Oh hi Erginius
#Earth Defense Force
potent anchor
Well, just took down three swarms of scallops and exploders, Autocannon feels like it really kicks a scallop's butt even through the armor, and the missions so far recently have been taking out aliens.. not much too major.. almost feels like it's going too well.
Waiting for that ugly bird to show it's face
Also got some really good Phobos runs off of a mission
potent anchor
Yeah... poor guy gets whupped
He was dead by the time they pulled up the Barga. Like right as it arrived, my missiles killed him.
Also someone needs to teach these Krakens that blocking the beacon does not stop the stinging swarm of bullets from above.
Wait, mention of god? A mothership? Could this be it..?
OK, call it cheating, but is this mothership exactly like 5th's one or..? Wanting to know what I shouldn't bring to fight it.
God, I hate these leggy boys, their suppose to be just tall enough to be in Autocannon range, not just outside of it!
stuck sierra
They are quite rude like that, yeah
potent anchor
And yes, I know people said gunships got nerfed, but Autocannon is still just good enough to wipe out frogs and take out grays pretty quickly soooo
Yoooo I got the Proteus!
Oh.. it needs multiple people.
Well, heck
torn saffron
*OK, call it cheating, but is this mothership exactly like 5th's one or..? Wanti...
no, it's just the big energy cannon type
which can be hit by gunships so
potent anchor
Oh. No fancy weapon rings this time?
torn saffron
no, presumably only for no. 11, the command ship
potent anchor
Uhh.. Boring, this ship has rings.
Oh good lord, one Spritefall and the cannon blew up!
stuck sierra
too bad, have a loop
potent anchor
Ugh, I don't like the Nix Battle Cannon
It's so slow..
I'm sure it pounds on damage, but good lord
torn saffron
it's a heavy nix that focuses on range and damage
...it's also the only nix in its line that can actually fight reliably at long range
the rest become kinda weird explosive-based nixes that have slow rockets as main guns
potent anchor
But missile pods..
grand crystal
..GAME, DON'T TELL ME THIS IS ANOTHER LOOP
WOE BE UPON YOU! TIME LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!
torn saffron
But missile pods..
don't worry, you'll get later nixes dedicated entirely to normal revolver cannons and missile pods
the ones on destroy-type nixes (the line the battle cannon is in) are dumbfire rockets that accelerate slowly
potent anchor
'Oh no, two Erginius and an Archelus! Quick, get the Arma-- wait, their dead?'
Me with a set of machine gun drones and a spritefall
Uhhhh how do I use the Pepper Cannon?
grand crystal
ah
hm
I think its shift?
or space?
left and right click are the punchies yeah?
potent anchor
Yes
But space is stomping and therefore shift probably is too
It says special weapons is F, but that's not doing anything
grand crystal
I dont think shift is stomping
hm
well
okay
so the internet tells me apparently you need to taunt, then press a button when the taunting starts to cause fire?
I dunno
potent anchor
That's.. kinda dumb layout ngl
grand crystal
its EDF. vehicle controls are slapped together while blackout drunk 3 days before release.
potent anchor
Is.. Napalm good against kaijus?
Just wondering. I assumed the DOT is pretty good compared to other options.
Especially if there are groups of them.
grand crystal
honestly dont know.
DOTs in EDF are fairly hit or miss
I wanna say in this game they're pretty solid?
I know a handful of the fire grenade launchers are REALLY good.
potent anchor
Oh come on!
grand crystal
hm?
potent anchor
Oh
The game is talking to me directly now
..No.. new mission?
..Wait.. am I suppose to go back and destroy the timeships in a mission?
..But.. how do I do that?
Oh wait
???
Oh, a bunch of new missions popped up!
What the heck!
grand crystal
ehehehehhee
so okay
only one of them matters
but yeah
welcome to the ??? phase
I think theres 5 missions total?
(we all wish there had been more cause it was really cool to revisit the war on our own terms)
grand crystal
yup!
they count for completion %
oh and have fun on Pill Hill
you'll understand.
potent anchor
Please tell me Pill Hill is what it's called.
potent anchor
Hmmmmm
grand crystal
none of the ??? missions ever get names which is sad
torn saffron
Uhhhh how do I use the Pepper Cannon?
it's taunt then F iirc
potent anchor
Why couldn't it tell me in-game? How hard can that be?
Oh, found the right mission
stuck sierra
bah, just pop the transports and the pills ain't that bad, cause guess what? you can do that now
also the cannon directions were told way back in the first barga mission. with the barga that doesn't have a cannon
potent anchor
Oh fun
grand crystal
also the cannon directions were told *way back* in the first barga mission. with...
GENIUSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
potent anchor
3? 4?
There should be more. Would hardly change accuracy, and it really shows off the cool lighting.
grand crystal
yeah well we have cave missions for that
the underground bunker missions were some of my most and least favorite
most because of the fact it was finally a brand new unique location
least because the silver demons
90%+ DR when not open
horrors abound
potent anchor
The clams get worse?
grand crystal
..... I mean, I think you've seen them already
theres the silver ones
and the red ones
and they're awful
potent anchor
Oh, you said silver so I thought there was another variant that's like.. extra silver or something.
What kinda runs besides drones is good for androids?
grand crystal
Oh, you said silver so I thought there was another variant that's like.. extra s...
ohhhh nono. this isn't silver spider gold ant type stuff nah.
potent anchor
The best way to fight explosives;more explosives.
torn saffron
What kinda runs besides drones is good for androids?
don't think phobos does enough damage to reliably kill them at your level
otherwise it's just electron
potent anchor
Are you challenging me?
I used Vespa. Seems to work.
Oh.. I think I'm near the end.
..I'm.. a little nervous.
potent anchor
Also I'm.. oddly liking the Limpet Gun now?
potent anchor
have fuuuunnnnn
I'm more worried about the arms. I have no idea how to fight those.
Then again.. I do got the modern stuff, so maybe call-ins?
potent anchor
Like it seems to take apart Kruul pretty well.
Ad well, has pretty dang nice range honestly.
That said, dunno how it takes on anything else besides androids.
potent anchor
Recommendations for taking on the arms?
grand crystal
arms?
potent anchor
The cannons
Whatever you wanna call them
This is not good...
I don't have anything that'll let me snipe them besides the Bulge Laser.
..Why isn't the laser hitting them?
nova plover
..Why isn't the laser hitting them?
like not doing any damage or because they wriggle around so much?
potent anchor
I literally can't fight these.
I have nothing with enough range and now it's becoming an unescapable bullet hell.
nova plover
also with AR i almost feel like it is more effective to just go for center mass with some big gunship or something
potent anchor
And of course it spawns new cannons while I'm dealing with the androids and still the old cannons.
Great.
I still don't think I have any gunships with enough range to take them out before getting close.
nova plover
And of course it spawns new cannons while I'm dealing with the androids and stil...
yeah i know that feeling
potent anchor
I don't think I can do this.
nova plover
don't know how you stand to it, but i switched classes for some missions
and then came back later with upgraded gear and/or a friend
potent anchor
But.. Air Raider..
nova plover
my opinion: get through the mission, get some upgrades (for example range on the call-in beacon) and go back to get the little completion medal
tbh i did slam my head against the wall for a good 2-3 hours before going with that the first few times, but i feel it's not worth it
grand crystal
Yeah you might need to do some farming
nova plover
i honestly "took a stroll" through the edf story, changing classes to have an easier time, and then went to inferno to farm the real fun stuff
potent anchor
OK, the Stardust Cannon and Ghost Chaser are amazing
stuck sierra
See? Just need an overleveled power core
torn saffron
for the ring i'm pretty sure the bulge laser should be able to take them apart in short order
the gunships not having enough range is definitely a problem assuming they're well-upgraded, since bringing more stuff purely for the cannons will hurt your performance for everything else
imperative that you hug the edge of the map, though, since that will take you out of range for ~3 segments iirc
potent anchor
the gunships not having enough range is definitely a problem assuming they're we...
