Um
#Elden Ring
bitter spire
yup.
thorn warren
split damage, massive red flag, and then terrible scalings
caps out at a B?
good heavens who would use such a thing
awful
I must try it out
if only its range wasnt so bad
bitter spire
it's stagger is 214
vestal pewter
i got the path to them ready to go but i havent gone in there yet
im saving that till well sorta last
thorn warren
I mean look at this. awful awful scaling.
did I just pull it out of storage and max upgrade it to see what it would look like?
vestal pewter
oh that
thorn warren
yhes
bitter spire
.> with 80str/39faith it sits at 817 phys/267fire
thorn warren
it's stagger is 214
okay where are you getting that number
where does that number come from
thorn warren
>.> with 80str/39faith it sits at 817 phys/267fire
you dare QUESTION MY MIGHT?
bitter spire
yes yes, your numbers are the biggest
thorn warren
anyways Im aksing whereo n the wiki
because Im not finding it for the golem halberd
bitter spire
also it's int scaling is slightly better than it's dex scaling
thorn warren
nobody said I was smart
vestal pewter
im still in the 200s im only putting a little into faith so i can use that magic sword ladies dual swords
thorn warren
I just have big numbies
winter notch
also, gurm is on NG+7. the game just isn't balanced at that point
bitter spire
when you select the max level comparison on the table, it's the "sta" stat
bitter spire
because it's an anvil on a stick. a 20lb one.
thorn warren
its literally 1 weight heavier than my halberd
thorn warren
also, gurm is on NG+7. the game just isn't balanced at that point
its perfectly balanced
as all things should be
its really funny to troll summons by calling them into a boss fight
and they get all cocky and roll up thinking this is going to be a classical NG+1 or 2 beatdown with their high level build
and then they rock up to the boss and get 2 shot
its adorable how stupid they are
vestal pewter
great now im reminded when i had a maccas chip perfectly balanced on another maccas chip
thorn warren
huh the golems halberd has...... the worst..... stagger...... huh......
bitter spire
odd, isn't it?
thorn warren
even though it has essentially the best quality scaling
oh
no wait
I think its beaten out by Bloodfiends arm now
bitter spire
ehh, but devonia's hammer
thorn warren
Bloodfiends arm has AOE BLOOD SPLASHIES WHEN EHAVY ATTACKING?
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
GURM HAS NEW HIGH LEVEL TOY TO PLAY WITH
it looks so stupid I love it
bronze solstice
Also Owy
vestal pewter
that devonia skill can just nearly oneshot high health people which is scary
bronze solstice
Not every Scaling is the same
thorn warren
yes yes I know
bronze solstice
Even if both say B they can be different
thorn warren
theres levels within letters
bronze solstice
for some B can be better than other A‘s
They are surprisingly inconsistent with the scaling of weapons and their stats in general
thorn warren
........ thats not how that works Cryo.
there are some Bs that might as WELL be A's, but something that is within A territory cannot be classfied as B. at least to my understanding of how the games code works.
its a difference of around .01 or something that keeps them in B
but they are not A
just obscenely high Bs
bronze solstice
Nope the difference inside can be 0.3 and more
which can be more than other classes
its weird
thorn warren
deranged
of interesting note
or.
am I being stupid?
I might be being stupid
answer: I need a more neutral test subject than albinaurics
it would appear albinaurics are resistance to the bloodfiend arm????????
dull tulip
Bloodfiends arm has AOE BLOOD SPLASHIES WHEN EHAVY ATTACKING?
it stronk
thorn warren
or crush damage
dull tulip
iirc got nerfed
thorn warren
eh
really at this point
nerfs and buffs..... dont affect me?
like yes
some damage will change
but Im so far beyond the normal players and PvP brackets that any change htat isn't "we made this spell actually usable in PvP by making it actually work gud" doesnt effect me
hm
the bloodsplash seems to have zero range
strange
they seem to have fixed Bayle's Tyranny though
now its just..... consistently mid damage
rather than 0 or INFINITE
or maybe the blood AOE is treated as an extra damage hitbox and the enemies are dying too quickly to it?
buffless charged heavy deal around 3K to a random scadu soldier
golem does 3.2..... vs 3.7 of the bloodfiend
bloodfiend has significantly less range
but the moveset.... feels faster????????
mmmm no
just as slow
just small weapon and placebo
I continue to be unable to stance break enemies I actually want to stance break with the weapon
testing will now move to the hammy
hammy deals 4.4
interesting
although hammy cant be buffed
so now for buffed bloodfiend compared to hammy
buffed bloodfiend also does 4.4, although thats under IDEALISTIC circumstances. changing to more reasonable circumstances.
4.4 compared to 4.2
interesting
and in all honestly, negligible
in other news on NG+7 Ive learned Scadu soldiers have 4234 HP or so
ocean grail
They did nerf the bleed build up of the arm iirc. Sadge for me, truly
thorn warren
at least within castle ensus
thorn warren
They did nerf the bleed build up of the arm iirc. Sadge for me, truly
I dont want it for bleed
if I did
I would be using occult scalings
occult loses me 200 AR
bleed
whatever
thorn warren
Im going to show you a brand new world of torment
vestal pewter
just from the heavy attack right?
ocean grail
It’s how I beat him
thorn warren
if I wanted
I could do that
do you know why I dont do that?
because its boring
ocean grail
Yea it used to be significantly higher
ocean grail
The perfume bottles got nerfed into the ground though
dull tulip
yea, they are useless-ish now. especially with the rolling spark not being good anymore
they seem like early game-ish weapons
but are in this zone
ocean grail
Though how bad I don’t know because I haven’t used them since the patch since inhale I’ve been meaning to play seamless with the boys but I’ve been busy
thorn warren
The perfume bottles got nerfed into the ground though
they DESERVED IT.
did you see what they could do in PvP?
