Magic The Gathering

[sudden wren]

and make sure where your cards are when playing against theft

and etc etc

honestly? i believe shuffling decks mid-game takes up at least 25%-50% of a game of paper magic

[solemn topaz]

Look I just want a consistent play group that isn’t a bunch of 40 something dicking around with speed kill decks.

Cause like

Nobody seems to build for fun. At least in the LGSes I’ve played at

And by “build for fun” I mean some people have built decks that are literally “fun for me, none for you”

[sudden wren]

tbf, everyones fun is subjective
but I also get what you mean

yeah

i mean

-gestures to my shrine/monk/gates deck-

nobody plays shrines like that

except me

i have a problem with thematics and flavor

in that I always prefer it over actually good stuff

[solemn topaz]

I mean that’s acceptable in moderation, but I’ve encountered enough people that basically just…. Their goal is to ruthlessly crush the table while being a twat about it.

[sudden wren]

yeah

i dont like those people either

another thing I dont like though is people who throw the game without saying they throw the game

[solemn topaz]

Well that can be down to a lot of factors but yes.

[sudden wren]

there was this one guy I saw around on cockatrice before i think he got kicked/banned
he always shuffled up with a merfolk deck, but whenever his stuff got removed, he claimed he was being targeted
and then he just sat in the corner in a funk not actually doing anything to contribute to the game and actively making bad plays because he "didn't care"

[solemn topaz]

……..

Okay like, there are times when you are targeted

See: games where 2 blue players made me physically unable to play the game.

[sudden wren]

usually when you have an oppressive board presence

[solemn topaz]

But that’s just sad

[sudden wren]

or people just dont like you

[solemn topaz]

Or they see Muldrotha and well

They sure aren’t gonna let you pull out the drotha.

[sudden wren]

i've gotten targeted many games because people are scared of eldrazi and slivers and shrines and-

when i actually havent even done much

[solemn topaz]

To be fair: those are scary threats…. When abstracted

This is the issue with randoms

They don’t know how your deck plays

What its goals are

[sudden wren]

yeah

even if you tell them

[solemn topaz]

And so there are, healthy, happy sliver and Eldrazi decks.

Just ya know. People have gotten curb stomped a few too many times

[sudden wren]

people are scared when they see them

[solemn topaz]

Ye

[sudden wren]

but in actuality...
again, these decks usually rely on a few key pieces

for slivers, its usually the 5c ones

hivelord, first sliver, legion, etc

(which are, reminder, a pain to cast)

and for eldrazi, its usually duplicaters and/or mana ramp
Echoes of Eternity, Ulalek, Azlask, Zhulodok, the titans

5 to 10+ cmc cards btw, and usually require either WUBRG to actually do stuff, or need a ton of colorless pips

which requires set-up

set-up is the name of the game for alot of these very bombastic decks

i know
i spend my entire games hoping I can get my set up XD

[solemn topaz]

Yeah it’s…. It’s one of the reasons I don’t like when people swap decks every game.

You don’t get to learn anything. It’s just a constant cycle of assumptions and guessing.

[sudden wren]

do you have any idea how PAINFUL it is to be ONE PIP OFF of casting Echoes of Eternities?

ITS TORTURE

[solemn topaz]

It turns from a game of gleaning info to “let’s hope this one can’t 3 shot me”

[sudden wren]

but i also don't run dual lands cause taplands suck

and [BLANK] moon sucks harder

[solemn topaz]

No. I don’t. Do you know how funny it is to hard cast a Shaman of Forgotten Ways ferocious?

People really never see it coming

It’s great

https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=394688

[sudden wren]

thats hilarious

i also just hate nonbasics in general, actually

[solemn topaz]

You should use some

At least some stuff for mana fixing

[sudden wren]

eh

i have 1 of 2 modes

1 almost all basics
2 no basics

[solemn topaz]

Put in teramorphic expanse and evolving wilds.

[sudden wren]

i rarely see these, but im always scared of them

i also just
like my lands entering untapped

[solemn topaz]

Anywho this is fun because if I’m doing poorly one game, but am hitting my land drops (but not any power plays) eventually, often enough, I’ll get to pull it off. And then I get to laugh.

[solemn topaz]

Dude. Nobody runs those except in specialized disruption strats. You need to move past it.

[sudden wren]

me when I set my opponents life total to 1 (they had a little token out)

[sudden wren]

NEVER

[solemn topaz]

Sigh

[sudden wren]

it also drives up the price of my decks

which isnt relevant for cockatrice, but its relevant for my ease of mind

[solemn topaz]

It’s closer to 3 in my experience. But yeah.

[sudden wren]

again, some day I want to own my deck in paper

[solemn topaz]

And then you get to slaughter them with varmints.

[sudden wren]

i even have card sleeves already prepped for the deck

[sudden wren]

oh dear lord XD

[solemn topaz]

In a muldrotha deck Endia

I’ve had 20+ summoned in single turns.

Sure, they’ve got SS, but….. well….. let’s just say that’s only failed me on 2 occasions

[sudden wren]

i love how i've been sitting here talking about magic when I had booted up warframe to do Xaku Prime grind

[solemn topaz]

I’ve also got plants. https://mtgajson.untapped.gg/art/full_grpid/en/512/mkm/89121.webp

[sudden wren]

oh yeah, thats a good card

[solemn topaz]

Cheap too.

Less than a buck.

[sudden wren]

you could put in Avenger of Zendikar and Splendid Reclamation :]

[solemn topaz]

No.

On zendikar

[sudden wren]

tssssk

[solemn topaz]

Too far removed from Muldrotha strats

[sudden wren]

i mean, not really
you reanimate it and get EVEN MORE plant tokens

and then you have 2 effects buffing your plant tokens

[solemn topaz]

Splendid reclamation is just… eh?

I have other ways to do that

Already

[sudden wren]

true, but splendid is all at once

so you can suprise your opponenet with "haha, 10 landfall triggers!"

and then, you know

turn your opponents into mulch

[solemn topaz]

Bah.

I’d just use landfall to mill myself

[sudden wren]

speaking of Mulch, wouldn't be a bad card suggestion in my mind

[solemn topaz]

Crab is good friend for self mill

[sudden wren]

crab is a good friend of self mill

do you have the Infestations?

honestly, I may build a muldrotha deck myself, thinking about it
i've always thought muldrotha was cool, but felt very...."generic graveyard recursion"

so i never really could think of an Aesthetic goal for the deck

[solemn topaz]

Busy, I’ll give you deck list later today and we can talk more

[sudden wren]

nah, dont need to send me a decklist
i tend to just build my own way, though i'd be fine with talking about it

[slate olive]

Am I reading correctly that Crawling Sensation is literally just a better Crawling Infestation, as it has no "This ability triggers only once each turn" qualifier?

