#Idle & Incremental Masterlist
tacit current
karmic juniper
If so, where do you put in codes?
Shop, and then top left.
Or so Google claims.
(I’d like to note for the record the red squiggles are not mine for once)
rigid orchid
Ah, gotta unlock it I guess
tacit current
Thus many more layers have been added to the incremental soup.
A whole jumbo onion you could say.
karmic juniper
Mmmmm onion soup
raw gazelle
I've been back on Arcanum off and on. Working on the 2nd wizard, doing a neutral blade duelist
solemn glacier
Evolve you said that two hours ago
tacit current
Did you pause the game by accident?
tacit current
Or I wonder if feeding normal matter restores stability
solemn glacier
Hadn't considered that. Maybe I should stop the 8000 amber going in it
tacit current
Like the stability is based on the black holes current matter ratio
tacit current
Funny I never saw that red text when feeding my first black hole last week. Despite throwing about 40 combined units of exotic materials
solemn glacier
Bloody trees
That's WITH all the trade routes in just amber because I have so godamn much
tacit current
There a reason I usually do an ENT run every few MADs
Currently have a couple thousand scorpid mages that I'm trying to get into space.
tacit current
Guessing you not on a trashed planet?
karmic juniper
That's WITH all the trade routes in just amber because I have so godamn much
yeah trees produce so much amber. its great.
tacit current
Oh yea that place sucks
solemn glacier
But like I want more Infernite production but that means I need more Surveyors but to get that I need more Oil storage and it's taken me over a day to get it ALMOST high enough for me to built ONE Surveyor
Cause I need 311k Oil
And the best thing I can make is the Fuel Depot in space and that takes Iridium which is ABYSMALLY SLOW
tacit current
How far you progressed in your system, gas giant helium3 depots?
tacit current
Supercolliders
solemn glacier
I have Cement Processing (AI makes better cement?) and Wormholes
tacit current
Ahh your that far, yea.....
solemn glacier
And getting my Knowledge up is an equally tedious task because nearly everything is "You can't build this because you can't HOLD enough resource"
I have mapped and trivialized Hell
tacit current
For the solid stuff you can shift around crates/containers to push a little bit more I guess?
solemn glacier
Yeah I do that so I can build the storage buildings but doing that still takes forever because of the resources that are slow
tacit current
Other route I can think of is more railyards for trade routes and buy more iridium 🤷♂️
solemn glacier
I keep forgetting you can buy resources
But also it's so expensive that it's not really worth it
tacit current
Ohh if you want money go for the government type that doubles tourists
Guessing you using federation?
solemn glacier
Ye
tacit current
My black hole run I united the world but then never bothered going for a federation and just stayed corpo till the big bang. Was absurd money to fuel buying so much iridium, alloys, and poly
solemn glacier
Switching to Corporate made me get almost 50k less money
tacit current
Could be I had different plasmid upgrades or gene levels . Or just different stock exchanges too
loud nacelle
Anyone play Revolution Idle?
I tried playing revolution idle
But it felt and played like an Antimatter Dimension reskin with strange mechanics that I felt pushed microtrasactions
solemn glacier
I am ONLY feeding it Infernite
OK the timer is based on the feed setting and not the ACTUAL feed rate
I adjusted it so my Infernite income isn't -0
karmic juniper
OK the timer is based on the feed setting and not the ACTUAL feed rate
ahhhhh.
tacit current
grrr 57% is still not enough
tacit current
New worst material found
toxic cradle
Just started my first challenge run in evolve, went for the hardest to begin with of "everything I can" and man, I am shamelessly using an autoclicker since the amount I need to manually do is horrendous and I would break my fingers trying to keep pace manually
karmic juniper
Oh yeah go ham with the auto clicker. Highly recommended.
tacit current
been mostly only doing 2 star challenges, bump up my base mastery level
im TRYING to get two star world domination, but the stupid desert emirates refuse to sucumb to my scorpid horde
karmic juniper
Build additional pylons
toxic cradle
Oh yeah go ham with the auto clicker. Highly recommended.
My people really can't farm for shit, I literally get a person, assign them to farm and they can't even farm enough for themselves
tacit current
I would if I could, im 5 mana away from 500 and getting mana nexi
karmic juniper
My people really can't farm for shit, I literally get a person, assign them to f...
Oh good god shroud.
toxic cradle
I mean, I got bronze hoes so it's not nearly that bad now
but I still am in a scenario of "can't balance all the numbers into positives"
karmic juniper
Ah
tacit current
Just started my first challenge run in evolve, went for the hardest to begin wit...
genetic disaster?
toxic cradle
Look, it's my third run
I started with fungi, then went to plants, then I was like "mammal to finish" then saw there's 3 mammal options and was like "sure, spiders"
tacit current
wait 3rd total run?
toxic cradle
yes
tacit current
save yourself pain and don't try that one for a while
build up some plasmid upgrades and maybe phage levels
tacit current
I think that challenge forces the other 4 challenge modes, one of which is no starting plasmid bonus
but I can't look at the moment, and not finding the right entry in the wiki
tacit current
ARRRG 77.2% advantage was still not enough to occupy my last rival
karmic juniper
Valdi gives you essentially every negative trait possible
It’s bad
Thankfully you only need MAD
tacit current
144 soldiers with 79% advantage still cannot hold this damn 50 strength country
304 STILL CANT DO IT 
damnit... I need 80 soldiers alive in order to hold it
I just realized how bad the casualties will be if I take this all the way to the demons
west pumice
KTL got a huge update recently too.
tacit current
yup, been running it, trying to boost my purple link multipliers
west pumice
Unlocking the new actions tend to be a larger boost than Attribute Upgrades, it seems though you do need some attributes to unlock them at a reasonable speed. My loops are up to 50-60hrs, though I have enough banked time to be running perpetually at 10x speed.
tacit current
yea.... had about 2400 when I loaded my save
west pumice
Yeah, I'm probably right about where you are then.
solemn glacier
Welp
I don't like the early game when magic exists
You very quickly replace "gather [stuff]" with "conjure [stuff]" and that takes mana so I can't just autoclicker to victory
tacit current
yea skip conjuring research if you don't want that
solemn glacier
Well I already clicked the button so I'm stuck
tacit current
you can skip back to pre black hole with a button in the settings
solemn glacier
Meh
solemn glacier
I am using magic to pray for better science
tacit current
rituals are nice for when you want to push more of a certain thing
currently using it crafted materials since I am playing no manual crafting
but I keep trying to swap to military boost to try and take this last damn country
toxic cradle
My genetic messes are doing great, only got red number since I've got trade route set up since it's maxed out
A lot of the early game was spent with an autoclicker, but I'm at the point where I'm coasting easy
toxic cradle
Fanatical genetic mess
solemn glacier
No I'm trying to decide which to pick
tacit current
depends what your last race was
solemn glacier
I have no idea
tacit current
Bottom
solemn glacier
I stopped poking at it for like 3 months
OK how does knowing the name effect things?
tacit current
fanatical gives a specific trait of that race
solemn glacier
Ah
tacit current
fanatical for me gives me the trait of the Ents, which removes plywood and wood use
solemn glacier
Oh
Yeah I don't want that
I keep having little panics every time I look at it and my food is negative
Because winter
tacit current
don't play carnivore races then
tacit current
food is anxiety with carnivores
tacit current
I have no idea what they eat
PLANT
solemn glacier
Well what it really is is that I'm so used to having such food input levels that the minor oscillation in input makes it never go anywhere near negative
tacit current
is your moral bellow 100?