Yeeeaaah
Dang, Bolt Shooter kinda good
stuck sierra
yupyup. Bolt Shooter makes things very dead. does horrifying things underground, too. to the point of hitting some targets multiple times. downside is, it can hit you multiple times.
potent anchor
The Bolt Gun or whatever it's called feels weird to fire though. Doesn't seem to quite work in close-range.
potent anchor
I'mma guess the Kruul are smart enough to block lightning.
grand crystal
I'mma guess the Kruul are smart enough to block lightning.
They block whatever you are shooting within a certain radius unless there are enough projectiles to confuse them.
And when I say “enough” think at least 13 distinct angles of attack simultaneously
potent anchor
The Stardust does shoot a lot of projectile..
grand crystal
Give it a whirl!
potent anchor
Sure seems to work, and the Bolt Shooter instantly halts the shield
grand crystal
Yay!
potent anchor
Shields cannot be penetrated, noted.
OK, I see why the Bolt Shooter is really good underground
Wow
grand crystal
yea
potent anchor
Also found this cool laser that bounces on surfaces and that also seems pretty cool
Reflectron Laser
stuck sierra
it's decent, but the bolt shooter is just duuumb
potent anchor
First time I've had it do that.
Least to memory.
Good to know that's just an EDF 6 thing though.
grand crystal
its an EDF thing
the EDF games are ugly as sin for a reason
they throw a LOT of stuff at you
and well
why update graphics when they could just throw MORE things at you
explosion chains are often the downfall
potent anchor
I was just zapping a webby boy
potent anchor
Probably just a random crash from weirdness surely..
torn saffron
The Bolt Gun or whatever it's called feels weird to fire though. Doesn't seem to...
the bolt guns are kind of just weird until late-level variants
they're midranged weapons with a "sweet spot"
potent anchor
So uh.. starting to think pulse weapons may not be good against gammas
Especially in terms of my safety.
potent anchor
Who needs grenade when has lightning
Lightning that pokes the nests from far away when I'm not aiming cause of course
I wanna get strung up AND stung, absolutely game!
stuck sierra
hmmm, gammas? as wingdiver? may I interest you in bowgun?
then just take the gleipnir and a long range alternate gun, and bam most gamma levels somewhat handled
potent anchor
Me when underground
stuck sierra
Hmmm, swap the gleipnir with the beam of doom, in that case
potent anchor
But thunder cluster :c
Now for the biggest question
How does Wing Diver fight the leggy boys?
stuck sierra
Longbois eat a handfull of lightning snipers, but I find the Monster pops em in 2 or 3 hits
Also multiple target lockon weapons can pop their leg cannons real good, makes them significantly less dangerous
potent anchor
Stardust Cannon actually pretty good for just wrecking each bit of them.
potent anchor
Longbois eat a handfull of lightning snipers, but I find the Monster pops em in ...
Monster eats up too much energy for me..
stuck sierra
It's a bit of a power hog, yeah
potent anchor
Pulse Machine Guns feel.. weird to use.
Or maybe I just really hate the Cosmonaut Heavy Infantry.
Probably just that.
I'm really not sure what's the best weapons for this mission.
Swarms of high-mobility droids, heavy infantry cosmonauts, kruul, frogs..
stuck sierra
Oh, pmgs are just bad against heavy armor cosmos. They do good against some bug species
If it's the mission I think it is, the tickle beam did pretty well. Still gotta run the level like a mmo dungeon, though.
potent anchor
OK, got through with the Splasher, Diffuser, and Stardust Cannon
potent anchor
If it's the mission I think it is, the tickle beam did pretty well. Still gotta ...
Jokes on you, I haven't played MMO dungeons in forever and don't know the etiquette!
stuck sierra
Pull isolated easy to kill, then small clumps until you only have the big group left. Easy enough. What's your next mission, btw, red?
potent anchor
Follow That Fortress
I wanna say Kruul and aggressive species Alpha, Beta, and Gamma on this mission.
And Teleport Ships and Type 2 Teleport Beacons?
stuck sierra
Hmmm, gonna have to hit each of the thing's guns to reduce the bullet-hell
Wait, no... is that the one the base leaves halfway through?
potent anchor
I was wrong. I was very wrong.
There are also Cannonballs and Type 2 drones.
And I think poking the beacons may have actually made things worse.. man, heck me for trying out new weapons, right?
Oh yeah, the base just dips.
Absolutely shocked by the presence of Storm 1.
torn saffron
Pulse Machine Guns feel.. weird to use.
the non-stardust particle guns are generally not that great
the later level variants with large AoE radii are good for underground areas, but their main draw is the weird momentum "inheritance" that makes them unappealing to use alongside their other aspects
you probably saw it in action if you tried flying around while firing it
potent anchor
Momentum inheritance?
Just say they slowly drop like a plasma blast or something if that's what ya mean.
Err wait
Oh I know what ya mean yeah
But not really firing stuff while flying soooo
torn saffron
Just say they slowly drop like a plasma blast or something if that's what ya mea...
no, they don't drop, rather they will mysteriously angle themselves towards the same direction you're moving
so if you're flying upward, all of your shots will tilt ~30° upward
while it might have a kernel of realism, i don't think any other projectile works like this, so it's just a weird weapon-specific mechanic that works against you
potent anchor
Alright, escort unit dived out. Now time to see a town crumble for the third time.
I.. think this just gets a mother monster?
Crumbling Town I is the mission btw
Oh right, this one is in a different location and not just a road.
Honestly the Mirage 5-Way feels pretty good against green ant swarms from the distance
Alright, that was the way
stuck sierra
yup. the lightning bolt arcs around their shield if the angle is right
potent anchor
Or if you just shoot enough their way really
potent anchor
The Next Day II is the one that introduces Excavators, right?
stuck sierra
Hmmm... mayybe? They don't have a good time with the mag blasters
potent anchor
The ever-so-crowd-clearing Lightning Bow
stuck sierra
Zappy flamethrower, yeah
potent anchor
Excavators and Scyllas..
Why was this so much easier on Air Raider than it is on Wing Diver for me right now?
nvm Spark Foil was the answer and not the big plasma cannon.
torn saffron
Why was this so much easier on Air Raider than it is on Wing Diver for me right ...
WD can kill scylla in a risky (but quick) way using phalanxes or rapiers
offline she should be able to use typical light/medium plasma cannons or blink ball to kill excavators
potent anchor
Oh yeah, I thought Plasma Cannons would do fairly well against Excavators.
Heck, the Gaist 2 seems too as well. Enough to destroy it with a few shots against the armor.
Also Stardust Cannon is pretty good against the Ring cannons!
..Once you get in range..
Maybe one of the Plasma Cannons would give me enough range now that I think of it.
Eeeeyyyy they do!
potent anchor
Issue is just hitting them. Not too accurate.
potent anchor
I kinda like the Heavy Plasma Cannon.. sadly it eats up almost my entire energy pack.
But dang, it two-shots Scyllas!
And I bet it wrecks Excavators too.
Other issue being just how slow the ball is.
stuck sierra
if you farm up a level 40ish power core, the Ghost Chaser can just burn through the ring's cannons. just gotta get a vantage point that won't blow up from return fire
potent anchor
..What difficulty would I get 40ish stuff from..?
I don't feel comfy doing harder difficulties alone.
But ye, Ghost Chaser is also cool. Just 'kill everything in this general direction.'
stuck sierra
late campaign hard? maybe early-mid inferno? just gotta get a mission with a spawner you can safely clear, then farm that spawner
potent anchor
I.. dunno if I know a good mission.
stuck sierra
let me check the charts real quick, so I can give a real answer on the power core question
potent anchor
Maybe the one where ya go back further in the past than usual?
