Magic The Gathering

[sudden wren]

Yup

[solemn topaz]

HOW COULD YOU

[sudden wren]

I had an idea for a funny combo with it

i play necropotence
I exile my entire library except the last 6
i destroy necropotence
i cast this fuck-off thing
i discard my (almost) entire hand
I play inverter of truth

I keep my library :]

[solemn topaz]

I have a funny combo. its called I play fleetswallower and that enchantment that makes players mill double the amount of cards they milled.

I then swing

your librarly deletes

[sudden wren]

Okay

You're still dead in 6 turns if someone else is alive

Better get cracking, ol chap

[solemn topaz]

yeah probably

I mean

maybe

also you said it doubled draw rate

I wouldnt kill you

that would be counter productive

[sudden wren]

For myself

[solemn topaz]

oh

I see

[sudden wren]

Technically, you would die first if you didn't do any thing to save your library

Because

[solemn topaz]

ah

[sudden wren]

You're drawing twice as fast

[solemn topaz]

yes

I see

interesting

[sudden wren]

That's why you save the library

[solemn topaz]

uhuh

right I see

[sudden wren]

I always wanted to find a fun use for inverter of truth

Such a cool card mechanics wise

We call this a last ditch card
By we, I mean me

[solemn topaz]

why does WOTC hate my yard

they printed the cards that made it good

and now they just make everything hate it

[sudden wren]

Me, myself and I cause nobody else likes to think cards can be useful

[solemn topaz]

I see

[sudden wren]

Do you ever do that?
Where you just go through cards and just say what is shit and what isn't?

[visual patrol]

Am sad

Cant make a Myr deck in Arena

the old sets are not in

Mirrodin and co

Some Myrs are there but the mana dorks are not

no Battlesphere

[sudden wren]

as an eldrazi player, it makes me both sad and happy that people are dumbasses
someone had new ulamog out with Annihilator 5 (so they were a 12/12)
i had a bunch of token creatures and a 15/15 deathtoucher
they swung

does anyone else see the problem with this move?

[visual patrol]

depends on the amount of tokens and strength

[sudden wren]

i had 9 token creatures

they made a bad move because i could pay the anni and kill their ulamog without discomfort

[visual patrol]

"a bunch" is not really a help and given how you just lumped them you want to focus on the 15/15 Death touch and the rest of the board

with that state yes

but if you only had 4 tokens and the 15/15 and no other perms anymore I would have swung as well

[sudden wren]

okay then

[visual patrol]

if 9 tokens and other stuff then yes

[sudden wren]

next time i get in a situation like that, i'll just take a picture

[visual patrol]

stupid

The thing with annihilator is that the defending player chooses

[sudden wren]

yes

[visual patrol]

but if you know the targets they can choose you can plan more

[sudden wren]

yes

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Though with how Annihilator works it can be abused in fun ways

[sudden wren]

the only really problem with annihilator for those who use it is that you need to be able to attack

[visual patrol]

in that situation you attack with Ulamog and then phase him

[sudden wren]

if you can't attack safely, congrats, you just lost a card

And typically a decent one

the fact that new ulamog don't have indestructible is kinda crazy

gets bitten by a snake and keels over

[visual patrol]

To be fair

This one also exiles half your library on CAST

and has annihilator 2 as ward

IMO
Defiler > Ceaseless Hunger > Infinite Gyre

ehh

Defiler <=> Ceaseless Hunger > Infinite Gyre

First two depends who is better but both better than Infinite Gyre

[sudden wren]

ceaseless hunger has better long term viability

and has indestructible

[visual patrol]

Yeah but he needs to stay on field for that

[sudden wren]

yes

[visual patrol]

The Defiler exiles half the targets library on cast

[sudden wren]

yes

[visual patrol]

Which means even counterspells dont stop that

[sudden wren]

i mean, stifles do

also, just cause their library gets exiled doesn't mean you won

cause my library got exiled and I still beat them

[solemn topaz]

the fact that you could have used a 1/1 with deathtouch instead.

[sudden wren]

you're right, i could have

however, i prefered to KEEP my deathtoucher

since it was a shrine

[solemn topaz]

I see

[sudden wren]

and, you know

shrines are important to keep around

[solemn topaz]

No. I don’t. Because I don’t know what a shrine even is

[sudden wren]

it's an enchantment type that has the typical line of "more shrines = more stuff"

[visual patrol]

Fun little archetype from Kamigawa

[solemn topaz]

I see

[sudden wren]

also, i just pulled a godless shrine from a collector booster from ym Clue: ravnica edition pack

neato

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https://draftsim.com/mtg-shrines/

[sudden wren]

5 hondens, 6 sanctums, 6 go-shintai

[solemn topaz]

I see

thats

[visual patrol]

With the ever loved Shrine Commander

https://draftsim.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Go-Shintai-of-Lifes-Origin.png

[solemn topaz]

horrifying

[sudden wren]

all of them are pretty neato

[sudden wren]

i need to rebuild them

[solemn topaz]

.........

