Magic The Gathering

[sudden wren]

in any case, i'll test this deck out tomorrow

shock and awe

and also probably get a few bricks thrown at me

you know what would make this better?

so now my minimum damage to creatures is 6 and my minimum damage to players is 12

seems good to me!

and then we'll tack this on too cause why not

so we're dealing 6x damage

[solemn topaz]

if you can get everything out

[sudden wren]

this is true

i actually had the perfect setup game last night

fighting 3 token decks, but i made a mistake in my first chain that ended early

which was a little sad

[solemn topaz]

Oops

[sudden wren]

i forgot chatterfang can kill

[solemn topaz]

What?

[surreal quail]

do know that the player taking the damage may choose what order the dmg multipliers or changing applies

so it never deals optimal damage

[sudden wren]

true

but, heres the thing

im throwing 300 damage at you flat

without modifiers

after the chain is done

at that point, it doesn't matter how much you minimize, dead is dead

[surreal quail]

https://scryfall.com/card/uds/95/repercussion

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/216/blasphemous-act

you have 3 creatures?

this combo is so much more funny than it should be

[sudden wren]

but then i die

:<

[surreal quail]

i mean

you could just add those

to the deck

repercussion that is

[sudden wren]

i already have blas

[surreal quail]

it fits the theme

[sudden wren]

i don't like repercussion cause its symmetrical

[surreal quail]

what format are we talking btw?

[sudden wren]

commander

[solemn topaz]

…….. I CAN WHAT

[surreal quail]

Yup

[surreal quail]

Honestly you get to do more fun stuff

Its why primal vigor is okay still

In token decks

[sudden wren]

okay, so then the minimum a player can take is

8

becasue the power is just automatically four by default from axinol, no?

[surreal quail]

Yup

[sudden wren]

okay, so then its still 8 XD

[surreal quail]

I reread the cards

It would be 4

Ojer checks with if

So it can be 4 even

[sudden wren]

I've asked this somewhere before, but I want to reaffirm it
If I want to make a DnD PR based on a series of creatures from MTG, would I talk about that here or in #the-tavern?

[steep quartz]

Either is applicable.

[sudden wren]

alright

[sudden wren]

oh yeah, i never shared it here

https://archidekt.com/decks/8855637/spiritual_defense

Innistradi Spirit Tribal

[solemn topaz]

Spirits are fun

[sudden wren]

mhm

[sudden wren]

behold
spooks
https://archidekt.com/decks/8865418/frosty_specters

[sudden wren]

man

[wild hound]

ohh i like the way arhidekt gives you nice stats about the deck 🙂

[sudden wren]

ye

[sudden wren]

holy crap, the sheer amount of anti-enchantment people run in historic is nuts

[fleet cargo]

People really don't like sythis

The amount of soully enchantment decks I have it's a bit Excessive but very effective

[visual patrol]

soooo

The Bird has been shot down

https://youtube.com/shorts/pCil2YgmoBs

[solemn topaz]

IT WASNT PLAYTESTED?!

[visual patrol]

Its last iteration

[solemn topaz]

Yes I know

I watched the vid

I just

This is the issue with dropping a new magic set every 3 months

There’s no time for QA

[surreal quail]

took some time for the bird to stop flying so freely

[solemn topaz]

Too much time

[steep quartz]

The issue is moreso that they make last-minute tweaks to cards before printing. And they've done that even before the current model. It's just a fundamental issue with the playtest-iterate process.

Because you have to pick some point where you cut things off and say "okay, no more changes, it's going to print", and that leaves either cards that the devs know need fixing that they couldn't (this applies to both over- and under-powered cards), or cards where they weren't able to test the most recent version, and both are kind of bad.

And the solution isn't "keep iterating then", because there's always tweaks that can be made and it could delay a product indefinitely if there's a particularly troublesome group of cards or a mechanic that they're struggling to balance.

That isn't to say that the current turnaround isn't too short, I think the number of sets they put out is a problem, but not because of dev time. Sets have always had a 2-year ish turnaround IIRC. The bigger issue is bloat and product fatigue.

[solemn topaz]

fair enough

[steep quartz]

It's just bad luck that something that broken happened to be the one that fell through the cracks. It happens from time to time.

[solemn topaz]

yeah. fair enough.

reminds me of the ork issue in 9th edition in 40k

which was tested..... just not thuroughly.

TLDR: they let you group certain vehicles together in 3s to ya know, let the orks use more vehicles in their list, becuase list restrictions were more significant back then.

the issue is someone forgot that by lettting them group in this way, ork players could bring NINE OF THE SAME VEHICLE.

instead of the traditional rule of 3

so orks were a menace until that was erataed.

[visual patrol]

Powercreep in one card

[solemn topaz]

Oh yeah THAT ABOMINATION

[sudden wren]

man
i love (hate) discard-tinybones decks

[rain shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/801489576300380160/1278510999602991166/c82724f9c2eb4ee6bf1485693019e1c0.mp4?ex=66d111a7&is=66cfc027&hm=a531a21f526b979f67d7bcaa7813b12da70141a88e53b61f481ce89ea9878743&

[solemn topaz]

my gut reaction? "awww kitty"

I do own a few Ygra's

I should do something with em

[surreal quail]

Its an unfun mechanic because just discarding doesnt do anything it just slows the game down

[brittle thorn]

Is $70 a good price for a sealed 'Adventures in the Forgotten Realm' draft box?

Sold by a good store I go to, so there's no risk of a scam

(I know it's better to buy singles btw)

[sudden wren]

i mean

i'd buy it because getting a full booster box is easily like

200-300+ cards

[solemn topaz]

For only 70? For a whole box? Yeah absolutely.

[sudden wren]

decided to build a more thematic shrines deck
https://archidekt.com/decks/9004143/keikos_temple

im ALOT more happy with this than I was with my previous shrines deck

[solemn topaz]

A full booster box is over 500 cards.

540 to be specific

15*36 packs

[sudden wren]

depends on the booster box, but yeah

i must be remembering collector booster boxes then

[solemn topaz]

Probably

[steep quartz]

So, conversation in the Tevern reminded me that I have this deck: https://deckstats.net/decks/248660/3503791-hey-look-over-there-/en

It is... amazingly dumb.

