Magic The Gathering

[solemn topaz]

Emer is still in the moon. also how do you kill an eldrich god that is barely putting its hand into the pond?

oh thats why you have quotations

[sudden wren]

yeah

Kozilek and Ulamog's manifested forms were killed, but i do not believe the actual beings were properly killed

[solemn topaz]

I have a small complaint about inastrad: I hate flip cards.

[sudden wren]

XD

[solemn topaz]

that is all

[fleet cargo]

wasnt there speculation that the breach the multiverse thing potentially could have releaced either emrakul and or bolas?

never got super int othe lore

[solemn topaz]

Bolas Im fairly certain was kidnapped by his brother and is currently just in some pocket dimention somewhere getting a very long talking to?

[fleet cargo]

yeah i got that

but like the phyrexian thing opened up a door to all the places

[solemn topaz]

the mending of dominaria DID revive bolas way back when which is how he caused the events of him trying to regain pre card base planeswalker powers

oh god yeah I have no idea

thats not a me question

[fleet cargo]

fair eno0ugh

[sudden wren]

fun fact

[solemn topaz]

all I know is we're getting cute animals soonish and I want in on that.

[fleet cargo]

man i cannot type today

[sudden wren]

did you know Realmbreaker has a personality?

[solemn topaz]

whats a realmbreaker

[fleet cargo]

cause of ren?

[sudden wren]

the tree that Elesh Norn made to inavde the multiverse

[solemn topaz]

I know there are portals, I know theres the weatherlight, I know that phyrexia did something that made non planeswalkers able to planeswalk outside of using specific pieces of tech, and I know that the gremlin Tezzeret has some demented portal inside of him that can punch holes in the universe.

[sudden wren]

grown from sap of Kaldheim's world tree and phyrexian oil

[solemn topaz]

well thats neat..... so like..... is Realmbreaker still just

around?

[sudden wren]

we don't know

[solemn topaz]

what happens if I drop some OG phyrexian oil on realmbreaker

[sudden wren]

realmbreaker kinda just vanished after March of the Machine

[solemn topaz]

of course.

why wouldnt it

god damned writers

[sudden wren]

fun fact

you remember Zhalfir?

you know, teferi's home?

Wrenn used Realmbreaker to swap the location of it and new phyrexia

[solemn topaz]

one of these days Lolbit, we are going to find a plane thats just filled with all the random junk MTG lore has lost over the years and its going to be in control of some demented abominant clan of kobolds who are hyper powerful and just dominate the multiverse once they discover its existence.

[sudden wren]

the 5 mirran sun's never moved with new phyrexia though, so now they're in zhalfir

[solemn topaz]

the weird place that was locked off from planeswalking for a while and had the rhino people?

[solemn topaz]

oops.

wasn't..... werent the 5 suns like really important to Mirodin?

[sudden wren]

yes

oh yeah

all the remaining mirrans are now living in zhalfir

[solemn topaz]

weren't they the thing that let the Phyrexians get colours outside of black?

[sudden wren]

i think it was a mix of the Suns and some other stuff

[fleet cargo]

Ah yes rhe un-demention

[solemn topaz]

werent the 5 suns like..... immensely importantl ore wise. and we just..... dumpped them onto a new plane? even though that makes no sense because suns are PART OF A PLANAR EXISTENCE.

[fleet cargo]

Some messages might be duplicates sorry my pc won't even send stuff anymore

[solemn topaz]

unless it was the old phyrexian method of stealing a plane which was literally just winching it out of reality and skewering it onto phyrexia

[fleet cargo]

It's all just sitting there waiting to do stuff

[solemn topaz]

nono you've been fine

[sudden wren]

oh yeah, here we go

[fleet cargo]

wasnt it the corupted world tree

[sudden wren]

realmbreaker stuff

[fleet cargo]

They haven't loaded in yet

There's about a half dozen messages that some have pings, and I don't know when they will be posted if at all

[solemn topaz]

wait realmbreaker became something named "eight"?

whats Eight?

[fleet cargo]

It's ren

[sudden wren]

Wrenn

Wrenn names all her tree companions numbers

[fleet cargo]

I knew there was a w in there somewhere

[solemn topaz]

as in Wrenn and Six?

[sudden wren]

ye

[fleet cargo]

Ye

[sudden wren]

Wrenn and Seven as well

[fleet cargo]

I like seven

[sudden wren]

i also like seven

a shame Nissa killed him

[solemn topaz]

...... how.... why.... what.

[fleet cargo]

[solemn topaz]

what is Wren

how is a Wren

how Wren bond with world tree and not get instantly corrupted into putty

[sudden wren]

uhhhh

[fleet cargo]

Well

Reasons

[solemn topaz]

also wait if Realmbreaker/Eight just disapeared

[fleet cargo]

It would be cool

[solemn topaz]

doesnt that mean it would take Wren with it?

[sudden wren]

wrenn died

[solemn topaz]

ohhhhhh. except theres an acorn.

so like

Wren is probably fine

bloody hell

MTG lore is giving me an anyurism

[fleet cargo]

the un demention

[solemn topaz]

Im gonna go play something with simple lore.

[fleet cargo]

There goes one

[solemn topaz]

like Elden Ring

[solemn topaz]

yes the place where we sent all the Unsets except for that one we were forced to interact with which I hate because it forced its way into standard

[solemn topaz]

it has very simple lore.

kinda

[sudden wren]

hey Gurm

[solemn topaz]

I mean

depending

yes Lol?

[sudden wren]

you ever heard of Magus of the strings? :]

[solemn topaz]

no.......

Im getting worried

this guy?