it didnt matter what armour you wore
what buffs you had
they ONE SHOT YOU
ocean grail
You could just about one shot most bosses
40k damage in one go
A player wasn’t one shot, they were eviscerated
thorn warren
yeah
it was an issue
and its for the best
anyways I finally hit something with the blood splash
for the record
at 80s in most stats
it deals 203 damage
vestal pewter
The perfume bottles got nerfed into the ground though
i thought it was just that rolling sparks or whatever it was
ocean grail
Not the damage but it’s the build up
thorn warren
fine Ill try BLEEDING someone with the damned thing
gimem a moment
gotta swap the damned scaling
grumble grumble
ocean grail
I did say they nerfed it
ocean grail
It used to be an instant bleed proc on the charged heavy
thorn warren
reminder: NG+7 buffs everyones status resistances out the wazoo
and anything that lives through the initial hit, is going to have naturally high resistances
so basically
dull tulip
did you see what they could do in PvP?
its sad that nice fun stuff in pve gets banned because of some pvp 🥲
thorn warren
Im using the most unfair tests possible
thorn warren
its sad that nice fun stuff in pve gets banned because of some pvp 🥲
one shotting bosses removes all challenge
souls games are played for the challenge
easily and unintentionally one shotting bosses*
dull tulip
one is free to not use the bottles 😄
"not beaten if used ashes, not beaten if used bleed weapon, not beaten if beat it on rl over 1" 😄
dull tulip
for the oneshotting type of deal you had to have a very specific setup iirc
thorn warren
Bun to get good damage with the fumes you know the setup?
you equipped the lightning scorpion charm
you pressed the FP use button
and you looked down
and you deal tens of thousands of damage at little to no cost
dull tulip
( with rolling sparks )
thorn warren
with rolling sparks yes
the one ash you would use in this specific setup
that ASH
was nerfed
not THE ENTIRE WEAPON
they are still debatably usable.
again I dont really know
dull tulip
yes, if they nerf the fun ash, they should make the base weapon at least more viable-ish 😄
thorn warren
because I exist so far outside of the balance sphere I have no idea whats good anymore
thorn warren
yes, if they nerf the fun ash, they should make the base weapon at least more vi...
its as usable as it was always intended. it looks pretty on the shelf.
dull tulip
i tried doing bottles as i liked the idea, but by themselves they are somewhat sad
thorn warren
do not compare me to the assholes who say everythings invalid unless you did it on a guitar hero controller while blitzed out of your mind.
dull tulip
anywho - i get why they nerfed it. but for me part of the fun is finding those lil overpowered bits 😄
would not need as harsh of a nerf if was just offline-y
dull tulip
do not compare me to the assholes who say everythings invalid unless you did it ...
fair. apologies did not mean to put you on the same shelf, was just the first thing that came to mind ( as it sometimes comes up when talking about ballance and "it must be hard" ) 😄
thorn warren
fair enough
anyways Ill not be using the blood fiend arm
the loss in range is too big
the small damage up is nice
but golem has similar output with more options in combat
eh Ill keep it around
maybe it will have use
bronze solstice
Too lazy too scroll so dont know if mentioned
but in terms of bleed
What about the new thorn sorcery?
which is basically the bleed build up of all katanas combined into one spell
dull tulip
Thorn sorcery was stronk
i thorned the last boss as the second phase got me stumped a bit
quick bleed proc
bronze solstice
Because Each Projectile has when it connects multiple hits and each hit is 70 Bleed buildup
I think its 9 hits of 70 Bleed from the spell
thorn warren
which is basically the bleed build up of all katanas combined into one spell
it do good, but, sorcery.
ew
inteligence
thorn warren
I dont need brain wrinckles. I HAVE MUSCLE WRINKLES
thorn warren
your brain juices smell nice on my hammer
bronze solstice
Dex / Int
thorn warren
Yeah but I think fast
I literally can cast spells as fast or faster than you
80 dex go brrrt
bronze solstice
Same
thorn warren
damn
so we are equal in spell speed
BUT I HAVE 80 ARCANE
FEAR ME
and 80 faith
but like
faith spells kinda meh
bronze solstice
YUP
thorn warren
it can actually STAGGER, the moveset is DIVINE, THE RANGED ATTACK
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
bronze solstice
Its great katana moveset and the Skill is great
dull tulip
after finishing the dlc - i think blinky blinky death knights longhaft axe was my favourite fun wise
bronze solstice
Also not the same damage type as normal katanas
thorn warren
I love how this sword is like the one weapon in the game with a sheath, and it clips through everything
including the floor
at all times
thorny oracle
I love how this sword is like the one weapon in the game with a sheath, and it c...
The way it's clipping right now looks very inappropriate.
thorn warren
oh god
thorny oracle
You only just realized what it looks like, huh?
thorn warren
anyways turns out they added some new deathplanes to the DLC
I cant do this jump down into the river I used to
which is annoying
thorn warren
You only *just* realized what it looks like, huh?
I dont wanna talk about it
thorn warren
major DLC spoilers ||I love how for this room all the bloodstains pile up into that one corner. no matter what.||
bitter spire
oh, fun fact about that spoiler. do the thing four times. it... does things.
thorn warren
oh, fun fact about that spoiler. do the thing four times. it... does things.
I’ve done it over the course of 2ngs 14 times now give or take
I know what it does
bitter spire
okay, just was making sure
thorn warren
if I didnt Im pretty certain I woulda said something along the lines of ||THIS IS A SAFE ZONE HOW ARE PEOPLE DEAD|| which was my first reaction to ever being there.
bitter spire
||determined pranksters, mostly.|| that's the usual reason for such things.
thorn warren
traditionally yes
but occationally no
hell back in the early days of elden ring there were the bloodstains all in roundtable and that terrified the hell out of me for a long time
dense saffron
bitter spire
no worries. he's in ||Bonnyville.|| spoilers for shadow
thorn warren
oh carry on
go to town
god I hate that place
espeically the nearby gaols
which I learned recently is just an old spelling of jail
which makes
a lot more sense now
bitter spire
well, scadu is just an archaic way of saying shadow, too
thorn warren
yeah I learned that one fairly quickly
cause I called it a skibidi tree as a joke and got bashed over the head repeatedly
bitter spire
couldn't even go the kung fu panda route, and call it the skadoosh tree?
thorn warren
my brain just calls it the skadoo tree
even though I say shadow
its like how I brain it as gaol even though its jail.
