most of what i want are overhauls, and if the really super big new content mods take a year, thats a good turnaround.
#Starfield
mild bridge
thin pilot
on one hand, giving the game a chance to shine/fail on its own and let the dev's hardcore work(because this game is obviously a lot of work and while todd hasn't been super "out there" in love for it. you can tell he's really proud of it IMO) but also not letting modders do what they want ASAP is a bit annoying especially with the whole frame of bethesda games being modders paradises
mild bridge
honestly, I think its fine.
it gives people time to find what they dont like, and actually consider what mods are really needed.
thin pilot
In the end, thats my view as well
but i see both sides and support them in why their mad/miffed
mild bridge
yup
I think the game is fine, needs some work, but overall fine, 6 months and ittle be in a better state, and then modders will have a better idea of what they really need to focus on, instead of throwing mods at the wall and hoping something sticks.
thin pilot
but yeah, i'm really looking forward to the "Open cities" equivalent ohere
mild bridge
should be great fun.
thin pilot
Also, something i noticed but never stated
mild bridge
I just want someone to remove the damned walls between tiles.
mild bridge
New Atlantis is a dissapointment.
thin pilot
Its just big
New Atlantis is a bit of a disappointment in the whole setting yeah
However, i love Akila city
that city is amazing
vale pawn
yea just jump off the top to go to the spaceport
faster than loading screens
a little bit, it feels small for a "capital city"
thin pilot
Honestly Akila is my favorite city of all Bethesda games
To be fair, thats not a starfield issue. thats just a "video game" issue
mild bridge
yeah
vale pawn
And HopeTown is a sham of a town
thin pilot
Like only spiderman really felt like a real NYC
Hopetown overhaul will be cool
and Ryujin story overhaul/expansion
because that storyline is just... bad
vale pawn
Where is out Coruscant
mild bridge
I just want some more handcrafted locations.
modders adding their own massive dungeons, instead of generic lab number 785
Ive been to a LOT of labs.
thin pilot
As much as i love starfield(and i do love it, its my GOTY easily) the Ryujin storyline is just plain bad
mild bridge
maybe some prebuilt bases.
thin pilot
Those will be fun
mild bridge
things. handcrafted things.
thin pilot
I can't wait for custom factions
mild bridge
yeah
thin pilot
i can really see Starfield becoming a playground for sci-fi settings
and getting a massive amount of "semi-cannon" factions and builds
Like megacorps and smaller groups of people
vale pawn
because that storyline is just... bad
currently have to ||go back after doing the ARC bug plant in Hopetown||, how far though am I?
thin pilot
currently have to ||go back after doing the ARC bug plant in Hopetown||, how far...
halfway
vale pawn
Have not run into much in the way of syndicate involvement missions yet, and they have a whole huge hideout that I could just walk around
thin pilot
But yeah, compared to the vanguard's storyline which is heart-touching , Rangers story just being goofy fun and Crimson fleet's(probably the best one) being a classic heist. Ryujin's just.. falters?
and if you don't spec fully into stealth, get ready for HELL
vale pawn
my 40mm is ready
thin pilot
that weapon is so much fucking fun
vale pawn
oh speaking of stealth, apparently taking off your spacesuit helps immensely
when not in a vacuum at least
civic drift
You can kind of see how much time they spent on New Atlantis
and it feels like that just kind of petered out as they developed other cities
New Atlantis is massive
and then all other "major" human cities? kinda super small
Neon is large in a very condensed way
but like
I would have loved if neon was underwater
vale pawn
New Atlantis is massive
a massive park
Neon I would say is the more fleshed out city
civic drift
or new atlantis, given the name
maybe a massive dome with the outside planet being very dangerous
like
vale pawn
lol yea why did they use atlantis as a name?
civic drift
I'm looking forward to what modders do to expand the cities and creatures, to be honest
I'd like to see more abandoned structures in the higher level areas, too
they're allllll over the place in the lower level areas
but I've only seen like 2 or 3 in the 50+ areas I've gone to
charred flower
and getting a massive amount of "semi-cannon" factions and builds
I can only see mod conflicts in their future. The game, especially in areas that are 'designed' like towns, would have little to no actual space for mods.
It would be a case of awkward doors everywhere due to a lack of 'open space' within the smaller areas, like for neon, almost every wall space is taken up, there are no 'long walkways'. Same for any of the major towns Akila, theres no 'free space to add buildings'
So either mods that add 'large things' add them in a completely different space, or it becomes 'pocket dimension' BS, especially if multiple mods decide one of the few spaces that 'makes sense' in a city like neon, becomes 5 doors stacked on each other in the same space.
Its not impossible but there is very little room for it to be accommodated and that lack of accommodation is going to be a major issue going forward if someone doesn't also then make a 'streets of neon' etc mod, which shifts the entire city around to have that dead space
mild bridge
I wouldn’t be surprised if city expansion mods happened first, then other mods have dependency on it.
The cities for what they are, are well done.
Except new Atlantis.
That place is just bad
charred flower
The cities, all in their entirety, lack verticality. Especially for a game where you have a jetpack from basically the start. Only a few indoor areas have more than a second level in their height
thin pilot
I dunno, there felt like a lot of alleys were buildings could be added
yeah that part did suck
feels like they built the maps
then added jetpacks
charred flower
I dunno, there felt like a lot of alleys were buildings could be added
Akila, where do you 'add' new buildings which isn't just 'doors to a ghost building on an already occupied one'
Neon is about similar, its just too 'compact' for what is supposedly 'a complete planet to expand on'
Half the reason 'everything in america is bigger' is because theres so much useless space no one has a use for
So why model the cities, all of them including 'the western town' after super compact, urban places, wheres the few main roads leading to individual buildings people would own, as oppose to semi-detached houses which implies 'space saving'
thin pilot
Simple reason for that, large space between things sucks
charred flower
I know theres a major lack of land vehicles, but on the pretend that trucks existed, none of these 'futuristic' towns seem to care
mild bridge
Because people kept complaining that Skyrim and fallout 4 settlements felt empty and lifeless. So they shoved everything together instead.
charred flower
And yet it is that exact space that modders need to be able to do things
thin pilot
I said it before and i'll say it again. Starfield is an overcorrection
mild bridge
Checks out.
thin pilot
Which, i can't entirely blame them for considering the feedback and discourse around Skyrim and Fallout 4
A lot of my issues with this game are issues, but i don't feel animosity towards the devs. more just like "oh i understand the situation you were in and... it sucks"
mild bridge
But also: fo4 and Skyrim were just old. New game design methodology evolved since then. Most of that complaining wasn’t actually constructive, yet Bethesda took it as such.
charred flower
"Turns out a game based on a nuclear wasteland, lacks buildings and feels like major cities and objects are far apart"
Next?
mild bridge
"Turns out a game based on a nuclear wasteland, lacks buildings and feels like m...
