Magic The Gathering

[sudden wren]

mkay

[solemn topaz]

look. Ill keep them in mind

[sudden wren]

if you're running sultai asc, are you also running enhanced surveillance?

[solemn topaz]

Zhu, I dont have sultai asc yet

its under the "considering"

[sudden wren]

i said IF

[solemn topaz]

oh

[sudden wren]

cue Project Moon Player joke

[solemn topaz]

sultai isn't surveil

[sudden wren]

it is surveil

it was errated

[solemn topaz]

OH COME ON

I MEAN WHY EVEN BOTHER READING THE CARD ANYMORE

[sudden wren]

hey, this means it combos with surveil cards!

[solemn topaz]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

no I was not considering enhanced surveilence

it would work with (if SA got into the deck) 2 cards

which isn't exactly the best thing to have as a combo piece

its good

its handy

it doesnt work well in the deck in its current state

[sudden wren]

you're not running enough surveil if you're looking to selectively mill

[solemn topaz]

...... I have sources other than surveil

[sudden wren]

hmmmmm

how easy is getting 15 cards in your graveyard? :]

[solemn topaz]

fairly

depends on what I get

[sudden wren]

this could be handy to you then, if you so choose

[solemn topaz]

Zhu. Ill consider it.

[sudden wren]

get to double up on nonlegendary creatures

[solemn topaz]

also given the original wording SA REALLY shouldnt be surveil

given that you first mill the top 2

they become public information

then you can return any number

thats not surveil last I checked

surveil is YOU look

very different

I dont think that should have been erattaed

[sudden wren]

it
never said you mill

it always said LOOK

[solemn topaz]

oh so it did

[sudden wren]

first printing of sultai ascendency

again
PM Reading Moment

[solemn topaz]

oh go to hell

[sudden wren]

;P

[solemn topaz]

its got small text

I wear glasses

[sudden wren]

XD

i wear glasses too

[solemn topaz]

THUS MY EXCUSE IS VALIDATED

HA

HAHA

HA

[sudden wren]

not really

if im wearing glasses, and you're wearing glasses, how am I reading these cards better than you?

also, i love surveiling 5 for 2 mana

:]

[solemn topaz]

anywho

the deck needs testing

[sudden wren]

test it

[solemn topaz]

I dont have the final 2 cards yet

[sudden wren]

damn

Hmmmmm

man, i love (hate) avabruck caretaker

it's an aggressively win-more card that really does just boost werewolves status in strength

also, flashback-selfmill synergy, my beloved

[solemn topaz]

do self mill from crimson vow

[sudden wren]

I've done both in one

Slogurk

[solemn topaz]

I see

commit more self mill

[sudden wren]

He is best ooze friend

[sudden wren]

I mean I can certainly try

I will say, people don't like day/night

[sudden wren]

idk why, but this is one of my aesthetically favorite Skaabs from innistrad

[solemn topaz]

No. We don’t.

[sudden wren]

i like it though

easier to streamline werewolf stuff

[solemn topaz]

Zhu, it requires that you track something EXTREMELY specific across the entirety of the game from the MOMENT a single card is played that has anything to do with the mechanic

there is no reason they had to make it so complicjated

even the INITIATIVE was better than that

and I HATE the initiative

[sudden wren]

mhm

i still think it's good to have it keyworded like so

[solemn topaz]

I think, they should have just been flip cards.

[sudden wren]

allows for more creative designs that can branch off

[sudden wren]

they are already flip cards though

[solemn topaz]

yeah

and htey should have stayed, as just flip cards.

not this day night flip track the spells cast or not cast and then maybe it flips nonsense

[sudden wren]

both old and new werewolves are transforming permanents
the conditionals for transforming have just changed

[solemn topaz]

have certain cards set the time of day, have other cards react.

thats all they had to do

and instead they made it so much more complicated

[sudden wren]

i mean

it works very similar to how old werewolves worked

[solemn topaz]

and I didnt like them then

[sudden wren]

well i'm sorry to hear that then

i like day/night

[solemn topaz]

thats lovely

[sudden wren]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8027424/the_persistence

this seems like it'll do nicely

anyways, limbus time

[solemn topaz]

Magic is uno compatible.

https://youtu.be/cykXr9knh54?si=3gG__8Mlq12VKX0c

[sudden wren]

oh no

[sudden wren]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8055894/mother_natures_vengence

the deck is not what you think it is

[visual patrol]

That moment in commander when you need 1 D10 to count the counters on a card

In order to count a tripple digit count

Exponential growth is scary

[sudden wren]

indeed

[visual patrol]

Even scarier if it is a indestructible 194/194 Commander with trample

[solemn topaz]

I bounce it to hand.

[steep quartz]

And I thought my unhinged deck that played all 5 domini was complicated.

(Namely, the deck is built entirely around every card synergizing with at least two of the four nongreen phyrexian dominus cards. Green works with literally all creatures, so it doesn't count)

[solemn topaz]

to solve an argument I had to actually read the magic rules

I read but 3 sections: Casting Spells, Handling Illegal Actions, and "Numbers and Symbols"

my brain now hurts.

whatever you do

however you can

do not read the actual rulebook of magic

please

[sudden wren]

-has had to read through it so I can make points in magic games with extended family-

[solemn topaz]

welp. thats..... Im so sorry.

[sudden wren]

They like to argue about how things work
Like how I'm not supposed to be able to do stuff on their end steps (I can)

[solemn topaz]

which you can

if you have instant speed you can do things at any time as long as you get priority

which because its an end step bada bing bada boom

[slate olive]

"If it doesn't specify a turn, then it can happen whenever" is the near universal rule of thumb with any trading card game.