[sudden wren]

it says "first time each turn"

[solemn topaz]

And that doesn’t reset if you bounce it IIRC

[solemn topaz]

....... why has out of the tombs quadrupled in price

what happened

[sudden wren]

they released more mill decks

[solemn topaz]

such as

including cards known as?

names. I need names.

[steep quartz]

ooh, another scarecrow.

[sudden wren]

we got a decent chunk of scarecrows from Duskmourn

[steep quartz]

Maybe the scarecrow typal deck I was messing with will actually be more... you know, actual scarecrows now. And have more to do.

[sudden wren]

anyways, im looking at these commanders for a self-mill deck
thoughts?

[solemn topaz]

..... really? thats what spiked the price? those cards?

two of those arent even from when the price spiked!

[sudden wren]

-shrug-

[solemn topaz]

well Im fiarly certain grist can't just be your commander even though he's legendary he aint a creature.

[sudden wren]

they can be

[solemn topaz]

and of those

the one with the best synergy is Muldrotha

[solemn topaz]

..............

[sudden wren]

:]

Grist is funky like that

but they're best for insect tribal AND mill

[steep quartz]

Also, the first grist in that collection is the back side of a transforming legend.

[sudden wren]

yeah

[solemn topaz]

obviously. of course. because why not. that makes complete sense.

[steep quartz]

a la baby jace.

[solemn topaz]

well that I presumed

I was talking about the last grist

which now I am informed

due to a ruling I personally consider stupid

[sudden wren]

i mean, the ability DOES say anywhere but the battlefield, its a creature

[solemn topaz]

btu nobody ever liked my takes

[solemn topaz]

I still think the ruling of "this applies even during deck building" is sily.

ANYWHO

not a great pick for a self mill commander

insect? sure.

[sudden wren]

its actually a very good pick for self mill

[solemn topaz]

but not self mill

[sudden wren]

yes self mill

you want your graveyard chonky full

[solemn topaz]

yeah. and you have a giant shining beacon of "please stab me right here to stop me from doing anything"

[sudden wren]

thats why you have tokens to block

and even then, im sure you have alternate ways to profit in the deck

[solemn topaz]

I personally think he is good tech, as a win con in a self mill deck, but not a good commander choice.

[steep quartz]

anyway, sidestepping this to talk about scarecrows... I'm honestly not sure how well those fit into scarecrow typal. But that's the issue the deck has always had. Scarecrows never had a unified identity, and they're never released in enough volume to really create a unified theme.

[sudden wren]

ill let you deliberate on the rest of the cards while I go walk my dogs

[steep quartz]

I guess delirium is the most functional of the random crow mechanics.

[sudden wren]

if you play Scarecrow king, im murdering you

[steep quartz]

Why? It's funny.

[sudden wren]

but rendmaw might be the best bet because of "artifact creature" typeline

[sudden wren]

because ive had way too many experience with the guy being just

so

annoying

me when I clear my opponents lands

[solemn topaz]

well now he looks fun

did somebody say "bounce central"?

[sudden wren]

until you realize people just play cheap changelings

[solemn topaz]

yeah.

why wouldnt you

[sudden wren]

. . .

[steep quartz]

And that's why I want more actual scarecrows.

[sudden wren]

wheres my knife

I need to stab someone

[steep quartz]

Because cheap changelings are lame.

[solemn topaz]

oh absolutely. they suck and are horrible. but if you wish to be an absolute gremlin with King, then yeah its a good option

an actual proper scarecrow deck would be wonderful

[sudden wren]

thats not being a gremlin

being a gremlin implies you're being a goober

destroy whatever whenever you etb is

not being a goober

you just shoot peoples lands

[solemn topaz]

Endia. being a Gremlin has a lot of options.

[steep quartz]

Changelings are great for a lot of very dumb things. But I don't want my Reaper King Scarecrow Typal deck to be Changeling.deck with Reaper King at the helm.

[solemn topaz]

yeah

[sudden wren]

gremlin implies fun

this is not fun

[solemn topaz]

man if you could get some proper graveyard recursion going..... theres some spicy plays with crows

[solemn topaz]

no it doesnt.

yes in modern terminology the meaning has drifted.

but

in my opinion

puts strip mine in muldrotha deck

that is being a gremlin

a piece of garbage you want to curb stomp

[steep quartz]

Meanwhile I'm doing stupid shit like a deck where Every Card is double faced.

Yes, even the lands.

Because fuck you.

[solemn topaz]

anywho finally got muldrotha typed up all over again.

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/10149439/super_awesome_deck_name_2000_what_it_told_me_to_name_it_that

yes I know you said you didnt want a deck list, but it helps me personally think out reaosnings if I can point to it on why one wants certain things and not others

[solemn topaz]

oh good heavens no I havent ACTUALLY put strip mine in here

that things like 20 bucks

also

I dont want to be beaten within an inch of my life

[steep quartz]

https://deckstats.net/decks/248660/3464049-even-more-janus

[solemn topaz]

oh jesus christ Chor

does this deck even.... function?!

you have 13 lands

this

this is cursed

well okay technically more because of flips

but still

my god

[steep quartz]

ehehehehehe

[sudden wren]

what is going on here?

[solemn topaz]

Chor being..... Chor.

[steep quartz]

Every card in the deck is double faced.

Every. Card.

Honestly, probably one of the dumber decks I've made.

[solemn topaz]

eh

I mean

Ive seen worse

[steep quartz]

Note, I did say one of.

[solemn topaz]

your deck is at least theoretically playable

[steep quartz]

I've made dumber.

Also, some of the names for these decks are very dumb.

[solemn topaz]

I didnt even bother to "name" mine

[sudden wren]

you have
a disgusting OKO in here

[steep quartz]

(I just realized that it's been so long since I looked at my decks that I'd forgotten about the banning of mana crypt and jeweled lotus)

[solemn topaz]

dude. how do you think I punch up against decks that can cripple me within moments

Endia. this deck is something I have refined and built upon set after set, creating a functioning stratagy out of madness

[sudden wren]

idfk
i never really put tech in my deck to Punch Up because I just never care to

[solemn topaz]

and sometimes, you have to drop your morals and realize not using oko was suboptimal.

especially with this much recursion

[sudden wren]

i used to play with so many randos that i just couldnt care

[solemn topaz]

I have to punch up because I jplay with randoms

[sudden wren]

i will never drop my morals

[solemn topaz]

some of those lunatics bring some obcene monsterous decks to CASUAL MAGIC

[sudden wren]

my 60 cards are always 2-ofs and 4-ofs, and my decks a never 100% optimal

[steep quartz]

You actually play your commander decks?

