how many scooby snacks to fight one of the big 4?
#Heresy? HERESY?! [Warhammer + 40k]
meager shoal
dense isle
how many scooby snacks to fight one of the big 4?
Fight? Or win. Very different quantities
rotund moon
frosty quail
X
meager shoal
frosty quail
X
dense isle
dense isle
If you cough up the cash
tepid tundra
me in the middle of a raffle hoping to get it early
indigo sparrow
Can we talk about other minis games here, or is this just For The Emperor?
prime summit
I think nerdtalk or tavern is better, unless it takes over.
Then we make a thread for it.
rotund moon
^^ pretty much
tall rivet
shell wind
Tomorrow is going to be fun. Taxman is coming.
Can't not hear* immortal imperium or disposal unit and not just vibe out.
dense isle
The ability to shield and pistol is…. Hoooh. Thats the good stuff.
I might get him. Like. Oooooh.
tiny pike
Tomorrow is going to be fun. Taxman is coming.
RoboCopJudgeDredd McIRSDogman.
Coloquially known as "The Taxman".
(Because he collects the Imperial Tithe.)
tepid tundra
im already updating the game
meager shoal
flat halo
NGL, that actually slaps
trim cypress
Ye
shell wind
The Taxman and the IRS (you can name the dog) are on the loose.
shell wind
They just dropped inquisition armor and pieces, and they're FIRE.
fathom stump
dense isle
dude. your little mans paint is gonna chip from that abrasion.
tepid tundra
The Taxman and the IRS (you can name the dog) are on the loose.
i named my guy after Ramsay bolten
tiny pike
meager shoal
isnt that the whole 3k in his arms? 😛
fathom stump
If we use 1995 as the year (midpoint of that particular logo), the prize was £7300 or $11K in 2025 currencies
static blade
Then yeah, he's holding the whole prize
dense isle
…………….. god damn.
dense isle
Then yeah, he's holding the *whole prize*
You overestimate GWs price gouging.
Like. Yes their prices are absurd. But. No individual product that one can hold (except mayhaps a warlord) is over 300 dollars.
11 grand of GW can and will still get you a WALL of models.
fathom stump
I'm pretty sure he's joking mind
static blade
was a funny, yeh.
dense isle
sorry!
static blade
No worries, I've had far worse misunderstandings of my humor than that
dense isle
Yeah. Been there myself…. Apparently having borderline gallows humor is disturbing to several organizations…. Who knew……
static blade
Booo no fun
dense isle
Exactly!
dense isle
Get teleported fool.
solemn mason
Get teleported fool.
Hate that Tzeentxh guy.
meager shoal
dense isle
Tzeentch just wanted to play a prank. Start a lil heresy. Maybe play a children’s card game.
dense isle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510558128723460096/1387641668659974175/20...
That is at most like 1.5-2 grand of models. Thats if you bought them at MSRP and as individual boxes.
If that ruined your savings for a house you already screwed up.
If you went for value boxes that could be knocked down significantly. Depending on when and where of course.
I get it
It’s a meme
Warhammer expensive
But like. Real talk. It’s bad in its own unique ways. The recent price hiking and continual increases well beyond inflation. The fact that specific armies have minis that are rarely put into value boxes. Old armies with ancient ranges that receive no updates, while some armies are a subscription service. General quality decreases. There are reasons to be mad. But shuffling it all under “hur dur army cost money” is unhelpful and annoying.
You could probably get that army off of eBay second hand for 500ish bucks.
Which yes. Is not nothing. But it’s not a bloody house.
Wanna be mad at GW and Warhammer? Great! There tons of nuanced reasons! Oversimplification though is frustrating.
meager shoal
solemn mason
what army that cat play?
prime summit
Ratlings, surprisingly.
static blade
Not too surprising, really. Turns out you learn really well how they fight when you hunt em.
north hedge
OK, I can’t decide how to paint my imperial guard I’m torn between black armour and tan fabrics or dark green fabrics or red armour and dark green fabric
static blade
hmmm, last one feels a bit too solstice jingle jangle. if you have any spare bits from other models, try doing the different combinations on them as test runs?
north hedge
Any thoughts on this paint scheme?
dense isle
looks awesome
dense isle
I greatly overestimated my own painting speed…. I thought I’d get like 3 colours and some touchups done on my vespids and all I got through was mono colour block painting the chiton. Good news is next time I sit down it’s all detail work which I greatly enjoy.
dense isle
only 3?
traditionally if carnifexes are being run you'll see 10 being run.
and thats just the shock troops. god help you when your opponent starts setting down 3 neurolichtors, neurotyrants, and anything else that could ruin your day.
meager shoal
tepid tundra
traditionally if carnifexes are being run you'll see 10 being run.
im mostly assuming as you go further into the waves you get more and more bosses at the end of each stage
dense isle
I was just meming about army composition
tepid tundra
cause yeh at first its just one guy then the next stage its 2 then 3 but i havnet gotta further yet
well my vanguard is back to max level again after prestiging once so i might survive this time
bitter eagle
So I recently re downloaded darktide solely for the arbite and am on now and have just discovered there is no solo games functionality is this correct or am I missing something
rotund moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_neKF4_1SvM
Here's some premium heresy for the thread
dense isle
So I recently re downloaded darktide solely for the arbite and am on now and hav...
You can play solo. You’ll just have 3 useless AI companions.
bitter eagle
I can’t find the option lol
bitter eagle
It says you need 2 players to start a game but will try that tonight
dense isle
…. Hmmmmm
I’ll do some googling.
Google I swear to god I’ve played matches with 3 bots do not lie to me.
Okay I can’t find anything very sorry.
bitter eagle
All good I did the same before I asked here will continue with randoms and friends was just curious as enjoy playing solo a lot of the time
rotund moon
Yeah sadly darktide is just not built for solo at all
Randoms usually do a decent enough job, though
solemn mason
It says you need 2 players to start a game but will try that tonight
Yes, unfortunately in fatsharks infinite wisdom you cannot be in a party alone.
The promised solo mode from launch has not been implemented, among other things.
tall rivet
fathom stump
north hedge
What would be a better colour for batter, black armor, Corvis black or black Legion on White scar
north hedge
OK, I can’t decide on the colours for my guard Should I do Corvis black, black Legion or iron warrior?
ebon spruce
I was just casually playing Darktide Mortis Trials...i magically got some how 100% DR on toughness as Wound Zealot
I was getting beated by Deamonhost and ranged...i was not taking damage
I dint expect become near immortal
Techically still can die by sniper - control enemy
dense isle
@young token welcome to the containment cell
we break out often enough so its not the worst thing ever
young token
buisness as usual
dense isle
yeah
but anywho GW likes their guaranteed money rather than "cool lore thing that might make money"
young token
unfortunately. I.E fantasy
only reason why its even being revived is because they saw money due to total war.
and why so many old things are just rehashed instead of trying to be new. fear of not just printing a new super yacht
dense isle
at least AOS has a better balancing comittee than 40k.
they.
I dont know if you understand what they've done to tyranids this edition but they essentially crippled half of the model range and told us to cry about it as they've done nothing to fix it.
Tyranids now instead of being a well balanced force, are all melee. pure melee. only melee. ignore how half of our models have GOOD SHOOTING. but NO. NO SHOOTING SUBFACTION FOR US. ONLY MELEE.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ahem
anywho
things are finneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
young token
that is a wonderful and by wonderful I mean agonizing pain.
for the tabletop game itself I barely touched it. and that was for a time when a version was on tabletop sim.
so I got the joys of tzeentch bafoonery without the wallet bleeding
dense isle
thats nice
Im out here with like.... uhhh.... I havent done the math but lets call it 3.5-4K points of nidds and
look it hurts but theres always next ed
its literally just the fact that since we're the big bad of this ed they can't make us good
like
actually
I know GW says thats not the case but
like
if you see the rules between armies its fairly easy to find "who was the bad guy of this ed" based upon whos rules are utter dogwater.
occatoinally someone else has equally bad rules but I dont believe Ive ever seen worse.
good news is my Ork Boyz are doing well
so thats nice
young token
they say its not the case because otherwise it make people not want to buy those models. but mechanically its often the case because they want to sell the 'heros'
they always have a time.