[sudden wren]

Not with my family

They want factual rules stuff

[solemn topaz]

It also depends on the speed of the spell but yes.

[visual patrol]

Also wether you have priority ir not and can actually react to whatever is happening

For that matter Arena is actually great to learn with

as it auto handels priority ping pong

[visual patrol]

noooooooo

Missed that

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/algenpfleger/johannes-voss-2024-sparkly-token-collection?ref=4rkhje

One of the official MTG Artist made their own token series

There was also one for you @solemn topaz

[sudden wren]

I want that sliver token

They look so elegant

[solemn topaz]

No! No slivers!

[sudden wren]

but yes

they're so prettyyy

now he should make a shrine token

[visual patrol]

There were

Voss was the Artist that made the Go-Shintai Shrines

https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/044/285/471/dbee2e4c1ba964dc3fc0bd63d16cbc07_original.JPG?fit=scale-down&origin=ugc&q=92&width=680&sig=tOy%2FP0k1EhLCj8z948cFeLsUYggRFWRBm3aM1TCDCoI%3D

https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/044/285/463/5c6a5d4fa66d4ff501edb19ac231b591_original.JPG?fit=scale-down&origin=ugc&q=92&width=680&sig=aSmD8oub%2BXbG%2FDS8aoK2O%2BEuHcmfW1H%2Brd8dr3RUasg%3D

https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/044/285/469/e0a826313c050260acbf200b8f0f1ea3_original.JPG?fit=scale-down&origin=ugc&q=92&width=680&sig=eAdkDnlz%2B96K%2FqFl4dGY3knwZt1bbIxug2oKJhVWAuU%3D

https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/044/285/477/9415c265b0e98848874514a3bbaafc2c_original.JPG?fit=scale-down&origin=ugc&q=92&width=680&sig=eeyMMIRxogdmtO4j4prA97UMGY3XBUibaKW99zNCS5k%3D

https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/044/285/485/997a4bb48fb8e2a001aec5153f3e2771_original.JPG?fit=scale-down&origin=ugc&q=92&width=680&sig=zT2Y7K4ZR9luBo9%2FFOTMxphR%2F%2BYMCeVwSDbwbd7VYik%3D

[sudden wren]

ohoooooooooooh

i really like the shrine token :D

[visual patrol]

There were 27 different token

Wurmcoil Engine got one as well

https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/044/285/506/6a4eed51399f166c494ece05fa9592ed_original.gif?fit=scale-down&origin=ugc&q=92&width=680&sig=EwARsCqIANYxJ%2F8nzPfbGR7ztVAFj2oFN8ZJwvXxi4g%3D

One Lifelink one Deathtouch

The mix of the Tech/Fantasy anime token and the more realism ones are great

[solemn topaz]

These are all so awesome.

[visual patrol]

kek

As usual the editor loves to joke around

[visual patrol]

ohhhhh

just saw the Birds of Paradise from the LotR set

preeety

[solemn topaz]

god damn thats pretty

[visual patrol]

Oh my

I just got how meta the Shadowfax card is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qNqokMjp28

"Run Shadowfax , show us the meaning of haste"

The Card DOES show us the meaning of Haste

This little meta joke went over my head for so long

This is the first card in a while to explain haste again

[slate olive]

The best part here is it's not even specifically horses for his second ability. It's any creature card weaker than 4 power.

[solemn topaz]

god damn.

[solemn topaz]

oh my god.

[solemn topaz]

and you know people are building voltron decks around Shadowfax to cheat out stuff like blightsteel colosus

[sudden wren]

gurm, perceving glory:

[visual patrol]

Flavour to the max

[solemn topaz]

Im telling you

[sudden wren]

of course they are

did you expect anything less of degenerates?

[solemn topaz]

I expected that maybe this time they'd do something more creative

[sudden wren]

nope

blightsteel is an easy wincon

[visual patrol]

Nah , straight to the point

[sudden wren]

why would they go for something that is actually flavorful/fun?

[solemn topaz]

becuase flavor is fun

[sudden wren]

yea, but
blightsteel wins games

and to some, winning games is MORE fun

[solemn topaz]

yeah I dont like playing with those people

that put Mana Crypt in their decks.

I dont like playing against people who have one card worth more than 90% of my deck put together

[sudden wren]

same
the only person i play with that is close to being like that just runs Good Stuff piles, pretty much

[slate olive]

So you hate people who have Black Lotus? :P

[solemn topaz]

..... yes.

[sudden wren]

i don't have a problem with someone owning a black lotus
i have a problem when those people just play to win

[solemn topaz]

if you have black lotus, the hell are you doing in a casual wednesday night commander game.

[solemn topaz]

by have I was specifically talking about using it in their deck.

[sudden wren]

i figured

[slate olive]

Showing off that they have Black Lotus, obviously.

[sudden wren]

im still gonna make my statement though

[solemn topaz]

....... fair

[sudden wren]

also, isn't black lotus banned?

[solemn topaz]

nope

[sudden wren]

-incorrect buzzer-

[solemn topaz]

oh no apparently it is

weird

[slate olive]

Restricted in Vintage. Ergo not banned.