[sudden wren]

yes

[solemn topaz]

this one yeah.

and only this one

its my baby

Ive been working on this thing since highschool

[sudden wren]

Murder over Hero's Downfall?

[solemn topaz]

the hells heros downfall

[sudden wren]

better murder

[solemn topaz]

oh I know why I dont use that card Endia. ITS BECAUSE I DONT OWN IT

[sudden wren]

its less than a dollar

its less than 50 cents

[solemn topaz]

notice how this deck has random nonsense in it that is horribly suboptimal.

because I use what I have and what Ive occationally bought

[sudden wren]

fair enough then

[solemn topaz]

well thats good to know. I also didnt know of its existence

[steep quartz]

I'm joking because the people that wanted me to get into Magic so we could play a commander pod never actually organized a dang game

[sudden wren]

well now you do

[solemn topaz]

now I do

[sudden wren]

anyways, this deck looks good

now to make my version of Muldrotha and watch you cry ;P

i will say

Totem Armor is a FANTASTIC idea that I never thought about

[steep quartz]

Like, they talked about playing and putting a pod together the whole time I was making the deck and working on the proxy art for it, and when I actually had a different deck set up so we could play because proxy art was taking longer than expected, suddenly absolutely nothing.

[sudden wren]

Proxies...

[steep quartz]

Literally the only games I've played of commander were against a coworker in one on one. And I always lost fantastically.

[solemn topaz]

if you wanna know the current wishlist to improve the deck its as follows

(burried alive is currently a maybe)

[sudden wren]

image failure

[solemn topaz]

yeah yeah hush you

[steep quartz]

Also yes, proxies. I'm an artist and I really liked the deck I made, so I decided to splash out and make a full set of proxy art for my cards.

[sudden wren]

t wit and double entomb are good picks

[solemn topaz]

there we go

fixeded

[sudden wren]

ah, alright

i was expecting a justification for proxying expensive cards

[sudden wren]

ewitt and twitt are good picks in this deck

[steep quartz]

I mean, expense was a part of it, but it was mostly because I wanted cool unified art schemes for my deck.

[sudden wren]

oh

[solemn topaz]

those 6 cards, to my current knowledge, will massively spike the decks potential in horrifying efficency. witnesses replace suboptimal grave grabbers, foundation breaker is just a better naturalizer, and Uro is.... well its Uro. come on. look at him.

now of course, there are always cards I dont know about, and always new cards releasing

but

[sudden wren]

3 mana repeatable Growth Spiral

amazing

[solemn topaz]

I would personally think Ive built a pretty damned good muldrotha deck (with what Ive got)

[sudden wren]

hmm

[solemn topaz]

obviously more cheap counterspells would be nice. mana drain would be.... well mana drain.

etc etc.

[sudden wren]

i actually...dont know if I can build a muldrotha deck thats too far different from yours :kek:

[solemn topaz]

welcome to optimization.

suffer

and welcome to my domain

[sudden wren]

nah, not cause of optimization, but because I just

prefer self mill?

and like cards that synergize with my 2 favorite self mill enchantments

[sudden wren]

you should put in void shatter

:]

[steep quartz]

You want suffering? Behold. https://deckstats.net/decks/248660/3512624-april-15th

[solemn topaz]

but what if I wanna steal that card later.

or what if I wanna counter an ability

[sudden wren]

-checking the deck-

you have theft effects?

[solemn topaz]

oh no a CODE DECK.

[solemn topaz]

does nobody EVER READ LILIANA

COME ON

[sudden wren]

a

minus 8

on a planeswalker

[steep quartz]

Codie got a job at the IRS.

[sudden wren]

is that your only theft card, gurm?

[steep quartz]

Hope you like paying the 1. And the 2. And the... Look, there's a lot of taxes here.

[sudden wren]

what does april 15th mean?

[steep quartz]

Tax day in the US.

[sudden wren]

oh

actually, thats a thought

just in general (ignore codie deck), what do you guys think of people who dont pay taxes in games?

[steep quartz]

As in people that don't opt to pay things like the rhystic studies negate cost?

[sudden wren]

negate cost?

but yeah, rhystic study, smothering tithe, etc etc

[steep quartz]

I am in the milleu of many card games. counterspell type effects in Yu-Gi-Oh are called negates.

[sudden wren]

rhystic study doesn't counterspell though

[steep quartz]

No, it doesn't. But paying the 1 effectively counters the activation of the effect.

[sudden wren]

ooooooh

[steep quartz]

which is equivalent to negating an activation.

Anyway, I don't really have an opinion on it. It's nice that your abilities get to go off without issue.

[sudden wren]

i know people who get annoyed that people dont pay them because it gives the opponent free value

[steep quartz]

I mean, the card is literally balanced around it being a choice. No point in begrudging someone for making either choice.

How do we feel about egg typal? https://deckstats.net/decks/248660/3554388-what-you-egg-

It's not a full type-only deck, but the core of the deck strat is egg typal synergies and payoffs.

[solemn topaz]

I mean...... uhhhh...... I have oko.

[sudden wren]

. . .

who is also a planeswalker...

and whos theft ability is...on their ultimate, ye?

[steep quartz]

Speaking of theft...

https://deckstats.net/decks/248660/3459593-chronic-backstabbing-syndrome

[solemn topaz]

I mean if you wanna call a -5 on a planeswalker who starts at 4 loyalty an ultimate

sure

[solemn topaz]

you love your flip cards dontcha

or no wait

[sudden wren]

oh yeah, cause Oko is broken

[solemn topaz]

PARTNER?!

EW

[steep quartz]

I mean, I do love DFCs.

[solemn topaz]

oh my god why cant anyone just play normal cards anymore

[steep quartz]

But yeah, this is a partner deck. For very dumb reasons.

My man, I never played normal cards.

I mean, this is a sacrifice deck whose gimmick is that it doesn't sacrifice its own creatures.

[solemn topaz]

that.... considering you..... that makes a lot of sense

[solemn topaz]

well now thats fun

this altar of dementia though..... now that is a spicy bit of tech..... ohohoho.

[steep quartz]

Steal the opponent's cards, use them, then sac them off for value.

