I bought it because of you, and I am really enjoying myself!!
#Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
fathom swan
green flame
Alright well that’s a nice stopping point. Tomorrow: cliffs.
drifting laurel
Cliffs are fun.
drifting laurel
Hey Gurm, Frozen Hearts (a zone you get access to soonish) is meant for players in the endgame. The exp you get there is absolutely massive and the enemies there drop upgrade materials to get your weapons up to 32.
I’ve also had a few weapons & pictos above 20 drop here.
true pike
I snuck in there at like level 25ish? ||Fought that first set of fire ladies and they wiped me before I had a chance to take a turn :P||
green flame
Hey Gurm, Frozen Hearts (a zone you get access to soonish) is meant for players ...
heavy breathing
….
Resending the message after it failed
Turned back on the ping
Welp
Screw you too discord.
green flame
Yup
true pike
Just found a character theme ||Gustave|| and would like to say ||screw you game for placing it where he died||
frigid marlin
Am I crazy or does ||Verso|| look a lot like ||Gustave||
No spoilers, obviously
but like
I'm freakin out
true pike
Yeah, I've been trying to decide if it's coincedental or not
frigid marlin
I feel like it's not
Everything about the storytelling to the art to the setting has been very precise in its usage
blazing flume
right? (on both counts)
holy SHIT I was scrolled up far
started scrolling down after replying and it had to load more messages =x.x=
blazing flume
but yeah, in my head the game is called Expedition 33... and that intro hit HARD
and then you go to ||the continent||
and you're just like "huh" for a couple seconds until "oh fuck ||did everyone but me just die?||
green flame
Ye
blazing flume
and then you see the world and it just... washes away all the sadness, leaving some of it in the back of your mind, with occasional reminders that keep hitting
god it's so gooood
green flame
And then ||your character tries to commit suicide||
green flame
ABSOLUTELY WILD
blazing flume
MY MOTHER-IN-LAW WAS SO EMOTIONALLY INVESTED ALREADY AND THEN THAT FUCKING SCENE SHE WAS LIKE "Fuck, really? Please don't." (she never cusses EVER, and she said that, word for word)
green flame
Damn.
blazing flume
and we've watched a million movies with depressing and fucked up moments, and she never got that invested
which, imho, is a perfect sign of good writing
green flame
This game drags you in and kicks you in the shins until you cry. It’s great.
frigid marlin
what does upgrading pictos do? I haven't noticed any change between a level 1 or level 10 pictos
blazing flume
you get a bonus, based on the picto
each picto has a list of X's
with a level by them
you get that bonus when you unlock that X
frigid marlin
You're thinking of weapons
brazen dune
bit of spoilery but i don't like how || Maelle seems to be the focus for the plot, i know jrpgs usually hvae the protagonist be young but with this one where the rest of the team are all twice her age it feels, off somehow? not sure how to explain it||
frigid marlin
Weapons have the list with the bonuses when you reach certain weapon levels
blazing flume
bit of spoilery but i don't like how || Maelle seems to be the focus for the plo...
||heh, it's an off vibe if you found persona off with highschool kids, I get it, it's... weird... to say the least||
brazen dune
||heh, it's an off vibe if you found persona off with highschool kids, I get it,...
||Persona doesn't feel off like this because the whole team are the same age usuallly this one everyone else on the team, apart from Verso are basicaly on their last year of life, and Maelle is somehow the one getting the worst of the adventure||
blazing flume
||Persona doesn't feel off like this because the whole team are the same age usu...
||fair, the gap makes it a lot weirder, though some characters in persona (especially the dateable ones) are a bit on the iffy side (like the doc in 5), but yeah, it's weird in general, I get it||
picto passives don't work until using the picto in 4 battles
@ Susan
frigid marlin
leveling a picto unlocks its passive
Still no. Using a picto 4 times in battle unlocks it passively for the whole party. I'm trying to figure out what level ups for a picto do. I haven't seen any stat changes.
blazing flume
do they level further than just the one time?
the passive requires them to be equipped, and you don't get it without leveling it, you just get the active bonus at first
is how I understood it
blazing flume
yeah
frigid marlin
that must be what increases when they level up
blazing flume
it's confusing, but I like it
blazing flume
(I don't like the confusion, I like the mechanic... is a better way to put it)
green flame
Cliffs ||white… hairs. so there used to be more of them? are…. are we a fractal universe of this painted world? or is the painted world a mirrored fragment of us? events keep looping but… in which direction. in what way. for who.||
brazen dune
||fair, the gap makes it a lot weirder, though some characters in persona (espec...
||yeah but the datable adult characters aren't fighting with the party in persona, so it makes sense that their story is side content. In this Maelle's the only one we seem to be getting plot relevant story from, everyone else is kinda just there, unless you interact with them in camp||
blazing flume
fair
I am not far enough into the story to continue the line of spoilers, heh
but yeah, I've already noticed it a bit
green flame
Cliffs ||white… hairs. so there used to be more of them? are…. are we a fractal ...
||the more I find the more I question. the more it worries me. killing the paintress seems to restart to timer, but at what cost? old dude and burned lady seemed to have done it in that nightmare but… at what cost? what was lost? what was gained?||
Don’t mind me just spiraling with lore implications.
blazing flume
nah, those questions are solid, ||the fact things started at 0, are somehow at 33, and yet you see flags from higher and lower numbers...||
green flame
For once…. I honestly don’t believe my team is actually strong enough to face what I have to. For once an RPG set the scales so far outside of gameplay that no number of levels will make me feel safe.
blazing flume
but I'm going to stop clicking spoilers for a bit before I click one that I shouldn't
green flame
nah, those questions are solid, ||the fact things started at 0, are somehow at 3...
Nono that’s a naming scheme
Expedition 100 was called expedition 0
Expeditions from then on go by the number
So it went 0, 99, 98, etc
blazing flume
OH, but then what about the lower numbers?
brazen dune
||the expeditions, apart from expedition zero, are named after the number of years there was left when they left||
blazing flume
||you see a 7 early on||
green flame
||you see a 7 early on||
That’s a 70
brazen dune
possibly the number of the camp?
blazing flume
¯_(ツ)_/¯
there's a lot of weirdness, and I love this shit
xD
I'm that kid that loved LAIN when everyone else called it a confusing mess
and Eva
etc.
green flame
Look ||if the number said 7 EVERYONE that age or older would be flowered. It would be an expedition of 6 year olds.||
Somehow I doubt that.
blazing flume
yeah, I get that, that's why I was confused, because it was definitely ||one digit||
blazing flume
||one of the first flags, I think, before you reach worldmap... though if they're just flag number, that's different, but the comment from the first flag makes it sound like that's where that expedition put a flag down||
blazing flume
use fast travel to go to one of the early flags, you'll see it
pre-worldmap
also, SPEAKING OF the worldmap
I can't tell if it's my favourite world map ever or just weird and confusing in a weird way, because it plays almost like a normal map, minus the ability to jump, and scale is weird, and not remotely as "off" as usual jRPG worldmaps
I'm kind of leaning on both
frigid marlin
||Gestral Volleyball|| is fucking hard
The hitboxes are uh
awful?
yeah
awful
green flame
Cliffs ||OKAY GAME I GET IT TIME IS LOOPING.||
||what happened to “show don’t tell”???||
Interesting bug. If you free shoot too fast in combat
Music cuts out
So
Uhhh
Shoot in a controlled manner?
brazen dune
||Gestral Volleyball|| is fucking hard
||yeah the first two levels are fine but the strongest one feels completely unfair||
brazen dune
||It fire the patates at the same speed as your attack resets if not faster||
frigid marlin
||In the second level, you can easily just hit them from the side, you don't have to get a hit head on. But on the third level, you cannot do that. Has to be head on or nothing||
||Yeah you have to eat a hit or two sometimes to make sure you don't fall behind||
Honestly, still not as bad as the Chaser Chocobo minigame from FFX
night ermine
Late game spoilers(Cause i read the story entry on wikipedia/ been following it)
||I don't think people age, since their in a painting, Maelle is "16" because she's always been "16" because thats how she was painted/always been. Gustave has always been 31 or 32 whatever, their Age + Years since it was painted.|| - INCREDIBLY HIGH SPOILERS DO NOT CLICK UNLESS YOU"VE FINISHED THE GAME
green flame
Okay then no clicky it is
frigid marlin
Alrighty break time from this
brazen dune
||the reward is just a swimsuit so no great loss tbh||
frigid marlin
||no bonus from not getting hit, by the way. Pretty sure it’s actually impossible for the third level||
brazen dune
looked it up
frigid marlin
but but
||swimsuit||
gotta be ||thirstin|| while playing ya know
I want to know the exact hitboxes at play here, honestly
green flame
Roulette is my favorite passive
true pike
That is a great reward though
green flame
Literally “let’s go gambling” every hit
50/50 to do half or double damage.