That's just a bunch of ants from what I remember with beacons.
stuck sierra
around mission 25-30 on hardest would give good level 35-40 items
potent anchor
Some part of me wants to dare that mission that takes place in the base, but.. well, I've seen ants on hard but not androids on hard..
..Don't the exploders pop up around those missions?
Actually, the Plasma Cannon is probably pretty good for exploders
What about Hard?
stuck sierra
exploders vs aoe weapons just... melt, if you can get em cramped together
potent anchor
I've found the Stardust Shotgun to also be good.
Err wait is it Shotgun?
The pulse shotgun
Also really good against aerial units actually
stuck sierra
on "hard", you're looking at... around mission 117 onwards
stuck sierra
I... believe they just get a damage and attack speed boost alongside the customary hp increase
imagine faster bomb androids
stuck sierra
be very careful if you use the ghost Chaser with a rush core, btw. it increases it's attack speed. meaning it also increses it's energy cost
potent anchor
Wait, don't I need to complete the game to access Hardest and Inferno?
stuck sierra
on medium, yes.
potent anchor
..damnit.
stuck sierra
yup. gonna have to use lategame hard if you're farming to make the boss easier
potent anchor
I'm scared of the arms, I don't got any answers besides maybe Sniper Drones on my Air Raider.
I guess maybe missile call-ins? But.. then I'd need an answer to hordes.
And kruul and cosmonauts.
stuck sierra
...arms?
stuck sierra
ahhh, the ring's weapons
potent anchor
Yes, among all the foes, those have given me the most grief.
stuck sierra
with air raider it's... kinda bad
a fencer just blaps them with the hand cannons, like everything else at long range, but i've not actually witnessed how to deal with those as air raider
potent anchor
Well, some random guy I found seems to have brought the Limpet Shot (which I don't have), Spritefall C, and an A2 Minigun to it.
Wait, those are level 40 weapons what the heck?!
He must be playing on hard then..
stuck sierra
if you're playing together, he's possibly finished the game on hard with each character, which is (mostly) what you need to remove the per-mission multiplayer item level lock
potent anchor
Nope, random guy I found on youtube looking for an air raider guide.
stuck sierra
note that means you'd need to do every single mission as each class
ahhhh, he's just doing a tutorial
potent anchor
Nope, it's called a let's play.
stuck sierra
haven't seen one of those in what feels like forever. youtube assassinated all the channels I used to watch that did em
potent anchor
Huh, why did the cannons spawn so close to him?
Not sure if I have any gunships with as much range as he has..
OK, his answer was just rushing the Spinel.
..I don't think that's an option for me.
Didn't even really worry about the cannons..
stuck sierra
...I think if you just hug the wall, then go along under the ring, that'd maybe work. not sure how the cannons would handle it, though
potent anchor
He just sped around in a Grape.
potent anchor
...I think if you just hug the wall, then go along under the ring, that'd maybe ...
Again assuming I have anything that could hit the Spinel from that far.
stuck sierra
yeahhhh
torn saffron
unique problem exclusive to low-level AR
i only did 2 normal runs with ranger and fencer, so i only did it on Hard for AR when a lot of his weapons stop sucking
potent anchor
I am working on a normal run for Wing Diver. Then probably Ranger, then Fencer.
Or maybe Fencer next.. I'm kinda interested, but I'm worried I may not enjoy most of his weapons.
I really like his missiles, mixed on his melee weapons, and.. eh on the rest.
stuck sierra
I'll be honest, I straight up didn't use 70% of the fencer's weapons. The cc strikers are miserable, the shields are pointless when you can just dodge, and the lock on weapons have exactly 2 good options.
Blood storm go brr, makes every "hard target" quake in terror
And arm hound makes you go fast
potent anchor
Are there other variants of Blood Storm or just the one out of curiosity?
Also, I've kinda eyed the Arcane
stuck sierra
There's a second and later a third blood storm
...which one was the arcane again?
The six shooter or the backpack?
potent anchor
The six shooter.
stuck sierra
Mmm, it's a lower damage slightly faster air tortoise
potent anchor
I mean.. air tortoise does touch target and vaporize said target, so 6 smaller versions..
torn saffron
the arcanes in 6 are solid.
stuck sierra
Things're clunky and prone to premature detonations
torn saffron
they're not like air tortoise though. entirely different ballpark
stuck sierra
Granted, I'm kinda running on 2 previous games worth of bias
torn saffron
they're mostly a consistent long range crowd bombardment pick. they also don't suffer as badly from upgrade volatility as the high altitude impacts
potent anchor
I often find myself mixed on using the Fork or the MLR1 (can't remember the name right now) in 5. Haven't really used Ranger in 6 funnily enough even though I kinda started a run with him in 5.. just suddenly had interest in Wing Diver.
stuck sierra
HAILs are kinda bleh, yeah. You can't really use em if they're not fully starred
torn saffron
Blood storm go brr, makes every "hard target" quake in terror
i feel like you need to clarify what bloodstorm you're using
stuck sierra
Still the base model
torn saffron
because the level 0-5 one is the single notable one and the rest kind of fall off in usefulness
stuck sierra
It's horrifyingly effective, even on hard
potent anchor
Blood Storm looks like it's a nice lil 'I see a group. I don't like that group.' ranged option.
And even decent single target damage if the target is big enough?
stuck sierra
Most of the time, expect a fencer to have some kind of autocannon or mortar gun, though. Things immensely outclass the other weapons in dps when including reload speeds
torn saffron
it's mostly learning what pairs well with eachother
stuck sierra
Blood storm can unhelmet a heavy cosmo on normal
Both layers just gone. Shreds the outer chestplate, too
So long as you stagger fire em, they'll melt that one mission where you get mugged by 8 heavy cosmos, great for early armor farming on your first playthrough. Once you get the "flat battlefield dragon attack" level, though, that's wheee everyone recommends farming
torn saffron
yes.
stuck sierra
Yup
Where the npcs can fight everything on all difficulties so all you have to do is grab stuff and not get got by dragonbreath
potent anchor
NPCs? Competent?
They do always seem to be pretty good at surviving on that battlefield now that ya mention it.
potent anchor
I have discovered that parking lots are the weakness of Gammas.
As long as you don't blow them up.
..What mission number does the leggy boys pop up on again?
Been a while since I've been through 5.
potent anchor
Alright, that's all of EDF 5's missions on Normal as Air Raider
potent anchor
I feel very dissapointed in myself for letting all the Nix die on this particular mission. Usually that doesn't happen and I'm pretty sure I'm messing around with this MLR-30 missile launcher I have and multiple lock-on.
Wait, can you not save them? Am I only thinking of the EDF 6 version of this mission? The one where ya fight a ton of Cosmonauts?
potent anchor
Would you consider The Nameless a good grinding spot?
That being the very last mission in EDF 5, the big boss fight
Thinking of grinding a bit to level up some of my newer stuff on my characters.
Not that I've had much issue yet but
stuck sierra
welllll, not really. there's the mission in the river valley with only species gamma that's really good returns on time, but you've gotta cower under a rock by the waterfall upriver
obscenely good armor farming mission
it's the one that starts you with a few fencers in front of the bridge
for easier loot times, murder the fencers first
potent anchor
So I'd also need to bring stuff that will not cause collateral damage.
Which.. is kinda a large part of Air Raider's kit.