I dont know how to phonetically type out gaol
as i brain prononuce it
bitter spire
gowl?
vestal pewter
i was calling it the scardo tree
bronze solstice
thorn warren
Man I wish I could do stuff like that
vestal pewter
i was planning on making use of that perfume when i did the faith thing
to a point it can be helpful at times for my magic stuff but it would be more handy for when i eventually get around to faith
thorn warren
I wanna do a playthrough where I use the pure holy sword and just dump everything into faith. No physical stats. All faith all the time.
bitter spire
you'll use incantations with it too, right? right?
thorn warren
you'll use incantations with it too, right? *right?*
of course
mostly ring of light
but yeah
Im not a MASOCHIST
well okay I am but besides the point
its more a "I wanna do a neat run with a funky main weapon and some spells"
bitter spire
I admit that's why my hookclaw character is what he is.
dull tulip
its more a "I wanna do a neat run with a funky main weapon and some spells"
Lightsaber run? 😄
vestal pewter
the one ring saber run
vestal pewter
so im in the area i mentioned before with flying scorpians etc and i found ||a literal pile of shit||
||even got the giant shit bomb|| from it
i am not even joking here
bitter spire
yup. that's there. if you kill the ||big red bear|| there, it gets you something neat.
dull tulip
||https://fxtwitter.com/Dexerto/status/1816941814747890086||
i bow
Beating two instances of Elden Ring dlc final boss simultaneously ( gamepad + dancepad )
vestal pewter
ive just realized that ||if you kill the enemies in the abyssal woods they dont respawn|| well at least the first 2 that gave me stuff havent respawned yet
thorn warren
ive just realized that ||if you kill the enemies in the abyssal woods they dont ...
Yeah they don’t.
bitter spire
Real pain to take em out, though
hard arrow
uh oh. think I ran into the first wall.
PUT THESE FOOLISH AMBITIONS TO REST okay first of all how many attacks do you have. how dare you
hard arrow
beat margit. had a sudden bad case of the hubris. teleported back to the very beginning and tried to fight the tree sentinel near elleh's church.
I regret.
thorn warren
PUT THESE FOOLISH AMBITIONS TO REST okay first of all how many attacks do you ha...
Did you try rolling into him?
Or parrying?
hard arrow
I eventually beat him by being overlevelled (I'm all the way up to level 18 lol and upgraded my starting weapon twice), and while he was distracted by wolf summons + rogier I kept using charge attacks to stagger him and then visceral
it seems like the thing to do in this game is block + counterattack instead of parry? you lose surprisingly little health doing that, even when blocking with a sword
... the tree sentinel still pancaked me though
thorn warren
it seems like the thing to do in this game is block + counterattack instead of p...
welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
to save you from the complexities: parrying is the riskier stratagy with bigger payoff while block counters or whatever they are called are safer but lower reward and additionally on some boss fights are a straight up trap
also level 18 is not overleveling have I not instilled my core values into you people enough?
level 18 for the first boss is a crime. be level 30+
go to an extreme that you yourself think is absurd then tack some extra numbers on top of that
hard arrow
dang gonna take me a while to grind up to level 30
oh well I'm in the castle now and some complete asshole duct taped knives to all the birds
also I've been trying to hop more instead of rolling. results mixed. it seems I have an uncanny ability to time my jump dodges for when the enemy does an overhead smash.
thorn warren
also I've been trying to hop more instead of rolling. results mixed. it seems I ...
the TLDR on hopping: its okay in SOME instances.
the end lag and lack of options while hopping make it not worth it.
some people in this game have an addiction to missinformation
hard arrow
you can attack out of a jump, unlike a roll, which is nice
thorn warren
..... you can attack out of a roll
its called a rolling attack
have you ever TRIED?
hard arrow
but yeah it just feels like there's an overwhelming malestrom of YOU ARE PLAYING ELDEN RING WRONG, NEVER DO THIS! DO THAT
thorn warren
anyways
jumping is useful on OCCATION
but
primarily
roll
when its an attack that is a ground based AOE?
jump
go ham
when its an enemy attacking you with a weapon or spell that is not grounded, roll.
rolling gives you more options to play around with. jumping just sends you upwards.
hard arrow
meanwhile: still getting my shit pushed in by mad tongue what's-his-name in the secret tarnished clubhouse
thorn warren
and once again, has TERRIBLE end lag
hard arrow
I wonder what level I'll need to be
hard arrow
in this economy?
thorn warren
yes
anyways as I was saying
even if jumping is an option
learning and mastering the roll will serve you better
rolling is your friend. jumping is a helpful option.
try out your roll attacks btw
some of them are really good
I especially like the collosal weapon rolling attacks
hard arrow
still using the cute lil katana I started with
... but I kinda wanna try magic. samurai can totally multiclass into priests, right?..
thorn warren
solid weapon. one of the best. I have a friend who went through the whole game with it.
thorn warren
... but I kinda wanna try magic. samurai can totally multiclass into priests, ri...
Crem, good associate.
I have 80s in every stat but int. you can do anything.
hard arrow
also picked up a longsword from somewhere that I don't meet the strength requirements but I like it anyway
thorn warren
int is 23. cause nobody needs a brain.
hard arrow
put the holy blade ashes of war on the thing, using it to smash skeletons
hard arrow
yeah I only figured out the "you don't have to stand there and watch, you actually can smash the ribcage while it's on the ground shaking before they get up" thing when someone here pointed it out
:/
thorn warren
oh yeah if you can find them I highly recommend the black flame incantations
hard arrow
since the game wouldn't lock on to the enemy in that state I just.. assumed it was invulnerable while getting up?
thorn warren
since the game wouldn't lock on to the enemy in that state I just.. assumed it w...
see a lot of enemies have stupid lock on points
dont always rely on that
hard arrow
the game loves locking on to the most irrelevant crap
thorn warren
wait until you meet the ancient dragons. they have the worst lockon points ever.