I have ptsd
but its good that they got a good time
dense isle
given the tyranids have actually legitimately only 2 epic heroes we're fairly safe from that issue.
yay?
but yeah
named characters (often) sell well
young token
like when I played tzeentch mechanically. while I had fun. just was easy shat on even by just plain guardsmen. but I dont know the exact edition I was playing so I cant really give good judgement
thats why named characters exist generally.
but for factions like tyranids having a named character is much more impactful selling wise since uh.
its kinda a galatic hivemind
kinda hard to have 'named' characters beyond whats yelled about a particularly lucky dude
dense isle
the funny thing with nidds named characters is that the 2 we have, one is a hyper adapted bioform that keeps its memory between creations and has the tactical genius to destroy even the best humanity has to offer as a tactician.
the other is a very grumpy carnifex that refuses to die.
thats it
thats Tyranids characters
the Swarmlord and Old One Eye
young token
yeah so literally one that, due to how tyrannids is was purposely made for such purpose
and the other. to put it bluntly. is the bloody lucky one that is a problem for everyone
and is given a name by those that 'yelled' loudly in the lore stance
dense isle
and now his genetics have been cloned to all of Hive Fleet Behemoths other Carnifexes!
young token
super funni
dense isle
so now theres millions of Old One Eyes! (at minimum)
young token
yep sounds about right
'this one is super effective. duplicate it'
dense isle
thats Tyranids for ya!
young token
which is lovely
tiny pike
"This one wasn't effective, but was funny. Let's duplicate it even more."
tiny pike
Answer is usually Bill.
dense isle
I mean yeah. that one time that Hive Guard accidentally absorbed the super kidney from spacies wasn't super useful, but it was great psychological warfare so they kept putting them in there.
I mean it probably is a good organ
but like
psychological warfare go brrrrrt
(no but seriously nobody knows why the super kidney is there)
tiny pike
I mean yeah. that one time that Hive Guard accidentally absorbed the super kidne...
I kinda want them to absorb the liver from a Space Wolf, and start getting drunk off the Wolf booze.
dense isle
I mean if nidds have faced Space Wolves they've got the ability to replicate it
interestingly
Tyranids are so potent at adaptation in warfare they can create plagues and bio weapons that can kill even Plague Marines, although that specific feat is only commonly achieved by Hive Fleet Gorgon.
Nidds are great
tiny pike
I mean if nidds have faced Space Wolves they've got the ability to replicate it
Start of Space Marine 2, tutorial mission has you fighting alongside Ulfar, one of the more recently made famous Wolves.
He finally gets his glorious death, at the claws of Nidds
dense isle
ah. yeahhhh. they've got his organs then.
or at least that hive fleet does
I mean most other hive fleets probably do too?
that is one weird thing about genetic replication in nidds
tiny pike
I mean most other hive fleets probably do too?
Assuming that the Hive Fleets are able to share genetic data at a reasonable pace.
dense isle
theres a reason I specified that only Behemoth had the newly enhanced carnifexes.
because they're the only ones seen using them. I am guessing that theres a more localized net within each hive fleet in which genetic codes are shared, and maybe based upon how effective they are it goes up the chain?
its basically impossible to know
my guess is, if something was TRULY revolutionarily effective
every hive fleet would learn of it
the problem is since Nidds have basically already seen most of everything the useful adaptaions are only minor improvements and thus need further testing
like yes Old One Eye physically refuses to die, but his genetics copied onto other Carnifexes havent worked that way. clearly something is missing. the hive fleet must learn and grow from it before it is implimented elsewhere.
tiny pike
every hive fleet would learn of it
The greatest mind behind all the Hive Fleets sees Billy Bob Nibbler being so effective that it took an entire city on its own, decides to make every Hive Fleet now host copies of Billy Bob Nibbler
young token
yeah the hivefleets probably need to meet up to share genetic data that is deemed super valuable. but due to how they opperate they tend to adapt base on location and operations
dense isle
yeah the hivefleets probably need to meet up to share genetic data that is deeme...
oh absolutely. adaptations are almost always local.
on occation select Hive Fleets will get an improvement (see Behemoth) but even then it rarely spreads to the others
young token
but yea billy bob nibbler was probably instant elevated to 'primary goon' due to general effectiveness
but one eye. while super effective. is also generally more costly. so behemoth gets gibs
dense isle
anywho I do think it has something to do with that wound Old One Eye took. nobody quite knows why he always gets back up. because the other Carnifexes even though they've obtained his rapid regeneration, do in fact stay dead.
because One Eye still has that exposed bone. that eye injury never fully healed.
young token
bro probs was buit with the instructions upside down and they just shot the wrong eye
:P
dense isle
but one eye. while super effective. is also generally more costly. so behemoth g...
I personally believe its because its still being tested. but also a reasonable posibility.
tiny pike
I mean, in terms of out-of-universe reasons:
It's because every faction needs at least one Unique named unit, and the Nidds aren't really set up for anything like that in lore, so GW created Old One Eye to fill in that role of Unique named Nidd Unit.
young token
yeah, obviously. and you know, cash cow.
tiny pike
In terms of Lore, I blame Tzeentch.
young token
due to how the lore is you literally cant rule that out.
Which is always funny
dense isle
except that NIdds are chaos resistant and if you infect them with chaos they become significantly weaker.
dense isle
due to how the lore is you literally cant rule that out.
Which is always funny
actually with Nidds you can!
turns out: chaos doesnt interact great with giant univeral hivemind of doom
tiny pike
Shadow in the Warp can't stop Tzeentch's scheming.
Only slow it down.
young token
I dont mean in a direct intervention case, but influencing what accidentally lead to that
dense isle
Shadow in the Warp can't stop Tzeentch's scheming.
Only slow it down.
okay fair
dense isle
I dont mean in a direct intervention case, but influencing what accidentally lea...
okay fair.
his schemes are virulent and eternal
damned bird.
young token
while the tyranids become goop. the bullet probably had a whole lotta slight manipulations to make a sheer chance into an amusing reality
tiny pike
his schemes are virulent and eternal
"Virulent", you say?
That's very Nurglite of you.
:P
dense isle
"Virulent", you say?
That's very Nurglite of you.
Papa Nurgle loves all.
young token
damned bird.
it is required when playing the eternal game. gotta make sure you both win and lose at the same time :3
tiny pike
Papa Nurgle loves all.
I personally prefer Gork and Mork, myself.
And in rare cases, Gorkamorka.
dense isle
I STILL think Tzeentch actually sponsored Alpha Legion and only holds onto Magnus and the Dust Boys as a distraction to the greater plan.
dense isle
I personally prefer Gork and Mork, myself.
Gork and Mork are pretty damn good. always down for a good krumpin
tiny pike
I STILL think Tzeentch actually sponsored Alpha Legion and only holds onto Magnu...
Alpha Legion's loyalist, though. 
dense isle
Alpha Legion's loyalist, though. <:Lofty:593894634359488537>
well yes as it is after 10pm on a friday.
but come saturday......
tiny pike
Come Saturday, they're still loyalist. They're just being directed by Omegaron rather than Alpharius, as Alpharius needs a nap on Saturdays.
young token
I mean Tzeentch is probably also sponsoring whatever loyalist will inconvenience his followers because its funny.
cosmic trickster and putting convenient obstacles the trip over at the worst times.
tepid tundra
i just post my entire responses from the other warhammer stuff hereno skarbrand does have a model
you see him full on diving at guilliman in some art
slaaneshs named greater daemon model is some extreme huntsman who went toe to toe with skarbrand in skill
its kinda the ku gath, rotgus thing all over again
and space is big so yeh plenty of space marine chapters
tall rivet
tiny pike
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873300833775788113/1391095617119588402/RD...
The first two panels are very innaccurate representations of Trazyn. He'd be elated to get more museum pieces, regardless of the source.
dense isle
Trazyn LOVES the concept of people attempting to go beyond their station. It amuses him. Keeps life fresh. Especially when it comes with new museum pieces.
Panel 3 though. I mean. It’s hard to say.
tiny pike
He would probably make an entire wing for the new artifacts, and then have maybe a 2 decade long phase of the other parts of panel 3.
dense isle
Probably
tiny pike
static blade
book 2 summary:
"Put it back"
"no, it's mine."
