Ive seen that video
#Elden Ring
thorny oracle
"You can't buy [thing that isn't easily replenished]"
"It's the final battle"
"But I only have 85 of them".
At some point you just have to accept having a lower threshold of the amount that you stop using them again at.
thorn warren
yeah but imagine that, and then the item just doesnt work as it says it does.
thorn warren
At some point you just have to accept having a lower threshold of the amount tha...
NO
I NEED ALL OF THEM
thorny oracle
For the boss you'll never fight because the RPG is from 1992 and is never getting a remake that adds more bosses because it was Japan exclusive?
thorn warren
oh okay
OKAY
so Fextra is bloody wrong about things again
TURNS OUT
murder is not reversable via celestial dew
EVEN THOUGh
ALMOST EVERY SOURCE ONLINE CLAIMS IT IS
thorny oracle
To be fair, it's the first time NPC deaths have been reversible at all.
thorn warren
they arent*
thorny oracle
Outside of very very specific individual instances (usually petrification).
thorn warren
merchants didn't respawn.
other nameds I killed didn't respawn
the only thing celestial dew does
is remove hostilities
even though just about every news source claims, it reversed death.
this: is a blatant god damned lie.
thorny oracle
Then it's consistent with past games, and you shouldn't be surprised.
thorn warren
I thought it worked like prior games
but I googled it just to be sure
and the entire god damned internet told me it was different this time
so I USED
ONE OF MY EXTREMELY RARE
AND PRECIOUS CELESTIAL DEWS
and it did NOTHING
because they are all dead.
thorny oracle
I thought it worked like prior games
Where the only instances were petrification or super uber specific cases like Fire Keeper in DS1?
thorn warren
Where the only instances were petrification or super uber specific cases like Fi...
essentially
anyways if you can't tell Im displeased about this matter
thorny oracle
(Fucking Lautrec forcing me to go on a whole stupid fucking quest to get my hubfire back.)
thorn warren
(This is why we kill him by spartaing him Hero)
(also he sounded evil, so I killed him, I lucked out.)
thorny oracle
(Indeed. And then quitout and rejoin to get the ring)
thorn warren
alright Raya Lucaria.
you have incured the wrath of Persimmon. prepare for obliteration.
(yes my character is named Persimmon. do not question this.)
the cover story is that I named it after the helmet he wears but the real reason is that I just felt like naming him after the fruit because I just had it and it was tasty.
never let me name things. it will end poorly.
thorn warren
ya know Renala, maybe you shouldnt stand in water when the guy you are fighting has lightning as his main raw damage enhancement spell, and your body is made of tissue paper
thorny oracle
ya know Renala, maybe you shouldnt stand in water when the guy you are fighting ...
To be fair, she has Moon Laser, and usually doesn't need to worry.
thorn warren
To be fair, she has Moon Laser, and usually doesn't need to worry.
she shot the nearly immortal Mimic Tear with it.
the mimic tear didn't take much of any damage from it
thorny oracle
Good on the Mimic Tear.
thorn warren
I kid you not, it did MAYBE a 16th of his HP
which is substantial
but given that was her big alpha strike well, not good for her
thorny oracle
Better than most Mimic Tears, which seem to die in one shot to things that would 3 shot the player.
thorn warren
reminder that mimic tear has a multiplication of your total HP value.
reminder that I have over 2000 HP, and with 0 buffs 30% minimum nullification to all damage types.
dense saffron
Yeah, I don't remember my mimic tear dieing to pretty much anybody
thorn warren
with buffs that easily gets into the 50-60s
thorn warren
Yeah, I don't remember my mimic tear dieing to pretty much anybody
oh it absolutely can. sometimes its AI glitches out and it RP walks in a corner.
and then things just hit it. a lot.
dense saffron
Even when my Mimic is getting aggro and tanking for me, I usually die a heck of a lot quicker than my Tear does lol
thorn warren
yeah alright I found the multipliers
at +10
it has 3.3 times as much HP, and 1.488 times stamina
and of course infinate FP
as my mimic tear is the tankiest god damned thing in the known reality given my setup, its got more health than some bosses.
oh actually
hold on
wiki is claiming mimic tears have 50% damage negation against all damage types no matter what armour it wears
holy crap thats absurd if true.
dense saffron
That explains a lot lmao
thorny oracle
wiki is claiming mimic tears have 50% damage negation against all damage types n...
