Magic The Gathering

[solemn topaz]

we are crows.

space orks at best

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we come from DnD

we love clicky clacky shiny

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this is true

technically I came from GURPS though

ALL HAIL GURPS

THE GREATEST SYSTEM OF ALL TIME

WITH ZERO FLAWS

NONE AT ALL

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A shiny rock is 1000 times better than a normal rock

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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extremely true

and when other crows././. I mean MTG players wanna give me a 5 dollar card for a shiny rock they can have it

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YOOOOOOOOO

https://magic.wizards.com/en/products/bloomburrow/card-image-gallery

The full card list is now here

HA

Karn is a TREE XD

https://media.wizards.com/2024/blb/en_f3f76fad97.png

So uhhh

Whats worse than doubling the +1/+1 Counter on all creatures when attacking ?

When it happens twice that attack

https://media.wizards.com/2024/blb/en_200d8754ff.png
https://media.wizards.com/2024/blb/en_f93aadff24.png

muahahahahaha

https://media.wizards.com/2024/blb/en_cc64f8c5b2.png

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=589594&type=card

This is NASTY

Kibo doesnt destroy but makes you sac the banana

[solemn topaz]

MONKEY

YOU

THAT GREMLIN PIECE OF GARBAGE

I HAVE A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU

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PFFFFFFFFFFT

oh my god Elspeth is a MOUSE

ADORABLE

annnnd all the planeswalkers are locked ot either collectors boosters or the prebuilts

big sad

[sudden wren]

sounds right

but this does mean they very likely might be cheap

[solemn topaz]

Also there is no NEW planeswalker so far

At least in the revealed list

Just reprints

[sudden wren]

no

we have a new planeswalker

its Ral

his anime extended art actually looks pretty cool

[solemn topaz]

oh right he's new

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Nah

Ral is Ral

Different version but not new

Whole set has no "new" planeswalker

[solemn topaz]

right but his title, Cracking Wit, has new abilities

thats what I was asking about

not an actually NEW character

dispite how AWESOME THAT WOULD BE

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and they said going forward they dont want to print new Planeswalkers en masse

One per set

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yeah

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So this time it seems to be Ral

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yup

instead of someone ACTUALLY NEW

that could have been an adorable animal for all time

instead they just made everyone furries

which is fine

but disapointing

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We got enough new critters

[solemn topaz]

yeah yeah

[sudden wren]

maybe one of the animalfolk will join the kellen arc journay

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mayhaps

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Ohhhh

Skullclamp reprint

And Sol Ring

AWWWWWWW

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SHOW

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https://media.wizards.com/2024/blb/en_7d42766ca2.png

Its a treasure

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AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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Family is a Treasure

[sudden wren]

thats adorable

[solemn topaz]

I love this set

so much

it just

every time I see something I respect my descision to buy 2 boxes more than ever

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They didnt have to go so hard with the flavour in this set

[sudden wren]

pffft

[solemn topaz]

its just so ADORABLE

[sudden wren]

i wanna buy two boxes

[solemn topaz]

but they did. and its awesome.

[sudden wren]

if i had the money, i'd just buy a play booster box, but i don't

[solemn topaz]

I skipped out on basically all of Modern Horizons to save up for this

so

[sudden wren]

but i love the 'coons and bats

[solemn topaz]

its not like I just have this cash lying around

[sudden wren]

i have like
90~ saved up cause I ended up not buying my things for my eldrazi commander deck

i really need to get my life underway, i want to do shit like play with the happy animal cards

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

i would say something about life being difficult, but i don't feel like dipping into that conversation
so instead, i'll just play with the happy animals for free on arena

[solemn topaz]

yeah thats a good decision

life is hard. animals are soft and warm

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I JUST LEARNED I HAVE AN OFFICIAL STORE IN CITY STILL

[sudden wren]

congrats

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VERY GOOD!

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I hate it

I hate it
I hate it

[sudden wren]

why?

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The name is....
Allowance Thief

I hate it

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PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

[sudden wren]

hah

[solemn topaz]

they know their target audience

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I hate it

[solemn topaz]

its cute

you'll learn to like it

I mean my LGS is called Its Your Move and every time I hear it all I can think of is yugioh quotes.

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ughhhhh

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so

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But money

but also

Meeting new people again

[solemn topaz]

Cryo

take it from me

getting out into the world is healthy and useful

also, think of all the bread and cheese you could talk about with new people

nerds like bread and cheese

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I know but I also know that I never would be able to attend any games

as they start at 4 pm...

[solemn topaz]

yowch. brutal. Im sorry.

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I work till 6 on Friday

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yeah

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Maybe just for the pre-release of Bloomburrow

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spend within your means and dont burn yourself out okay cryo?

I care about you as a friend.

and you cannot stop me.

[solemn topaz]

Look at this demented garbage the Tarkir block brought us

LOOK AT IT

That’s just an atrocity.