hard arrow
I died another dozen times against tree sentinel before deciding to level up again and like. half of those deaths were the game locking on to a goat somewhere in the distance
thorn warren
yowch
hard arrow
that thing is one with its horse, it cannot be unhorsed, this is bullshit and I protest
thorn warren
yes.
it literally; cannot be unhorsed
its deeply frustrating
there are others like it
you will hate them more
hard arrow
especially since mounted combat ain't the best. I don't have all those moves
thorn warren
oh yeah another secret tip: do not do mounted combat unless its against something really big.
even there try to fight it grounded
mounted combat is a trap
it has some uses
some very potent but very specific uses
hard arrow
so far my favorite use of the honse is to smash the glowing skulls that have runes in them
they're so hard to hit with a sword
bronze solstice
Its the smallest of them really
hard arrow
Dark room. Big knight. Giggling?
bitter spire
gatekeeper's a petit turd.
also, on the previous subject of skulls, you can roll over em to break them.
hard arrow
fell down on a cliff edge that crumbled under me. thought I was dead. turns out you can fall as high as you want so long as you land on some bushes (?). got instantly murdered by one of those crucible knight types, like the one in the evergaol
vestal pewter
it seems the elden ring servers are under maintainence
thorn warren
fell down on a cliff edge that crumbled under me. thought I was dead. turns out ...
Select areas have no fall damage. Don’t worry about it.
vestal pewter
welp @thorn warren i finally killed Radahn and im back to invading again
how my first invasion went
i used sleep weapons just to play around
hard arrow
so do you get back all your runes when you pick them up after dying? Iv'e been dying a lot in stormveil castle - like a LOT a lot - and it doesn't feel like it's all back
dull tulip
there is an explanation for that
thorn warren
so do you get back all your runes when you pick them up after dying? Iv'e been d...
Stormveil is special. At least for now.
TLDR: ||an NPC is stealing them||
Anyways yes, in other areas you get it all back
hard arrow
the ballistae covering the main gate respawn!? this is a betrayal
thorn warren
the ballistae covering the main gate respawn!? this is a betrayal
yeah. just..... run past them.
hard arrow
I wanna fight the doggy
I got it down to one goddamn HP and it brought me from full to dead
tilt warning
hard arrow
some sort of hairy beast directly from bloodborne, yes
hard arrow
I tilted so hard I went and bought some stonesword keys from the hub vendor and opened the two-key mist door right at the very first bonfire
got to the bottom, got my face smashed in by an ulcerated spirit, tilted fully out of the game for now :/
thorn warren
..... yeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
that ulci is really not worth it
I mean you get a summon
but yeahyhhhh
hard arrow
my wolf spirits seem a lot weaker than they were at the start. I'm assuming I need to level them up but I haven't found the NPC that supposedly does this
thorn warren
she wears a red hood and has a mini questline
dull tulip
she is found ||before the castle. and after that - at roundtable hold opposite to blacksmith.||
bitter spire
not only that, but she can't even do that until you get access to the ||Roundtable hold|| and talk to her and another NPC over there, multiple times. access to that is done by ||going to Caelid, aka Red McBadplace||, ||making your way around Stormveil by way of the broken bridge to the northeast|| or ||beating Margit at the entrance to Stormveil Castle||.
dull tulip
not only that, but she can't even *do that* until you get access to the ||Roundt...
umm... no?
|| you just bring her the cloth( that you find in the castle) to the shack or just skip the castle by going around it and rest at the lakes behind the castle. caelid is in completely opposite direction 😄 ||
oh tho i guess you do have to || talk to the smith too before she starts upgrding ||
thorn warren
umm... no?
|| you just bring her the cloth( that you find in the castle) to the...
||Ive never brought her the cloth.||
||I didnt even realize that was a quest step.||
||I just ran around killing bosses until she left.||
dull tulip
umm... no?
|| you just bring her the cloth( that you find in the castle) to the...
i googled, and i was half wrong. - || you can also gain access to the roundtable in caeleid, its just that if you just go around the castle to the lakes you will get both roundtable and the spirit upgrades ||
bitter spire
yup. once again, progressing the game through the "path of least bullshit." there's a lot of the game you can get to without fighting a single boss
thorn warren
good times
lethal cobalt
||Its not even just one of those places specifically, you just need any non-limgrave grace except the one inside the sellia crystal tunnel to trigger the hold dialogue.||
thorn warren
||I believe its not any I believe it has similar limitations to the "im melina heres torrent now" dialogue.||
||that being there are a large large number of locations it can happen in, but if you go way too far afield without properly resting at a bonfire it doesnt trigger. like all the way up iin altis||
hard arrow
wondering if I should take a break from stormveil and go explore limgrave some more
thorn warren
wondering if I should take a break from stormveil and go explore limgrave some m...
Honestly? Yeah.
Go explore literally anywhere else
Stormveil is a wall (kinda) so going elsewhere is good
hard arrow
I have about a 20% success rate about those knights in stormveil with the wind powers
thorn warren
I recommend south.
hard arrow
.. freakin cheats
thorn warren
As in far south
hard arrow
oh yeah I did get to the minor erdtree and found an elevator going down into some sort of underground wonderland but I assumed it was for higher level dudes so after oooh-ing and aaah-ing I just noped out
maybe I'll try that one again
thorn warren
not the south I meant
I meant ||the weeping penicula.|| aka ||where you really should go first after scouting limgrave because its basically area 2 but for some reason is the southern most map point with no graces POINTING YOU TOWARDS IT||
lethal cobalt
I think theres like, one pointing that way. When you are already nearby.
bitter spire
yeah... definitely recommend snooping around south of that big lake in limgrave. there's neat stuff there. stuff like a spirit spring off the west cliff to a beach with a lesser alabaster lord enemy, who drops the earliest magic scaling ash of war in the game. Just for example.
thorn warren
south is good
bitter spire
good loot, good foes, good story things. is much good.
cunning onyx
bitter spire
those videos are always so good
thorn warren
||https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=sRDcbDE49AY&si=QqeXf1c0aPcJhLPA||
JT made ANOTHER let me solo her anthem, although it has dlc spoilers.