tacit current
keeping moral above 90 or so to keep yourself out of a spiral
Yea winter hurts farms
OH injured soldiers? injured soldiers don't hunt
solemn glacier
No I'm just so early in the game that it's a concern
I can't clicker my way past this phase because magic
tacit current
rival might have raided you and injured some soldier
solemn glacier
No it's a recurring thing
Now that winter is over my food production is almost 15
tacit current
but also when it snows you lose another 30% food production
toxic cradle
For me genetic messes who can't be entertained, republic government form is doing wonders given the 20% morale boost
solemn glacier
It's just a matter of getting enough people doing not other work that they work the farms
toxic cradle
also minimum tax settings
solemn glacier
Which is slow because I can't clicker my way into resources
Anyway. It's "stabalized" now that I've got enough silos
The dip isn't enough to cause starvation (or get below half stored food)
tacit current
random question, but what is your current soldier rating? doesn't matter the game state really
Because this damn country will not break, even when I fully mana boost war, unoccupy the other two cities for another 120 soldiers
I STILL lose 300 soldiers and cannot hold it
toxic cradle
Not on my computer, but I'm pretty sure mine is 0.5, but that's cause I'm currently playing the genetic failures
I've also not been in the position to try and militarily occupy the second nation, nevermind the third
toxic cradle
tacit current
trying to figure out why my soldiers made of paper
tacit current
starting to think It is actually impossible to occupy my 3rd kingdom
toxic cradle
oops, but hey, an achievement
well, now that I've accidentally achieved starvation, to the people who have more hours, any easy achievements that I could easily miss as I'm close approaching M.A.D?
tacit current
well first place to start would be to check the wiki, which uses your save and works as a checklist
https://pmotschmann.github.io/Evolve/wiki.html#list-achievements
should be easy is the world domination methods
domination, illuminati, and syndicate
toxic cradle
karmic juniper
CHEESE! FOR EVERYONE!
tacit current
I am so glad this many civilian casualties means nothing to me
Well im doing better fighting wise compared to the gnomes last time
solemn glacier
That's a reference to 90s commercials
tacit current
Hmm that couldn't be any worse than detonating a blackhole, right?
wild prism
I'm assuming what was beyond the veil was just a shitload of cookies
tacit current
karmic juniper
I'm assuming what was beyond the veil was just a _shitload of cookies_
The veil was cookies all along too.
toxic cradle
Nah, I'm guessing paperclips
toxic cradle
I did it
tacit current
nice
Sooo im starting to think getting out of the magic universe is going to be much harder than getting in
karmic juniper
thank god. now do the other 4 stars of it.
at least I think thats one of the achivements with levels
I might just objectively be wrong
tacit current
I am going to need every tv remote in existance to turn this thing on
karmic juniper
Just turn off every house.
tacit current
can't say that would be a good idea
karmic juniper
Pshaw
tacit current
Seems cheese is the source of my military might.
these showed up at exactly the same time
toxic cradle
When do I get my achievement for unification?
tacit current
did you occupy all three with the same method?
raw gazelle
I think there is a research at this point that should let you unify?
tacit current
just getting unification isn't an achievement
its the different methods that have achievements, plus pacifist
toxic cradle
yeah, all military
I know it's all the same and figured military would be awkward so did that first
tacit current
yea it is kinda, still need to do it myself (thinking about trying to do it with phoenix now)
and you researched unification? its an early space age tech
can't recall what triggers the opening of early space techs, but it is usually fairly easy to at least unlock it
toxic cradle
I don't see unification is the thing
ok, looked at the wiki, need to get to the mars equivalent first
I'm right at that point, so shouldn't take long
toxic cradle
finally
toxic cradle
The most BS thing just happened, I had my taxes maxed out since my morale was still maxed even at max, but I got an event where I had riots due to high taxes and it said widespread damage caused the loss of a resource, turns out that resource was population and it took 75% of my active population, pretty much immediately killing my entire economy
I didn't even know that event existed, but it's insanely BS that it took my population down
any other resource I would be ok-ish with
but my population grows so slowly
tacit current
Hot damn, don't think I have ever had a high tax riot before.
toxic cradle
This'll take a while, guess I'm afk-ing for a full day
since I really am not bothered in building more of the really awkward to make material buildings just to reduce it to at most like 5 hours anyways, I'll just wait the extra time
I know I'll need more helium than I can currently hold for the next and final step, so I'll work on that then just leave for a day
tacit current
grrr can't get the other heat species to roll
just nuked the phoenixes and im trying to go salamander but it only gives me phoenix when I reach sentience
tacit current
ok I think the species you get is sorta seeded based on what stuff you build in cell stage
toxic cradle
This final step will take a while it seems, need 100 segments, and I am limited by a resource you can't buy on the market
tacit current
||neutroinum||?
toxic cradle
ye
tacit current
do you have ziggurats?
toxic cradle
no
I only have one research option available to me, and I simply am not gonna get it, since that too requires a resource I can't market and a lot of it
so I'll just wait the over a day to finish this then reset
tacit current
sounds like ||infernite|| maybe ||soul gems||
tacit current
ohhhh factory material
toxic cradle
There's also just a research bottleneck
It'll be much simpler to just wait and reset when it's available
toxic cradle
turns out the tech was actually quite significant
increased factory production by around 50%
I just noticed I was basically maxed out on a bunch of resources, so much so that I could just 100% some A.R.P.A. projects with a single click
so super collider is level 11, stock exchange is 6, statue is 10
tacit current
yeee arpas are really nice
toxic cradle
Gotta say, I love the gene perk that just lets you start with the building and research queue
moreso for the research more than anything, since early game is when you need to click a lot of the research
and it lets me keep the tab down for longer without wasting
nova night
i been playing theory of magic and idle loops again
raw gazelle
I just finished a 3rd run of theory. Good stuff but I think I've hit the end of current content on til they season in winter again
scenic mortar
what games are the past couple screenshots from?
toxic cradle
what games are the past couple screenshots from?
scenic mortar
just the one? lol
toxic cradle
I posted the past couple screenshots, and it's just this one game
scenic mortar
m'raider posted some too
toxic cradle
That goes past "a couple", but yeah, still same game
toxic cradle
yea.... had about 2400 when I loaded my save
This is the first image I can find which isn't the same game, and idk what game it is
tacit current
That one is "Kill the lich"
that was my stack of offline time
https://stopsign.github.io/KTL/
scenic mortar
sad news for steam achievement nerds 😔
toxic cradle
turns out the tech was actually quite significant
5 days later, and I'm back here
Should I have done more MAD's for CRISPR perks? probably, am I here again anyways? yeah
Since I do not have tier 2 religion unlocked, and something in the back of my mind is telling me that you should've probably had that before doing bioseeding
tacit current
would have helped
but make sure to try and max out your spent knowledge and max population
bioseeding gives plasmids at a higher ratio
toxic cradle
I'm aware, especially given my first bioseed, I managed to spend all my plasmids before and I have this
Which you'll note is slightly above the soft cap
After this bioseed, I'll probably do some MAD to clean up the cheaper CRISPR perks
toxic cradle
banging research options available
karmic juniper
Dear gods
toxic cradle
My guess is that I get more stuff once this is done, which it isn't gonna be done since reset
karmic juniper
oh yeah
drowsy swan
Oh hey, Evolve. I should get back to that
drowsy swan
Looks like I left off on a gold star Trolls run, on a retrograde grassland planet, in antimatter.
toxic cradle
that's a lot of words I don't know the specifics of
drowsy swan
Many planets have exploded
Many planets have not exploded and instead got into space. At least once, very far into space.
tacit current
gold star is number of challenges enabled
retrograde grassland planet will make sense when you bioseed
antimater is a VERY long way away
drowsy swan
At least twice into deep space looking at my mastery numbers, actually. I think I remember why I'm in antimatter now, but not why I went somewhere else first and then left.