Fate reforged was a hellish time period

[sudden wren]

they made a commander for that in boros

except it was just "spells you control have lifelink" iirc

[solemn topaz]

Wow

I mainly meant the second effect

But good to know

The whole “pay 4 mana yeet the spell back to hand it never touches the graveyard instant speed”

[sudden wren]

ooooh

yeah, that's def a jeskai thing

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I can give you an aneurysm once more about this card

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https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=426706&type=card

if you got the mana

opponents better have some counterspells or discard ready

Singleton viable way of Second Sun win

[solemn topaz]

I’ve already seen people do second sun in commander. It’s a lot of draw engine shenanigans.

Also second sun doesn’t go to grave

It goes seventh from top

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Actually I think the Creature ability replaces the effect before

Okay the "put in deck" is the spells effect and not a modified resolve

[solemn topaz]

Mhmmmm

[sudden wren]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JAoXgpneWzI?si=DY_kjjZT135EN-5k

[solemn topaz]

I mean

Kinda walked into that

[sudden wren]

But it's funny

[solemn topaz]

very much so

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Serious question time. Levitation, or Spidersilk Armour.

Levitation gives everything flight.

Spidersilk gives everything reach and +0/+1

Levitation is 2 blue 2 any

Spidersilk is 1G 2 any

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Reach can only block flying and not let you attack that way but it gives a little bit toughness which can help blocking

Levitation ironically is the more aggro choice

[solemn topaz]

Yeah

That’s what I’m struggling with

Aggro good yes

But

Toughness

But it’s only one point

I think

I’ll try it out

[sudden wren]

https://youtu.be/3qxIMNXcKFs?si=VPLClyPiZxOH9ZPk

[solemn topaz]

Look he’s good for the memes but I’m not gonna listen to him for actual advice.

I don’t listen to much deck building advice these days

I have a way I like to build decks, and it works mostly fine.

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..

Have you seen the clip ?

Or even taken a look at "Lesson 1" ?

[solemn topaz]

Yes I read lesson 1

And I disagree with it.

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...

[solemn topaz]

Did I judge it by its cover? Yup.

Look

I’m gonna read a book

You can write me a paragraph on why I’m being stupid.

But I’ve seen his content before, shorts and long form, and I don’t want to take advice from him.

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Yes Imma tell you why because you are impulsive and dont think two steps ahead

This is - as his rest of his content - 100% satire

Mocking every single steck min maxers do to build "perfect" decks

That is no advice

That is satire memery

You rush yourself into corners and statements before looking properly at things

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Lovely

And thus

Don’t wanna take build advice

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...

There is 0 advice

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There arguably is

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you are not even listening to me
He is Taking YOUR side

[solemn topaz]

…….

I’m tired and hungry

Legitimately

So

I’m sorry

Can you leave me alone.

Please.

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I know
Just try to listen when people tell you something you are clearly missunderstanding

[solemn topaz]

Ohkay

I’ll do what I can

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Now go sleep

before I have to use the commands and call the bot to tell you to sleep

[solemn topaz]

It’s 1 in the afternoon.

I’m not going to sleep

It’s too hot

I’m gonna scrounge for some food though

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https://tenor.com/view/pingu-hunt-food-swiggity-swooty-gif-11604456

[solemn topaz]

Yup

[sudden wren]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8532852/the_crucible

viola

[solemn topaz]

alright Ive found a new win con for my muldrotha deck and its actaully been functioning great

this lil gremlin

your opponents think they've won and everythings fine until you drop 18 or 22 flying 2/1 varmints onto the field

I think the max for my deck is something clsoing in on 30 varmints but I havent done the math

[sudden wren]

unfortunate they dont have haste

[solemn topaz]

nope

but when you have a spore frog that dont matter too much

[sudden wren]

what does spore frog say again?

ah

thats not very helpful

[solemn topaz]

.......

I play muldrotha

spore frog is one of the best cards in the deck

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Sacrifice is not bound by summoning sickness

Sporefrog is a recyclable Fog in a Muldrotha deck

Outside the deck : Okay card
Muldrotha : I have 2 green open.. do you really want to attack ?

And its not only you

You can mess in a 4 player commander game REALLY hard with Muldrotha + Frog

[solemn topaz]

Yeah

Eternal fog

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Eternal F(r)og

[indigo torrent]

Update on cards(no one cares but shush) they didn't buy the box because it was too beat up. Opened up and sold the cards back to them in singles. Got twice the price they offered for the box itself

[solemn topaz]

Nicely done.

[solemn topaz]

Also I care ya loon.

[indigo torrent]

The card I'm keeping is the slimefoot stowaway

[solemn topaz]

oh hell yes. he's a fun guy.

or should I say fungi

[indigo torrent]

I got the foil version of this as well

It's absolutely stunning

[solemn topaz]

ohhhhh thats lovely

Ive just got OG slimefoot

dis lil guy

Saprolings are such a fun deck. cause you just make a bunch of tokens and then do stuff with em

also its in gulgari which is my favorite 2 colour pairing (after that is dimir followed by boros)

[indigo torrent]

It's so pretty

I'm genuinely shocked at how cheap it is

[solemn topaz]

welcome to the world of magic

cards you find terrifying are cheap. cards you think are bad are 20-40 dollars

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Issue is I cant find my old decks...