"Put it back"
"I don't wanna"
"Put. It. Back"
"Fiiiiine, spoilsport."
also add a "what millenium is it?" somewhere in there.
tiny pike
book 2 summary:
"Put it back"
"no, it's mine."
"Put it *back*"
"I don't wanna"
"...
Don't forget Trazyn being put on trial for BS reasons by a packed court that was packed by the guy that took the thing from Trazyn's museum that Trazyn's repeatedly telling him to put back, and even with repeated time travel by the non-Trazyn guy for infinite doovers of the trial, Trazyn still always gets acquitted and walks free.
static blade
never bring science to the political battlefield.
dense isle
Don't forget Trazyn being put on trial for BS reasons by a packed court that was...
In doing so dooms several million necrons to eternal death. The time travel that is.
The warp doesn’t like time being messed with.
tepid tundra
the warp doesnt even govern time travel there is no time there!
tiny pike
Correct. Which is why it's used for time travel.
tepid tundra
yeh cause your basically stepping out of time and hoping to enter at the correct point
though there is that one guy where for him stepping out of time is like pulling oneself out of a river and then jumping from slippery rock to slippery rock hoping to not fall back in
tall rivet
dense isle
fool. no grocies for you today.
meager shoal
flat halo
Holy crap that is really good. You wouldn't think the cartoony movements would translate that well
meager shoal
north hedge
Just to ask if a unit get in a transport can the transport still move if it didn’t move already
tepid tundra
turns out the crusade fleet is just passing through combatting nearby campaigns and just moves on a few months later
dense isle
dense isle
Yeeeeesssss
tall rivet
bitter eagle
It’s all well and good until you need more ripper swarms (they should really sell them separately at this point)
dense isle
It’s all well and good until you need more ripper swarms (they should really sel...
I don’t think you truly understand how many ripper models we nidd players have.
At this point even I’ve lost count.
bitter eagle
I have a friend who plays nids who has non and runs the parasite of mortex
dense isle
ah. okay see.
now thats the difference
once you've got a parasite or two out then you can absolutely run out
although speaking of, did you see the new nidds box that was anounced?
its a damn good box, IF, the tyrant guard can be built as hive guard.
there is essentially no reason they shouldnt be able to other than GW being bastards, but, GW are bastards, so dunno.
if they're stuck as tyrant guard then its only a fairly good steal if you need parasite and bio.
bitter eagle
Ohh yer I like all of these boxes lol tempted to expand my Templar finally and pick up a couple of the combat patrol to do that
dense isle
And luckily they’re combat patrols so it’s not (extremely) time limited. Which is nice.
meager shoal
X
bitter eagle
And luckily they’re combat patrols so it’s not (extremely) time limited. Which i...
Yer means I can buy 1 a month or 1 see how it does then expand lol
dense isle
Yea
For me I’m gonna wait a bit then try to snag 2 of the nidd boxes. I’ve needed biovores for a while and well, those are 90 bucks a pop. That’s most of the box right there!
A bit being like 2-3 months
I ain’t made of money!
Well I mean my organs arguably are but that’s splitting hairs
tall rivet
fathom stump
ok, that one deserves a chuckle
dense isle
It tis a good funny
tiny pike
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520825615977414656/1394785334977495151/im...
Trade Soul for Sheep.
tall rivet
All I got are robots
tiny pike
Robots for 65 million years of sleep.
dense isle
I’ll trade you this loud green mushroom for a road.
tiny pike
Only if you give me the Webway gate you have as well as the loud green mushroom.
dense isle
Mmmmmm…… fine.
urban flint
dense isle
Snrk
tepid tundra
we got chaos dwarves for age of sigmar
dense isle
….. diggy hole
north hedge
Yes, instead of shooting through the air you shot through the ground
static blade
ahh burrowing mortars
tepid tundra
i like the robot bits the most for teh new votann
bitter eagle
Can’t dodge a projectile you can’t see
knotty mango
Yes, instead of shooting through the air you shot through the ground
I feel like this would be very unsafe on boarding actions
meager shoal
meager shoal
dense isle
Never enough
north hedge
OK, I’ve been thinking about this I Wanna run by and see if it would actually work I want to make a vex themed army from destiny for necrons .
dense isle
Totally
tepid tundra
huh apparently the terminus decree is finally revealed in the upcoming grey knights codex
urban flint
Because the Grey Knights are a bit sus
I suppose you could also say the same about the opposite
dense isle
So why are grey knights fighting custodes now?
okay there was a recent lore thing that came out that was really. really. REALLY. dumb.
and honestly
Im pretending its not real
vague gust
Oh so the grey knights attacking the emperor is actually real?
urban flint
This does not surprise me
dense isle
but TLDR: grey knights were formed from some of the big Es personal genetics (this is not new) what the NEW bit of lore is, is that they opened the letter they were told to NOT OPEN, and now we know the contents which are essentially "prevent the emperor from leaving the throne at all costs"
and so theres a theoretical coming schism where the golden boys want to return big Es power by killing all the greyknights (thereby returning the lost genetic essense or some nonsense), and the greyknights wanna keep big E on the throne.
this letter was also theortecially written by the big E himself which again. makes zero sense. and goes against basically all previously written lore.
someone was given too much freedom on a project they didnt understand and they turned it into a bullshit stupid VS match that NOBODY WANTED.
which. by the way, is not even a contest.
a Greyknight is to most space marines, what most space marines are to a guardsman.
they're just that good and have that nice of equipment.
a god damned CUSTODES is worlds beyond that. given that there are at any given time only around 1000 greyknights, and the true number of custodes is, unknown but probably more than that, they greyknights are going to be quite literally SLAUGHTERED.
this is DUMB
this shouldnt even have happened
the whole point of the letter was to be a thing that just looms spookily in the background that was never revealed!
but NOPE
some idiot pulled the pin on it
and now we get to wait half a decade for a retcon!
vague gust
It’s been stated many times in lore that 1 custodes can solo a army
dense isle
I DONT EVEN LIKE SPACE MARINES AND I THINK THIS IS STUPID
dense isle
It’s been stated many times in lore that 1 custodes can solo a army
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
depends on the army
but yes Custodes are disturbingly powerful
thats kinda their point
they're the ultimate space marine. handcrafted by the emperor to be the biggest baddest leathalest thing out there.
and 5 of them died to an endless onslaught of gaunts one time
cause get wrecked nerds.
tyranids always win.
thats not me meming btw, legitimately in lore 5 custodes had this brutally awesome last stand against a tyranid invasion, and all that happened was they chewed through a few thousand gaunts each before they literally died of exhaustion. there were just too many gaunts to fight. good times.
I think it took a few days straight of fighting to do
to be fair
which to me just made both sides in that conflict more badass.
its like the opposite of a Warf incident.
just two badass forces go against each otehr and sure one "lost" but like.... they looked so cool doing it.
vague gust
Technically because the nids consumed pure custodes genes they could just have all nids be like them but shhhhh the authors forgot about this
dense isle
Technically because the nids consumed pure custodes genes they could just have a...
no. thats not it at all.
what? you thought custodes had the best genetics out there?
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
the tyranids have been sampling the entire UNIVERSE for god knows how long.
some little bipedal upstarts with odd genetics aren't going to change milenia of genetic engineering overnight.
although some hiveguard have been reported to be displaying different organs with semblences to some unique space marine features.
TLDR: its being experemented with but nidds havent quite found anything they like yet
vague gust
I will be honest the nids werr always my least favorite faction personally, same with Zerg infinite bug rush of genetics jsut feels bland
Though I do like the imperial guard, that’s Mainly because they have cool vehicles
dense isle
I will be honest the nids werr always my least favorite faction personally, same...