[brittle thorn]

Thinking of making some proxies for Magic, hopefully something self contained so that I could just bring to an event or a group and get playing

My options are as follows:

• Commander Decks
• Cube
• Jumpstart / Commander Cube
• Horde Mode Deck
• Army Magic Decks
• Dandan / Forgetful Fish
• Some custom sets?

Quite a few to consider

https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/ltr-js
https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/e1a51d49-9a07-48b1-b2ba-c78b6e65d03b
https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/thepeasantcube
https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/tinyleaders

Some cubes that have caught my attention

[sudden wren]

made a limbus themed MTG card with a graveyard mechanic
is anyone interested in taking a look and givin' feedback?

[solemn topaz]

I’ll take a peek sure.

[sudden wren]

based on the newest ID

[solemn topaz]

Oh that’s….. that’s funky…..

I like

Although:

I’d do red green black rather than red white black

[sudden wren]

eh, red-white-black felt more...in-tune with the character

[solemn topaz]

Hm

[sudden wren]

https://archidekt.com/decks/9082534/stargazing

Bats

i love astronomer bats

[sudden wren]

hmm

lazav or lazav...

[sudden wren]

behold, house dimir
https://archidekt.com/decks/9130345/dimir_espionage

[wild hound]

Timeless is a fun format lol - recently i watched a friend playing MTG Arena - his opening hand: swamp, dark ritual, Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord, Saint Elenda:

Thats Planewalker, and 4/7 lifelink on turn one, and if you attacked you have another 4/4 by the end of the first turn o_O And he had this opening three turns in a row

[solemn topaz]

Timeless? is that arenas version of like hearthstones "wild" mode?

[visual patrol]

Sharpie is also fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_4w9_ZLrmU

Now you can ACTUALLY do this

Opponent does mega combo out of nowhere

"In response"

"I cry"

I love that they made the cards different and not just overpowered at all times

It's a stone

just a stone

makes colourless mana

as just a stone

[solemn topaz]

Seems legit

[sudden wren]

timeless is like vintage except for arena

so you get to use arena only cards too

[wild hound]

And Saint Elenda is one of thise arena cards

Oh right you're not getting the avatar on first turn (because summoning sickness) unless someone does a stupid and attacks you letting you lifelink of him

[visual patrol]

or other means of lifegain

which are plenty in white

[solemn topaz]

god I hate those cards

[visual patrol]

probably already getting at minimum a 1/1 by summoning her

[wild hound]

its B/W, so the opening turn goes Swamp -> Dark Ritual -> Sorin -> sack 3 tokens to play Elenda

But reread the card - each of the cards in her spell book is gain 4 life + effect.

So this opening guarantees you a Planewalker, 4/7 Lifelink, 4/4, and if you picked Inspiring Cleric another 3/2 o_O

[cunning kelp]

Ok, watched that and that's funny, that ending too "I play the sun, it says I win the game / Nuh uh, you didn't say please, your sun is countered and your library is now your graveyard"

[visual patrol]

yup

Placing some restrictions this format can be actually fun

[cunning kelp]

It's definitely a thing you need to go into without winning on the mind

Since if you just went in with winning as an idea, the decks would be very boring

[visual patrol]

Aka

The Sun

You Win the game

Though some fun things can happen

"Exile target Player"

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-cr1tikal-screaming-cr1tikal-disappearing-screaming-disappearing-gif-23950917

[solemn topaz]

I…. I kinda wanna play this. Someone printing up a bunch of cards and just sharpying them up.

There’s some silly stuff

Especially if flavor text is legal.

[visual patrol]

They made it that way

Storm crow

Storm Storm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHmnKxwy9ZM

[solemn topaz]

I see......

hem.

[visual patrol]

You may cast cards

but

[solemn topaz]

...... oh my god

[visual patrol]

He can't be

[solemn topaz]

pffft

[visual patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHmnKxwy9ZM

They made great cards

[solemn topaz]

oh thats so fun.

like yeah

you could just give it unblockable

but this is more fun

[visual patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rISJgg0Clrw

the cards are just amazing

[cunning kelp]

I'm already halfway through that video

[visual patrol]

I control life

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/027/172/Screen_Shot_2018-09-18_at_10.17.37_AM.jpg

Same energy

[sudden wren]

i sigh at some peoples custom MTG cards sometimes

someone made a card that just permanently phases out a creature

[solemn topaz]

I CONTROL THE DIE!

[solemn topaz]

…… yaaaaaaay.

[sudden wren]

yeah\

[solemn topaz]

I just like…. why

[sudden wren]

it's an enchantment that's like Oubliette, except it attaches to the creature

and with the way phasing is worded, anything attached to a phased out creature also phases out

[solemn topaz]

…… so it’s exiled?

[sudden wren]

yes and no

[solemn topaz]

What.

[sudden wren]

it's just gone forever

it's not exiled, its phased out

[solemn topaz]

….. so it’s removed from the game

Face up. Correct?

[sudden wren]

p much, yeah, except it also isn't removed

[sudden wren]

yeah

[solemn topaz]

…….

Show the card

Show me the stupidity

[solemn topaz]

……. That just instantly nukes itself

[sudden wren]

they said it was fine cause they were comparing it to song of the dryads (they are not similar)

[sudden wren]

no

[solemn topaz]

You enchant a permenant

The permanent phases out

It loses the perm it was enchanted to

[sudden wren]

it does not

[solemn topaz]

It no longer has a legal target

It booms

[sudden wren]

anything attached to a phased out creature also phases out

[solemn topaz]

That’s not what the card says

[sudden wren]

phasing out does not trigger "leave the battlefield" effects

[solemn topaz]

I see

[sudden wren]

thats what phasing says

[solemn topaz]

Great

Lemme read phasing then

[solemn topaz]

…… I see

Wait

…..

It’s just constantly flickering in and out of existence

Or no

…..

[sudden wren]

no

cause the enchantment says its phased out UNTIL that card leaves

[solemn topaz]

This card is bullshit and the author doesn’t understand how magic works.

[sudden wren]

thats what I said

the card is stupidly broken in the sense you just perma remove a card from the game

their response was "so what? losing a card isn't the end of the world"

they also said "it's a feelsbad card, not a strong card"

wanna know how this could be exponentially made worse?

put this card with Out of Time

lemme just casually remove all current creatures from the game forever for 6 mana

[solemn topaz]

ez

[fleet cargo]

I love out of time

Such a panic button card

[solemn topaz]

its quite handy

shame I dont play white

[slate olive]

But the Converted Cost at the top is only 3 Mana. 2 White and 1 Any. Where you getting to 6 Mana from?