[solemn topaz]

ono

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I have the two boxes with my bulk and binders but the few deck boxes I cant find

and you know...
There is shit like Sword of body and mind , feast and famine and such

[indigo torrent]

Enough to pay rent for a month?

[solemn topaz]

well sword of FnF sells for upwards of 33 bucks so potentially maybe

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Yeah the werewolf deck from Inistrad was a tad more expensive

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Okay chances are its still at my oarents

[indigo torrent]

Yeah thats worth picking up

[sudden wren]

it does not save you from destroy/exile boardwipes

oh, whoops, that was meant to reply to spore frog

[solemn topaz]

yeah

very few things save you from that

[sudden wren]

those boardwipes are the worry if you're going wide

[solemn topaz]

which is why we play counter spells

and have dodge cards

and have other methods of not giving a damn

[sudden wren]

and you have methods of always having one?

[solemn topaz]

nope

but Ill always have some kind of plan

[sudden wren]

Mmmm, i hope it includes fetching your other card from the graveyard

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Boardwipe argument is as shallow as a plate of water...

That is a threat to all decks

[solemn topaz]

muldrotha is not about having 1 line and playing it to its conclusion. its a branching nightmare of stratagies and insanity and mainly clawing your way back from the brink again and again and again.

also what cryo said

a counter to literally any deck I see could be "you get hit with worldslayer"

now what the hell do you do

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Try to rebuild

luckily

[solemn topaz]

look at this badboy

but yeah

anyways

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Muldrotha commander goes out next time and if the cards were not exiled

[solemn topaz]

the varmints have been working great

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they come back

[solemn topaz]

hell I can claw back from exile. very slowly but I can do it.

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The only real threat to the deck is graveyard hate

but decks have to actively have that

[solemn topaz]

a lot of decks have exiling which can slow a muldrotha down, but otherwise yeah

although, if you can knock out muldrotha enough times

it gets REALLY frustrating

muldrotha already costs 6

lets say I got lucky on my ramp and cast her out turn 4. somehow.

by turn 4 the blue players hand is going to have at least 2-17 counterspells in it

so yeah

getting muldrotha out safely is a real challenge at times

[sudden wren]

this is true, but it is still a very real threat

it is, imo, one of the biggest threats to be wary of if you're going wide

[solemn topaz]

Those who order stuff from Dragon Shield have any idea what this is? It came with my mat.

Like yes it’s a coin. The hell does it mean.

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just a coin

[solemn topaz]

cool

[indigo torrent]

yeah, aren't coins used in magic often?

[solemn topaz]

..... no

theres some cards that use coins yes

but they are NOT, PRIMARILY, a form of gameplay

you are thinking of pokemon

[indigo torrent]

i've seen the bloomburrow stuff using a lot of coins

[solemn topaz]

show me

WHERE

[indigo torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbTMzssktfg&t

[solemn topaz]

.......

dude

thats not helpful

show me specific cards

[indigo torrent]

Less a card

every turn theres a season

flip a coin if it activates that season or moves on

[solemn topaz]

........ what

Ive read the cards weegy..... I never saw a seasons mechanic

seasons is card art shenanigains

oh jesus christ what the hell is that wheel

that is NOT basegame magic

like weegy, I dont know what that is, or what its from, but that is not a typical format of magic.

so

[sudden wren]

-Zyndersplt and Okram staring at you from a distance-
-also krark-

[steep quartz]

There's a lot of coin flip cards in Magic. Enough that you can make a few different commander deck styles based on coin flipping.

It can also act as a token to represent a counter (Such as indestructible counters on the domini)

[solemn topaz]

Okay but what I meant is it’s not on every 3rd card

Yes you can make coin decks

There are enough cards

But it’s not like let’s say pokemon where every other card or so has at least 1 coin effect.

[sudden wren]

i suppose, but like
it's not exactly rare either

[solemn topaz]

Fair I guess

Anyways, the original point though was that bloomburrow does not inherently have a lot of coinage. That was some weird game mode they were playing.

[solemn topaz]

Mtg pre release done

Got mostly junk xcept my one reward pack. Ygra.

I got Ygra

I ate so much food (the card) during the event it’s only fitting

Like each food I got I ended up manually popping at some point

And I had a LOT

Once again. As I’m cursed. Lost game 1, won game 2, lost game 3 to a tiebreaker.

This has happened EVERY PRE RELEASE

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Couldnt go so I will probably do a pre-release on Arena

[solemn topaz]

Box opening done! Best of the haul.

Got some other stuff but this was the coolest.

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Daaaamn

Fire and Ice

Also Miha and a Three City

Three Tree City is one the new staple tribal cards , way too good

Nykthos but tribal instead of colour identitiy is insane

if you got both = Mana for days

[solemn topaz]

Yeah these…. These were some cracked pulls

I mean there were also some really bad packs. Had a fabled passage eat a rare slot.

[brittle thorn]

So, what's the deal with the new value boosters?

https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Value_Booster

These things

[steep quartz]

I mean, the wiki page seems to outline it pretty well.

It's a booster pack at a lower price point so that places like walmart or CVS can more easily justify stocking them and people who don't want to drop as much money on cards can buy and experience the set (albeit focused mostly on the lower rarities)

Not sure how well that's going to work out, but it's certainly an idea.