..... the zerg are a rip off of tyranids.
no like literally
the zerg in starcraft 1 were originally tyranids before they had to rebrand the game
I like my lil bug friends
and the mushroom orks
because yes orks are mushrooms
vague gust
Kaldor drago shows up to help with the terminus decree :p
vague gust
Has anyone seen my tangerines?
dense isle
I see
dense isle
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
dense isle
checks out
urban flint
tepid tundra
So why are grey knights fighting custodes now?
not yet
the emperor has not gotten off the throne yet
it was bound to eventually happen that they opened it cause Draigo was going to every grand master telling them its time to discuss opening the decree
dense isle
which I stand by the fact that letter should have never been openened and Im trapping Draigo in the eye of terror for the next 40,000 years for his crimes.
dense isle
okay wait theres actually a good meme that came out of this
tepid tundra
at least they werent wrong bout it be a potentially destabilizing truth
tepid tundra
not unless its some weird circumstances like they get the backing of some inquisitors or if the guide line bit of he gets transferred to another body and that body just happens to be elsewhere not on terra
the stupidest one ive seen memes for is them getting chaos to help which is never going to happen
meager shoal
tzneech might for the lols
tiny pike
a Greyknight is to most space marines, what most space marines are to a guardsma...
The true number of Custodes is both higher than 1000, and at least 10,000, but potentially way more, and 1 Custodes would be able to solo at least all 1000 Grey Knights.
dense isle
tzneech might for the lols
The greyknights literal purpose is to destroy all of chaos.
tiny pike
And they're doing a really bad job about it.
dense isle
The true number of Custodes is both higher than 1000, and at least 10,000, but p...
I’d say it would take 2. Someone’s gotta bring the popcorn.
tiny pike
Cause look at that, Chaos is still there.
tiny pike
I’d say it would take 2. Someone’s gotta bring the popcorn.
I mean, yeah, the second one's bringing popcorn, obviously. But for actual fighting, only one is needed.
dense isle
Fair
meager shoal
i never said tzneech to would send chaos, he has tendril everywhere 😛 might even try to get traz to go there to add big E to his collection 😛
dense isle
Trazyn doesn’t want the big E. Big E isn’t interesting. He’s just. There.
Trazyn would want the THRONE.
tiny pike
But yeah, this new Terminus Decree lore to me just reads like an Inquisition+Greyknights fanboy managed to get into GW's writing department. Because ain't no way the Grey Knights are pulling off what that letter now supposedly says is their "purpose". Even with the Inquisition backing that they'd definitely have because at this point the Grey Knights and the Inquisition are the same organization.
And yeah, Trazyn wouldn't care about Big E himself. Perpetuals aren't interesting enough to collect. The Golden Throne, though, that is an interesting artifact that Trazyn would definitely want.
The only interesting things about Perpetuals are the fact that they're inherently immortal (but the kind where they can still die in battle), and each of them have a funky extra power on top of that (with Vulkan's being the most useful of a Respawn Timer).
"Inherently immortal" and "funky extra power unique to the individual Perpetual" are not interesting enough things for Trazyn to care about collecting Perpetuals.
dense isle
But yeah I…. I don’t know who thought this was a good idea
tiny pike
But yeah I…. I don’t know who thought this was a good idea
Clearly an Inquisition+Greyknights fanboy who managed to get into GW's writing department.
dense isle
“Prevent the emperor from doing what he’s been attempting to do since the dawn of yes”
dense isle
Clearly an Inquisition+Greyknights fanboy who managed to get into GW's writing d...
Clearly.
tiny pike
Me thinks we need to force another Months of Shame upon the Inquisition and Greyknights.
dense isle
I wish TTS was still around. They’d take the absolute piss out of this.
dense isle
Me thinks we need to force another Months of Shame upon the Inquisition and Grey...
At least. Mayhaps we rebuild the grey knights from the ground up.
tiny pike
Preferably a "Multiple Millennia of Shame" this time, rather than just a few months.
tiny pike
At least. Mayhaps we rebuild the grey knights from the ground up.
Nah. Not unless the Inquisition is completely obliterated and not also rebuilt. Because otherwise they'll remerge at some point and become a problem again.
dense isle
The inquisition is a joke. I say we chuck Cain at them.
Oh sure he’s “dead” but did that ever stop him before?
tiny pike
And also Khaine. Let the Eldar help get rid of the tumor of all tumors.
dense isle
Checks out
tiny pike
Plus, lots of potential jokes having Cain working alongside Khaine.
dense isle
Maybe we’ll find where Vulkan went.
tepid tundra
And they're doing a *really bad job* about it.
i mean they do it better then most
tepid tundra
And also Khaine. Let the Eldar help get rid of the tumor of all tumors.
wait are we saying inquistion or khaine is the tumor?
prime summit
👀
hexed shuttle
Oh! Mechanicus 2
tiny pike
wait are we saying inquistion or khaine is the tumor?
Inquisition is the tumor.
tepid tundra
and space dwarves
tepid tundra
all of us being jealous
static blade
couldn't help it
dense isle
snrk
vague gust
dense isle
and then they all died instantly
because no seriously. if big E gets off that throne he aint coming back.
vague gust
If I remember correctly doesn’t the palace just have a whole titan just vibing inside of it
Also the comic is funny because if they even got that far it’s just nonsense plot armor
tiny pike
One of them would get it halfway out of the sheathing latch, before all of them would drop dead from the Custodes being way more powerful.
dense isle
the stodes, the emperors PERSONAL army of body guards and lethal agents.
so good at EVERYTHING that yeah.
they'd power up the sword, begin to draw, and they'd all be meat cubes.
custodes are literally masters of stealth
to the point hte only way they get better is gigantic century long wargames against themselves with the fate of Tera in the balance
custodes are "that guy"
they're legitimately some of my favorite spacies.
and I really dont like spacies
chaos spacies are cool
but normal spacies? meh.
but custodes?
oh custodeeeessss
I think TTS memery has made people think less of them in the general consensus.
tiny pike
The only things that can hold up to Custodes besides other Custodes?
Endless waves of the Nids' strongest soldier type (emphasis on Endless), and Harlequins because Harlequins have the direct support of an actual god.
dense isle
The only things that can hold up to Custodes besides other Custodes?
Endless wa...
strongest?!
hero 5 custodes were beaten purely using gaunts.
one of the weakest bioforms
it took like
thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands
but it EVENTUALLY WORKED
tiny pike
strongest?!
hero 5 custodes were beaten purely using gaunts.
Yeah. Strongest.
-# The joke is "God's strongest soldier" insert teeny tiny little thing that couldn't hurt a fly.
dense isle
if you mean in a 1 on 1 battle though, higher ranked demons have a fairly good chance.
dense isle
Yeah. Strongest.
-# The joke is "God's strongest soldier" *insert teeny tiny li...
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Im a goober
uhhh quinns yeah they've got a shot
it would be tough but
like
they've got the laughing god on their side
dense isle
hmmmmm.... oh. Ghaz would put up a hellova fight
I mean
thats basically putting up a primarch against them
so thats not entirely fair
Nidds actually have a few high tier bioforms that have a good shot
theres little out there that can 1v1 a stodes in proper combat outside of like, named entities.
old one eye would EVENTUALLY win
because well
old one eye physically cant die
tiny pike
But that's mainly because Ol' One Eye can't die, yeah.
That's not fair to the Custodes.
dense isle
yeah
neither can Ghaz interestingly enough
orkish belief is so strong in him if he dies a new ork just BECOMES ghaz
same with makari
tiny pike
If we limit it to things that can die, then the Custodes don't really have much competition, outside a couple named Daemons, and the aforementioned Clown Elves.
dense isle
yeah
and this is in a 1v1 situation
not ya know "we can throw literally unlimited numbers at them"
because as seen that does EVENTUALLY work
tiny pike
Yeah. 1v1. Clown Elves have a shot, but not a good one.
The named Daemons have a better shot, but not much better.
dense isle
primarchs and demon primarchs could mop the floor but
like
look I'd pay money to watch the Khan clown on an overconfident goldy. but it wouldnt be close.
tiny pike
A non-Vulkan Primarch (Vulkan is excluded because Respawn Timer), could also maybe do it in a 1v1, but it'd still be close to a coin flip.
dense isle
it really wouldnt
stodes are close to primarchs baseline, arguably.
primarchs then have their warp forms to tack on extra potency.
tiny pike
A lot of the Primarchs are slowing down a fair bit, from not having a crusade to keep them sharp anymore.
dense isle
a primarch starts to lose and just goes "oh screw this" and becomes a giant demonic bird that can rend reality asunder.
dense isle
A lot of the Primarchs are slowing down a fair bit, from not having a crusade to...
blueberrious johnson over there is fighting more paperwork than worthy opponents
but the other living ones are doing fairly well keeping themselves sharp
tiny pike
Girlyman's been sitting behind a desk for so long his legs are probably starting to atrophy a bit.
tiny pike
Vulkan's probably been dead for the past while due to Curze being a dick who knows about the Respawn Timer (and Vulkan's banned anyway because of that Respawn Timer).
dense isle
I mean he might finally unlock his god damned warp powers at that point jesus christ dude you're so far behind the curb its embarassing.
even the Khan figured those out! I think. arguably.
tiny pike
The Traitor Primarchs have all gone insane and probably haven't been truly keeping up their combat readiness, except the ones that fell to Khorne.
dense isle
and only one of them is canonically unkillable
the others are mostly hiding
Angron is literally too angry to die
the others can fall
potentially
it would be really hard
and then they'd probably just come back anyways through warp fuckery
tiny pike
I mean, the only reason Angron's too angry to die, is the Butcher Nails.