[solemn topaz]

@slate olive combo with this made up card made of drunken stupidity

[sudden wren]

-faceplant-

[visual patrol]

The card is basically

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-cr1tikal-screaming-cr1tikal-disappearing-screaming-disappearing-gif-23950917

[slate olive]

That second card is a converted cost of 5, though. 1 White, 1 Blue, 1 Black, and 2 Phyrexian.

[visual patrol]

3 Mana

life is a very expendable resource in magic

[slate olive]

Phyrexian Mana is still Mana.

[visual patrol]

nah

[solemn topaz]

Nobody ever counts phyrexian as mana hero.

[visual patrol]

Not for experienced players

[slate olive]

Sure, it's also your Life, but it's still Mana.

[visual patrol]

especially in commander format

40 mana is a lot of resource

[solemn topaz]

The only life you need is 1

[visual patrol]

thats why shock lands and co are just played

Phyrexian mana is just life ramp in that case

[solemn topaz]

Although some morons play too much life loss and die from chip

[visual patrol]

Mental Misstep is regarded a 0 card for that matter

you can play too much

but shouldnt be afraid to use it

[solemn topaz]

Indeed

[visual patrol]

And if that was a nadu level card everyone would be using that

for 3

4 life is a price everybody would be willing to pay for removing something fully from the game

[solemn topaz]

There’s a reason we don’t get much phyrexian mana these days

A very

Good

Reason

[visual patrol]

they already made a mental misstep when introducing it

literally

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=230066&type=card

this was ... too strong

Turn 1
"I play a forest , tap and play.."
"haha no"

[solemn topaz]

Lmao you thought you got land? Nah.

[visual patrol]

"I play Sol.."
"lol nope"

"mana cry." NOPE

[solemn topaz]

“Black lotus”

[visual patrol]

denies almost any turn 1 action

[solemn topaz]

No.

Hilariously effective and horrible

[visual patrol]

or cards with 0 or no cost

[sudden wren]

huh?

[solemn topaz]

Don’t worry about it.

[sudden wren]

.>

[solemn topaz]

there’s a 0 cost creature land that’s often played. Don’t worry about it.

[sudden wren]

oh, arbhor dryad?

you can't counter that

because you're playing it rather than casting it

[solemn topaz]

It’s a creature

……

[sudden wren]

you are not casting it

you are playing it like a land

[solemn topaz]

It says creature first.

[solemn topaz]

It’s a creature, land.

[solemn topaz]

Die in a fire

[sudden wren]

but then who would correct your ruling misconceptions?

[solemn topaz]

…… I hate that you’re right

[sudden wren]

-pat pat-

[visual patrol]

Duskmourn preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQY54Y0ftt4

[brittle thorn]

Had a very odd idea just now

Could a Magic The Gathering equivalent of Vampire Survivors somehow work?

I was thinking that both Horde Mode and a Deckbuilder Mode have been made for Magic by the community, if there was a way to combine the two...

It could be something like this:

Start with a 20 card deck.
Have some turns for basic setup.
Have three decks for enemies, ranging from tier 1 to tier 3 threats.

Begin the game by drawing one tier 1 threat card, which is a token or some sort of way to deal damage.
Successfully dealing with the threat gives you a reward, be it cards or some currency.
Spend your currency on a shop to upgrade your deck, akin to the deckbuilder mode mentioned earlier.

Deal with larger, more numerous threats to work on your engine, thus allowing you to take on a bigger challenge.

[sudden wren]

an MTG Roguelike?

[brittle thorn]

Not quite what I had on mind, more the "Removing a horde and getting more powerful" part

Though on that note, it is possible to make a MTG Roguelike, with Forge's Adventure mode or Hero Realms Campaign box

[sudden wren]

well idk what this horde mode is

[sudden wren]

Hmmm

hmmmmmm

i've been staring at Slivers again...

The temptation...

[surreal quail]

one of us

one of us

[sudden wren]

Hhhhhhhh

Ngl, wish I could keep the m14/m15 at for my slivers

[solemn topaz]

Don’t you dare

[sudden wren]

i already did it

i couldn't resist their call, Gurm

https://archidekt.com/decks/9265265/sliver_revamp

[solemn topaz]

God damnit

[sudden wren]

probably gonna switch commander back to first sliver

they're just so good

idk about you, but i love my 2-for-1's

[sudden wren]

...
i hunger for more slivers...

[surreal quail]

Do dare

[surreal quail]

I got morophon because it just kinda beats getting 5 colours mana ready

[surreal quail]

https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/snek-dek-alien-edition/

[sudden wren]

ew

morphon is ew

[surreal quail]

Nuh uh

[sudden wren]

yuh huh

[surreal quail]

Imagine paying mana for any of the legendary slivers

Not me

[sudden wren]

he's the jodah of tribal decks

[surreal quail]

Wdym

[sudden wren]

he's boring

[surreal quail]

I mean i tried to make it a bland creature deck

But all creatures are slivers

And so cost reduction helps getting slivers out

Especially the cascade sliver

Cascade sliver go brrr

[sudden wren]

bleh

[solemn topaz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/689267518128521247/1288039348603719691/image.png?ex=66f4645f&is=66f312df&hm=10cc7ea6e885641bdeb4281491a7705d690f0437c46694bdea3c70aa6de612e4&

have a comedic chart for one of the recently banned cards in commander

[sudden wren]

Oh yeah

Mana crypt, Nadu, Jeweled Lotus, and Dockside have been banned in commander

[sudden wren]

@solemn topaz
oh guuuuuuuurm~
https://archidekt.com/decks/9327031/library_digesting

[solemn topaz]

no

I refuse

I aint looking

[solemn topaz]

Jewled lotus is jsut.... so sad. not for me just in the fact that card now is literally useless

well I mean Im certain theres some edge use case

but its banned in the format it was created for

[sudden wren]

look

[solemn topaz]

nope

[sudden wren]

please?

[solemn topaz]

no

I dont understand modern

[sudden wren]

pretty please?