[sudden wren]

ye

you got to him before I did

recognize thats a legal card outside of Unsets

[solemn topaz]

yes I know

[fleet cargo]

It's not anymore

[solemn topaz]

did you not see that whole rant I posted?

[fleet cargo]

I thought they just banned all rhe uncards

[solemn topaz]

they only banned attractions and stickers

nooope

[fleet cargo]

Ah

[fleet cargo]

Shame

[solemn topaz]

or I guess they did ban him?

[sudden wren]

no, hes not banned

[solemn topaz]

I swear there was some stuff they left from that set for constructed play

[sudden wren]

if he was banned, it would say banned

[solemn topaz]

oh okay

so whats his deal lore wise?

[fleet cargo]

I think of banned as also not leagel most of the time

Cause my brain doesn't see a difference

[sudden wren]

you think un-sets have lore?

get a load of this guy :clueless:

[solemn topaz]

you brought him up

[fleet cargo]

Probably

[solemn topaz]

we were having a discussion

[sudden wren]

because of his card effects

[solemn topaz]

right yeah ojkay

he dupes spells in black and red

probably a great commander for a burn deck

what of it?

[sudden wren]

he turns spells into ciphers

[solemn topaz]

yes.

one of the dumbest mechanics that exists

[sudden wren]

i turn Blasphemous act into a ciphered creature

as well as prisonners dilemma, chaos warp, etc etc

[solemn topaz]

why would you do that.

theres much better options

[fleet cargo]

Cause chaos

[solemn topaz]

Sorins vengence

or you know

a ramp card

or somethin

[fleet cargo]

Necrotic hex would also be funny

[sudden wren]

cause you need to actually connect first

[solemn topaz]

I have many ways to connect.

wheres that card

[sudden wren]

remember that you

are in rakdos

[solemn topaz]

oh crap

there goes like

all my ideas

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=607242

like that one

that one was kinda my idea

but um

huh

[fleet cargo]

just hidden passage?

[solemn topaz]

I guess we could give them all specter?

[sudden wren]

fair enough

hold on

[solemn topaz]

people still know what specter is right?

or no is it shadow

Im thinking of shadow

[sudden wren]

i gotta kill a stony toad

[fleet cargo]

I hate shadow

[solemn topaz]

alright go have fun. I am truly off to go grind in elden ring though.

[fleet cargo]

With passion

[solemn topaz]

yeah well at least its not an infect creature with built in unblockable

my beloved

[fleet cargo]

That's not hard to do

Unfortunately

[solemn topaz]

bah humbug

eat my darksteel myr

nobody expects the DSM

DSM 500 eheheheheh

[fleet cargo]

make em unblockable

[solemn topaz]

I mean so heres the last thing I wanna say and then Ima dip

+DSF +Artifact focused deck with many mana rocks.

boom baby

I’ve always wanted to make a deck built around spamming world slayer and repeatedly trapping my opponents

But like also it’s completely cursed and horrible and awful

[fleet cargo]

My brother has a few world slayer decks

So silly

He's obsessed with it

And also the wand of wonder

[solemn topaz]

It’s an interesting concept. But it just…. Doesn’t quite work anywhere.

It’s fun

It’s a big nuke

It’s just….. got a lot of issues

[sudden wren]

i want to build a splicer deck in modern

[solemn topaz]

Splicer???

[sudden wren]

yeah

from new phyrexia?

we also got a few more for commander

[sudden wren]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7953464/splicer_savagery

[sudden wren]

Hey gurm, how do you feel about Phyrexian Obliterator?

[solemn topaz]

The what

[solemn topaz]

Wait a minute

You can over assign damage

With one proper move

You can have your opponent nuke their own board

Or no…

Oh god no that’s not what I thought

Oh Jesus how did that get printed

That’s horrific

[sudden wren]

it was originally printed in New Phyrexia

it got a reprint in All Will Be One

[solemn topaz]

Ew

If you are running mono black tell me why that wouldn’t be a mainline creature

There’s very few reasons to not run it

It’s a good sized beat stick with horrific potential

[sudden wren]

exactly

this was in a standard set

[sudden wren]

holy shit

Eldrazi with Classes now exist
You know what that means

[fleet cargo]

That's one of the few cards my brothers and I have agreed to ban

We had a game where each of us independently had put it in our decks and the game stalemated the second two of us had one

[sudden wren]

XD

[solemn topaz]

Pffft

[solemn topaz]

Variable….. kicker cost….. and returning stuff to hand and exile….. okay I might actually look into getting that.

[sudden wren]

XD

its effects are good, but i'm just interested in the fact it has a class

[solemn topaz]

Oh yes that is interesting

But see I’m a muldrotha addict

And I see creature with repeatables on it

And I wantses

[sudden wren]

XD

i see

an excuse to make Eldrazi DnD race again

[solemn topaz]

Although interestingly, generating the colourless mana for the initial cast will be slightly more difficult

I don’t have many non coloured mana sources

[sudden wren]

sol ring

[solemn topaz]

BoP can generate waste mana right?

[solemn topaz]

I have it in the deck yeah.

But it says 2

Not diamond

[sudden wren]

it

says colorless

it was errated

[solemn topaz]

It says 2

[sudden wren]

-sigh-

[solemn topaz]

Well that’s silly.

I’m screwing with you

I know

[sudden wren]

alright

what is BoP again?