The Custodes probably know what the Butcher Nails are doing, and could potentially remove them, allowing Angron to die.
dense isle
I thought that was a new perk of his demon form.
no like thats not a meme
its gone beyond the nails IIRC
tiny pike
Yesn't. It's a combination of the Daemon form and the Nails.
dense isle
checks out
tiny pike
The Daemon form feeds off the evil angy juju of the Nails.
dense isle
okay actually you know what I wanna see?
a custodes vs a psi titan
custodes would PROBABLY win
but like
it would be fun
tiny pike
That would be a fun fight to watch.
A friendly spar between Vulkan and a Custodes would also be fun (no actual fight to the death, because again, Vulkan would be cheating because of the Respawn Timer).
dense isle
okay you keep mentioning that
is that real?
like I know he died off screen
but like. "vulkan is gonna be back any day now" I thought was our collective cope
tiny pike
Yeah. His Perpetual power is he can revive from any death.
tiny pike
Curze likes to kill him repeatedly because Curze is a dick and knows about it.
(In terms of Curze's actual motivation, it's that Curze thinks that if he kills Vulkan enough times, Vulkan will properly snap and show the "inner cruelty" that Curze believes everyone has as their true core self.)
dense isle
...... hold on.... okay if Im reading this right....
Vulkan is a perpetual yes, but thats STILL not his warp power.
tiny pike
...... hold on.... okay if Im reading this right....
Vulkan is a perpetual yes,...
Correct. The Warp power is different from his Perpetual Power.
dense isle
thats just part of the genetics he got from ol pappy
holy crap Vulkan
I knew you were one of the best but. god damn.
tiny pike
Perpetuals get a power, and the Primarchs get a Warp Power.
Vulkan, being a Primarch who is a Perpetual, gets both.
dense isle
(In terms of Curze's *actual* motivation, it's that Curze thinks that if he kill...
dude. so rude.
dense isle
Perpetuals get a power, and the Primarchs get a Warp Power.
Vulkan, being a Pri...
cause he's just that good.
technically there is a metal that could kill him but
I have the astranged feeling people already tried that
and it didnt stick
tiny pike
Iirc, it made the respawn take a fair bit longer than a death of that wound type otherwise would (It takes longer the worse the wound, with full atomization taking the longest), but yeah, it didn't stick.
The last time we saw Vulkan, it was likely a full atomization death, because cause of death was "gods damn Volcano".
tiny pike
But yeah, the only Primarchs that would probably still be in tiptop shape for a 1v1 fight with a Custodes, would be Khan and Russ, at least by my guesses.
dense isle
Khan, Russ, Ravenbro, Alpherius/Omegon (in a 2v2 scenario because no way Alpherius is ACTUALLY dead), Vulkan (but is banned).
the lion MAYBE, given that he wasn't decaying over time he was preserved and essentially is the same as he was pre hiding.
no seriously
I dont believe Alpherius actually died that day.
tiny pike
Alpharius is definitely alive, yes.
dense isle
whats the phrase?
the greatest trick trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist
tiny pike
But yeah, the rest, including probably Rowboat Girlyman (due to being stuck behind a desk for so long), are unlikely to be in tiptop shape for a fight with the Custodes.
dense isle
yea
tiny pike
And of course Curze is too busy being angry evil Batman Who Laughs (without the laughter) who wants to make Vulkan snap and be angry to try and prove to Vulkan that people are inherently cruel.
dense isle
Vulkan may snap certainly but it will probably be closer to "oh to hell with this" and he just awakens whatever warpy goodness he has inside of him and bashes his way out with hugs and laughter.
tiny pike
Hugs, laughter, and a really really big forge hammer.
dense isle
I think thats actually one of the relics the sally's have
so
he'd just have to find or make a new one
which, while not hard, would add a lil bit of time to his return
honestly I think the only reason he hasn't returned yet is he hasn't found a nice enough hammer
tiny pike
Still depressed that his bro who made him the really really nice looking hammer went Traitor. :P
dense isle
truly
although he does get to clown on the iron hands for taking his quote out of context
so
modestly worth
it evens out
tiny pike
Vulkan: "The flesh is weak, but the deeds live on."
Iron Hands and Cult Mechanicus: "That second part can't stop us because we can't read!"
dense isle
snrk
bitter eagle
I know I’m late to the conversation but I feel if custodes vs grey knights where to happen all it would take is one sister of silence as correct me if I’m wrong but all grey knights are psykers I also don’t think the idea is that custodes go on the aggressive but that grey knights do if the emperor gets up which he obviously hasn’t
tiny pike
I know I’m late to the conversation but I feel if custodes vs grey knights where...
One Sister of Silence, or a blank, would shut them down hard, yeah.
solemn mason
mostly overkill because of how good a custode is to a grey night
tiny pike
The Grey Knights aren't the strongest of Psykers, but they're Psyker enough that a blank would wreck havoc on them.
solemn mason
but yeah, a SoS would lock em down pretty good
dense isle
I know I’m late to the conversation but I feel if custodes vs grey knights where...
yes. one SoS would be able to probably kill half of the grey knights.
tiny pike
Making it so that the single acting Custodes wouldn't even need a weapon to kill the other 500.
dense isle
because blanks have beaten demon princes in one on one combat.
now of course that is because of their supercharged blankness but lets be clear.
the grey knights are only as powerful as tehy are BECAUSE they are all psychers.
tiny pike
Just raw fist in the split second, thanks to the Sister of Silence.
dense isle
this new plotline is just
so
moronic
it makes zero sense
on any and all levels
who let them write this garbage
tiny pike
An Inqusition+Greyknight fanboy who managed to get into GW's writing department, clearly.
bitter eagle
The way I found out about it is via a meme sent by my friend who plays grey knights that led to a conversation of why
tiny pike
As I said before, they clearly need a reminder of why the Months of Shame were named as such by the Grey Knights themselves.
dense isle
As I said before, they clearly need a reminder of why the Months of Shame were n...
we need a brand new decade of shame for this nonsense
"written by the emperor himself" yeah RIGHT.
tiny pike
The Grey Knights themselves understood the massive L they took in tussling with the Wolves.
dense isle
I can SEE the white out and thats in YOUR handwriting mr. greyknight
big E doesnt write that sloppy
bitter eagle
But yer I was always under the understanding of the leader of grey knights knew what it said but found out that was correct I also don’t feel they do still as the lore snippet doesn’t even say that they know what it says just says only the grey knight leader can open the box then what it says and what will happen if it was to be acted upon
tiny pike
I can SEE the white out and thats in YOUR handwriting mr. greyknight
That Grey Knight isn't literate. It's actually in the handwriting of an Inquisitor.
bitter eagle
~~That Grey Knight isn't literate. It's actually in the handwriting of an Inquis...
Or tzeench
dense isle
~~That Grey Knight isn't literate. It's actually in the handwriting of an Inquis...
dictation still means that they technically wrote it.
tiny pike
Or tzeench
Yes. Handwriting of an Inquisitor.
They're an Inquisitor of that one Inquisitorial Philosophy Sect that think everyone should get possessed by Daemons.
dense isle
but yeah this whole plotline is just. blerg.
bitter eagle
I always forget about that sect lead by alpharius I heard
dense isle
there are words I want to use for it that I know I shouldnt use for it.
also Im 99% certain Tzeentch wanted Alpherius/Omegon but took Magnus instead when Alpherius/Omegon beat him in a childrens card game.
bitter eagle
I have a meme that sums it up perfectly but it uses words that i believe can’t be said here
dense isle
sounds fun. DM it?
bitter eagle
also Im 99% certain Tzeentch wanted Alpherius/Omegon but took Magnus instead whe...