[solemn topaz]

and I refuse to learn

[sudden wren]

it's just a casual deck

[solemn topaz]

nah

[sudden wren]

equates to kitchen table

[solemn topaz]

nope

[sudden wren]

:<

[solemn topaz]

not lookin

[sudden wren]

now you've made me sad

[solemn topaz]

oh my god FIIIINE

I will look for one minute

oh its eldrazi

and like that

I hate it

[sudden wren]

:D

[slate olive]

Which card?

[sudden wren]

That one would be jeweled lotus

[surreal quail]

theres one deck which uses jeweled lotus outside of commander

and apparently its not that good

[solemn topaz]

Well yeah blitz. It’s a card that basically ONLY works in commander.

[sudden wren]

It's used in cheerios

But now it's just a darksteel relic without indestructible

[solemn topaz]

It’s literally just a 0 cost artifact that can sac itself

I’d rather have a thopter.

[sudden wren]

Do you know what darksteel relic says?

These cards are now equivalent in their usage

[surreal quail]

i mean thats what i was thinking whats the point in removing a commander only card from commander

[solemn topaz]

I continue to rather have a thopter.

[sudden wren]

i know, but that doesn't mean what I said isn't true

[solemn topaz]

Also lotus does have some synergy with sac effects and the like.

Usage with revolt activation

[sudden wren]

...

gurm

[solemn topaz]

Debatably better.

[sudden wren]

im sorry

[solemn topaz]

Yes?

[sudden wren]

but nobody plays revolt anymore

[solemn topaz]

But

But

[sudden wren]

no

[solemn topaz]

…. But

[sudden wren]

no

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

if they are, they're playing call of unity and they have plenty of sac outlets for tokens

[solemn topaz]

I have

SO

MANY

REVOLT CARDS

[sudden wren]

yeah

[solemn topaz]

AND STUPID AETHER TOKENS

AND

[sudden wren]

its a shame they're outdated

[solemn topaz]

I

I HATE YOU AETHER REVOLT!

[sudden wren]

XD

[solemn topaz]

YOU STUPID INSULAR SET!

[sudden wren]

i actually like aether revolt still

its just hard to use nowadays

my first proper deck was the tezzeret 60 card from aether

i stuck with that for ages and kept modifying it

it's dissassembled now, but

whew

darksteel forge and pentavus?
woowee

(and yes, i own a DS Forge in paper, it's great)

[solemn topaz]

So do I.

I love DSF

Need to make a proper artifact deck some day

Probably Myrs

Love myrs.

[sudden wren]

don't have any myrs in paper

if i'd run artifacts though, i'd run artifacts + aetherborn

[solemn topaz]

I have many myrs in paper. Just not enough. I NEED MOAR.

[sudden wren]

aetherborn, my beloved, please get more support someday

[solemn topaz]

Aetherborne are the worst faction. They have what? Maybe 12 cards tagged that with 3 synergy pieces? Buddy.

[sudden wren]

but they're cool

so thats irrelevant

:]

[sudden wren]

also, there are 18 aetherborn cards

with only 1 synergy card

i like these two though

suprisingly, aetherborn had alot of +1/+1 counter synergy

[solemn topaz]

can we though point out, how through a tiny slice of a set, I could reasonably guestimate the TOTAL NUMBER OF AETHERBORN?!

[sudden wren]

No

[slate olive]

And presumably with things that look for "Lotus" in the name.

[sudden wren]

feel like building
Temur Clan theme deck

we have two options for commander

[solemn topaz]

I prefer dragonclaw, but stabby lady is also an option

just all your creatures got trample

they cant be countered

good times

[sudden wren]

im working

on a new Archetype cycle

[sudden wren]

@solemn topaz
Pick one that isn't:
Black/Blue, Green/White, White/Black, Blue/Red, or Green/Blue

i need a queue for building archetype decks

[solemn topaz]

Idk

[sudden wren]

:<

[solemn topaz]

White blue

[sudden wren]

thank you

<3

lova ya bunches

[solemn topaz]

Have fun now

[sudden wren]

man, im playing through these

also

@solemn topaz
here
https://archidekt.com/decks/9471796/duskmourn_azorious

[solemn topaz]

WHAT THE HELL KIND OF A LAND IS THAT?!

ABANDONDED CAMPGROUND?!

WHAT?!

I

Im gettin too old for this nonsense

[sudden wren]

:D

there's a whole cycle of triskadekaphobia lands now

i think its pretty cool

[solemn topaz]

What lands?

[sudden wren]

Triskaidekaphobia

fear of the number 13

it had a minor theme in innistrad with Withingar, card called Triskaidekaphobia, and Triskaidekaphile

I personally like the Neglected Manor and Lakeside Shack

[surreal quail]

so epic when you pull these but only play commander

[sudden wren]

just don't play only commander

:clueless:

[solemn topaz]

yeah those..... not much use in commander.

well

I mean

so like

technically..... theyre usable

if you desprately need one more dual land

god one of htese days Triomes are gonna get a non mythic reprint and Im actually going to be able to afford some

[surreal quail]

I refuse

[surreal quail]

you're better off pulling a basic tbh

[solemn topaz]

Look technically doesn’t care about if it’s actually effective

[sudden wren]

i like the unlucky lands flavor wise

they're great for my standard decks

[fleet cargo]

Can I cast pangelical wurm while my opponent is searching my library with opposition agent?

[sudden wren]

no

because your opponent controls you while you are searching

if your OPPONENT wanted to cast it, they can

(but it would still go under your control)

[fleet cargo]

Is what I thought

It's for whatever reason the second time this has come up in play

[sudden wren]

thats weird

[sudden wren]

welp

i built all the draft archetype decks

now to build a demon tribal deck for DSK

[sudden wren]

muahahahaha

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

i love beating peoples faces in with Zopandrel

[sudden wren]

@solemn topaz
Graveyard Warcrimes :D
https://archidekt.com/decks/9534116/recycling

[fleet cargo]

Hey I have another weird rules question if I have both https://scryfall.com/card/unf/464/space-beleren and https://scryfall.com/card/2ed/169/raging-river
Does this make 4 lanes or 6?

I was going to make a deck around both these cards and wanted to make sure I was playing it right

I would assume it would function like creatures in sector A are attacking and then there's a left and a right side of sector A

[sudden wren]

uhhhhhh

[fleet cargo]

Ooo I just found camouflage

Yet more battlefield inseption

https://images.app.goo.gl/BedTPyWoXgM4K56R7

[solemn topaz]

Oh that’s nasty. I love combat tricks.