[solemn topaz]

TEN DOLLARS?

why does everything have to be so expensive

[steep quartz]

it's old as sin.

[sudden wren]

imagine thinking 10 dollars is expensive for mtg

-eyes dual lands-

[solemn topaz]

yeah. and to buy a basic no frills burger around here is 25 bucks. I dont like spending money. get used to it.

[sudden wren]

...i was going to build a deck and i forgot what deck i wanted to build

[solemn topaz]

self mill

you were going ot build self mill

[sudden wren]

oh yeah

[solemn topaz]

thats how we got here

[sudden wren]

i wish i had a good Delirium commander in jund that isnt Winter

[solemn topaz]

okay so question for the gallery, I feel clever putting heaped harvest in my muldrotha deck.

but like.

am I actually being clever or am I just being silly.

it replaced..... gah whats that damned elk

[steep quartz]

Also, my favorite dumb as hell deck: https://deckstats.net/decks/248660/3503791-hey-look-over-there-

[solemn topaz]

here we are.

this thingy

[sudden wren]

hmm

[solemn topaz]

I replaced that with this

[sudden wren]

5 mana, fetch 2 lands over 2 triggers, versus 6 mana, fetch 2 lands off of 1 trigger

[solemn topaz]

its 1 mana less, for the same effect, and is split up so I get value even if I dont want the full pay off.

[sudden wren]

id say heaped harvest is better

cause you're reanimating any permenant, not just creatures

[steep quartz]

It feels marginally better than the hart, in the same way that Eldritch Blast is marginally better than fire bolt if you don't have Agonizing Blast.

[solemn topaz]

fair nuff

[steep quartz]

impact is comparable, but you have more flexibility and are less likely to experience waste with it.

[solemn topaz]

I snagged it from my BLB pre release and its one of the cards from BLB that ended up in the deck.

[steep quartz]

Also, I can almost guarantee that nobody can guess the strategy of the Rukarumel deck I linked earlier.

[sudden wren]

this looks good so far :]

[sudden wren]

i hate rukarumel so im not even gonna try

[solemn topaz]

please. please put in a dual land. I beg.

[solemn topaz]

hold up dont tell me I wanna look

[sudden wren]

alright

[solemn topaz]

chorr

that link doesn.... work?

[steep quartz]

?

What?

[solemn topaz]

nevermind that deckstats just seems to refuse to load on my computer now

yaaaaaaay

Im stuck in enterally loading hell

[steep quartz]

Wack.

[solemn topaz]

indeed

Im gonna ignore the problem and hope it goes away in a while

time to do some more muldrotha research!

and glare angrily at prices

[steep quartz]

//Main
1 Rukarumel, Biologist #!Commander
1 Ally Encampment
1 Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle
1 Avatar of Discord
1 Belligerent Hatchling
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Blood Crypt
1 Boldwyr Heavyweights
1 Breeding Pool
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Chronozoa
1 Cloudform
1 Coat of Arms
1 Command Tower
1 Crumbling Vestige
1 Cryptic Coat
1 Darksteel Forge
1 Eater of Days
1 Endless Whispers
1 Ethereal Ambush
1 Exotic Orchard
1 Fierce Invocation
2 Forest
1 Formless Nurturing
1 Gemstone Caverns
1 Gemstone Mine
1 Godless Shrine
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Hide in Plain Sight
1 Hunted Bonebrute
1 Hunted Horror
1 Hunted Nightmare
1 Hunted Phantasm
1 Hunted Troll
1 Illusionary Mask
2 Island
1 Kindred Dominance
1 Leveler
1 Lightform
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Lord of Tresserhorn
1 Mana Confluence
1 Mastery of the Unseen
1 Mirrex
2 Mountain
1 Myriad Landscape
1 Nova Chaser
1 Noxious Hatchling
1 Omarthis, Ghostfire Initiate
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Paradise Mantle
1 Phage the Untouchable
1 Phyrexian Dreadnought
2 Plains
1 Primordial Mist
1 Rageform
1 Ransom Note
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Scroll of Fate
1 Secluded Courtyard
1 Shrewd Hatchling
1 Soul Summons
1 Soul-Strike Technique
1 Spawning Kraken
1 Steam Vents
1 Stifle
1 Stomping Ground
1 Sturdy Hatchling
1 Sultai Emissary
1 Sundial of the Infinite
2 Swamp
1 Temple Garden
1 Tempting Wurm
1 Temur War Shaman
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 The World Tree
1 Thoughtweft Trio
1 Torpor Orb
1 Tribute Mage
1 Trickbind
1 Trinket Mage
1 Ugin's Mastery
1 Unclaimed Territory
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Urtet, Remnant of Memnarch
1 Vannifar, Evolved Enigma
1 Veiled Ascension
1 Voidslime
1 Voracious Hatchling
1 Watery Grave
1 Whisperwood Elemental
1 Wildcall
1 Wormfang Manta
1 Write into Being
1 Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth

[solemn topaz]

siiiiggghhhhhh

acceptable. I geuss.

[sudden wren]

you said a dual land

[steep quartz]

There's the deck in raw text form if you want to suffer through that.

[sudden wren]

you never said any specific type of dual land

[solemn topaz]

I did.

I did in fact

I

yeah

[solemn topaz]

nah Im good Ill just wait for it to load in a new tab

OH AND NOW YOU LAOD

INSTANTLLY

SCREW YOU TOO grumble grumble

sl.... sli.... sliv..... pannik

[steep quartz]

Look at the actual creatures. No slivers there.

[solemn topaz]

no 3tc?

[steep quartz]

3tc?

[solemn topaz]

3 tree city

[steep quartz]

Is that new?

[solemn topaz]

THE.... what do we call them now? land

ally? no wait thats a creature type.

[solemn topaz]

relatively

[steep quartz]

I haven't touched deckbuilding in 5+ months.

[steep quartz]

The word you're looking for is "typal". And it's not really a typal deck. Not exactly.

Typal stuff just helps make it easier.

[solemn topaz]

Chorr.

why is this a manafest deck.

I have

questions.

[steep quartz]

It's not quite a manifest deck.

Manifest is just one way to achieve the goals of the deck.

[solemn topaz]

ohhhhh

ahahahahahah

I think

hold on

lemme collect my thoughts

but I think Ive cracked it

okay heres my guess: you manafest/cloak cards, to get massive creatures for nearly free, while not experiencing any of their negative balancing effects, turning into a big stompy monster mash.

yeeeessss. ahahaha. oh this. this is actually evil I love it.

[steep quartz]

Close enough.

Though I think you missed the card that is the actual core of this deck.