I can see it
tiny pike
but yeah this whole plotline is just. blerg.
The plotline is very "Lemann Russ probably needs to have a few choice words with the Inquisition"
dense isle
Lemann Russ claws his way out of the warp from fighting demons to go "what, in the love of the emperor, are you morons doing AGAIN?!"
bitter eagle
sounds fun. DM it?
Sent it your way
tiny pike
"With said words including "Axe to Skull" on repeat about a couple quadrillion times."
tiny pike
Sent it your way
Mind DMing it to me as well?
dense isle
"a task beyond the abilities of any other force in the imperium"
grey knights. guys. you dumbasses. lmao.
not even YOU fools could DO ANYTHING.
"cut a path through the ranks of the Custodian Guard"
you'd step one foot on Tera and be turned into CUBES
tiny pike
-# The Inquisition is a tumor that needs to be excised, so that they can stop festering up multiple different Space Marine chapters with their bullshit.
dense isle
sorry dont mind me Im reading the Terminus Decree for the first time
like
this
this is so dumb
bitter eagle
Ohh yer
dense isle
yeah the grey knights are REALLY POWERFUL spacies.
compared to normal spacies.
tiny pike
Yeah. It's uber dumb.
tiny pike
If it were the Boys in Blue with this, it'd at least make some sense, given the standard Blueberry Favoritism.
bitter eagle
The only advantage they have over custodes is psychic powers other than that they are screwed
dense isle
hell if the Custodes are anything like we know they are, they already knew what was in that box and have been hamming it up at a joke near the water cooler for the past millennium.
bitter eagle
But also custards always have SoS with them
tiny pike
But for the Grey Knights, this entire thing is just pure nonsense.
dense isle
But also custards always have SoS with them
and also many have psycher powers of their own.
because they're just that good
bitter eagle
I never knew they had psykers and for some reason thought they didn’t
dense isle
If it were the Boys in Blue with this, it'd at least make *some* sense, given th...
blueberries, theres actually enough of them that they might have a chance. they're also the most "follow the codex" fools out there.
so like if they were told this sure. and then Guiliman could go "wtf no."
dense isle
I never knew they had psykers and for some reason thought they didn’t
I think they do.
even if they dont if big E gets off the throne they literally have a god who can dust an entire legion with a though
bitter eagle
I thought they worked with sos as they didn’t have them so it patched there weekness but could be wrong
dense isle
....... so okay.....
yes in game they dont have psychers that is known
bitter eagle
even if they dont if big E gets off the throne they literally have a god who can...
Yer this is the issue with it mainly lol not the custodes big e could crumble the entire imperium
dense isle
but lore wise they are handcrafted from the big E's own geneseed
tiny pike
Hell, even the Wolves having this be a decree to them would make more sense, since the entire idea is clearly "Anti-Psyker/Warp", and the Wolves are one of the only Loyalist Chapters to actually do proper mitigation against that shit (since Rune Priests, while technically Psykers, are doing it so differently that they face none of the normal problems).
dense isle
which makes them psyonic by default
if Magnuses kids all get psycher powers because HES a gigachad psycher, Im fairly certain the same applies to big Es direct kids too.
maybe
they do have a lot of SoS though
Im gonna put it under "under developed lore"
bitter eagle
I thought the grey knights where big e gene seed and the custodes where above that
dense isle
I thought the grey knights where big e gene seed and the custodes where above th...
nononononononoooooooooooooo
tiny pike
The Grey Knights, though, are effectively just cleanup crews for after all the actually big shit goes down, killing off all the smaller daemons. They're really good at smaller daemons.
Not so good at bigger ones.
bitter eagle
I mean dread knights exist soley to give them a chance against a greater deamon
tiny pike
Wolves and Blueberry Bois, very good at bigger daemons.
Grey Knights, not so much.
dense isle
Grey Knights are.... we dont know what they are?
okay so lore wise it looks like they're just a conglomerate mishmash of other geneseeds.
but they get super special gear and training
that MAKE them greyknights
bitter eagle
Ohh okay
dense isle
Custodes are Big Es handcrafted boys.
of super golden awesomeness
but yeah Greyknights were founded.... alongside the inquisition.... blerggggg.....
yeah we really need to get rid of that damned thing
tiny pike
Because the Grey Knights are an arm of the Inqusition (the Inquisition likes being the only one with a Spacie Chapter working directly for them, so they got pissy when the Iron Hands and the Cult Mechanicus got buddy buddy, because it infringed on their specialness of being the only one with a Spacie Chapter working directly for them).
dense isle
but yeah Grey Knights.... are meant to be powerful against daemons.... but because they arent blanks and instead psychers they are.... actively weaker against them.
because psychers
fun fact
more easily corruptable!
bitter eagle
I thought grey knights couldn’t be corrupted same as custodes
tiny pike
Stare too long into the Abyss (Space Hell), and the Abyss (Space Hell) will stare back.
tiny pike
I thought grey knights couldn’t be corrupted same as custodes
No, Grey Knights can be corrupted.
The Inquisition just really likes hiding all the times it happens because it would tarnish the propaganda they try to paint for the Grey Knights.
bitter eagle
So I fell for imperiums propaganda outside of the 40K universe lol
dense isle
custodes also can be corrupted!
custodes are just REALLY GOOD at killing their own.
hell custodes WILLINGLY STEP DOWN, if they lose even a fractional hint of edge. and then they go off to be absolute badasses in undercover ops.
as I said, century+ long war games where the actual literal fate of Tera is in the balance.
tiny pike
custodes also can be corrupted!
custodes are just REALLY GOOD at killing their ...
Yeah. But also, Custodes are also just more resistant in general because their Psykerness is derived more directly from Big E than the Grey Knights'.
dense isle
yea
bitter eagle
Yeah. But also, Custodes are also just more resistant in general because their P...
Probably why i thought it
dense isle
as I said, century+ long war games where the actual literal fate of Tera is in t...
I think the closest that ever came to happening was when one Custodes incited a revolt and nearly set off planet wide nuclear armageddon.
bitter eagle
I knew sob could be corrupted but was very rare
dense isle
Custodes don't play around in wargaming
tiny pike
Since they aren't Big E himself, they can still get corrupted, but because it's less steps between the Custodes and Big E than the Grey Knights and Big E, the Custodes are very resistant to it.
bitter eagle
Big e model when
dense isle
he can start just giving out blessings
and that will make people INFINITELY harder to corrupt
hard to corrupt someone when they literally feel the blessing of the emperor on them at all times
"come join my evil cult gang where you maybe get secret powers! hear the secrets of the universe!"
"nah the emperor just told me you're full of crap. go die."
tiny pike
hard to corrupt someone when they literally feel the blessing of the emperor on ...
Until that point, though, where Big E is giving actual blessings, the best that can be done is Ork style sheer belief in Big E's power causing a manifestation of protection.
Because it's not just the Orks that have the ability to Zeitgeist a bunch of magical bullshit.
bitter eagle
Haven’t humans created a lesser warp entity before?
dense isle
with a deamon prince of sorts in the form of saint celestine
tiny pike
Sisters Sororitas at it again!
Sororitas*
dense isle
and also the legion of the damned
LoD need more lore
oh that reminds me of a meme. hold please.
bitter eagle
with a deamon prince of sorts in the form of saint celestine
Ohh I meant the greater good entity
tiny pike
Haven’t humans created a lesser warp entity before?
Saint Celestine, sort of, and Legion of the Damned, as Gur mentioned.
But also, a bunch of Big E's ability to be a literal beacon in the Warp, is due to the sheer belief of humanity in his godliness making Big E himself a partial Warp Entity.
bitter eagle
Saint Celestine, sort of, and Legion of the Damned, as Gur mentioned.
But also,...