[brittle thorn]

Hmm

Seems like a bit of a strange niche

Trying to think of who the target audience would be

It's not jumpstart nor can you draft with it, you can't really build a collection with them nor hope for some resale. Wouldn't you just get chaff without the benefits of buying singles?

The wiki mentions it's a lower price option for retailers, I guess it's for impulse purchases?

I dunno, it seems odd

[solemn topaz]

7 cards.

they contain lower rarities and don't guarantee a rare.

why would anyone. ever. buy this garbage.

[solemn topaz]

I mean..... I guess.

[indigo torrent]

Kids

[solemn topaz]

what kind of child can afford MTG

children cant even afford pauper decks

if you say their parrents buying, parrents like getting moneys worth

[steep quartz]

I would like to point out that many children will buy a few boosters of a TCG just to look at the cool cards. Also, with a lower price point they can more easily pick up packs based on whatever allowance they get.

Parents might buy a precon deck for a birthday, and then the kid themselves can more easily finance getting more.

[solemn topaz]

fair enough

I guess

idk I didnt really have an alowance growing up

[sudden wren]

precons are also a thing

60 card and/or commander

[solemn topaz]

I am clearly not the target demo

so

if it sells well it sells well

[steep quartz]

It's appealing (in theory) to people that could get into magic casually, but don't because they can't easily afford to.

(Massive caveat here being I have no idea if this strategy will actually work. But I can very much understand the thought process behind it)

[solemn topaz]

well thats positive

time will tell

[sudden wren]

@solemn topaz
Psst, i made a modern deck
https://archidekt.com/decks/8602830/clerical_concerns

people don't like it though :<

[sudden wren]

@solemn topaz
Guess who

[solemn topaz]

NO

[sudden wren]

What's wrong?

isn't blight agent your favorite card?

[solemn topaz]

I know that card

I dont like that card

that card is evil

[sudden wren]

i thought you LOOOVED it~?

[solemn topaz]

my favorite card is Runeclaw Bear

[solemn topaz]

I mean its a neat card

its also pure evil

[sudden wren]

i coulda swore you had some thing with blight agent

either way, i came across a really cool stash of phyrexian sketchbook art and found this fella

[solemn topaz]

I did, its like, the one proper good infect card I own

neat

I mean its good art

[sudden wren]

so i figured i'd share this piece with you

[solemn topaz]

Its just an unblockable creature with infect for 2 mana is absolutely terrifying

mirrodin had some wild stuff

like myrs!

[sudden wren]

we also have "Die for existing" preator

[solemn topaz]

man I love myrs

[solemn topaz]

good times

[sudden wren]

i love losing 2 life for merely starting my turn

[solemn topaz]

just dont draw cards.

[sudden wren]

. . .

gurm

[solemn topaz]

yes

[sudden wren]

i'm going to shake you

not everyone has necropotence

[solemn topaz]

neither do I

I have unearth and a discard trigger.

[sudden wren]

you have to draw
mandatorily

you will be losing 2 life unless you skip your draw step

[solemn topaz]

no I dont

[sudden wren]

this does not stop you from drawing

[solemn topaz]

yes it does?

[sudden wren]

no it doesn't

[solemn topaz]

"INSTEAD"

hwo does that not stop a draw

its a replacement effect

the draw never occurs

[sudden wren]

it doesn't have the word instead on it

[solemn topaz]

IT IS RIGHT

THERE

[sudden wren]

you're looking at the wrong card

i never replied to the dredge

[solemn topaz]

oh

[sudden wren]

i replied to your zombie dinosaur

[solemn topaz]

oh

yeah no rotting does not stop the draw

[sudden wren]

if you CLICKED what i replied to...

[solemn topaz]

but its part of a 2 card combo

[solemn topaz]

ya know I should have

but

Im here now

so

yes

rotting does not stop draw

it does though allow for infinite dredge triggers (for your first draw step)

thus, no draw

[sudden wren]

alright then
so
you mill yourself into oblivion to stop a sheoldred trigger

[solemn topaz]

and thus, no need for silly necropotence

[solemn topaz]

yes!

[sudden wren]

you

I

do you at least have lab man or out of the tombs?

[solemn topaz]

of course I have out of the tombs

I also have elixer of immortality

Im stupid not suicidal

[sudden wren]

pfft

hey gurm

[solemn topaz]

yes?

[sudden wren]

what if i said "you can't, but i can?"

i like these handmade copy tokens for this jin

[solemn topaz]

neat. I think Jin is an evil gremlin piece of garbage.

