderToggler 👌

[burnt oyster]

Seems like hdr works fine outside honami city

[clear holly]

I am not clipped to 203 at the start of the MSQ of the new area
But I can't free roam yet so maybe it's different afterward, or at night time yeah

[clear holly]

I'm thinking like a on/off for hud opacity (same as before), but for text* opacity have a off/partial/on
where partial remove only UID, location and ping (so 99% of people would use that all the time), while on (for text and hud) would be more for screenshots or something, and off be vanilla
I don't really find a usecase where you'd disable only hud or text but not both, but that's cool

[shy gyro]

@clear hollyi followed the instruction there , but fatal error

[clear holly]

add quotations marks around the paths

[glad mauve]

be aware that the game will still randomly crash with the error listed in the third pic

if you want no CTDs you'll have to forgo frameslopping

[shy gyro]

miracle

[glad mauve]

or downgrade to 3.8.1

[shy gyro]

😢 it works, thanks

[clear holly]

Oh yeah sure, as long as we can hide UID/location/ping but keep HUD and the text everywhere else 🔥

[clear holly]

is DLSS-FG 4 that much better than 3 anyway ?
I wouldn't want to go back to DLSS3 for super res, but for fg... idk 🤔

[shy gyro]

it has lower latency

i don't know the quality difference

[clear holly]

A fix would be for wuwano to patch unreal engine HDR path 😆 (where you add to engine.ini), this is an option for clair obscur
and FG work perfectly that way, but potentialy double the work (and if wuwa even accept that ini tweak..)

[glad mauve]

lower latency, I can use multiframeslop

worse disocclusion though

[clear holly]

Ah right multiframeslop for 5000 series

[glad mauve]

The solution is for Kuro to add HDR

then again

it will probably be ass

[clear holly]

You can wait a while for that lol

[glad mauve]

I'll just cope that their upcoming MMO will have HDR

Need to wait until 2040 when ever display is HDR

[clear holly]

You are amazing 😎

Could even remove this part, but that's nitpicking lol

Yeah true...
locations also has some use (compared to UID), but clearly way less often useful than this connection stability

[echo ridge]

check the hash

and make sure it doesnt conflict

with the shaders i already dumped

[gusty marlin]

What's your HDR paper white brightness? I feel 203 nits is too bright on my G5

[clear holly]

the hide hud is missing the quest indicator on the minimap
Also not really an issue, you could just stop following a quest and that's it

[clear holly]

I use 140, with 1000 peak
but my monitor is probably less bright than your TV, and I play in a nearly dark room too

[echo ridge]

you can go down to whatever

use 100

[gusty marlin]

I'm also in a fairly dark environment. Currently I have 1600 nits peak, and lowering the paper white to 150 feels a bit better. I'll try lowering it to 100 tonight to see how it goes.

[verbal schooner]

Not sure I couldn't figure it out earlier but i'll check again tomorrow with the updated build. Needa finish my where the winds meet stuff tonight 😂

[clear holly]

let me try

[midnight tide]

some one else lost his 5th 50/50 in a row ? 🙂

[clear holly]

how to find which one it is ? one not in the addon (and not in your part2) that freeze the rendering ?
I guess sending the two dozens last ones newly dumped after setting the time to night is not great lol

[echo ridge]

Turn screen black

Or just wait i'll check it tomorrow if i have time

[clear holly]

Clamped ults ?
(I have 140 game brightness)

[shy gyro]

flicker back again, are you using transfomer FG with renodx?

[glad mauve]

thats what the fix is for

transformer is the problem

[shy gyro]

i tired the fix, but crash at the start

[glad mauve]

remove all driver side forced changes

you cant have anything forcing presets

or upgrading .dll

[shy gyro]

like nvprofileinspector?

[glad mauve]

Any game that does SDR path reno addon which requires swapchain proxy and resource upgrades will flicker

its ass but it is what it is

[glad mauve]

yes

[shy gyro]

and reinstall addon again?

should i restore the dlss.dll manually?

[clear holly]

wait even replacing the dll to a newer dlss-fg 4 doesn't work 🤔

[shy gyro]

i delete the dlss.dll to see if it can regenerated a default one

[clear holly]

you need to use the repair/verify game file feature in the game launcher then
But you'll get DLSS-FG 3 and not 4, so it won't need dlssfix anyway

[shy gyro]

reshade is from renobuild 6.5.1, both wuwa addon and dlss fix addon are latest

[clear holly]

upgrading dll manualy should work, I mean the game ship dlss3 no ?
Only way to get dlss-fg 4 with this game is to replace it. And that's when you need dlssfix anyway

[shy gyro]

the game default is dlss fg 3?

[clear holly]

Unless it changed in the last two updates, pretty sure yeah?

I am using SK to upgrade it since a while so idrk

[shy gyro]

sk?

like dlss swapper?

[clear holly]

SpecialK
I don't know if you could use DLSSFix with it's DLSS upgrade feature, maybe if you set the path to the dlss.dll path of SK

[shy gyro]

i see

still crash

[glad mauve]

You can replace the .DLL manually

In the game files

The game has transformer model now due to MFG support

[shy gyro]

as long as i put the path correctly, the game crash when it start

[clear holly]

Oh right 👍

Pretty sure you need to add quotations marks as I told you earlier
"C:\my\path\dlss.dll"

[shy gyro]

they delete quote mark in the tutorial

i tried it with the quote mark but the flicker starts

[glad mauve]

I don't have quotes in mine

And your naming matches mine

So the issue is something else

Something else is overriding.dll

Or changing preset