But yea, I have found that if you can find a tight spot in a building or such, Gammas can't quite do much.
stuck sierra
welll... just having the "air raider crappy shotgun" should be enough, and the bombing runs can still be used. if you avoid your hiding place entirely. but also ZE guns are stupidly good on that level
stuck sierra
the first mission you fight gammas in spawns you right beside a parking garage, so you can let the NPCs go poke the balls and they'll aggro to you
potent anchor
Yea, I discovered that.
stuck sierra
it's... not a good air raider weapon.
potent anchor
Though I.. kinda kept the Fencers.
I also used the Autocannon to poke and the Bulge Laser as my main attack while turrets fired.
stuck sierra
the machinegun strafes sometimes don't destroy the parking garage
potent anchor
Eh, I didn't use it once they got to the garage.
Yes, that meant killing them too a while but didn't wanna risk becoming a bowling pin.
stuck sierra
anything without demo damage is an essential on that mission on harder difficulties
...look at me using helldivers terms for EDF
potent anchor
The Ranger Missile weapon?
stuck sierra
yup. it doesn't hurt buildings
potent anchor
Doesn't that shoot up or am I thinking of a different missile weapon?
potent anchor
Yet I feel like I have a new MLRA-- yea
Has a lot of missiles though.
Does that also have building damage?
stuck sierra
sooo many missiles. eventually you get a MLRA-TW which fires missiles in pairs at targets
potent anchor
Ooooo
stuck sierra
as far as I know the MLRAs never have building damage
potent anchor
Immediately goes to do that mission on Inferno with the MLRA
stuck sierra
- a mlra 2. the 3 still shoots up
stuck sierra
immensely. expect many many salvos
potent anchor
..How much time would ya reckon?
Oh right, there'd probably be a third wave of gammas or something
Or maybe just variants of gammas
stuck sierra
hmmm, three waves... about ten minuets per wave if being generous... a bit over half an hour?
potent anchor
What if I save the Fencers and bring them to the lot with me?
stuck sierra
after that, you'll have leveled loot, and it'll go much faster
the fencers... are kinda too dumb to live
potent anchor
I dunno, they followed me pretty well.
stuck sierra
they get jumped by a 3 pronged ambush before you can recruit them
that ambush is nearly instant death on inferno
potent anchor
There's only two swarms on the first wave though...?
stuck sierra
the knockdown effect feels like it lasts longer on higher difficulties
hmmm. might be misremembering a straight on attacking group at first.
potent anchor
Also the MLRA 2 feels like it peels Droids pretty well.
By peel, I mean 'takes out all it's leg armor and cannons'.
stuck sierra
if you do wing diver, the highest level Rapier you can get will do just fine. just hang out about halfway up the building near the corner and point the spiky lasers out
just gotta bring a "poking stick" weapon, like the bolt sniper
potent anchor
Bolts surely don't do much building damage
stuck sierra
oh yeah, the MLRA series are meant for droids
potent anchor
And it turns out without all those leg cannons, they can't really do much.
stuck sierra
the guns each count as an enemy for drops, too, so it's really good cash
potent anchor
Oh yeah.
Admittedly I probably need to find something better than a Slugger for shooting their actual head, but still, much easier to deal with when stripped of most of their weaponry.
I also imagine taking out the legs don't count as damage to its overall health pool.
stuck sierra
oh yeah. they can't bear getting bopped with a dunkel shot or two
that or you take a lysander and they literally die in two hits
potent anchor
Which one is the Dunkel?
stuck sierra
...actually. not sure if it's there. it's a sniper variant
might've actually been a EDF6 only gun
grand crystal
the Dunkel gets done dirty at high levels
it makes me sad
they give it a higher fire rate and slower reload
like sure its still probably good but why does going UP in levels LOWER its reload speed?!
not stars btw
higher level variants
torn saffron
*Does that also have building damage?*
iirc buildings start getting destroyed once an explosive has a large enough blast radius
buildings do have different levels of "hp" in 6, though i think in 5 they're all the same
this can be seen in EDF6 between lower-level and higher-level variants of the firecracker grenades, as the later level ones get a large enough blast radius to start levelling buildings
AR has the most 'non-explosive' weapons capable of knocking down buildings, in EDF6 fencer's gallic cannons gain the ability to destroy buildings they hit
potent anchor
Likely dumb question, but are the missile turrets probably not a good choice for holing up in a place durability wise?
torn saffron
the rocket sentries can destroy buildings, yes.
they're not necessarily bad for defense but you have to be at least aware of their friendly fire potential, since they're basically the one sentry type that can do that in actually large amounts
potent anchor
Alright, not bringing those then.. maybe the snipers then? Or just another set of machine guns.
stuck sierra
Probably machineguns. Snipers might take out a gamma that's too far off to bother looting
potent anchor
In hindsight, I should've brought a shotgun or assault rifle for stragglers
stuck sierra
heh, yeah...
potent anchor
Aaaand time!
OK, that took about..20 minutes?
No fancy missiles, but I got a Flame Cannon and a Minion Buster MX?
Also the Fencers.. actually survived the first attack. Now I have to poke the other group. Yippee.
Flamethrowers surely don't do building damage
Oh god, a couple of pill bugs didn't aggro and now I need to go after them to start the next wave...
stuck sierra
yup. and that's why we bring a poking gun. sometimes the next wave spawns anyways
potent anchor
Flame Cannon seems pretty dang nice against pill bugs
potent anchor
yup. and that's why we bring a poking gun. *sometimes* the next wave spawns *any...
Noted.
grand crystal
Flame Cannon seems pretty dang nice against pill bugs
didja find Pill Hill yet?
potent anchor
I'm not in EDF6, but I think I know what mission your talking.
Holy cow the Suppress Gun B2 actually killed an Inferno Pill Bug in 2 shots.
stuck sierra
shame it takes a thousand years between shots and reloads, not to mention it's teeny attack range. it's really only good for farming levels
torn saffron
the suppress guns got enough of a buff to sometimes consider seriously in edf6, though in 5 their single use is basically just farming on that mission
potent anchor
Would the Splendor Shot be a bad idea?
stuck sierra
hmmmm... kinda. it can hit you sometimes, and does a fair bit of damage to you
grand crystal
I'm not in EDF6, but I think I know what mission your talking.
Ah. Sorry.
potent anchor
Welp, I just got a cool, oddly-spread-lacking shotgun that one-shots pillbugs.
And a very cool fork that is very likely to cause collateral damage whether I intend to or not.
stuck sierra
unsurprisingly, the Breacher, aka the "all the spread" shotgun also works for wiping pillbugs in droves
potent anchor
Can't blow up pillbug teleportation ships. Noted.
potent anchor
OH GOD, MY OWN FLAME TURRET IS COOKING ME
Good lord these higher-leveled Red Nixes have hops!
potent anchor
welllll, not really. there's the mission in the river valley with *only* species...
Err.. any particular rock?
Cause I'm looking, but not really seeing any places for cover.
Oh wait found it
grand crystal
OH GOD, MY OWN FLAME TURRET IS COOKING ME
Be purged for your sins by the great turret in the sky!
potent anchor
OH SWEET LORD, THE GAMMAS HAVE ACHIEVED FLIGHT!!
I just saw some roll straight into the sky just to cannonball into my location!
grand crystal
Ahhh yes. The classic pill bomb.
Not possible on most maps. But when it is…..
At least it’s not a giga hornet point blanking you.
potent anchor
You telling me they can only do that on certain maps?
grand crystal
You telling me they can only do that on certain maps?
what I mean is depending on terrain they can bounce in such a way that they gain great height and then land down on you.
torn saffron
pillbugs have two attacks: rolling straight at you or jumping up to you
they usually only do this when in range, but in that mission there'll be some stuck in that mode after the last NPC dies, leading them to target you immediately after
grand crystal
and here I thought they just sometimes pingponged around until they got a perfect angle to completely nail me from across the galaxy
potent anchor
Ugh, I just died at the end of the egg's final phase
Cause I guess my new Stork doesn't have enough range.