See the issue there, is you’re using logic.
thin pilot
criticism and reception of criticism isn't based on logic yeah
and it feels like they got a LOT internally and externally
mild bridge
Yup
keen haven
"Turns out a game based on a nuclear wasteland, lacks buildings and feels like m...
to be fair major cities are far apart in real life!
mild bridge
I think world design wise, 76 was a great step….. and then they yeeted it all out the window.
thin pilot
Some aren't
mild bridge
Others….. less so.
keen haven
would be funner if i could become a cosmic nebula looking thing or turn into an alien
mild bridge
points at jetpacks
Why do we have these
What is the point of these.
It feels tacked on.
mild bridge
Dinga I use a skip jump pack. The ones that give next to no height because I’d prefer a bloody jump extender than crappy flight.
thin pilot
And personally
skip packs are the way to think about it/they would be PERFECT if they added a sideways dodge/slam as well
keen haven
i had all 3 of the jetpacks
thin pilot
Two simple additions
mild bridge
I’d prefer a backpack.
thin pilot
being able to boost in small skips across a low-grav planet is fantastic
being able to feel superhuman by getting that brief jump above everyone on high-grav planets
for me, is awesome
it just needs a tiny bit more
mild bridge
I’d prefer a backpack.
See prior statement.
thin pilot
in the form of side to side dashes and a slam ability
keen haven
once i got balanced boost pack i only had one basic one cause that pack was a nice pack state wise
vale pawn
I’d prefer a backpack.
An option for a boostpack or a real backpack is something I could see being modded in easy
keen haven
im still going to be insane forever and want some vampire/werewolf thing going but starfield style
vale pawn
im still going to be insane forever and want some vampire/werewolf thing going b...
Yea got the option of making a character with alien DNA
thin pilot
An option for a boostpack or a real backpack is something I could see being modd...
Considering its been modded into BOTH skyrim and F4, yeah
mild bridge
An option for a boostpack or a real backpack is something I could see being modd...
I know, I just wish it was base game.
I’m sticking to vanilla for a while.
keen haven
Yea got the option of making a character with alien DNA
see now thats only boring im refering going all the way and just shapechanging into an alien why do you think i refer to the vampire/werewolf of skyrim
though yes i did choose the alien DNA bit for one of my things
mild bridge
Yea got the option of making a character with alien DNA
That BARELY DOES ANYTHING. You can even get it just REMOVED.
mild bridge
You can get more alien stuff further down
Oh that’s good.
keen haven
or if the powers allowed it just shape changing into comsic nebula entity for a short bit blasting things but that doesnt exist so far
thin pilot
And like, i'm 90% sure if you have the alien DNA trait it makes it bigger
mild bridge
Makes. What. Bigger.
mild bridge
DEFINE “IT”
keen haven
And like, i'm 90% sure if you have the alien DNA trait it makes it bigger
you better explain what you mean
im immune to spoilers
mild bridge
Just DM me weegy.
thin pilot
you'll have to find out
mild bridge
thin pilot
Nah, the joy of it is finding out
mild bridge
Dinga you claw it out of him, tell me what it is later.
keen haven
summon the talo pain engine!
keen haven
you'll have to find out
also in a game of this scale (its a god damn big space) this is probably the dumbest thing to say for a game of this scale in my opinion as i think about it cause for all i know i could straight up miss it and perceive you as a liar and then when you finally tell me much later by that point i would be starfielded out and have no desire to return to the game
now i go see if google can tell me thing
keen haven
i could of sworn i saw better ecliptic helmets
civic drift
A lot of the armor is
Meh
I’m very disappointed the mantis armor isn’t more mantis like
vale pawn
Deepseeker set favorite so far
civic drift
Need to invest in the environmental resistance perk so I can wear whatever armor I think looks coolest without having to worry about resistances
fair orbit
Wow they really downgraded the Ecliptic helmets
10/10 design, 0/10 execution
civic drift
You know what? That will be the best mods for starfield. Cosmetic changes and additions to everything
mild bridge
Literally just making visors not show my characters face would be nice.
I don’t want to see their face, I want to see the blank void of the abyss. Staring back. Hungering. For chimkn.
civic drift
I hunger
civic drift
For pizza
vale pawn
"You can now build the mounted Ashta at your Outposts"
Wat
civic drift
What
Are we getting animal mounts?
That’s sarcasm by the way
It obviously means a mounted to the wall sort of thing
vale pawn
Had my hopes up for a few seconds that I got something cool
civic drift
Nice wall
I haven’t invested in outpost engineering at all, really
Or looked at what I can build decoration wise
vale pawn
Its just a house in Akila
civic drift
I guess it gives you a fairly safe place to store stuff
Since you can sometimes lose stuff stored in your ship
Like that time I lost some apparel that was in a captain’s locker from a cockpit I deleted
It went poof
vale pawn
yea... don't do dat
civic drift
Wasn’t in my ship cargo afterwards
Just gone
See, I shouldn’t have to worry about not doing that
That’s absolutely something that should have come up in QA testing
And should have been accounted for
mild bridge
okay so, the regen power is actually broken.
it does not in fact heal you AT ALL durring combat
which is garbage
and its not that I have it a low rank
its maxed out
its actually just broken.
thin pilot
One of the powers let's you heal for damage dealt to others
mild bridge
weegy Im on this buildings roof for the past 30 seconds and Im not healing
thin pilot
Oh okay
vale pawn
I think it might mean you regen faster from medpacks?
vale pawn
Or its broken
thin pilot
This games biggest flaw is it's shit at explaining things
mild bridge
and the MOMENT Im out of combat I start healing
no its pasive regen.
thats how the first function is
thin pilot
Which once again is the problem of overcorrecting from Skyrim and fallout 4s handholding
mild bridge
SKYRIM AND FALLOUT 4 DID NOT HANDHOLD YOU ON SKILLS
it told you what you needed to know
I just
uuuggghhhhh
either way, the things actually bugged.