[visual patrol]

As all shrines are enchantments

[sudden wren]

https://tenor.com/view/sandy-shocks-magneton-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-theworguy-gif-27323440

love me my shrines

[visual patrol]

You can get em back for a measly wubrg

[sudden wren]

and shrine steward is a pet card

[visual patrol]

The shrines can get stupid pretty fast

[sudden wren]

yeah

especially with sanctum of all

[visual patrol]

Sanctum Weaver as well

Ramp is real

[sudden wren]

"so, yeah, i will...deal 6 damage twice, create 12 tokens, deal 6 damage and gain 6 life twice-"

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https://draftsim.com/wp-content/uploads/mtg-card-DB/cards/3/9/3979ee8f-ab9c-4b3f-9857-9977550d1323.jpg

Shrine is an Enchantment type sooooo

[sudden wren]

the funniest trick ever pulled was making us belive the go-shintai had creature types

all shrines ARE enchantments

[solemn topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/stillesque-gif-25544405

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https://draftsim.com/wp-content/uploads/mtg-card-DB/cards/a/a/aabede8a-12f5-4b24-b4a4-a888702b20e5.jpg
https://draftsim.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Honden-of-Nights-Reach.jpg
https://draftsim.com/wp-content/uploads/mtg-card-DB/cards/d/e/deab016b-b92e-4a7a-9dea-90aff4de0044.jpg
https://draftsim.com/wp-content/uploads/mtg-card-DB/cards/4/8/484b11b8-d420-4da6-996c-4b6316389c37.jpg
https://draftsim.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Honden-of-Lifes-Web.jpg

All dem Upkeep triggers

[sudden wren]

and then we have main-phase triggers

and then we have endstep triggers

[solemn topaz]

yeah but theres ways to get more upkeeps

many more ways

horrifying ways

[sudden wren]

maybe
but i would prefer more end step phases

and besides, EVERYTHING is already triggering twice if i have 6 shrines + sanctum of all

ignore that it also fetches every upkeep :]

[solemn topaz]

thats actually just cancer

just

actual cancer

just search for a shrine and YEET IT ONTO THE BATTLEFIELD

OF COURSE

[visual patrol]

yup

[sudden wren]

yup

however
shrines have no innate protection

so they can be easily dealt with earlygame

and lategame, if you have a boardwipe

[visual patrol]

No innate protection applies to many things

[sudden wren]

true

[fleet cargo]

thats why you put esika in there as well to get more shrines out per upkeep

[visual patrol]

Ahem

Core is back but better

https://youtube.com/shorts/72QGZ-V1TDw

Foundations
This is basically Core Sets 2.0

Contains a lot of stuff
Standard legal till 2029

For FIVE YEARS a core set

[solemn topaz]

Christ.

[sudden wren]

interesting

[visual patrol]

Also

[solemn topaz]

Do tell

[visual patrol]

I just learned we are not safe from Ea Nazir even in magic

[solemn topaz]

Ohhh?

[sudden wren]

from who?

[visual patrol]

His curse still lingers

[sudden wren]

huh?

[visual patrol]

Copper of such quality it hurts all

Ea Nazir strikes again

[solemn topaz]

Pfffft

[solemn topaz]

A man with really. Really. Shitty copper.

That’s basically all we know about him

He kept clay tablet reviews of himself.

Or so we think

Found a “new” card for Muldrotha.

https://product-images.tcgplayer.com/fit-in/1092x1092/240052.jpg

Look at it

It’s nearly perfect

[slate olive]

*Nasir

[steep quartz]

I'm very late to this conversation, but I imagine that snakes would appear, if anything, in the form of a monocolor big force of nature, like the monogreen bear they previewed.

The tribes of Duskmourn are generally non-predatory, and predator species are going to appear more as these larger than life dangers.

[sudden wren]

not duskmourn

bloomburrow

duskmourn is the horror-themed set

[steep quartz]

I know. I was responding to his comment about no snakes being in Bloomburrow.

[sudden wren]

but you said the tribes of duskmourn

[steep quartz]

Oh, so I did. How the hell did I not even notice reading my message back?

Derp. Anyway, point being, there might be a snake in a Lumra-esque role, maybe in monoblack, maybe in monogreen if they have more than one of these in each color.

[sudden wren]

XD

maybe

[solemn topaz]

Ohhhhhhhhhh. Ahhh. I see.

I forgot they showed off the giga monocoloured ones.

[steep quartz]

Bloomburrow is very Redwall adjacent.

[solemn topaz]

It is

I like that

[visual patrol]

ohhh damn that bear

That one would be great in a Lord Windgrace Land deck

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Jesus Christ Kibbler stop

Watching a commander match from Commander at home and Brian just went from turn 1 to 8
Mana Crypt > Sol Ring > Plays Forest for turn 1 > Skyshroud Claim for 2 more > Gruul Signet

So uhhh

how do people feel about a Turn 2 Ur Dragon ? XD

…..

https://tenor.com/view/stanley-hudson-the-office-really-oh-now-gif-16420149

He has no more hand cards

So Turn 2 was actually Dragon Courser which allows him to put his commander ( Ur Dragon) from c zone onto the field with haste

1.) Turn 2 already someone half dead thanks to 10 Commander dmg

2.) Ur Dragons Effect triggers on attack and he can draw 1 card since 1 dragon is attacking

Top Decks into Morphon

The most stupid part is that now his Ur Dragon costs less despite being back into the Command zone….

Meaning next turn he casts him and still has 4 mana left

turn 3…

[solemn topaz]

sweet jesus.

[sudden wren]

i love getting free wins on arena because people JUST concede

[sudden wren]

"Creatures with stun counters on them don't untap on their owners untap step"
does this prevent the removal of stun counters?

[visual patrol]

Unless it says so it doesnt you can

The big rule of Magic :
Can't beats can

if there is no Cant you can

[sudden wren]

...what

[visual patrol]

The golden rule of Magic

[sudden wren]

sorry, that was said in a version conufsing way

is this supposed to be a yes or a no?

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Anything with Can't outrules Can

If it doesnt say "can't remove" you can remove

[sudden wren]

stun counters will only usually be removed if the creature is untapping
but if it never untaps, no stun counters will be removed

yes?

[visual patrol]

Thats the counters innate effect

if you got an effect that moves counters or removes you can do that with them

[sudden wren]

the counters innate effect says "if this permenant would untap, remove a stun counter instead"

so if it never untaps, a counter would never be removed, yes?