[solemn topaz]

I never called out any cards by name. what do you consider the core of the deck?

I have a few guesses

[steep quartz]

Manifest and Cloak are just less effective ways of applying the Illusionary Mask effect.

[solemn topaz]

yeah. you do love that mask dontcha

[steep quartz]

I mean... I made a deck around a strategy enabled by it. I wouldn't put it in any other deck, though.

But I love cards that fundamentally change how you think about the gamestate, even in deckbuilding.

[solemn topaz]

they are fun

its why I love Muldrotha

although shes a bit more straightforward than mask

[sudden wren]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/10150559/self_mill

done

[steep quartz]

But yeah, I have searchers in the deck specifically so I can get to mask and start the fuckery. Not a ton of searchers, but a number. I guess I could dilute the fuckery to make getting to mask in particular more reliable, but where's the fun in that.

Just make a deck that does stupid things no matter what.

[sudden wren]

oh wait, i forgot a good card for this

The Blob

there we go

[steep quartz]

God, I have so many dumb meme decks that still make me smile.

[sudden wren]

Tarmogoyf, but gooey

[solemn topaz]

..... do.... do muldrotha players not know how to play their own commander?

my god so many.... so many decks are just so moronic.

[steep quartz]

Like a Bolas Group Hug deck.

[sudden wren]

wdym?

[solemn topaz]

a significant number of muldrotha players put in cards that let you play lands from your graveyard.

why.

you have muldrotha

you will have muldrotha

[sudden wren]

what if you cant cast muldrotha?

commander tax IS a thing

[solemn topaz]

then you have other more significant issues and need to claw back control over gamestate.

muldrotha is a control deck. it wants to control the flow of the game so that it can out value people

your goal is to slow everyone down to your level as a 6 CMC commander

[sudden wren]

hah

most people play Muldrotha for mid-range, graveyard value

and also, controlling the flow of the game with 3 opponents can be tricky

[solemn topaz]

oh certainly

its difficult

and sometimes impossible

if impossible, look meek while trying to setup your grave

[sudden wren]

pffft

unrelated, i build a delirium standard deck
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/10150916/jund_delirium

[solemn topaz]

look I get why you're laughing and pfffting, but, as someone who has played muldrotha in bad situations..... being able to play lands from grave really doesnt save you as much as you think it would. oh sure its nice, its helpful, but if you are setting your deck up correctly it shouldnt be the difining difference.

I guess it assists in ramp? but then theres better options.

the deck lists I see stack the ability to play extra lands every turn with the ability to play them from grave, which, at that point, why are you playing muldrotha as your commander? you're a landfall deck without the payoff.

These 2 cards are honestly probably the best of what you want in a drotha deck.

free cards from grave, passively, as you happen to get them in there.

certainly there are control stratagies that want extra lands per turn + strip mine, but like.... again, why drotha

why not a commander that enhances that stratagy

[sudden wren]

when i go "hah", its cause something doesnt sound right
when i go "pfft", it's cause Im amused

[solemn topaz]

I see

[sudden wren]

very simlar thing with "Huh" and "huh?"
one is a version of "thats neat" and the other is "what?"

[solemn topaz]

hm yes. this is a casual deck. mhm.

[steep quartz]

I mean... it could be if the cost comes from the cards being old and the person has a vintage card collection.

... Vintage in the general language sense, not Vintage the MTG format.

[solemn topaz]

oh absolutely 90+% of the cost is from lands

Im just making fun of it

[sudden wren]

gotta love mana bases, huh?

hence why i prefer basics

[solemn topaz]

yeahhhhhh

man I didnt realize the Wren and Worldbreaker was so..... interesting

now theres..... theres one hell of a card

ehehehhe

I mean..... it makes muldrotha obsolete..... ehehehhehehhehehe

a backup plan to destroy all other backup plans

well. that was a nice purchase of cards

woo

[sudden wren]

i want a creature version of worldbreaker

err

realmbreaker*

[solemn topaz]

well thats the most horrifying thing Ive ever seen.

TLDR: it was 1 order of 25.86, spread across 4 packages. for SOME REASON. in my email it showed up as 4 seperate orders of 25.86 and nearly gave me a panick attack.

[solemn topaz]

I doubt we'll get one.... given that this already exists.

[sudden wren]

oh dear lord

[sudden wren]

yeah, but, in canon, wrenn found a conscience in realmbreaker

and we DID get a creature version of Six

[solemn topaz]

huh. so you're saying there is a chance......

[solemn topaz]

we did and he's my bestest boi friendo

[sudden wren]

so MAYBE we'll get a creature version in Realmbreaker down the line

[solemn topaz]

mayhaps

[sudden wren]

yes
she called him eight iirc

[solemn topaz]

maybe in another MH set, or if we ever go back to that plane

[solemn topaz]

didnt she then.... die?

[sudden wren]

Realmbreaker isn't tied to a plane

[sudden wren]

yeah

[solemn topaz]

ah

[sudden wren]

being tied to realmbreaker burned her up

[solemn topaz]

no isnt realmbreaker just the corrupted form of that world tree from the norse plane?

[sudden wren]

and she turned into a sapling that teferi planted on Zalfir

[sudden wren]

no

the world tree was burned by esika during MOM
Realmbreaker is the, technical, child of the world tree

[solemn topaz]

look magics gotten complicated. BACK IN MY DAY- insert unhinged completely nonsenical and rose tinted rant

[sudden wren]

gimme a sec

[solemn topaz]

nono I trust

[solemn topaz]

I see

so he's probably just.... chillaxin somewhere.

maybe he'll show up in the racing set

idk

am I the only person excited for a plane hopping race set?

or well, it seems like there might be plane hopping based upon promotional material

[sudden wren]

i feel sour about it

[solemn topaz]

I see

[sudden wren]

it will be plane hopping

but i feel ick about more modern tech being in MTG

like, i get we had new cappenna, but that was somehow fine

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

i felt iffy about Duskmourn's tech, and now i just feel eeeeeeee about Aetherdrift

[solemn topaz]

I didnt pay attention to duskmourn but Ill take it was ffairly modernized?

[sudden wren]

we had TVs and stuff like that

[solemn topaz]

hm

I mean

[sudden wren]

TVs, ghost detectors, etc etc

[solemn topaz]

so like

[sudden wren]

you know, horror trope stuff

[solemn topaz]

yeah I know Im just sorry Im thinking here

[sudden wren]

ghost hunter thingies

[solemn topaz]

its just the matter of we've seen tech far beyond that before, it was just ya know, named differently

[sudden wren]

have we?