Ive tried this repeatedly
and its broken.
thin pilot
I've heard lots of complaints that said they were too handholdy
mild bridge
because there IS a perk that increases medkit effectiveness.
and it specifies that.
regen is a end of tree skill meant to make you neigh unkillable and it DOESNT DO THAT
thin pilot
Not for me personally, but general thing is that people have complained that they explained too much/took the mystery out of rpgs
mild bridge
..... the mystery?
what mystery.
the game told me how things worked.
thats IMPORTANT.
thin pilot
The mystery of exploring and exploiting things
I'm not defending it, just explaining it
mild bridge
and Im yelling at the void that all my playtime working towards this skill is null and void because some imbicile forgot to actually test if they did the flag correctly
is there a bug report button anywhere in this game?
mild bridge
funny that.
thin pilot
not the button that crashes your game by linking you to their FORUMS and not even a form for the bug report, just their support forums
Cough, Wayfinder, Cough
There should be a bug report button though
charred flower
I thought it worked mid combat though..?
I might have to go check that later on then, hmm
thin pilot
I've just gotten sick of bug report buttons that just link you to email or their forums on a browser or something
mild bridge
I thought it worked mid combat though..?
I might have to go check that later on ...
ITS SUPPOSED TO
IT SAYS "heal quickly durring combat"
I sat on that roof, with no negative effects that would traditionally prevent health regen for a good 30 seconds, the moment combat ends I start regening.
the thing is legitimately broken
thin pilot
Ah they've done the stupid thing that game studios have done
mild bridge
because I think they forgot to add the flag that durring combat you get a reduced effect.
mild bridge
steam?
thin pilot
their discord
mild bridge
oh FUCK THAT.
thin pilot
Which, isn't a developer decision, thats almost certainly a PR/Middle Management decision that fucks everyone over
thin pilot
Oh yeah
mild bridge
out of all the jobs they had, making sure the skills actually worked as declared, given their complete vague and useless state, should have been the one they actually did.
thin pilot
its worth getting pissed at
mild bridge
whenever I get to modding Im installing all the top QOL mods that exist. whole front page.
I dont care at this point how much conflict that will cause.
Im tired of this vague garbage.
charred flower
whenever I get to modding Im installing all the top QOL mods that exist. whole f...
First 20 pages XD
thin pilot
Honestly would wait on the QoL's
mild bridge
First 20 pages XD
by the time I get there ittle all be condensed down to the first page
thin pilot
until yeah-exactly
mild bridge
Weegy Im doing this first playthrough completely vanilla
thin pilot
instead of 50 different tiny mods, just one big one
mild bridge
and then once proper mod support happens, Ill come back and mod the hell out of the game
and have a blast again
and hopefully MY SKILLS WILL WORK AS ADVERTIZED TODD
CHESS CLUB MAN
how is the Kodama a rifle?
thats clearly a machine pistol
thats not even a bloody SMG, thats just a machine pistol
thin pilot
MP5
I can understand the reasoning though, they didn't want to swarm with gun types
so its just
-Mining equipment(which is hilarious)
-Pistols
-Assault Rifles
-Sniper Rifles
-Shotguns
-Grenade Launchers
mild bridge
I didn't mean it should be its own new type
Im just saying it should probably be in the pistol catagory
or, there should be an SMG catagory
which wouldnt CLOG THE TYPES
again, I think, it was an overreaction.
they wanted to simplify things.
annnnd went too far
also the classifications barely mean anything except for their specific skills which, can I just ask, why?
why not do what they did in literally every other game, which is, have guns split into 2 types
heavy, and small arms.
well also explosive but that covered some other stuff
theres no need for the INDIVIDUAL seperate perks, when theres also a set of global perks for ballistic and lasers.
I just....
I feel like they dummed it down, and then went "oh crap we have a skill quota we have to meet"
welp, someone ping me once they fix regen.
because that was literally where all my 20 levels pretty much went
and without that working properly my build is a cripple
charred flower
they wanted to simplify things.
Handgun shotgun is a funny weapon
thin pilot
and improved it
a LOT
once you spec into it, its really cool
visually, could be more
Functionally, can change a single weapon into half a dozen distinctly different feeling weapons
vale pawn
except for losing the mod once you remove it, that the one downside
mild bridge
Yeah well I invested into a BROKEN SKILL INSTEAD. IM VERY HAPPY WITH MY LIFE CHOICE.
thin pilot
that the one downside
civic drift
so its just
-Mining equipment(which is hilarious)
-Pistols
-Assault Rifles
-Snip...
after I beat the game for the first time (been dragging my feet cause I wanna explore the world and at least complete sysdef storyline first) I'm gonna be doing a mining laser only character and an unarmed only character
vale pawn
Note, don't do to sleep on Titan
charred flower
Shop refresh times are simple 😛
vale pawn
lol true, 2-3 hours and it refreshes
charred flower
Honestly though? I dislike their method of doing all that
Theres space colonies, especially underground colonies, and they want to pretend like people can suddely stay up for 400 hours straight because the planet day length is different
I highly doubt on a normal playthrough that the player even actually sleeps from the start of the main quest till the end
civic drift
I haven’t beaten it yet, but from what I’ve gathered, you can rush the main quest in like a couple hours, no?