[visual patrol]

yes

[sudden wren]

okay, thank you

[visual patrol]

"Stun counters exist independently of the effects that created them. If a permanent has no stun counters on it, it will untap as normal."

Any effect causing it to untap willo trigger a counter

like Unwinding Clock and such

[sudden wren]

i know

but i was specifically looking for the answer to my question, which is "yes, it does"

[visual patrol]

I mean your initial question here was if they can be removed , implying asking if external effects other than the stun can remove them

[sudden wren]

i said "does this prevent the removal of stun counters"

and the effect specifically stated the untap step

[steep quartz]

If you have an effect that prevents a permanent from untapping, that also prevents it from removing stun counters via the counters' innate effect. However, you can still use vampire hexmage or similar to remove stun counters.

[sudden wren]

yes, i am aware

[solemn topaz]

I got to use Shaman of Forgotten Ways 11 cost ability again.

I love when people just ignore him

and then one turn I get 11 mana

and they just die

well I typically die too

but

downside: 2 of my opponents were vaping for half the time I was there and now my eyes feel like their burning and my face feels like its made out of smoke.

[sudden wren]

wash your face, maybe?

[solemn topaz]

probably would be smart

[visual patrol]

Okay excuse the fu me ?

It is legendary equip ( manually) only but what the hell

Giving your commander a casual +10/+0 and Vigilance ?

[sudden wren]

:]

Dw about it~

[solemn topaz]

Tron decks are frothing.

Not to mention

points at the white black blue equipment doubling knight

[visual patrol]

Ahh I forgot his name

But the legendary Green Red with 4/2 ( or 2/4 ? I forgot)
Whenever he attacks he creates a token that has all the things attacked to the og as a copy and vanishes after that

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=597918&type=card

Stangg

Creates essentially an Echo ( - Counters) whenever he attacks

[sudden wren]

keep in mind you can't keep the copy of the sword unless you have a mirror box or sakashima

[sudden wren]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8280853/elementary_deductions

another standard deck for the books cause i can't help myself

[visual patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6PzsnusrIA

oh damn

This + Mirrorbox in a legendary deck

[solemn topaz]

These legends are….. intense.

It’s so adorable

This is just redwall the magic set

So rabbits are Slesnia.

Neat

We’re getting reprints of the swords?!

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Yes

[solemn topaz]

Spicy

[visual patrol]

but lorewise it is that some artifacts, monsters and planeswalkers have different appearances in this plane

there are 0 humans

[solemn topaz]

So I’ve noticed

[visual patrol]

So everything turns into a Bloomburrow variant

Ral is an Otter
Jace a fox
Tamiyo a Rabbit

[solemn topaz]

So I wonder what the furry community thinks.

[sudden wren]

My boyfriend thinks it's cute

[visual patrol]

Its a cool concept

[solemn topaz]

New cards obtained

How to figure out how they all fit into the deck

Syr Konrad probably won’t make it into the deck, but he looks neat.

I say probably, he just isn’t. But he’s neat

[solemn topaz]

after..... a very long time Ive finally found my muldrotha win con.

Insidious Roots

Scute swarm was also an option, but Insidious Roots just does better with my setup

maybe one day Ill find a reason to buy Scute Swarm

one day

the card in question

my deck, as mill heavy as it is, has always been about getting as many creatures out of my grave in one turn as possible..... and then sacrificing them to dark gods for benefits

but mainly that first bit

thus, by chaining together a bunch of cards that get other creatures out of grave, I can spiral very quickly

and then eat a boardwipe to the face but you know its about the potential

[sudden wren]

you know

maybe I am a combo player
although I prefer combos with like
5+ cards

i like the idea of setting up and then knocking it all down in a gradiose swoop

i learned this after playing the new discover precon on MTGA

oh yeah
Midnight Hunt, Crimson Vow, New Capenna, and Neon Dynasty are rotating out of standard in the fall

so to anyone who plays Standard, be aware of that

[solemn topaz]

I like little tricks. Not true combos but comboy stuff

Like discarding a card to use its ability to mill lands to saccing worldshaper

That sorta stuff.

[sudden wren]

I just like synergy

Tried the new discovery precon
Tickled my senses

[solemn topaz]

fun

Ive heard the new precons are nice

I think

[sudden wren]

The boros precon is a ton of artifact-creature synergy and Discover

The totally not powrcrept cascade

[solemn topaz]

I hate discover

[sudden wren]

XD

I discover 10, then I do that 4 more times

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

i know, right?

oh, and off that first discover, if i hit something that has less then 10 mana, i make treasures equal to the difference :]

oh yeah, uhhh

so simic, huh?

[sudden wren]

man, faeries are something else

i only attacked ONCE that test match

[idle tinsel]

Anybody use the cockatrice emulator to play MTG without making your wallet weep?

[sudden wren]

i do

[sudden wren]

The Domini Look so cool

[solemn topaz]

I think there’s a few around here.

But I am a cardboard gremlin at heart. My wallet will likely try to kill me one day.

[sudden wren]

i am happy

i almost won a game with my trio of deck

i oiled 2 people to death

[solemn topaz]

Awesome!

[sudden wren]

i lost to a hammer bro though

but still, i got close!

[solemn topaz]

Ah well

[sudden wren]

I may have a slight problem

[solemn topaz]

Noooooooo

You?

Nooooo

[sudden wren]

listen

i like Phyrexians

Im a big fan of Synergy

[visual patrol]

I see no problem

Not that I was firmly on Phyrixian side during the pre-releases of the scars of Mirroding block

noooo

And that a mono black EDH deck with that lovely compleated furnace Dragon was my first commander deck

[slate olive]

I am ambivalent towards the Phyrexians. I had stopped playing before they became a thing.