[solemn topaz]

so are the moxes

[sudden wren]

we were talking about commander

[visual patrol]

We dont do Vintage here

[solemn topaz]

Ancestral Recall
Balance
Biorhythm
Black Lotus
Braids, Cabal Minion
Chaos Orb
Coalition Victory
Channel
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Erayo, Soratami Ascendant
Falling Star
Fastbond
Flash
Gifts Ungiven
Golos, Tireless Pilgrim
Griselbrand
Hullbreacher
Iona, Shield of Emeria
Karakas
Leovold, Emissary of Trest
Library of Alexandria
Limited Resources
Lutri, the Spellchaser
Mox Emerald
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Mox Ruby
Mox Sapphire
Panoptic Mirror
Paradox Engine
Primeval Titan
Prophet of Kruphix
Recurring Nightmare
Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
Shahrazad
Sundering Titan
Sway of the Stars
Sylvan Primordial
Time Vault
Time Walk
Tinker
Tolarian Academy
Trade Secrets
Upheaval
Yawgmoth's Bargain

thats the full commander banlist

oh also conspericies

and antes

but I beleive those are banned in all formats

oh also racially or cultrually insensitive cards

[sudden wren]

man, we need a new golos that ISNT just broken

[visual patrol]

hmmmmm

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/7/a/7aa01ab4-26b0-49dc-8514-b3850d355a21.jpg?1675905609
Now I want to make a Myr Tribal again

[sudden wren]

i built a myr tribal deck

[visual patrol]

All Colours Myr Commander is a thing after all

[sudden wren]

my tribal can get out of hand if you abuse it

cough unwinding clock
cough untap shenanigans
COUGH

[solemn topaz]

man now I really wanna make myr tribal

[visual patrol]

Unwind + Galvanizer

[solemn topaz]

I didnt even know that myr existed

[sudden wren]

oh yeah

[solemn topaz]

Ive already got a bunch of good myrs

and myr turbine.

and DSF

[sudden wren]

they "reprinted" black lotus for Alchemy

[visual patrol]

I mean

[visual patrol]

there is also the commander allowed Lotus variant

[sudden wren]

you mean jeweled lotus?

[visual patrol]

Yeah

[solemn topaz]

you mean lotus pettal?

pettel?

[visual patrol]

sitting at 80+ bucks atm

[solemn topaz]

whatever

[solemn topaz]

oh I see

[visual patrol]

Still massive ramp

[solemn topaz]

80 bones.....

hm

yeah

[sudden wren]

lotus petal is only a third the strength of the other lotus's

[solemn topaz]

yeah but its a legal lotus

[sudden wren]

also, lovely meta quote there

[solemn topaz]

pffft

[visual patrol]

yeah

[solemn topaz]

I mean my favorite quote still remains on Runeclaw Bear

[sudden wren]

i love tearing my cards up (sarcastic)

[solemn topaz]

god I hate the tear upp cards

[sudden wren]

reminds me
why did people start tearing a black lotus up again?

oh yeah, i forgot we got a bunch of errata with MH3

Tribal - Kindred
Totem Armor - Umbra Armor
Cephalid - Octopus
Viashino - Lizard
Naga - Snake

[visual patrol]

yeah

The Viashino and Naga ones can be nasty now

Since they turned to Lizard and Snakes

[sudden wren]

:]

patronage time

[solemn topaz]

okay, Im gonna sound insensitive.... what was the issue with Totem Armor.

the others I can kinda get

[sudden wren]

WOTC probably thought it sounded insenstive to some cultures

[solemn topaz]

alright

fair enough

[sudden wren]

same deal with Tribal

[solemn topaz]

look when I play my spider umbra Im still gonna call it totem armour not to be insensitive, but thats just because whats written on the card and I cant code switch that fast

I mean Tribal I get

kinda

Cephalid?

[sudden wren]

cephalids were octopus people, pretty much

[solemn topaz]

..... I.... you know what Im just gonna stop asking questions

[sudden wren]

-shrug-

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

but hey, this means that cephalids now work with runo stromkirk

[steep quartz]

With regards to Totem Armor and Tribal becoming umbra armor and kindred/typal (depending on contexts), it's not just that Wizards "thought" it sounded insensitive. They had cultural consultants come in and determined that the use of that language was enough of a sensitivity issue that it would be better to change it.

[solemn topaz]

Understood

[sudden wren]

tandemly related to conversation in #warframe
I need to get to an LGS so I can buy myself the eldrazi precon

[solemn topaz]

Go do that

[sudden wren]

i need to get there first

[solemn topaz]

Go do that faster

[sudden wren]

i can't

[solemn topaz]

shame

[sudden wren]

indeed

[solemn topaz]

My Muldrotha deck finally finally popped off in a grind of a game that lasted 2.5 hours….. I lost to a giant dragon getting unblockaboe and doing 40 damage in a single attack.

Honestly? Some of the most fun I’ve had in weeks.

Like yeah my brain started just not working by the end but also like….. it was fun and silly and stupid.

[solemn topaz]

Come on. Right there

[fleet cargo]

Fair enough

Sometimes I forget

[sudden wren]

i don't know why

but the most frustrating thing is your opponent drawing JUST what they needed to win the game

just a SINGULAR card

[solemn topaz]

that sounds like a poorly constructed deck that its entire gameplan hinges on one card

[sudden wren]

are you talking about me or them?

[visual patrol]

Top decking is a normal thing

[sudden wren]

yeah, but it is frustrating just a touch

guy had an empty hand, i was on the back pedal
i had a creature out that COULD have kept me alive if it survived to my next turn
guy drew a lightning bolt and killed it

[solemn topaz]

ooohhhh THATS what you meant

I thought you meant his deck was almost a complete cripple until they drew one specific card and completely popped off

[sudden wren]

No

[steep quartz]

Also, sometimes it's not their deck that hinges on one card, but that your deck is very vulnerable to a certain thing, which gives them the opening to go off and win the game.

For example, board wipes versus most going wide strategies.