And the 1000 psykers
dense isle
no thats keeping big E alive
ish
its weird
but the 1000 psychers isnt the beacon bit
its maybe tethering him to Terra?
again he is a half step from ascention
reincarnation
or god knows what
tiny pike
Yeah. The 1000 psykers are keeping the physical form alive and the partial warp entity tied to it.
dense isle
he's closer to a ctan shard right now than anything else
a fragment of a god held in place through ritual and technology
bitter eagle
I feel if his physical form died he would just ascend
tiny pike
If that 1000 psykers a day ever stops, then Big E will probably pull a Slaanesh and properly burst out as a full Warp Entity strong enough to be called a god.
bitter eagle
But obviously that would ruin the lore too much even for gw
dense isle
ruin is a strong word
it would change the state of balance
severely
and GW likes their eternal now a bit too much
bitter eagle
I mean it would change the over all tone of the setting
dense isle
it really wouldnt.
tiny pike
it would change the state of balance
Because we'd have "Birth of Slaanesh 2: Burning Gold Edition".
dense isle
its not a humanity wins button
its a "humanity now is on fair footing"
humanity is losing.
badly
also the tyranids will eventually eat everything and destroy the warp as we know it but thats besides the point
bitter eagle
Yer but that also half the point no?
dense isle
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh
the point is there is only war
war changing is a natural progression
tiny pike
Also, the Space Elves might finally take Humanity seriously, if Big E became a proper Warp Entity, since at that point, we'd've pulled off all the same feats as them.
bitter eagle
Fair that is also true and did happen when Cadia fell I suppose
Also have they expanded on that since the end of arks of omen yet?
dense isle
so, like yeah, if GW can ever get off of their "eternal now" nonsense, we could finally have time resume in the universe.
tiny pike
Those feats being galaxy-wide empire, and causing the birth of a new Warp Entity strong enough to be called a Warp Deity.
dense isle
now our tech compared to their is still garbage
and we dont know how to make a webway
but
we'd have a god
and it would be on the side of humanity instead of trying to eat its soul
tiny pike
Technically the elves don't know how to make a Webway either. Just maintain what's there.
dense isle
true
bitter eagle
Also if big e became a god the eldar may finally get there last sword
Meaning they can also progress
tiny pike
and it would be on the side of humanity instead of trying to eat its soul
Which of course would be way better than the case for the Elves, since the warp entity they made does want their souls.
Also, Big E ascending would make the Orks happy because it would mean Gork and Mork would have a new thing to fight.
bitter eagle
Thinking of it more making big e a 5th chaos god would progress the story a lot…
dense isle
I still think Gork and Mork are just 2 surviving Krorks
bitter eagle
Also, Big E ascending would make the Orks happy because it would mean Gork and M...
Don’t gork and mork jsut fight each other?
dense isle
Malal stands
bitter eagle
Malal is retconed no?
dense isle
Don’t gork and mork jsut fight each other?
They fight everything
dense isle
Malal is retconed no?
and?
tiny pike
6th, as Gur said, but yes it would, and is also how the plot clearly wants to progress, if you collate all the various tiny steps GW's allowed to have made forward.
dense isle
Malal stands.
bitter eagle
Fair
tiny pike
The plot very clearly wants Big E to ascend as a new Chaos God in the Warp, on the side of Humanity.
bitter eagle
I feel gw have legal issues with malal so can’t include them anymore
tiny pike
Yeah. Legally they can't use Malal.
Spiritually, Malal is still there.
dense isle
I feel gw have legal issues with malal so can’t include them anymore
Yeah. White Dwarf owns him.
But
bitter eagle
Don’t gw own white dwarf?
bitter eagle
I thought the writer owned malal
tiny pike
It's that the writer who wrote the Malal lore owns Malal, and refuses to let GW have it.
And GW are too stingy to pay for licensing fees, which the writer would be fine with.
So Malal just sort of sits in the background never being mentioned and never officially retconned.
dense isle
So he sits there. Menacingly.
bitter eagle
Isn’t there the sons of malal or something in 40K
dense isle
Nope
tiny pike
Yeah.
Anyway, the overarching plot of 40k very obviously wants to progress to Big E's physical form dying, unleashing Big E as a new Warp God on the side of Humanity.
GW, meanwhile, are Moebius from Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and want an Eternal Now that never ends because they're scared of the future.
dense isle
Malal was just… like the embodiment of anti chaos.
bitter eagle
I thought there was a space marine chapter with a name that mentioned them
tiny pike
And the Emperor's Children, who are a Traitor chapter.
bitter eagle
I’m thinking malice not malal
dense isle
Yup!
There’s a reason I quote Moebius when referring to GWs stance on lore. It’s eerie.
tiny pike
The retcons almost always seem to be purely to cycle back to a "default state" of sorts, eerily similar to Moebius from XBC3 and the Eternal Now.
bitter eagle
Just realised there is minimum 2 setups in place to make big. E ascend
As if the grey knights where where smart in the way they attacked tera they may be able to stop 1 set do the 1000 psykers been sacrificed and there is the arks of omen thing of vashtor having the webway plus a webway gate in the imperial palace
dense isle
I mean yeah but if big E no longer wants sacrifices…. Nobody will be able to feed the throne.
The golden boys will see to that.
Webway or no.
bitter eagle
Fair
prime summit
I just primed ~80 minis in a 3+ hour period. I am now dead.
static blade
Wooo, at least priming is done
vague gust
dense isle
I just primed ~80 minis in a 3+ hour period. I am now dead.
brutal
dense isle
snrrrrrkkkkk
prime summit
I still have 3 more spearheads to go, plus a bunch of random minis from Hachette/Stormbringer
tepid tundra
Isn’t there the sons of malal or something in 40K
sons of malice
kinda a interesting loophole where they didnt bring in Malal directly but they did make a being called Malice
tiny pike
Malal-uber-lite.
tepid tundra
and granted i slightly do hope it ends up like in that comic strip cause it would be interesting when it gets called into question if the emperor is the emperor and should he be contained or not
well that and besides the grey knights even without convincing half the inquistion is probably going to be in that "if jesus stood before us some would decry him as false or a herestic" moment well a civil war might begin anyway
static blade
heh, Malal Zero, sugar free
urban flint
solemn mason
static blade
Ooh.
solemn mason
Power axes are also on the way
static blade
"Put it down..."
"...no."
"Put it down"
"...no"
dense isle
“Brother, the flamaxer is mine now. The only way to take it from me would be Trazyn the Infinite himself stealing it.”
static blade
Trazyn laughs, pokeball's him with it
tepid tundra
Power axes are also on the way
and chaos spawn
and tech marine
and helbrute mode for PvP
tall rivet
west whale
The Warhammer Conference has published its programm for this year: https://warhammer-conference.com/ I will present there, amongst others
urban flint
Ripper Swarm can has pistol
dense isle
Awwwwwww
tiny pike
Ripper Swarm with Secret Pistol, as treat.
meager shoal
urban flint
dense isle
Heeeeeeh
urban flint
“I love to Imagine the knights and custodes playing keep away with the emporer's corpse. One steals it and the other has to reclaim it. The emporer Jests!”
dense isle
The terminus decree won’t even reach that far. Everyone with a moticum of future sight on Tera, which there are many of which with potent abilities, just got an eyeful of the grey knights pointing their swords against the big E. That’s a great way to get the Custodes knocking heads together and obliterating ordos.
They grey knights are liable to be expunged from history for this malarkey.
tiny pike
Employed Diviner Psykers are a dime a dozen among nobility. And nowhere has as many noble houses as Holy Terra.
dense isle
Not to mention those that explicitly work for the big E and Goldies
tiny pike
Indeed.
dense isle
Like. You should not have opened that box buddy. You’ve doomed the Grey Knights via cognitohazard. Great job moron.
tiny pike
So out of the couple quadrillion people total on Terra, it's a good estimate to say that maybe a few billion are Diviner Psykers living fairly cushy lives (as far as the life of a Psyker can be) due to the usefulness of their specific brand of Psyker powers.
And that's with the hyper conservative estimate that's likely heavily undercounting them.
It's probably closer to a few trillion in all likelihood.
Point is, every single one got a whiff of the Grey Knights being idiots who opened the box (that if it was written by Big E, was almost certainly done as a trap/joke).
dense isle
And several of them are explicitly trained to predict the future beyond their general vibe senses.
To a horrifically accurate degree.
There are stories of golden boys warping in to save a single random guardsman for a single battle as the start to a Rube Goldberg machine that will prevent the imperiums destruction.