That sucks.
potent anchor
Alright, Flounder fixed that issue
And that is god dead for the second time.
And.. only 24% completion.
Hmm.
potent anchor
Trying to figure out a good loadout for the rock with Air Raider.
potent anchor
I have chosen bulge laser and flamer turret
Also this DLC mission just lied to me. It said to 'ignore the teleportation ships and focus on the airborne enemies.' My brother in EDF, WHERE WERE THE AIRBORNE ENEMIES?!
Oooo this is a new map!
potent anchor
@torn saffron Down for some hard multiplayer or bad time?
torn saffron
<@194990509905674240> Down for some hard multiplayer or bad time?
unfortunately i'm stuck doing coursework, so i'll have to pass
potent anchor
Ah, sorry then
torn saffron
my interest in edf6 has sort of petered out after hitting DLC2 M39 + starting helldivers
potent anchor
Are Betas more dangerous than I give them credit for on higher difficulties or are Kings and Silvers just actual threats I'm used to killing before they can even try?
grand crystal
Are Betas more dangerous than I give them credit for on higher difficulties or a...
Spiders are betas right?
If so: yes. They are one of the most dangerous common enemies on high difficulty.
potent anchor
Well, issue is it takes half a mag right now to take out a Silver and apparently there is now a flamethrower Cosmonaut in the cave tunnel I was trying to hide in for napalm, great.
So now I'm figuring out 'ok, what do I do now?'
Am playing Ranger
OK, Flame Cannon cooked them pretty well at the cost of my allies.
torn saffron
Are Betas more dangerous than I give them credit for on higher difficulties or a...
yeah, generally.
their attacks linger and each individual thread can hit multiple times on a vehicle
while silver spiders are largely unthreatening compared to gold ants or a group of red wasps, their HP can make them a problem if you don't have something strong enough
potent anchor
Ugh, even the Flame Cannon, which is a level 65 weapon by the way, takes a whole mag to kill them what the hell
How do I do this?!
I hate this mission
torn saffron
what mission is this?
potent anchor
Underground 1 of DLC 1.
torn saffron
assuming EDF5?
anyway, explosions will ragdoll silver spiders and their boss variants even if it doesn't kill
so it can be useful in plugging a chokepoint
potent anchor
Ye
Oh right, I kinda forgot that.
But I also thought 'hmmm yes I will bring explosives in a cave, that will definitely not backfire on me'
That said the Flame Cannon does sorta stunlock the flamethrower Cosmonauts so there is that.
And the Slaughter seems to be doing fairly decently on the spiders.
I was using the Stork, but then I thought 'nah, I need to hit more of them at the same time.'
T5 Stork*
That and.. Pill bugs.
torn saffron
oh i remember this mission now
i haven't really done edf5 dlcs a whole lot, so my only suggestions are maybe napalm or shotguns
potent anchor
I was using Napalm, but didn't really do much against the cosmonauts which kinda sealed my fate the first run.
Alright, onto Underground 2
Oh boy, Araneas
potent anchor
anyway, explosions will ragdoll silver spiders and their boss variants even if i...
Wait, doesn't the Minion Buster bullets explode or do those not count?
Wow, thanks for suddenly swarming me with a bunch of Silvers, game
I dunno whether I hate the red ants or the biting green ants more
On one hand, the red ants can just say 'no, you don't get to shoot me, stop it' for a moment. On the other, the green ants just toss me around.
Either way, I think I'm done with EDF now.
Even using the strongest weapons I've got so far, I just can't get through that without constantly being swarmed, and the game apparently thinks cause I destroyed a spawner means I'm ready for more swarms.
That's annoying, not fun.
torn saffron
*Wait, doesn't the Minion Buster bullets explode or do those not count?*
don't think so, not the right type.
the DLC missions, especially that underground 2 mission, are extremely rough
potent anchor
Yeah, sure feels that way.
Maybe I should bring some explosives, just worried about catching myself in them.
blissful fern
Anyone wanna play EDF 5 or nah?
potent anchor
Too late?
potent anchor
Nah, was asking if it's too late for you
Also is it just me or does Discord look different? Am I just suddenly gaining random ui updates?
potent anchor
There's a small gap between the chatbox and the last message which actually kinda bugs me.
blissful fern
Right well, I'm gonna go take a bathroom break then I'm all ready
blissful fern
Not really
potent anchor
Alright
blissful fern
Haven't played in a while so no real plans at all
potent anchor
Fair
blissful fern
Welp, I'm ready whenever you are
potent anchor
Am ready
potent anchor
Just got the Limpet Detector. Sounds interesting.
potent anchor
What differs Phobos Z from the other Phobos?
torn saffron
phobos z is a wide horizontal bar with big, singular explosives
they do a lot of damage
4z ups the damage further but in a better shape and smaller, more numerous bombs
potent anchor
So it's just longer than plan 3?
torn saffron
...no?
i mean literally yes but the shape is different and plan z is tens of levels higher than plan 3
or actually i might be confusing plan 3 for plan 4, which is super good even when you unlock latee phobos variants
blissful fern
I usually bring out Phobos for when the enemy has to close in. Otherwise I just run Kamuy for bombers
potent anchor
Maybe not a bad idea, but I've kinda grown to like Phobos's big explosions. But maybe Kamuy is better, dunno.
torn saffron
kamuy is awfully expensive for the relatively small area it covers
potent anchor
Sure it's fast, but that's why you drop the Phobos on your allies or unalerted bugs.
Or, with later Phobos, just bomb the general area and it'll probably kill something with how big the area is.
blissful fern
Honestly I usually just bring the AOE satellite laser
potent anchor
Sadly on Normal you only get access to that at lvl 8 in multiplayer, and Phobos much later, so I've stuck myself with the Vesta
blissful fern
I don't usually play Normal
potent anchor
Well, I'm playing with a bud on their first playthrough, so..
blissful fern
It's swim or sink
blissful fern
I must say EDF 5, Mission 92 is pain for me
blissful fern
This is miserable alone
potent anchor
Which one is that again?
blissful fern
So it starts you near the edge of the mission area, you are backed into it. There is a massive web above, a smaller one below with an Aranea on it. Several teleport anchors spread around. Regular ants, red ants, jumping spiders, and some Aranea.
potent anchor
Ooooh that one
blissful fern
I can grind away at it, but it takes so long I get tired
potent anchor
So.. what's a good farming mission in EDF 6?
potent anchor
Well, that sounds horrifying..
grand crystal
It’s fineeeeee
You don’t even have to fight the dragon
Just
Ya know don’t die before the mission ends.
potent anchor
I hate this dragon bird.
Why is it giving me more trouble on Wing Diver than it did on Air Raider?
blissful fern
Would grinding even help with this cursed ass mission anyway
I don't think it's a lack of weaponry
potent anchor
Eh?
blissful fern
Still struggling on 92
If I gear up for the early section then I struggle with the later sections
If I gear up for later, then I get swarmed and deleted
That being said, if anyone is up to suffer with me I would not say no
torn saffron
what class?
it's the aranea mission down the long street, right? the one that spawns ant waves every so often?
blissful fern
I don't play fencer or flying whatever
Tried with both ranger and air raider, I end up bored
Try again and again until I manage to get over the initial bump and then I end up tired of playing the game
torn saffron
oh, i remember now. sorry, i was misremembering the aranea mission
that's a rough one, particularly for AR obviously, but you really just want to stay out of aranea range basically as much as possible
ranger should be able to fend off ambient enemy waves—work your way down the right side first—while pelting the aranea with snipers or rocket launchers
blissful fern
My problem with AR is the lack of ability to do anything due to one huge overhead web that can soak any damage I throw at it
That all works until the red ant and spider wave
torn saffron
it's still destructible, but it's one of the few scenarios where i'd use the cannon artillery (or just throw more KM6s at it). nixes will be your best bet for general combat.
