The Witcher 3

[stark anvil]

OG GW is a fucking amazing game. I wish more people played it

[molten swift]

u were like 6 when it was poppin

[stark anvil]

nothing else like it

[night yarrow]

play acfa its also a miyazaki game

[molten swift]

i might check out the reforged ngl

[cold basin]

partially because i got a PC very late in my life because i couldnt afford one and parents only really got me consoles xd

[stark anvil]

was about to say, reforged is worth trying

it's a hell of a lot of game for $20

[night yarrow]

its also the very early build of the current fromsoft engine

[cold basin]

anyways brb gonna shower and then check out new reno build, then time for TGA

[rare scroll]

didnt he also do ac4

[stark anvil]

we still got 2 and a half hours to go

3 if you want to wait for the actual show to start

[quiet sandal]

Guessing this thread has now become a dickhour measuring contest

Rip W3

[quiet sandal]

wdym peak just dropped today https://store.steampowered.com/app/4124950/Ashes_of_Creation/

Steam

Ashes of Creation

A World Reborn from the Ashes
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Price

$42.49

Recommendations

675

Looks like a WEG

Pre alpha alpha

[rare scroll]

i got distracted by the hours played measurement contest, bro its a once in a life time historic game experience

its hard to think of glazing words that gives the witcher 3 justice

[spring crown]

I've played through the prologue
It just didn't grab me
Maybe it's the RDR2 situation, and the first few hours are the worst?
But I did like RDR2 from the start

I'm not trying to be Musa or anything, I wanna give it a chance, it's just I kinda don't like fantasy overall and and I simply don't feel the pull to play it

[molten swift]

the prologue is just running down the damn stairs racing ciri though lol

i wish i could experience tw3 for the first time again 😭

[spring crown]

No, I mean the prologue till you meet Tywin Lannister and get a main quest

I think even the title drop is after that

[spring crown]

That's tutorial

[molten swift]

true i was goofin

[spring crown]

Tbf I felt the same about Dark Souls and RDR2, and those ended up being some of my favorite games ever

I will get to it

[rare scroll]

yeah if you are not into medieval fantasy it might be hard to get drawn since big thing about w3 is atmosphere

[spring crown]

Eventually

[rare scroll]

although i would give velen (the area after prologue) a chance since it has one of the best stories

[molten swift]

thats crazy to me though, i just reinstalled rdr2 for the 9189192th time and still cannot get into it. i feel like every action in the game takes far to damn long. different strokes for different folks 🤷

[spring crown]

RDR2 is basically like an interactive HBO show
If you're the Gameplay > Everything Else kinda fellow, it's probably not gonna click with you

The best thing about RDR2 is that it kinda lets you feel like you're organically a part of the world, and not it's center
CP2077 is very similar in that regard

[molten swift]

another one i cant get into 😎 but it does look great loool

[cold basin]

oh i though its 2hours exactly

or 96mins now

[stark anvil]

the game itself is rougher, but narratively the witcher 2 starts strong as hell

one of my favorite openings in video games honestly

I feel like 3's start only works if you're already invested in the characters

[molten swift]

maybe this playthrough i will use a different build than the other playthroughs lol 🤔

[cold basin]

mmh yes just opened my window for few mins

launching new test build rn

is the per channel hue shift again just for highlights? @stark anvil

[stark anvil]

yeah

[cold basin]

pog

ouhhh

i think i like

on first glance at least

[stark anvil]

well, more accurate to say it works in tandem with the per channel blowout slider. It shifts relative to how high you have that turned up

[cold basin]

can confirm no color shifts / saturation shifts with 2500 nits vs 1000

this looks really damn good

i think you have cooked @stark anvil

[stark anvil]

Cool. Now if only bloom can be solved

[cold basin]

i dont have too many issues with the settings im using

[stark anvil]

Check sunset on the bridge to oxenfurt

[proper valve]

Literally one of the best narratives ever written in gaming with incredible top tier acting and dialogue. I'd gladly give RDR2 as the best game ever made IMO.

With Witcher 3, I felt the same when I tried playing it back in 2018 or so, so I basically started reading the books

[stark anvil]

For reasons that elude me I just always end up falling off of that game. On paper it’s incredibly my thing.

[proper valve]

and slavic / nordic folklore is literally my jam so fell in love and then starting this game was a breeeeeze and is now one of my fav games of all time also

[proper valve]

I started RDR2 like 5x

[cold basin]

Man same, i dont know why, ive started it 2 times and while the intro grabbed me pretty well i kinda lost interest shortly after that

maybe the 3rd time RDR2 will click for me

[proper valve]

When I decided to stick with it

[molten swift]

gl im on attempt 800 it feels like

[proper valve]

it was the best decision

[cold basin]

[proper valve]

You gotta sit down and decide now you will see it through and the pay off will be worth it, trust

[stark anvil]

Waiting for a Vulkan renodx mod to jump back in. I just can’t deal with the dx12 camera stutter

[proper valve]

Even though I think games like W3 are incredibly special and tick all the boxes for me, mainly the type of world setting and lore. But RDR2 is hands down, the best "fictional" world and characters ever created. R* cooked hard

[molten swift]

yeahhhhhh the texture mods i want to use dont work with dx12 either 🤷

kek

we back in there boys

[proper valve]

why use dx12?

[molten swift]

renodx

[molten swift]

HMMMM I havent seen any yet 🤔

[proper valve]

ah. I think there wasnt one when I played

Just stuck with it, Vulkan has incredible performance

[stark anvil]

I should see if it’s still a thing I guess, could have been something with windows/drivers at the time.