[solemn topaz]

Birds of paradise

Tap for any

[sudden wren]

no, it doesn't

colorless mana is not a color

[solemn topaz]

Huh

Well then

[sudden wren]

there are a bunch of lands that tap for colorless though

the Talisman mana rocks also tap for colorless

[solemn topaz]

points at my mana base of entirely basics and duals that tap for coloured

[sudden wren]

get some wastes

[solemn topaz]

points at my lack of mana rocks

[solemn topaz]

Nooooooo

[sudden wren]

yes :}

[solemn topaz]

They’re expensive

[fleet cargo]

Then get a liquametal torque

[solemn topaz]

And it will ruin my mana curve

[fleet cargo]

It's like 30 cents

[solemn topaz]

Who

[sudden wren]

expensive?

[solemn topaz]

Well that’s an interesting artifact

[solemn topaz]

Half a buck per land! Yes that’s insane!

[sudden wren]

you could also use this guy

[sudden wren]

you're also not buying alot of them

you'd buy like...5

[solemn topaz]

I’d buy like 20 cause I’d need to fiddle with mana a lot and other decks might want it.

[sudden wren]

<.<

[solemn topaz]

Anywho

Spensive

[sudden wren]

tsk~

[fleet cargo]

You could always proxy

[sudden wren]

eeeeeeeh

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

[solemn topaz]

THREE DOLLARS? Aw hell naw.

[sudden wren]

ffs

you are

[fleet cargo]

How much would you spend on a card?

[sudden wren]

-sigh-

he wants to spend 25 cents on the card

[fleet cargo]

Like any card

[solemn topaz]

Occasionally 1.50 mostly 50-80c

[fleet cargo]

Ok

[fleet cargo]

Then this would be perfect for you

[solemn topaz]

Look. I try to play this game relatively cheap. If that means I have to dig for “suboptimal” things, I’ll do it.

[solemn topaz]

It’s under consideration

[fleet cargo]

https://youtube.com/@thecommandersquarters

[sudden wren]

kruphix is only 3 bucks
that's not playing suboptimal, that's litterally just trying to cut costs

[fleet cargo]

Budget deck person

[solemn topaz]

Oooh. Shiny.

[solemn topaz]

……. Look I think we just have very different stances on this.

I get anxiety from spending money.

Thus I try to not spend a lot

[fleet cargo]

Most of the decks he makes each card costs lest theb a doller

Save for maybe the commander

[solemn topaz]

Commander can always cost more.

[sudden wren]

As do I, but i guess i've just learned to get over a majority of it
it's not like the money is going anywhere else at the moment, and I can always get it back in time

[fleet cargo]

And it definitely ain't going to wizards if you buy Singles

So that's a plus

[sudden wren]

i don't usually buy singles unless it's for a good reason

like if I wanted to build my shrine deck that has no instants or sorceries in paper

[solemn topaz]

And I have anxiety that at any point that money will suddenly be needed somewhere and thus I need to save as much as I can. But this isn’t therapy and that’s all you’re getting from me.

[sudden wren]

:V

[fleet cargo]

That's a rough existence

[sudden wren]

agreed

[solemn topaz]

[solemn topaz]

Thank you very much for the rec. helped me refine my muldrotha further.

Also reminded me that fleshbag and executioner existed.

I feel silly cause I knew about them. I used them before and then when it comes to build recursive hell I just…. Forgot about them

(Round Robin sac effects is what they do ETB)

[solemn topaz]

going to a MH3 draft today

hope I get somethin nice

[fleet cargo]

gl

[sudden wren]

good luck

[solemn topaz]

Pre release: done!

Had fun…. God the decks I make are so jank. Won a game and got “Six” pre release card was pretty good and even traded for someone else’s.

Went 1/2 on final score. I messed up bad in initial construction and only fixed it later on. Ah well. Not exactly the most worth it but had fun.

Seriously this set is bloody expensive

[sudden wren]

Yeah

[sudden wren]

Six is cool

[solemn topaz]

He’s a second world shaper which, is very nice

When I’m home I’ll do a “haul” pic

[solemn topaz]

That’s what I consider the “good stuff”

Also Shadow of the second sun does NOT just give you a second main phase one. It does all that at the end of your second main phase. Cause logic.

Why do I know this? Cause a judge told me after I did it wrong

The counter spell was my original card, traded some stuff I had no use for the other one

Well I had use but….. I wanted the island lady more than em

[solemn topaz]

the big draws for me really are that counter spell as its my first proper "commander" tier counter spell, the artifact that nullifies freebies, Six, and the zombie round robin sac

the rest will slowly find home in other decks, I know I wanna make a deck around red lady

but outside of that..... good times.... now to colapse into a puddle cause 4 hours of tournamenting is rough on my brain

[sudden wren]

Hey gurm

a suggested card for you

[sudden wren]

also, gurm, have you seen the Clue™️ cards?

speaking of Clue, if anyone is interested, i have a nice Commander Deckbuilding Challenge

[solemn topaz]

I’ve seen. I’m interested….. but we both know that’s going to be outside of my per card budget.

I’ve got cheaper “worse” alternatives on the way and some other trickery of my own

Like using Jaces Erasure

On myself

[solemn topaz]

today is a dark day

I no longer have a Lanowar elf in my muldrotha deck

oh now that Ive collected myself out of my fugue state of last night I remembered something funny.

in my second round of the night I was up against another guy who was clearly some competative someone. He did the card flippies and what not. So when I swung with my mana dork to deal chip damage, he just sat there, looking at it for a while not undersanding my train of thought. which was just..... hilarious.

some people are too used to high level play that when some goober like me comes around, and sees free chip damage with no play in hand, we take it, and it throws them completely off their game.

fun times

[fleet cargo]

Awesome

[solemn topaz]

I uh lost that game cause I had black cards in my deck but no black mana sources but you know, fun times.

[slate olive]

Why no black mana? Was it a draft where the Lands were also drafted rather than supplied based on the mana needs of the drafted non-lands?