Stats page if you want to see one further ahead, spoilered in case you don't.
toxic cradle
Managed to bioseed right before I went to sleep yesterday, but I was so tired, I forgot to do any CRISPR upgrades, oh well :p
At least I decided to just MAD this time, but I will be spending a lot
toxic cradle
Ready for MAD, now I just need to unlock CRISPR so I can spend my bloody points
toxic cradle
spent my points, got new religion mechanics
solemn glacier
Sooooooo thing has been bothering me
I reset the entire universe
How are there precursor artifacts?
karmic juniper
...... I guess you didn't reset the universe hard enough?
solemn glacier
It's just somthing that bothered me cause I found the precursor precursor stuff and my brain went wait a minute, I reset the universe, TWICE, that shouldn't exist
But also, I've not even reached intersteller probes yet. Even if the previous reset was from a seed ship HOW THE HELL WOULD YOU KNOW THEY EXIST?
We're talking 10s of millions of years MINIMUM for life to go from goo to sapient consciousness and that's a long ass time for something to happen to the space probe that kickstarted things by landing on the planet in a, presumably, advantageous spot
You've not even left the system yet! How do you know the people who seeded your planet had a precursor?
Gurm the game mechanic hurts my brain
It strains credulity too much!
drowsy swan
My save has had planets where dozens of MADs have happened upon them.
Some of those species' religions probably just dug through the ash layers and found something.
solemn glacier
Yeah when you MAD it makes sense
But not when you reset the entire universe multiple times
wild prism
the sight of the missiles arming fills you with DETERMINATION.
tacit current
It's just somthing that bothered me cause I found the precursor precursor stuff ...
genetic memory, previous species leave an imprint of their active makeup
solemn glacier
But the universe reset, it wasn't a bioseeding
It was Oopsie we broke physics by putting nono stuff in the nono place
drowsy swan
Life, uh, found a way
toxic cradle
I do have to say this tech is one of my favourite jokes in the game
Every reset, a different cheese to bank
drowsy swan
Theres even a wiki page about cheese
I probably could have done this yesterday but forgot, woops.
Plus side, I was able to cram in more pops and soldiers because I had a lot of resources to spend
toxic cradle
got a hooved species, and since I know if I unlock copper, the horseshoes become copper, I'm just coasting with lumber for as long as possible
This won't last too long since copper is needed for every crafted good given a foundry needs copper, but I can stockpile for a while
toxic cradle
Just unlocked copper and damn this is an expensive copper cost for just unlocking it :p
unlocked iron and it's immediately swapped to iron too, really abused the lumber costs
because yeah, horseshoe material changes after number of horseshoes assuming you have the material unlocked
toxic cradle
I love when I leave my game for a couple hours to see I have only 5 population since the rest starved
drowsy swan
oops
drowsy swan
Yeah, mine gave me some of everything i had unlocked (coal, anti-plasmids, phage, dark energy, harmony crystals)
toxic cradle
Yeah, I only have up to phage, so makes sense I only get up to that
toxic cradle
got the doubled research queue, and this is just satisfying
tacit current
Another game from the Lyca dev
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4194800/Starvester/
toxic cradle
My miserable saps are done, now they can finally be happy
drowsy swan
My antimatter fungi will be going to space, I have run out of races to explode on this retrograde grassland
gotta go find an ocean or a forest
toxic cradle
idk how to get to antimatter, but I have heard it exists
solemn glacier
Wouldn't the whole universe have to be antimatter for that to not causes intense problems?
And if that's the case, then it's just "normal" matter
raw gazelle
What's the matter there?
karmic juniper
fungi, made of antimatter.
karmic juniper
Wouldn't the whole universe have to be antimatter for that to not causes intense...
uhhh probably yes.
but its technically what we would know as antimatter.
its just that our universe would be antimatter to that universe and vise versa.
solemn glacier
H ere's the fun thing. There is no way to communicate the EXACT chirality of a thing without everyone already having an understanding and agreement on which side is the "correct" one
Meaning, if we ever meet aliens we and establish communications there is no way of knowing which chirality they have until we physically interact
Meaning, in theory, you shake hands and everything explodes because they're antimatter
Of course they would have exploded long before that point, but details
This also applies to biology too. So you won't know if they're "anti-life" (meaning left-handed life) until you look at thier molecules and that could be VERY VERY VERY BAD for all parties involved
Even if we assume that they're from a world like ours with a strong magnetic field and you say "face north, the side to the east is left" you can't know what direction thier north is because magnetic fields are symmetrical, the earth undergoes periodic pole flips, and the only reason maps orient the way they do is because someone ARBITARIALLY decided that direction was the top. Before compasses they used to orient towards the sunrise (if memory serves), meaning east was the "top" of the map. When magnets got made someone got to arbitrarily decide which side of the map was the "top" and, because this system was made by Europeans, they decided they were on the top
Meaning if the Incans had been the one to invent this shit and become the dominate culture on the globe the map would, very likely, be "upside down"
Chirality is purely relative and there's no OBJECTIVE way to communicate it because, for instances where it matters, all that matters is that the things that depend on chirality all use the SAME chirality
And the matter/antimatter thing was simply a result of "which one was there slightly more of when everything finished canceling each other out (for reasons we don't understand)"
So aliens from this reality are probably made of matter. I don't remember if there's an anti-photon or not or if an anti-photon would actually function like a normal photon
But also photons aren't matter so I don't think it matters
Yeah, photons don't have a charge (they're thier own antiparticle) so the chirality of the emission source doesn't matter
The Milky Way could be a weird bubble of matter in a sea of antimatter
Which is terrifying to think about
karmic juniper
I found a new addiction. send help.
I mean sure I could accept that this second run is almost always on the impossible point and I should reset, or, I could keep pushing, slightly further, pushing to the next hill.
although I think thats happened enough and Ill probably be going fairly reset heavy in a short while grabbing all the cauldrons and some other goodies and what not.
wild prism
if magic research is so good how come they never made a magic research tw- oh they did
drowsy swan
idk how to get to antimatter, but I have heard it exists
Just gotta go further beyond bioseed, it'll take awhile.
toxic cradle
I figured as much
I do know the first step to take if you're trying to go past bioseeding, just found no reason to go past it currently
like, I just unlocked governers for my current run, and man, that's real helpful
drowsy swan
governors are so good
These fungi should blast off into space sometime tonight, get a small pile of gold star achievements I didn't have yet
toxic cradle
Before I even think about progressing past bioseed, I'll probably want to grab all the perks currently highlighted here, maybe even recombinant DNA, but this will take many a few runs, especially when making sure I still have enough plasmids to have the max effect from them
and after grabbing all those things, more things I might want could also appear
hell, might add Devotion to my list of "do before progressing further"
drowsy swan
The cost creep and storage effect lines are all good yeah, metaphase can add up over time, rigourous is very good
currently sitting on a sizable-looking pile of unspent anti-plasmids because eventually I will leave here and the later parts of this set of perks will start helping.
toxic cradle
The cost creep and storage effect lines are all good yeah, metaphase can add up ...