[solemn topaz]

Fair

[sudden wren]

this is true

[solemn topaz]

my decks have a cripiling weakness called "everyone countering everything I have and if they dont counter it, blowing it up"

[sudden wren]

a friend of mine made a deck thats theme is just all the cards say "this can't be countered"

[solemn topaz]

please tell me it uses Banefire

[sudden wren]

it might

funny tip
bouncing a spell to hand is not countering it

[solemn topaz]

its fireball but if X is 5+ it cant be countered

[sudden wren]

so repreive is good

[solemn topaz]

use unsummon

[sudden wren]

unsummon only works if its on the feild (and only creatures iirc)

repreive says any spell on the stack

[solemn topaz]

annoying

[sudden wren]

ye

here we are

[solemn topaz]

well now thats EXTREMELY RUDE

YOU GET TO DRAW A CARD OFF OF IT?

well this is why we have split second

[sudden wren]

XD

[visual patrol]

Just mono white things

[solemn topaz]

I just..... like if your deck gains that much life where is your 40hp ram.

like come on

its an easy win con

[visual patrol]

The win con you can see down left

little light paws commander with crap load enchants and auras

dealing mad commander dmg

with protection against creatures, totem armor and all sorts of buffs

[sudden wren]

isn't Aetherflux 50 hp?

[visual patrol]

yes

[solemn topaz]

...... not Aetherflux

you rubes.

THIS

an alt win condition

that should be in every life gain commander white deck.

you are gaining life. you are building a board state, you will have over 40 life, thus, FELIDAR SOVEREIGN

is aetherflux debatably better? probably

but Felidar go brrrt

[steep quartz]

It's also way too easy and kind of unfun to play against.

[solemn topaz]

..........

but

but its the best monowhite life gain win con

optimization

wheres that quote

"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game."

[sudden wren]

yeah, but also

it's still unfun and just like...
beh

like, run it if you want, but don't expect me to play against you if thats how you wanna go

it's litterally just an instant win if you either don't know them below 40 or remove the creature

and you're in white, so they just gotta tef pro after playing it

[solemn topaz]

pretty much

completely fair and balanced.

mhm.

horrifically unfun to play against. little to no counters. good times

[sudden wren]

if you wanna play super optimized, prepare to not have fun people to play against

[solemn topaz]

yeah

I know

[visual patrol]

Also

Sometimes you build a deck around a theme

This case it was light paws and this fella as a companion

Note the restriction

Meaning enchantment was the type shared

[sudden wren]

oh boy

but how do you cast him then?

[solemn topaz]

but thats no longer mono white

[solemn topaz]

"just mono white things"

that ooze right there is not mono white.

when we get outside of mono white all sorts of things can take priority over an instant win condition inside of a life gain deck

[sudden wren]

i mean, they can't cast it

unless there is some sort of ruling that says companions count as commander ID

[solemn topaz]

okay but if they..... if you cant cast the companion..... then what was the point.....

[sudden wren]

-shrug-

deck restriction?

[solemn topaz]

I highly doubt that

I just think Cryo isnt giving us the full picture

[sudden wren]

i mean, they can't have anything that isn't white

and if its not a land, it HAS to be an enchantment in the deck

[solemn topaz]

yeah

or well

be partly enchantment

[sudden wren]

true

every card has to either have enchantment in the type or be a land

[solemn topaz]

anywho

its a weird restriction to be in, but not hte worst for white, its just I doubt the deck was mono white if you are playing that as part of your deck because if its part of your deck, and you have the restriction, why not use it properly

I digress

[sudden wren]

oh yeah, i finished my obeka deck

[solemn topaz]

nice

[sudden wren]

bullying sparky is fun :D

hardest part is getting the nessecary lands

pretty simple though
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7698263/splitting_the_timeline

get mimicry on obeka, beat face, make more obeka, keep beating face

[solemn topaz]

interesting.....

seems just very..... I mean..... its interesting

but confusing

[sudden wren]

how confusing?

[solemn topaz]

extra upkeeps, I know what that does due to second sun but so is that just..... I mean so basicaly you turn your second main phase into a new main phase 1 essentially?

[sudden wren]

no

[solemn topaz]

I get you dont get a new combat

[sudden wren]

upkeep step does not untap your lands and draw you cards

[solemn topaz]

Im trying to simplify

oh

oh what

wait upkeep

[sudden wren]

upkeep is a step in the beginning phase

[solemn topaz]

how the hell do extra upkeeps help you

[sudden wren]

it goes untap->upkeep->draw

[solemn topaz]

yes I know

[sudden wren]

any card that says "at the beginning of your upkeep" effects will trigger

phyrexian arena is an example

[solemn topaz]

so you just.... get a bunch of upkeeps, get 13 cards in hand, and win?

thats the play?

[sudden wren]

no

the other option is you just kill your opponent

with, you know, your million obeka's

[solemn topaz]

I never list "kill the opponent" as a win con

[sudden wren]

pfft

[solemn topaz]

you know why Zhu?

because thats what EVERYONE CAN DO

[sudden wren]

unfortunate considering thats how white weenies usually win

i mean, it IS the main play

i make a bunch of angry orc women and punch you into next week

the original obeka just gets stronger cause mirror box says she gets +1/+1 for each copy

[solemn topaz]

thats lovely

I use 100 handed one

[sudden wren]

she has menace

[solemn topaz]

I use 2 hundred handed ones.

[sudden wren]

you need a second creature

she also has flying+lifelink from mask of griselbrand

[solemn topaz]

points at spidersilk armour\

[sudden wren]

okay
hundred handed one dies

what now?