[cold basin]

Witcher 3 RenoDX HDR

[stark anvil]

But it wasn’t a frame time issue and it didn’t exist in Vulkan

[night pond]

If this ever gets fixed then the mod is perfect

[stark anvil]

[plush ember]

Witcher 3 needs patch for dx 12 optimisation

[cold basin]

[cold basin]

wouldve been nice

[spring crown]

I saw someone in the DF Discord claiming that setting CPU priority to high doubles the 1% lows in DX12
Might be a snake oil
I'm planning to replay it once I'm done with RDR1, I will check for meself

[cold basin]

Ohno I just had pink candles

[tall merlin]

cinema

[tall merlin]

the 3rd attempt is what grabbed me, it took me years to get into it but im really glad i stayed

apparently rdr2 dx12 has an issue tho with the timcycle being insanely fast or something so i prob wouldnt bother using reno for it

this is all one playthrough, the last attempt. it took me some time to get there but fuck it was so good

after chapter 1 things open up a lot more and you have the option to explore literally anywhere

doing my first witcher 3 playthrough now and im just gonna make myself stick with it because i know itll pay off

everyone talks about it like they talk about rdr2 and if theyre even remotely similar in quality itll be worth it

[proper valve]

It is worth it

But a lot of references will go over your head as they reference not only events of witcher 2 and 1 but the books at times also. But not to the point you don’t understand whats going on

[tall merlin]

yea i assumed as much. i do want to go back to play them but optimally i will need to get into w3 first. i have some what of an idea of what the story up to witcher 3 has been like so at least i am not fully in the dark

[kind crescent]

Witcher 3 is basically a sequel to the books. Most of Witcher 1 and 2 is irrelevant to 3.

[stark anvil]

yeah that's also true. You definitely don't have to play the other games for the story in 3 to make sense, but for me anyway playing 2 before 3 made me inherently interested in these characters. I think the opening to tw3 kinda requires trust in the writing

[night yarrow]

Witcher 1 and 2 are mid games

no need to play anyway

[rare scroll]

if you count inflation they are now very good games

[night yarrow]

gameplay inflation

nah its finewine

not inflation

[stark anvil]

it's been a while since I played it but tw2 is probably still fine enough

tw1 is simply too jank for me

[night yarrow]

ya

tw1 is like

below mid

[rare scroll]

tbh tw1 has its own charm

[stark anvil]

it does

it's just not in the gameplay

[night yarrow]

every game has its charm

[stark anvil]

yeah? every game?

even sex with hitler?

[rare scroll]

yeah even combat mods barley make it playable

[night yarrow]

hitler is the charm

[night yarrow]

it was a big issue for arpg games back then

super janky combat

though idk if witcher games should be considered as arpg

[rare scroll]

good thing its getting a remake

a game that makes sense to remake

gameplay and lore wise

[stark anvil]

yeah, game most in need of a remake

[night yarrow]

will it run as bad as w3 next gen

[stark anvil]

cause game part bad but the rest of it is interesting

[night yarrow]

[quiet sandal]

demake with censorship

[stark anvil]

though the writing is definitely uh...video game 2000s I guess

[night yarrow]

with UE5 performance

[quiet sandal]

well you wont have a whole studio working on it for years only to get pulled underthe rug becasue of le war

[night yarrow]

and 500% bloom

[quiet sandal]

E33 effect and its consequences

[night yarrow]

1000% fog

[quiet sandal]

anti soul gas

The way fog is blended in nearly every UE5slopper is terrible

[night yarrow]

UE5 hurt gaming

[quiet sandal]

Pumbo's Oklab fog blend carrying hard atm

[night yarrow]

TI was RIGHT

[quiet sandal]

sooo

W3 update was a cope

[night yarrow]

it is

[quiet sandal]

W3 NG CPU perf isnt getting upgraded

[night yarrow]

its left broken

till 10 years later a demake happen

UE7 demake

[proper valve]

yes and no because what happens in W2 directly impacts how you perceive certain characters etc, I didnt play W2 btw, just saw those mega boring essays on the story lmao, just read the books

[proper valve]

actually cant wait for the remake : >

[unreal badge]

checked my numbers too, apparently 1,200 hours W3 on Steam + 500 on GOG

neither RDR1 nor 2 work for me, no idea why, can't bring myself to play through once (so far).

[cold basin]

Hope the Tw1 remake will be good, I tried 1 as well and yeah…

[rose whale]

Pfft

[cold basin]

I’ll beat that soon

Today actually

[rose whale]

I played witcher 3 4x in the last 2 years how are you even that close? Comparing torches all day

[cold basin]

Well

120 hours or so

I had from my first attempt

[abstract tulip]

I love it, despite the jank

[cold basin]

Which I had dropped when I got sick with colitis ulcerosa/ulcerative colitis and couldn’t play for 2 months atleast

And then 50 hours probably just went into testing a bunch of different Reno builds and finding good settings

[abstract tulip]

https://youtu.be/bJEnLLfwrAM?si=wpSXKyeUK1PU2OAl

atmosphere is incredible

I'm also a big fan of Sapkowski's books and the first game always felt closest to the short story collections, The Last Wish & Sword of Destiny

[cold basin]

And then also some time ofc goes to my screenshots since I like to play around with the photo mode to get interesting images and angles etc

[stark anvil]

finding some conditions where luminance tonemapping with per channel chrominance/hue is just not holding up compared to straight up per channel

none of the hue methods get red right

still worth it overall I think

this deep red sky is cooked though

actually maybe it's not a hue method thing...

maybe I just need rgb max tonemapping?

yeah that fixes it

idk if that'll be weird in other ways though...

quick and dirty test with lilium's tonemapping shader

@tribal sable curious if you'd have any advice for dealing with this problem

[tribal sable]

What I’ve been doing is taking some hue and chrominance from per channel reinhardpiecewiseextended() and then doing max channel at the end

[stark anvil]

okay cool, that's where I've arrived

[tribal sable]

Are you blowing out and hue shifting in the tonemap shader

[stark anvil]

doing it at the end before display mapping

[tribal sable]

You could try doing just the blowout in the tonemap shader

[stark anvil]

I think I tried that and it looked better to give bloom the full color

other than this situation where it's a bright ass color I guess

[cold basin]

i found pink candles yesterday

in novigrad at night,

[stark anvil]

hopefully switching to max channel will work better

[cold basin]

whats weird tho is that other nights its not as bad

but lut grading had no impact

so im not sure

why the candles look different just based on weather? would be my guess

thing is when i set it to vanilla they look normal

[cold basin]

are you perchance working on that today?

im available to test for like next 8-10 hours

[stark anvil]

yeah, I just haven't done this before and have apparently made a mistake that I'm not seeing lmao

cursed output

[cold basin]

no worries

I'll go back to the reinhard build for now

my beloved

[abstract tulip]

is the latest snapshot build the last "stable" build or what should I use rn

[stark anvil]

snapshot is same as release

I have links in the pins

[kind crescent]

If you play W2 and then W3 you will feel whiplash as all the major plotlines from W2 get dropped and relegated to a few side quests in W3. All the politics, kings, racism stuff W2 centred around is just not the focus of W3, even though at the time it felt like Witcher 2 was setting up a lot of things to be used in the sequel. I think after finishing W2 they pivoted hard to the wild hunt in order to have a more actiony story that would appeal to mainstream.