Then I guess the reason why mine die all the time is I'm addicted to Moon Laser.
And build solely for maximum Moon Laser.
thorn warren
And build solely for maximum Moon Laser.
yeahhhhh.
you aint givin the mimic a lot to work with to begin with.
I wonder if the mimic tear also takes reduced healing
because my erdtree heal does not heal a ton for it.
and it should.
a single erdtree heal can effectively top me off, doing around 1900 healing, that should heal given how math works, about a third of the mimic tear, but it does maybe an 8th on a good day.
although the Great Stars healing seems to work as intended.
meaning that lad is healing 150 HP per swing
good for him
is it just me or does old lords talisman loook.... small
vestal pewter
you have done it!
thorn warren
and hten put a stupid thingy in the area making so that I couldnt murderize her
thorn warren
you have done it!
I also did the entirety of raya lucaria in around 7 minutes including deaths.
(I died due to terrain one time okay. I hate parkour)
vestal pewter
do you remember when i was posting pictures of me mountain goating a wall sideways
thorny oracle
and hten put a stupid thingy in the area making so that I couldnt murderize her
To be fair, she is the Respec mechanic.
thorn warren
this is fair
thorny oracle
(I died due to terrain one time okay. I hate parkour)
Dying to gravity is never something to be ashamed of.
Even the speedrunners die to it from time to time.
thorn warren
okie
my GOD black knife ringleader is nasty
no wonder I never beat him until now
I had to pull out my old ancient texts of how to defeat annoying bosses. an ancient technique reserved for only the bosses that truly deserve it. those that deserve my full force and skill.
The Way Of The Bonk
a sacred technique only reserved for the worthy.
thorny oracle
Did you utilize Traditional Bonk, or the Flying Bonk?
thorn warren
Traditional.
Flying is some foolish modern variation that does not respect the arts.
thorny oracle
Flying Bonk does more damage and often stuns for longer.
And now that we have a dedicated jump button, we can do it from a standstill.
thorn warren
While true, the classics stand firm.
Truly. A bonk is a bonk.
The method of delivery is the users choice.
thorn warren
"fun" fact: YOUR MIMIC TEAR WILL USE LAW OF REGRESSION WHEN YOU ARE HYPERBUFFED AND JUST LEAVE YOU TO DIE.
THATS IT
NO MORE LAW OF REGRESSION FOR YOU
law of regression really should not work on friendlies but well, here we are
except well
thats really the only way to effectively cure deathblight.....
ugghhhhh
alright mimic tear, I guess you get to keep law of regression
but seriously
thats frustrating
I just
I seriously wish I could lock the mimic tear out of using specific spells
wihtout havingg to unequip them
on the topic of spells, when you unequip them, why does the entire spell list move back 1.
justt, leave that spot open
I dont want to have to unequip my entire spellist to reorganize it
thorn warren
alright one achivement remains: frenzied ending
which Ill get..... at some point
okay so thats..... everything for this NG I think?
anything last minute I desprately want.....
well, time to fight death blight laddo
maliketh killed me.... by knocking me off the arena
I didn't even realize this place didn't have walls
...... I've fought him how many times now?
(not often enough honestly, Ive forgotten most of his patterns)
495K payout from killing him. god damn NG+ pays well
watch him be the hardest boss, because as all souls games go, the actual last streatch of required bosses are the easiest.
I say this already knowing elden beast is a joke, Raddagon is an embarassment, Hora Leox is a pro wrestler with a handful of tricks, and All Knowing is just..... what is he doing here. seriously.
also might I say the only reason Maliketh is as hard as he is, is because of the percentage health damage he does
it just, its insidious
also every time Im back here, its fun to see how far I've come. Used to be using Dark Knight Halberd, Mimic Tear face, Lionel Gauntlets, and I believe thats the female tree guard armour, although the boots, can't quite tell.
that was me coming here first time ever, its nice to have something like this to look back on, just how far I have come.
oh the legs are also lionel
I was still wearing some serious beef back then.
the funny thing is, I didn't even think about it as if I was setting down a memento
I was just really sad about all knowing stabbing us in the back
why did I use tear face? was it for extra arcane for bleed build up? something else? no. I just thought it looked cool, and didn't quite process it was lowering my damage output.
thorn warren
Welp, Vaati just did a 40 minute trailer analysis. Go watch it.
Dueling shield….. oh…. OH… OHOHOHOH….