[solemn topaz]

............

idk

I just lived another turn

get wrecked

nerd

[sudden wren]

i also give her trample+first strike with hexgold halberd

[solemn topaz]

interesting

I see

[sudden wren]

your hundred handed one only has 5 health, 8 if monstrous

even if you live the first hit, i'm still drawing plenty of cards and creating MORE obeka

oh wait

hundred handed only can block 100 if it's monstrous

funny

[solemn topaz]

its got only 100 hands what do you want from it

[sudden wren]

you'd need to pay a total of 10 mana to make it fully realized

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

-shrug-

i might get this deck in paper, along with my boros mirran deck and my wubrg only shrines deck

you ever accidentally reach your alternate wincon?

[sudden wren]

i've had a thought about making more custom MTG cards

[visual patrol]

Mixed things up

other deck had the ooze

not the lighg paws

[solemn topaz]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that makes

a lot more sense

[solemn topaz]

so I bit the bullet and preordered some bloomburrow. so thats gonna be exicting in a couple months

well a month and a bit

[sudden wren]

enjoy that

i'm going delayed birthday shopping with family tomorrow

[solemn topaz]

I like cute lil animals doing unspeakable violence

[solemn topaz]

have fun!

[sudden wren]

i will try to
going to hit up magic stores

[sudden wren]

Wanna hear a dumb story I came up with while browsing the cards of a precon?

[solemn topaz]

sure why not

[sudden wren]

So I was browsing the Coven Counters deck in paper, a deck focused around the innistrad coven mechanic and +1/+1 counters, with a subtheme of human tribal

[solemn topaz]

I see

[sudden wren]

In this deck, I found a growth spasm

[solemn topaz]

uhuh

growth sasm?

[sudden wren]

Yeah

[solemn topaz]

ohhhh renamed cultivate yeah

[sudden wren]

It's mana ramp and creates a 0/1 eldrazi spawn

[solemn topaz]

solid sorcery yeah

[solemn topaz]

this is just how my brain catagorizes cards dont..... dont ask too many questions

another catagory is "how much like kicker is it"

[sudden wren]

My idea came as
"What if an infantile eldrazi somehow found itself on innistrad, and someone decided to raise it?"

[solemn topaz]

uhoh

wait

why would we need an infant?

we have emerkul in the moon

who wanted to be there

[sudden wren]

Because the spawn is...a spawn

[solemn topaz]

I see

I dont get it

[sudden wren]

They are the essential equivalent to infants

[solemn topaz]

right yeah

I get that

but

[sudden wren]

But?

[solemn topaz]

I think Im just too tired to understand

[sudden wren]

Eh

[solemn topaz]

you clearly have some creative idea, and Im just not getting it

[sudden wren]

Well that was the idea, so...:^

Ima go back to wrapping up a warframe task

[solemn topaz]

aight

have fun

[sudden wren]

Morning

[slate olive]

https://x.com/magiccastlespod/status/1805522792122618345

The Magic Castles Podcast 🔜 MagicCon Amsterdam 🏰 (@magiccastlespod)...

MTG Assassin's Creed has confirmed that the UK is a Swamp

based af

Twitter · Jun 25, 2024, 8:45 AM

[solemn topaz]

good times

[cunning kelp]

It feels like a swamp right now, that's for sure

[sudden wren]

none of the card stores in my area had the eldrazi precon

they were all sold out

looks like I'm going to amazon

i did make a list for how I want it to eventually look in paper though
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8181056/eldrazi_incursion_refined

[solemn topaz]

Good ol Jeff. He’s got everything

[sudden wren]

im going to lose my mind trying to get a bulk order...

hey Gurm, what site do you buy your cards from, when you do buy cards?

[solemn topaz]

TCG player

[sudden wren]

okay

im trying that

but whenever i optimize, it TAKES CARDS OUT OF MY CART

you know what

im gonna WAIT till i get back home and im gonna filter through my collection for what i already own

gurm, i need your thoughts on something

should I forget trying to put Zhulodok in this deck?

he's good, but he'se also $32, and if i replace him, i'm replacing him with this

[solemn topaz]

Weird.

It shouldn’t do that

[sudden wren]

yeah

i watch the items in my card go from 75 to 71 or 72

[solemn topaz]

Oh I figured it out!

So if it can’t get you what you want via optimization it just removes it from cart

[sudden wren]

thats

so dumb imo

[solemn topaz]

Yup!

I mean you can still use it, just remember what you had in your cart and optimize it yourself

[sudden wren]

yeah...

well, i'll do that after i get home next week

gonna cut down the list of what I need by going through my collection for what I already have

[solemn topaz]

good luck

[sudden wren]

thank you

im probably gonna have like 90% of the land base already covered (i only might need the eldrazi specific stuf eg. Eldrazi Temple, Wastes), and have probably a few of the other stuff from BFZ

maybe a good chunk of stuff from OGW

[sudden wren]

can I post custom cards here?
just asking for future reference

[solemn topaz]

I dont see why not as long as you say they are as such

[sudden wren]

alright, just wanted to double check

[solemn topaz]

👍

[sudden wren]

well, i tried out the deck in an online game

i lost to tokens and had a very late start

but i had fun

theres a satisfying feeling to doubling up

[solemn topaz]

Nice

[visual patrol]

I think today I wanna build some arena commander decks

[sudden wren]

So some brawl decks?

[visual patrol]

yeah

opened up all my claims and then 16 MH3 packs

found some thing that made gears spin

Inistrad always gave me wonderful ideas

A copy deck

in green

I saw some more cards for that

but green as i parasites and mimics and not illusions

I like the flavour of that

[solemn topaz]

well now thats an interesting delirium effect

thats instant speed no?

[visual patrol]

and its only 4 types

[solemn topaz]

yeah.