I did do the maths on Metaphase, and it was gonna be around 20 resets before it starts actually paying out
and it could be more depending on how quickly I start resetting
since it costs 165 plasmids, and by the time I reset, it would typically give me 7 more plasmids than if I didn't have it
so the quick napkin maths is around 23 resets before I get value
drowsy swan
If thats all MADs you could go through most of the non-special species with that many
toxic cradle
oh, if you just go to MADs, you're not even getting any value from it
since you need to mutate your genome at least 4 times to start getting value from it, and if you're going for MAD, you will not get that many
since that one is 5 plasmids, and you already have one that's 3 plasmids from before, so you only start getting value from the 4th genome mutation onwards, so it's only helpful if you're going past MAD
If you go past bioseed, you will be getting even more value though
drowsy swan
True, though challenge gene MADs are already slower anyways so I'll occasionally have let it idle into getting somw free plasmids
toxic cradle
yeah, if you're doing a challenge run, you will be getting more value
simply because you have more time to mutate
drowsy swan
looked as far back as I can in the progress message log, I've gotten at least 15 anti-plasmids during this gold star bioseed from metaphase
last three were all +5
drowsy swan
more of them than I thought actually
rigid orchid
Huh, yeah, Magic Research 2 is pretty good.
karmic juniper
Was it not supposed to be?
rigid orchid
I was kinda tepid on it the first time through
Turns out a single prestige makes the game way less sloggy
karmic juniper
if you mean retirement? yeah that eases things. although at least for me its still been a big sloggy. god damned random events.
to get certain meta upgrades you just get to sit around and wait, and you can only get one of each branch a run. and its just. lovely.
and not the sit around and waiting that typically gives progress I mean just waiting for a 5-6% chance of a thing happening. gonna be so real. I hate that. I hate that a lot. everything else has been great though.
nova night
honestly i just kept goofing around then found out the way to get the op combo
karmic juniper
I crave death
karmic juniper
honestly i just kept goofing around then found out the way to get the op combo
I dunno any "op" combos, but Im romping my way through bending and breaking things as I go.
nova night
it possable to stack all the power up spells at the same time in a endless loop once you got enough mana
karmic juniper
.......
thats not an OP combo
thats a literal mechanic called perma casting
where you just have ever buff always running
its great
and a lot of the harder fights seem to assume you'll be doing that
nova night
i cant explain farther without spoiling details
karmic juniper
If you says so
karmic juniper
I have learned the power of unpaid labor friendhip!
let me in. please. game. just give me the random.
yes that is with "Bend The Odds" permacast.
I crave death.
raw gazelle
For the guaranteed, always a chance something will happen sooner.....(and might be worth letting it idle. Maybe. I'm bad at that myself)
karmic juniper
oh Im more than happy to just wait here for a long long while.
its just
ya know
waiting
full context in spoilers becuase its an event and I feel like discovering those oneself is the fun part.
I dunno what it is
but I wantses it
karmic juniper
MR2 storyline ||sweats looking at my mound of 200,00 poison prisms am.... am I the wealthman?||
||or well I had 200,000, Im down to like 27K because I needed a bigger house. Im astounded that the price of them hasn't crashed and burned.||
karmic juniper
I have found and automated even better items. yeeesss. yeeeeeessssss.
THE FACTORY MUST GROW!
rigid orchid
How often do ya'll reset in Evolve?
I'm crawling my way through the solar system and don't know when's the best time to hit the nukes.
solemn glacier
Almost never
I've reset like 6 times total I think
Never used nukes
Pretty sure I'm playing it wrong
raw gazelle
a lot and a little? but i also had used a script helping get certain achievos done and always gotta get them plasmids.
drowsy swan
If you're going for challenge gene MADs to fill in mastery levels, not all that often because gold star slows down a lot.
The wiki page on resets has a calculator for it, but it boils down to 'build as many housing, barracks, and completed researches as reasonable' if you are going for that.
If you're gonig for bioseed or beyond, mutual destruction is just more research number for later.
tacit current
How often do ya'll reset in Evolve?
For a while I was nuking a species as soon as I could in order to raise my mastery rank with challenge genes
usually was picking no manual crafting and no bulk trading, so I would get two stars on said species
toxic cradle
I've not touched a challenge yet, and I haven't done many MADs, already going bioseed, just leaving things to accrue in the background for long enough works fine
drowsy swan
Its a good thing this time I only wanted to get to nukes, junk gene put hooves on these octopi.
toxic cradle
the "now we wait" portion of my evolve run
got my double speed for the entire thing though, so will just be 2 hours
maybe a bit longer if I realize I slightly went under my helium target for prepping the ship, but that can be fixed with a bit of market magic so I'm not too worried
toxic cradle
Market without trade routes always looks a bit dumb, remember seeing it during my genetic dead end, but the fact it's just a list of resources with nothing else is just like "yeah sure, it exists, nothing to do here though"
Since I decided since I only really need plasmids for more crispr stuff, I'd do some MAD runs, and might as well turn challenges on
did all but the plasmid challenge
drowsy swan
Two of them just make it more idle and one may or may not cause trouble, but the plasmid one can hurt yeah
(the plasmid one gets replaced with weak mastery in antimatter, which is both better and worse)
toxic cradle
I'm planning on idling a decent chunk anyways, so it works out
if I don't do this, I will just start market manipulation unintentionally
drowsy swan
Just looked at what Verrazzano cheevo actually gives at max and, well. That will certainly help locate a planet I want.
toxic cradle
I presume each rank is +1 planet
toxic cradle
Gotta love that even though I know I have some negative trait, I literally don't know what it is, it's not an obvious one and I've checked some of the resource values and stuff like that in case there were any obvious modifiers
solemn glacier
What if it's hidden until you identify it
drowsy swan
You do get told it in the gene lab
but unless its something obvious like hooved it usually doesn't stand out before then
solemn glacier
Yeah but you gotta get there first
toxic cradle
Given I'm just gonna go for MAD, I might not even see the genes before blowing myself up
solemn glacier
You're just gonna end a whole civilization just like that
Fucking callous as shit deity you are
toxic cradle
From the earth they shall rise and to the earth they shall return
only that'll happen multiple times, and it won't be fungus on all those times
drowsy swan
I have Cath on a Permafrost Trashed Oceanic planet, its a wonder they can even find all the food they do.
toxic cradle
I'm on a toxic trashed forest planet, and I'm only planning on making it more toxic with multiple civilisation ending events on this one world
It's only getting more toxic and trashed from here
drowsy swan
A forest is actually where I'm looking for
toxic cradle
I had one rank of verazzano and 3 probes, so I had 5 planets and the forest looked the best for my plan of "constant annihilation"
drowsy swan
The two fey races are the only ones I have unlocked who I have not blown up at 4* yet, both in general and in antimatter
toxic cradle
that's a lot of icons
drowsy swan
last time I was poking at evolve was 'ok now how do I get out of the magic universe', and a first fourth prestige to get my first harmony crystals
Probably going to go for a series of bioseeds after the fey to fill out more greatness events, then see if I can beat EM Field.
Start with 25 Steel.
even a base difficulty completion of it would be good, but I could try for more than that. There are further bonuses than this one.
toxic cradle
Do I wait and see what I have, or do I just explode right now
Guess we'll never know what my negative gene is
karmic juniper
the kitty spiral begins
toxic cradle
It's annoying you can't get a governer if you're doing anarchy, I just figured if I'm doing mastery run, I should do one more anarchist run since that's got a perk associated with it
drowsy swan
No government no governor, sadly
toxic cradle
I know it makes sense, but it's annoying
karmic juniper
yes thats. yeah anarchy is a bad system of government.
toxic cradle
It's pretty decent for the genetic dead end though, up to a point
it's the best for morale, but the straight up anarchy malus will start being a huge problem more so than a shot in the mud morale
once you get to high population counts
toxic cradle
that's that done
karmic juniper
yay
drowsy swan
hurray
toxic cradle
entrepreneur is a pretty good governor when you don't have free trade, more for less, and I can always just chuck stone or lumber away to make up the sell quota
karmic juniper
Oooorb!
drowsy swan
Away go the cats, here come Elliptical Flare Swamp Satyrs
toxic cradle
That's a lot of achievements
toxic cradle
Finally got a run where I got to see what my junk gene was, and yeah, this really don't matter, iron and steel are not the stumbling blocks of any run I do
I was planning on bioseeding this run anyways, might do all my future runs with these 3 challenges for a big silver star
definitely want my plasmid bonus right now though
it is nice seeing my wall of minor traits though, since putting one phage in each seemed good just so I have them all
drowsy swan
I am low on phage because I've put two in everything, and five each in content/ambi/metallurgist (morale, crafters, alloys)
toxic cradle
Yeah, that makes sense, if I had the phage, I probably would put 5 in those three
drowsy swan
It does start upgrading things once you start going beyond base achivements
toxic cradle
I will be starting to do everything with my silver star, so I should be getting decent perks from whatever achievements that give perks
drowsy swan
You get the standard universe stars from anywhere, so if you want to get more per silver star, technically going for any level of black hole first could be better.
toxic cradle
Given I've not black holed once yet, patience
karmic juniper
I keep generating more mana than I can physically spend.
and that feels
problematic.
