#Battle Beast General Discussion

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karmic viper
velvet echo
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"Killing you is not even going to be fun."

rugged herald
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...huh? Why'd we delete the old fighter forums?

rugged herald
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Ah well, don't have a way to record right now but
Meter positive no resource combos from grounded normal starters:
(2L/5L/2M/5M ->) 5H -> 236L -> 5H -> 2H -> jc.M -> j.H -> j.236L -> j.2H -> 236H
Can add 623M loops between the j.2H and 236H if you want to dump boost meter. Don't have one for 2H yet, 2H -> jc.L -> j.M -> j.H -> j.236L -> j.L -> j.M -> j.2H -> 236H is the closest I've got but it doesn't build a full bar.

Edit: for the Standard control users out there, (2L/5L/2M/5M ->) 5H -> 6S -> 5H -> 2H -> jc.M -> j.H -> j.6S -> j.2H -> 6HS

solid ocean
rugged herald
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Would be neat to compare and contrast.

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Or at least to be able to test all the old tech without having to go from memory.

solid ocean
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Yeah I hear ya, kinda makes sense to start fresh though

alpine swallow
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Hi, New Battle Beast player here, what's his BNBs?

rugged herald
rugged herald
alpine swallow
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Yeah, I see thanks

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By the way, it seems this game has combo limit

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So as long as I hit the combo limit, that should be optimal right?

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end combo with supers

rugged herald
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Also supers.

alpine swallow
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I see

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Battle Beast is so fun to play

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Does he have a invincible DP that is safe on block? lol

rugged herald
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Unless I’m very mistaken, no. He has neutral special (214L) that comes with armor, but it isn’t frame 1.

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It is safe on block, I believe.

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I think the armor on forward super (236H) is frame 1? Take me with a grain of salt there.

alpine swallow
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He is like Uvogin in hunter hunter lol

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If you ever played that game

solid ocean
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I'll post a few combos give me a few minutes

rugged herald
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I’m currently sitting at a Guilty Gear/Tekken tournament waiting for casuals to end so I can take my setup home and lab more.

solid ocean
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Here's some combo ideas starting from his armor special, low medium start, jumping down heavy and a back throw combo

alpine swallow
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How did you reduce the combo meter? I guess boost specials?

solid ocean
mental dock
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Swapping 6S/236Ls with 5S/214Ls is a bit more damage, same with j2H with jH if you don't plan on doing 623H/2SB loops.

mental dock
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Air super just seems to be way better for damage.

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Specifically 1 bar refund obv.

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There's some better stuff for less meter build.

quaint nexus
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what team are yall battle beast mains using?

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im using conquest and titan

mental dock
tepid iron
solid ocean
mental dock
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2M 214L instead of 5M 236L.

pastel oyster
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can someone teach me how to get incredibly good with this sexy beast?

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i want to feel [Title Card]

fossil kettle
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Best I've found off a fast confirm solo
2L2L 5H 214L 5H 214L 5MH BDC 5H 214L 5H BDC 214L 5MH BDC 2H JMH 214L J2H into your choice of super, builds about 2.25 bars and is 500+ with lvl1, 700+ with lvl3

pastel oyster
deep tendon
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howw do i counter this loop up downslam loop im keep getting put in

acoustic stone
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yo who gave this character helmbreaker

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based

mental dock
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I'll look a bit into what more routing changes you'd be able to make.

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8 more damage so like it's whatever lmao.

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Bit more with 5M instead of 5H near the end.

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493 before super instead of 488 (5H) / 480 (old route).

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I'll look at more tomorrow.

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From what I'm seeing there's two damage scalings at hand in combos, hit count (obviously) and normal (amount of times you've hit that specific button, crouching or otherwise, though 2H is not part of that)

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So your combo just hit 5H too many times to the point 5M does more damage.

acoustic stone
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remember this isn't safe on block at -16, so jabs will punish you

toxic root
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is back super a command grab or a hitgrab im curious

void garden
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U wish he has a command grab tbh

void garden
acoustic stone
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Idk the input

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Also it is good, f9 instant overhead is crazy good, the only character I’ve played that has anything similar is Robot

void garden
void garden
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Also of u have any tips lmk

mental dock
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If anyone wants to find better damage do ping me if you do.

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Helped me learn about how scaling works which is nice.

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But I ran out of ideas lol.