i don't really know what else to recommend for ranger if you're getting smothered by the red ant/spiders
blissful fern
Highest level cannon I have, 200k damage. It soaks it up
I think it may be one of the few scripted things hooked up to the teleport anchor
torn saffron
i've definitely seen the supermassive webs destroyed before, but clearly it's a lot harder than i remember it being
blissful fern
I should grind for gear or something but I really do not feel like doing it now
torn saffron
the spider wave should be clearable with explosives on ranger, while the red ants can be softened up with explosives before (hopefully) being able to be dealt with while backpedalling and shotgunning
blissful fern
Shotguns work until I have to reload and get webbed
torn saffron
with sacrificial npcs if you still have them
blissful fern
Those get eaten basically wave 1
torn saffron
webbed by the aranea?
blissful fern
No, the little jumpy boys
That slows you down, easier to hit
I can only dodge so much
Besides, I really do not enjoy this game that much when I am alone
torn saffron
yeah i wouldn't really recommend shotguns for spiders. in general they're the hardest chaff enemy to clear out in groups, which is why i suggested explosives in general
unfortunately rocket launchers in 5 are kind of lousy in terms of damage iirc but it should still work on solo (offline)
blissful fern
In solo I am nowhere near 92
I think I am stuck on like 41, the fortress assault which I am extremely bored of
torn saffron
if you're playing online solo then that's kind of your problem right there—you're playing with max player scaling with only one person
blissful fern
I don't touch solo honestly
torn saffron
the multiplayer scaling ramps up to 4p scaling when you're the only person in the lobby. it drops down when you're on 2p or 3p.
blissful fern
I'll take it over having to grind out 50 levels, some just utterly miserable
potent anchor
Man, I love the lightning weapons for Wing Diver.
Especially in the tunnels.
Though the plasma weapons are starting to grow on me.
Especially the big ones
Though the Splasher isn't actually a very bad tool, especially if you just rush someone down and get close enough to where aim isn't too much concern.
lofty imp
Hot take. Weapons that are typically long distance high explosives are amazing in the caves due to sheer AoE. I love using fencer mortars in caves
I don't do wing diver much because of the constant voice line spam when dodging/flying, so I'd be interested to know if my hot take holds true for their weapons also.
torn saffron
aoe weapons are pretty strong underground even if a little haphazard
heavy mortars are if you really want to go all-in. i haven't really uses the light ones though
lofty imp
Light mortars are okay. The faster fire rate and faster recoil recovery is very useful if you want to keep mobile, but I like to make very sure that everything is DEAD dead
Related, if I ever feel vindictive or just annoyed by a difficult tunnel level, I'll pull out the dual flame revolvers. Nothing satisfies quite like shredding the bugs so insanely hard that the game crashes.
potent anchor
Hot take. Weapons that are typically long distance high explosives are amazing i...
I just like seeing all the lightning arc everywhere through the tunnels
potent anchor
Gaaame, please drop lower-level stuff, I wanna level up some of my weaker weapons for multiplayer, gaaaame
lofty imp
That is such a mood. My favorite weapons seem to consistently be the LAST ones I get fully upgraded
dusty swift
It was hidden for me ok?
grand crystal
Fair
potent anchor
So I've actually been watching some IA gameplay.
And it.. seems decent. Seems like it'd be a fun entry even if very different in terms of everything outside of gameplay.
grand crystal
Have you met the tick spider?
grand crystal
And it.. seems decent. Seems like it'd be a fun entry even if very different in ...
It’s weird
But it teaches the core ideas of EDF pretty well.
potent anchor
And the person has played the 'Ranger', the 'Fencer', and.. whatever Tactical is.
grand crystal
I've seen so far as to a giant tick spider that drops more tick spiders.
Yes. That thing.
Tactical is air raider. Ish.
potent anchor
Sometimes his class thing shows 3 classes, sometimes it shows more and then I'm confused.
grand crystal
There’s 4 classes
potent anchor
Oh yeah, there was also the 'Wing Diver' guy. Who actually has some cool looking armor.
And some neat weaponry.
grand crystal
Ranger, Fencer, !=WD, and !=AR
The most important thing about IA is you have nearly immortal AI buddies who will revive you.
And they have names
In any case I do truly recommend IA if nothing else but just so that people see the magical nonsense I had to deal with.
grand crystal
It is
grand crystal
I literally just bought it on steam Red
grand crystal
Looked like it had 6 classes?
World Brothers, it doesn’t have a class system
It’s a drunken mess of a hero shooter type thing.
It’s
Weird. Very very VERY. Weird.
grand crystal
I said weird. Not bad.
dusty swift
Like a wierd good?
potent anchor
I literally just bought it on steam Red
Well, it's so far from EDF it's not even on sale, so that's something.
grand crystal
Weird. Neutral.
potent anchor
But huh. Also has DLC...
dusty swift
A step aside from the usual EDF haunt?
potent anchor
In terms of plot, I'd argue it gets about as weird as EDF 5-6. Though the second one apparently has spoilers for 6 soooo that probably gets super weird.
grand crystal
Well, it's so far from EDF it's not even on sale, so that's something.
….. it’s literally an EDF game. What do you mean “far from EDF”
It’s the same campy gook, same enemies, same ideas. Just different.
torn saffron
edf6 might be in a dlc only, i heard that a while ago
grand crystal
Unless you mean World Brothers. In which case I say the exact same.
torn saffron
wb is kind of a neat homage to the series but goes about things in different ways
the first game has a wacky difficulty curve near the end imo
can't say anything for wb2
grand crystal
the first game has a wacky difficulty curve near the end imo
What EDF game doesn’t?
torn saffron
most.
grand crystal
No like actually EDF 4.1 and 6 have WILD difficulty ramps.
torn saffron
okay admittedly i don't remember 4.1 that well, but i specifically remember wb having a really weird, huge spike for the last five missions
grand crystal
Fair enough
potent anchor
EDF 5 with that one mission introducing the Deroid (I forgot how they spell it) variants
torn saffron
5 and 6 have difficult patches but it wasn't like wb1.
potent anchor
I'm still nervous about going back through EDF 6 and those dang flamethrowing clams.
Probably will be easier with the other classes though.
dusty swift
*EDF 5 with that one mission introducing the Deroid (I forgot how they spell it)...
The tall boys?
They had varients?
dusty swift
Oh right they got a really tall version
potent anchor
And those missiles..
dusty swift
I think the enemy me and the squad had most trouble with was the flying frog swarms
Most the tine it was just 2 of us, AR and WD
Both of which are very dangerous for saving the other
torn saffron
AR only really has KM6 or drone strafers for tadpoles, but WD should have plenty of tools suited for tadpoles that are extremely safe
the only consistently dangerous thing is her EDF6 beam sabers
mirage, glepnir, ghost chaser are some of the most reliable point defense homing tools in the game i'd say
dusty swift
Most the time she brought the high explosive/plasma stuff, star cannon, dragoon lance i think
torn saffron
yeah that stuff's not well-suited for tadpoles
star cannon is good for bees but basically only bees imo
dusty swift
Dragoon was definitely the better option for rescues since its just one beam i think
It does hiwever do like 10K damage and pierces iirc
torn saffron
i mean it does that but it's a bulky and expensive charge
i wouldn't say that WD's close range weapons are super good for tadpoles, but i would imagine things like the rapier or phalanx to do a better job at sweeping away tadpoles
i would imagine the lightning bows to do a decent job for self defense too
dusty swift
Id have to ask em
I could never really vibe with WD
Having both my mobility and my gun pull from the same pool felt off
torn saffron
i'm not a huge fan of her even if i can play her competently
but i'm a weirdo who's adapted to mouse and keyboard fencer so i'm just spoiled in that regard
dusty swift
That same friend actually prefers MnK fencer
torn saffron
considering the state of fencer's homing weapons maybe they just didn't realize how strong WD's are for anti-air
dusty swift
They had to do controller for split screen before buying the game themselves and it was described as "an AC unit without the crack"
potent anchor
I struggle a ton with using Fencer
torn saffron
it's a lot to get used to
potent anchor
I like his weapons, but I'm never able to put together a good mobile loadout
Though maybe I'm not at the level of schmoovement I keep seeing others capable of.