It’s great
On AVERAGE, it’s the same but the explosiveness especially on a turret or crit fishing build is great
Okay so music bugging out is just if you trigger too many sound effects at once
….
If this happens during an important boss battle ima be upset.
green flame
Cliffs ||Pinwheel?! What happened man? You traded masks for lanterns? How ya been!||
||well at least you’re still the same old squishy self you’ve always been.||
Also this game really hates people who get motion sickness.
It’s cruel
||NEVERMIND! PINWHEEL PHASE TWO! LETS GO BUDDY!||
Boat!!!
… no…. Nononono
Nononono
NONONONONONONO
true pike
ionic lynx
It's just a *little* too fast
Yeah, I gave up and probably won't go back to attempt the hardest difficulty unless there is a meta upgrade somewhere
true pike
green flame
||oh there’s an actual fight. Well. Uhhh. Yeah no I’m screwed. Yup. Fuck man. Shit. This. This hurts.||
ionic lynx
Reasons I'm not clicking spoilers til I hit end game, heh
green flame
Lotta crying lotta screaming don’t worry you’ll understand soon.
green flame
||his healthbar…. Doesn’t even… move… he’s not even attacking me. Oh. Oh god.||
||i… it’s…. It’s a true. Honest to god. In universe. Player controlled unwinnable battle.||
true pike
yup
green flame
My favorite kind but. Holy hell.
This game is so GOOD holy crap.
But MY FEEEELLLLLSSSS
AND I BUGGED OUT THE MUSIC GOD DAMNIT
||AND NOW PINWHEEL IS BACK. AGAIN.||
||full charged lightning boosted overload…. And it didn’t even… it just broke the arm that’s the best it did….||
Well. ||The sads are over and now even weirder things are happening. Good god.||
…… ||GUSTAVE?! BUT YOURE DEAD! but. You’re old. White hair…. What….. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!||
||so at this point I’m 90% certain that the bubble universe we came from was some creation gone horribly wrong, and godlike beings are playing around in a splintered world made by “the paintress” who probably is trapped there herself and maybe made the bubble universe as some attempt at suicide??? I…. I don’t even know anymore man but why is there old Gustave with godlike powers, burned lady, and white hair man, and HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS HAPPENED NOW?! I swear this has gotta be like 3 or 4 loops into this mess for everyone to be acting how they are. Also potentially Maelle comes from this society that doesn’t get Grommaged? THERES SO MUCH GOING ON AND NOBODY HAS ANSWERS!||
||all I know is this story is going to go well beyond the mere killing of the paintress.||
Everyone needs hugs. And it’s good that they’re getting them.
……. Act 2 ||ex… expedition…. Zero… lived? They… they survived and thrived in this world? They grew old? I…. What the. Renoir. The commander. I see. And his beliefs…. Interesting. So…. Maybe not. A time loop. Or maybe… it is still. And Oldstave is named Verso. I… see. There’s some answers but. So many more questions.||
||Well at least all that grinding didn’t go to waste||
true pike
||Well at least all that grinding didn’t go to waste||
I super appreciate how that was handled.
drifting laurel
On the plus side, you'll be recruiting best boy soon.
brazen dune
||Monoco the best||
drifting laurel
||His theme kicks ass so hard.||
brazen dune
||BLUE MAGE BEST MAGE||
||also yeah great theme, looked up how to get it and you have to get his relationship high enough||
green flame
||BLUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE||
drifting laurel
||Legetimately the best blue mage to date IMO||
||All of his moves are actually good, as opposed to weird/circumstantial/hard to acquire.||
||Plus the lore explanation for how he gets new moves is funny as hell.||
brazen dune
||Dan Schniederyazaky 
||
||Monoco and Esquie might be my favorite characters in this game bar none||
||Both of them are just a vibe and I agree with both||
I genuinely cannot wait for gurm to get to ||Monoco||
green flame
||Legetimately the best blue mage to date IMO||
||I personally really enjoyed the Octopath 2 blue mage, and she set a very high bar. But I’ll believe ya.||
fossil tendon
Ochette?
true pike
Game is now a metroidvania and I'm backtracking everything just incase.
Unlocked the ability to ||destroy some little root blockages. So far not worth backtracking over.||
brazen dune
||the paint spikes?||
true pike
Yeah
brazen dune
||iirc theres was a weapon behind one of them||
true pike
||A chromatic enemy in the cliffs as well. It's mostly color of lumina though||
frigid marlin
||sprong|| has been the best boss name so far
green flame
Ochette?
Yeah. She’s a blue mage.
Act 2 ||Virso and Esquie being buds warms my shredded heart.||
green flame
Yeah. She’s a blue mage.
Okay technically she was a beast master but functionally she was a blue mage.
fossil tendon
once again blue mage / summoner
which feels so much on point?
kinda feel easy to just... cast fish?
green flame
“Friends are like rocks. You can never have too many.”
I ain’t spoiler texting that. It’s too perfect to not share.
For all the emotional trauma this game is grinding me through. It’s helping put it back together too.
green flame
Annnd now that’s an enemy that glitched out and takes zero damage now.
Guess I’m rebooting the game
Or no that’s just that enemies gimmick
For some reason
I figured out the gimmick
It’s so dumb
frigid marlin
Ugh, I'm struggling now with this new mechanic
Just dodge, counter and jump were enough
now I have to worry about ||gradient||
true pike
haha yup
green flame
sounds complicated.
question: does stabbing harder fix the problem
Oh yeah add to the list of dead idiots: Cycling McGee.
he was a very annoying rock.
true pike
I have arrive at ||visages island.|| I want to go home
green flame
no home. only more suffering. I have brought you tissues and blankets.
green flame
I found a place called ||Dark Shores||
I regret being here.
ionic lynx
that one is pain
true pike
Ah yes
true pike
Act 2 spoilers ||One Axon down. Took down Visages. Actually kinda stomped him and his whole area. Feel a little bad||
green flame
Okay no seriously this is the worst designed minigame I’ve played in a very long time
The overworld shot has bad hit reg on a good day. And they made a PRECISION MINIGAME OUT OF IT.
This imprecise bullshit sleezewaggon of an ability. With horrible controls because let’s all agree overworld controllability is kinda ass, in a PRECISION MINIGAME.
WHO QAED THIS?!
DID THEY EVEN QA IT?!
Well it’s done now
That sucked
green flame
Add Wine to the list of killed chromatics ||purple, in a jar, get it? Well whatever I think it’s clever.||
Exploration spoilers ||The hell kinda a name is Sprong.||
||the kind that kills me in 2 turns. I see.||
brazen dune
||The best kind of name||
||Thats the one i made an attempt on the other day, definetly ome of the wait until you get rid of the damage cap enemy||
true pike
More button more better
brazen dune
for what?
green flame
||Thats the one i made an attempt on the other day, definetly ome of the wait un...
||at a minimum yeah.||
brazen dune
||gradient?||
green flame
A third kind of counter
Now with more special effects.
green flame
||gradient?||
Yup
Act 2 ||christ did the cap murder every last expedition? I…. This…. There’s so many bodies.||
brazen dune
||at a minimum yeah.||
to be fair to ||Sprog, his patern, at least at the start is pretty easy to dodge/parry||
green flame
to be fair to ||Sprog, his patern, at least at the start is pretty easy to dodge...
Yeah I just need to learn it
green flame
Act 2 ||christ did the cap murder every last expedition? I…. This…. There’s so m...
||a single. Nevron. Did all of this. How…. How many people were sent… this must be… thousands upon thousands.||
brazen dune
||They forgot to git gud||
night ermine
oh gurm you missed my amazing joke
@green flame ||Guess he couldn't Gustave off death||
true pike
I now know what the inside of ||Esquie|| contains
green flame
<@202944248801263616> ||Guess he couldn't Gustave off death||
Your joke sucks.
Act 2 ||….. okay this was sorta a late night madness theory but now way too much is pointing towards it… is… is Maelle the paintress? Or some adjacent divinity? Her weird powers, the female ghost, its all…. Off. The fact that she is somehow the cause of all this. It’s… odd. Weird. Strange. Maybe she is an ascended being having the “human experience”. It’s hard to say at this point but…. Hmmm…. There are threads to pull and games to play I suppose.||
green flame
Act 2 ||Oh hey pontiff sulivan. Been a while. How’s your lack of eyes?||
||Im wondering how many nonsense nicknames I can come up with until nobody understands what I mean anymore.||
||Okay that, was a sick finale cutscene for a boss fight.||
true pike
I never understood Gurm
green flame
THE FEEEEELS ROUND TWOOOOO
green flame
I never understood Gurm
||the man had two swords. One fire one magic. Pontiff had two swords, one magic one fire. Thus. Pontiff.||
true pike
¯_(ツ)_/¯
green flame
Bah humbug
brazen dune
||he's John darksouls||
true pike
I am currently ||climbing the monolith. Almost there. It's a neat sequence||. Also a terrible place to leave off but I have work in the morning and if I keep going I'll stay up all night
green flame
Act 2 ||MONOCO! THE THEME! THE GROOVES! GOD DAMN!||
true pike
Heck yeah
brazen dune
So Gurm do you get why I call ||Monoco Dan Schniederyazaky yet?||
fathom swan
Alright well that’s a nice stopping point. Tomorrow: cliffs.