[fleet cargo]

yeah who does draft where you onle get the lands you drafted?

unless its like a non basic then why?

[solemn topaz]

nono

I just forgot

so I had built my deck initially to be simic

and then later on I decided to add some black cards. I then FORGOT, to edit my mana base

so I changed back to a simic setup after I lost that game because I had realized my mistake

it was me being a complete dumbass

nothing else

@slate olive @fleet cargo

[fleet cargo]

i sse

[slate olive]

Ah.

I thought maybe for once you'd have an excuse that absolved you of idiocy.

I've played drafts where the only lands one was allowed was the ones they drafted. They were hell.

[solemn topaz]

nono. I was just an idiot.

[fleet cargo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872717430433144853/1246328414089252865/162fcdec-bf3c-43ba-9ada-212f7dec5fbd.png?ex=6665e089&is=66648f09&hm=41df8533da0024e50ff6a9f89ff9ba1361d2b80d43f4c29fd83fa7f770cbdf66&

@solemn topaz my brother wants to see your reaction to this card

[solemn topaz]

Discover can rot in hades. Explore was better. This is just cascade all over again and cascade is cancerous.

@fleet cargo

[fleet cargo]

cool thanks

[solemn topaz]

Okay then….

[fleet cargo]

yeah he came in started cackling and was explaining all the ways to kill people with it

[solemn topaz]

So yes. That card is cancer. I don’t like it.

This is why I run multiple forms of removal ESPECIALLY for artifacts and enchants

[fleet cargo]

he also explained his search and destroy deck to me just now

[sudden wren]

But mah shrines...

[fleet cargo]

which just exiles all copies of one card from someone library hand gravyard etc

and then makes sure to do that to all your cards

repeatedly

[sudden wren]

Can he do it to lands?

[fleet cargo]

yes

[sudden wren]

Hm

That sounds like an unfun deck

[fleet cargo]

yeah

[sudden wren]

Rather, anti-fun

[fleet cargo]

better win by turn 2 then

[solemn topaz]

taps the sign titled “don’t make me go out and put strip mine in my Muldrotha deck”

[sudden wren]

Shrines are enchantments

[solemn topaz]

If you have no lands that doesn’t matter

[sudden wren]

...
Sanctum of fruitful harvest

[fleet cargo]

who needs lands

when youre able to just play though the power of mana rocks and eldrazi spawn

[sudden wren]

Also, if you're gonna blast all my lands, you might as well play MLD

Considering I run almost entirely basics

[solemn topaz]

That’s it EVERYONE DIES

[sudden wren]

Kinda sucks ass if you do that though

And will be semi tough to find games

[solemn topaz]

Oh absolutely

That’s why I have the sign

I can merely threaten it and most people stop the unfun arms race

I don’t even own strip mine

I’d have to buy it

Thereby breaking my own rules on buying cards

It’s a threat I’m happy to follow through on if the MTG casual meta gets….. too extreme.

[sudden wren]

But like
If you feel the need to do that, why play?

[fleet cargo]

why would my brother make a deck that literally stops a player from casting spells each turn

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520825615977414656/1249215569597567006/ee241079-1e5a-4224-b9cb-4fd3e0da687c.png?ex=66667e29&is=66652ca9&hm=fb1638b08eba836ace1f260e3ae41de027870ee9bce8aa8f0798605ba507df53&

[sudden wren]

Because he wants to win

[fleet cargo]

fair enough

[sudden wren]

I play to have fun and do stupid shit

[fleet cargo]

same

[sudden wren]

If your only objective is to win, I'm probably not gonna want to play with you

[fleet cargo]

his objective it to make my other brother lose

[sudden wren]

So he just wants to bully a specific player

That's...arguably worse

[solemn topaz]

Same here. I just have threats I’m willing to use if I suddenly start having to deal with things that are basically Yugioh floodgate cards.

[solemn topaz]

Eh it’s sibling rivalry. I’ve seen worse.

[fleet cargo]

this is what we get to deal with

my brothers are monsters

[solemn topaz]

wait thats it?

[fleet cargo]

he made that deck 20 minutes ago

as a challenge

[solemn topaz]

in the past I built decks that literally dismantled specific decks piece by piece until they physically couldnt do anything.

just stunning the baord and skipping some untap steps aint the worst

[fleet cargo]

fair

[solemn topaz]

I mean way way back in the day

a buddy of mine had a red black deck that was a bit hard to deal with

so I built a deck that was effectively immune to black and red decks

and slowly picked it apart

I might not be a nice person

[fleet cargo]

no no i get that

[solemn topaz]

but yes constructing something that evil in 20 minutes is a bit intense

[fleet cargo]

but we each made a brand new deck and thats the results

ints not like he knew what we were doing before hand

[solemn topaz]

fair

yall are just using any card across all of time ever?

or is it your personal collections

cause that changes stuff

and what format

[fleet cargo]

anything thats modern leagal

for that deck

we're playing on cockatrice

[solemn topaz]

ah

[fleet cargo]

so every cards is fair play

[solemn topaz]

so no pulling out power nine

[fleet cargo]

sometmies

[solemn topaz]

modern is silly

[fleet cargo]

very

but standard is borring

and 3 person commander is very kingmakery

[solemn topaz]

true

[sudden wren]

Back in my day...

[solemn topaz]

dont you start you god damned whippersnapper or I will force you off of this here lawn

[sudden wren]

XD

Listen here, old man-

Oh, hey gurm

[fleet cargo]

[sudden wren]

Two things:
A creature, meaning multi target triggers multiple times
A spell means both your spells and your opponents spells

I love Phyrexia <3

[solemn topaz]

spell..... not abilities huh.....

did somebody say exicutioner spam?