I feel like I should get an achivement or debuff for this and yet. nothing.
toxic cradle
Who needs free trade or crafting when you physically can't trade or manually craft the things here anyways :p
Really is just slowing the start, but at this point, the necessary resources are just slow to get regardless
toxic cradle
Honestly, was expecting at least one "achievement upgraded" here
toxic cradle
I do wonder why this tech always shows up when I pick no free trade, I literally can't use you, yes I will research you just because it'd annoy me seeing it but like, can you just not
toxic cradle
Gotta love wendigoes, hunger for souls so much, can barely keep any stockpile
at least I don't need anyone hunting for souls
karmic juniper
Interesting
solemn glacier
How do I get Titanium agian in Evolve?
drowsy swan
Same way as Steel, trade until you get a tech to smelt it
solemn glacier
Ah
solemn glacier
Nah, trying to avoid doing that
Buuuut I also hard reset soooo that's likely not the best idea
Like I have the military techs because furs and also bloodyhellfoodissohardtocomeby
drowsy swan
The earlier you are the more relevant the grain silo gets as more buffer space
solemn glacier
I'm kinda impressed how far I've managed to get without using crates/containers (except for Steel and then an obscene amount in Food)
tacit current
I forgot I had pokeidle running
toxic cradle
You also could probably loot it
You specifically cannot loot titanium unless you've got a very specific trait
It's just "trade until you get the tech to make it yourself" which said tech also takes titanium
karmic juniper
I did it! I beat the first ending of Magic Research 2!
nova night
good job
solemn glacier
Does anyone here play Upload Labs? I can't get the AI to work. I've dumped a bunch of text and have had the GPUs doing nothing but feeding it but it won't generate anything
tacit current
Does anyone here play Upload Labs? I can't get the AI to work. I've dumped a bun...
played a bit before they did 2.0 update
Reset and havent gone back yet
Can't remember what "AI" is refering to, but do you have its output(s) hooked up?
drowsy swan
These dryads, having realized there was a previous civilization of dryads destroyed by sun-like destruction, have decided they need to either destroy the sun or at least find a planet that doesn't get ignited by solar flares irregularly.
boreal thicket
I did it! I beat the *first ending* of Magic Research 2!
Gotta grab it at some point - thoroughly enjoyed the demo to the point of helping compile event triggers for it and so on.
toxic cradle
I got my ants worshipping their antcestors so they can more efficiently work as a hive, it's pretty good
karmic juniper
Gotta grab it at some point - thoroughly enjoyed the demo to the point of helpin...
It’s got some issues but, it’s been fun to have running. Especially for the rock bottom price.
toxic cradle
Time to go for the next restart mechanic
toxic cradle
just about done
toxic cradle
huh, why didn't we invent this earlier?
karmic juniper
huh, why didn't we invent this earlier?
Huh. Why didn’t we?
drowsy swan
Nobody thought of it until now
toxic cradle
I know there's an achievement for not defending the hell fortress while you have a marine garrison, but damn does random event take a while to fire
karmic juniper
Ah yeah you recreate the events of Doom.
(That’s not a spoiler right? Everyone remembers the plot of the first doom game right?)
drowsy swan
i don't think its a spoiler yeah
pearl tusk
Isnt clock the simplest incremental game?
toxic cradle
I'm sitting here still waiting for my damn achievement
quite literally waiting at this point, I got nothing else to do while waiting for an achievement that's RNG based
toxic cradle
I give up, I'm progressing and getting that achievement on a later run
drowsy swan
I've had it show up while waiting for the bioseed ship, or not until way later
toxic cradle
neat
drowsy swan
Soon
drowsy swan
Couple more bioseeds to go
toxic cradle
Getting close to my next tier reset
toxic cradle
Damn, this'll take longer than expected
drowsy swan
Yeah prestige 3 is, uh. Not short.
toxic cradle
I saw on the wiki what I need and this'll be a while
I didn't realize how long the numbers take to go up
drowsy swan
You can speed it up by making other numbers yet-bigger, but you probably are going to be fighting cost creep
toxic cradle
Yeah, I was planning on doing all the numbers up while waiting
drowsy swan
Also I would suggest not doing what I did first lol ||The magic universe version took even longer because instead of black hole go boom you have to build 80 mana syphon arpa projects. Felt like digging uphill bothways having way less mastery than I have now but still trying to force silver star vacuum collapse to work||
toxic cradle
I did hear about someone mentioning that it seemed like a bad idea a lot earlier here
toxic cradle
wow, 1/100th of satan :)
was hoping to get it at 0.01234567, but went slightly early
toxic cradle
almost there
For the achievements
I'm debating either Antimatter or Micro universe, idk which to pick right now
Micro would probably be easiest to leave
Starting in micro, decided to put every challenge gene on now so I also don't have plasmids, we'll see how well this goes, can always MAD if I change my mind
drowsy swan
Micro does have its own special cheevos
pearl tusk
"Kin and Quarry" video tomorrow? since its out now
pearl tusk
nvm its out now
toxic cradle
man, I forgot how slow the game is when you have no plasmids
drowsy swan
Its still faster than before with whatever percent mastery you have.
toxic cradle
I know, but I'm used to having multiple hundred extra percent of production
drowsy swan
Combo of bleeding effect (so only 2.5% of my normal plasmids apply here), low phage for softcap upping, and weak mastery cutting the bonus to 1/10th (1/5th for crafting) slowing me down in anti
drowsy swan
Ants?
solemn glacier
Manti
toxic cradle
All the insect races give +4, just the ants get the hivemind specific trait which scales of population
drowsy swan
oh yeah
toxic cradle
It's random, but yeah, steel from attacking
once you get any amount of steel, you can start trading for it
and you only need 25 steel to get steel smelting, so you don't even need that much
and if you don't want to attack, after some amount of time if you have trade posts, you can just get a bit of steel as an event and can start trading from then
solemn glacier
Yeah I know you can trade for it
That's usually how I do it cause I don't bother with attacking. Seems pointless
I also just got 112 steel
toxic cradle
Got so many plasmids :)
karmic juniper
toxic cradle
3.92% is a good bonus
karmic juniper
I see.
hallow perch
toxic cradle
You can't loot titanium unless you've got a specific trait that lets you
toxic cradle
If you could loot titanium, it could easily convince me to not unify just so I could constantly loot it
solemn glacier
I mean don't you have to unify to get later techs?
toxic cradle
I know you can get to bioseeding without unifying
So if there are any techs locked behind it, then it'll be later than that
But I don't think there are
I mean, there's literally an achievement for bioseeding without unifying
solemn glacier
Huh
drowsy swan
Yeah, the only thing with a pre-req of Unification on the wiki is...the other Unification tech, which actually does the things instead of being the pre-req one that comes up with the idea
Also, theres an achievement for successful black hole w/o anything on your local mars, which locks you out of the tech you would need to get unification (Colonization)
rigid orchid
What were some of the earliest short-play incremental games?
I'm thinking To The Core, Gnorp, and Nodebuster
But were there any others that came before?
Right now I'm trying to figure out what was the "progenitor" incremental game, and it seems like the current trend is largely spun out from Nodebuster's formula.
karmic juniper
I beat that one planet mining game in a couple hours…. To the Core was great and sho- in the time it took me to find the name you already listed it.