[stark anvil]

sorry I had to get up for a while lol. I fixed what I did stupidly, let me just make sure the new build works and I'll post

it did indeed fix that problem

[stark anvil]

okay ran into another issue to figure out, but I did now lol

• UI polish
• tonemap by max channel instead of by luminance

now it should be a proper per channel replacement

something still seems off about luminance behavior but I don't know if max channel is just kinda like that or not

nah lilium's version of this looks better, guess I need to learn a little more

[tribal sable]

ya max channel darkens pure r,g,b more

forcing hue shifts makes it brighter

[stark anvil]

what I'm noticing actually seems unrelated to this code. I really need to go through and cleanup my code in this game...

[stark anvil]

alright I think I'm just making up problems at this point

[cold basin]

bruh didnt see it

ill test now

Oh wow

Looks promising.. ill run this for a bit and see if i run into any issues

[tall merlin]

thanks for working on it so much, almost obsessively 😭 its crazy how many changes you've made

cant wait to test later

[cold basin]

i'll have to donate to bro again smh

[cold basin]

i complained too much kek

[quiet sandal]

RenoDXlets when....

We've suprassed the 'just fixing HDR'

[cold basin]

Jon aint ready when he wakes up

||-# im sori||

its not super bad though, like a minute later the sun looks diff and it doesnt have that weird spot anymore

but yeah filmic is completely cooked here

other than that im really happy with it so far

even candles looking good now

[cold basin]

i dont fucking understand this game

sometimes the candles look absolutely perfect

other times its fucked pink hues

like.. ?

??????????????????????

HUUUUUHH
why the fuck are there 2 candle flames that look completely diff

yet they look nearly identical in SDR

genuinely tweaking rn

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shaking-head-gif-21797829

[tall merlin]

yea its genuinely strange

literally just experienced this

[cold basin]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-out-crashing-out-crash-cat-cat-meme-gif-3797735486230472207

i always thought maybe its like weather dependent or sumn, this is the first time ive actually seen them side by side on one chandelier completely different like that

[night yarrow]

you have to mod the candle textures

🤷‍♂️

some of them are pink

some of them arent

[cold basin]

Hello ChatGPT, pls make some new slop candle textures

[cold basin]

they look normal in SDR though

im not sure thats it

[night yarrow]

ya because sdr uses per channel tonemapping

blows out them to orange

or yellow

use broken colors to compensate for borked tonemapping

that how the industry is

they probable used different textures for candles

these are some of the fire textures in dark souls remastered

[cold basin]

yeh

[night yarrow]

the ultimate solution is moddding those pink textures

[proper valve]

And some candles seem to be in sdr also not hdr. I just learned to ignore it lol

[stark anvil]

If someone wants to fuck with them, I’ve got them from setting up redkit

[tall merlin]

so many of my candles look like theyre in sdr yeah

not a massive deal but it is noticeable

doesnt rly take away anything

[stark anvil]

Every time I go to see about fixing the candles, I get side tracked by something else

[quiet sandal]

I've done texture work

So you can send to meeee

but I am playing POE soo I dunno when I'll came back

You'll also have to package them and Yadda yadda

What format are they in?

[stark anvil]

I’ll upload em here when I get a chance (maybe tonight)

Can’t remember format etc

[cold basin]

hows new season

i wont get into it until im done with witcher

[cold basin]

maybe i can figure something out with tha help of AI telling me what to do

[tribal sable]

how are you hue shifting

like if you're doing a tonemap with a shoulder at 1 for example, maybe lower the shoulder so hue shifting starts earlier

[stark anvil]

Reinhard piecewise at 0.18f shoulder.

For some reason some of the candles in the game just aren’t very bright

[cold basin]

i dont even care about that tbh

and brightness doesnt seem to dictate whether or not it hueshifts to pink i dont think

because adding tons of hdr boost or contrast etc doesnt make the rather normal candles shift pink

[night yarrow]

its hue shifted to from pink to orange

The texture is pink

its orange in sdr because sdr uses a per channel tonemapper that does pink to orange

if its itm then per channel will hue shift orange to pink like the hdr boost slider (i think that was changed?)

[stark anvil]

I wonder how it would work to split the difference between luminance and max channel 🤔

Like maybe a little hue clipping wouldn’t be noticeable

[unreal badge]

me so happy I can barely make out these candle troubles in game. Though it is getting harder with each example here, haha. Reno looks great to me, very enjoyable to play.

[stark anvil]

Gonna have to add a slider and play with it (and figure out the invalid stuff above…)

[cold basin]

heh

pls ping me if you put something here so i dont miss it

[stark anvil]

Alright

[cold basin]

ty

[tribal sable]

renodx::color::correct::Luminance()

[stark anvil]

oh I meant how it would look lol

I just set it up actually, just a lerp between rgb_max and y

seems like you can get away with a bit of hue clip. It's kinda splitting hairs in terms of the result though

[stark anvil]

I had to crank highlights to max and then add HDR boost up to like 30 something to get anything like this

[cold basin]

It only happened like during like a few last minutes before the sun went down fully

I’ve not seen it since

This specific one was in white orchard I’m not sure if the sun looks different per region

[stark anvil]

I'll have to keep an eye out for it

and yeah it would likely be dependent on a host of conditions

[cold basin]

I was in the Nilfgaardian camp because I wanted to check candles there since they are some of the most atrocious and then saw that sun