[sudden wren]

I blink my rotpreist

[solemn topaz]

how many times can you blink Zhu?

[sudden wren]

You get a poison counter

[solemn topaz]

I targeted nothing

[sudden wren]

I targeted

[solemn topaz]

oh I see

well now thats rude

blink ends

I recast Mer4ciless

you will run out of blinks

[sudden wren]

I blink until end of turn

[solemn topaz]

I will not run out of exicutioners

okay

[fleet cargo]

this feels very toxic with ovar

[solemn topaz]

Ill wiat Zhu

you will run out of blinks

Iwill not run out of exicutioners

[sudden wren]

You only need 10 poison

[solemn topaz]

mhm

I know

[sudden wren]

I only need to target 10 times

[solemn topaz]

Zhu

I think we both know

that your guy would die, or you would trade him, before you got 10 poison off on me

[sudden wren]

This is not counting the immense proliferate in ONE

[solemn topaz]

of course

but this is also a commander setting

where you bringing a poison counter proliferate deck

means that you are going to get hard focused into nonexistence

also, you talk about me being potentially unfun and running out of people to play with, yet here you are being a lunatic playing with bloody poison counters

which are somehow better in your eyes

[sudden wren]

Oh we're talking about commander?
I'm already dead, so you can't kill my rotoreist

[solemn topaz]

even though poison counters are some of the most unfun uninteractive nonsense Ive ever seen from MTG

[sudden wren]

I'm showing unfun cards to you

[solemn topaz]

but why

are you TRYING to get a rise out of me?

because if so

I dont fucking appreciate it.

[solemn topaz]

Im not the fun thing to be poked and prodded at

[fleet cargo]

absolute doom

[sudden wren]

Because it helps prepare you for the current setting of magic

[solemn topaz]

sure Zhu

sure.

[sudden wren]

That, and I don't think MH3 is as bad as the power creep in standard

[solemn topaz]

okay

[fleet cargo]

[sudden wren]

As someone who has been on the receiving end of these decks, it was very annoying

Anyways, I feel buying a box of Ravnica: Clue Edition

[solemn topaz]

that was a stupid bloody set and never should have been printed

has some occationally decent cards though

[sudden wren]

Are we talking about CLU or Markov Manor?

[solemn topaz]

wait theres 2 different sets

[sudden wren]

Yes

[solemn topaz]

..... I was refering to Markov

[sudden wren]

They had a crossover set with Clue

[solemn topaz]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

why.

[sudden wren]

With even its own gametype

[solemn topaz]

just why.

clue isn't even fantasy

its just a board game.

[sudden wren]

Promotional

[solemn topaz]

Im going to stab hazbro

[fleet cargo]

hasbor

[sudden wren]

Gave us some fun new cards at least

[fleet cargo]

they do be doing things

[sudden wren]

Like Commander Mustard

[solemn topaz]

thats nice, I would have prefered a set that actually mattered

rather than "we own clue and magic, lets mash em together"

I think Haz owns clue

[sudden wren]

Which would have been...?

[solemn topaz]

yeah Hasbro owns clue

[solemn topaz]

a set without tacky branding slapped onto it

idk

[sudden wren]

By this logic, all Universes Beyond Products would not exist

[solemn topaz]

oh goodie

please kill them

[fleet cargo]

what you dont like transformers in mtg

[solemn topaz]

funnily enough. no.

I dont.

nor do I like hatsune bloody miku on my magic cards.

[sudden wren]

I don't see the big issue

Hatsune miku is a secret lair, not new cards

I like the crossovers, it gives some interesting options

[solemn topaz]

okay look so Zhu

I like my magic cards

to have stuff from magic the gathering on them.

because Im from an older time in magic.

and Im kinda a curmudgin about it

grognard

whatever prefered term is

[sudden wren]

But also, list of all things removed if no crossover sets:
40k
Doctor Who
Assassins Creed
Fallout
Jurassic Park
Transformers
Lord of the Rings
DnD
MLP
Walking Dead
Stranger Things
Street Fighter

[solemn topaz]

woo!

[sudden wren]

Am i missing any, Pagan?

[fleet cargo]

and dnd

[solemn topaz]

and DnD

[fleet cargo]

twice

[sudden wren]

Oh yeah, and DND

[sudden wren]

Well...good for you then?
I will agree to disagree with you then and leave it at that

[solemn topaz]

also what do you mean secret lairs dont count as tacky branding? they put HATSUNE MIKU ON THE CARDS ZHU

I mean I love her music.

but I just....

you know what whatever

[solemn topaz]

its not a good thing

[sudden wren]

Well then okay

I think it's fine, you don't
We can just leave it at that

[solemn topaz]

anywho

yeah

[sudden wren]

Man
I hate the itch to deckbuild but i won't cause of standards

In reference, I want to build an eldrazi deck with ulalek, but I don't use cards before they're officially released

So instead I'm getting out of bed write up the Eldrazi Race for DnD

can I ask you something, Gurm?

[solemn topaz]

Sure

[sudden wren]

I forgot it

[solemn topaz]

oh okay

[fleet cargo]

So I was given a much more in detail look at the deck the whole thing is forcing your opponents to skip each step

[solemn topaz]

I see

[fleet cargo]

what in the world is this card

why

[solemn topaz]

Because white needed it.

[fleet cargo]

sure white defenetly needed it

[solemn topaz]

Mhm!

Soul sisters wasn’t powerful enough yet.