If you do brave the cliffs, just RUN past all the fights. Raid what you can and enjoy the sneaky.
I think it would be fun to do a Pictos tour, Just drop a group and start at the first area and go pick up all the loot we missed.
fathom swan
I am currently ||climbing the monolith. Almost there. It's a neat sequence||. A...
That place confuses me and I got lost and quit.
fathom swan
Act 2 ||MONOCO! THE THEME! THE GROOVES! GOD DAMN!||
Dude has some amazing jazz jams. Also, the soundtrack is on Spotify.
green flame
If you do brave the cliffs, just RUN past all the fights. Raid what you can and ...
I stabbed everything until it died horribly. I was level 50. They never had a chance.
green flame
So Gurm do you get why I call ||Monoco Dan Schniederyazaky yet?||
||WHY IS IT THE FEET THAT HE NEEDS. MONOCO WHYYYYYYYYYY||
||monoco MY MAN! Joinin the squad! Also. Why does everyone keep knowing things about Maelle. Also I love that he was convinced because “there will be a lot of fighting”||
drifting laurel
That was a beautiful moment.
green flame
Wander why did you tell me to go to a burning frozen hellscape for “leveling”?
I can only kinda beat the intro pack with full attention and audio queues, and you FARMED here????
I’m presuming at a higher level with way better gear.
I mean it’s doable, but bloody hell is it slower than I’d have liked. Accursed awkward level gaps strike again.
drifting laurel
Chances are our biggest gap is my Lumina levels. I’ve got a bunch at 20+ and that really makes a difference.
If it’s no good, feel free to move on.
Once you take out an Axon you should be ready to come back.
blazing flume
Man, I love the dodge and parry systems in the game, but they did one thing that has driven me nuts since the very first combat: all the enemies often hold off on their attacks, and also have faster and medium speed variations, making it really hard to learn the timing well enough. Especially the big massive shield bros earlier on, that will sometimes hold their shields up slightly long or a lot longer, so I almost always miss the dodge or parry.
I know some have a different colour to the attack or other slight differences, but I end up accidentally dodge spamming, forgetting which is which, and then running out of AP because I keep forgetting it costs AP
though, on the other hand, it's nice seeing enemies that don't just do the same exact thing over and over, unlike most jrpgs
(also, I can't help but call E33 and jrpg, it has all the things that make a jrpg what it is, doesn't feel like a "western turn-based rpg" in any way, so I can't help it lol.)
brazen dune
there's kind of a sound cue for when you should dodge/parry
blazing flume
yeah, but with all the other noise that often exists...
xD
but you're not wrong, and I've gotten better at it, but I still get juked at least once per fight
that was too many "but"s in too short time
green flame
Chances are our biggest gap is my Lumina levels. I’ve got a bunch at 20+ and tha...
Ahhh yeah. No the spots fine. The wall will break first.
green flame
I know *some* have a different colour to the attack or other slight differences,...
Wait dodging costs AP????
How did I never notice…….
blazing flume
does it not? I notice I run out of dodge sometimes
and when I use it, I run out of AP faster, I havne't actually checked
green flame
Well parrying gives AP.
blazing flume
but I feel like I never have AP if I dodge a lot
if I stop dodging, I have all the AP (and when I dodge good, I have extra)
ionic lynx
there is a specific lumina that gives ap on the first successful dodge each Attack set
blazing flume
(not literally all, but a lot)
*perfect dodge
gives you +1
but I'm always out so quick, and I keep thinking it's because I'm dodging too much trying to figure out an attack's timing
green flame
Yeah. In my experience there’s a point where the game notices you button mashing and just goes “you’re done” and whaps you with the attack.
blazing flume
so if it doesn't cost AP, sorry
I'll even skip a turn and dodge a bunch and that character just... has none still
green flame
Eh. I don’t recall it ever costing AP. I think that it’s just that parrying gives AP, and so you feel starved with baseline generation.
blazing flume
I... forget parrying is a thing, I love the "parry dodge" system, I just... never hit the shoulder button often
I keep forgetting
ionic lynx
there are a few lumines that increase defense or AP gain, but inverseley will cost you whenever you are hit? I totally forgot I had a defensive one on maelee and kept having no ap after a missed parry set
green flame
I keep forgetting
Well I have great news!
Soon you will be forced to learn.
ionic lynx
I have enough agility that my defense gives me some leg room so I just ry to parry most things and am usually not crazy punished for it.... usually
green flame
there are a few lumines that increase defense or AP gain, but inverseley will co...
There’s one that gives extra for each parry but you take double damage. There’s one that gives you an AP each time you’re hit but no parry AP. Etc.
green flame
Grinding going well. Levels tasty.
true pike
I did it. Killed the large lady. ||I have managed to avoid any tears up until this point. Maelle giving the journal to the kids broke me. A few fell||
true pike
Holy heck in a hecking handbasket
green flame
So. I’ve realized a weakness in my farming style. If I’m laughing at people getting hurt in fail videos I miss the parrying windows.
Embarrassing.
night ermine
deserving
drifting laurel
I did it. Killed the large lady. ||I have managed to avoid any tears up until th...
Welcome to the endgame.
Good luck finding safe places to explore. I kept wandering into areas and got my face handed to me a solid 50% of the time.
Dark Shores are still scary.
true pike
Haha yep. My face has been thoroughly pulverised. Enough that i'm taking a break to catch up on anime
drifting laurel
If you haven't found it yet ||Maelle's quest to go find Alicia is a good place to start.||
true pike
Yeah I have it, just haven't gotten to it. Should probably bump that one up
green flame
I have slain the purple hermit of the mountain. Another chroma to the pile. And another weird door.
And yes that is a jojo reference
…… well that’s… freaky. ||this mansion has… models and paintings of…. The enemies…. And a disk titled “clea don’t pull your sisters hair!” This…. The more I find in this mansion the less I like it.||
true pike
…… well that’s… freaky. ||this mansion has… models and paintings of…. The enemie...
Personally ||the mansion is one of my favorite places in the game. I've loved slowly uncovering it||
blazing flume
man, I keep having trouble getting over the fac that Daredevil is the MC... it makes it hard to take serious at times, but at the same time... daredevil (especially reborn) is super serious
green flame
Personally ||the mansion is one of my favorite places in the game. I've loved sl...
||oh don’t get me wrong it’s awesome but it’s a super creepy space that creeps me out the more I experience it. kinda like “The Surge” in that reguard.||
green flame
Well I beat heartfreezerburn places boss
So that was chill
No but seriously oh god my hands hurt from all the parrying
Not arm. Just my hands. So much parry grip stress
Party ||Esquie is my neuro divergent bud. Him and Monoco. They’re my pals. I would glass the universe if something bad happened to them.||
“Trailbreaker” (reaching level 66) is apparently a rare achievement
2.15%
green flame
Party ||Esquie is my neuro divergent bud. Him and Monoco. They’re my pals. I wou...
||verso survived getting eaten by a snake…. and getting cut in half…. So him and the commander are like properly… immortal immortal. God damn.||
Okay according to dialogue Maelle is 16
Even though math says she should be 15
green flame
Heartfreezerburn quest done with some VERY good rewards.
Also apparently there’s a colour of lumina farm
And well
Uhhh
Yeah yall know I ain’t passing that up.
Bad news it’s in act 3 or so.
But I’ll be there. Eventually.
And then the everything soup build will be reborn. Remnant 2 took it from me but now. NOW IT WILL BE MINE AGAIN!
fossil tendon
I did it. Killed the large lady. ||I have managed to avoid any tears up until th...
||me too, Renoir fricking fooled us and i'm so mad||
||did try to do nothing during the last stand of the paintress where she healed and protected the party, could be a NG+ only interaction if there is any||
end of act 2 spoiler do NOT uncover them unless you are already past it
green flame
Team comp question: ||Monoco user peeps, does he ever get anything super good? Cause especially with the limited slots it feels like he’s a bundle of sidegrades without great tech? I love him to pieces and I’m gonna do my best but without knowing what each of his skills will eventually do…. It’s tricky.||
brazen dune
||He does, he just doesn't have a specific niche like the other characters||
||if you haven't killed the glaise in yellow harvest yet, its a very good one||
green flame
||I’ll try to take a peek over there when I can.||
brazen dune
||the party regen move you can get for him is also very good||
green flame
Fair nuff
true pike
I've found ||a few of his moves I like and use frequently. I basically use him as a two trick pony||
green flame
So. Turns out. Having to do a series of near perfect boss fights yesterday kinda upset my arm. Again.
drifting laurel
His one move that does an AoE for 6? hits + mark is quite good.