It’s gud
bronze solstice
thorn warren
That’s not a shield skill I don’t think.
I think that might be a consumable.
Alright it’s an ash called “vow of the indomitable”
Base game
It’s not even a scaling buff. Why are they bragging about holy builds. You can use it on any damned build. God damned morons is what this community is. I hate the new souls players. Brain dead morons the lot of em.
vestal pewter
isnt that still a skill if its an ash of war?
thorn warren
isnt that still a skill if its an ash of war?
…… yes
But it looked like an item
But it wasn’t
hard arrow
so the placid and shallow lake immediately adjacent to the very start of the game - the lake that has crabs and dragonflies in it - also appears to have ||a freakin dragon what. welp those runes are gone I ain't goin back there||
hard arrow
buncha groupies in the ruins too
also apparently someone thought it was a "cool prank" to stuff farts into a chest?
ocean grail
Yea…
lethal cobalt
Its a helpful chest if you wanted that anyways
thorn warren
also apparently someone thought it was a "cool prank" to stuff farts into a ches...
It’s….. I mean….. it does other stuff.
hard arrow
I'll take your word for it
bitter spire
Wanna go to ohio? It teleports you into ohio
ocean grail
No that’s a different one that sends you to Florida, that one sends you to DC
lethal cobalt
GONG
hard arrow
yeah enough elden ring for today, not gonna run at that thing with my dinky lil katana
I'm level 32, I think it might finally be time to put points in faith so I can cast speEEeeEEElls
lethal cobalt
A kind of spell
hard arrow
finding all those "st25+ required" weapons though hrhghghghg
bitter spire
It's actually not so bad, that bell thing. I just think you might not need what it has yet.
Kek, 25 to one-hand, maybe
hard arrow
well my thinking was "you know what, SCREW stormveil, all my homies hate stormveil, I will go the exact opposite direction from stormveil" but gosh golly this weeping peninsula place sure is rainy
but yeah I'm looking at the big ass hammers and pickaxes I'm picking up
I was thinking "okay, my sword bounces off those miners, I bet if I use a pickaxe that'll stick!". it did not stick.
bitter spire
yeah, kinda need bonk damage to not bounce those. that or two hand anything.
hard arrow
huh. found the recipe for rancor pot. worth using?
bitter spire
ehhh, not entirely.
the magic pots are pretty good, if you can get em. only take 2 glintstone fireflies to make each, too.
at 49 faith each wisp of rancor pot does about 90 damage.
bitter spire
the issue is they move slowly. sure, the projectiles track, but can clip terrain and waste half the pot.
I can vouch for holy pots, though. they obliterate most undead foes.
hard arrow
I put a holy weapon ashes of war on one of the bigass heavy swords, it does illegal things to skellingtons
it also mulched the cemetery shade I ran into. stabby asshole. enjoy being mobbed by demihumans
bitter spire
you're making a faith build, then, yes?
lethal cobalt
fire pots are a good friend
hard arrow
I started as a paladin. I want to up faith at SOME point but right now I'm putting every point I have into more hp
at least until I get 30 points into it
then I'm probably raising faith yeah
lethal cobalt
levelling vigor is important yes
hard arrow
with a sprinkling of stamina, carry weight, and more FP in there. because 86 FP is not a lot of FP
lethal cobalt
There are spirit ashes that cost more than that, yeah
hard arrow
the cemetery shade dropped a 'legendary' spirit ash that costs 100-something FP so I literally can't summon it
bitter spire
30Vig is a good midgame benchmark. you'll eventually want up to 70, 60 if casting spells almost all the time
there will come a day when you recieve the best ash of war. you'll know when it happens.
bitter spire
gurm no
bitter spire
awww, you didn't finish the meme
thorn warren
in other news to reasonably get those stats you will need to be in NG+7
hard arrow
int is a worthless stat, int don't help me bonk
thorn warren
awww, you didn't finish the meme
I have 99 in vig
bitter spire
but... unga therefore I bunga...
hard arrow
at some point I might be able to win against the scythe-wielding asshole in the roundtable hold >:(
bitter spire
one of the best bonks in the game is just hucking three boulders at someone.
oh, by the way, there's an awful weapon down there with that guy
thing takes 30 faith to weild and it's damage is poo
lethal cobalt
int is a worthless stat, int don't help me bonk
int lets you throw rocks though, you can bonk at a distance!
hard arrow
it's the holy wolverine claws weapon right?
bitter spire
yeah.
but if you want claws and faith, there's always getting any other claw in the game and casting the "bloodflame blade" buff on it for GIGABLEED and some nifty fire damage
bitter spire
but... bleed is % damage
and the claws do like 110 bleed stacks when you can barely cast the spell and wear them
wait.... does the blackflame DoT stack?
thorn warren
no but it resets its very short timer
the issue with bleed
enemies build up bleed resist each bleed
lethal cobalt
bled too hard, no more blood
bitter spire
but claws attack many many times, and the fire also hurts real bad
.> though now I want to mess with blackflame claws. thanks for inspiring me to make another alt, gurm
thorn warren
the fire is .65 damage. it aint great. the bleed is also static.
its meh
high arcane will take you higher
its really just an okaish meh buff
bitter spire
but both though
bitter spire
early game it slaps though
thorn warren
absolutely except
bitter spire
and the only boss you need to murderize so you can get some basic claws is margit
thorn warren
Black FB has next to no requirements of any kind and is far easier to obtain
and
PERCENT
DAMAGE
BAYBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
low cost
quick application
bitter spire
.> you can get bloodflame blade in liurnia right after getting torrent.
bitter spire
and using stonesword key in the courtyard
bitter spire
you can parkour down rampart tower to get to the entrance to that cellar too.
bitter spire
mmm, counterpoint: both
bitter spire
enemy weak to bleed? use bloodflame
thorn warren
enemies always weak to Blackflame
bitter spire
enemy weak to fire? blackflame
thorn warren
bloodflame also deals fire damage
just use blackflame
ez
or
better idea
use an unbuffable weapon
bitter spire
woof, blackflame is a whole 4 more levels investment though. that's quite a bit early game. I'd recommend starting bloodflame, then swapping to blackflame once faith is 17.