[stark anvil]

not gonna add a slider for this, seems like a trap to give people

[cold basin]

Hm

[stark anvil]

likewise I may remove hue method. ictcp works the best for this by far

[cold basin]

Did you make any progress with the candles? This doesn’t really sound like it

[stark anvil]

this wasn't for that

[cold basin]

Yeah I think that’s a good idea

[cold basin]

My bad

Oh was it for the nans

[stark anvil]

nah it was because max channel dims a good bit on saturated colors

so I was thinking it might be worth a little bit of hue clip

[cold basin]

Ah

[stark anvil]

basically, by luminance uses an average of the channels, so with bright saturated colors, you get hue clipping and it kinda smears together

max channel avoids that but is more aggressive tonemapping

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

the slider I was thinking about is basically moving along a line between luminance and max channel

the reason I say it's a trap is because luminance will look nice and punchy and better until it doesn't lol

[cold basin]

Heh

Yeah I don’t know if there’s like any solution to this game to make it look good across the board

[molten swift]

just have to convince yourself that they are ~magic~ pink candles and that is their intended look

[cold basin]

[molten swift]

hahahahah yep

[cold basin]

I might have cooked something up regarding the candles shifting

Will I have broken something else in the process? Probably 💀

https://tenor.com/view/crash-bandicoot-woah-whoa-crash-bandicoot-woah-meme-gif-21548361

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbUVaCEih3M

[cold basin]

SDR | Reno adjusted | Reno Recommended
(November Build)

[woven yacht]

this shot is wonderful

[cold basin]

[gusty silo]

druid is a ton of fun, i love being wolf pack

[proper valve]

What settings did you ise

Latest build Jon posted here?

[heady dune]

I have some interesting progress.

[cold basin]

What’s diff?

[heady dune]

hahaha the light affects the rain particles.

[cold basin]

Hm I see, yeah iunno if I like that actually, would have to see it in motion

In screenshots you can tell that the rain just looks weird

Like the texture of the rain particle

[heady dune]

I admit I exaggerated the effect for the capture.

My objective is to achieve the same rain result as blitz fx

[cold basin]

I see

When release

You didn’t even ping me for the last update like I asked 😭

I only saw it like yesterday

[proper valve]

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

well, figured out the issue with dof I think

might require me to make some other fixes

[stark anvil]

whoops, just realized I left some code in a shader from experimentation that I didn't mean to

from one of the test builds, wasn't in a release build

god this dof shader sucks

it's got weird artifacts completely unrelated to renodx too

[stark anvil]

another test build, perhaps a release candidate

• fix dof and probably some other behaviors in post processing (sunshafts look different, need more testing)
• remove hue method option
• update purist preset to have slightly less blowout/hue shifting
• add warning message in intermediate/advanced menus

@cold basin

so this was a lie

bloom/sunshafts need another tuning pass now

hm, maybe not

[gusty silo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-looking-back-and-forth-gif-10820822

[cold basin]

So do I test this or nah

[stark anvil]

Please do if you want lol

The maybe not was just cause bloom/sunshafts seem good as they are

[cold basin]

DOF works?

[stark anvil]

Yes

[cold basin]

Pog

[stark anvil]

Sunshafts are more intense

[cold basin]

In photo mode too?

Or just cutscenes

[stark anvil]

I think motion blur might work better

[stark anvil]

I actually only tested in photo mode

[cold basin]

I do use the motion blur, not sure if it was bad in any way

[stark anvil]

The fix wasn’t even in those shaders, it was something stupid I did

[cold basin]

Looked good to me

[stark anvil]

Yeah same

[cold basin]

I’ll boot the game up in a bit, just woke up

Yes it’s 2AM my sleep schedule is beyond cooked

[stark anvil]

Basically, whole post processing pipeline might have been off in terms of transparency and any calculations using them

Cause I’m dumb

[quiet sandal]

what if

[cold basin]

Noo u not

[quiet sandal]

you just leave

just accept that the game is cooked

[cold basin]

Forge

Gtfo

[quiet sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/we-don't-care-gif-1061575578920733370

[stark anvil]

If it’s trivial for you to test in one of the broken cutscenes, that would be cool. Will save me the trouble of loading up someone else’s save lol

[cold basin]

I have a save like right before the Triss scene

In the witchhunter house

That one was broken

Can test that

[stark anvil]

Alright. A dude on nexus sent me his save I just haven’t tested yet

But given the nature of the problem I think it’ll be fixed

[cold basin]

Yeh don’t worry I’ll do

[stark anvil]

I’d be surprised if its a different shader

[cold basin]

Same tbh

It looked the same as how the photo mode breaks

[cold basin]

Yeah, sadly candles still fucked and I can’t unfucked them on the recent builds…

I have to finish a quest first before I can test cutscenes

It’s the gwent high stakes tournament and I couldn’t save before the 3rd gwent battle, only got a checkpoint

[stark anvil]

I don’t understand why it would be so different between these builds…

Adding more per channel blowout should do it

[cold basin]

Yeah if I tell you what I did on the an older build I think you’ll kill me

It’s so simple

[stark anvil]

What is that?

[cold basin]

It came to me when I saw the tooltip for the Hue correction slider

[stark anvil]

I mean I can put the hue correction slider back in if you need it

[cold basin]

Yes please if that’s simple to do

[stark anvil]

Sure (though it requires me running tonemapping a third time lol)

[cold basin]

Btw I think there’s some sort of memory leak or so happening with Reno

[stark anvil]

The game has something like that on its own

[cold basin]

Because if I play around with it enough I sometimes get like freezes or extremely low frame rates until it crashes

Nah I think this is Reno related because it often happens when I change too much stuff. Or sometimes when I move some sliders all of a sudden ultra low fps

Sometimes it catches itself and goes back to normal

Other times it will crash

[stark anvil]

Doesn’t make much sense to me, I think it’s coincidental.

[cold basin]

Perhaps

Just an observation

[cold basin]

Is that bad ?