One of the better openers in the game.
I've had him as a mainstay since getting him because I want to collect all of his moves.
Once I'm done I'll probably swap to Sciel + Maelle/Luna
true pike
His one move that does an AoE for 6? hits + mark is quite good.
I've been using a form of that plus the stalact hits
green flame
I’ll keep an eye out.
I personally really like him as a toolbox support so far, but I’ll need to experiment some more.
Really rn what’s holding me back is story progress. I’m hitting the damage cap fairly regularly.
true pike
You will pretty constantly I've noticed
true pike
I can't parry worth a damn so it won't take much
true pike
Yeah shit at that as well. So this tracks
green flame
Ah.
Well
You’re absolutely screwed against certain things
Fought a weird monk last night that set my whole parties max HP to 1
And did that
Every single turn
And then he would try to hit you
7 times in a row.
Or so. Give or take.
Twas a good fight
This game is deeply unforgiving when it comes to those who can’t parry or block.
true pike
I've noticed.
green flame
Have fun mini
green flame
makes a voodoo doll of you have fun
green flame
green flame
Act 2 ||onto Old Lumlum.||
||MONOCOOOOOOO?!!! Oh. Oh. Oh Monoco. Oh he was just trying to be cool. Oh buddy. There there.||
🫂
green flame
Act 2 lateish? ||Verso…. What did that holobook say? Why…. Why is the nice magic lady freaking out now?||
||verso… where did you go. VERSO. DONT YOU FUCKING DARE BETRAY ME VERSO!!!!!||
||at least Noco is still here…..||
||the manor…. Oh. Ohhhh no. Bad vibes. BAD VIBES. MAELLE ID RECOMMEND RUNNING AWAY!||
||annnd she’s walking closer. Well shit.||
fossil tendon
||the manor…. Oh. Ohhhh no. Bad vibes. BAD VIBES. MAELLE ID RECOMMEND RUNNING AW...
||aaaah enjoy 🎵 ~||
green flame
||BAD THINGS. BAD THIIIINNNNGGGGSSSS! FACELESS MOTHER THING! CREEPY BURNED WOMAN! OLD MAN! BAD TOUCH! BAD BAD! Good news Verso didn’t betray us. Yay? Just ya know. Everything else is going to hell.||
||well that. Was. Hm. Verso is old bastardy’s son I’ll take it mask lady is his sister? And the hollow melting husk was his mother. But then. Who is Maelle in all this. OH. Hi squad! Welcome back! Wanna help try to kill god?||
||well I’m being given a crack at time manipulation light mage of slaughter. Let’s see if I can stab him harder this time.||
||HE TAKES DAMAGE. EVEN GODS MAY DIE! AHAHA… wait. He shares immortality with Verso. That means… fuck he’s just letting us get our frustration out ain’t he.||
||yup he was just letting us get our anger out. Welp. Shiet.||
fossil tendon
||yup he was just letting us get our anger out. Welp. Shiet.||
||did he erased anyone?||
green flame
||he just killed NOCO YOU BASTARD!||
….. ||a… Alecia?||
||and time stopped. Oh. Oh dear. Oh no.||
||…… well this is…. It was one of my theories but why? And how?||
||at least if my theory is correct AND NOW THE MANSION IS GONE!||
Things continue to be weird horrifying and confusing.
||axon time it is I guess. Big giga bosses. Rad.||
||what happened to make Verso and Reinor turn against each other…. What occurred…. Or rather…. Why did they work together at one point.||
||Monoco my homeslice you and Esquie are my 2 gleams of joy in this fucked universe.||
green flame
||…… well this is…. It was one of my theories but why? And how?||
||continuation: upon further context maybe Alecia isn’t Maelle? But. Yet. Hm. There still deeply continues to be something about Maelle more than what’s been spoken and it ties into those damned numbers and this immortal family.||
green flame
Exploration ||I just found a…. “Thing” called the lady of sap. And it horrifies me.||
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Act 2 lateish ||Visage island… this place is. Weird.||
green flame
I ran out of clever nicknames for chromatics
green flame
Act 2 lateish ||Visage island… this place is. Weird.||
||Visage died horribly and I called his twist, off to Sirene.||
||and we’re being drugged by dancers god damnit.||
brazen dune
||Outdance them||
fossil tendon
||show them the true rhythm of the world's heart||
green flame
||show them the true rhythm of the world's heart||
||but I ain’t got rhythm.||
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Act 2 lateish ||Maelle CONTINUES to have Deja Vu. So either something’s changed in the matrix, or, shes some weird split clone of Alecia, or, she’s the Paintress playing in her own world.||
||creepy mind control boss continues to be creepy.||
||but, is now super dead probably||
||yup. Looks dead. Huh. Only one phase. Kinda weak. Masky boy had a puzzle and 3 phases ish.||
||….. burned lady turned into…. A faceless? What…||
Weird things continue to be weird.
||got the holy hand grenade of Antioch now. sword. thing.||
Act 2 endgame ||paintress murder time it is then. Welp. Time to get some answers. And a lot more questions.||
green flame
Act 2 endgame ||yeah. Expedition 0s flag is beyond the barrier. Combined with Maelle’s visions. I have the feeling this cycle will begin anew. Nothing will actually change.||
||oh. She’s. Completely immune. Huh. Oh. Oh dear.||
||WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?! WHY IS A FACELESS SETTING PEOPLES MINDS ON FIRE?! I…. Ya know what sure. Why not. This is getting COMPLICATED.||
||so… “the paintress” isn’t… the paintress? Or… it’s a projection? I…. Things keep getting weirder.||
||how did Expedition 70 get here…||
Things keep getting more stonedrich (eldrich but for stone (see GRIME for further examples)) and it’s freaking me out.
||these are…. Basic Nevrons but in… a prime state. The more I’m here the worse things get. Is… is this entire world some game of make believe gone too far? I… I have…. Worries.||
||the family had 3 children. Not 2…. I’ve got a very bad feeling about this.||
||expedition 60 made it in here too???||
blazing flume
man, watching the first episode of Jesse Cox playthrough of this, and I missed a lot right in the beginning, lol, the one part I can't "go back to" =>.<=!!!
green flame
man, watching the first episode of Jesse Cox playthrough of this, and I missed a...
New game +
green flame
||expedition 60 made it in here too???||
||oh hey… 00 made it to the Lumlum memories… I’ve got… a very bad feeling about this.||
blazing flume
I hope it has a good NG+, though (extra content and whatnot, rather than just "Do the game again with some of your stuff")
and I feel like answering whether it has extra content and whatnot or not isn't really a spoiler, more of a... so people don't waste their time if that's wat they're hoping for
green flame
||oh hey… 00 made it to the Lumlum memories… I’ve got… a very bad feeling about ...
||they made it… all the way to the core of the monolith so… what… what happened. what went wrong. why is this family so closely tied to the waking nightmare of a world.||
||ALRIGHT RENNY BOY! ME! YOU! AND THIS EPIC TRACK!||
||alright that’s the old man incapacitated. good times.||
||OR NOT I GUESS GOD DAMNIT||
Act 2 endish ||Renoir just got…. Gommaged….. holy….||
Welp time to get lunch. After, I get to kill an eldrich monstrocity.
green flame
So…. Things are happening…. And…. Yeah no I’ve gotten zero answers just more questions.
green flame
Act 2 end ||Alright GGs games done totally yup mhm. ||
Oh. There’s some answers. Some absolutely horrifying answers.
||oh we screwed up. WE SCREWED UP EVERYONE BACK TO THE CONTINENT RIGHT NOW!||
||annnnnd it’s too late.||
||shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.||
true pike
Gurm I love the play by play. It echos my own reactions so well
true pike
||ALRIGHT RENNY BOY! ME! YOU! AND THIS EPIC TRACK!||
||Was a bop||
green flame
||okay so, more answers, more questions, but I did call it! The entire world is fake!||
green flame
Gurm I love the play by play. It echos my own reactions so well
Awww. Thanks. I’m worried I’m being too much sometimes.
green flame
||okay so, more answers, more questions, but I did call it! The entire world is ...
||but now there’s painting magic and oh yeah EVERYONES DEAD. FUCKIN OOPS.||
||how does this game keep getting MORE SAD?!||
Act 3 has begun. Interesting.