[visual patrol]

https://youtube.com/shorts/LNjso9Lu8RA?si=JWAAg41QjNlMLc1J

[fleet cargo]

I loved that episode

There's maybe 15 minutes of actual gameplay in the near hour long video

The rest is just people laughing at the tiny deck

[solemn topaz]

well some new cards finally arrived starting with Uurg, Son of Turg

which was only being sold online as a near mint foil. which means I get to try my best to unbend the thing

good news: it was 2 cents

cause apparently nobody likes Uurg Spawn of Turg

or well apparently there are more for sale now. yay

anyways. surveil 1 at upkeep.

and land saccing. which is good because Ive got Haedron Crabbo.

my bestest pal ever

who is only in my deck because I already own one.

[sudden wren]

You should put a Slogurk in your deck

[solemn topaz]

I mean..... maybe.

but he also doesnt really progress the board state

like yes

he becomes big and chunky

but he doesnt do things beyond that

also if I want something like that Zhu..... I have a better option that I already own

https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=214040

[sudden wren]

I mean
He gets your lands back

[solemn topaz]

I have Muldrotha.

I have Worldshaper

I have Six

[sudden wren]

He also gets really big

[solemn topaz]

I could have Bonehoard

if I so chose

[sudden wren]

Does muldrotha put them into your hand?

[solemn topaz]

Muldrotha plays them

from grave

as my land for the turn

[sudden wren]

You want them in hand for Six

[solemn topaz]

Six can get them in hand

or

I have a few cards that just return perminents

to hand

[sudden wren]

-sigh-

[solemn topaz]

Zhu, when I finish with my current deck setup which is waiting for other cards to arrive

Ill show you the bloody deck list

one of these days is there going to be a topic that you actually explain your point to me rather than just seemingly poking me with a stick until I get frustrated?

because its really starting to grind my gears

[sudden wren]

I did explain my pint for Slogurk

He gets big and your recycling your lands

[solemn topaz]

its a big creature that can get lands back. but takes a while to build up. when I have other faster methods of doing such things.

did I get all that?

[sudden wren]

He's a redundancy, in case you don't have what you need

[solemn topaz]

I have. redundancies.

many

again.

lemme finish making the deck list, and we can talk then

[sudden wren]

Mmm

[solemn topaz]

there are only 2 cards in my deck with no redundancise that are massive weaknesses. Riftwarden, and the Mirai conjecture.

also Elixer of imortality.

and I really should add something as well to double for Elixer

so 3 lynchpins

exile dodge. grave dodge. and spell returning.

Im looking into alternatives for grave and spell returning. as exile returning isnt really a thing

[sudden wren]

Do you have sac creature effects?

This is relevant

[solemn topaz]

many

why

well.... a handful

[sudden wren]

Mnemonic Wall

[solemn topaz]

I have.... Sidsi, Priest of forgotten gods, and Vanifar off the top of my head

[solemn topaz]

juuust found that.

yeah

[sudden wren]

Any creature that etbs a thing to your hand, really

Meldweb Splicer should be another

[solemn topaz]

yeah Ive been looking

[sudden wren]

Curator*

[solemn topaz]

Archaeomancer

ooh found the best one

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=540916

Exploits can exploit themselves

dirt cheap too

god damn

I love off meta cards

[visual patrol]

okay made the joke now I can post here as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1J4xgWDYKo

Double Sliver trouble

[sudden wren]

oh no, 2 sliver decks

and one of them can STEAL slivers

[visual patrol]

One Overlord and one First Sliver

[sudden wren]

(also, Ovika, my beloved)

[visual patrol]

Also couldnt resist the face palm pun in haus

[solemn topaz]

slivers

so many slivers

all my worst nightmares in one place

this

see THIS

is why we have Oko

this garbage

[visual patrol]

"Sliver players are degenerate , their decks are out of control, it's never a fun experience... MY commander is Sliver Overlord"
From the Prof XD

[solemn topaz]

god damnit Prof

alright no more spoilies

I wanna watch this one myself

[visual patrol]

ohhh

Lupo said something interesting

Slivers come in two flavours

"All Slivers you control gain X" and "Slivers gain X"

The second one also affecting other players

[solemn topaz]

indeed

round robin effect

nasty stuff

its why 2 sliver decks against each other will burn each other out. its honestly safer to have 2 sliver decks than 1 sliver deck

at least in my experience

[sudden wren]

i made a mono-g deck
it's been a long time since I made one
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8009458/six_restored

[visual patrol]

At least we can have faith that in the MTG community everyone except the CEO idiots in charge like their AI stance

"I love this logo that was designed by a human"

"Yes , yes we do"

"I am not dunking, I am prasing this human made artwork"

[solemn topaz]

yeahhhh

[solemn topaz]

That deck better have the alt win condition goat

https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=401878

Okay apparently it’s a cat

But same difference

[visual patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwEshhWVIuo

This game

[solemn topaz]

I see

[visual patrol]

This is madness

[solemn topaz]

this is magic.

[visual patrol]

A deck that does "nothing"
An Un-Deck ( only Un-Set cards)

and the magic unfolds

[sudden wren]

man

i love arena having a pay-to-access sub-store that I actively get things to but I can't spend unless I specifically buy access to that store

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

anyways, boros equipment does well

[solemn topaz]

thats good.

[sudden wren]

ye

[solemn topaz]

you using sunforger?

[sudden wren]

sunforger?

im playing standard, I don't think sunforger is in that

im doing ONE set

[solemn topaz]

like THE boros equipment?

[solemn topaz]

oh

[sudden wren]

imagine playing to instants in an equipment deck :clueless:

[solemn topaz]

I see.

[solemn topaz]

I mean its not like you can do that effect at instant speed and thus have access to basically your entire libraries 4 or less cost instants.