torn saffron
combining his weapons needs a bit of knowledge on what weapons work well together
most of his melees (excluding the jackhammer) will forcibly interrupt other animations so sustained fire weapons like gatlings cannot fire in tandem with them
gatlings are still pretty good in 6 as an accompanying mobile loadout weapon though since dashjumping only momentarily interrupts them unlike a normal dash
potent anchor
Yeeeeaaaaa, mostly been trying melee and missiles
torn saffron
i mean, give the gatlings/dexters a spin
the galleons are pretty middling
fencer's missiles aren't as good as the other classes comparatively, though they'll still do the job when you want to do something like anti-air
but they have low damage/other poor characteristics so if you don't need the tracking then another weapon will probably do the job better
potent anchor
Noted, will consider
dusty swift
My favorite build was 2 heat revolvers against the green ants
Or "crack ants" as the team calls them
potent anchor
Crack ants, my betrothed.
dusty swift
you're married to the crack ants?
dusty swift
no, thats loathed
potent anchor
Oh...
dusty swift
or beloathed
dusty swift
i figured, had to do the funni
potent anchor
What are thoughts on Iron Rain?
dusty swift
is that the minigun with a 15 second reload?
dusty swift
oh i havent played it
potent anchor
I dunno how much I'll enjoy it, but that discount is tempting..
dusty swift
i think Gurm was talking about it a bit ago
torn saffron
the huge discount is because it's kind of mediocre iirc
i haven't played it but that's the general consensus
dusty swift
They put the Uma's in the EDF
potent anchor
Dang, EDF predicted the big boom in Umamusume. I hope I spelled that right.
Also is that the second game?
torn saffron
presumably
potent anchor
UI looks a bit different
dusty swift
Also is that the second game?
yes
potent anchor
Still being playing the first one. How much was the second one improve on the first? Cause my biggest fear is having to grind and level up all these characters.
grand crystal
They put the Uma's in the EDF
they put Umas in EDF WB.
god damn.
also THOUROUGHBRED. someone didn't think that title through.
potent anchor
Problem
Distance and shield
grand crystal
Right okay so aim to the side, trigger the shield, then shoot their face.
For distance, get close. You have the raw power and mobility to do it.
potent anchor
Also that one guy is right, Plasma Cannons are amazing underground
A shame there aren't many underground missions in 6
potent anchor
Me thinking of that one section where a bunch of enemies spawn in a tight tunnel and you can just kill them all with a plasma cannon without them even getting to be a danger
potent anchor
Because underground missions suuuuuuuuuck
I mean they do in 5 for Air Raider, but the drones kinda fix that in 6.
dusty swift
Because underground missions suuuuuuuuuck
As the air raider main, hard agree
grand crystal
I mean they do in 5 for Air Raider, but the drones kinda fix that in 6.
Kinda. Slightly.
They’re still bad
dusty swift
I had to cook the worst loadouts for them
Who the hell uses limpet mines ever?
Or the buster bomb?
torn saffron
What do against ring arms and kraken?
bolt shooters, mostly
or monster
unfortunately at low levels they just kind of suck, as WD's long range equipment is generally way more inefficient than her close range stuff
for kraken, since they come in closer, you can choose things like magblasters or thunder crossbows
torn saffron
They’re still bad
anyway in 6 i'd say underground missions suck for AR the moment you can't use electroncopter to vaporize your problems
potent anchor
Never really used the Monster. It feels kinda odd.
dusty swift
I wasnt expecting my most damaging charecter thus far to be from EDF2
but its welcome
potent anchor
I hate Golden Ants....
potent anchor
The one behind me while I'm trying to snipe in an Aranea pulling me in:
torn saffron
trying to remember what mission has both aranea and gold ants
is this EDF6 DLC2? Dead Cave?
no, from what i remember you probably wouldn't be there
potent anchor
EDF5 Mission Pack 1, Mission.. 11, I think. Underground 2.
Also has a wave of Silver Spiders after you take out a couple of spawners and a wave of green ants.
I was using the Stampede, which didn't fully help, but it annihilates everything in front of me and has so much range, soooo
torn saffron
well, underground, you would like something that can sustainably keep a horde off of you
in terms of ranger this would probably be one of the flame grenades (napalm, flame geyser), but i don't know your level and honestly i don't think i've actually done EDF5's dlcs a whole lot
potent anchor
I was using the Minion Buster as well, but was originally using the Slaughter in the Normal difficulty.
Oh yeah, I was on Hard for that btw.
Wanna see what fancy weapon the pack drops.
torn saffron
the DLC's new weapons are only on inferno
the drop ranges for dlcs are usually a step higher than the main campaign on the same difficulty, so all you get is just higher level weaponry if you aren't on inferno
torn saffron
well, it says that, but no it's only on inferno
potent anchor
So it's lying to me.
torn saffron
probably a mistranslation on the "hardest" difficulty—in terms of difficulty and not literally the difficulty named Hardest
potent anchor
Greeeaaaaat....
torn saffron
you will technically get new weapons, but they'll just be the stuff from the Hardest weapon level band rather than from Hard.
potent anchor
I did it... (with a friend)
||Time has chosen humanity.||
I'm... kinda confused on what just happened.
Me and said friend are now trying to discuss the plot of EDF and how the heck EDF 7 could one-up this. ||And also trying to figure out how the hell time works.||
torn saffron
Me and said friend are now trying to discuss the plot of EDF and how the heck ED...
would you like me to explain?
potent anchor
Go ahead.
torn saffron
Go ahead.
||Time travel in the campaign is contingent on two 'types' of loops—the ones Storm 1/the Professor initiate, and the ones the Primers initiate. Only the group that initiates the loop canonically remembers anything.||
||In the Visitor missions, the Primers initiate that loop and travel back in time. The missions directly afterwards do not take place after the mission you just played, but rather a 'timeskip' where an entire Bad War happens with the Primers' new troops and strategies. The player only gets to see and play the tail end of these missions, where they go through the sequence to the Big Day missions. In effect, the entire arc you just played is only remembered by the Primers.||
||The Big Day missions are started by the Professor/Storm 1, and they are the ones who canonically remember. They only remember the events of the bad war that is mostly unseen by the player, but get to act upon their knowledge until the next Visitor mission, where it's assumed that they only carry on with the knowledge they learned in the bad war.||
||In effect, Storm 1/the Professor are repeating the wars twice each cycle, but you only see their second try; they only remember their first attempt. The new enemies you see in the following arc have been presumably fought by them before in the unseen bad war.||
||The main difference is that Storm 1 and the Professor are being sent back progressively further back in time, where they can have a bigger impact on the war's outcome. On the flipside, the Primers are honing their technique to completely wipe out humanity in the future.||
||The breaking point with the ??? missions implies that there were way way more loops than we actually play through, until you happen to be in the right place at the right time and directly attack the time ships, which also persist through time loops. This presumably diminishes the Primers' warfighting abilities until they fail to significantly change the timeline even after travelling back in time during Visitors.||
||At the end, the Primers are basically sunk-cost-fallacying themselves and have their future selves sending more things to the past to make sure everything goes right. Humanity causes a time paradox by polluting Mars and ending the Primers before they're even born, thus removing the need for them to pollute Mars in the first place. The paradox is solved with a fight of obscene proportions.||
potent anchor
||So.. the loop ended?||
torn saffron
||yes, the loop ends after all the primers are presumably wiped from existence by the forceful solution of the time paradox||
||just some pinkie promise by Time to let it slide and let this timeline continue onward||
grand crystal
||their civilization seemingly collapsed in on itself sending a mechanized city dragon into the past. or what Boring said.||
||in any case the loop finally closed and stopped trying to destroy the past.||
potent anchor
||My friend, who loves time travel in stories, came away from it thinking the loop was a.. whatever you call a loop that could be broken with Storm 1 being the main paradox throughout each loop and thinking that gassing up Mars is just gonna make new Primers in the future. Also with the idea that everyone was very misinformed in the story compared to EDF 5. I was.. very confused by his interpretation of the events.||
potent anchor
||The main difference is that Storm 1 and the Professor are being sent back prog...