[sudden wren]

XD

i think people are very scared of Toxic :V

thats like
the main fear point of Phyrexians

poison counters

[visual patrol]

Let's be real : it is a STRONG ability

[sudden wren]

it is

but it's less strong in 1v3 than 1v1

most of the time because your cards are more expensive + you're getting ganged on

oil counters rock though :]

[visual patrol]

Also for example in Arena the classic decks cant be made

as infect isnt there simply and Withering isnt as spread at all in phyrexian cards

[sudden wren]

yeah

so you have Toxic

which has a very decent amount of support

[visual patrol]

Withering + Fight mechanics were not a thing for long in standard back then ( Inistrad) but are fun

[sudden wren]

cough the one golgari that gives additional toxic counters

[visual patrol]

First your critter hits and reduces the power of the target
So you could actually target creatures stronger than yours

Phyrexian Crusader with Double strike was nasty

[sudden wren]

sadly, such things are not a thing in arena

and i rarely see anyone play any format other than commander outside of arena

[solemn topaz]

Phyrexia shoulda won

But a man and his stupid book said otherwise

[sudden wren]

who and his book?

[solemn topaz]

A planeswalker back in the original phyrexian invasion had (or has he might still be around because of what happened) that knew all history that ever would be….. and he scribbled in there JUUUUST as phyrexia was winning that they lost due to heroism and some other stuff.

Like the man was atomized as he finished writing in the book

Phyrexia won long ago

The writers wrote themselves into such a bad corner that they invented a book that controlled reality to save themselves.

[sudden wren]

wait, what?

[solemn topaz]

Where is this book? What happened to it, and many other similarly powerful artifacts? WHO KNOWS! The writers stopped trying years ago!

[sudden wren]

i thought phyrexia lost cause of stupid dumb bullshit on Elesh Norn's part that she was really stupid for trying to do

[solemn topaz]

https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Guff

[solemn topaz]

Nono, the ORIGINAL phyrexian invasion

The old school

Back before Phyrexia was out of black

Commodore Guff saved the multiverse by literally rewriting existence itself

Again. Phyrexia won long ago. And if Elish wasn’t a complete dumbass they would have won again.

But noooooo

Had to screw with the oil

God damned hack writers

Grump

Am I a bad person because I want Phyrexia to have won and had a bunch of sets to play around with well known planes being completely oilified? Maybe. But it woulda been cool.

[visual patrol]

Phyrexia isnt out of the picture

Like at all
They could have wrote it that they were completely annihilated but didnt

chose explicitly that they were banished into nothingness

Where the plane is still active

[solemn topaz]

I never said they were cryo

I just said they should have won

[visual patrol]

Just in the Multiverse that the oil became inert

[sudden wren]

I hope urabrask comes back

i miss my buddy

[visual patrol]

As well as all beings touched by it

So Phyrexia can be scheming and they can be made to return

[solemn topaz]

Which is weird. Because every drop of oil is meant to be immensely dangerous and self propagating.

[sudden wren]

we're also gonna ignore how the phyrexian oil just
lost its toxicity

cough yargle straight up eating it

[visual patrol]

Thats because Norn had to tinker with it

[sudden wren]

but like

why

[solemn topaz]

Moronic Norn

[visual patrol]

Ego

She wanted to the sole Ruler of Phyrexia

[sudden wren]

didn't Jin Gitaxis even say that norn was going to get them all killed?

[solemn topaz]

Probably

[visual patrol]

Before she mind controlled him

[solemn topaz]

Either way. One of these days Phyrexia should win again.

[visual patrol]

The only not affected one was Urabrask

and Sheoldred

[solemn topaz]

I wanna see like Bloomburrow oiled

[sudden wren]

no, she didn;t

[visual patrol]

Sheoldred was punished and Urabrask was a wild card

[sudden wren]

jin gitaxis turned against norn

the only preator who didn't turn against norn was Vorinclex

[visual patrol]

Must have forgotten that part

Also its 4 am for me..

I have been on watch here for a few hours

brain is fried and tired

ahhh

Jin-Gitaxias fell into his vat of newts, who promptly devoured him. Norn, meanwhile, managed to destroy the entire Gitaxian army assailing her; however, the battle left her gravely wounded, with her legs and much of her armor torn off. In her weakened condition, she was finally overtaken and destroyed by Karn.

[sudden wren]

the three preators who could actually THINK and weren't norn all ended up saying "this woman is crazy and/or gonna get us killed"

[visual patrol]

So in a Sense... Gitaxias was the reason the war ended

but not how he expected

In the end his thought that she will get them killed GOT them killed

[sudden wren]

i mean
he's always had the thought, as far as I was aware

but, all in all

i want more phyrexian stuff, urabrask was cool
what i REALLY want though

IS FOR THE PLOT HOLE OF EMRAKUL BEING STUCK IN THE MOON TO BE RESOLVED

[slate olive]

It's not a plot hole, though. He's simply stuck on the moon. That's it. He's stuck. On the moon.

[sudden wren]

she's stuck in the moon, and idk, that seems pretty damn important considering what she says to Jace during that arc

[slate olive]

Yeah. No plot hole there. Simply stuck in the moon. No plot hole at all. Just stuck. In the moon.

[visual patrol]

Yeah

Just sealed

[slate olive]

The moon has to be haunted, after all.

[sudden wren]

bah

[visual patrol]

To be fair

[sudden wren]

okay, plot hole was inccorect wording

[slate olive]

If someone isn't stuck in the moon, then the moon can't be haunted.

[visual patrol]

Everything in Inistrad is haunted

[sudden wren]

but she's stuck in the moon, and she apparently has plans

[visual patrol]

Tree ? Haunted
Dog ? haunted

[sudden wren]

i want to see those plans

[slate olive]

Eventually you might.
Until then, she is stuck in the moon.