[sudden wren]

yeah, but like
eh

[solemn topaz]

okay

[sudden wren]

how is that gonna help me beat my opponents face in? am I gonna burn them?

[solemn topaz]

........ yes

run lightningbolt

and shock

burn their face off

[sudden wren]

but like
that's boring

if i wanted to do that, i'd build a monored burn deck

unfortunate nonetheless though

welp, time to build an azorius vehicle deck

[visual patrol]

Two Headed Giant idea

Make a Boros deck that doesnt really win on its own but is there to support the other team member

and call it

Broros

[sudden wren]

pfffft

[solemn topaz]

I like this idea

[sudden wren]

:D
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8020867/gundam_dynasty

[solemn topaz]

why is everything there from katagawa?

[visual patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dogecoin-samurai-ronin-bushido-gif-26524943

[sudden wren]

because it was an archetype in kamigawa

also, things are just easier when I do monoset

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8020952/drag_racing

[solemn topaz]

I see

[sudden wren]

oh hey look, Orzhov Vehicles from the same set

[sudden wren]

i mean, i made 10 decks from All Will Be One, one for each archetype

[solemn topaz]

I see

[sudden wren]

too much free time (this is about half-ish of my decks)

for all those phyrexia decks, i just need a second copy of All Will Be One and Mayhem Dominus each

thankfully, i just need to wildcard them both once thanks to arena's lovely formatting

i suppose while im in the mood, ima make a werewolf deck

tada~
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8021072/the_wild_hunt

okay, gotta get back to sanding walls, but when I get back, rakdos vampires time

[sudden wren]

okay

that took uhh...a bit longer then expected

but hey, deckbuilding time now

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8022752/the_unending_thirst

[sudden wren]

ngl

corpse cobble is always gonna be my favorite dimir card

it's just really satisfying

[fleet cargo]

My brother made a card and we are disagreeing on how strong it is

I'm saying it's really pushed for a pretty easy instant speed extra turn

Opinions?

[sudden wren]

thats really strong

[solemn topaz]

That’s bloody atrocious is what it is.

As in

Dear god you better always have 1-4 mana open

Otherwise that’s extra turn city.

[fleet cargo]

Yeah

Is what I kept telling him

[solemn topaz]

And he says?

[fleet cargo]

He says it's balanced

[solemn topaz]

angrily points at rystic study

That’s just power crept rhystic

And rhystic is already mental

[solemn topaz]

No.

Nothing with split second is balanced. Let alone a modal creature that could give you extra turns!

Yes yes only the spell portion has split second

The point stands

[fleet cargo]

The creature has flash though

So

Still doesn't help

[solemn topaz]

Yeah

Honestly the only way I’d see it be balanced is if people had to vote to let you take an extra turn

And then it’s just a silver border.

[fleet cargo]

I'm pretty sure that's a real card though

[solemn topaz]

I have no idea pagan

I’m just spitting out ideas

[fleet cargo]

His reaction

[solemn topaz]

Extra turns are broken. Thats why power 9 has timewalk.

“I still have to Counterspell” you know you can counter your own stuff

And then

It’s no longer a choice

It’s free turns as long as you have counter spells

“Just keep 1 mana open”

……..

[fleet cargo]

Yeah

[solemn topaz]

I want to slap your brother in the back of the head.

Hard.

[fleet cargo]

I will for you

[solemn topaz]

once again: you can COUNTER YOUR OWN SPELLS

[fleet cargo]

I mean if you bumped up the price by like 3 mana maaaybe it would be sorta ok

[solemn topaz]

upon reading the card, it states AN opponent

which is interesting wording.

[fleet cargo]

For counterspell.

?

[solemn topaz]

additionally there is not a limit on the number of times it could happen in a turn. and I know of a lot of cheap and crappy mana spells.

[solemn topaz]

nono, the card he made

[sudden wren]

that feels worded inccorectly

[fleet cargo]

Yeah an opponent can stop the extra turn

[sudden wren]

it should feel like "whenever you yada yada, take an extra turn. any player may pay 1 to counter this effect"

[solemn topaz]

it should be say "the controller of the countered spell" or something akin to that.

or how zhul worded it

[fleet cargo]

Nah I'm fine with that

[solemn topaz]

either way

long story short

its not "slight power creep on an adventure" its a massive gaping hole of abuse.

[fleet cargo]

Like this is the guy who runs demir to play extra extra turn spells

[solemn topaz]

because I know about a lot of really terrible counterspells that are dirt cheappppp.

[fleet cargo]

Casue he really likes the black extra turn spell

[solemn topaz]

and you can just chain counter your own stuffff.

and then nobody has mana

and then you get your free turns

and since you are in blue and white you have many fun and awesome options to return spells to hand

also elxier of imortality exists.

[sudden wren]

fuckin "keep 1 mana open"

bitch

[fleet cargo]

All he has to do is pair this with the artifact or enchantment that makes lands untapped every other turn

[sudden wren]

no

it's not just one mana
you need alot of mana open

[fleet cargo]

Then it's doubly bad for us

[solemn topaz]

MUCH mana

[sudden wren]

cause this isn't a once per turn effect

[solemn topaz]

as I said, its power crept rhystic study

[sudden wren]

even Jin says once per turn

[fleet cargo]

And ya know what he's gonna do with those extra turns

Play a land

[solemn topaz]

I mean this one doesnt say once per turn

[fleet cargo]

That's it

[sudden wren]

thats different

[solemn topaz]

and then wait until its the final opponents turn, and then cast something at instant speed. then chain counter it 7 times and take 7 additional turns

[fleet cargo]

He never puts in enough card draw so he will literally play 3 extra turn spells in a row and that's it

[sudden wren]

it doesn't matter what HE does

[fleet cargo]

Oh I'm waiting for it

[sudden wren]

it matters what CAN be done

[solemn topaz]

exactly

[fleet cargo]

Yeah I know

[solemn topaz]

yeah that was the point of the joke

[sudden wren]

oh

woosh

[solemn topaz]

anyways long story short Pagan, your brother does not understand the rammifications of their actions and needs to be slapped upside the head, which supposedly you are doing for me.