[sudden wren]

which one though?

there's 3

[solemn topaz]

the one you just showed me

that auto counters a spell EACH

[sudden wren]

i see

[solemn topaz]

TURN

[sudden wren]

tbf

it's only SPECIFIC spells

artifact, instants, and sorceries

:]

[solemn topaz]

yeah. an siren stormtamer is 1 mana 1 mana sac

and does basically the same thing

and that card is so toxic every time I play it someone EXILES HER

[sudden wren]

listen

jin is 7 mana

it's fine

[solemn topaz]

points at omnicience

[sudden wren]

it's fine

[solemn topaz]

youre playing blue

with high cost spells

[sudden wren]

don't worry about it

[solemn topaz]

you are going to run omni

[sudden wren]

i've

[solemn topaz]

alright you know what

fine

I wont worry about it

[sudden wren]

never ran omnipot before

[solemn topaz]

Ill just kill you instead

[sudden wren]

good choice

so i cast cycrift twice

[solemn topaz]

well thats not nice

[sudden wren]

well killing people isn't nice either

so it evens out

[solemn topaz]

it would be a shame if I had an endleslly reoccuring flare of denial here though

[sudden wren]

that gets countered the first time you cast it

[solemn topaz]

huh

........

I hate you

[sudden wren]

<3

[solemn topaz]

E>

[sudden wren]

blue is a fun color in magic, i swear

[solemn topaz]

look if you play blue mill

thats fun

blue counter hell?

I hate you

[sudden wren]

so no blue +1/+1 counters?

[solemn topaz]

mono blue has +1/+1 synergy?

we're talking about mono blue here

[sudden wren]

yeah

[solemn topaz]

huh

[sudden wren]

alot of it is "when cast noncreature, put +1/+1 or something"

[solemn topaz]

I mean if its just +1/+1 sure why not its probably fine. worst case scenario I use the fetal position and cry about it

[solemn topaz]

PROWESS

[sudden wren]

and it then also has a bunch of proliforate

[solemn topaz]

MY ARCH

[sudden wren]

no

[solemn topaz]

NEMESIS

[sudden wren]

prowess is not proliforate

[solemn topaz]

look yous said "non creature +1/+1"

thats just prowess

[sudden wren]

we also have a bunch of "when you draw, do X"

[solemn topaz]

yeah yeah

and then you win with oracle

[sudden wren]

prowess does not give +1/+1 counters

[sudden wren]

ew

no

disgusting

blegh

oracle is always in the bin

[solemn topaz]

true

[sudden wren]

do not dare taint my deckbuilding with such GARBAGE

but no, i've built a mono blue coutners deck before

https://archidekt.com/decks/8381511/research_and_reward

counterbore is such a niche card, but very help in multi-monocard decks

oh yeah, bloomburrow is out

gonna be time to build animal decks soon

[solemn topaz]

yeah bloomburrow fun

did ya see my pulls?

[sudden wren]

no

[solemn topaz]

right there

[sudden wren]

i might have, but forgot

[sudden wren]

oh, yea i saw this

[solemn topaz]

ah

[sudden wren]

https://archidekt.com/decks/8617868/sifting_through_bones

made a squirrel deck for bloomburrow cause they actually look pretty cool

might do racoons next

[visual patrol]

Okay

so if anybody of you wants to have a hell of a laugh and feel EXTREMELY POOR AND INADEQUATE .. Watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHkPPtVwG6Q

Ben is being Ben again

The whole deck is || Just Beta Set cards ||

|| You can buy a small house for that ||

[solemn topaz]

…….. BEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNN

[surreal quail]

I just found out about this threat sadge

[surreal quail]

"small"

[surreal quail]

blue has too many counter interaction for it's own good

wizard class

proft's eidetic

random counter things

prolif

prolif again

[indigo torrent]

i appreciate each card getting a price next to it to show just how ludicrously expensive it is

[visual patrol]

yup

[indigo torrent]

i lost track after 10k

[sudden wren]

decided to make a pair of custom cards
anyone wanna take a look at them?

[surreal quail]

Ye!

Im off work in a bit so if you want dm them

[sudden wren]

could i just post them here? lets others give their opinions as well if they so wish

[surreal quail]

Sure

[sudden wren]

both of them are made from characters of mine

[solemn topaz]

Silva is real interesting. Thats….. huh. I approve.

[sudden wren]

does it tickle your graveyard fancy?

fun fact, this is not a replacement effect

so you still get death triggers

[solemn topaz]

yeah no its neat. its very interesting. and because its counters even if Silva is destroyed if you can get them back the effect has a backlog to work with.

I like.

its neat.

[sudden wren]

:D

guessing you're not a big fan though of turning your blood tokens into sign in blood/Thrill hybrids?

[solemn topaz]

yeah Im just sorta confused on what a blood token is?

whats its sac cost?

what other sources create it?

what does a blood token do on its own

[solemn topaz]

ah

from a set I didnt play

of course

[sudden wren]

was a big part of vampires in crimson vow

even got its own commander deck

[solemn topaz]

eh I think blood mcgee is fine. just doesnt really get my brain tickled like Silva.

[sudden wren]

pfft

[solemn topaz]

Im very graveyard biased you should know this by now no?

[sudden wren]

no, im aware dw

silva is a very near and dear character of mine, so i'm glad you like the card i made for him

[solemn topaz]

okie

WAIT HTATS A DUDE?

ah oh weell

[sudden wren]

...

yes XD

this is a (insect) man

[solemn topaz]

dont mind me. not awake enough for braining good enough

[sudden wren]

i should probably make some more cards

they're fun to do when im properly motivated

[solemn topaz]

theyre also really hard to do well. you did good this time.