[visual patrol]

Activated ability bab

[solemn topaz]

stick something big and huge like oh I dont know

blightsteel

become

swing

kill

[visual patrol]

Make it a nasty surprise blocker or something for defense

[sudden wren]

Is blightsteel on arena?

[visual patrol]

Seems so

[sudden wren]

Oh boy

Surprised I haven't seen it in historic

[solemn topaz]

I have no idea Im almost always thinking in real world cards in commander

[sudden wren]

Anyways
Uhh...if you wanna do that route, go ahead
Kind of meh but it could win you games

[sudden wren]

I know, don't worry

[visual patrol]

Nooo

no Steel colosus

The search on mobile is a bit odd

[solemn topaz]

oh okie

[visual patrol]

hmmm
Phone is kinda annoying to make a deck in Arena

Gonna make this when I am back home

Looking at some green/blue copy token shananigans

Copying my enchants , creatures and stuff

with Oko , Ringleader as Commander

[visual patrol]

hmmmm

I am debating to switch Oko

for Go-shintai of life

[sudden wren]

why to wubrg?

[visual patrol]

copy enchantment shrines shenanigans

[sudden wren]

oh

[visual patrol]

Yeah

[sudden wren]

hissssssssssssssss

[visual patrol]

Make all shrines

[sudden wren]

shrines are not a creature type

so no

[visual patrol]

Okay shrines are confusing

they are creatures but have no creature type

[sudden wren]

yes

well, no

shrines are an enchantment type

but you are correct, shrine-creatures have no creature type

if you want something to be typed as shrine, you need special effects of some kind

or just have it be a copy of a shrine

[visual patrol]

I will just stick with shrine

[sudden wren]

huh?

[sudden wren]

built another standard deck, this time for Ixalan
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8191763/malamet_tactics

[solemn topaz]

coudl you declare changling as the creature type?

changelings are all creature types no?

or is there a creature type of changeling

and then a keyword for channgelings

[slate olive]

If there's a Creature Type of Changeling and it's that that makes them all Creature types, then you could declare Changeling.
If it's a keyword, though, that does it, then you would not get the benefit.

[solemn topaz]

yeah thats what I dont quite know

okay

so

I was right

there is the Changling CREATURE TYPE, and changeling the keyword

the issue is the keyword is on most of the changeling creatures

[slate olive]

Are there examples of ones that lack the keyword?

[solemn topaz]

Hero. I have no bloody idea

all I know is that its a keyword and a creature type, but they keyword does not have to be associated with the creature type

its just a stupid naming sense

[sudden wren]

changling is an ability that says the creature has all creature types

shapeshifter is the typical creature type for changelings

changeling itself is not a creature typed

[solemn topaz]

I swear..... god damnit mandella

[sudden wren]

also, here

[solemn topaz]

neat

anyways, Im finding mandella

that man is out there

and he deserves it

[sudden wren]

example :]

there's 4 different types of shaepshifters in magic though

1. Changlings
2. Tribal Synergy
3. Copies
4. Adaptables

[sudden wren]

someone told me that buying the eldrazi precona nd then buying the cards I want is cheaper than just buying all the cards I want

i find this inccorect
am I wrong in that venture?

[fleet cargo]

id have to chace card prices so it would depend

[solemn topaz]

it depends.

[sudden wren]

buying the precon is between $120 and $140

[solemn topaz]

right

+tax

[sudden wren]

yea

so buying cards ONTOP of that increases the price further

im already removing cards FROM the precon to replace

[solemn topaz]

so lets presume.... 10% cause why not. so thats 154 at most for the whole precon

which gets you the cards you want, + a decent land base, +extra cards you might use later

then you buy the stragglers you need after that

[sudden wren]

i dont like the landbase in the precon

its all painlands

[solemn topaz]

youre kidding me

whats the precon deck list

[sudden wren]

one mo

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/modern-horizons-3-commander-decklists

scroll down to eldrazi incursion

i love taking 1 damage whenever I want colored mana

also
sue me, im cutting out morphon

[solemn topaz]

oh god

thats

a horrific mana base

thats like actually awful

just buy the cards you want

half the reason you buy a commander precon is the mana base

cause typically those are pretty good

[sudden wren]

yeah

my new base is likely worse, but like

[solemn topaz]

saving money

[sudden wren]

im not paying 20+ per dual land

[solemn topaz]

yeah

[sudden wren]

it's 5 of each basic (including wastes), so 30 basics + 5 nonbasics (command tower, reliquary, tomb of spirit dragon, eldrazi temple, and exotic orchard)

if i was rich, i'd switch exotic for eye of ugin, but uhhh

yeah, $80+ card is an $80+ card

and like
morphon is a cheapskate with that and i think morphon is cringe

give me my colored pips

[solemn topaz]

I saw. orchard is one of the worst cards Ive seen as a commander lands

just literally

play something in your own colours

most of the time unless you are a 5 colour deck

you are tapping for a colourless

and not even a true colourless

[sudden wren]

you can't tap exotic for colorless sadly

but i mean, it serves as A land

[solemn topaz]

thats what I meant by not true colourless

[sudden wren]

yeah, fair

[solemn topaz]

its just..... blech

Id run a random snow mountain instead inside of a blue black deck rather than that.

why a snow mountain? cause they pretty.

[sudden wren]

jesus

im going through all my cards and i have SO MANY BLISTERPODS

[sudden wren]

ignoring that that is an illegal action?