thorn warren
wait seroiusly?
damn.
thats..... huh
coulda sworn it was way lower
since SL1 runs use it HEAVILY
thorn warren
just use old lords talisman, lasts nearly a minute then, and you can swing away
it also costs next to NOTHING to cast
bitter spire
just go get a lategame side area loot item
hard arrow
how do you know what an enemy is weak to
thorn warren
how do you know what an enemy is weak to
you dont
hard arrow
nice
thorn warren
the wiki kinda does debatably
rule of thumb: most stuff resists holy, if it isnt on fire its weak to fire, even if on fire fire works pretty good. dragons are really resistant to lightning. until they arent.
bitter spire
also if it's raining, use lightning, not fire.
bitter spire
especially accelerants. they'll blow you up, too
cunning onyx
cunning onyx
dense saffron
thorn warren
Heh
hard arrow
well, it's time to pick up my 20 hour save and continue! at this rate I'll for sure finish elden ring by 2026
killed the boss of the southern castle, mournsomething. picked up a sword made out of other, smaller swords
also turns out the underground area is larger than expected aw jeez. (wonder if I should try pushing up to stormveil castle again)
hard arrow
it also requires 40 str. I have <checks profile> 16.
thorn warren
I see
you really only need..... 27 to use it
all hail the 2 handed 1.5x st bonus
I think its 1.5 anyways
hard arrow
meanwhile in the underground zone: what the heck is up with those.. mud covered.. slow things? how much HP do they freakin have
unless they're specifically resistant to swords
so many questions and the game is like "no answers for you lol". why are there glowing blue nords wearing furs. why is there a ||dead deer|| on a platform overlooking the void
thorn warren
unless they're specifically resistant to swords
they resist everything but blunt and magic
thorn warren
so many questions and the game is like "no answers for you lol". why are there g...
I mean
do you want the answer?
or do you want to figure it out on your own
hard arrow
that depends on whether you ever get told that or if you have to slowly pick it up by reading item descriptions
thorn warren
its not in item descriptions
its literally just a "oh so thats what that does" moment
the ghosts are item descriptions though.... I think
hard arrow
then don't, I'll keep going through the underground
thorn warren
aight
hard arrow
got to 30 vitality at last which means it's time to raise the other stats. soon I will have a samurai paladin. soooooon
thorn warren
if you ever get stuck on what the deer does, heres the answer ||its a hidden boss fight, where you have to put out all the shrines in the area.||
do not click that unless you are stuck
hard arrow
I won't
thorn warren
alrighty.
hard arrow
I assume the answer isn't ||roll into it|| or ||hit it with a sword|| because that didn't do nothing
thorn warren
yeahhhh.... its a bit more.... obtuse
dont worry you'll figure it out
probably
the spirit dudes around though have some kinda neat lore, so I'd go and read the items they drop.
I think these ones drop items anyways...... might be a different group of em that does.....
ah well
have fun!
dull tulip
explore all, poke everything 😄
love that about er - always something somewhere
that underground place was my first bigger "oh wow" moment
(when entering )
thorn warren
Except for those areas where there actually isn’t anything unless you are doing a specific deranged questline you’d have no idea about otherwise
dull tulip
i would still count that as something 😄
but ya - if one manages to compete some of those obscure questlines without a guide - you have my respect
thorn warren
I somehow did most of Rani’s without a guide
I got lost at the rot lake though.
As in: I had no idea where to go to get to that step
hard arrow
the mourn castle at the tip of the weeping pensisula looked so big and imposing from a distance but it's actually kind of tiny?
just a central courtyard with the Pile O' Corpses(TM) and then a quick jaunt to the boss
I kinda feel like I've covered everything in this part of the map but how would I tell, really
thorn warren
Weeping has more than you think, but yes it’s kinda smol
dull tulip
I kinda feel like I've covered everything in this part of the map but how would ...
"dont worry, you didnt" (tm)
( a joke, but i was s till discovering new things and locations during my 2nd playtough, by just doing the things that felt organic )
thorn warren
I was discovering neat places all the way into my 8th playthrough.
mostly because I hyperoptimized all the in between playthroughs so I could get to NG+7
hard arrow
oh yeah I did skip over the giant walking bell thing
because I couldn't really think of anything to do with it
thorn warren
because I couldn't really think of anything to do with it
answer if you so choose ||break all the weird ghost faces on its legs, and it will fall down, letting you dupe the souls of defeated bosses.||
they're very handy
hard arrow
Playing elden ring on my steamdeck at a hotel
You know what? Yeah it's sub 40 fps and drops to 25-ish whenever things get pretty (tibia miner!) but it's not that bad
You know what is bad? Two friggen root guardians at once. Why did I come to Ohio
bitter spire
the beeg dragon. so many runes.
hard arrow
Only thing I found was a magma wyrm in a tunnel and it is being a bitch >:(
bitter spire
ahh, yeah, he's a stinker. great loot if you can get him, though. you get the grace down the tunnel past his door?
although, if you're building dex/faith, it's not too good an item for your build. but also dragon heart
hard arrow
Got the grace on my SECOND run through after dying :3
bitter spire
yup. it's a great feeling going "the run up to this boss is annoying, what's that over there?" and bam grace right around the corner.
thorn warren
Only thing I found was a magma wyrm in a tunnel and it is being a bitch >:(
I reccomend stabbing him REALLY HARD
hard arrow
I got him! And he dropped a super cool looking katana that scales off int. Whyyyyyy
trim blaze
it's me or the light greatsword moveset would be perfect on rapiers?
hard arrow
Liurnia map found. It made my world map bigger. I was not expecting that. Now I wonder how big the whole map is...
bitter spire
yes. the map is yes big.
thorn warren
Liurnia map found. It made my world map bigger. I was not expecting that. Now I ...
very big. muchly big. big big.
although:
Liurnia of the Lakes is the one largest section of the map.
everywhere else is just denser.
hard arrow
Yeah the density seems to vary wildly between "galloping on your horse along the empty rolling hills" vs "fucking stormveil"
thorn warren
Yeah the density seems to vary wildly between "galloping on your horse along the...