I thought that was just a weird twin blade.
I just….. hoooh. New lore. New lore from just one trailer I….. OOOOOH. Sorry. Excited.
thorn warren
Supposedly: this will be froms only DLC for this game, although, time will tell if they end up doing more.
bronze solstice
I mean it is massive
and supposedly a separate level up system to get stronger
so even maxed out players can enjoy progression
thorn warren
indeed
in other news: woo!
journey 5 time babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
this time around, BURNING THE ERDTREE TO THE GROUND
oblique magnet
The funny yellow fire?
thorn warren
The funny yellow fire?
yup
just finished feeding the woman all of her grapes
now I get to do the erudation quest
and after that...... burn erdtree to the ground, get to NG+7, and figure it out from there
also Im currently trying to see what happens if I make it to layndelle without ever meeting Melina
thorn warren
ng +4 isn't it?
yup
Journey 8 is when scaling stops
Im wondering if the Mohgwyn palace farming spot will even work at such a high NG
oblique magnet
Relic greatsword probably
thorn warren
I might have to resort back to prayer room until I can increase my damage
thats the farm Im reffering to robin
Im wondering if the enemies will have too much HP
oblique magnet
probably will
oblique magnet
worst case you cast it twice
thorn warren
scaling only really jumps significantly from Journy 1 to 2.
from then on its small increases
so, hard to say.
Journey 8 is gonna be annoying though, since Im trying to prep that world for shadow, meaning Im going to want ever grace, all the best outcomes of quests I can do, doing all bosses, etc.
activating all great runes, which is a goddamned pain I haven't bothered with even slightly in these NGs.
oblique magnet
I was gonna start a new game TBH
thorn warren
thats completely fair
oblique magnet
cause who knows what questlines might be affected
thorn warren
.............
screw it Im just gonna do the world for rani's ending then start Journey 9
oblique magnet
Ranni! Ranni! Ranni!
thorn warren
she's best girl
she helps you end the world with cold darkness and moons. its great.
also she has a tiny travel sized form.
oblique magnet
arguably the best ending (when localization doesn't make it seem bleaker)
thorn warren
wellllllllll
about thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
okay, so, the ending WAS translated properly
the issue is that fans then went and did a literal translation
instead of following the context of the language used.
the literal translation makes it seem a lot nicer than it actually is
thats the answer.
the ending is how its supposed to be.
at least, from what I'm told by friends of mine who speak fluent Japanese.
and I trust them more than a literal translation.
oblique magnet
IDK, but looking at it again, localized vs literal is very at-odds with each other, which is very strange
or at the very least, localized can be read with similar intent to literal, but is missing some keywords that make it a bit ambiguous
thorn warren
yeah its..... its weird.
really, the well and truth of it
is its a fromsoft ending
believe what you like of it
all the endings, all their meanings, its all meant to be vague and sort of pick your poison.
for me, Ranni effectively ends the world, but I get a maiden out of the deal so ya know, worth it.
bestest ending.
thorn warren
also every time Im back here, its fun to see how far I've come. Used to be using...
yall know how I had this big speach about history and whatnot?
yeah I forgot to press protect message on that.
god damnit elden ring.
welp. guess ILL JUST HAVE TO REDO IT!
thorn warren
I legitimately wonder what will happen if I make it all the way to the base of the erdtree without ever meeting melina.
will there be new dialogue?
a special cutscene?
idk
anything?
will the game flip out and snap in half?
thorn warren
apparently the game wont let me into layndelle without speaking to the finger reader crone.
and there aren't any other ways into layndelle without visiting the roundtable hold.....
well played game.
thorn warren
finally became a lord of chaos, time to rush the endgame and burn the erdtree to the ground.
oblique magnet
There's the leyndel skip with the big elevator and the transporter trap
thorny oracle
It's not a glitch, it's a speedrun tech. :P
thorny oracle
Any% leads to the whackiest runs.
thorn warren
this is true
but I hate it as a catagory
like I get it
you get to see some truly wild nonsense
but holy crap is it..... just mental.
thorny oracle
The real best category, though, of any game, is Any% TAS.
thorny oracle
Seeing just how badly a game can be strangled if inputs are pushed to perfection is the best.
thorn warren
super monkey ball is one of my favorites for that
also brain age.