[stark anvil]

Moving sliders wouldn’t do anything to memory, that space is already allocated just by having the slider

[stark anvil]

Not really, just slower

I can just run it only when the slider >0

[cold basin]

How much we talking in terms of ms

[stark anvil]

It doesn’t really matter lol

Also not too sure

Not much

[cold basin]

oge

@stark anvil

when new build

https://tenor.com/view/popcat-wen-gif-23885304

-# jk :P

[stark anvil]

sorry, was busy lol

will post in a few min

[cold basin]

Lol no worries haha, thank you tho

[stark anvil]

• add hue correction back

@cold basin

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

should solve your problem

maybe it's ideal for the purist preset too

[cold basin]

it should be

im not sure how i didnt think of it earlier, like i said it only occured to me when i saw the tool tip

i never really tried using it above like 40-50 before

[stark anvil]

making me realize I should probably add more tooltips

[cold basin]

[cold basin]

seems to work identical to the old builds, very good

Thank you very much

I’ll send you a dono on kofi later for all the extra work you put in

❤️

[stark anvil]

you certainly don't have to lol

[cold basin]

I want to

[earnest rain]

i think jon has put more work into this witcher mod than pretty much any other mod lol

[stark anvil]

for sure

[earnest rain]

even other people included

[stark anvil]

no clue lol

I'm not sure if the per channel hue shift slider needs to exist

it seems like it pretty much needs to be maxed for per channel blowout to do what it needs to do

[cold basin]

i would keep it, can tweak it better

atleast im playing around with it now

or well i guess for public build removing the slider can be simpler i guess, but i also wouldn't wanna keep asking you for extra builds with sliders from you every time you update it, though not sure what you'd even update at this point

[stark anvil]

pretty much just fixing bloom properly

went over tooltips and slider names again

[cold basin]

yeah or maybe we get a even better tonemapper or whatever

in the future

here you can see as well how cooked the igni decal stuff looked before

it was just red pink

[stark anvil]

hmmmmm I might have an idea for improving hue correction some

[cold basin]

what ya thinking of

[stark anvil]

doing a blend so the correction is strongest on the brightest parts of SDR and a lot weaker on the rest

[cold basin]

if you do that... is it possible to have both in 1 build so i can compare better

just for testing

[stark anvil]

sure

[cold basin]

https://tenor.com/view/based-oshawott-moth-pokemon-monster-catcher-gif-17007711878810758710

I'll be gone for an hour or so

[stark anvil]

it's mostly a subtle difference

it's subtle but it's pretty good ngl

think this will be how I keep it, but I'll post the build with the toggle for comparison sake as requested lol

• update slider names and tooltips
• add hue correction bias toggle (temporary)
• updated purist preset

@cold basin

[cold basin]

poggies

ill check in a bit, at the store rn

gotta buy some snackies

for me and cat

[stark anvil]

75 hue correction with highlight bias

75 hue correction without highlight bias

hue correction off

[cold basin]

might be onto something, subtle though

[stark anvil]

looks more natural at higher values

[cold basin]

higher values of what

hue correction?

[stark anvil]

yeah

seems like a win, it fixes candles still

[cold basin]

i'll report my findings

tho i assume you gonna be asleep very soon

[stark anvil]

I should but I'm also not tired

[cold basin]

kek

feel that

i just have the unemployment sleep schedule

gonna go sleep at like 2-3PM

[stark anvil]

oh right I should probably revert the highlights slider back to v1 behavior

[stark anvil]

eh, I'll just keep it

[cold basin]

hm whats the downside of keeping it like it is now?

[stark anvil]

It’s super aggressive on already bright highlights

[cold basin]

yeah ive noticed that on igni

[stark anvil]

Even just putting it to 51 will make things blowout a lot harder

[cold basin]

if i use igni and go to photo mode even 51 highlights aint good

trying new build now

@stark anvil sadly not the play for the candle issue, and if candles look like that then other hue issues are probably back with it too.

[stark anvil]

hm, guess exposure plays more of a role than I expected

candles in the kaer morhen segment at the start of the game get fixed

[cold basin]

possible

this is in the quest count reuven treasure, where you put the wine bottle to unlock a door

[stark anvil]

I don't feel like I've seen candles that pink lol

[cold basin]

yeah this is probably one of the worst spots but ive seen it in other places too

i mean you can keep the toggle i suppose

but i wont be using it

[stark anvil]

straight up hue correction to SDR just doesn't look very good

😩

[cold basin]

yeah have to play around with blowout n stuff

atleast thats what i did on the reinhard build

[stark anvil]

it'll grief basically all lights

[cold basin]

i understand that but.. the alternative is bad pink hues in other places

[stark anvil]

let me try playing around with different ways to blend this I guess

[cold basin]

i can send you the save if you want

of the place where im testing

[stark anvil]

sure

[cold basin]

1 moment

oh well i hope it works for you, kek

i run like a lot of mods

@stark anvil

its the chandelier when you load in thats right behind you

[stark anvil]

booting it up now

[cold basin]

praying the save dont crash for you xd

[stark anvil]

missing dlc_events whatever that is

[cold basin]

so cant load it

?

rip

[stark anvil]

nope

[cold basin]

probably some mod dependencies

[stark anvil]

maybe I've got a save there in my huge save list

[cold basin]

sadge, sry

dude ive amassed so many as well the past 2 weeks

[stark anvil]

I have one

[cold basin]

thats just since november 30th when i started my playthrough

well :2 since one is always the save png

but yeah 480 saves kinda crazy, im saving like alot by hand since i sometimes want to redo quests a different way n stuff

[stark anvil]

can't find it lol

[cold basin]

cant complain tbh how it looks vs sdr

And ive rather have them yellow than pink

[proud cloud]

after reading this channel i will never look at candles the same way again in hdr

[stark anvil]

lol

[cold basin]

ive had witcher 3 candle psychosis for the past 3 weeks

[stark anvil]

I've looked at so many candles and I'm just not seeing anything that bad 😭

[proud cloud]

the screenshots is pulling me back in but i already have a shitload of hours in the game.

[stark anvil]

you're using vanilla weather right @cold basin ?