[solemn topaz]

no it isnt

lands arent coloured

its STUPID

it aint illegal

[sudden wren]

you can't run lands that tap for out of your colorpool unless it says "taps for any color"

[solemn topaz]

really?

hm

[sudden wren]

afaik, yeah

[solemn topaz]

doesnt honestly effect me

and doesnt really matter

but my point remains

[sudden wren]

Mountain CI is red, so ye

[solemn topaz]

Id rather take an illegal game action (if you are remembering correctly and I trust you) than run orchard in a deck

huh

neat

oh I KNOW what I was getting confused with

there are lands that tap and sac for a certain named land

[sudden wren]

hey gurm, you wanna see a 4 mana 1/1?

[solemn topaz]

and those dont have a colour identity

[sudden wren]

oh, yeah, those you can play

[solemn topaz]

you wanna see a 5 mana 1/1?

[fleet cargo]

that land rule makes dominion decks so annoying

i wish they could be good in commander

[sudden wren]

you mean Domain?

[fleet cargo]

thats it

[sudden wren]

yeeaaah

[solemn topaz]

thats a 4 mana 3/3 just split up

[sudden wren]

domain is bad in commander

[fleet cargo]

i wish it wasnt

[solemn topaz]

now this is a 5 mana 1/1

[fleet cargo]

its a cool idea

[sudden wren]

you're playing this in an artifact deck

karnstructs are 0 mana 1/1s if we're going by that logic

[solemn topaz]

no.

Im playing it as a 5 mana 1/1

to mess with you

[sudden wren]

oh

[solemn topaz]

psychological warfare babyyyyyyyyyyy

like running DSF in a deck

with no other artifacts

just to screw with people

cause you can

[sudden wren]

oh hey

i own a scute swarm

[solemn topaz]

scute swarm?

oh god

[solemn topaz]

OH JESUS

WHAT IS THAT

NO

NONONONO

EXPONENTIAL TOKEN LANDFALL?

you disgust me

[sudden wren]

so i play my 6th land, i have 2
then i have 4
then i have 8
then i have-

dw, i don't enjoy that shit

haven't built a landfall deck cause of it yet ;P

[solemn topaz]

well now I wanna make a landfall deck

landfall is real fun

I just dont have enough to work with it

[sudden wren]

know what I love?

blightbeetle

[solemn topaz]

image pls

[solemn topaz]

oh

THAT

I like

whats her name

her

and then you use the stuff that respawns with -1/-1

and then cackle as you do infinite combos

[sudden wren]

well

i just finished going through all my cards

time to adjust my buylist

you know

[solemn topaz]

Im a terrible person

yes yes

[sudden wren]

since Ulalek is wubrg, i could actually build mono or 2 color decks with him

[solemn topaz]

oh that is true

[sudden wren]

cause his pips are Colorless OR Color

[solemn topaz]

hes WUBRG but also colourless

yeah

[sudden wren]

i can build a dimir ingest deck >:]

thats a nice library you have there
into exile it goes!

no longer need to rely on non-eldrazi commanders

[solemn topaz]

NO NOT EXILE

put it in my graveyard

I like my yard

[sudden wren]

i mean

how ingest works is
i exile it, and then I put it into your graveyard when I process it

:]

it's like advanced mill, despite EVERYONE saying it isn't

it pretty much is

[solemn topaz]

that just sounds like mill with extra steps yeah

look as long as you dont play anihilator we can be friends

[sudden wren]

im sorry, this printing of this eldrazi is so pretty to me

did you know this was the face card of a UC Eldrazi 60 Card theme deck?

cool as shit imo

[solemn topaz]

well now thats just cruel

its pretty

it looks awesome

but those effects

[sudden wren]

i mean, whats wrong with the effects?

i draw a card for every creature that hits you

and I can make anything unblockable for a turn

alright, so i went from needing 100 cards to only 62

[solemn topaz]

thats good!

[solemn topaz]

I have issues with unblockables in general. mostly because I keep dying to them.

[sudden wren]

pfft

what the hell...

im buying LESS cards, why is the price INCREASING

okay, so
last time i checked TCGPlayer, it gave me prices between $140 and $120 for bulk order

lets see whats costing so much

...
TCGPlayer, why

i asked you to OPTMIZE

oh my god, all the wastes were super pricey because

fuckin

RAAAAGH

so much more reasonable

look at that, now with wastes, i can afford that with my cash

[visual patrol]

Her + Reanimate mechanic from Inistrad

[solemn topaz]

yeah that one

[visual patrol]

they if they went to the grave without a 1-/-1 token they go back to the field but get that token

if they cant get it : infinite comeback

It was interesting during standard for a bit

[solemn topaz]

and now its just a lil combo for legacy formats

[sudden wren]

i decided to take an intro deck and improve it
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8199302/twisted_reality_refined

bye bye library, hello eldrazi

[sudden wren]

hmm

hey gurm, can you help me with something?

[fleet cargo]

Scute swarm is fun I like this one a lot too

Maybe more the the ol buggy boys

Especially when paired with dollhouse

[sudden wren]

im gonna start making an eldrazi bestiary soon
would anyone want to assist?

[visual patrol]

Last March of the Ents

Eldrazi Deck needs this

[sudden wren]

Yeah, only if your playing the big guys

[visual patrol]

Big Eldrazi got dem milkshakes

brings all the boys to the yard

[sudden wren]

<.<

[solemn topaz]

Did they seriously powercreep rakshas expertise?

[solemn topaz]

Not even. It’s a floodgate. A ton of little guys can also work great. You only need one big boy out.

[sudden wren]

Hmm, Fair

[solemn topaz]

I pulled off a full blown hard cast shaman of forgotten ways in a commander game. I lost. But caused immense chaos

It was vs a life gain deck. Then went from 60+, to 3.

Shaman when ignored, and allowed to go off, is horrifying.