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5L at the end pretty goated.

void garden
acoustic stone
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i havent played online admittedly with him since I picked him up yesterday and was just labbing setups and confirms but i think imma keep him

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also he has haggar pipe so yeah

sturdy ginkgo
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you have no idea how much fun i have playing battle beast

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did a 100% hp combo with him and hit silver

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new to fighters

acoustic stone
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my team is looking like ella/bb/robot maybe

sturdy ginkgo
acoustic stone
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also not opposed to ella/robot/bb if he's actually decent on anchor but I think robot has better mix to open up

acoustic stone
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tho i dont like bulletproof rn but only cause of the dumb active tag bug

sturdy ginkgo
acoustic stone
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neat

sturdy ginkgo
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does all of their hp

acoustic stone
sturdy ginkgo
sturdy ginkgo
acoustic stone
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oooh j2m (jump down medium) got it

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wait im dumb thats just 236l nvm im extra dumb

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seems p nice

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wait bulletproof air active tag lowers combo meter? huge

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i thought it was bugged

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ooooh its cause u did get max combo meter i think?

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oh weird it seems to work fine

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idk it works fine

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this does give me an idea tho

sturdy ginkgo
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you just gotta hit the first down heavy

mental dock
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Tags greatly lower combo meter since they can be countered.

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I'll uhhh make a thread for optimal bnbs Specifically.

mental dock
void garden
acoustic stone
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Hes just good in general

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I think Robot has diabolical mix when he gets in and his neutral isnt terrible due to his massive buttons

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a f9 instant overhead that can lead into more 50/50s is really good

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Idk if I want him or rex tho

tough thunder
acoustic stone
tough thunder
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its a good haggar pipe though, idk if id call it helmbreaker cause the hitbox isnt really the same

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plus his forward special is frame 9 lmao

marsh swift
marsh swift
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Why do you think Robot synergies well with BB?

mental dock
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BB struggles in neutral aside from his godly j2H (kinda jH).

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Robot doesn't specifically synergise with BB just any neutral assist will be godly and Robot's is one of the best.

acoustic stone
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Im dumb af cause I did all my testing on a tall character

What I should’ve said is that his jump in is f*cking incredible

acoustic stone
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But yeah neutral assist and BB’s throw sets up a hard kd which robots back assist can easily meaty allowing for mix

solid ocean
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BB jump 2M is pretty good too you can cross up with it

acoustic stone
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Yee I like doing it after a throw

acoustic stone
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Robot has the better assist but Rex has the better point capabilities

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Rex zoning is p damn good, especially against the airdashers

acoustic stone
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Im gonna run rex, my local is hosting a bracket tonight so ill stick with robot but ill play rex from then on

acoustic stone
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Actually imma stick with robot

mental dock
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I think robot assist is pretty insane to get in (and everything else).

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Rex is pretty good as well but I feel like it's better to use back assist and control an area.

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Neutral just doesn't have as much lockdown but it's good to cover all approaches and push them back (again, being annoying fullscreen).

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I don't think it's bad with bb or anything, you can control both air and ground with them, but robot is just pretty stupid lmao.

acoustic stone
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Swag ill go robot

royal hill
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I hope the L beast user I fought in here. Aye gringo if you see this then stop relying on that wide swing and armor press😂 I’m not no amateur but aye GGs😎 “when in doubt spam” head ahh

sturdy ginkgo
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i dont know why it works but bulletproof, mark and BB, the only time i lose with this team is against cecil

devout jetty
viral barn
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what kind of assist does battle beast want when on point?

glad panther
viral barn
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Currently doing ok with allen and omniman

acoustic stone
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I think Robot is a strong assist for him, he loves the lockdown it gives, the fact he can approach behind, and the meaty setups of his throw. Eve is good too since it clears the screen of any projectiles for the most part and gives him something to approach behind.

Tldr anything to help him approach or to help meaty off his hard knockdown

glad panther
scenic turret
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I really like Eve and/or cecil assist

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With cecil you can get a J2M cross up after a hard knockdown

acoustic stone
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yee cecil ois strong too

sturdy ginkgo
acoustic stone
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yeah

errant valley
scenic turret
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Is that only possible with mark assist or can that work with any/most assists?

errant valley
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Bulletproof assist connects but I couldn't really do anything with it

wooden badge
neon idol
simple kelp
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How y'all feel about the situational nerf to battle beast on back super being active tag able now? I prefer the hard knockdown tag oki but there's combo potential with it now

tidal sparrow
steel juniper
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None of us was using it because it was just a move that only works when the opponent in the air and couldn't combo after using it. Mark has the same buff with his Super 2, but it's bugged at the moment.

tall leaf
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Does Battle Beast have a crumple attack?

simple kelp
steel juniper
# simple kelp when it wasnot comboable it was a safe escape for battle beast that cannot be pa...