Welp
Tower Wizard took me I wanna say like 2 sittings to beat? steam says 28 hours total to 100% so that was probably an overnight session at most.
Dice People. That one was really really good for taking essentially no time at all.
tacit current
Gnorp spawned a few varients
rigid orchid
Yeah, looking at my library, it's probably those three that set the trend.
Surprisingly few followed To The Core's example
Which is honestly a damn shame, cause that was actually fun.
karmic juniper
I broke that one on accident and now I can't play it because I literally have too many upgrades.
"on accident" this time legitimately because I just started at some point producing endless dark matter that let me max out every upgrade in the game. I dont know when or how that started.
yeah going through my library those original 3 you listed are really the best early examples I know of.
raw gazelle
I feel like there's a few flash games, but that's hard to find/check at this point
loud nacelle
What were some of the earliest short-play incremental games?
- Universal Paperclips
- Antimatter Dimensions started out as web browser game I think about 9-10 years agon that was relatively short before it got expanded upon in the following years
there's another sitting in the back of my mind that I need to sit on and try to think of
karmic juniper
I mean if we're using ORIGINAL published states, Cookie Clicker was extremely short on content at first launch and even then had nothing to really do.
Which given that you can no longer play that version I believe thats an unreasonable comparason to the current day.
loud nacelle
well Wander's asking for the earliest short play incremental games
and I think AD had enough gaps in its development that it can be considered one of the earliest short-play incrementals
cause it was
it's just not short-play now
rigid orchid
I mean the ones with actual gameplay. 
loud nacelle
there's actual gameplay to both of those but that's my opinion
I wouldn't've spent 800 hours on AD otherwise lol
rigid orchid
If there's gameplay in AD, it's definitely too far in for it to count in my book.
I sunk ~20 hours in and found nothing.
It's fine as an idle game, but it's not what I'm looking for.
loud nacelle
yeah
what happened is that it started out as a web game a while ago
and then the dev kept expanding upon it after having ideas and made it actually interesting after the Inifinity stage
the Infinity stage is your bog standard Idle/Incremental
they just never redeved the beginning as far as I'm aware
loud nacelle
there's another sitting in the back of my mind that I need to sit on and try to ...
OH IT WAS INCRELUTION
tacit current
thanks for the reminder, Terraformental launches on steam in 8 days
raw gazelle
That'll be fun to get back to. Didn't check for updates any time recently.
I'd almost say defend your castle by xgen could be considered a first. One goal is to get all the stuff so you don't have to click as much. Dunno how much that counts tho
drowsy swan
Coal, which goes from 'yeah thats a lot' to 'throw the traders at it' as soon as you actually want the bioseed ship done in hours instead of days
toxic cradle
new star sign day
drowsy swan
drowsy swan
This desert doesn't have much to it for bioseed cheevos
But it does have some nice deposits, so time for the ents to return for a go at succeeding at TP2
cyclops and ents also will be a really good pair of fanaticisms to grab for the next plan that probably sounds like nonsense if you have not looked at much of the evolve wiki: 4* capybara emf pillar banana smoothie
that will probably take ages to finish, but it will have so many rewards if they pull it off.
toxic cradle
Probably should've expected this, but man, no starting plasmids makes this take forever
wary quarry
What were some of the earliest short-play incremental games?
Interesting to think about
There are some of the skill tree based ones. Like Max Manos, Digseum, Dice People, Deep Space Cache, Cauldron, and Xenosensory.
While I'm at it, another interesting subgenre of idle / incremental game are the desktop ones, like Rusty's Retirement, My Little Life, and Ropuka's Idle Island.
solar bronze
What were some of the earliest short-play incremental games?
candy box 1 or 2 pretty sure both are ancient and i dont recall 2 being that long
drowsy swan
I may have forgotten just how slowed to a crawl true path does to a run
but the ents slog forwards, they are almost to the space dock.
raw gazelle
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3762790/Terraformental/ now released on steam, in early access
karmic juniper
interesting
raw gazelle
Wander has at least 1 vid on a version before it got to the current amount of locations. Think idleloops but as a metroidvania progression of sorts? I know those words seem weird together... but yeah
rigid orchid
It's like if Increlution was deeper and had more exploration.
karmic juniper
It’s been fun watching text adventures revive themselves through the idle genre.
toxic cradle
I have played the not steam version to basically completion, I had like a couple things left but it was a lot of "do an entire loop for 5 seconds of progress" kind and I really didn't care enough
tacit current
yea Terraformental is different from Increlution in that you don't have endless speed growth.
You get better by learning different ways to do things as you progress though loops.
Like instead of driving cross country, you learn how to fix the train and take that to your destination.
solemn glacier
I AM DISSAPOINT!
I have evolved a species without mitochondria and the game does not give a single solitary fuck
patent mural
solemn glacier
I think this is the post that taught me he was the cookie clicker dev. Before that he was just amusing internet person
karmic juniper
https://www.tpmblr.com/orteil42/804612735762628608
“I invented ADHD cocaine, I will not apologize” -Ortell probably.
tacit current
played demo from a while ago
seemed well put together with a few unique mechanics
solemn glacier
“I invented ADHD cocaine, I will not apologize” -Ortell probably.
Ortell seems like the kind of dude who walks up to the pearly gates and Peter goes "you know you're going to hell right?" "Yeah, that tracks. Did you enjoy the game though?" "Yes, also, I hate you"
karmic juniper
checks out
solemn glacier
And then he'd get down there and have almost the exact same conversation with Lucifer
And his eternal punishment is just deving Cookie Clicker for eternity
scenic mortar
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3829620/Execute/
it's interesting, i barely got the speedrun achievement on my 2nd run
drowsy swan
toxic cradle
almost there
drowsy swan
Lazy and Dumb has been horrible to dig through on top of the truepath downsides
Bad Genes and Weak Genes
The No Starting Plasmids and Junk Gene Challenge Genes are replaced by Bad Genes and Weak Genes.Bad Genes
Gain 1 random strong bad trait and 2 random weakened bad traits.If a preexisting negative trait is chosen, it will be made into a worse version of it.
The possible bad traits are the same as for Junk Gene.Weak Genes
Mastery is reduced to 20%.
Plasmid and Anti-Plasmid production bonus reduced to 50%.
Plasmid storage bonus reduced to 25% and Anti-Plasmid storage bonus reduced to 12.5%.
Phage storage bonus reduced to 16.7%.Higher Base Costs
The costs for things that exist on the Standard path are higher.
Money costs are 3x normal.
Resource costs are 2x normal.
Knowledge costs and Special resources such as Plasmids are not affected.Market Costs
The value of all Trade Market goods is 2x higher than normal.Taxes
Tax income is 50% lower than normal.
Merchandising no longer causes Temple to boost taxes; instead it causes temples to directly generate income.The income per temple depends on how many worshippers (citizens) each temple serves.Money
Bank stores 25% more money.
Casino stores 50% more money.Morale
The morale minimum is lowered by 25%.Fuel Costs
Static fuel costs are increased by 25% and active fuel cost are increased by 150%.
toxic cradle
that's painful
drowsy swan
Theres some powerful bonuses for going even further past tp bioseed and getting to the three new prestiges, but I absolutely do not have the prestige built up to consider them.
solemn glacier
Why would you even do that?
drowsy swan
nova night
https://cultivationchronicles.pages.dev/zhenxun for the dao lovers
karmic juniper
Oooh that seems like good dumb fun.
karmic juniper
alright I tried that its
......
its really not great.
you're dropped in with like 8 systems none of which explain themselves
drowsy swan
oof
karmic juniper
you have deciples, who defend territory, and you can fight people, or farm things, or just do your cultivation, or hire a blacksmith to do..... something.....
and theres comprehending the Dao which..... was gaining progression towards something and it just....
the one guide you are given is about how ascentions work, and how to consider your choices in relation to that. except. to get there. you just have to KNOW how this all works. oh and to be clear: those were the starter systems, there were like 12 more that were greyed out that I couldnt access that I presume have the same quality of "tutorial"
that guide btw is just a wall of text.
its.... I want to like it. it has the depth and interweaving I like (or at least I think it does) but good gods it just.
you are not started off with 3 buttons and just told to figure it out ala idle loops. you're given 27 buttons and at least 15 resources none of which want to explain themselves.