[solemn topaz]

...... points at aether revolt

[sudden wren]

aether revolt still felt...

[solemn topaz]

fair enough

[sudden wren]

idk how to describe it

[solemn topaz]

nono I get it

[sudden wren]

it still felt like magic

[solemn topaz]

fair

[sudden wren]

• im biased

[solemn topaz]

happens. everyone is.

[sudden wren]

i fucking love aether revolt artifacts

they're so fucking pretty

[solemn topaz]

you have your hangups, and they will exist.

I just wanna see what the silly vehicles will do, and what shenanigains I can pull off

[sudden wren]

idk, we'll seee

[solemn topaz]

we will

[sudden wren]

also, more high tech you were probably thinking of is kamigawa neo

litterally neo-tech japan

[solemn topaz]

Im a massive fan of the TV show "Wacky Races"

so like..... I am biassed too

[sudden wren]

thats fair

idk, i've had my hang ups with previous sets and I've been suprised before

[solemn topaz]

no I knew about that one just not what I wanted to mention because that one actually felt weird to ME.

that would be a bad example

[sudden wren]

thats fair

there's just a sort of Aesthetic that magic has

maybe ill change my mind when the set releases

i think the last time I had a hang up like this about a set, it was...

[solemn topaz]

Magic works well in the "punk" athetics, steam punk, copper punk, etc. Its done well in those before. addint too much "real stuff" can feel off.

[sudden wren]

when first looking at New Capenna

cause i had been away from magic for a long time and went "what the fuck is this shit?"

"Mafias? Skyscrapers? Cars?"

[solemn topaz]

THERE WAS A GANSTER SET?!

[sudden wren]

but then it grew on me

[sudden wren]

yeah, that was New Capenna

based on 1920's-esque mobster films

[solemn topaz]

oh Ive figured out why I never cared about this nor heard about it

no Sultai rep

strange

[sudden wren]

XD

sultai is black, green, blue....

[solemn topaz]

yup

[sudden wren]

yeah, no rep in new cappenna

[solemn topaz]

yup

[sudden wren]

we have the...arcs, i think?

we have what alara had

which are the shards, now that I think about it

[solemn topaz]

this

you had this

which I will say, black red green is another colour set I like, along with white green blue..... but my main focus with MTG sets these days is "how to improve muldrotha"

helps keep costs down.

well except BLB

that was cute animals

and my wallet just kinda opened itself

you must understand

[sudden wren]

XD

i think New Capenna was cool

[solemn topaz]

Oh it was probably great. I am just bound by my self imposed chains

[sudden wren]

same

[sudden wren]

I cant decide a deep sea commander

[slate olive]

Kiora sounds fun with a bunch of scry.

Also Ward 3.

[rain shuttle]

read krothuss as krakken at first, RELEASE THE KROTHASS

[solemn topaz]

giving everything cascade sounds fun

[surreal quail]

probably kiora, krothuss doesn't really do the deep sea very well because dimir agenda

[sudden wren]

@solemn topaz

[solemn topaz]

neat

[twilit patio]

ok so W Yi Sang feels turbobroken

and I love W Hong Lu

[sudden wren]

why does yi sang feel turbo broken?

oh right

the ability costs only one

[twilit patio]

after one turn of it being alive

[sudden wren]

one second

[twilit patio]

you just always have a 5/4 double strike

[sudden wren]

there we go

[twilit patio]

imo either make it cost more or make it "on player hit" for charge gain

also, what are you using to make these?

[sudden wren]

MTG Set Editor

[twilit patio]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-gooo-here-we-go-mario-gif-18953946

[sudden wren]

we do have a don quixote, but

they contain Spoilers that im not giving gurm a chance to see

[twilit patio]

ooh can you dm me it?

[sudden wren]

sure

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

:]

[sudden wren]

did y'all know eldrazi are anti-theft?

[solemn topaz]

Do tell

[sudden wren]

Processors can put any card an opponent owns in exile into their graveyard

ANY CARD

including, but not limited to: Foretold Cards, Plotted Cards, Cards exiled by other cards to be played later, Suspended Cards, Adventure Cards

any effects that exile cards face down

cascaded cards, if you play at flash speed

[solemn topaz]

Awwww. They can’t be used as backup Rift Sweepers

That’s sad

I wanted redundancy

[sudden wren]

no, but they do pull value out of your opponents

[sudden wren]

if you abuse my eldrazi babies, i will hunt you down

[solemn topaz]

….. so like

About that

You saw my deck list

[sudden wren]

you have like

the 1 eldrazi

[solemn topaz]

2

[sudden wren]

whats the other?

[solemn topaz]

Battle mage, and some mana dork

[sudden wren]

mana dork?

[solemn topaz]

Creature who’s purpose is to generate mana

[sudden wren]

there arent too many in eldrazi

gurm

[solemn topaz]

From like MH3

Good card that one

[sudden wren]

?

i mean, im eh about you using this guy and battlemage

[solemn topaz]

Da boi!

[sudden wren]

not as bad as people just

shoving old titans in their decks cause they just want the anti-mill tech

i stab those people

[solemn topaz]

Oh god no I would never dump a random ulamog in this deck

[sudden wren]

or people randomly shoving Defiler Ulamog in the deck

[solemn topaz]

What a waste of a card

[sudden wren]

i uber-stab those people

[solemn topaz]

No I would only use giga cost Eldrazi in a hyper aggro cheat deck

What’s that one cards name….

From BLB black and red

[sudden wren]

it better be an eldrazi hyperaggro deck <><>

[solemn topaz]

Cruel Claw!

[sudden wren]

in any case
Processors are very nifty because they actually tap into alot more strategies than most people realize

[solemn topaz]

I have dreams of using em in a hyper aggro “good stuff” deck

With deathrender and other cheat cards

[sudden wren]

they aren't like
anti-anti theft, but they do pull value out of the theft strategy of "exile my opponents cards to play them later"

[solemn topaz]

Fair

[sudden wren]

and, like i said, they basically ruin any strategy that involves your opponent exiling cards they own

thats a nice foretold boardwipe you got there

in the grave it goes

ill make a nice scion out of it

[solemn topaz]

Or you could just

Play counterspells

[sudden wren]

. . .

[solemn topaz]

Maybe use some totem armour

[sudden wren]

gurm

[solemn topaz]

Get a bit of hexproof

[sudden wren]

i play a go wide strategy
that also WANTS cards in exile

to PUT THEM IN THE GRAVEYARD

if someone is doing half the work for me, im not gonna complain

[solemn topaz]

What if I just put my own stuff in the grave.