[sudden wren]

thank you

alongside doing stuff for my own characters, i've also been working on crossover cards between PM and MTG, but i'll share those...another time

[solemn topaz]

neat

[cunning kelp]

It is a featherless biped, this is true

[sudden wren]

XD

[surreal quail]

i gotta say, exiling a creature and getting it back sounds like a saproling trigger

[sudden wren]

maybe, but Silva doesn't do mushrooms, he does plants

plus, we DO have cards like Insidious roots

[solemn topaz]

man I love insidious roots

thats the good stuff

although interestingly I'd personally think that would more fit saprolings or at least mycanoids. not plant.

ah well

[sudden wren]

i think its plants cause trostani

[solemn topaz]

trostani?

[sudden wren]

selesnya guild leader

[solemn topaz]

..... okay but insidious roots is.... gulgari?

who are closely tied to mushrooms?

and decay?

[sudden wren]

yeah

[solemn topaz]

like yes

insidious roots has trostani inside of its flavor text but thats flavor text

its very much a card of mushrooms and decay

with the graveyard and colouring

and the +1/+1

but then its just plant

which is an odd choice

idk

mtg design is weird

[sudden wren]

-shrug-

i think saprolings just dont exist on ravnica, but i'd have to double check that

[solemn topaz]

the hell

okay then why not mycanoid

thats a generic mushroom creature type right?

[sudden wren]

myconoid is not a creature type

we have Fungus and Saproling

[solemn topaz]

........ so it isnt

okay

well

fungus coulda worked too

either way

kinda werid that its 'plant'

really shows the brilliant thinking that went into Markov Manor

god forsaken hellscape of a set that it is

[sudden wren]

also

i am just wrong about the saproling thing

selesnya saprolings

hey gurm, is this a good card? :]

[solemn topaz]

.......... I have mixed feelings.

[sudden wren]

why though?
it's an 8 mana 7/5 with 3 mana exiling and 6 mana stealing :]

[solemn topaz]

but its not 6 mana stealing. what it is, is 3 mana anything you choose on your opponents side of the field is exiled.

its not damage based so first strike cant defeat it. its not death touch of any form. its just "creature that interacted in X way with this card is exiled"

that is horifying. its a god damned exile on a stick. you cannot kill it with combat damage. additionally, you can stack up multiple forced blocks. so for 6 mana, thats 2 creatures EXILED. thats a better conversion rate than murder. 8 mana for the card is extreme as well.

I see the concept and I also see none of it exicuted well. that 8 mana cost might as well not exist because with a card this powerful you're just going to cheat it out, in any number of ways. as a graveyard player I myself know a good handful of ways to just yeet this card into reality. not to mention with green, you are going to have plenty of mana gen to do whatever you want. you dont even need to swing with this thing to get value. its mere presence as a threat is horifying enough.

also if you cheat it out that then means your opponent is forced to use resources on what quite possibly could have been a bait all along.

the card has issues core to its design philosophy.

the card should honestly just have deathtouch. then maybe a passive effect of "creatures killed by this card are exiled instead" or however magic likes to word that, finally with just a 5 cost or so ability to resummon an exiled creature if you demand that ability exist which quite honestly is more of a red feeling power than a gulgari one.

additionally the forced block text should be removed

as that is just asking for abuses of so many kinds

wait what do you mean thats a real card

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THATS A REAL CARD

WHY IS THAT A REAL CARD

HOW DID THIS GET PAST QA

WHO LET THIS PAST QA

[sudden wren]

-wheezing on the floor-

[solemn topaz]

OH SWEET JESUS

[sudden wren]

hey gurm

[solemn topaz]

GET THE FLAMER

[sudden wren]

this card was originally made

in 2005

[solemn topaz]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ahhhh

I see

[sudden wren]

or 1995

one of the two

[solemn topaz]

2005

city of guilds was its first release

anyways that makes a lot more sense

still a complete nightmare of an existence but at least back then it would have been more reasonably balanced

christ

I thought this was some custom abomination some lunatic dreamed up

[sudden wren]

no XD

[solemn topaz]

I quote AVGN once again

"WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!!!!!"

[sudden wren]

just cast Shore Up 😏

[solemn topaz]

yeah see Silva

the solution to that card

right there

is to grab it and eat it.

as an experienced MTG player your ability to do this should be reasonably enhanced

[sudden wren]

what? XD

oh wait, im dumb

[sudden wren]

in response, i give hexproof and indestrucible

[solemn topaz]

in response, I eat your card.

sleeves included

[sudden wren]

XD

[solemn topaz]

oh Ill get indegestion alright and be banned from tournaments for life

but

Ill have proven a point

[sudden wren]

i forgot that the guild kits were so funky

[solemn topaz]

I dont wanna know

not after that debacle

[sudden wren]

hey gurm

do you like NOT being able to decide combat on your turn?

[solemn topaz]

thats just more expensive fog!