[cold basin]

yesnt

better vanilla lighting or sumn its called

[stark anvil]

can you check if it's still a problem without it?

[cold basin]

sadly not as i think i cant remove it without having to fix a bunch of shit in scripts

[stark anvil]

I can load it up (I was using it before so it's trivial)

but I still have to find a cursed candle lol

[cold basin]

was it night when you checked

in the building i mentioned

[stark anvil]

I checked candles in multiple regions multiple times of day lol

outside, inside

[cold basin]

i dont get it

i mean i even had this issue when i played completely vanilla

[stark anvil]

wouldn't surprise me if it's a lighting mod thing

or exacerbated by it rather

alright I'm about to start tweaking things and sending you builds if I can't find a broken candle lol

little more aggressive

@cold basin

[cold basin]

1 sec

hm

dont see anything diff

still pink xd

[stark anvil]

alright let me try adjusting it around midgray

if that doesn't work, it might as well just be full sdr

frankly I have no clue how this wouldn't work, I just thought it would be overkill

[cold basin]

ah shit i accidentally had 2 addon files in it

gonna have to test this last one again

[stark anvil]

alright

those are the last 2 builds for the night, I need to go to bed lol

[cold basin]

for sure

get some sleep big man

not as bad anymore id say

now testing midgray thign

sent wrong video smh

ok so midgray one works

but eh

i cant tell a different when toggling it on and off

so i guess you made it virtually the same

[stark anvil]

Maybe one more at the halfway point would work out. I just don’t want hue correction to be fighting with saturation correction.

[cold basin]

yeh

we can try tomorrow

[stark anvil]

@cold basin

[cold basin]

I am looking for candles again with this one?

[stark anvil]

yeah

[cold basin]

oge

checking in a sec

kek i need to come up with more names, this is getting confusing

[stark anvil]

lmao

[cold basin]

@stark anvil doesnt change the candles, only really slightly see a diff at the light that hits the wall and geralts forehead

crazy hard to tell

on the recording

candles arent pink tho, so thats good

btw on another note, the fire that comes from lighting the candles yourself is also a big problem without hue correction

as you can see here

[stark anvil]

why is this one place so pink

igni never looks like that for me really

wait why do you have per channel blowout so low

[cold basin]

ah im just experimenting on this preset

i use regular blowout here

[stark anvil]

per channel blowout is critical for flames

[cold basin]

bro its same on the presets xd

[stark anvil]

regular blowout won't get the right effect

[cold basin]

its ofc not quite as bad but still pink

purist preset just removing hue correction

bruh

does the video load for you

i keep having issues with this

[stark anvil]

yeah it just takes a bit

[cold basin]

even restarting i cant watch it

[stark anvil]

let me try something else

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

this one is reworked to work exponentially

[cold basin]

bro is quick with it

i shall name it candlesexponential.addon64

i cant load addons without rebooting the game right

[stark anvil]

correct

[cold basin]

my steam friends probably think im regarded

"why he restarting witcher 3 every 2 mins"

[stark anvil]

I stay invisible for that reason lol

[cold basin]

i do that sometimes yea

for same reason

[stark anvil]

incapable of being a normal person that boots up a game to play it

[stark anvil]

uh, let me make sure I thought the math through right lol

[cold basin]

is the math mathing

[stark anvil]

hm, I think so

[cold basin]

i mean, im happy anyways, i just wont use that highlight bias

I'll rather take the original intended SDR hues

and blow them out a little

instead of trying to work around the pink shit

[stark anvil]

I'll just keep it as the raw SDR color

[cold basin]

since its also effecting the sun and sky at sunset n shit

its not just candles

[stark anvil]

or I'll just keep the midgray one

not that it makes much of a difference

raw SDR color actually screws up the sky in toussaint btw

creates some weird distortion around clouds

[cold basin]

im nowhere near toussaint yet

im taking my sweet time with this playthrough lmao

but yeah maybe ill make a dedicated preset for myself just for that

[stark anvil]

I may play around with it more, but for now I need to focus on fixing mh wilds

[cold basin]

yeh no worries

[heady dune]

Great improvements!

[cold basin]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-laugh-gif-19431096

[unreal badge]

so I was gonna make a silly comment about invictus' one Triss video attacking Menge, but then Discord kept saying stuff like you have +300 more messages to go until you're caught up so I just hit MOVE TO MOST RECENT and skipped a bunch. Hahah 🙂 hard at work, this channel was. 👍

[unreal badge]

u r just updating it to rank up in trending mods!!! currently rank 4th. We need 4 more endorsements to get you to rank 2 with a larger preview image

[heady dune]

hahaha and those versions honestly are just test versions. These latest improvements will be the final version.

[unreal badge]

honey why did you wanna experiment with wax in the bedroom/on our unicorn all of a sudden?

ah no idea, it must be cuz of christmas coming up, suddenly seeing candles everywhere..!!111

I'm wondering -- would Triss' lighthouse scene sort of classify as "big candle"? uh-oh

[rare scroll]

[proper valve]

looks awesome! I honestly detest the "wall" of rain that just looks like a massive sprite always facing you in the distance, mainly when riding fast it looks so ridiculous loool

I've been using Realistic Rain Textures V3 gonna download yours in a bit

[stark anvil]

@cold basin

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

this is like the first one I had you test, except I'm using the HDR color to determine the blend amount.

[cold basin]

[cold basin]

looks good

[stark anvil]

cool. It helps to avoid kinda undoing sat correction as well

[cold basin]

yeah i noticed, i like it

[cold basin]

can see the improvements to saturation correction on the wall very well

[stark anvil]

Alright, I guess that will be how it works.