Welp
Oh dear
Act 3 ||the rules of this war have vastly changed. well then. let’s get some chroma.||
green flame
Act 3 hurts
blazing flume
I love that you can kind of understand ||the fuzzy head dudes||
||like I'm almost at the point where I could probably not read their subtitles, because they are kind of saying it, just simpler, and gibberish||
(not really sure if spoilerish... I guess I'll spoiler it.)
green flame
So that’s what “you’re a terrible swimmer my friend” meant…. It took until now….
Fuck this game hurts my feels and then slowly heals them up before stabbing them again.
green flame
Just got the 9999 break on my main squad…. Finally…. 136000 damage on a parry.
Delicious.
Now I just need to get good enough to go into one specific zone to get farming
So
Off to the dark shores for now
Yey
blazing flume
https://tenor.com/view/chumbawamba-tubthumping-i-get-knocked-down-but-i-get-up-a...
damned it, that song is going to be stuck in my head for a week
true pike
Nyehehehe
blazing flume
I don't know what's worse, growing up with that song on the radio, or getting it stuck in your head from the meme
though my vote is growing up with it
good song, though, but damned it
blazing flume
Just got the 9999 break on my main squad…. Finally…. 136000 damage on a parry.
I still can't get over how many jRPG tropes it has
it makes me so happy
just hit act 2, really loving every minute of it
the pacing is fantastic, too
at least so far
frigid marlin
Act 2 Forgotten Battlefield boss ||wow, I could not keep up with any of those attacks lmao, but the aesthetics and setting of that fight were spot on||
green flame
Finally I’ve unlocked the Colour of Lumina grind.
It’s like 1-2 per battle. And each battle is…. Really hard rn. But….. I grow ever closer to the everything soup
Like. It’s hard. But. I’m getting better….
The soup will be mine
Also +32 is apparently not weapon max
Which is
Interesting
frigid marlin
it would be kind of funny if 33 was the weapon level max
drifting laurel
Who's dropping Color of Luminas?
Shadow Beach?
Cause dang I want to grind for em.
green flame
Who's dropping Color of Luminas?
“||Renoir’s Drafts||” everything in there wander.
Do note: it is actual hell. I’m level 80ish and everything in there kicks my teeth in.
Underwater zone so you need relationship 6 with ||Esquie|| to get there.
drifting laurel
Yep, found it.
You might want to go do Melle's sidequest first.
The stuff you get there helps.
Same with Frozen Hearts
ionic lynx
I think I know where you are, is where I stopped for now, but will hop back in at some point
green flame
Same with Frozen Hearts
I did frozen hearts quest. Or at least I think I did.
That was eternal ice to that merchant ya?
I just think I’m a bit low on levels. And my arm is dying which ain’t great. Probably a good stopping point for now.
There’s also some money farming I could do to get some moderate gear upgrades but I think mostly it’s just this is a hyper late game area I’m a wee bit too early for and I’m not taking “danger” as an answer.
frigid marlin
||Monoco|| being convinced purely by ||"there will be lots of fighting"|| is fucking hilarious
green flame
The best farm for lumina is a merchant fight in here and while I can’t quite kill him yet, I’m getting closer
green flame
||Monoco|| being convinced purely by ||"there will be lots of fighting"|| is fuc...
Ye.
green flame
The best farm for lumina is a merchant fight in here and while I can’t quite kil...
Which some people are reporting kill speeds of like. 7 seconds? Which sounds…. Improbable.
I’m running a pretty bloody good build and I can barely scratch the gremlin.
Which just implies to me that rank 33 weapons ain’t the end.
Like some dude is claiming 24 mil damage.
frigid marlin
Okay ||Monoco is basically Khamari||
green flame
Which yeah could just be the internet being itself
green flame
Which yeah could just be the internet being itself
But it’s an RPG so who knows.
green flame
Okay ||Monoco is basically Khamari||
||who?||
frigid marlin
Character from Final Fantasy X
||Gets new moves from fighting certain enemies and using a specific ability on them||
green flame
||oh yeah no see, mboyo Monoco just rips their feet off after the slaughter. No last hits or weird tricks needed beyond just bein in the party.||
Okay figured it out
24 million is a bogus claim, BUT, there are people prestacking better than I am getting these 1 shots (at max level)
Also 33 does appear to be max weapon level
Anywho
Off to rest my arm
fossil tendon
I DID saw 43 millions damage, on a single target move
and you might have guessed it, on Maelle in Virtuoso stance
green flame
hmmmm
so that would have to be a crit roulette first strike, the other first strike one, fire damage buff, strengthended, glass cannon, solo fighter.... and like 3 other buffs.
minimum.
on her best raw damage weapon (the one that when she's on fire she deals more damage based on how much on fire she is) on a pure might and scaling build.....
and then of course theres all the %s and guesses and checks.
also the 24 mil was about a zero setup insta gib AOE attack against a group of 3 late game enemies
essentially worst possible situation for high damage.
cause you're dealing with reduced AOE damage, multiple armour values, and zero setup time.
or no wait solo wouldnt work because you need others for the setup.....
but its such a massive boost Im not quite su..... oh RIGHT the power bonus!
the thing that makes strengthened even better!
fossil tendon
and the 43M wasn't with Sciel's intervention(target character deals double damage)
frigid marlin
bruh that was kind of fucked by kind of funny too
green flame
bruh that was kind of fucked by kind of funny too
what uhhh, what happened?
frigid marlin
a ||verso|| thing in camp
green flame
ohhhhhhhhh
ehehehehehehe
good times
||the man has (relatively) TRUE immortality, you think he aint gonna abuse it?||
brazen dune
||I would also use slapstick body harm humour if i was immortal tbh||
frigid marlin
Okay, ||Monoco|| swimsuit is the best one in the game by far
green flame
enjoy your new dose of DEPRESSION
frigid marlin
||Esquie's|| voice actor is absolutely on point
green flame
ye
green flame
Act 3 ||full transparency after contemplating, this family fucking upsets me. the mother decided on the worst coping mechanism possible and warped her family around it, then these other loons had to deal with severe trauma from that on top of their own problems, and Alicia is caught in this whole fucking mess finally finding people who love her, and they’re painted constructs of a world she can’t survive in leading her down the SAME terrible coping mechanism as her mother. And her SISTER put her up to this because her sister is having to deal with the real world mess of both her parents beefing it out in their son’s last painting. Also paps DESTROYING THE PAINTING WILL ONLY MAKE THINGS EXPONENTIALLY WORSE. HOLY FUCK DUDE. I just. Every last one of these idiots needs YEARS of therapy and the longer this painting debacle goes on the longer that’s going to take. I currently hate EVERYONE in this story. Alicia least of all because she’s just caught in this mess but nobody here is in a healthy mindset and they need time away from the paint. Christ. I’ll stab Alecia myself if she doesn’t get out of this painting at the end. Because this ain’t healthy. Yes real life was terrible too but guess what? In here sucks too, for different reasons but it sure ain’t a perfect play place. After we kick pappy out I’m dragging YOU out myself DO YOU HEAR ME YOUNG LADY?! ALL OF YOU ARE GOING TO SIT DOWN FOR SOME FAMILY THERAPY OR SO HELP ME GOD!||
Don’t mind me. Just. Thoughts and feels.
brazen dune
||Gustave, Sciel, Esquie, Luna and Monoco did nothing wrong||
green flame
||Gustave, Sciel, Esquie, Luna and Monoco did nothing wrong||
||those loons aren’t part of the family.||
||they’re part of our glorious disaster expedition.||
||when I say “the family” I am explicitly referring to Maman (I forget if we ever got her name), Renoir, Alicia, and her bastard of a sister Clair.||
true pike
Don’t mind me. Just. Thoughts and feels.