[sudden wren]

in a game of 1v1v1v1

this could be devestating

[solemn topaz]

I mean

yeah its kinda cursed actually

either way

this is why we have counter spells

[sudden wren]

you cast this on someone elses turn and forces another person to block

[solemn topaz]

I mean yeah

you just take someones combat for a turn

full swing into someone else

and force them to not block

[sudden wren]

ort

[solemn topaz]

and bing bang boom, instant win

[sudden wren]

you force them to block and wreck both their boards

[solemn topaz]

I mean yeah.

but thats lame

[sudden wren]

oh hey, eminence before eminence

[solemn topaz]

if I want board destruction I have 37 WOG equivilents

[solemn topaz]

oh I love that card!

[sudden wren]

so X equals 10

i gain...mmm...120 life from your 12 white soldier tokens

[solemn topaz]

yeahhhh was printed in the bolas vs ajani duel decks. that angel is my friend

go up to hand size and discard it

just gain life until the end of time

[solemn topaz]

well you are also hitting your own board with that

[sudden wren]

hey gurm

[solemn topaz]

cause radience is a STUPID MECHANIC

[solemn topaz]

well thats rude

[sudden wren]

so you stick this on impervious greatwurm, right?

oh and uhh...fuck you.
just a card that says fuck you

[solemn topaz]

theres cheaper and better options of that

[sudden wren]

true

but this is just 5 mana protection for all your permenants save itself

[solemn topaz]

hexproof

not protection

I cast: any number of non targeting board wipes

oh hey look is that a worldslayer?

die.

[sudden wren]

no

have birb instead

make peace, not war :]

[solemn topaz]

you know my enchantment destruction is creature based right

I dont need non creature spells

Im a muldrotha deck

fear me

[sudden wren]

would you rather i just silence you every turn?

[solemn topaz]

....... no......

I'd rather you not play a theoretical blue green white deck with every counterspell in existence

[sudden wren]

i mean

you're talking about a GUB deck that has supposedly the answer to every problem i make for you

so therefore i must have the answer to every problem of that

[solemn topaz]

you could just

include like

1 or 2 artifacts that exile my grave

thats all you need to do to deal with muldrotha

seriously

3 at max

its very simple

[sudden wren]

tis is true

but then you have answers

[solemn topaz]

now of course I have 1 answer in my entire deck for that

elixer of imortality

deck space is tight okay?

anyways

long and short

muldrotha can be hard countered

[sudden wren]

this is true

[solemn topaz]

I relaly need a second deck

cause like

if someones playing a muldrotha counter

I just dont get to have fun that evening

[sudden wren]

well do you only like playing with the graveyard?

[solemn topaz]

nono

theres other things I enjoy

I just only have muldrotha built

[sudden wren]

like?

[solemn topaz]

I need to make a new kindred deck of some kind

[sudden wren]

fungus

[solemn topaz]

ramp. timmy things. big monsties. murder. the colour green and red.

[sudden wren]

monogreen stompy

[solemn topaz]

yeah Im working on red green aggro rn

but

yes I know

Im thinking about stuff

deck building takes time

[solemn topaz]

for me at least it needs inspiration

thinking

consideration

[solemn topaz]

and IM NOT PLAYING ANOTHER GIANT COSTED COMMANDER

4 mana MAX

[sudden wren]

i mean, it's only 2 mana more expensive than the enchantment version

plus you are in GREEN

you have RAMP

[solemn topaz]

anyways

Silva

I dont need your advice on deck building unless I ask for it

deck building to me is deeply personal

[sudden wren]

:V

alright then

hehehehe~

[surreal quail]

first strike deathtouch is one of the most fun things to block

[sudden wren]

it is, ain't it?

[surreal quail]

funny wincon though

who needs any type of damage/life loss

when someones hp gets set to 1

lol

[solemn topaz]

Box 2 arrived….. the first pack.

[solemn topaz]

Final tally of good/neat stuff from this box.

[solemn topaz]

While not Flubbs, I am happy with Glarb.

[sudden wren]

pfft

i don't think you can get flubbs from boxes

im pretty sure hes like a value pack special or something like that

[solemn topaz]

Damnit you’re right he’s locked to a commander deck

Screw you wizards

Gimme the silly Froggo

[sudden wren]

hes...not a commander

[solemn topaz]

His only printing is IN the commander deck.

He is not the commander himself

[sudden wren]

in the commander set you mean?

cause there's no Temur commander deck

[solemn topaz]

……… sure. I don’t know magic anymore

Back in my day

There was one god damned set

And they all had the same bloody symbol

And you could just go “ah yes this card is in this set ima pull for it”

None of this special guest, unique printings, side set BS.

[sudden wren]

ah, here we go

Flubbs the Fool is only available from the Buy-A-Box promo

so i guess maybe you got a chance at getting him?

idk what boxes you got

[solemn topaz]

……….. I didn’t get nothin like that

So

[sudden wren]

-shrug-

[solemn topaz]

shrug

[sudden wren]

then you never had a chance at getting him in the first place, sadly

[solemn topaz]

That’s lovely

Well I got the other frog I wanted

And some other neat stuffs

[sudden wren]

neato

[surreal quail]

Ooo lumra dragonhawk and the weasel

[solemn topaz]

yeah thats my second dragonhawk. so one is probably going into the trade box

cruelclaw looks neat, the downside is I dont have any of the big hitters you'd really want to run with her.