[visual patrol]

'Eepy 'Drazi Titan

[slate olive]

The haunted house? Extra double haunted.

[sudden wren]

imagine we get eldritch moon part 2, this time with kozi and ula comin in to crack the moon open like an egg

actually, isn't the moon artifical?

[slate olive]

No, it's haunted. :P

[sudden wren]

ah, no, thats superstition
i just remember things about the moon being silver and stuff

which is not fact

[visual patrol]

And technically the printed cards have a little plot hole if we take theirs

As Emra got a print in MH3

[sudden wren]

i mean, if we wanted to do that, we would say all the new titan cards are plot holes

because ulamog and kozilek's plane-bound forms were destroyed by nahiri and chandra

[visual patrol]

Which is why I think MH3 has no story relevancy

[sudden wren]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[visual patrol]

basically

[sudden wren]

i think it def has no plot relevance aside from bits of flavor text and stuff

[visual patrol]

Eepy Drazi

was tired and went to nap nap

No more playing with the mortals

[sudden wren]

emrakul took a nap in the moon and partially caused the events of MID and VOW

[idle tinsel]

Oh wow I missed some fun talking goshhh

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New Naya Commander dropped

https://i.redd.it/blb-baylen-the-haymaker-v0-7pk72zfde7cd1.jpg?width=744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e793784b5170c14a3d8ca273c298b996fc5bc250

And those Rabbits to multiply like crazy

Can play that shit at instant speed...

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and..... its in red

krenko flashbacks

thank god it doesnt have blue

otherwise you could use arcane adaptation

but still

its got green and white which love their tokenss

throw in a myr turbine and some other stuff and you can go crazy

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Its also ANY token

it doesnt care what

Food , treasure , critters

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..... oh god.

oh god it just wants token

oh god.

oh no.

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Yep

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ohhhhnononononono.

looks over at ancient copper dragon

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Or

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any number of other horrifying options

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https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=620336&type=card

if you have any of the abundand token doublers out

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oh christ.

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You can tap to create mana and then cast to create more

[solemn topaz]

either way, this is gonna be one hell of a commander

[solemn topaz]

damn

big rotations

[sudden wren]

mhm

we no longer are gonna have werewolves in standard

[solemn topaz]

No more day night.

[sudden wren]

im sure you're glad for that

[solemn topaz]

I play commander

I’m never free

[sudden wren]

how unfortunate~

[solemn topaz]

uhuuuuh

[sudden wren]

well, i just tested my balance deck right now

actually felt pretty good, despite what people have told me

[solemn topaz]

Neat

[sudden wren]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7980831/a_fine_balance

[sudden wren]

made a commander deck that was vaguely inspired by persona
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8443082/last_suprise

it is also, suprisingly, under $100

[sudden wren]

Behold cringey cringe deck i build for standard ranked
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8444306/cringeic

[sudden wren]

this seems like a reasonable playtest state, no?

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New fun card for Selesnya players

Need quick life ?

Cast for X=0 aka one Green

All tokens have indestructible till next turn and you gain life equal to tokens you control

The copy is interesing , but IMO the strength of the card is in casting it for 0 or maybe 1

Also I just noticed the absolute flavour overload in this one

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/d/f/dfe36901-5841-4942-8b61-c273111f715e.jpg?1720542104

He is a Bard and Stork

he brings babies

[solemn topaz]

Sweet Jesus.

[sudden wren]

man

i

"love" yedora

i love my opponent playing cloudstone curio and then getting infinite mana that easily

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Ayoooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsoDxaDI2sg

Bloomburrow Precon showcase

So if you want to see the cards in action

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You have heard of the Swords of X and Y but are you ready for

Despite the name

Holy shit

So many decks print out 1/1 tokens

this HAS to go into them

PFFFFT

Comment from Olivia :
"She has the power and thoughness of a pixar mom"

If you know what she means

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SHE THIQUEEEEEEEEE

[solemn topaz]

new sword?! fun.

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Sounds harmless

But BOY

[solemn topaz]

what do you MEAN sounds harmless

CRYO

THAT THING IS ANYTHING BUT HARMLESS

+1/+1 for EACH 1 toughness you have?!

points at KRENKO MOB BOSS

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Sword of the Squeak does NOT match the effect

That is the Sword of the Primordial Roar if anything

[solemn topaz]

Sword of "YOU MESSED WITH THE WRONG HOUSE FOOL"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBxn56l9WcU
HEAR MY WAR CRY

[solemn topaz]

by the nine......

terrifying

bloomburrow better have a tiny round frog with the warcry ability.

everyone remembers warcry right?

https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_cry

battlecry whatever

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oh yeah I member

Though I was playing Gruul or Golgari at the time so not much Battlecry going on on my side of the field

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either way

fun lil ability

good times

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https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

The name

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……. COME ON WOTC

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GOTTA GET SWOLE

look at the friggin arms of the tiny mouse

Arms thicker than its head

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God damn

The beef

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so you have heard of https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/8/d8299d1e-84c1-4c02-a00d-6e7a662e1a7a.jpg?1682210108

Get ready for

so at minimum when it attacks its a 7/7

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Did they just power creep myr battlesphere?

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Its a vehicle

[solemn topaz]

Oh

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not creature

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It’s worse

Huh

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I mean worse in a sense if you look at the card art

that this is a vehicle

[solemn topaz]

……. WHAT

I still prefer Myr Battlesphere

MBS is my friend

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Its a ball of hamsters ... thats a vehicle and not a creature

implications are... well

[solemn topaz]

It’s being controlled yes

Unlike the MBS which is an accident

Oh interesting

Hm

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I mean its not a creature

its not alive

[solemn topaz]

I still think it’s powercrept MBS.