Well, I need to test in toussaint I guess

[cold basin]

inb4 everything broken

[stark anvil]

finally got to test it, works better on the sky

still a bit awkward but probably only in a way where you see it as you move the slider

[stark anvil]

finally ready to call all this work a v3.0 release. Here are the changes compared to the last verison on nexus:

• Change tonemapper to Hermite Spline
• Tonemap by max channel by default, with per channel chrominance/hue
• Add per channel blowout/hue sliders for more direct grading control regardless of peak/game brightness when using max channel tone map scaling
• Improve HDR Boost math and run it by luminance
• Upgrade SDR tonemapper to HDR using tonemap extrapolation
• Slight improvements to saturation correction thanks to tonemap extrapolation
• Fix bug from previous releases in tonemapping shaders, improving post processing quality and fixing DOF in photo mode and a few cutscenes
• Improve hue correction to bias towards highlights
• Update highlights and shadows slider behavior
• Adjust some names/tooltips for clarity
• Update presets accordingly

realizing I didn't test SDR yet

yeah I need to fix SDR, oh well that won't impact anybody here

[stark anvil]

okay figured out what was griefing better SDR support this whole time (I'm just dumb and it went to 8 bit right before UI)

[cold basin]

[cold basin]

has there been any changes to the last test im running atm?

[stark anvil]

not that you need to worry about

[cold basin]

oge

[stark anvil]

removed that option and cleaned up some extra shaders that don't need to be included (file size went down)

[cold basin]

man i have like 4 save files that all have very different looking cfires, some more reddish some more orange some more blown out

im cycling between them and trying to get a good balance

actual pain

i need like a live view of all 4 at the same time

[stark anvil]

oh, this complicates things a bit on my end

[cold basin]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[stark anvil]

may need more testing

this realization means reworking where tonemapping happens

which means gathering shaders I could ignore before

[stark anvil]

• substantially improved SDR support

this required restructuring some code and adding new shaders. If anybody is willing to test this (in HDR, no SDR testing is needed really), it would be greatly appreciated. Potential problems would be tonemapping/grading sliders not working (I went to every region and it seems good though).

it's otherwise the same as 3.0 above

[rare scroll]

zoro vs kaguya

i wouldn't see something like this even in my wildest dreams

[cold basin]

even less so in this channel

[rare scroll]

chef jon really cooked

[plush ember]

Wrong channel😅

[night yarrow]

per channel blowout 80 looks better

with 70 theres still some pink in the flames

[cold basin]

not that simple sadly xd

[night yarrow]

[cold basin]

shit can look vastly different

depending on time of day location weather inside outside etc

trust me ive been fiddling with this shit for weeks

[night yarrow]

time for jon to remaster all the broken textures

[cold basin]

theres a bunch of shit to fix.. sun/sky, all fire textures, ember textures, igni etc etc

not sure how the bloom effects work, might need to be fixed too

for now its just simpler to use hue correction

to make it closer to what the SDR reference looks like

[proper valve]

shouldn't that be the job of LMs and other mods?

[rare scroll]

its the job of cdpr

literary

[proper valve]

that ship has sailed, that's why I said mods 😄

[night yarrow]

its the job of all devs

stop using broken colors to compensate for broken per channel tonemapping

fucking nonsense

[vapid sentinel]

Hi, I just tried the nexusmod version and the latest snapshot version, but I only have the SDR preset, no HDR look or filmic. Is there something wrong with my setup?

[stark anvil]

It’s a bug that crops up from time to time and some mods/overlays make it worse. Just switch to windowed mode and back and it should be fixed

Are you by any chance using special k?

[vapid sentinel]

nope

[stark anvil]

HDR enabled in windows?

[vapid sentinel]

yes, and witcher 3 from gog

[stark anvil]

Hmmm

Next gen version in dx12?

[vapid sentinel]

now after restarting PC I have the 3 presets Recommended Purist and Filmic o_O

can nvidia overlay broke things?

[stark anvil]

Do you have brightness sliders?

[stark anvil]

Sometimes yeah. I keep it disabled

[vapid sentinel]

now Yes, I have brightness slider too, before I saw only SDR preset and no sliders

[cold basin]

Weird, never had that

I use the NVIDIA overlay 24/7 because of recording n stuff

[stark anvil]

Idk if it messes anything up here, I just know it does mess up mods every once in a while

It broke dying light with renodx iirc

[cold basin]

Haven’t played DL yet

Never had any Reno break from NVIDIA overlay but good to know I suppose

[night yarrow]

the nvidia overlay is always pretty buggy for me

i just use frameview seperately

[vapid sentinel]

maybe it's just the order in which you open the overlays that's breaking the GUI. I only use the overlay to see the FPS, watts, and frequencies.

oh, and by the way, thanks a lot for the support

[stark anvil]

This reminds me, in case anybody wants to know, this is the math for what peak value that slider maps to.

float calculated_peak = (0.01f * pow(100.f - CUSTOM_SCENE_GRADE_PER_CHANNEL_BLOWOUT, 2.f));

1 = SDR

[night yarrow]

90 = SDR ?

[stark anvil]

Yes

SDR strictly speaking, not necessarily what the game’s tonemapper does

Hm, actually that gives me an idea…

Yeah if this works how I’m thinking, might just solve the cursed candles

Will have to test today

[night yarrow]

if it doesnt work its time to force Forge to mod the textures

[stark anvil]

alright I may have cooked

I'll have to change the value used in presets after a bit of testing, but this is a winner

• change per channel blowout slider to be modified by vanilla midgray and peak

a value of 90 is pretty much a perfect match for SDR hues, should someone want that. No need for the hue correction slider now I guess
edit: nah 90's not ideal at all, it desaturates more

this change seems to make it so 80-85 would be ideal I think?

obligatory @cold basin. Try it out with hue correction at 0

doing this should also make it so per channel basically has no purpose being offered anymore since it was never an option for me to do something like this with it

hmmm maybe I should try dice instead

[stark anvil]

Nah this seems to be the way to go.

[proper valve]

decided to try this one but seeing this. Only filmic preset is fine

[stark anvil]

the per channel option was broken in that one I found out

I didn't see that with max channel

[proper valve]

aaah

[stark anvil]

got the gamut unclamped. Doesn't actually look very different in practice but measurements go crazy

[cold basin]

Bet that’s only shadowed area gamut xd

[cold basin]

Interesting I’ll try it out tonight

[stark anvil]

I'll probably have another build lol

and yeah it's mostly in shadow, but also sky/fire pushes it

taking another crack at the photo mode shader now

[unreal badge]

I get the green stuff on Max Channel, too. For me it is like what Nostromo said: presets (1) Recommended and (2) Purist have green artifacts. Only preset (3) Filmic does not.