Endlessly

[sudden wren]

then i exile it from your grave

[solemn topaz]

Lots of stuff

[sudden wren]

thats what Leyline of the Void is for

[solemn topaz]

That’s extremely rude

[sudden wren]

and soul guide lantern

[solemn topaz]

That’s very uncalled for

[sudden wren]

it benefits me very well

[solemn topaz]

But what have I ever done to you

[sudden wren]

cause i can still put stuff IN your graveyard

but it just gets exiled again :]

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

aaah, processors my beloved~

[solemn topaz]

Man if only processors could target yourself

Then they’d be good

[sudden wren]

. . .

say that again

https://tenor.com/view/chefe-cozinha-gif-14636209388776641245

[solemn topaz]

Endia. They target your opponents

[sudden wren]

yes

[solemn topaz]

I want to move stuff from MY exile

To MY grave

[sudden wren]

then they're bad for YOUR deck

[solemn topaz]

So I can get it BACKz

[sudden wren]

but they arent BAD

[solemn topaz]

TERRIBLE CARDS

F————

[sudden wren]

I'm going to [CENSORED FOR YOUR READING ENJOYMENT] you.

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-outis-the-odyssey-had-a-purpose-gif-10147696350584078312

[steep quartz]

Note to self: Avoid eldrazi when playing my Lastsurprise.mp3 deck.

[sudden wren]

avoid processing eldrazi, noteably

if someone isn't going into the ingest/process archetype, then

you're safe

[steep quartz]

(Note: That deck is literally about doing piles and piles of dumb things with foretell, plot, suspend, etc.)

[solemn topaz]

oh dear.

yeah that

probaby important to avoid processors

[solemn topaz]

also did you seariously name a deck after one of the most grating themes Ive ever heard?

(note: its probably a good song. I just listened to it for nearly 150 hours. that theme upsets me when it plays now.)

[steep quartz]

Yes I did. Because you'll never see it coming.

[solemn topaz]

you know I can in fact just

cast riftsweeper

onto..... all of your shenanigains

we all love a card that was called out by magics lead designer as "something we should have never printed and will likely never print anything like again"

[sudden wren]

it has to be face up

[solemn topaz]

yeah

slight annoyance

[sudden wren]

processors do not carry such restriction

muahahah~

[solemn topaz]

I personally like the limitation because it means theres at minimum, counterplay

[solemn topaz]

cant be used on my own stuff, makin em worthless

[sudden wren]

but i can use them against you

[solemn topaz]

I mean if you wanna put stuff back into my grave for me

as a muldrotha player

where I use my graveyard as an extnetion of my will

sure

[sudden wren]

we both know im not gonna do that

until i get my leyline out

[solemn topaz]

you know things like that

are why I have about 7 different forms of naturalize

in my deck

because I am tired of enchantments and artifacts

[sudden wren]

:]

you're gonna need them

i have duplication upon duplication upon duplication in this deck

[solemn topaz]

its times like these I wish I still had my Krenko Mob Boss deck

those were good games

very quick

very brutal

good good times

[sudden wren]

at middling power
if we say...I had my Reflections of Littjara and Echoes out
I cast reflections, naming eldrazi
I cast Echoes
I duplicated the Echoes and the Reflections trigger with Ulalek
i now have 4 Echoes of Eternities

its so stupid, but I love it

[solemn topaz]

I cast "the right to slap you for playing annoying combos"

it lets me stand up, and slap you for being an annoying gremlin.

[sudden wren]

:D

listen

im playing GO WIDE

with ELDRAZI

i need some way to catch up with eleves and humans and goblins

[solemn topaz]

....... .................................

so like

by wide

I mean theoretically

if I cast

like lets say

hypothetically

for arguments sake

Rivers Rebuke

how much would you have to discard?

[sudden wren]

yes that would fuck me

[solemn topaz]

ah

I see

very good

[sudden wren]

probably not alot actually

[solemn topaz]

you got tower in the deck?

[sudden wren]

because im going wide via tokens and dupes, i only actually cast a few select cards

[solemn topaz]

or any other number of unlimited hand cards

[solemn topaz]

ohhhhh

complete erasure

[sudden wren]

yeah

[solemn topaz]

kek

[sudden wren]

yup

im a go wide, mid-range aggro deck

[solemn topaz]

every decks got a weakness

[sudden wren]

mhm

tbf

[solemn topaz]

mine is "literally any form of graveyard hate"

[sudden wren]

most weakness involve X Boardwipe

[solemn topaz]

I mean Ive actually specifically made my deck resiliant againts most forms of generic removal

[sudden wren]

having a 5 cost commander with restrictive costs doesn't help :kek:

[solemn topaz]

its just.... the moment you start touching my grave that all falls apart

[sudden wren]

i have

exactly 2 pieces of graveyard hate in my deck, and its purely to further my own strategy

[solemn topaz]

man I wish my commander was 5 cost

[solemn topaz]

yeah thats the funny thing

NOBODY RUNS IT

cause like

"who would play graveyard in commander"

ME

EHEHHEHEHE

[sudden wren]

alot of people, actually

its kinda funny

but most people have a feelsbad take on it

[solemn topaz]

theres decent numbers of it

[sudden wren]

social aspect of commander strikes again

[solemn topaz]

the thing is in my experience

theres only like 2-3 of us in every store

and each store has like 7+ play groups

hell the one dude I know who consistently plays "graveyard" is really an "I EXILE MY LIBRARY AND HOPE I CAN FIND SOMETHING" deck

he plays.... god whats its name

its the exile frog

THIS LAD!

[sudden wren]

yeah

oh wait

that deck gets cucked by processors

[solemn topaz]

honestly I Love Grolnok. feels really fair to play against.

[solemn topaz]

yeah

absolutely completely

[solemn topaz]

and this isnt sarcasm

its an enjoyable matchup for me

[sudden wren]

https://tenor.com/view/themercslaughing-gif-20727637

[solemn topaz]

dude basically runs a Thlassa oracle strat..... but like..... in a reasonable non CEDH way

I say basically

he has Thlassa in the deck

one of his win cons is using her

but its fair and balanced

[sudden wren]

eh

fair and balanced is subjective

[solemn topaz]

to me. compared to other things Ive played agains

monkey

[sudden wren]

if they run thoracle, they also run lab man and jace

[solemn topaz]

no.

they dont

at least he didnt

[sudden wren]

thats...

stupid imo

if you run thoracle, then you're expecting to have a super, super low library

so you might as well prepare by running the other two pieces that also just instawin you the game

[solemn topaz]

look man. he played his deck the way he wanted to

and he didnt want an instant win condition

he wanted to have to earn it

[sudden wren]

. . .