Obviously no MQ spoilers
vale pawn
not sure, I said Hi and Bye to Sam and aint talked to him since
oh right I got the artifact you find with Anje or whatever her name is
vale pawn
I am worried as to ||why he needs to be safe from me||
mild bridge
alright at around level 40-50 enemies start carrying combat drugs and healing items.
took em long enough
quite honestly
dont ask me what Im doing in a level 50 starsystem at level 20
keen haven
i was a level 10 in a 30 area before
mild bridge
well my build would be doing SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER if the god damned skill worked.
honestly Im considering just doing more leveling cheese to make up for the fact that my skill is actually legitimately broken.
I feel like thats fair play.
anyone else feel like that?
civic drift
I feel like there will be bug fix updates (hopefully) but in the mean time, it’s not really cheese to go to higher level areas and kill stuff
That’s definitely the intended way
Quests and skill checks don’t give nearly enough experience to do so on their own
Maybe survey missions
If you go down the survey skills, which speed up the process immeasurably
mild bridge
I feel like there will be bug fix updates (hopefully) but in the mean time, it’s...
No I meant craft steel frames until I get the level I want.
Killing things is absolutely intended.
civic drift
Crafting does not net that much exp
mild bridge
It’s honestly just as efficient as what I’m currently doing
livid fossil
I am just bummed about melee weapons not being able to be modified
They made a tree out of it.
They gave some of the starting classes the specialisation of it
And then... You gotta farm for better weapons
no matterial changes possible , no additional modules to be added for it
civic drift
It do be sucky
The best melee weapon I’ve found so far is a Va’Ruun Painblade
Dealt like 100 ish?
I was told that guns with the bashing affix can do bonkers damage though
civic drift
I’m on the last stretch of the ||UC SysDef/Crimson Fleet|| quest line. I already decided to side with ||SysDef|| but I had to get off because my dad wanted to watch a race on tv. I spent all night trying to get through that quest line and now I just wait another day to do so. I’m sooooooo looking forward to finishing it, though
I would finally like to ||get experience from fighting and killing pirates|| again
My dad was very surprised at my level when I went to save
I’m level 53 and still on my first playthrough
mild bridge
First playthrough? You mean there’s ng+?
keen haven
question is does it force into new game + or can you save it for later
mild bridge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=venGn3eVeZ4
or, and hear me out, just.... brute force it.
I mean those tips are nice sure, but, brute force go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
civic drift
i mean
the difference is spending upwards of an hour trying to complete a planet
or 5 to 15 minutes
mild bridge
true
civic drift
Like, it’s not even that hard to get the levels needed for the two perks that speed up your scanning the most, which are the ones that give more resources and scanning percent for flora and fauna
The scanning range is really nice though
Something he doesn’t mention is that if you’re ever struggling to find some of the rarer resources, they almost always spawn in caves. You can actually find most resources that are on a planet in a cave or two
mild bridge
is there a way to do mass output links?
or am I really going to have to do this INDIVIDUALLY
I think, they didn't really intend for someone to build 200 someodd crates to store aluminum and iron in.
just.... just a feeling.
thin pilot
did you use crates
mild bridge
or well. 300ish actually.
thin pilot
oh okay
mild bridge
I think. I figured out a better system, Ill link all the CRATES together, then just hook the harvesters into the first of the chain
that.... that makes sense.
right?
charred flower
Is top down really easier to do it in, I would be doing it first person from a distance using the toggle view hotkey
mild bridge
Is top down really easier to do it in, I would be doing it first person from a d...
top down is reasonably easier IMO.
I havent done it a ton in first person, but top down has seemed a lot easier, well ecept for how slipperly the movement controlls are, but otherwise yeah.
okay I think, finally, thats everything. probably.
I think.
so theoretically
that should be done
god that was awful
somber creek
The most important mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/1796
mild bridge
How DARE THEY
mild bridge
Im glad Ive rediscovered the power of venus
my main home base is absolutely going to be there.
or well, the base I put all the nice decorative stuff anyways
1 hour there is 100 hours outside.
or well, less for where my own current crafting base is given thats at 12 times universal speed, so really its only about 8 hours outside, but still, pretty potent.
compared to getting 1/12th of an hour outside
at least, I think, thats how this stuff works
I got no idea
starfield didn't BOTHER TO EXPLAIN IT EITHER
mild bridge
alright now instead of mass crafting for XP, Im mass crafting for money!
yay!
look Al and Fe each sell for 1 each
the hting you craft out of them sells for 3 each
thats a 1.5 times multiplier on income
vale pawn
does autocrafting net xp too?
vale pawn
oh you just mass crafting from bulk storage?
mild bridge
I just know that you can sprint forever and it doesnt kill you, so I just need to hit up every major city and sell to all their merchants.
mild bridge
oh you just mass crafting from bulk storage?
yup
its.... painful
but it also means I don't have to deal with auto crafting.
worth it.
look setting up this barely functional supply chain to BEGIN with was hell. IM NOT DOING IT FOR AUTO CRAFTING. YOU CANNOT MAKE ME.
and if in the process I get enough perk points to max out the science tree SO BE IT.
I just want a nicer starship already.
also maybe maxing out the piloting skill.
big ship go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
look theres a lotta skills I want and I need a lotta money
so, this will honestly work out
fairly well
probably
civic drift
I just know that you can sprint forever and it doesnt kill you, so I just need t...
If you wait a little over 24 hours in a chair next to a merchant with a lot of creds (like a trade authority), you don’t have to do all that sprinting
mild bridge
If you wait a little over 24 hours in a chair next to a merchant with a lot of c...
the sprinting is me figuring out where the hell the trade authority is.
do you know how hard it is to navigate when your healthbar is constnatly in the red and your screen is flashing and wobbling because you are 90% dead because you thought it was a good idea to lug around 9000 weight of stuff?
LEMME TELL YOU, THE SPRINTING IS JUST FINDING THE PLACE
but thanks for the tip
also double checking, the data thingies you get from fully analyzing planets, thats just for selling right?
those serve no other purpose?
its just free money right?