[fleet cargo]

12 battlefields

[solemn topaz]

Oh Christ

[fleet cargo]

[solemn topaz]

That’s so toxic

Awesome.

Wait

Oh no nevermind doesn’t work

[fleet cargo]

?

[solemn topaz]

You can’t do meme manafest plays. Big sadge.

[fleet cargo]

Yeah unfortunate

[solemn topaz]

I thought it said “flip the card”

Which coulda been silly

[fleet cargo]

So silly

[solemn topaz]

“All my attackers became lands. Now what.”

But no

[fleet cargo]

I just finished the v1 of the deck and it's super silly

[solemn topaz]

Fun!

[fleet cargo]

I can have I think 6 combats per turn played optimally

[solemn topaz]

Awful. I love it.

[sudden wren]

playing the Manifest Dread Archetype is suprisingly fun

i didn't realize how fun it is to trick people into blocking death touchers

[solemn topaz]

just use bow of nylea

ez

[sudden wren]

bow of nylea is not standard legal

or in duskmourn

so its double illegal

[solemn topaz]

bah

silly standard

worthless format

[sudden wren]

we got a bit silly

[solemn topaz]

That’s just rude.

[sudden wren]

listen

corpse cobble is a perfectly balanced card

[solemn topaz]

no

no its not

[sudden wren]

yes it is :]

wdym turning my five 4/2s into a 20/20 with menace isn't balanced?

and then cloning that 20/20 four times to turn it into a 100/100?

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

i swear im not a sadist

but

i did learn something really fun

Tainted Adversary + Ghastly Mimicry

[sudden wren]

Warcrimes

its so addicting paying into the tainted adversary

sparky had enough of my bullshittery 😔

[sudden wren]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wall-break-rage-gif-8957717

https://archidekt.com/decks/9612721/recurring_duststorm

Temur Storm

And Naya Tokens
https://archidekt.com/decks/9618379/reproduce_and_consume

[solemn topaz]

@mellow sun it an actual MTG card too

[mellow sun]

You what?

Not bad either, the hell?

[solemn topaz]

yeah.

it does the blue green things. it very nice.

[brittle thorn]

https://vxtwitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1846215856394547202

[solemn topaz]

………..

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-hercules-gif-22417674

[fleet cargo]

https://youtube.com/shorts/oj0S2O-jHCg

[sudden wren]

the game didn't like me trying to resolve 588 lifegain triggers

[sudden wren]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/the-foundations-of-magics-next-era

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/aligning-the-universes-making-all-our-sets-legal-in-all-our-formats

tl;dr
Universes Beyond sets starting in 2025 will be legal in all formats

[solemn topaz]

Woo! time to play the One Ring in pauper!

I mean they said all formats.

all formats is all formats.

[sudden wren]

you can;t

UB sets starting in 2025 will be legal in all formats

[solemn topaz]

oh

hm

uhhhh

[sudden wren]

also, you still have to follow the rules of a format

[solemn topaz]

whats an op revealed card thats uncommon or higher?

[solemn topaz]

look they said ALL FORMATS

[sudden wren]

just cause its legal doesn't mean its legal

[solemn topaz]

bah

[sudden wren]

follow the rules

or be banished

oh, also

we're getting exquisite blood + sanguine bond combo in standard

except its even better

[solemn topaz]

good times

[sudden wren]

yup

[solemn topaz]

........

[sudden wren]

welcome to modern MTG, Gurm

[solemn topaz]

Ive been here

and its usually perfectly fine

I mean we had miku, that was great

we had some rad art

and now we have a tv show for BABIES

NO

I REFUSE

[sudden wren]

spongebob isnt that bad

[rain shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-patrick-you-are-scaring-him-stop-patrick-stop-it-patrick-you-are-scaring-him-spongebob-patrick-gif-23995388

[surreal quail]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/166/time-stop

funny cards are being added/reprinted

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/414/leyline-axe

[solemn topaz]

Oh so we do

[twilit patio]

yup

[steep quartz]

I'm pretty sure you've used this before, Gurm.

[solemn topaz]

Anyways my point Endia. Was that while you may disagree, you can word things less harshly and at least attempt to bridge understanding.

[solemn topaz]

I absolutely have I’m just a moron

[solemn topaz]

You can see me using it right here.

[steep quartz]

I was about to link back to that exact message.

[slate olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLaMiQU2kRc Colorless is definitely a color.

[steep quartz]

For comedic effect.

[solemn topaz]

Heeeeh

[slate olive]

@twilit patio

[twilit patio]

this is a video from the google slide game guy

[slate olive]

Yes.

[sudden wren]

I suppose, but I don't think green is the worst color
it has a decent chunk of support in that it can ramp, draw cards, make a wide or tall board, deal with almost any threat, and can be hard to interact with sometimes

[slate olive]

He used to do MtG videos.

Hence his name: "Magic the" Noah.

[sudden wren]

i suppose defining the "worst color" also depends on format

In commander, at least, green tends to be very strong
But if gurm was mentioning Turn 3 wins, that sounds like 60 card formats like Standard or Modern to me

in which, yeah, RDW is pretty confidantly in the lead

[twilit patio]

I'm not a commander player, how does green do there?

[sudden wren]

4 players, 40 life...

[twilit patio]

I assume removal is much less overabundant so green can actually have a chance at assembling a board

[sudden wren]

playing for the mid/long game can be better cause you have 3 opponents to deal with

the issue with red, and just aggro in general, is that they like to blow out as quickly as possible...against 1 player

[slate olive]

Which is thematic for Red, to be fair.

[sudden wren]

once you've spent all your resources to kill 1 person, you're very vulnerable to the other 2

there's also just a decent bit more interaction in commander

but, the interaction is...

well

[twilit patio]

even more interaction? then how does green get anywhere

[sudden wren]

i mentioned no MLD because thats a common Rule 0 for commander

[sudden wren]

ramp

[twilit patio]

mld being?

[sudden wren]

Mass Land Destruction

[twilit patio]

hah

[slate olive]

Basically, no board wipe.

[sudden wren]

no Land board wipe

[twilit patio]

no true board wipes

gotcha

[sudden wren]

but also, interaction is both more and less common cause of singleton rules and yadda yadda

and, again, 40 life

so red has a harder time chewing through that

[twilit patio]

so I'm interpreting that as "the good interaction is less common"

[slate olive]

Also the bad interaction.