Yeahhhh. ||That family has issues. Lots and lots of issues||
green flame
Yeahhhh. ||That family has issues. Lots and lots of issues||
||it just saddens me. it hurts. because they all care for each other and they keep doing it in the worst way possible.||
night ermine
||their french, what did you expect||
fossil tendon
||their french, what did you expect||
||i dont alllow you Weegy, do you want the dry baguette?||
fossil tendon
||when I say “the family” I am explicitly referring to Maman (I forget if we eve...
||Alina(mother) and Clea(older sister)||
green flame
||Alina(mother) and Clea(older sister)||
||okay I got the Cl at least for the sister!||
green flame
||their french, what did you expect||
||for them to hold the line at Verdun for 9 months 3 weeks and 6 days. not whatever this "I don't know how to emotionally cope with my sons death so I am going to put my family in a cycle of torture" nonsense.||
||I mean seriously I expect that shit from an American family, not a french aristocracy.||
fossil tendon
||they are stuck in a cycle of grief, Maelle and Verso causes Alina to grieve, Alina causes Renoir to grieve and Alina unknowingly causes Maelle to grieve(her painted version of Renoir murdered Gustave||
green flame
||they are stuck in a cycle of grief, Maelle and Verso causes Alina to grieve, A...
||when then caused Alicia to grieve after Maelle figures out she's Alicia and then she gets DOUBLED DOWN on trauma, and so she tries to keep hiding in the painting which causes Renoir to grieve harder because he just FINISHED getting his wife out, but his plans to destory the painting TRIPLEDOWN on Aliciealles trauma and grief and yeah. its a giant cycle of "holy fuck you need to talk to each other outside of the paintings" which. is a bit hard for Allicealle. but. Im sure we can make something work.||
||this entire family upsets me and Im going to FORCEFULLY make them talk it out with each other, and hug each other, and COMMUNICATE with each other about this.||
fossil tendon
||Maelle still have the least destructive grieving, she will bring Gustave back and keep Verso painted, she cares about him but not to the point to keep herself eternaly in the painted world||
green flame
||this entire family upsets me and Im going to FORCEFULLY make them talk it out ...
||because DESTROYING your sons painted world, the only painting he ever created, is sure as fuck not going to solve anything RENOIR.||
green flame
||Maelle still have the least destructive grieving, she will bring Gustave back ...
||uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........... she sure as hell seemed like she wanted to stay. for a very very long time.||
||to a lesser degree she basically inhereted her mothers coping mechanism.||
||which could grow to a DEEPLY unhealthy degree.||
fossil tendon
||uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........... she sure as hell seemed like she wanted to...
||tb entirely honest, Alina did WIPED HER MEMORY||
green flame
||tb entirely honest, Alina did WIPED HER MEMORY||
||NOT ON PURPOSE!||
||her entering this painting and what became of her in it was a series of unfortunate errors and a complete dipshit of a sister.||
fossil tendon
||She have better control over chroma and actors than anyone in their family, of course it there was a degree of purpose||
green flame
||She have better control over chroma and actors than anyone in their family, of...
||she was also trapped in the monolith stripped of almost all of her Chroma. reminder that Alicia only became Maelle because she lost control over her own formation within the painting and so the painting itself, influenced by her mothers Chroma, took over.||
||anyways point being, this family sucks at being a family, and all their ideas and coping mechanism are dogshit, and Im tired of seeing themselves tear each other apart in their own twisted attempts at help, Alicia most of all because in this time she NEEDED her family the most and instead her two parrental figures ran off into a painted world, and her older sister is a complete twat to her and blames her for her brothers death which is NOT A HEALTHY INFLUENCE.||
||so. Im going to take EVERONES paint away. force them into a NICE. LONG. DINNER. and we can TALK about the HORRIFIC TRAUMAS that have occured.||
||because the way you handle those sure as fuck aint running off into a fantasy world and pretending that your family is alive. or that you have a new better family. or to DESTROY the last remnant of your son that you have.||
||Also, just to be clear, whatever "The Writers" did was completely fucked up. I take issue with the way this family is coping with loss and the horrible decisions theyve made. "The Writers" are at true fault here.||
||they permenantly maimed a child, and killed another. for what? seemingly jack shit.||
fossil tendon
||they better have a LONG talk whenever Maelle kicks Renoir's butt out of the canvas||
fossil tendon
||they permenantly maimed a child, and killed another. for what? seemingly jack ...
||and caused a long period of recovery for the parents||
green flame
||they better have a LONG talk whenever Maelle kicks Renoir's butt out of the ca...
||I swear to god if this game end and all that happens is this painting is used as another wargame I am going to be DEEPLY upset.||
green flame
||and caused a long period of recovery for the parents||
||which was likely the true end goal but still. thats messed up even for the adjacent real world time period. its still fucked up. like. just convince one of the children to leave the family and work for you instead. but no they jumpped to murder.||
fossil tendon
||on that note they do open MANY ways to get more from that world building, not only painters can create worlds||
green flame
||oh the sequel and world building potential they unlocked in Act 3 is TITANIC. its brilliant. I hope they do more with it.||
||but right now all we have is this, and Im going to do terrible things if this family can't have a nice long conversation about how they've all been turned against each other and keep repeatedly digging deeper and deeper scars into each other.||
||it physically hurts Alicias mother to look at her because she is reminded of her own failings. thats a great place to start, a great thing to MOVE PAST, to break the cycle.||
||because SOMEONE has to break the cycle for this whole process to get started.||
fossil tendon
||Clea sure was a bitch, but she had it hard trying to deal will all the exterior bullshit ||
green flame
||Clea sure was a bitch, but she had it hard trying to deal will all the exterio...
||Clea is a young woman who's parrents are in a civil dispute about their dead child, and essentially had to keep the house running while they were off for god knows how long. She had to care for her deeply scarred sister. she had to keep the lights on. she had that, and all the horrifics of early adulthood. That woman is overwhelmed and overspent, and her sending her sister off to fantasy land so that she wouldn't have to deal with that even for a while was probably one of her worst ideas, but when people are brought to that breaking point bad things happen.||
||Out of everone here, Clair has the excuse of being an emotional young adult with way too much on her plate.||
||well also Alicia has a similar excuse but honestly until Act 3 started happening she was a bystandard getting double doses of trauma. After Act 3 though, she has a similar excuse.||
||point being, this family got issues, and it deeply upsets me.||
||none of them have been willing to break the cycle, and any one of them could have done it by just TALKING.||
fossil tendon
||and they better work on it... in the mean time i am le upset because i visited the spot where Gustave died and where they made a tomb for him with his prosthetic arm... and none can be interacted wit hto paint him again||
||it is VERY WEIRD to work with one group of 3 and one group of 2 in last stand during combat||
green flame
||and they better work on it... in the mean time i am le upset because i visited...
||well yeah. theres no fresh Chroma rn. its all controlled by Renoir. I believe Aliciaelle said she'd bring everyone back afterwards, because if she does it with the old Chroma they come back as one of those weird husk soldiers.||
green flame
||it is VERY WEIRD to work with one group of 3 and one group of 2 in last stand ...
||I believe Last Stand is really meant to be an absolute "oh god oh fuck" pannic button which you hit when the guy is literally 2 hits away.||
fossil tendon
||I believe Last Stand is really meant to be an absolute "oh god oh fuck" pannic...
||which was literally what i did for one chromatic boss, god their 3+ turn of stun is DISGUSTINGLY BUSTED||
green flame
||which was literally what i did for one chromatic boss, god their 3+ turn of st...
||I don't know which one that is but I had to face a chromatic that got INFINITE TURNS until you stunned them with parries. it was. actually hell.||
fossil tendon
||I don't know which one that is but I had to face a chromatic that got INFINITE...
||oh the chromatic salvager! it was a funny one||
green flame
Im using a.... fire adjacent build on her?
I don't entirely know how to describe what Im doing. I built her to live and deal big crits.
fossil tendon
but i did get wrecked the first few times
fossil tendon
also it's me of Lune kinda suck at being a healer?
i could also suck at generating AP on her
or playing with her stains...
green flame
so basically healing in this game. kinda. stinks?
yeah thats how I'd put it
Lune can do a great job if you make her into a heal bot.
but then you lose 1/3rd of your DPS.
so you can make her a blaster caster.
but then you have no heals.
Monoco solves this issue by just being absolutely positively decent at healing.
and will just, one button you to victory
problem is his mask rotation
so you only get a good heal like every 3 turns
essentially: healing not great
fossil tendon
meanwhile Sciel can get decent healing every 2 turns
green flame
for AP generation try multihit 1 with energizing strike.
4 AP for each basic.
green flame
meanwhile Sciel can get decent healing every 2 turns
Ive literally nver used her.
she has sat
in the back of my party
forever
fossil tendon
BIG PROBLEM with Sciel
she will either
deal darkness damage
OR deal weapon damage
green flame
..... hm. thats. not great.
fossil tendon
and so far i only have physical/cold/light/dark as weapon elements
green flame
my main problem with Sciel is her cards. are just.... annoying?
fossil tendon
foretells or sol/moon charges?
green flame
yes.
fossil tendon
oh maybe i can light some struggles away?
true pike
It's a cool mechanic but definitly the worst of the character mechanics IMO. Though maybe I justn don't have her figured well yet
green flame
Maelle has her stances, easy, simple. Monoco has his masks, easy, simple. Lune has her orbs. easy. simple.
Sciel has a charge mechanic, stapled to a stance mechanic, stapled to a DIFFERENT change/stance mechanic.
each of which influence her abilities, each of which are DETERMINED by her abilities, and interact with her weapons in a VERY odd way.
essentially, they seemingly took a ton of ideas, shoved them into a test character and then, never ironed it out.
green flame
Maelle has her stances, easy, simple. Monoco has his masks, easy, simple. Lune h...
the characters Im not mentioning also have easy and simple mechanics that are explained in less than a paragraph.