[solemn topaz]

[sudden wren]

i should change my profile to another magic themed thing

eyes Ulalek

i also need to get off ym ass and start workin on eldrazi dnd thingie

[solemn topaz]

I reccomend ghostfire. this completely normal spell art. with no issues.

[sudden wren]

pffft

ah yes, 3 mana lightning bolt

[solemn topaz]

theres also ghostfire slice now

[sudden wren]

i think i remember that

man, i feel

tired

[solemn topaz]

just straight up powercrept ghostfire

so rude

.... alright

google

let me

get the image

[sudden wren]

oh, hey Gurm
how do you like phasing your stuff out at flash speed or turning all your lands into creatures?

[solemn topaz]

FINE! DOING IT THE HARD WAY!

[sudden wren]

or making dozens of zombie tokens at once?

[solemn topaz]

no I really dont like making lands into creatures. phasing sutff out is neat. and my first ever "real" deck was a delve based zombie deck so yes I enjoy zombies

[sudden wren]

two favorite cards from midnight hunt

[solemn topaz]

well thats interesting

what a strange mechanic. odd that it wasnt keyworded given how specific of an ability it is

[sudden wren]

these are the others in the cycle

[solemn topaz]

one per colour huh

interesting

[sudden wren]

(it's just multikicker, but shhhhh)

[solemn topaz]

everything is kicker

[sudden wren]

everything is kicker

i sadly don't think i have ever seen primal adversary get used, but i definetly see Intrepid Adversary used in go wide decks

[solemn topaz]

ah well

intrepid adversary.... wait a minute

WAIT A MINUTE

[sudden wren]

hm?

[solemn topaz]

THATS JUST WORSE DRAGON THRONE

nobody ever remembers dragon throne

its very sad

[sudden wren]

i'd say its better because it's constantly active instead of you needing to tap that creature down

[solemn topaz]

okay while true..... its on a 1/1

I cast shock.

you no longer have buffs

[sudden wren]

adversary?

[solemn topaz]

3/1

whatever

[sudden wren]

adversary gets +1/+1 as well

[solemn topaz]

it has 1 life

ohhhhhhh

creatures

[sudden wren]

it says EACH creature, not each OTHER creature

[solemn topaz]

I default read that as "other creatures"

LOOK MOST BUFFERS LIKE THAT SAY OTHER

[sudden wren]

yeah, i figured

XD

[solemn topaz]

god damned grumble grumble

[sudden wren]

we also got a cemetary cycle in the followup set

[solemn topaz]

a what

plelease use real words I bheg

[sudden wren]

cemetary cycle

[solemn topaz]

ohhhh

[sudden wren]

i like cemetary illuminator, but i'm also a massive sucker for innistrad ghosties

[solemn topaz]

Cemetary Prowler looks fun

[sudden wren]

we love cheapened cards

best boy legendary

[solemn topaz]

get a type stew card and exile it with wolf friend

[solemn topaz]

oh hey look, a legendary, creature, thats a human, and a soldier.

BECOME EXILED FOR THE WOLF

[sudden wren]

wolf only counts card types

[solemn topaz]

DAMNIT

[sudden wren]

like creature, instant, etc

[solemn topaz]

so only legendary and creature

ah well

or is legendary not a supertype

[sudden wren]

legendary is not a card type

i misspoke

[solemn topaz]

ah

got it

okay

[sudden wren]

legendary = supertype
creature = card type

[solemn topaz]

so way more limited than I thought

because reading cards doesnt explain them anymore.

isnt that right second sun.

[sudden wren]

the issue with my spririts though is they get fucked by a phyrexian card

[solemn topaz]

look at this card

[solemn topaz]

look at this demented horror of a card

[solemn topaz]

no

no dont do it

[sudden wren]

this card screws spirits hard

[solemn topaz]

why..... who would print such a thing.....

why does MTG hate me so

[sudden wren]

oh yeah

thats a one card counter to muldrotha too, huh?

[solemn topaz]

theres so much graveyard hate

[solemn topaz]

YUP

[sudden wren]

i mean, it's not as bad as bojuka bog or soul-guide lantern

[solemn topaz]

thankfully I have some ways around it but with the new deck build being one of "dump the deck into the graveyard" well....

lets just say my ability to play around such things is more limited

[sudden wren]

oh

have you considered the crawling combo for your deck?

they're cheap and handy

[solemn topaz]

crawling combo?

[solemn topaz]

mmmm I see.

while interesting I have other sources Im currently looking into/have/prefer

[sudden wren]

a shame, i find them very nice

[solemn topaz]

an important one being sultai ascendancy

which I dont have but Im considering

they are nice.

theyre quite interesting

its just the deck is kinda running out of room for mill cards that dont do much other htan mill.

[sudden wren]

i mean
these also give you token blockers

[solemn topaz]

this is true

[sudden wren]

which can double as sac fodder

[solemn topaz]

its something to consider

I have sac fodder

I have the best sac fodder ever

look at him

he's perfect

[sudden wren]

okay, and what if you don't have him out

[solemn topaz]

..............

I have other options