[sudden wren]

you don't really need any other hitters for cruelclaw

just make him very hard to block and you're golden

[solemn topaz]

no by big hitters

I mean targets for that ability

such as: blightsteel

[sudden wren]

disgusting

but fair enough

[solemn topaz]

I dont have any of the big eldrazis

essentially all I'd have would be some valueish aggro?

I mean maybe there are something I could throw together

I'd have to think

[sudden wren]

https://tenor.com/view/grumpy-side-eye-frown-face-gif-5546327

[solemn topaz]

he literally cheats things out by you discarding cards, what ELSE would you play him with?

[sudden wren]

1. cruelclaw is a guy
2. i'm an avid anti-eldrazi abuse fan

[solemn topaz]

1. how was I supposed to know that.
2. I am an optimizer. I optimize.

[sudden wren]

1. i gave the subtle nudge by addressing him as him
2. thats fine, but i maintain my stance

[solemn topaz]

the funy thing with recent cards is their immense LACK of flavor text

1. understandable I just cant read sometimes.
2. understandable.

[sudden wren]

👍

[solemn topaz]

actually Value cruelclaw would be neat

cause then its not "LETS GO GAMBLIIINNNGGGG"

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

oooooh ideaaaaaaaaaa

[sudden wren]

some people play him as madness

[solemn topaz]

madness?

ahhhh

yeah I dont have enough synergy there to do that

[solemn topaz]

yeah

not nearly enough madness to make that work

I have some ideas

just needs some thinkening

[sudden wren]

Mmmmmm

well good luck

this is a funny unset card

Mm, yes, lemme spend 8 mana to cycle, madness, and buyback

11 if i wanna kicker as well

[surreal quail]

i agree

[sudden wren]

rereading some Eldritch moon lore

[solemn topaz]

Good times.

[sudden wren]

imagine if you met yourself, Gurm

how would you feel?

[solemn topaz]

I have codewords and passphrases to determine the situation and how I would respond

why do you want to know

you tryin to clone me?

TRYIN TO FIND OUT MY PASSPHRASES?

HMMMMMMMMMMM>

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO KNOW SILVA

[sudden wren]

Those reasons are beyond your comprehension

[brittle thorn]

I have this strange fascination with starter boxes in tabletop games

How are the Magic ones? Is it worth picking more than one of them up? Are they reasonably balanced against each other?

I have the 2022 one from way back but some of the recent ones have some pretty appealing theming

Wondering if it would be a neat way to casually play some budget Magic, similar to Jumpstart

[solemn topaz]

....... magic the gathering has table top gameeeessss?

outside of magic itself??????

[brittle thorn]

Yeah, Game Night

They haven't made one in a while so I haven't been able to find them, besides there's some mixed reception on those

[sudden wren]

gamenight is pretty decent, as someone who wasted $50 on getting one

the decks are pretty alright, the strongest being monowhite equipment and monogreen elfball

[brittle thorn]

https://youtu.be/7ne2VMZzyq4

Fun video

[sudden wren]

i had a genius idea for a deck

[solemn topaz]

Ono

[slate olive]

Never a good sentence to hear/see...

As 99% of the time, the sentence means that it's hell for the opponent.

[sudden wren]

Toralf, Solphim, and Ojer Axinol

did i hear lightning bolt boardwipe on 1/1s?

the minimum damage i'd be able to deal on creatues would be 2 and the minimum on players would be 8, if Axinol doesn't change his power

[solemn topaz]

………………….

Bad

Stop that

[sudden wren]

no~

im having fun

its been a while since i had a good deck idea

[solemn topaz]

Go build something that won’t make the table strangle you Silva

Why can’t you just make a normal deck

Like hyper agro green red stompy

[sudden wren]

because i haven't found a fun commander for that

my closest thing to that would be a theoretical oil counters deck with Maze Crusher as commander

[solemn topaz]

The red green elf that makes mountain and forest mana

When stuff attacks

[sudden wren]

who?

also

hmmmmm~

[solemn topaz]

https://scryfall.com/card/dom/195/grand-warlord-radha

The red green elf that makes mountain or forest mana when you swing with stuff.

[sudden wren]

eh

doesn't really inspire me

[solemn topaz]

Bah

You lack inspiration

[sudden wren]

this card is so generic, it's somehow more generic than white bread

[solemn topaz]

…….. it’s red green ramp

[sudden wren]

yes

[solemn topaz]

What do you want?

[sudden wren]

something thats not generic

[solemn topaz]

………. All I’ve got is ramp, tribal, and graveyard

Bug someone else.

[sudden wren]

hey, YOU said i should build a "normal deck"

YOU were the one who brought that card up

[solemn topaz]

Yes

This is your fault. Clearly. Mhm.

[sudden wren]

im gonna incinerate you

anyways, deck is done

https://archidekt.com/decks/8842763/linferno

don't worry about the instants:creatures ratio

its not worrisome at all

[solemn topaz]

Please try. I’ll just come back from the grave. I have ways from exile too. Try it. Attempt to kill me.

[sudden wren]

i raise you

rakdos charm

[solemn topaz]

Well now that’s just rude.

[sudden wren]

:]