[sudden wren]

it also depends on the deck you're playing and what colors you are in

you have 100 cards, how much interaction are you putting in?

[slate olive]

Blue has more people it has to worry about, so Blue is less likely to make the game unfun forever, because it can't as freely burn through it's control cards.

[sudden wren]

yeah

[twilit patio]

good as in Counterspell or cheap kill spells
you can only have one of each, so you need to use more expensive or restrictive cards as well

[sudden wren]

black also has to be more picky

because you have 3 opponents, not just one
you need to reserve your removal for actual threats, not someones Llanowar elves

overall, just having more people is alot of what causes the interaction to be different

cards that are a little more expensive, but say "each opponent" instead of "target opponent" have significantly more value

example

this is horrible, imo, in a 1v1

but in a 1v1v1v1...

[twilit patio]

yeah if you could run four of those, that basically just removes green as a color that can be played

[sudden wren]

you cant, both sadly and thankfully

[twilit patio]

let me just invalidate your entire purpose real quick

[sudden wren]

i mean, you DO need to draw it...

[twilit patio]

you say that like black has a problem with card draw and tutors

[cunning kelp]

The worst colour is obviously colourless

[sudden wren]

which format?

commander?
Eldrazi will beat you to high hell and beyond

not even eldrazi usually
just infinite colorless mana is wild

[sudden wren]

but also, sure
but now what if someone is running a deck that doesn't rely on creatures?

[twilit patio]

so the people playing B, U, or W?

[sudden wren]

lets say you're fighting...

[slate olive]

No, the worst color is Phyrexian, clearly. :P

[sudden wren]

Izzet Spellslinger, Selesnya Tokens, and Temur Cascade

[twilit patio]

all my homies hate phyrexia

[sudden wren]

actually, no, forget that

because typically counterdeckpicking is bad form

what kind of deck would you bring to any commander game, Sir G?

[twilit patio]

of those I recognize selesnya as green/white, izzet as blue/something, and temur I have no clue

[slate olive]

Even Phyrexia hates Phyrexia.

[sudden wren]

i like phyrexian

[twilit patio]

again, I don't play commander

[sudden wren]

im very upset they did phyrexia dirty in MOM

[sudden wren]

what kind of deck do you play in 60 card?

[twilit patio]

a deck I kept trying to make work was green/white +1/+1 counters

as you might imagine, it either lucks into a stomp, or dies terribly

[sudden wren]

what kind of decks do you have trouble fighting?

[twilit patio]

anyone who isn't also playing green or running creature heavy plans

[sudden wren]

alright, so

imagine you're playing a White/Green +1/+1 counter deck in commander

the decks that you would usually lose to now have to worry about 2 other opponents

[slate olive]

The obvious solution here is to just play Orzhov (White/Black) or Esper (White/Blue/Black). :P

[sudden wren]

so they can't focus you down without leaving themselves open

you have double the life total, and a card you can always cast, that card being your commander

you last longer, so you can ramp better, which means you can play sooner than those who cant ramp

[twilit patio]

the commander in question (unless there's a better one I don't know about, there probably is)

[sudden wren]

thats actually a pretty good commander for +1/+1 counters

[twilit patio]

ward 2 is top notch in green (sadly)

[sudden wren]

ward 2 is almost as effective as hexproof in most commander pods I find myself in

cause nobody wants to be tapped out for 3 turns

except me

i always tap out and its a problem

unless i have one of my...

-checks deck-

3 counterspells in hand

[twilit patio]

what's your main deck?

[sudden wren]

https://archidekt.com/decks/8351250/ingest_and_process

Sultai Eldrazi

ignore that the commander is technically WUBRG, i cant be arsed to build a proper WUBRG deck cause the land base is horrid

[slate olive]

I mean, 4 Color is generally very horrid for land base.

[sudden wren]

true

[slate olive]

There's a reason why most themed sets cap out at 3 Color for cards.

[sudden wren]

i'm one of those people who cringes at 3 specific things in commander:

1. Good Stuff piles
2. Random eldrazi in a deck not designed for them
3. Super Generic/Boring and flavorless commanders

i hate decks that dont have a soul

[slate olive]

Look, some people really like their Random Eldrazi who probably shouldn't be there if going by deck thematics, but is there because the person really likes that particular Eldrazi.

[sudden wren]

well, heres what i mean

i dont like seeing the old titans shoved in decks JUST because they're anti-mill tech

[twilit patio]

if it's there because "ooh, ability good", that's different than "silly little guy"

[sudden wren]

or new ulamog in a random deck just cause he's a good deck clearer

i fucking hate this ulamog btw

[slate olive]

Personally, I feel for the "silly little guy" people.

[sudden wren]

as an eldrazi fan

i hate this guy

[twilit patio]

what's annihilator

[sudden wren]

i hate zhulodok too

[sudden wren]

whenever it attacks, defending player sacrifices X permenants, where X is the annihilator value

[twilit patio]

that's hilarious

[slate olive]

Sounds fun. And it's really only 10 Mana?

That sounds like something that should cost at least 15 Mana.

[twilit patio]

love when Black pulls him out of their graveyard on turn four

[sudden wren]

i hate ulamog because its so

argh

i hate that people can shove him in any deck

and call it good

[sudden wren]

dont get the cast trigger then, thankfully

i ahte zhulodok for a slight different reason

[twilit patio]

doesn't even matter, ward (sac 2) and on attack, sac X is stupid good

[solemn topaz]

Does nobody have counterspells? Of any kind?

[sudden wren]

which is just "colorless ramp"

people have counterspells

[slate olive]

Because of the double Cascade?

[sudden wren]

which is a svaing grace

[twilit patio]

they got used on the green player

[sudden wren]

no

because it reinforces the "colorless ramp" deck archetype

[twilit patio]

I dared cast my commander and got nuked

[solemn topaz]

Well see the mistake was playing mono colour.

[solemn topaz]

Whoops.

[sudden wren]

more specifically, it reinforces the Masquerading green as a colorless deck

and

i

hate it

so much

it spits a bad name on eldrazi and it makes my blood boil

the worst part is that these cards are GOOD, which is why these things happen

[twilit patio]

nah, I'd run green/white +1/+1
commander being the funny cat who doubles +1/+1 counters on enter/attack
if I had a deck, anyway

[solemn topaz]

Ahhhh. I see.