That right there is why people were not using it. There was no safe escape about it. It was useless, but I can tell you don't play BB, so you don't know, you just saying stuff, but you don't seem to understand that it is now consistent and consistency is important than situational. Maybe in other games like Super smash bros Ultimate situational are very good, but it does not work in a game like this where combos is more important than having strategy stuff.

simple kelp
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I do play BB and that's exactly how I used it what are you talking about? Boosted down S wall bounce super 2 active tag into mark meaty overhead was my Oki how about you don't talk down on me like that and realize I used it for a specific situation. and that situation always worked because it didn't combo additional if they attempted to parry the active tag it would ALWAYS fail

steel juniper
simple kelp
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But it's a situation the character had that is now removed. if you wanted you could always use super 1 as a reversal or a combo ender into tag. Super 2 had a unique case of knockdown and safe escape WHILE keeping pressure for oki. the situation being normalized no matter which way you look at it is a nerf. not a huge one but still

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my bad I never hit send

steel juniper
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If he was a situational character why would he have super armor in most of his moves.

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Like I said before consistency is more important than situational. Especially in a 3v3 game.

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Hell doing the tagging out from hits or combos is the safe escape. We don't need a super for that when we always in people faces the whole game. This is a buff.

simple kelp
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I didn't say he's a situational character I said the super had a unique use case making it situational. For example Anissa's super 1 can be repeated with specific assists while super 2 side switching making them both situational for different use cases.

steel juniper
simple kelp
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SWITCH SIDES

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s2 switches sides

steel juniper
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She gets nothing from it by itself

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The one that truly switches sides and it's not even a super, but a special is Bullet Proof

simple kelp
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Tag out or not you switch sides which gives it a different use for different situations.
already have your opponent in the corner? don't use it so you can keep it
opponent have you in the corner and need to keep the combo short and sweet use that super and put them in the corner.

Now the thing I'm talking about with BB which is a SITUATIONAL option(not the character) where you have 2 level 1 supers both with different use cases
super 1:armored active tag comboable super con(as in the con that active tagging always) :active tag can be parried resetting to neutral
super 2: armored active tag(non comboable) super
super 2 did not have that Con. it would always fail if they attempted to parry it before this patch meaning you get a knockdown with free oki with incoming character

Now this it is normalized and both supers do the same thing you tell me how this is a buff when an option was removed(active tag oki) when the other option was always available(active tag combo)

queen compassBOT
steel juniper
# simple kelp Tag out or not you switch sides which gives it a different use for different sit...

Again this is a buff, and it was not situational it was useless, but since we are back to BB. I'll tell you what Fly, don't tag out of Super 2 end of story, the fact that you are the only one that thinks this is a nerf and you were the only one that was using it as a situational move shows how useless the move really was. Again, don't use it as a combo extender if you are that so offended of it. It is now consistent where everyone can use it. You should just be happy that you have more options and more combo potential which is important in a 3v3 game.

simple kelp
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it removed an option not added one

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I don't think you're understanding that

steel juniper
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combo potential

simple kelp
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no you could always use the other super to do exactly what you want

steel juniper
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stop talking out of your butt right now

simple kelp
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you can't combo off the other super?

steel juniper
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We don't need to keep using Super 1 for everything.

simple kelp
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No no

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see you can combo with super 1

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so it removed an option

steel juniper
simple kelp
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and that was the point

simple kelp
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you see what I mean yet?

steel juniper
simple kelp
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that's fine

steel juniper
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Not for everyone

simple kelp
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you Don't need 2

steel juniper
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If you don't want to use it as a extender than don't use it as a extender

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You have that option

simple kelp
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cause what does the second one do?
more damage? nope
better oki? not anymore

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how is 1 super that you can combo extend with a problem if you had another super that you could use for a different situation?

steel juniper
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You keep thinking they nerfed the damage, they didn't

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They only made it tagable

simple kelp
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the thing you want to do (super tag combo) was always possible
the thing you never realized you could do which is a good thing to do is no longer possible

steel juniper
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But you still do it if you want

simple kelp
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how is it useless?

simple kelp
steel juniper
simple kelp
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no you can't

steel juniper
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Yes you can

simple kelp
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cause it will combo now rather than leave them knocked down for oki

steel juniper
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Just don't tag out simple

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Treat it like a mixup

simple kelp
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So you see how I said INCOMING mix

steel juniper
simple kelp
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No I'm saying it's a nerf because incoming mix is gone

simple kelp
steel juniper
simple kelp
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It's literally less options and you are not understanding that

steel juniper
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Not that long ago you were talking about it being a escape option

steel juniper
simple kelp
steel juniper
simple kelp
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you have a super to combo with the other super to also combo with doesn't matter...cause you already had a super to combo with. you're talking around circles not recognizing a use case was removed.

simple kelp
steel juniper
steel juniper
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So this is a nerf for you

simple kelp
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It's a nerf to the character. just because you didn't notice the use case or apply it doesn't mean it isn't a change that removed a situational option that the character had. on that you don't understand it and that's fine. I've tried to explain it I've said what I needed to say I don't need to talk in circles anymore explaining the same thing over and over.

steel juniper
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But if you don't to talk anymore that's okay we can just drop it.

errant valley
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😭