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I mean it is

[solemn topaz]

I figured it out

The vehicle is the thing they’re all huddled in

Note the construction around the rodents

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or amassed in

[solemn topaz]

It’s not a ball of corpses!

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Also if we ever had attack animations and effect animations

I could see this spin and throw out the hamsters

[solemn topaz]

Anywho

I still prefer MBS

Cause it’s Myrs

And myrs are my favorite creature type

Legitimately

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ye

cute dummy bots from world of bots

[solemn topaz]

Yeahhh

They’re tryin

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I am just so sad that Scars block is not in Arena

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Alpha and Omega myr are my favorites.

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Ichorclaw Myr

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“First to rise, first to fall”

“Last to rise, last to fall”

[solemn topaz]

Bad cryo! No infect!

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ALL THE INFECT

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That’s one of the Myrs I actually own

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I have so many

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God I should make a myr deck

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Two Myr Turbines
Two Myr Reservoirs I have

also

Ubermyr

[solemn topaz]

I have……. Myrs….. many myrs…. Whats a myr reservoir

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https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/5138fmi7muL._AC_UF350,350_QL50_.jpg

A card you NEED in a Myr deck

Sol ring for Myrs and brings back myrs from graveyard

[solemn topaz]

Oh.

Oh my god.

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I just noticed this binder I have in front of me has all the Myr deck cards from standard back then

Myr Galvanizer
Unwinding Clock
Kuldotha Forgemaster
Myr Turbine/Reservoir/Battlesphere

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Damn

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ohh I noticed

in english he is called "Myr Superion"

ohh some Shimmer Myrs

Mirrorworks

[solemn topaz]

Yeaghhh

Good stuff

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parallel lives

note

all cards are twice in that binder

And as combo finisher a Blightsteel Colossus

[solemn topaz]

Christ

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Mimic Vat

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Wat

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ahhh Mirrodin my beloved set

[solemn topaz]

Mirrodin had such good stuff

Good times

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https://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=451164&type=card This with 2 parallel lives

[solemn topaz]

Darksteel myr my beloved

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4 token for the cost of one

Also a +Size Griselbrand Promo

[solemn topaz]

I personally like prototype portalling a prototype portal

INFINITE PORTALS

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ahh prototype portal I just found as well

[solemn topaz]

nice

Ive got a playset of those

2 mirrorworks as well..... and I think 1 myr turbine

I really need to go through my artifacts

I also should probably make a trade binder

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ohhhhh

found shiny pretty

Promo Plaguemyr

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........... christ

Ive just got normie plague myr

who is one of my favorite myrs

he just looks so lost

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Ha

found the card where the name is literally what Wizards was doing when creating it

"Mental Misstep"

[solemn topaz]

I mean what spells cost 1 or less?!

flashforward to spells being cast for free or less

also storm

storm count

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Also not instant or sorcery

just spell

Counter target spell with mana cost 1 or less

for Blue phyrexian mana

so

Turn 1 enemy counter because screw you

Beginning of the match :
"I play a planes , tap for 1 and play Sol.."
Nope you dont

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denied

"I cast onithop-" "COUNTERSPELL"

is there a commander ornithopter deck?

II should google that

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There are lots of thopter decks

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answer: there is a legendary ornithopter

its not really commander material though

oh theres also this lad

hes slightly more commander material besides well..... being colourless

[sudden wren]

It's the sword of "proliferation"

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sword of "die"

[sudden wren]

The sword of family

[sudden wren]

You'd be surprised how much that doesn't matter

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its less a matter of you cant build around it

more a matter of I dont want to build around it

[sudden wren]

There you go

[sudden wren]

im not having a good day on arena today

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

holy shit i finally won one

and it was by such a tight margine

they had mirror march out while I was on 3 life

and only had 2 blockers

that was terrifying

[solemn topaz]

Woo!!!

[sudden wren]

poor eldrazi player

whipped him around with my shrines

the bane of eldrazi is not having spells to cast

true for any deck, but ESPECIALLY eldrazi cause they have alot of On Cast triggers

sparky is so dumb

she died to my All Will Be One cause she killed a creature of mine

Wait. I've been here before

in this EXACT situation

i don't understand sparky

gurm, why did she not block?

[solemn topaz]

Conceding without conceding.

I’ve seen it before back in my hearthstone days

They give up the fight but not without making you do it

[sudden wren]

Bah

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Its a common thing

[solemn topaz]

Often in live commander games I won’t scoop. I’ll make them kill me. It’s one last act of control

[sudden wren]

this is a BOT though

how would a BOT understand that?

and they wouldn't even die if they blocked, they have a creature with DOUBLE STRIKE

[solemn topaz]

Because bots can learn spite

[sudden wren]

wow

well, i've readjusted the deck

cause i realized i can't reanimated fleshless gladiator without poison

so now I just chuck lava at my opponents face

i love working in the forge :]

lets see how well this deck does in a standard match

these three work so well in tandem

well i beat the faerie precon, that's gotta stand for something

[solemn topaz]

Apparently I own nearly a playset of this gremlin.

[sudden wren]

i never heard of this guy before

is that a common or uncommon?

okay, uncommon

[solemn topaz]

Dirt cheap too

In other news: Bristly Bill is apparently worth 25 bucks….. I just….. like some days I look at cards and I can only ask “how”

Yes doubling counters is good but

I just

5 mana to double counters?

Or are they using him for the landfall?

I just

I am the confused

If someone know why…. I’ll take an explanation

[sudden wren]

they're using him for both

he's a 2 mana counter placer
with ramp, he's easily putting a counter across 2-3 creatures per turn

if you have Shattered Ozolith or Kami of Whisperes hopes, or jsut ANY counter multiplactor, thats MULTIPLE counters on MULTIPLE creatures

and then the 5 mana double is jsut icing on the cake

[solemn topaz]

Oh…… oh nyo…..