Hm.

[sudden wren]

there's always time to build one

[solemn topaz]

Eldrazi put a bad name on Eldrazi. They’ve got too much synergy it’s completely BS.

[sudden wren]

tbf though, if you're in white, you have amazing creature removal

[twilit patio]

I mean I can't blame people for targetting the guy placing down "whenever you add +1/+1 counters, double them"

[solemn topaz]

It’s like the second coming of slivers.

[sudden wren]

Gurm, im sorry to say, but they're outclassed by more synergystic tribes

[solemn topaz]

Yes I can. That’s extremely easy to deal with.

You turn the commander into an elk.

[sudden wren]

humans, merfolk, and elves dominate the tribal setting usually

[solemn topaz]

That’s it. That’s how you solve problems

[twilit patio]

thank god Oko's banned

[sudden wren]

oko isnt banned in commander

[twilit patio]

think that's his name

[solemn topaz]

No he isn’t……

Not in commander

[twilit patio]

what idiot decided that

[sudden wren]

XD

people dont USUALLY play him

for social stigma reasons

same thing with mld

[twilit patio]

ah ok

[solemn topaz]

The same ones who continue to have banned Prophet of Kruphex

[slate olive]

I mean, a big part of that is that Humans, Merfolk, and Elves have a lot of cards in their tribes.

[sudden wren]

this is truew

[slate olive]

Also Goblins. A lot of goblins out there.

[twilit patio]

so the rules won't stop you, everyone else will throw hands if you play him though

[sudden wren]

eldrazi are fucking FAMISHED compared to those guys

[twilit patio]

good

[solemn topaz]

My complaint with Eldrazi and Slivers is that they were built to work together. This is what upsets me.

[sudden wren]

with Eldrazi and Slivers
you remove one or two good pieces and it all falls apart

[solemn topaz]

They work too well.

[solemn topaz]

points at every poorly constructed deck in existence

[slate olive]

White has Humans.
Blue has Merfolk.
Green has Elves.
Red has Goblins.
Black has Undead.

Long ago, the 5 tribes lived together in (relative) harmony.
Then everything changed when the Eldrazi came with fuck all for Tribe count.

[sudden wren]

Slivers is ONLY creature reliant, and they leech off of other tribes to get exntra benefits

[twilit patio]

elves is a tribe?

[sudden wren]

Eldrazi aren't AS creature reliant, but they...

hooo

[solemn topaz]

By the power of Muldrotha I bring rot, shenanigans, and tomfoolery into this realm. And I’m going down swinging.

[sudden wren]

they are not great in commander without the tacky colorless ramp

[slate olive]

Tribe refers to a group tag on Creature cards.

[twilit patio]

well yeah ik

[slate olive]

Elf is a group tag on Creature Cards, most often found in Green.

[sudden wren]

fuck all for tribe count XD

[twilit patio]

the reading comprehension is strong in this one

[sudden wren]

if we wanna be more specific

[twilit patio]

was it that hard to understand that I meant "wait, tribal elves is actually played?"

[solemn topaz]

Yes…. Elves have DECADES of cards printed.

Any lineage that long

That consistent

Will see play

[sudden wren]

Humans is strong in White/Green
Elves is strong in Black/Green
Merfolk are strong in Blue/Green (one of the most annoying damn color combos)
Zombies are typically Blue/Black (Rooftop storm)
and Goblins...yeah, goblins are just mono red

[slate olive]

If you're playing Monotribal Green, you're either playing Elf, or Beast. Most play Beast, but Elf Monotribal decks do exist.

[sudden wren]

Elves are very strong as a tribal deck

elfball is...terrifying

[twilit patio]

oh yeah blue green is another silly deck idea I had
beasts/birds with Tawnos commander (literally all creatures oh boy time to get countered into oblivion)

[sudden wren]

you're overselling the counterspell point

[slate olive]

Sometimes Elfball feels like it's just Katamari Damaci as a Magic Deck.

[sudden wren]

most decks run around 5 counterspells, a bit more and a bit less depending on the deck

IF

IF

they have blue

[slate olive]

Or some way to make Blue act as a different color.

[sudden wren]

true

in which case its white

or its blue counterspell tribal

(cough cough Baral)

[sudden wren]

i love this though

i need a secret lair of an elf commander that's that

but yeah, in a typical game of magic, you'll only actually ever see maybe...4-6 counterspells?

and only a third of them will ever be at you

you see alot more board protection

[slate olive]

Often in Commander the Counterspells are saved to counter Board Wipes.

[sudden wren]

yeah

cause nobody wants to lose their board

yes, even the spellslinger decks wanna keep their boards

[slate olive]

Rather than to fuck up Green trying to summon a 5/5 after 7 turns of having nothing.

[sudden wren]

yeah

social aspect is another big part of commander

and defines alot of the current casual meta actually

the most frequent rule 0s are:
No Mass Land Destruction
No Hard Stax (which they actually mean Lockout Control)
No Winning the game on turn 1 to 5

cEDH is a whole 'nother beast im not qualified to talk about

[twilit patio]

cedh being "screw you, I have an infinite turn three"?

[sudden wren]

cEDH likes fast games

[twilit patio]

so yeah

[slate olive]

Also 4: No hyperfocusing a single opponent to knock them out within 5 turns.

[sudden wren]

in Casual...its a safe bet the game lasts an hour

[sudden wren]

oh yeah, that too

there are also just social norms that are unspoken

like Oko

everyone whos not playing Oko groans at seeing Oko

[slate olive]

Give every player a chance to set up at least some semblance of a board, is one of the general Rule 0s.

[sudden wren]

i play in the cockatrice server, so I tend to get alot of games with people just trying out decks

[twilit patio]

and now I see how green can win games

[sudden wren]

yeah

green/blue is one of the best combos in commander, iirc

because its a mix of interaction and board building

[twilit patio]

green does a lot of very scary things very fast if they're allowed to exist unopposed for a relatively short time

[sudden wren]

and the stigma against MLD also aids green

which, like we said, likes to ramp-ramp-ramp

[slate olive]

Yeah. Green is given a boost in Commander by virtue of not being allowed to be kicked out early in most games due to Rule 0s.

[sudden wren]

this also means aggro decks suffer more than they normally do

[slate olive]

Meaning they can actually get out some big guys, and start doing the big guy stuff.