Im gonna assume its free money.
vale pawn
Yup
just make sure you dont sell to anyone but Vlad
mild bridge
whos Vlad
vale pawn
mild bridge
raider. would you like to see my quest log?
vale pawn
Vladimir , your fellow Constellation member
up on the Eye above Jemison
mild bridge
not shown is "the old neighborhood"
I HAVE DONE NOTHING. BUT EXPLORE, GRIND, AND SLAUGHTER.
mild bridge
Vladimir , your fellow Constellation member
up on the Eye above Jemison
also Im piss with names.
Ive got this woman who will not leave me alone until I do the MSQ for her.
vale pawn
Ive got this woman who will not leave me alone until I do the MSQ for her.
You havent found the Vanguard patrol member yet then
mild bridge
Wait so I need to buy those surveys back……
keen haven
im also pretty sure its 48 hours before the stores get all there money back
mild bridge
Don’t I…..
keen haven
cause ive waited 24 hours and they were still poor
mild bridge
im also pretty sure its 48 hours before the stores get all there money back
It’s 48 universal
So .5 hours on Venus.
keen haven
mild bridge
Raider have I softlocked myself?
vale pawn
Wait so I need to buy those surveys back……
Pretty sure you already lost money then
Vlad buys for double other merchants but buying them back I think will cost more than double the normal sell price
keen haven
they dont even show up when im selling stuff those surveys
mild bridge
Pretty sure you already lost money then
Vlad buys for double other merchants but...
Well I tried to buy them back and the game literally didn’t let me…. God damnit where’s my last auto.
keen haven
like i looking at my stuff and they dont show up then i look at my inventory normally and there they are still all in my bag
vale pawn
Been collecting any books btw?
keen haven
i did collect books
then i stopped cause trade want no paper little cheap ass buggers
mild bridge
Been collecting any books btw?
nope!
vale pawn
There is a vintage book merchant in Akila who will buy certain books for 2k each
mild bridge
working on saving up 350ish grand, and getting the ability to drive C rank ships
keen haven
me killing vanguard every so often when they land to re-rememeber i cant take there ship
mild bridge
Sooooo reloading last manual save.
And since I’m reloading might as well get nice and big aluminum stack
Wooooooo
Waiting around
Todd Howard’s waiting system still sucks
Woup woup
Waiiiiiiting
keen haven
i find it to be fast waiting 48 hours
mild bridge
I don’t need each hour to tick by
keen haven
also great i only have to wait 1 hour to fully heal
mild bridge
Just SKIP FORWARD
keen haven
mild bridge
also great i only have to wait 1 hour to fully heal
I’m having to wait in 24 hour segments
It gets tiring.
vale pawn
Wait have you had Sarah tailing you this entire time, nit picking every time you pick something up while encumbered?
mild bridge
Wait have you had Sarah tailing you this entire time, nit picking every time you...
Yuuuuuuup
This ENTIRE TIME
civic drift
i find it to be fast waiting 48 hours
It’s not 48 hours. It’s a little over 24. Yes waiting just 24 isn’t enough, but doing a couple more hours past that does the trick for me
mild bridge
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
civic drift
I knew you’d say that
mild bridge
civic drift
There are companions you could have who aren’t annoying assholes when you’re overencumbered though
keen haven
im just doing all the main quest stuff to get powers probably complete it and then go on to do other stuff
mild bridge
Yeah well, the one guy I wanted to recruit isn’t possible to recruit.
vale pawn
Do the quest and you can leave her In the Lodge
civic drift
Hey gurm, there’s a power that gives you infinite oxygen for a time
mild bridge
Hey gurm, there’s a power that gives you infinite oxygen for a time
And?
I can handle the screen
keen haven
still sad there is no become nebula star man power
civic drift
Just wanted to make sure you knew how much suffering you were doing
civic drift
still sad there is no become nebula star man power
This ain’t destiny
keen haven
see im find cause i have controller and can controll my walking speed to a jog
mild bridge
This ain’t destiny
Also void was a stupid warlock subclass. Fire was where it was at. Gliding around, gunning people down. Good times.
civic drift
Void supreme
keen haven
consider how those guys look they might as well of come from the destiny verse
i randomly found one at the atlantis bar
civic drift
Bruh what
keen haven
wasnt sure at first so i saved then shot him
civic drift
Bruh
keen haven
so see if they did the thing
keen haven
wait a min im really early game and he was just there
civic drift
Like how did you suspect it in the first place
vale pawn
Is this about the guy all in black, talks philosophy with ya?
keen haven
i looked at the guy and stopped thinking "wait a moment"
so just to be sure i saved and shot him to see how he would react
and he did things
mild bridge
Is this about the guy all in black, talks philosophy with ya?
Idk but I wanted to recruit him and the internet told me no and I’m upset.
keen haven
ive done all the research that doenst require levels in the specific perks but i need to eventually need to put points into them
cause i want to make a good base and unload all the people i dont want onto it
mild bridge
why would I want to be nonleathal.
WHY ARE DELIVERY SHIPS SO GOD DAMNED SLOW
theres gotta be a way to upgrade these PIECES OF GARBAGE
keen haven
i can only imagine the nonlethal bit being used to kill robots better
charred flower
There are companions you could have who aren’t annoying assholes when you’re ove...
keen haven
its why i got that good EMP gun in my chest but slowly getting ammo for it
can you just have random crew follow you about
mild bridge
https://tenor.com/view/give-me-a-name-scoot-mcnairy-walt-breslin-narcos-tell-me-...
JAZ! YOU KNOW THINGS! IS THERE A BETTER CARGO LINK.
DEAR GOD I NEED A BETTER CARGO LINK
charred flower
Cargo link?
keen haven
you mean normal cargo compartments?
mild bridge
the stupid cargo thingies
charred flower
For what purpose
mild bridge
that take things from one bit of a planet to another
this stupid thing.
I need one thats faster
charred flower
Nope
mild bridge
god damnit
keen haven
you can stack them cant you?
keen haven
ive seen people stack MANY
mild bridge
you can have 3 intraplanetary ones, and I think 3 interplanitary ones
or no, just, 3 total.
the hell is with that.
maybe its some upgrade or something
idk.
guess ILL BE BUILDING A THIRD
this system is so stupid
welp there goes the third cargo link
Yaaaaay
There’s basically 1 more thing I could do, but it wouldn’t increase throughput. Probably. I think. I don’t know.