I mean theres probably a really decent idler in there I just.... do not have the patience to figure it out.
karmic juniper
ORBSSSSS
okay cool so basically things are continuing to change and evolve.
neato.
solemn glacier
One day orb will evolve into cube
And then cube into tesseract
And from there it will eventually evolve into an nth dimensional solid
karmic juniper
No. No cube. Merely multi dimensional orb.
An orb so perfect that it can roll between dimensions.
solemn glacier
A normal orb already does that
It rolls through the three spatial dimensions and the temporal dimension
karmic juniper
But it could roll between more.
karmic juniper
Barumph
drowsy swan
Orb does not worry if it is rolling through real or math space, only that it is going.
wild prism
honest nymph
oh no, successfully got the assassinate in vahalla in omniloops
nova night
i dont have that choice in my run is it diffent depending on the bowser
tacit current
could be different version or just didn't have a certain requirment
honest nymph
it unlocks later once you find the ||assassins guild in commerceville||
drowsy swan
Step 1 of the banana republic side of this run done
toxic cradle
Decided to start Omsiloop, currently fully explored the beginning town and roughly half people found and investigated, it's an interesting one
nova night
oh snap theory of magic had a sudden update
unique swift
Oh god, I accidentally opened Theory of Magic and it's all different, there's so much new stuff
My Dwarves resigned???
But there's crafting????
tacit current
oh jeez
yea they added a LOT
Did you scroll down on main tab?
think im going to need a new apprentice to learn all this stuff
unique swift
Yeah
I probably shouldn’t have clicked all the quests and stuff, I could’ve used it as a checklist
nova night
the spell sorting along with the potion sorting helpped me find stuff a lot easie4r
karmic juniper
Oooooh. Games called Theory of Magic?
tacit current
karmic juniper
Thx
drowsy swan
My capybara in the long evolve run have an infernite income that I don't have to rebuild every time I look back over at them. Good progress.
tacit current
I am concerned that I got these at the same time
unique swift
Oh yeah, those, I don’t think I ever tried absorbing any, I think there’s one more summon above black hole
Oh right, it's not above, but next to
unique swift
I also did this, which I'm sure they patched out
No, you are not supposed to have all of those
karmic juniper
I seeeee
unique swift
I should've gone all the way with the good path first, but I wanted debitomancy
I'm going to be so busy
I already did all the instant ones, this section was twice as big before
karmic juniper
Oh my
tacit current
I just clicked them all and let my four timeline selves do them
unique swift
I can only do 6 things at once, and I used up all my codices, so I have to build them back up
Also, all my equipment is useless now, and I had to resummon my Legally Distinct Mjolnir
karmic juniper
…… Thor, the god of thunder from Norse Mythology. His hammer. Isn’t in the public domain?
The dinky crappy version from marvel sure. But the actual thing?
unique swift
He wouldn't take kindly to me stealing it
unique swift
I can't be bothered to deal with that
karmic juniper
Yes that did end poorly for the last person who did that.
unique swift
And can you imagine if he heard I made another one?
tacit current
aww, just noticed automaton army is gone 🙁
tacit current
no I remember that at least
im trying to figure out where this automatic spell thing I unlocked when I first loaded my save
but can't rememeber the name of it
tacit current
im trying to figure out where this automatic spell thing I unlocked when I first...
figured out what it was
these two let you set scrolls and codex binding as looping actions
unique swift
Yeah, but what if I want to use my autoclicker?
tacit current
and run out of mana instantly and have to wait anyways?
related note, no more mana regen spells
unique swift
related note, no more mana regen spells
Not a problem they cleared out my loot and I noticed I had 200 mana potions in there
nova night
they also removed skill points
karmic juniper
they also removed skill points
That sounds bad.
tacit current
not really
you still have skills
we just don't need points for them now
karmic juniper
I see I see
drowsy swan
Sounds like they sanded the edges off the skill points
unique swift
I have a compass that's cursed to basically have an immortal snail after me to kill me, but it's Jazid, I just keep killing him
Doesn't matter where I am, Jazid keeps showing up to kill me because I have his compass
This is a fun spell
karmic juniper
..... hypothetically.
how many times does one need to do prestidgitation to max out its improvements?
more than 200 apparently.
hm.
I might be here a while.
have I been sitting here, maxing out every single task I have access to in the vain hope that it does something?
yes.
yes I have.
and Presti is being a bastard.
maybe at 300 completions it will be done.
nope. not 300
I have 30. improvements. on this god damned task.
when will the improvements cease?!
karmic juniper
oh.
oh it scales
infinitely
of course
I see
kinda wish the game told you thaaaaat
nova night
btw if you guys didnt noticed theory of magic now got class lock so nwo you need to earn the rank ups
karmic juniper
I’ve just been faceplanting my way through the game trying to break progression.
karmic juniper
Yes
simple abyss
In Evolve Idle how do I turn windmills on/off? Can't see them in Power Grid or Industry. I must be missing something "obvious".
tacit current
do you have electrified windmills?
if so they there should he little a box for them to swap between power and food prod boost
tribal solar
It's been a while for me, but if it hasn't changed there should be a toggle on the windmill option itself. X/X
toxic cradle
In Evolve Idle how do I turn windmills on/off? Can't see them in Power Grid or I...
If you don't see the obvious, you probably just don't have the research unlocked
if you have the tech, you should see the red and green numbers
otherwise you just don't, you'll get it eventually
simple abyss
Oh, you can press the red and green numbers.
That was the obvious bit I was missing.
drowsy swan
It also gives you a reminder on mouseover
simple abyss
I've seen the reminder, but been unable to control whether they were on/off.
drowsy swan
You can also use ctrl alt or shift clicking the numbers to change many of them at once
Soon...
(unless a discharge slows down graphene. Again.)
karmic juniper
I've seen the reminder, but been unable to control whether they were on/off.
It’s been a while since I played but don’t you literally click the green and red numbers to enable/disable?
Or is there actual UI.
My memory is known to be ass at times.
drowsy swan
it is the numbers yeah
simple abyss
You're right, I just didn't know you could click the numbers, I was looking in the Civics // Power Grid menu.
drowsy swan
I avoid the power grid screen because its more confusing to me than flipping through the civ menu tabs
karmic juniper
You're right, I just didn't know you could click the numbers, I was looking in t...
happy to have helped.
toxic cradle
I only look in the power grid menu when I've got enough power to power everything, and just to check I have everything powered since it's easy to see from there
thick burrow
Birb
Be birb
Collect popcorn , seed , go fishing
Help evolve a dark eldritch creature
karmic juniper
Birb.
nova night
those that play theory of magic what is your animal pal of choice i gone with my wolf
tacit current
haven't got any
no idea where to get them
raw gazelle
I usually try a different one each run. Currently Owl i think
karmic juniper
I. I've been doing winter things while not progressing to T0
tacit current
just a note for the winter event, you NEED to have multiple wizards to actually complete it
raw gazelle
oh? that's fun
karmic juniper
just a note for the winter event, you NEED to have multiple wizards to actually ...
is this related to the mutually exclusive option that Ive been too afraid to click through on?
the uhhh what is it.
winter somethinglution vs winter otherthinglution?
tacit current
this?