[sudden wren]

because not ONLY do you have to chew through 120 hp, but also you gotta be patient

[twilit patio]

like even in standard, if my opponent didn't have enough removal/counterspells to erase my board, I was handing them multiple 10/10 creatures swinging after like four turns

[sudden wren]

yeah, green is scary when it gets to build

which is why I dont think its the worst color

in terms of commander, red might actually be the worst because of just how its defined

it wants to go fast, but 120 health is a MASSIVE gate that prevents them from doing red things

[twilit patio]

the problem is it has to be allowed to build
it can't really hold itself up without outside help (or social contracts, like you've said)

[sudden wren]

true

but

group hug also exists

those games are hilarious

[twilit patio]

that's like the Gift mechanics and the like, right?

[slate olive]

Beeg Number is the second scariest strategy.
The true scariest strategy is Black's decay, as it speaks to the primal fear of one's life being rendered useless. :P

[sudden wren]

group hug is helping EVERYONE go FASTER

giving everyone extra draw, extra land drops, extra accelleration

etc

[twilit patio]

y'all, can we agree that Sheoldred, The Apocalypse is one of the worst cards Wizards has ever printed?

[sudden wren]

hahaha
yeah i hate sheoldred

[slate olive]

Group Hug: Everyone May Draw a Card. If they chose to, they gain 1 life.

[sudden wren]

my extort deck speaks volumes

[twilit patio]

yeah let me just shift the life balance by 4 every turn just by existing
and also I'm a 4/5 deathtouch creature

[sudden wren]

speaking of extort
ANY mechanic like that is amazing in commander

cause you get 3x as much value

commander just has a whole different setup compared to standard

personally, i think commander is fun for the social aspect, but games can definetly drag on

i like standard for the 60 card deck feel

[slate olive]

But also if blue is in there at all in any of the Decks, it was going to drag on anyway as a 1v1, so might as well have more fun with the 1v1v1v1.

[sudden wren]

in the amount of time it takes for me to get through a commander game, i can get through 6 or more standard games

[sudden wren]

true

there are 2 decks I enjoy playing alot in Commander:
Eldrazi and Shrines
both of which i've modified to be more flavorful than mechanically competent (though they are still quite synergystic)

[slate olive]

Orzhov and Rakdos decks are very fun in Commander, imo.

(Orzhov being White/Black and Rakdos being Red/Black)

[sudden wren]

Eldrazi is built as a Sultai-Tribal Ingest/Process deck, so I care about exiling cards (especially from the graveyard), dealing combat damage to players, having a wide board, and cast triggers

Shrines is built as a WUBRG trio synergy, being Shrines, Gates, and Monks. Alot of the monks have prowess and what doesn't has enchantress like effects. Gates is pretty much a secondary wincon, and Shrines are pretty self explanitory

and my favorite pet cards for each deck is in them, which are as follows

Fathom Feeder is just good
but a 5 mana tutor on a creature IIIIISSS iffy
but when my tutor is for my Sanctum of All...

[slate olive]

I mean, Tutor is always good since it means you get a crux card you need, no matter what.

Man, Discord is being real jank today. Lotta messages getting that red highlight of "Didn't send".

[sudden wren]

yeah
Discord Status says there are API Issues

[sudden wren]

this is true
but i just think the card is cool
I wish I could have the high def version of the card art

[surreal quail]

Blasphemous edict is insane vs high decks vs how blasphemous act does vs wide

[surreal quail]

Goes against the idea of edh yep

[sudden wren]

i mean, its still goes fairly wide
13 creatures from each player isn't bad by any means

the ceiling is 39 total creatures from your opponents

[surreal quail]

True

Insane card though

Rakdos is smiling

[solemn topaz]

Well that’s….. god commander is gonna get even more toxic.

[sudden wren]

commander is only toxic if you play with people who are actively toxic

i.e. randos

its a much more enjoyable game when you play with people you know

[solemn topaz]

yeah see, the only places I can play commander are with randos at my LGSes. so that. its..... its not great for me.

theres a reason I make my muldrotha deck an absolute abomination because I have zero idea if I ever have to be punching in a casual manner, or against some luantic combo deck with infinites

[sudden wren]

and you don't want to play commander online?

[solemn topaz]

I have a weird sensorial thing with games where I have a 'need' to play with physical pieces and have a tactile feel

no

I dont understand it either

yes

its a real big bloody problem

[sudden wren]

unfortunate

I would have enjoyed playing against you

[solemn topaz]

indeed

[surreal quail]

tabletop sim makes games so much more faster

(for when you're playing with friends)

because you can keep conversing while checking cards and such

which irl doesnt allow

that being said the social aspect is the reason I can succesfully host it almost every saturday at my place :P

[sudden wren]

i play on cockatrice in VCs, since i dont have easy access to an LGS

I havent tried playing a game on TT Sim, but I want to

i found a really nifty table for it

[solemn topaz]

I should try cockatrice at some point

Note: I’ve said this 5-7 times and then never followed through. Dunno why.

[sudden wren]

i can always help ya with that

its a fairly simply system once you get through it
but I can understand the desire for tactile feel

thats why I've been slowly considering assembling my Eldrazi deck in paper

[solemn topaz]

It’s mostly I hate importing decks to programs.

But also the tactile stuff

[sudden wren]

thats also fair

it is made exponentially easy if you make your deck on a website like Archidekt, and then copy-paste the list

[solemn topaz]

See I did.

And then

I fiddled with it

[sudden wren]

if you want a more feeling of actually moving cards around, tabletop sim is perhaps better
But its also messy cause you cant quick shortcut things

and stuff like that

[solemn topaz]

Bah. TTS and me don’t get along.

[sudden wren]

like, for example, on cockatrice, you have a command for auto-cascading

[solemn topaz]

It tries too hard to physically represent things

[sudden wren]

thats fair

[solemn topaz]

With physics.

[sudden wren]

its also annoying when someone flips the table... "for fun"

[solemn topaz]

If I want physics I have the real world.

[sudden wren]

and everything everywhere

[sudden wren]

i did have a funny experience where I attachs a bunch of cards togather with the rope tool

and when i tried moving it, it just exploded

but yeah, i get not enjoying TTS

honestly?

we need hologram Magic

where you do it in person for tactile feel, but you don't have to properly deal with the physics stuff

and shuffle by hand