Sciel had something like 5 popup boxes durring her tutorial.
everyone else had like. one. or two.
fossil tendon
okay i'll try to make it easy
Sciel has:
generator(sun skill) that give foretell to enemies and a sun charge.
and spender(moon skills) that also give a moon charge.
Whenever she use a spender or generator after using ANY NUMBER of the opposite will shift her into Twilight(double foretell cap, double generation and increased damage)
the damage buff you get in Twilight is equal to 50% +25% per charge above 1 before using an opposite skill
green flame
I'd like to point out baseline, this is at least 3 times as complicated as any other characters gimmick.
Monoco is literally a colour matching simulator.
fossil tendon
it is, but it's not that much complex
green flame
......
fossil tendon
it's the same but with some jump in logic...
green flame
stances are SIMPLE.
this is flip floppy hoppity hop number magic go and its NONSENSE.
fossil tendon
it double from character mechanic to payback mechanics
like Maelle has her stance and a side with burn stack payback
green flame
its literally "go to Virtuoso, stab really hard"
thats IT
thats maelles schitck
well theres also what Im doing right now which is "press the shiny buttons until the enemy dies stances don't really matter anymore quite honestly"
fossil tendon
with Lune you must jump from specific skills to the next
ionic lynx
Also better parry via defense
green flame
Lune just wants you to make yourself a 3 button combo and replay it over and over again. sometimes interspersed with healing.
Sciel wants a lotta spam, a swap, more spam, into some big DPS payoff. which in the middle of a fight turn based or not, there are other pressing concerns that need to be adressed. I have not once had a good experience with using Sciel.
I dunno
maybe Im picky
but I really do not like her mechanic
at all
fossil tendon
one problem i see with sciel so far
end of act 2 reward spoiler|| is that you will very fast be locked of her payback mechanics because of the damage cap||
green flame
the damage cap is a mechanic. it has nothing to do with the end of act 2 except for unlocking the damage cap.
this has been talked about
freely
repatedly
fossil tendon
i prefer to be safe, very well
but yeah uh
Sciel very quickly lose in efficiency because of the damage cap
green flame
also Virtuoso stance has the same exact problem. it becomes basically useless after level 30 because you constantly slam into the damage cap.
its one of the reasons I stopped caring about stances
I honestly SHOULD now, because no more damage cap, but its hard to break that habbit
fossil tendon
Maelle have a lot of multihit attack that will somewhat dance around the cap
fossil tendon
Sciel? only her payback will reach that amount
and in most of the time you will waste a lot of potencial
green flame
I mean to be fair this was with me using Roulette but Roulette is one of the best passives in the game and there isn't really a reason to not use it?
50% of your damage is still fairly bloody good most of the time, and 200% is far too good to pass up.
like with enough % stacking 50% is basically just, the normal damage you woulda been doing without hyperbuffing. and whenever you roll the 200 it stacks so horrifically well with every other buff it becomes an abomination of a hit CHUNKING the enemy.
Im still not sure how % stacking works in this game
its gotta be multiplicitive.
but nothing has confirmed that
and order of operations is also in question
fossil tendon
they are multiplicative
green flame
good to know
fossil tendon
they HAVE TO BE, shit wouldn't explode this much otherwise
green flame
true
still
order of operations is now in question
like okay
the reason I ask this is because: when is roulette applied?
is it the first in the chain? the last in the chain?
which buffs are boosting base damage and which are boosting total?
THE NUMBERS MASON! WHAT DO THEY MEAN?!
fossil tendon
must be last just after character's mechanic buffs
green flame
you say that
but Ive hit 3K on roulette, and then OVER 40K, in the SAME AUTO ATTACK.
1/4th of 40k is not 3k
roulette is applying somewhere in the process to make it completely KNEECAP damage output at times
Im presuming roulette applies to the base attack value
but
dunno
the calculations arent public
and there isn't a clear way to determine what is buffing what
interestingly btw, on more controlled numbers such as with Maelles painting burn ability, I get between 3k and 14K still.
I am unsure why my damage bottoms out at around 3k.
its weird
on non Maelle characters Im getting 800s and below at times. but that might also be due to weapon disparity, build differences, lack of lumina, etc.
true pike
That's cause Maelle is just neat
fossil tendon
Maelle is just straightforward
more damage dealt/taken
less damage taken and get ap on parry
demolish 'em
green flame
okay but ||Verso|| is similar, dude scales up damage over time until you hit S in which case you become THE EMBODYMENT OF SLAUGHTER
fossil tendon
Gustave's is also very easy
when at 10 load the French Smite
true pike
Yeah but still not Maele
green flame
the damage bonus is actually identical
200% for Virtuoso, 200% for S
and given the weapon I personally use on him, S rank is absurdly easy to maintain
turns out if for every hit you only lose a single point of perfection instead of a full rank, it makes it real easy
fossil tendon
and given the weapon I personally use on him, S rank is absurdly easy to maintai...
||S rank on 1HP?||
green flame
||S rank on 1HP?||
no.
fossil tendon
oh that one
green flame
Gaulteram
blazing flume
I was definitely scrolled up, but the game's mechanics seem to focus on healing being a last resort sort of thing, which is annoying with how weak it tends to be, but kind of makes a ton of annoying sense
I just agree entirely that, if it's a last resort, let it be good? but if it's too good, then the other mechanics become less useful, so I get the balance at play
at least the healing items are super good(as few of them as there are), just sucks having a side healer makes combat slow, and a main healer makes it slower and more difficult
me and Becky are playing on easy because the story is great and there's no negatives to it. But I still completely understand.
tbqh, I'm not a huge fan of balance in singleplayer games, but I completely get how there's both a pacing issue, aswell as an issue of obsoletion to other mechanics... aswell as those mechanics (like dodging and parrying) require people to have good timing, and people bad at it (like myself, especially with how easily the enemies change their timing with multiple timings on their different attacks), which is wildly frustrating (especially since my desktop is still dead, so I'm stuck playing with GeForce now, which is loads better (lower latency) than Xbox cloud, but still like a quarter of a second behind, which is annoying huge on many dodges and parries)
(I'm not necessarily bad at timing, well, I'm worse than I used to be, but GFN does have some latency)
((I still remember doing the lightning strike thing on ffx in one go on one of my ffx runs, long after I had beaten the game many many times))
(((young Chase would totally have been fine with the dodge parry system with lag on GFN)))
frigid marlin
I was definitely scrolled up, but the game's mechanics seem to focus on healing ...
What pictos and skills have you been seeing? Cause all the ones I have have healing being quite strong
Also, fuck you for doing the lightning dodges in one go. Those are hard af
blazing flume
I have been slow, just basing my words off of many complaints from many people, when I start playing again, I'll let you know, it's just a very frustratingly common complaint I keep seeing people toss about
frigid marlin
People are idiots. There’s plenty enough strong healing
blazing flume
Also, fuck you for doing the lightning dodges in one go. Those are hard af
it wasn't my first playthrough, 7-10 I finished easily almost 100 times, those were games I started speed running, not for anyone but myself
frigid marlin
The only weak healing I’ve seen is a picto that ||heals only 3% on a successful parry||
blazing flume
those and super metroid
oh and super Mario world 1 and 2 (yoshis island)
young me loved to see how fast he could beat the games he loved
old me loves games, and often doesn't finish them
oh, silent hill and metal gear have a couple entries I've spedrun
2, 3 and 4... oddly for both
blazing flume
Also, fuck you for doing the lightning dodges in one go. Those are hard af
so it wasn't to prove anything but to get the damned weapon after so many playthroughs
I'd gotten it so many times, but always after thousands of strikes, and one drunk night in college... I did it in one go
on the first fucking attempt
(I might've been on some other things, since it was after ultrafest in Miami, literally at an after party)
frigid marlin
lmao that's amazing
blazing flume
but I did it \o/
frigid marlin
being drunk probably helped tune out all the white noise of past attempts and mental blocks
blazing flume
and then the other things, heh
frigid marlin
I spent days trying to complete chocobo chaser 0.0 time
you wanna know how and when I completed it?
frigid marlin
I was on a call with friends, only half paying attention just doing attempts to pass the time and hope for good rng
I literally screamed in triumph
blazing flume
I got it done, but never on a first try, it is the most bullshitty thing, worse than strikes
frigid marlin
My brother, who literally grew up playing FFX, had never beaten it and I did it in 1/100 of the time he spent trying to do it
blazing flume
I literally *screamed* in triumph
well deserved
frigid marlin
He did it now, though. Me beating it gave him the motivation.