This game never explains anything ANYWAYS
okay I THINK
IVE CRACKED IT
ALRIGHT
SO
ships HAVE TO LAND, to give resources
they do not do passive transfer
even if you are off planet halfway across the galaxy
waiting does not automatically transfer resources.
at least, with the intraplanitary ships
which basically means, every time I rest, all I was doing was just WASTING TIME
mild bridge
Okay. I’ve…. Theoretically optimized it so that now all ships should be taking full loads
Meaning, no more waste
I think
Probably
prisma cypress
I love that we’re decades in on this game engine and you can still rob NPC merchants blind by placing pots over their heads
mild bridge
technically its supposed to be a new engine with the same name.
but yes
they programmed actual LOS mechanics
which is pretty nice.
civic drift
I generally only steal from people that deserve it
I’m not following a role play super closely but I generally try to follow the background I chose, which was ronin
So, sword for hire/working to help people
Gotta play the lawful neutral merc
mild bridge
why steal from then when I can make them purchase all my garbage for a massive markup and then buy out their shop
look Im just saying that I can sell adaptive frames for 4 monies instead of 3 these days.
or well, close enough
commerce is a good skill
mild bridge
Ive got more perk points than I can reasonably spend right now.
honestly I just want a few specific things maxed out, buuuut my money making method gets me XP, soooo Im probably going to be supremely over leveled by the time Im done with all this.
HAHA! ONE THIRD OF THE WAY TO MY SHINY NEW SHIP
only..... a lot more pain and suffering ahead
civic drift
ive only just got level 1 for that i think
after I spent a ridiculous amount of credits just building out the basics of a ship, I decided getting commerce would be a good priority if I want to make a neat figher/cruiser
I eventually wanna make some UNSC ships
might look up guides for it, cause I'm sure there are people already having done so
mild bridge
I’m just buying a big ol prebuilt C class. Because the ship building mechanics made no sense to me.
civic drift
that’s valid. I understand them, but I know others have been struggling.
I really want to do two things
I want to make a giant bulky ass frigate/hauler type ship
And I wanna make a min/max fighter ship
keen haven
after I spent a ridiculous amount of credits just building out the basics of a s...
im only really needing it so i can eventually get the ship i want
unless while im doing piloting stuff i somehow find and steal the ship i want that is
keen haven
I’m just buying a big ol prebuilt C class. Because the ship building mechanics m...
only reason my ship looks weird is cause i got the mantis and only did basic level stuff like adding an engineering, workshop and science room to it
i dont have any levels in ship design
yet
somber creek
I just realized, and now I cannot find any examples: Are there cybernetics/prosthetics in starfield? I know there is the Cyberneticist background, but I don't recall seeing any visible implants or replaced limbs
keen haven
not yet
it does give me knowledge to respond to things though
its also like how i learnt i can get my alien DNA removed but no sane person would ever do that
civic drift
I just realized, and now I cannot find any examples: Are there cybernetics/prost...
kind of? there's a facial cybernetic that improves your intimidation, persuasion, etc etc
I don't remember what it's called exactly, but you can find a shop selling them in neon
it's just a few pieces of metal on your forehead and/or cheek
mild bridge
I am level 49, and I havent done a single quest yet
basically all of this has just been from craftin
yay craftin
civic drift
Bruh lmao
You’re like that dude that grinds to max level in kingdom hearts on destiny island by just fighting wakka over and over again
mild bridge
You’re like that dude that grinds to max level in kingdom hearts on destiny isla...
Look I’m not that crazy! I’d wait for at least the first proper zone to do that.
civic drift
Well the thing is, it takes a bit to get the proper enemy spawns in the first proper zone
But on the island, you can just sit there deflecting wakka’s attacks
It’s essentially a rhythm game at that point
Now I wanna play kingdom hearts
But I can’t
Don’t have it anymore
civic drift
There’s a magazine in the UC Vanguard Pilot Simulatuon area
civic drift
There are food recipe magazines
civic drift
They definitely have set spawns in dungeons
I find them in the same place every time for each dungeon set
vale pawn
cerain PoIs have fixed random mag spawns, and there are dupes
now if they stack I don't know but I doubt it
be awesome it they did though
mild bridge
lovely
civic drift
Unlike in other games by Bethesda, I have yet to find a menu that shows magazine stats
vale pawn
Also where the magazine stand/rack?
civic drift
Starfield does feel like things were overlooked
Very important things
And very small things
vale pawn
👍 on both accounts
mild bridge
the uhhh silent runner is uhhh..... big.
very..... big.
like I can make my own drugs on this thing.
whatever madman at bethesda made this ship, thank you.
I can literally power this entire ship all at once, and I STILL HAVE TWO POWER TO SPARE
AHAHAHAHAHAH
UNLIMITED
POWER
and this entire ship, includes the grav drive.
mild bridge
https://tenor.com/view/cartman-now-we-can-finally-play-the-game-gif-26486523
look man Im only level 65
and have done effectively no quests
look, the silent runner is expensive!
but its got auto turrets!
and a massive shield
and missiles
and 6000+ cargo space as default
mild bridge
<@202944248801263616>
The uhhhh….. uhhh…. I forgot.
civic drift
Bruh
mild bridge
Homesomething?
civic drift
mild bridge
Some city
civic drift
HopeTown?
mild bridge
Costed roughly 330k, but I’ve got mercantile perk rank 3.
civic drift
I guess I can’t say shit though cause the ships I’ve made so far are also fugly
mild bridge
SHES PRETTY IN HER OWN SPECIAL WAY!
civic drift
I’ll get back to you on that, gotta fight the elder mist
mild bridge
Have fun!
I just wanted a giant ship with stupid storage capacity, and they were sellin one.
Reminds me of the good ol days of galaxy on fire 2.