Well out of the trade pile and into the “I will abuse you for my own purposes” pile

[sudden wren]

XD

yeah

also remember that landfall is whenever ANY land ENTERS the battlefield

not played, ENTERS

meaning ramp triggers it

or playing cards from your graveyard

[solemn topaz]

Don’t worry I know how to abuse landfall. It’s one of my favorite keywords.

[solemn topaz]

I have discovered the greatest card in all of magic.

This should be legal

I need my opponents to be shouting “ACH! HANS RUN!”

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Ach! Hans run! It's the Blightsteel Collosus!"

I dont think you want to hand this to the Gruul players XD

[solemn topaz]

Yes I do

Because then I could use it

[fleet cargo]

I'd put it in a deck that just has really hard to pronounce names like asmo and... I know there's others oh the name of the card is in a different language making it so i have to say it in that language to get the card

Possible self imposed rule? Sure

But it's funny

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Put in your deck then

wait that was a spell

nooo

he is a creature

Totally useless but fitting of the card

[slate olive]

He's not a creature, though. Just a Shapeshifter. It doesn't say "Creature" in the middle bar at all. Just Shapeshifter.

[solemn topaz]

Creature is covered up

I found a card that is grammatically incorrect!

FINALLY!

WIZARDS YOU FOOLS YOU SLIPPED UP

IT SHOULD BE MOGIS’ MARAUDER NOT MOGIS’S!

I may have been card sorting too long

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It is a creature type as it has power toughness in its active state
And the oracle text specifies this

[rain shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/801489576300380160/1264542176117919815/0ce3270a-d6ba-41e6-8bcb-a84c2c824782.png?ex=669e402c&is=669ceeac&hm=e9d3c755d23456629dd30c3b456cfbe8e90faef1e7e04f4009bbcdea28f066fe&

[sudden wren]

Pffft

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damn

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But

is he

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244379911972720671/1263896984780279878/image.png?ex=669de18b&is=669c900b&hm=a7d59ecd7f7ac234a2b935c910d803ff044f5fd31cace2dfd5db4f26f004a20a&

Selesnya REALLY has stupid token gen with those rabbits

[solemn topaz]

they really do

not to MENTION if you start adding in population cards

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LUCKILY

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/d/f/dfe36901-5841-4942-8b61-c273111f715e.jpg?1720542104
No green in this one

If that was Bant we would have a problem

One could argue Naya could have been worse

[solemn topaz]

thank christ

well I just spent 66.66 dollars on new sleaves and a new mat.

I think the universe was trying to tell me something. ah well. down to hell it is for me.

although speaking of jacked rabbit you know what commander option IS in its colours?

god help us all

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I know

The tapper

Who doesnt care what type of token it is

just A token

Treasure ?
Clues ?
Food ?
Critters ?

All are the same before the Haymaker

[solemn topaz]

all tokens are equal here in rabbit land

bring out the token creators

and rain down hells fury

[sudden wren]

hey Gurm

do you like casting spells for free?

[solemn topaz]

so was just scrolling through cards as you do. found this affront to manadorks

[solemn topaz]

debatably

4 mana gain 2 mana dorks that tap for any, and then, if you dont have a use for them, GET SOME +1/+1 COUNTERS ON EM

[sudden wren]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8445580/archeology

what if i said every turn you can cast 5 spells for free?

and debately more if you chain combo it

[solemn topaz]

...... only five?

looks at omnicience

[sudden wren]

yeah, but you need BLUE for omniscnes

it's also expensive

here, you can beat up your opponents quicker

[solemn topaz]

why wouldnt you play blue though

blue is an excellent colour

so is green

and black

just play those 3

nothing else

sultai supremecy

maybe rarely swap out black for red.

[sudden wren]

because blue is cringe

ignore that i'm a blue phyrexian right now

thats irrelevant

[solemn topaz]

uhuuuuuhhhhhh

cringe.

phyrexian artifacts are where its at

none of this coloured nonsense

like blightsteel myr

now theres a phyrexian

[sudden wren]

phyrexian artifacts are colored nowadays though <.<

usually in blue and white

[solemn topaz]

no.

blightsteel myr

[sudden wren]

yes

blightsteel myr in ancient history

[solemn topaz]

sorry its not called blightsteel

[sudden wren]

we throw it in the bin

[solemn topaz]

Im stupid

Ichorclaw

[sudden wren]

same thing

[solemn topaz]

you touch my myrs and I stab you

look at da boi

he's perfect

[sudden wren]

into the furnace layer they go

[solemn topaz]

theres also dis boi

[sudden wren]

they'll become something better

[solemn topaz]

who is in phyrexia

[sudden wren]

yes he is

[solemn topaz]

and since phyrexia got yeeted off of the multiverse he's now basically a phyrexian myr

andl look at all those lacking colours

just 3 colourless mana

[sudden wren]

... No

[solemn topaz]

IGNORE THE ABILITY IT IS NOT REAL AND CANNOT HURT ME

[sudden wren]

being on phyrexia does not make you a phyrexian

contrary to naming schemes

[solemn topaz]

it does when its been exiled off the face of the multiverse and you are the last true Myr

[sudden wren]

(also, it's technically NEW phyrexia)

[solemn topaz]

especially when that place is COATED in oil

[sudden wren]

$10 says hes actually on zhalfir with the mirrans

[solemn topaz]

yes because the previous Phyrexia ALSO got yeeted off the face of the multiverse

[solemn topaz]

Ill give you 1 snom if this is correct.

one big snom

[sudden wren]

bet

[solemn topaz]

I mean what Myr would ABANDON THEIR DUTY and LEAVE PHYREXIA

Myrs were a workforce and a fighting force that battled Phyrexia endlessly

[sudden wren]

also, again
-aggressively points at all the uncompleated people on new phyrexia-

[solemn topaz]

we dont talk about hte statistical errors

[sudden wren]

STATISTICAL ERRORS?!?!