This has happened more than once.
tiny pike
"What'd you do to get special treatment from the Custodes?!" -Guardsman to other Guardsman who was saved by the Boys in Gold.
"I dunno. They said something about "crisis averted" as they left, though." -Said saved Guardsman, who proceeds to die in the next battle he's put in because it was that single battle that was important he not die in.
dense isle
Yup!
tiny pike
But yeah, if this doesn't end with the Grey Knights being obliterated (and ideally the Inquisition with them), then GW are even bigger idiots than we already knew them to be.
dense isle
Yup!
Honestly if this wasn’t a big ploy to kill off a faction, I’ll be suprised.
GW hasn’t liked GK for a while now.
tiny pike
I would also accept the Grey Knights technically surviving with a massive overhaul to their logistical everything (overseen by Girlyman) if we get the Inquisition being completely eradicated forever, because I have a feeling that this "Terminus Decree" is actually another bit of Inquisition Bullshit.
dense isle
Probably
I’d believe it
I just hope the internet collectively going “what the hell are you morons talking about?” Will push GW down a better path.
tiny pike
(My point is the Inquisition needs to be eradicated. They're the tumor to eclipse all tumors, and they're eating away at the Imperium even more than the Imperium itself eats at the Imperium.)
dense isle
Probably
tiny pike
The Imperium is big enough that it crushing itself under its own weight isn't ever going to kill it on its own.
But add in the Inquisition being the Inquisition, the tumor to end all tumors, and suddenly, you have an empire in rapid decline because the Inquisition keeps glassing and virus bombing every single world that has even the tiniest whiff of chaos at any point.
Or, worse, sterilizing an entire population so they can't reproduce, simply because they helped combat chaos alongside the Wolves, despite promising the Wolves that no such measures would take place.
Congrats on the Months of Shame. You brought it on yourselves, you lying bastards.
dense isle
Yay!
tall rivet
bitter eagle
Votan seem to have good rules may need to become the 10th Votan player
Also love the models but still
prime summit
Today’s model.
Been speeding through my Spearhead boxes this month, and this airship was my biggest concern.
Surprisingly it’s the easiest model Ive put together from this set.
dense isle
Fun!
prime summit
And done. That dang balloon just didnt want to go on.
static blade
Yeah, keep an eye on it's supports, too, they're notoriously easy to dislodge
dense isle
Ah yeah. Round things are always annoying to attach.
static blade
Also GW doesn't have a good track record with long thin connectors holding large objects aloft
tiny pike
To be fair, a lot of minifigure manufacturers don't.
urban flint
dense isle
Acceptable
north hedge
And done. That dang balloon just didnt want to go on.
You’re gonna have a bad time with the flight stand take it from someone who plays KO It’s best to get a custom flight stand for the ships.
prime summit
Oh yeah, I'm definitely going to make something custom.
dense isle
You’re gonna have a bad time with the flight stand take it from someone who play...
Yeah GWs flight stands…. Are just never great.
bitter eagle
As someone with some of the weird jetpack marines in 40K I agree
dense isle
Flying Hive Tyrants are shoddily attached by their tail alone, which has a relatively crappy contact point to the ground, but its at least solid plastic rather than whatever madness they use for the clear flight stands.
the official GW image if you don't enitrely understand what I mean by that.
the tail isn't even fully solid. abut halfway up is an attachment point to the rest of the tail.
not the worst of course. but I wont lie and say I never worry about it.
tiny pike
the tail isn't even fully solid. abut halfway up is an attachment point to the r...
That's stupid. Either make it fully attached to the body forever (unless snapped off), or make the attach point be at the butt, not halway up the tail.
meager shoal
meager shoal
dense isle
snrk
north hedge
dense isle
Eheheheheheheheeeeehhh
static blade
Shame that two bad rolls wipes a third of the custodes player's wounds, though.
fathom stump
static blade
He meant "taking the time to talk about what you feel is important"
dense isle
Shame that two bad rolls wipes a third of the custodes player's wounds, though.
I do actually think though that’s…. Yeah I think that character, axe dude, actually costs around the same point total as one of the small knights if not more.
And the three guards absolutely add up to a small knight themselves
dense isle
…. 40K is FULL of life lessons!
vague gust
Such as it’s always morally correct to beat erebus
static blade
And if someone's breathing, don't trust em. Sometimes if they aren't, too. Can't trust them sneaky dead people, always up to something
tiny pike
The only time you can trust them is when they're dead because they've been turned into corpse starch.
The corpse starch never lies.
static blade
casually ignores the sixteen hiveworlds that fell to nurgle corrupting the corpse starch
tiny pike
Statistical anomalies. Just look at the hundreds of thousands of other hiveworlds which haven't fallen to nurgle-corrupted corpse starch.
static blade
Suuure, and I'm sure the millions of rebellions put down that started in the starch processing pits were just statistical anomalies, too
tiny pike
No, those are just standard fare for any sort of thing that the rabble are required for.
north hedge
I found this test of what imperial faction would you fit in? I’m kind of concerned with my results.
tidal temple
I don’t think thats how percentages work
tiny pike
It's probably a case of "you matched [x%] with this faction's ideals" rather than a split of "this faction represents [x%] of your calculated ideals spread".
unborn niche
static blade
Load dem guns
solemn mason
I found this test of what imperial faction would you fit in? I’m kind of concern...
I did it a couple days ago
urban flint
It almost had me convinced, some of these are really accurate, but then I look at the mechanicus
Bros melting
tiny pike
tiny pike
I'm surprised that Inquisition is as high as it is. As a proud Space Wolf main, I despise the Inquisition on a fundamental level.
shell wind
tidal temple
tidal temple
The questions I mean
many were effectively just this faction does this thing, not much nuace
dense isle
Massive glow up from the shard of night
tepid tundra
and i love it cause there one of things i love bout necrons
espcially cause the first glow up one was the void dragon which is my favourite one
tepid tundra
dense isle
Yeah.
tepid tundra
well in reality they might have advantages cause you know
there not going to go outright into combat with an overpowered warp entity
honestly just look at how everytime they deal with angron cause they do not directly fight that nightmare
also honestly this is making me want to go watch the anime of this now
meager shoal
tiny pike
"little idiot"
shows a Skaven
Checks out.
prime summit
My Bone IRS army is coming together nicely.
meager shoal
tepid tundra
shadowswords are basically titan snipers once there location is found there basically screwed
vague gust
If it was any other titan it would’ve killed them in one shot
dense isle
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SwDOCkiaSuM
I mean to be fair, that man disabled 2 warlords. Just the third one had a good crew.
dense isle
If it was any other titan it would’ve killed them in one shot
Imperator Class Titan glances over
vague gust
I mean to be fair, that man disabled 2 warlords. Just the third one had a good c...
Also it shot the same warlord twice I thought
dense isle
Also it shot the same warlord twice I thought
Nope. Shot one in the legs and one in the face.
vague gust
Neat
dense isle
Figured it would be obvious Kek
Okay fair, but taking it overly literally was funni.
vague gust
Yea I love the guard because of there baneblade variants
dense isle
you certain?
vague gust
Shadow sword is a bane blade variant
vague gust
All the guard super heavy tanks are baneblade variants
dense isle
Im used to them being a lot BIGGER.
cause on tabletop the baneblade uhhh....
well its one of the biggest "playable" models
vague gust
The shadow sword looked small because it was being size compared to warlords and missiles the size of a bus
dense isle
note: its effectively unusable due to point cost
dense isle
The shadow sword looked small because it was being size compared to warlords and...
yeahhhhh
scale is hard to judge when you're fighting 3 warlords.
vague gust
The shadow sword and such are only ever used In titanicus matches
dense isle
with the way the camera was angled at first I thought they were just knights.
because a normal tank, vs 3 knights, would look very similar in scale.
and would play out similarly
vague gust
Or when your opponent has his army focused around a big unit like a primarch and such
And you just bring out a baneblade type and just go it’s gone now lol
dense isle
The shadow sword and such are only ever used In titanicus matches
a buddy of mine brought one out for a 1k tournament.
it was.... well.... it was funny for the first round.
he literally sat it on top of points and unless you killed it you physically couldnt score because its sheer size covered up the ENTIRE point
vague gust
Yep