Stormveil aint even that bad
wait until you get into the city
Stormveil is at least linear.
hard arrow
Stormveil is a mess of circles within circles
hard arrow
It's not at all linear the way I experienced it
hard arrow
Heh
thorn warren
its an experience. its hard to explain well.
hard arrow
Meanwhile thinking I might try this "multiplayer components" thing to kill the caelid tree avatar thing
bitter spire
pretty much, yeah. oh, hint for Liurnia, if you've gotten a group mad at you, 90% chance Torrent can outrun them. most notable exceptions being the lobsters.
hard arrow
It is kicking my ass
thorn warren
pretty much, yeah. oh, hint for Liurnia, if you've gotten a group mad at you, 90...
oh. you can outrun the lobsters.
its just well
their main danger isnt their melee attacks
hard arrow
Finally putting points into faith so I can toss fireballs at it
bitter spire
the 110mm water cannon begs to differ.
thorn warren
Meanwhile thinking I might try this "multiplayer components" thing to kill the c...
you're having trouble with an avatar of rot?
thorn warren
the 110mm water cannon begs to differ.
yes but you can physically move faster than the lobster.
its just once again.
their melee attacks are not the danger.
thorn warren
you're having trouble with an avatar of rot?
I reccomend black fireballs.
thorn warren
black is better. black go burninatier
black does % HP damage
all hail best late game spell in the game.
hard arrow
That works on bosses?!
hard arrow
Welp I'll be sure to keep an eye out
thorn warren
and bonking
thorn warren
Welp I'll be sure to keep an eye out
I believe stormviel has at least some blackflame spells in it.
hard arrow
I dunno I thought you hit them with a sword
thorn warren
I just dont remember where
thorn warren
I dunno I thought you hit them with a sword
I havent used a sword to kill a boss in 100 hours..... I think
I mostly hit them with a giant club made out of flesh
wait no
I did kill a guy with the special attack from a katana a few days ago
hard arrow
I did get a dragon heart and a dragon head
hard arrow
I wanna try the fancy moonlight katana I found but it has int requirements and mine is like
9
hard arrow
Pvp none for me thank
thorn warren
but it very good weapon. mostly.
I mean
well.
as long as you arent a moron its a good weapon
but a lot of people online assume its an easy mode when its really not.
hard arrow
Cross naginata it says
thorn warren
oh
ah yes
my favorite spear
it very very good
took me through my entire first playthrough after I found it
I mean any weapon can honstly do that. you just really need to find one you click with
hard arrow
I tried its moveset and was immediately like "oh my"
thorn warren
it gud
hard arrow
Wrong stats though
hard arrow
I'm kind of enjoying great sword and katana
Haven't tried much else yet though
You run into enough "resists slash/pierce" enemies that I would want a hammer if I make a str build
thorn warren
welllll
so like
just use any weapon thats big enough
colossals just.... dont care
but, colosals are heavy
honestly I'd just invest in magic to kill the guys who resist the slashy slashy attacks
but, do as you like
hard arrow
Yeah I put 30 points into HP, enough points into mind to get 100 fp, enough endurance not to fatroll. Now I'm going to put points in faith every level
Got a talisman that boosts "bestial incantations" but the only one of those I have is pocket rocks
thorn warren
I do have one build reccomendation.
get your HP to 1K
just baseline
the game basically assumes you have that much
its the last real breakpoing before HP returns become minimal
bitter spire
I'd say 30 is good for early/mid game, but try to get about 60 by endgame. also, if you're going faith, consider a few points in arcane. for reasons.
thorn warren
a handful of the best faith based spells have some arcane requirements
but black fireball
the bestest spell ever
only requires like 16 faith
or like 18
I forgor
hard arrow
tfw you realize you haven't been interacting with any of the summoning pools because you didn't know what they did
now I might have to go around touching all of them aaa
also won't someone carry me through putrid avatar ;.;
also also, I figured out why I didn't find the blackflame thing on my first runthrough through stormveil. it's behind a stonesword key gate and I had ran out at that point
bitter spire
alas, my Elden Ring is modded, so I can provide no aid. also I'm quite a few hours late.
thorn warren
I.... might be able to help but like..... Idk?
Ive always had trouble joining other peopels worlds
its weird
hard arrow
made it to inside of caelid divine tower. I think I might be underlevelled
those bearded monk fellows with the blackflame attacks are ouchies
hard arrow
every enemy in and around that tower one-shots me if I'm not guarding D:
hard arrow
yeah I'm leavin and coming back when number goes up
thorn warren
bah
hard arrow
each enemy there is worth like a thousand souls but it ain't worth it if I don't live to collect :/ oh well at least I got both bonfires. mostly through chicanery, perfidy, and deceit (I ran past the monk dudes)
hard arrow
I'm at fai 12, need fai 20 for blackflame
so that's 8 levels needed
of course, outside the tower are two goddamn dragons frolicking in a pool IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. I do not like ohio
hard arrow
yeah I figured
I kept trying to figure out why castle stormveil has a bunch of holes in it that are all facing outwards toward the sea
thorn warren
cause vibes
hard arrow
the lil spitroast lizard near godfrey couldn't have done it
hard arrow
I'm assuming it was just a part of the shitfit all of demigods threw during the succession crisis
other reasons not to like ohio: I found a cave called "abandoned cave" but it was full of covid
feels like I'm missing some key item to survive that
bitter spire
abandoned cave? poison all over the floor? needs a knife with quickstep and a rot cure item or two. there's dry land in a few places.
not really anything in that cave for your build, though.
thorn warren
..... oh right..... I forget outside of NG+ waters can slow you down.
yes for some reason in elden ring in NG+, you can sprint and roll freely in water. no penalties.
bitter spire
Something something minimum wading poise.
thorn warren
Wait what?
bitter spire
oh, there's a theory that if your resist of a debuff is high enough, it's fluids don't slow you. water is poise.
thorn warren
oh, there's a theory that if your resist of a debuff is high enough, it's fluids...