[solemn topaz]

Endia

I dont pretend to understand how you build decks

you dont pretend to understand how I build decks

[sudden wren]

i dont see the difference between thoracle and lab man

but okay

[solemn topaz]

its a nice understanding

the man wanted to build his deck how he wanted to build his deck

and we get to live with that

[steep quartz]

I mean, if it's an alternate win condition for the deck (As in, the deck has plans to win other than thoracle), I wouldn't think it necessary to pile all three into the deck.

[solemn topaz]

yeah. he had other ways to win. very chill dude. havent seen him in a while though.

[steep quartz]

Also, that reminded me of a dumb deck I made that uses a similar idea.

https://deckstats.net/decks/248660/3487527-the-only-hit-point-that-matter

[sudden wren]

oh no

[solemn topaz]

that deck name is the core of my MTG principles

so whats the plan with that thing?

just

kill everyone for existing?

[steep quartz]

Nope.

Look at Near-Death Experience.

[solemn topaz]

oh my god

its

ITS LITERALLY

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[steep quartz]

the only hit point that matters is the last one

[solemn topaz]

its literally.... man. your decks crack me up

its glorious

[steep quartz]

I swear that there's another win con card in there, but it's been a while since I've looked at this deck.

But the premise is to use your HP as a resource, get low as hell, use spells to explicitly stop death, and then win with NDE.

Well, that's the ideal use case, but it can win in other ways.

[sudden wren]

NDE?

oh

[steep quartz]

We have fun here.

Angelic enforcer is also hilarious here. tank yourself down to 0 to activate it, and then there's enough life gain in here to turn it into a beater after.

Oh god. Wait, this is super situational, but there's a hilarious two-card combo in here. Exquisite Archangel and Enduring Angel are hilarious on the field together. Drop yourself to 0, transform angelic enforcer, then exquisite archangel resets your life total.

Will it ever happen? Almost certainly not. Is it hilarious to know that it could theoretically? Absolutely.

[sudden wren]

i love enduring archangel

[surreal quail]

Soon exile is an additional hand lmao, we already have graveyard play

[rain shuttle]

so whats the graveyard equivelent of pot of greed, i send 2 cards to my graveyard? 😛

[steep quartz]

Honestly, graveyard has better cards than pot. Self-mill can load you up with like 10+ cards with one card spent.

[steep quartz]

Processors have been around forever, though. Wizards is very careful not to mess with exile too much. This isn't yu-gi-oh where you have entire decks that play with banishment.

[solemn topaz]

laughs in nekron enchantment

[steep quartz]

laughs in necron parking lot

[sudden wren]

so

Phyrexians, huh?

https://archidekt.com/decks/10206485/phyrexian_revival

[solemn topaz]

Good times.

[surreal quail]

true but like just having it there and semi always being able to use them similar to red impulse

[solemn topaz]

To paraphrase mark rose water once again on the existence of “Rift Sweeper”

‘We should not, and likely will not print cards like that ever again.’

Any card that lets a player unilaterally interact with their own exile, is very dangerous.

Certainly there are cards that allow limited play with exile, but being able to just yank cards out and return them into a playable zone is… dangerous

There’s good reason processors specify opponents.

[sudden wren]

me when my opponent infinitely cycles teferi's protection

[sudden wren]

this is why no self exile refunding outside of rift sweeper

if you play processors and WILLINGLY put shit like tef pro back in their grave

you deserve whats coming to you

[solemn topaz]

Well. There’s I wanna say 2 other cards? It’s a VERY limited pool.

[sudden wren]

exactly 2

Pull from eternity and rift sweeper

others have more stipulations

be it card with flashback or card your opponent owns

[solemn topaz]

Yeah

They are very careful about that

[sudden wren]

these two are technically a slow inf combo

you have croaking copy rootcoil twice and use a dupe to get croak back

[solemn topaz]

There is one other card…. The frog. It lets you use exile as a hand for permanents IIRC

He.

But again, limited.

Only while he’s on the field.

But yeah not a lot of exile interaction in mtg. For good reason.

[sudden wren]

hey gurm

which do you like more: 60 card or commander?

[solemn topaz]

commander. I find it more fun.

[sudden wren]

why?

[solemn topaz]

the chaos, the madness, its easier for me to find singletons than having to buy 4 ofs

I can more rationallize buying a 6 dollar card if its a one of

rather than if I want a 6 dollar card what I really want is 4 of them

which is then 24 dollars

etc

[sudden wren]

fair enough

[solemn topaz]

yes there are so many more cards and its such a mess figuring out each and every deck but like

its fun to use my brain

also the politics of being able to tlak my enemies into hating each other is fun

although Im not the best at it

using muldrotha kinda puts a massive target on my face.

[sudden wren]

have you considered playing a politic deck? 🤔

[solemn topaz]

oh god no

screw that

I love my graveyard

its mine

[sudden wren]

XD

you remind me a little of my grandfather with that

he has only 1 deck he plays, but he adjusts and upgrades it every so often

[solemn topaz]

see! he gets it!

one good big deck!

the baby!

[sudden wren]

XD

[solemn topaz]

and then on the side there are some experements

[sudden wren]

sadly, his is a 60 card artifact deck

[solemn topaz]

but mostly the precious child

eh

everyone plays what they like

[sudden wren]

true

but sharding sphinx is a bitch to fight

[solemn topaz]

just

use naturalize

as an activated ability

cant counterspell that (unless you have like one of 7 spells)

[sudden wren]

that requires me to have the card out AND for me to do

"just have the answer" is not the greatest arguement

[solemn topaz]

.......

I mean

its a great plan

almost on par with "dont get hit"

or "just win the clash"

[sudden wren]

true

but "just win the clash" isn't as rng reliant as drawing 1 card out of 60

[solemn topaz]

why are you drawing? dump everything into the grave

no need to draw

just cast

[sudden wren]

gurm

-sigh-

[solemn topaz]

DUMP EVERYTHING INTO GRAVE

EHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE

ALL GRAVE

ALL THE TIME

[sudden wren]

if i mill myself out, i just die to myself

[solemn topaz]

nah

you got Out of the Tombs

ez

[sudden wren]

thats not a 60 card legal card

:]

[solemn topaz]

why are you playing 60 card formats?

[sudden wren]

. . .

because

[solemn topaz]

thats a you problem