Used to do so much mining and trading in that game.
civic drift
Was that a single player or multiplayer game
keen haven
seeing as you cant tell use where you got it!
mild bridge
Was that a single player or multiplayer game
Single.
mild bridge
seeing as you cant tell use where you got it!
I JUST DID.
keen haven
well now the i want is apparently in resort land when i was thinking it was in a different place
keen haven
im not ready to buy a ship yet (unless i happen to somehow steal a ship) but one of the ships that interest me one was at paradiso
civic drift
Gurm
Show us your perk tree
I wanna know what all you took after all that grinding
keen haven
all 5 images of every perk tree line
civic drift
Yuuuuup
keen haven
civic drift
Time for starfield
Doing the UC Vanguard quest line
Love me some terrormorph experience
Those things give so much
I would highly recommend anyone even just start the quest line, you get access to more ship parts at the technician after you complete the ||propaganda hall and pilot simulation|| portion
keen haven
if only i could do some hybrid terrormorph DNA thing and just turn into one temporarily
welp i finally found a zero G place
civic drift
I’ve played for many hours and only found 1 combat zero g place
fair orbit
keen haven
the weird one for me was i got aboard a ship but it wouldnt let me in the airlock so when it lifted off i fell out of it
mild bridge
Show us your perk tree
I passed out. Gimme a moment you’ll get it.
mild bridge
@civic drift there. muh build. woo.
and theres the ship for dinga who is too lazy to GOOGLE THINGS.
keen haven
and theres the ship for dinga who is too lazy to GOOGLE THINGS.
is that the ship you got or the one i was talking about getting?
im also pissed cause i nearly got to steal a ship like this but then for some reason i couldnt get in the airlock so i phased through the entrance part of the ship
mild bridge
is that the ship you got or the one i was talking about getting?
the ship I got
also the last 2 free points have gone into jetpacking
keen haven
ive been killing all the hard things with lasers
unless im sniping stealthing then im using my only good long distance rifle cause its silenced
keen haven
lasers go
i do need to put points into rifle though cause i like laser rifle sniper
mild bridge
https://tenor.com/view/laser-gif-20698522
counter point. rod from god.
thin pilot
No they scale
mild bridge
No they scale
the reward gun absolutely didn't
the reward gun was a piece of low level garbage
the XP absolutely scaled
the gun
did not
you idiots did this for skyrim, how is that so hard.
whatever. maybe NG+ will fix it or something.
also doing the paradiso quest..... well now this is awkward.
thin pilot
No?
It scaled for me
the Rangers Deadeye scaled when i nabbed it later in the game vs what its suposed to be
vale pawn
Maybe only certain quests scale
mild bridge
maybe
because I got a unique gun..... that was just a basic rifle
or well, it had the stats of one
I think
idk maybe Im just too used to powerful single shot weapons but that damage number feels a bit low
charred flower
Yup, because thats one of those 'named' weapons they intentionally put there
Because those don't deserve weapon scaling
mild bridge
yeah
the uniques, that are garbage
hopefully someone can make a "unique uniques" for starfield like they did for skyrim, and fallout 4
charred flower
I can't stop meming the mix of overwatch and starfield with 'experience tranquilitea'
Help
mild bridge
No can do
charred flower
Hmmm...?
@mild bridge there is this skill
I forget if you went over the fact it gives you 6 instead of 3
vale pawn
Also there could be Crew that have a skill for that, for further boost
charred flower
To be fair I hadn't opened the game for literally a week and a half
mild bridge
No I’m upset because I went over the skills looking for things that might help
The fact that I repeatedly missed that upsets me
Not you
charred flower
I did a help?
charred flower
Gasp Slander
civic drift
WISH I KNEW THAT EARLIER
Read your perks 
mild bridge
Read your perks <:bitterAyy:1013935736996778104>
I DID
civic drift
There’s also a perk that increases your crew amount on your ship
charred flower
'increases' to a cap. I really don't get why they limit it when they don't seem to serve an actual use on the ship
The game REALLY hates me entering a random structure that happened to have crimson fleet, who I happen to be allied with for now; so I can walk in and take anything.
But then I set all the combat drones to 'protect current user' and the drones WON'T SHUT UP with "This area is off limits, you need to leave" to the crimson fleet members, who are technically 'allies' but also deemed 'enemies'
I have 5 drones all talking over each other, to this one crimson fleet guy
mild bridge
'increases' to a cap. I really don't get why they limit it when they don't seem ...
Probably to make your ship feel more alive/have access to more companions at once I guess? Idk man.
charred flower
My issue is more with the cap stopping at 8 for like, no reason
civic drift
'increases' to a cap. I really don't get why they limit it when they don't seem ...
they give you access to ship skills they have
which means you don't have to put points into those skills
charred flower
Oh right Gur doesn't do quest missions, was half deciding that the two special people you get for returning after finishing the first few main quests for outposts, didn't give Gur outpost management
Since that person is L3 outpost management
Dunno, just never felt like the crew did anything
And since Gur had issues with the pads with a quest NPC 'existing', I defaulted to none of them working
Gur wasn't always anti main quest, its just a phase 😛
Nah, its quite interesting how far Gur can go, its a good mentality especially for some game testers
mild bridge
Gur wasn't always anti main quest, its just a phase 😛
No I’ve always been like this.
mild bridge
Nah, its quite interesting how far Gur can go, its a good mentality especially f...
Define how far? I could be rocking up to level 75 zones if I wanted to. I’ve got the relative firepower for it.
Quite honestly I plan to do basically everything i possibly can before doing the MSQ.
This includes creating a massive shipping empire that unloads all the materials I could ever want onto one base.
This would mean I’d have to mass ship HE3 to other planets but we all know how simple that is.
All I really need is some way to filter things so that I can always have each material flowing and never completely clog,
This game did plan for mass automation right?
charred flower
No
civic drift
Even though the MQ gives you ||space powers||
You’re still gonna avoid even a little bit?
mild bridge
Yes
charred flower
I really should bother to complete the MQ shouldn't I, increasing XP gain I'm L250 or something stupid at this point and I've not gone and done it
mild bridge
I don’t care about redacted, I care about being AN UNSTOPPABLE JUGGERNAUT!
charred flower
The milestone system really is an unneeded slowdown with how heavy it becomes later game
mild bridge
mild bridge
The milestone system really is an unneeded slowdown with how heavy it becomes la...