…… no Vieral. It’s all liquids.
On any character
Once in NG+
bitter spire
that's... kinda dumb.
dense saffron
Rot and poison is annoying, but I always keep flame cleanse me on my bar for exactly that purpose. The one that annoys me is freaking Lava. On game 1, you just gotta walk through that and take the damage, or back step through every area that has lava. It's super annoying, especially in the dlc where it takes a big chunk of health on every tick
hard arrow
you know what? screw caelid it's bullshit, I'm going back to the main game path, liurnia looks much nicer anyway
immediately steps into poison swamp cave
man stormveil looks so flat from the back
thorn warren
Yeah…. I mean….. it’s a castle.
thorn warren
*immediately steps into poison swamp cave*
Oh Miyazaki.
hard arrow
no I mean it looks like a flat polygon with a tiling texture on it
whereas from the front it looks friggen gorgeous
bitter spire
this'd be how real castles were done, too. just a mostly flat face on the side where no-one should be approaching from.
thorn warren
this'd be how real castles were done, too. just a mostly flat face on the side w...
exaclty. a castle like this built on a cliff, is well 1: to survey the land around them, and 2: to protect from attack with a natural barrier.
meaning you can put theoretically fewer defenses on the side that nobody should reasonably be able to attack from
bitter spire
and considering the secret evacuation tunnel on that side, they'd want everyone to think it's insurmountable from there.
thorn warren
which lets be perfectly honest
it basically is
back in the day if you wanted to get by the castle, there was a giant bridge that let you just walk past
in the modern era
sure you can walk around it with some weird back paths but like..... then you're in leurnia.
nobody wants to be in leurnia.
not since the academy went into isolation
bitter spire
I mean, nobody wants to be anywhere at the game's timeframe.
thorn warren
I mean, nobody wants to be anywhere at the game's timeframe.
I mean
some places are pretty chill
Jarburg except for that one time
uhhhh
The lands of shadow except for that one time
The Haligtree except those 2 times
bitter spire
oh, and crembo, I won't say where other than Leurnia, but there's an item that gets the roundtable shop infinite smithing stone 1s and 2s.
thorn warren
theres bellbearings all around the game world that can give you infinite of all the upgrade materials except for the capstones
just ya know
have fun finding them without a guide
bitter spire
some of them are very obtuse
at least one can't be missed if you're progressing the main story.
thorn warren
extremely stupid locaitons yes
like hidden behind FOUR
SEPERATE
FAKE
WALLS
I AM STILL NOT OVER THAT
WHY MIYAZAKI
JUST WHY
bitter spire
ahh, smithing bell bearing 2, huh?
bitter spire
the ||sealed tunnel|| one, yeah?
thorn warren
Im mostly pissed that I collected EVERYTHING in my first playthrough, NG+sed, and then only after I had done that they made it so that BBs carried through NG+s.
and then
with shadow of the erdtree
they made it so that summoning pools carried over to NG+
so I had to run around collecting all of those AGAIN
WHY
WERENT THESE THINGS BASE GAME FEATURES
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
thorn warren
the ||sealed tunnel|| one, yeah?
I think so?
bitter spire
some devs can't see in QoL
thorn warren
no its mostly that they add NG+ because its a series staple at this point
not because they actually excpect people to do it
bitter spire
even when it leads to some of the best level farming.
thorn warren
pretty much
I mean also it makes it so that you arent hard locked out of questlines you failed in your first go around with a character
I enjoy it. I like it. but man. they really were not thinking the QOL through.
bitter spire
like murdering every NPC you meet in your first go, because too many donos for "kill the nearest NPC"?
thorn warren
oh no I did that just to see what they dropped
like in the older games it was fine to run around and recollect the items you needed to get the upgrade mats in NGs because well.... linearish games and you can just remember the locations easy enough but well
points at elden rings giant nonlinear map of madness and pain
bitter spire
oh, quick DLC question, Gurm. Did you farm out the golem fists at ||Taylew's forge|| from the throwing guys?
thorn warren
the answer is no Vieral, because well...... they were golems. I presumed they didn't have weapons to drop
because well
ya know
logic
but here I am
played like a fiddle once again
bitter spire
ehh, miyazaki
thorn warren
foolish fool of a fool.
my favorite smithscrip remains the daggers.
and even then..... (in my gameplay experience) the smithscripts.... suck?
bitter spire
things have way too much stagger for something so small.
thorn warren
they're gimmick tools. if they were equippable on the hotbar rather htan in the weapon slot, I would love them
but they arent
bitter spire
but yes, they do in fact suck. the only one I used with any amount of regularity was the hammer, cause chucking thor's hammer at someone always knocked them down.
thorn warren
maybe in NG+0
cries in NG+7 poise buffs
everything. EVERYTHING HAS SO MUCH POISE
the last time I staggered a boss, WAS MARGIT
BLOODY
MARGIT
bitter spire
that's one of the bad QoL things from NG+ anything after 2.
hard arrow
wait, what's this about ball bearings? and QoL?
I don't think I found any ball bearings
bitter spire
quality of life
hard arrow
that's. not a word. is it?
bitter spire
bell bearing. slightly different.
hard arrow
do bells have bearings
bitter spire
miyazaki does it again.
thorn warren
theyre items you can give to the handmaidens and they sell differenter stuff to you
hard arrow
oh. I have not attacked any NPCs
thorn warren
I killed all of them once to see if their BBs carried over into NG+
answer: THEY DONT
FOR SOME
REASON
COME ON
hard arrow
Kale is my bro all my homies love Kale
bitter spire
kale was gonna have a quest at first, it was gonna be the good ending, too.
thorn warren
ahahahahahah Vieral
Vieral
you know no souls game has a good ending
we THINK it might have been a decent ending. from cut content.
bitter spire
I don't mean morally good, I mean spectacle good.
bitter spire
but yeah, any questions, crembo?
thorn warren
yes give me things to answer.
bitter spire
I've literally dabbled with every build, and Gurm's the progression king.