[stark anvil]

it'll be fixed when I post a new build I'm pretty sure

I think I already fixed it

[dim wyvern]

Anyone come across bushes appearing lit while in shadow with RT Shadows on? I'm guessing the only fix is turning RT Shadows off

RT Shadows = off

[proper valve]

Yes, affects pickable plants. Halk Hogan from HDRP said it’s an issue with NG, unfixable

[rare scroll]

did you try the RT improvement mod

[dim wyvern]

Yeah, I've tried a few options, thanks for the suggestion though. I shall soldier on with RT Shadows turned off.

[rugged nest]

Don’t use RT shadows. They are broken

And it’s free fps for better visual quality

[unreal badge]

me thinks there were drawbacks to either shadow variant, though I forgot what the worst aspect of the non-RT shadows were. Possibly more shadow flickering? I'll play a bit maybe I'm lucky and not notice.

[proper valve]

I always found issues with both nonRT and RT shadows. Overall RT shadows is worth it IMO. This NG update is just an absolute mess so it is what it is

[proper valve]

did you remove the mod from nexus? was just about to try it lool

[rare scroll]

this fixes most issues with rt shadows
https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/8865

[heady dune]

Yes, forget it. I'm about to finish the final version, completely different.

[proper valve]

soon?

[stark anvil]

photo mode "fixed" in the sense that I've disabled their vignette and grading sliders (I doubt either will be missed)

Frankly I lack the patience to get it working properly and so did CDPR

[cold basin]

where build

[stark anvil]

• unlock native WCG
• fix invalid artifacts
• fix photo mode

[cold basin]

can do the testings now mhm yes

[stark anvil]

you'll need a higher setting than before

[cold basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cowboy-western-clint-eastwood-gun-gif-14191492

higher settings of what

[stark anvil]

per channel blowout

[cold basin]

i see

i'll mess around

again

xd

[stark anvil]

it's entirely possible I jumped the gun on getting excited about this lol

but in any case, WCG is here now and artifacts should be fixed

also limited the per channel blowout slider to 90 cause anythiing higher than that was a mistake anyway (less than sdr)

[cold basin]

yeah that looked fucked at some point

like yellow green

[stark anvil]

if 80-85 still leaves the candle pink in that one test room, there's no point in doing this

[cold basin]

well

hue correction is still there no

that would certainl get rid of it

xd

[stark anvil]

well yeah I just mean it might as well be a fixed peak instead

[cold basin]

wym

[stark anvil]

I made the per channel blowout peak dynamic relative to the vanilla peak

[cold basin]

2deep4me

[stark anvil]

basically 90 will always tonemap to the vanilla tonemapper's peak (that doesn't mean it looks exactly like it though)

[cold basin]

i see okay

so thats why 90 will be cap too

[stark anvil]

yeah

also because I'm doing this, it's running in a different spot and has a different interaction with color grading sliders

[cold basin]

brrrr

[stark anvil]

I don't think it's a good thing but it really just depends on perspective I guess

basically increasing highlights/contrast/hdr boost won't be affected by the per channel blowout

[cold basin]

Kek been playing 200 hours or so the last 3 weeks on steam and im only just now getting done doing everything in novigrad and preparing to go to skellige

[stark anvil]

in my playthrough I'm only just now in crookback bog lmao

[cold basin]

at this rate I'll be at 500 total hours when im done

if not more

doesnt help that im fiddling alot with photo mode for screenshots when im not messing with reno

[rare scroll]

bro wtf
i did four 100% playthroughs since the game came and i only have like 400 hours

[cold basin]

i think i only actually have 90 hours or so stated in the stats menu

[cold basin]

HUH

well tbf im taking my sweet time

i dont quick travel all the time for example

i often just go by horse/foot

it also doesnt help that i have to read up on some things or replay certain quests because i realize oh shit i cant actually get all achievements if i do something this way

[stark anvil]

I was excited to be out of the test build mines and then went and did things

stupid SDR support

(actually super glad I got WCG unlocked finally though)

[cold basin]

whats native WCG do

[stark anvil]

basically nothing meaningful honestly

shadow saturation looks a little more natural but literally nobody would notice

[cold basin]

uhhh

saturation correction is fucked

[stark anvil]

?

[cold basin]

i get a bunch of black nans

[stark anvil]

weird

haven't seen that

[cold basin]

with no hue correction the candles are black too

[stark anvil]

...is this a photo mode thing?

nah, works for me

maybe I'm stupid and didn't rebuild when I thought I did, one sec

nah the build is up to date

[cold basin]

bunch of black spots

[stark anvil]

where are you?

[cold basin]

in the menu actually too wtf

[cold basin]

rn in seven cats

3pm rain

[stark anvil]

I actually did see the menu issues a bit ago

probably something else I have to fix now that the color before it isn't getting clamped to bt709

[cold basin]

the nans that i see in game are like overlayed on the menus

[stark anvil]

okay I'm seeing some

time to figure out the cause

[cold basin]

if i have 90 blow out max i can do is 40 hue correction, otherwise its fucked

actually nah even less

[stark anvil]

the problem won't be related to those things most likely

[cold basin]

well if my fucking nvidia overlay would record

i could show you

i love when this happens

prolly have to restart my pc

even though i literally just turned it on right before testing

bit of a bigger video sorry

@stark anvil

[stark anvil]

yeah I'm seeing it here. Pretty sure it's a problem with some blending that happens with this unclamped, trying to fix

[cold basin]

it even happens slightly without any sat correction fyi

[stark anvil]

been sitting here trying to fix it in the wrong permutation

wondering why nothing does anything

[cold basin]

[stark anvil]

okay figured it out

• fix nans

@cold basin

[naive bramble]

^really not an expert here with all those terms but 3.0 onwards really looks better for both presets

[stark anvil]

god this game abuses the hell out of its tonemapper

this red smearing is ridiculous

[cold basin]

poggies

[cold basin]

red smear vs piss smear