All this to say I hate reactionary gameplay loops but Expedition 33 is a great enough game that it's worth it
but fuck if I miss parrying for most fights
blazing flume
All this to say I hate reactionary gameplay loops but Expedition 33 is a great e...
tbqh, yes.
and my bad timing is a mix of getting old and using a streaming service
green flame
On healing Pictos the best setup I’ve found is just stacking them. All of them. Relentlessly.
And then use Monoco’s regen/mini heal as a patchwork solution.
The game legitimately seems to expect you to pull off the everything soup build eventually. And while I’m in love with that I can understand how that might be…. Frustrating.
Legitimately the real solution to healing is the 30 cost healing doubler.
Makes any half assed healing into a giga boost
green flame
The only weak healing I’ve seen is a picto that ||heals only 3% on a successful ...
And that one is fairly strong…. If you get good at parrying.
Otherwise yeah it’s kinda bad.
For me personally it’s kept me going through fights I had no right to survive.
green flame
And that’s (basically) optimal lumina colour farm unlocked
Need a hint more damage for pure consistency but nothing maxing out the weapon can’t fix.
green flame
Level 99 achievement, “Survivor”
Only .78 completion rate on Xbox
Neat
Oh and the XP “requirement” for level 100 is a bunch of 3s.
The bar never goes up though.
green flame
but yeah now I get to sit in front of this merchant.
for hours.
one shotting them repeatedly for the optimal Lumina farm.
and eventually Ill be able to equip every skill*
*not actually every skill some skills are extremely detrimental and equiping them would be a death sentance.
but most every skill
becoming soup god
fossil tendon
auto death...
true pike
And auto live
frigid marlin
explosion on death
powerful on revive
can't tell what the damage scaling is for explosion on death
is it health?
I feel like it would be health
fossil tendon
explosion on death scale with attack power
frigid marlin
good to know!
fossil tendon
i do wonder if dualiso and cheat synergizes with one another (gain a bonus free turn and bonus turn on base attack, for a total of 4 actions(also i would say it goes up to 3 only))
green flame
Every skill
Nope.
frigid marlin
I can now say with confidence that mimes are no longer an issue
||Monoco|| makes them simple and easy
if you get the ||foot of the monster holding a mine balloon|| then you can almost immediately fill its break gauge
it deals extra break damage
green flame
See, I just stab them really hard
true pike
I need to play more but my head hurts and I'm frustrated with the difficulty curve right now.
green flame
So…..
The game now lags when I open the lumina menu
I don’t think I’m meant to have this many equipped.
Annnd it crashed trying to go to the overworld
Oh dear
No wait nevermind just needed to restart the game it’s fine again
blazing flume
I was about to say
the quality of the game seems like not the kind of game that would have that sort of oversight
they'd more likely limit you long before something like that was an issue lol
ionic lynx
game has crashed for me once, and I'm pretty sure it was cuz I had the game open for like, 3-6 days?
fossil tendon
i started to feel performance issues after playing a few hours and entering and completing 80% of the coastal caves
blazing flume
that sounds like a weird memory leak
green flame
Honestly yeah
I’ve had it happen a few times typically after menuing for too long
Think like 2+ hours of sitting in a menu
Which is basically only a me problem
blazing flume
I don't think that counts as a "You" problem since I often leave games in menus for awhile, especially when either trying to theorycraft, or when otherwise distracted (like having to do some things around the house, or watching something with my wife, etc.)
green flame
honestly at this point I presume that I am one of some 7 odd people who do their own deep dive theory crafting looking around in menus for hours at a time.
its easier that way, and Green doesn't yell at me for claiming to be "normal"
blazing flume
lol
green flame
My lumina literally reach the top of the screen now upon starting a battle….
I might be pushing this game beyond its limits…..
green flame
Then unequip some haha
Ha. No.
green flame
I wish we had lumina and picto loadouts
Obtain more lumina. There is no need for a loadout if you merely equip all non conflicting lumina.
blazing flume
Then unequip some haha
Telling gurm not to be obsessive with the excessive is like telling rain not to get stuff wet... lol
frigid marlin
How’s your journal collection?
green flame
999 lumina ain’t the cap. Neat.
green flame
How’s your journal collection?
Need to find more.
Also in case anyone wondered, a comma is added at 1000 lumina
They EXPECTED people to make it this far
These game devs
They know too much
They know our secrets….
…. And ||Monoco|| now has a 102% critical rate. Oops.
frigid marlin
spoiler that name
green flame
I think we have deeply different opinions about what exactly in this game is a spoiler, but I choose to humor you this time
Their name isn’t much of a spoiler
||their foot fetish|| is though.
green flame
have you defeated ||Spronk?||
Not yet. Must farm more lumina
Must get more lumina
I intend to stop Maelle at 1111, then hunt down my missing Pictos, then see if it’s enough
And if it is
Then
EVERYONE will get the 1111 treatment
ionic lynx
controller drift is getting real annoying. If I'm not holding a direction, game just looks up/drifts the cursor up
green flame
frigid marlin
If magic was real, I would put a self repair enchantment on my controller
green flame
if magic was real I'm putting self repair on ALL my things. stuffed animals especially.
drifting laurel
Disaster has struck. I went away for a few days and now I'm bad at this game.
green flame
oh dear
drifting laurel
I love action combat, but man I wish there was a "hey I suck now boost the parry window by 20%"
option
green flame
doesn't easy mode boost the parry window timings?
or sorry story mode
if you want my personal advice the enemies that got me really good at parrying were those ice/fire dancer ladies.
and the hammer bros from the same area
the hand guys from Dark Shores also are a decent training ground
drifting laurel
I honestly have no clue what story mode does
drifting laurel
Rad, guess I'll leave that on.
green flame
also something Ive noticed: defense matters a ton. endgame you'll want 2Kish defense on each of your guys. otherwise things hit HARD.
drifting laurel
I'm on the endgame content, and going from 0 to 100 on that content is just not doable with how tired I am.
green flame
yeah the jump from act 2 to 3 is.... intense.
ionic lynx
Act 2 optional ||I hate that jumping puzzles don't have checkpoints.||
ionic lynx
Act 2 overworld boss enemy question|| Any trick to grosse Tete? so far just seems like i need to parry a LOT||
nvm
green flame
Act 2 overworld boss enemy question|| Any trick to grosse Tete? so far just seem...
||you aren’t meant to fight him yet is the answer.||
I’m off to face the ultimate foe. ||Sprong.||
ionic lynx
I said nvm cuz I beat him? kinda? ||(he ended up exploding?) ||good luck
green flame
I said nvm cuz I beat him? kinda? ||(he ended up exploding?) ||good luck
Yeah so the dude I faced… uhhh…. I might have overgeared for.
ionic lynx
I managed to mitigate a lot of damage and parry heal helped me last.|| after like, 20 turns maybe? he just exploded, even though his health was still over 3/4||
true pike
See I wish the game had the option to JUST increase parry window. I don't want any changes to damage.
I want to be punished for screwing up, I just want to screw up less
green flame
I beat the giant sky dragon.
That. Was an evil fight.
TLDR ||nearly every turn it eats ALL of your AP, and after eating too much it does a giga boom that I never was able to dodge that nearly kills your entire team (or maybe does just kill depending) and then, takes zero damage itself and just is stunned. That was a fight of brute force and madness I tells ya.||
It’s rewards though?
Worth it.
ionic lynx
I’m off to face the ultimate foe. ||Sprong.||
Just got rekt by him, has very narrow parry windows it seems
green flame
Just got rekt by him, has very narrow parry windows it seems
He isn’t that bad but yeah. His parry windows are on the smaller end.
I do HIGHLY recommend killing him as soon as you can though. He drops very good things.
green flame
Act 3 ||…. Oh no. Old papsy is one of THOSE artists…….||
green flame
SO. AS IT TURNS OUT. Having to fight a postgame boss that heals 590,000 health every turn, is REALLY BLOODY HARD.
I DID IT THOUGH
THEYRE DEAD
YIPPE
ionic lynx
under the patch notes they've got "This is the first in a series of patches we are looking to do over the coming months. We are still investigating many feature requests and issues for future updates."
Which makes me hope for a new option of even better parry windows... later, anywho
fossil tendon
pictos/lumina loadouts...
and i still have my healing flask bugged
eh oh well, i can do with 65% healing at most
green flame
Oh damn. Update. Anyone got patch notes?
Fixed Medalum third Lumina doubling all damage in Virtuose Stance instead of doubling only Burn damage.
Oh. That. Explains a lot actually
Stendhal: Reduced damage by 40%.
Oh hey the skill I never used. Neat. Well. That’s probably for the best.
those are mostly the big hitters. Some act 2 story spoilers within the article but mostly just bug fixes.