Sadly doesn’t effect non binary people

[sudden wren]

pfft

[visual patrol]

lol

also

biggest lie told ever i just witnessed

„I have a very mid hand“

Proceeds to play turn 1 Sol Ring into Arcane Signet into Esper Sentinel

„Mid“

„‚Mid“way up their butts already you mean XD

[sudden wren]

i mean, there are worse hands and there are better hands

[solemn topaz]

well i mean I just played against a "casual" deck this evening that was a high powered monster. casual my ass.

had like 3 different floodgates.

easily accessable, immensely powerful, floodgates

next game they swapped decks. to one that because of their commander just gave them 2 life each turn

cause you know

balance

not ot mention the guy piloting the deck was a bit of a prick

[sudden wren]

oloro?

[solemn topaz]

chair dude

yeah

oh hey

look at that

a note stating it only works when he is ON THE BATTLEFIELD

god damned bloody cheaters

that LGS is infested with the buggers. them and hyper competative assholes

I said I was never going back

and then I did

ya know I like to be trusting

and then this junk happens

[sudden wren]

Doesn't the card sat on the battlefield or command zone?

State*

[solemn topaz]

nope

it just says at the begining of your upkeep

[sudden wren]

Read bottom text line

[solemn topaz]

this card is so stupid

[sudden wren]

Welcome to Eminence

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/evolving-archenemy

Unrelated, this is cool

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

-shrug-

[solemn topaz]

power creep, I get.

but nonsense that just is ALWAYS active

with no way to interact with it

at all

[sudden wren]

It's whatever at this point

[solemn topaz]

the only way to turn it off is with idk, some pacafism variant and that requires the damned thing to be played.

[solemn topaz]

yes. and Im using my right as a human being to complain about its absolute nonsense.

[sudden wren]

I never said you couldn't

I just said that it's whatever

I'm excited to see how the bloomburrow decks shake out, as well as who the commander is for the rakdos duskmourn deck

They look cool

[solemn topaz]

anywho

I grouch at that design philosphy

[sudden wren]

Aminatou looks alot older in her new deck

[solemn topaz]

I see

do we know what the black green animal is gonna be yet?

[sudden wren]

Squirrels

[solemn topaz]

I thought red white was squirrels

[sudden wren]

No, that's mice

[solemn topaz]

or no thats mice

[sudden wren]

Here, gimme a sec

[solemn topaz]

okie

I was kinda hopin for black green snakes

[sudden wren]

Orzhov - Bats
Boros - Mouse
Gruul - Racoon
Simic - Frog
Rakdos - Lizard
Azorius - Bird
Selesnya - Rabbit
Dimir - Rat
Izzet - Otter
Golgari - Squirrel

[solemn topaz]

seriously? no snakes?

come on.

[sudden wren]

Archetypes for Bloomburrow

[sudden wren]

-shrug-

I'm excited for the trash pandas

[solemn topaz]

Ill seee what I end up liking

I dont entirely like that black green seems to be token focused. or at least that deck is.

I like my yard

[sudden wren]

I mean
Golgari always had squirrel tribal in it

[solemn topaz]

a very

tiny

fractional part

and it was almost entirely green

[sudden wren]

Chatterfang is not tiny

[solemn topaz]

one bombastic card does not make an archatype

[sudden wren]

Want to bet?

[solemn topaz]

Zhu

look into my cold, dead, emotionless profile picture, and consider.

do I honestly care in this moment.

if you are right or I am.

[sudden wren]

I mean
We're here talking, aren't we?

[solemn topaz]

no

we're typing

[sudden wren]

Okay then 👍

[visual patrol]

Best phrase in Magic:

In Response :
F^*! you

[sudden wren]

Nah, the best phrase is "Are you sure?"

Just like in DnD

[solemn topaz]

best phrase Ive found is "do it, I dare you"

[sudden wren]

Oh, here you go

Graveyard deck

[solemn topaz]

but thats not cute furry animals

thats just some random stuff

[sudden wren]

Random is not correct
It is duskmourn

[solemn topaz]

idk maybe simic will ahve some goodies for me

frogs like the yard

[sudden wren]

We'll see

[solemn topaz]

Ill get something

the yard is my friend

[sudden wren]

I won't be surprised if the graveyard stuff in the squirrel deck

[solemn topaz]

oh probably

its gulgari

the yard always finds a way

Im just more likely to buy another booster box than a precon.

[sudden wren]

You know

Usually variety is the spice of life

[solemn topaz]

yard/

yard is my friend.

recursion is best.

[sudden wren]

Tsk~

[solemn topaz]

Zhu.

look into my souless profile picture.

yes Im using this line again its a good one.

[sudden wren]

I can't, in busy looking at pretty cards

[solemn topaz]

oh okay carry on then

look into your pretty cards

[sudden wren]

XD

[solemn topaz]

and consider this: would they look prettier in your graveyard?

the answer is yes

its ALWAYS YES

TCHAIKOVSKY ALWAYS YES

[sudden wren]

The answer is yes for you
Cause they'll beat your shit in if they're not

[solemn topaz]

the yard is my friend and the realm of enternal recursion

[sudden wren]

You know what else is the realm of eternal recursion? Exile

[solemn topaz]

riftsweeper

[sudden wren]

Reminds me of a...uhh, very funny card that was spoiled

[solemn topaz]

dare I ask

[sudden wren]

It exiles EVERYONE'S library face down except for the last 6

You also draw an additional card on your upkeep

[solemn topaz]

okay

okay

elixer of imortality. any number of other similar cards.

if half my deck or more isnt in my yard

I havent done my job right

[sudden wren]

Riftsweeper also won't save these cards

[solemn topaz]

wait

face down

FACE DOWN/

YOU MONSTER