||Can't help but wonder how destroying those time ships one time causes such a hole in their capabilities.. though I guess that loops (heh) around to how the loop works in terms of the Primers forgetting when Storm 1 initiates the loop?||
grand crystal
I mean. So. Mmmm. Here’s the thing.
The entire plot of EDF6 is even more B Movie nonsense than usual. So. Trying to plan or logic it out is. Uhhh. An sysaphysian task.
torn saffron
||i mean it's kind of a classic time loop scenario, just with two different parties each trying to improve each loop||
torn saffron
sisyphean
grand crystal
Thanks
potent anchor
||He was also very insistent that the Alien God in 5 and Serpent Alien Time-God in 6 aren't actually gods.||
grand crystal
I say let the plot rumble in the background as you enjoy all the cool bits. That’s how I’ve always treated it in EDF.
potent anchor
Honestly, I'm just wondering how the heck EDF 7 is gonna one-up this.
grand crystal
||He was also very insistent that the Alien God in 5 and Serpent Alien Time-God ...
||well they aren’t. but they might as well be.||
torn saffron
i personally think they tied the plot into the actual game medium really well
the preset mission layouts and mission select give you basically a new reference point to see what has changed
grand crystal
i personally think they tied the plot into the actual game medium really well
Oh certainly. Very well done. But also I think it’s fun to turn the brain off and blow up some ants.
torn saffron
sorry, my last experience in edf6 was DLC2 on Inferno, which is an extremely turn brain on and focus experience.
grand crystal
Honestly, I'm just wondering how the heck EDF 7 is gonna one-up this.
It honestly doesn’t need to. I’d love to see a more grounded EDF story ala Insect Armageddon again.
One city dealing with one invasion.
It’s been long enough giving it a shot would be neat again.
grand crystal
sorry, my last experience in edf6 was DLC2 on Inferno, which is an extremely tur...
Okay yeah that’s fair.
potent anchor
I'm tempted to get 4.1 one day. ||I hear that's where we started killing god, except god isn't really.. god there. From what I hear at least.||
And also the EDF 6 DLCs, especially since they seem to expand on the story.
grand crystal
torn saffron
dlc1 expands and is a challenge, dlc2 is a super mega challenge
only caution is that the dlc1 default droprate actually just sucks
like it completely blows ass. you have supersized deadly enemy variants with the same droprates as normal enemies
grand crystal
Ew
torn saffron
i had gotten a mod for my game to have better droprates, which fortunately syncs with people not running that mod—so long as you're host
with balanced droprates i think it's a worthwhile experience even below inferno
potent anchor
Ew
torn saffron
but otherwise without the drops it's basically just a lore supplement
like the best farming mission on that dlc is the mission with zero new enemies
lofty imp
No one likes them
Ahem scuze you. Dual flame revolvers make them one of my favorite mission types, and also very likely to crash my game from sheer carnage.
potent anchor
Should my rocket turrets be killing all my allies? Is that my b?
torn saffron
depends for rocket turrets
i don't think the chance for the projectiles to directly hit is very high even if they did
but if enemies get too close then the explosives will still hurt plenty
lofty imp
I've messed with the high tier rocket turrets from 5, and they are messy. I find the safest way to use them is to throw them behind you as you run away, and activate them when the enemy is passing over them
Either that, or bring one of the EM walls/shelter items also, and use it as a buffer.
Just know that explosions go through them, or at least all the one's I've tried. If there is one that blocks explosions, I haven't unlocked it
torn saffron
i think explosives just go through them
it's not quite clear
might depend on the size of the explosion, because some vague memory makes me want to think that smaller ones don't
lofty imp
The blast definitely does, although rockets/bullets don't. At least, they don't go through a fair number of the walls.
Some walls do let friendly fire through
torn saffron
either way EM shields + turrets in one loadout is unfortunately only a luxury afforded to an EDF5 air raider
lofty imp
Yep. Personally, I think those are great in tunnel missions, but awful everywhere else.
Too easy for enemies to just flank around, or over your head otherwise.
torn saffron
EM shields?
they're not good for mobile play or against chaff enemies, no. but they're pretty damn useful when fighting any kind of ranged enemy
lofty imp
I think its called Electromagnetic Wall, or some variant of that
I don't do Air Raider too often
torn saffron
there's a lot of shields, it's an entire line
the midgame/later variants have enough to cover all your sides—either in a circle or by stacking them so that you form a 'block' of shields
lofty imp
But the reason I like them in caves is because of the ants and spiders. Blocks their shots so you can unload on them at close range in relative safety
torn saffron
interesting
lofty imp
Golden ants on high difficulty are especially dangerous in caves.
torn saffron
it's been a while since i've done edf5 underground AR so i don't really recall much
but they're tanky (especially in 6 online) and the only way to provide one-way damage mitigation if you're not a fencer
lofty imp
In most cases, its just Navigate the maze and magdump as fast as possible while the swarm tries to push through the tunnel faster than you can kill them.
There were 3 standout levels that I can recall. The first Queen mission, one that involved walking over a ton of narrow paths, and another with narrow paths and teleportation anchors.
torn saffron
right, i'm remembering now
yeah those werent very pretty as AR
i was mostly a depth crawler + boost post + turrets guy
lofty imp
I bet. Those three levels felt custom built to screw over the Air Ranger. No bombers/call-ins, but wide open spaces that enemies can navigate easily.
torn saffron
but, yeah, EM shields are mostly useful against ranged enemies like drones or aliens whose attacks are mostly unavoidable for an AR.
especially for cosmonaut missions in 5 or DLC missions in 6
lofty imp
Cosmonaut missions? Is that a DLC addon?
torn saffron
no, they're the armored guys
lofty imp
Oh, those.
Yeah, I can see it. I never really fought them with AR. I dabbled a bit, but not that much.
Fencer was always my go-to. Loved the weapons
lofty imp
Didn't like the hammers or shields for fencer though. They felt..... too niche. Almost like someone added them because they loved the idea, but never actually used them.
torn saffron
the hammers are pretty useless but the shields are extremely powerful
lofty imp
I always go max mobility, with heavy arty on slots 3 and 4
So Dex shotgun and Lance in first two slots, and dispersal mortar and heavy mortar on 3 and 4
torn saffron
in 5 with all the cosmonauts, being able to negate basically all of their incoming damage and run up to them with a melee is very strong
lofty imp
True. I can't deny that several of the lances would chew through their armor really fast
torn saffron
usually a deflect cell (all-rounder performance) and a dash cell works well enough to make a mobile shield build that can withstand the heat of several cosmonauts while also being able to run around them
this obviously comes at the cost of sacrificing a weapon slot for a shield and losing out on the dashboost mobility combo, but for enemies with hard-to-dodge attacks it's useful
lofty imp
Yeah, you play pretty differently than I do. I try not to let the enemy get close enough to be able to shoot me.