I don't think so
It isn't what Im talking about
Im talking about these, these six things need 4 different exclusive classes to restore a thing
karmic juniper
Ahhh
karmic juniper
this?
Yeah that’s what I was thinking of. You know if that choice actually matters outside of the direct given information?
The wiki is. Uhhh.
A little garbage.
tacit current
seems like it is a good/evil option
what that actually changes I do not know
karmic juniper
Fair nuff.
I’m going as a neutral first character so I’m a little bummed there isn’t a middle road.
tacit current
neutral at least can do either
karmic juniper
True
nova night
it not just the alinement it also changes your choices depending which elemement you are high enough level in
honest nymph
hmm just noticed, we are holding this in a nano storage, and it is itself shrinking its contents in a nano storage, is this a bag of holding in bag of holding situation? from teraformental
tacit current
Big number go bigger is now on steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3552310/Synergism/
karmic juniper
Ooooooh. Shinyyyyyyy.
The Ant God. The Ant God wants your Galactic Crumbs.
Say less. I’m sold.
karmic juniper
Way ahead of you. Forfeiting all mortal possessions over to the ant god.
karmic juniper
Theory of magic folks, is there a reason I SHOULDNT grab Mendicant?
because Im not seeing any downsides.
besides max gold but like. max gold is. eh?
raw gazelle
There is a specific thing for hoarding gold that that makes a lot harder, but it's only some notoriety, so up to you there,
unique swift
Mendicant is nice to have, but I also have 15 treasure rooms, soooo
raw gazelle
I need to have a titan so slowly making a new dude.
nova night
titan does need a lot of prep though
if you want to do something hard like i did beat unstable spire before t4
karmic juniper
I’m gonna make a melee junkie murder hobo once I get done minmaxing my first idiot.
karmic juniper
so in theory of magic.... how do minions work?
like I get the battle summons that arent that helpful and how they exist, but moreso in the. like. general sense.
oh I figured it out
nova night
there is a guide book as one of the tabs in the game
karmic juniper
➢ WARNING: Memorizing a Summoning spell with an unlimited max and embarking on an overly long Locale or Dungeon is a known cause of save data corruption. This will usually require several hundred floors so it is not a concern for most adventures.
well thats. uhhhhh. okay then.
considering thats something I'd absolutely do glad I read that.
toxic cradle
Just got 100% hermit knowledge in omsi-loops, glad I finally know the guy's name, is nice
karmic juniper
Hell yeah
toxic cradle
doing pretty good on the second area, did have a look into the third area to know what I need to look out for (which was potions) but basically untouched otherwise
nova night
my advice always do the wondering based ones first they tend to feed into the more action ones
nova night
im having trouble with gettting the rep fail action
||in godland||
||i mean i cant seem to get the collect donation rep fail lore to trigger not sure what i am doing wrong ||
karmic juniper
hmmmm. possibly progress further before doing it?
like I know thats not a great piece of advice but that fixes 90% of omni issues
honest nymph
collect donation with low rep? yea that hasnt worked for me either
there are a few that seem broken
karmic juniper
...... dont you need like nearly perfect rep in that area to do that task?
honest nymph
ie i have hunted 50 animals with hide but that hasnt updated
honest nymph
and the herbs, neither the 200 or the 500 are achieved
also interesting the talent level ones will deachieve themselves if you drop below that level again
great feast is also borked
nova night
and the herbs, neither the 200 or the 500 are achieved
you need to get farther to get that one it locked behind a skill
honest nymph
i can harvest 500 herbs or more if i come back from the jungle pass and have, the lore achieve just hasnt ticked off
im so far, i have found my glasses :p
karmic juniper
nice.
honest nymph
:p did not notice there was a dark, or cubiod option
solemn glacier
I have an extension that makes everything dark mode automaticly
Uncommonly it makes things barely legible, this usually happens because it's ALREADY a dark mode thing and it's doubling down on it
solemn glacier
And then there was that one weird as hell time it made everything piss yellow
Well, a pale yellow with white text
karmic juniper
WHY. WHY DO I NEED TO SELL 2500 TOMES?!
Im losing my goddamned mind here
Ive been afking for 2 days and only have 1,086 done.
eugh
okay more like 1.5
still
2600 tomes*
raw gazelle
It's 2600 selling tomes actions, if it's anything like the others, it means you'll be selling more tomes as time goes on as well. so it may end up somewhere in the 10k range if not more of tomes sold. Though it does increase your max allotment of tomes too
karmic juniper
It's 2600 selling tomes actions, if it's anything like the others, it means you'...
Well I’m powering through it NOW.
Don’t put goals you don’t want me reaching in front of me!
solemn glacier
So what I'm hearing is we just need to make a trophy for you for becoming the president?
karmic juniper
You couldn't pay me to want to become president.
solemn glacier
But cheevo!
drowsy swan
one solar mass of black hole and checks queue 22 monuments until banana republic defeated in evolve
toxic cradle
Banana Republic as a challenge scares me, I'm just farming mastery in heavy right now by MAD-ing with everything I can think of
drowsy swan
EMF+Banana Republic has been sloow but as soon as the last two bits are done I can be free to push the unify button, claim my long-delayed bonuses from that, and have tax income
toxic cradle
I'm really treating myself here by paying full price :3
honest nymph
hehe
drowsy swan
4 momuments left before banan no more
honest nymph
aww explored all the content in teraformental, now to wait
raw gazelle
I did that a few months ago, figure I'll hit it at the next New major update and see how that rolls
nova night
who been trying out the demos
toxic cradle
idk when, but they made it so you can't use bonus time when the tab isn't focused, so I just set it that each second runs 100 minutes per second, because I had over a day of bonus, and I know earlier the bonus would be used before, and I do not have this focused for any length of time so this was clearly a change, but hey, 100 minutes is now gonna be my normal, unless I really need to babysit some loops, which in this case I didn't
karmic juniper
idk when, but they made it so you can't use bonus time when the tab isn't focuse...
Do note: the game gets….
How should I say….
Unstable depending on your computer specs and loop length.
toxic cradle
I've not had to worry about computer specs for anything at any point really
karmic juniper
Fair nuff.
toxic cradle
I don't play any recent big games really, I mean, I guess rivals counts? don't play that much but I've not had to worry about anything with it
karmic juniper
I only say the warning because my laptop started getting hitchy at like 39x speed, and my PC topped out at 90x something?
Then again that was a few years ago
So perhaps that’s been fixed.
toxic cradle
Well, I went from like 30 alchemy to almost 50 in a few seconds, so I think it went ok
also to note, I already did all this before sending the image, given you can see I have 0 seconds left in the image
karmic juniper
Fair nuff.
drowsy swan
Taxes immediately shoot up from 220 to 4444 on hittiing unify and no longer having the debuff
and now...we wait some more. Because this thing expensive and its holding up a bunch of pre-reqs elsewhere.
karmic juniper
my save. I found my old save.
it. its still here.
it wasn't entirely erased......
well Im glad to ahve that back.
yippeeeee! (I mean I think its slightly older than what my most recent save was but like. its. I mean. its a save. with basically all my crap).
honest nymph
nice
tacit current
just found my old save from just over a year ago
I have no idea what is going on
loop 18919
wait no loop 19394
karmic juniper
I borrowed..... 49,000 days worth of time.
toxic cradle
I see some things in that starting area that aren't in my starting area, hmmmmmmmm
karmic juniper
I see some things in that starting area that aren't in my starting area, hmmmmmm...
we're on different versions
Im on the Omsi version
you're on.....
I dont know whta
essentially the same game with slight differences
toxic cradle
you're on.....
that exact version
toxic cradle
My loop number is 4 digits starting with a 1, yours is 6 digits
that's all the differences will amount to
you're further ahead
toxic cradle
You've done 100x my loops