It is bothersome.
charred flower
Some L3 perks, I can earn in a single space fight
Some L1 perks take literally hours to qualify for
mild bridge
I am the george one.
mild bridge
Some L3 perks, I can earn in a single space fight
Some L1 perks take literally h...
Yup!
civic drift
It’s like they tried to improve the fallout 4 perk system but somehow made it worse
thin pilot
at least its not outer worlds
civic drift
Now see, outer worlds actually had an interesting (if flawed) system
thin pilot
I just found it... generic
civic drift
Especially with the “take negative traits to get bonuses”
thin pilot
just all "+10" and stuff
having a somewhat unique system like starfield, i'd take over a numbers thing
civic drift
Eeeh
I’d have preferred just the fallout 4 tree without the level requirements
No need for arbitrary milestones
mild bridge
I kinda like the ideas….. but it needs a rework
Then again so did FO4s
So ya know
Modding!
civic drift
Modding
mild bridge
Look we all know skill tree reworks are coming. Hell I never play Bethesda games without em.
They aren’t great at making skilltrees.
It’s passable, but not good.
Then again my standards have been completely broken ever since I played POE
civic drift
Path of exile?
The (debatably) worst skill tree in existence
A skill tree so UN-user friendly that the guides for explaining it also somehow ALSO manage to be un-user friendly
mild bridge
I love the Poe skill tree
It’s so big
So many options.
THINGS!
MIN MAXING!
POWER OVERWHELMING!
vale pawn
Best looking Mill Falcon I have seen so far
https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/16mxz8w/its_the_ship_that_made_the_kessel_run_in_less/
mild bridge
Nice
mild bridge
well back to starfield to do things the hard way
or.... easy way....
idk.
Im doing them a way
mild bridge
alright so anyone looking for effectively an all in one system, Nikola's planets have just about every physical metal. only one I couldnt find was titanium.
so ya know, that place is real good
charred flower
Titanium is one of the major ones
mild bridge
also XP is atrotious
mild bridge
*Titanium is one of the major ones*
well, then find a titanium planet.
look Jaz, the place has Uranium AND Plutonium.
charred flower
well, then find a titanium planet.
I have multiple, but I lack the titanium to build extractors
mild bridge
....... well now thats embarassing
have you tried akila city?
they've got a great mineral specialty shop
civic drift
vale pawn
civic drift
My Frankenstein’s Monster of a ship
civic drift
Best Digipick merchant I've found so far is the electronics store next to the trade authority in the well
anywhere from 3 to 10 digipicks per restock
Reliably restocks every 24 hour local time wait and he will sometimes get out of his chair, so you can just sit in it to wait
otherwise, there's a bench just outside or in the trade authority
vale pawn
good to know, always want more
also that reminded me I need to go do a job for the other guy in there
civic drift
I also need to do that job
But that will have to wait
Currently doing various UC stuff
UC story lines are surprisingly interesting
I think they leaned into the whole sci fi cowboy thing with the Freestar Rangers too much and that’s why I wasn’t finding their quests interesting
mild bridge
good to know, always want more
also that reminded me I need to go do a job for t...
Do the job for the other guy there.
vale pawn
Do the job for the other guy there.
want too
but game crashes hamper mood
mild bridge
god damn bases in this game are so annoying to setup
I just....
the fact that I cant just make one base that has everything
is real frustrating.
I just.... all I wanted. was to just have one mega base, on some nice planet somewhere.
but as of right now, it feels like all Im doing is just suffering.
one thing after another after another
and its all never quite perfect
because the game never actually says enough information
and I just.... its slowly breaking me.
legitimately I hate the base building in this game.
I could stand it for FO4
but this game..... its just agony.
vale pawn
can you not just setup outposts that ship things back to a cental hub?
mild bridge
can you not just setup outposts that ship things back to a cental hub?
no thats the issue
thats what I want to do
but then, I need to get HE3 to all those planets
and getting HE3 to all those planets is a nightmare
because HE3 setup is hell if you want to actually produce and ship it off
vale pawn
send H3 out?
mild bridge
raider I have not found a planet that both produces some of the resources I need, and HE3
so Id have to import HE3 to that planet
my bigger issue, is that again, the game never actually EXPLAINS ANYTHING.
and I just....
uuugghhhh
vale pawn
and I suspect the cargo link ship need H3 as fuel, unlike our own ship that gets magicly refilled on landing
mild bridge
yup
each cargo ship link that is not just planetside, needs HE3
I just.
what I really need to do
is to just, farm up a ton of money, and buy out rock shops over and over and over again.
so I can just do these bases in one shot, instead of doing this weird square dance of back and forth
anyone remember the neon local time to universal time conversion?
vale pawn
akila city got a good mineral store just inside the city
second store on the left I think
mild bridge
yeah but I want one where I can wait a short period of time
Akila you need to wait 42 local hours give or take.
vale pawn
good point, not sure the wait times there
mild bridge
Im gonna try neon
vale pawn
thinking about it NA doesn't have a mineral store, or do they?
mild bridge
oh you know what I really probably should do.
yeah Im being stupid
I should actually research the base building skills.
as in like max out outpost engineering, and then ya know, research the associated projects.
that would be smart
probably save me a lot of time later.
alright time to tear down everything I just did
cause Im gonna come back and do it better
mild bridge
yeahhhh Im gonna max out the outpost skill, research all the thingies from it, then go back and build these outposts properly
neons wait times are also, terrible
maybe cydonia???
vale pawn
don't think they really have a mineal shop
mild bridge
don't think they really have a mineal shop
supposedly the UC exchange is filled with stuff
vale pawn
ahh only been in there once for a quest and only looked at the equipment they had
mild bridge
yeah no idea.
welp
guess its Neon for mineral buying
only requiring a wait of 32 hours.
ish
give or take
vale pawn
good thing people don't age in Bethesda games
mild bridge
yup