My Guy, we had a full FIGHTING FORCE of uncompleat rebels

[solemn topaz]

when SOMEHOW. FOR SOME REASON. SOME RANDOM POPULATION IS IMMUNE TO OIL

THATS A STATISTICAL ERROR

[sudden wren]

thats not a statistical error, thats just an irritant

[solemn topaz]

oh you mean the rebbles who will eventually die out and become phyrexianed

[sudden wren]

well they obviously DIDN'T

[solemn topaz]

the ones who are trapped on new phyrexia are!

[sudden wren]

no

all mirrans on new phyrexia moved to zhalfir

all of them

[solemn topaz]

they did not rescue everyone

[sudden wren]

they did

everyone who wasn't compleat is now on zhalfir

p sure it was like 20~ ish

[solemn topaz]

I dont care what the writers say. you cannot save everyone.

[sudden wren]

you can when nobody leaves the group

[solemn topaz]

what do you mean 20ish

there were only 20 people left there?

[sudden wren]

there were only 20ish surviving mirrans by the end of MoM

[solemn topaz]

thats a STATISTICAL ROUNDING ERROR AT THAT POINT

I thought you were talking about actual population

not a bloody rounding error of fleshlings left

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Actually the little guy I would think maybe is lost on new phyrexia now

Memnarch was tainted by the oil and he carries his core around

So he gotta be at the source of the oil as the oil inside the Multiverse is now innert as New Phyrexia has been sealed in the Blind Eternities

[sudden wren]

hmmm

phyrexia hasn't been "sealed" int the BE

it's just shoved off far to the outskirts where zhalfir once was

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I mean that is effectively sealed

They are in the space between worlds
The space that isnt a space

[sudden wren]

every plane is in the BE

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Not really

[sudden wren]

...yes, really

BE is the space between planes

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it was stated that the BE are no physical space as such the concept of space doesnt exist in it
Planeswalkers can visualise it do help them understand what they are in but it isnt space yet distance can be a thing

The events specifically stated that Zhalfir and then New Phyrexia were phased out of the Multiverse
They are not in it but between

In a place they cant reach others on their own

And the aftermath is even weirder

Due to the shift some other stuff happned

Mirrodin's five suns now orbit Zhalfir, and the Mirran survivors were taken in as refugees, while the Capennan angels who had taken the fight to New Phyrexia were trapped there.

The phase switch had the consequence that Mirrodins former 5 suns are now around Zhalfir which indicates that the suns are not actually on the plane itself

But maybe celestial bodies inside the BE

[indigo torrent]

White border cards are worth a lot yeah?

[solemn topaz]

Can be*

Most aren’t

If you wanna look up price data download the “dragon shield” app

[indigo torrent]

Im using he delivery lance one

It listed this as worth 80 and wanted to check here

[solemn topaz]

what was the pack that came from?

[indigo torrent]

No idea

It was a bunch of cards in a cardboard box I bought 10 years ago

[solemn topaz]

oh

[indigo torrent]

Yeah

Hence why I'm asking

[solemn topaz]

hm

alright Im tryin to do some sluthin

alright best i can tell thats a 5thh edition Disenchant which makes it worth..... about 34 cents

at best

closer to 28

[indigo torrent]

Ah thanks

Darn

[solemn topaz]

happy to help

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Also in general Disenchant is worth nothing

And it is 5 th edition as that had no edition symbol on it

With that art and missing flavour text

[solemn topaz]

I mean, I own random 3 mana counterspells that are worth 5 bucks cause theyre shiny even though theyre bulk commons

shininess is great for value

just a question of can I get a bigger fool to take them

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Foils are a different thing altoghether

[solemn topaz]

are they though?

its the same card just more prone to damage

[visual patrol]

yes

Tempered Steel Full art Promo card

Non foil : about 50 cent

Foil currently at 5 , was at 10 in Jan

[solemn topaz]

I AM GOING TO STRANGLE WHOEVER KEEPS FUTSING WITH MY INTERNET

why, does my ETHERNET CONNECTION, keep RANDOMLY DYING, and NOBODY ELSES IN THIS HOUSE IS

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Though the card market has done my beloved Blight dragon dirty

[solemn topaz]

they've done most of my favorite cards dirty

[visual patrol]

though

[solemn topaz]

for some reason they want a foil Huatli radiant champion for like 15 bucks. this card is garbage. she's win more through and through.

[visual patrol]

His alt art is awersome and about 50 bucks atm

[solemn topaz]

why in gods name would anyone ever run Huatli Radiant Champoin

what purpose does she serve

other Huatlis? theyre good. HER?

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Selesnya

Push tokens

got 7 critters out ?
Thats a +7/+7 on one of them

[solemn topaz]

okay but if you have enoughh tokens to make her good, then you are already winning fairly well or a handful of steps away from winning

Huatli will not get you to winning if you werent already

her whole schtick is win more

[visual patrol]

A commander is there to support

sometimes not at all and just provide colour identity with a hint of usefull

[solemn topaz]

fair enough I guess?

idk

her and a few other cards Ive got I just dont see a use for them but they make for great trade fodder

[visual patrol]

also Foil

[solemn topaz]

does she have purpose? yes.

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thats it

[solemn topaz]

does she have purpose for me? no.

[visual patrol]

non foil is 2 cents

[solemn topaz]

yeah the weird shinyness does a lot

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We are Magic players