brain age tas is fun
thorny oracle
Even better when you have a case like Mario Bros 1 where the human and the TAS are basically the same, TAS only really being faster because of a trick that is considered functionally non-human viable where you rapidly roll from going left to going right at the start of an odd-number level to hit max rightward momentum earlier to save a framerule on each odd-numbered level (and also each X-4 level)
thorn warren
welllllllllllllllllll
so
its technically human viable
the only issue with backwards acceleration is that you need to file down the bump on the NES controller
and I believe thats considered a banned tactic.
thorny oracle
Functionally non-human viable, due to how controllers are built.
thorn warren
yess
although INTERESTINGLY
in some other communities
it is legal to file down that bump
to pull off other tricks
I believe the mario cart community allows it
thorny oracle
Yeah, too many tricks in Mario Kart require the bump to be gone.
thorn warren
yeah.
still, its very interesting.
although Mario Kart still has a ton of human imposisble tricks
I believe Wii has one where you have to hop every other frame?
which is literally impossible to do on a physical controller
something happened here.
I dont quite know what.
nono figured it out
they all jumpped off the cliff
and missed.
thorny oracle
Gravity, the greatest foe of all.
thorn warren
indeed
although can I be completely honest
how do you miss the jump for faram azula?
its literally, just walk down onto it
you dont jump
you dont sprint
nor roll
you just, walk.
thorny oracle
how do you miss the jump for faram azula?
By jumping at all, because you heard it called "jump for faram azula".
thorn warren
By jumping at all, because you heard it called "jump for faram azula".
this is fair
then again it might also be the SEEKERS going mental again
Vaati's clan tag, sometimes they go a bit..... insane when looking for htings.
thorny oracle
then again it might also be the SEEKERS going mental again
The Bearer Seek Seek Lests?
thorn warren
no, sadly not.
Vaati Vidia set up a multiplayer tag called SEEKERS in which we're supposed to be more reliable and helpful than others, and also be out looking for things
in the early weeks after release you would sometimes see MASSIVE blood piles of dozens of people trying looking for stuff
I mostly have it on because their messages on the ground are more reliable, and its funny to see where people die.
thorny oracle
So basically you're supposed to be exploring for hidden unfound stuff, and also being "Let Me Solo Her" but for any boss?
Where if summoned, you help defeat the boss.
vestal pewter
oh yeh thats one of my secondary passwords
thorn warren
So basically you're supposed to be exploring for hidden unfound stuff, and also ...
in a sense, essentially.
thorn warren
Where if summoned, you help defeat the boss.
tags dont quite work like that.
vestal pewter
the other is the wanderbots password i think
thorn warren
basically you see those circles around some of the blood splotches Hero?
thats how you know its from one of your tags
same for message signs
summon signs do not get this though
also I havent found a boss anyone would summon me for in over 100 hours
so
yeah.
I might
be a few too many NG+s out there
thorny oracle
Try invading someone random, perhaps, see if you get a hit?
thorn warren
oh I can invade
its all gank squads hero
its all just gank squads
set up around where you spawn in
and then just wholloping you
vestal pewter
this is why i have very explosive spells and skills
thorn warren
dinga you literally wouldnt get a chance.
they surround you, then cast massive roll catching spells
then murder you.
vestal pewter
i mean i do and i ahve
thorn warren
noooot at these soul levels
vestal pewter
again i have
thorn warren
Dinga what is your SL
vestal pewter
200- 250
thorn warren
Im at SL 390.
Ive got more than 100 levels on you.
thats a lotta points, and a lotta extra damage to be dishing out
vestal pewter
comment still stands
thorn warren
a 3 person gank squad against an invader, you die horribly.
vestal pewter
it is surprising how dumb people can be
a good 50% when i invade will try to instantly kill the second you spawn
thorn warren
and then what? you magically dont die.
vestal pewter
which is a very big no no cause your invincible for a few seconds
it is an incredible life saver at times
thorn warren
that doesnt save me from a howl of shibriri, a dragon communion ability, and a guy meleeing me. it doesnt matter how invicible I am Dinga, I will get roll caught, and die.
this isn't DS3 where I can roll away and stalk them through a level.
they will just kill me.
vestal pewter
that sounds like a problem a little bit after you spawn not the very second you spawn
thorn warren
dinga. the invicibility does not save you from a dedicated level 400 mage looking to kill you, and his melee buddies.
you die.
there is no survival.
I dont know what your experiences are
but htey are not mine
and mine are dying horribly
this is because everyone at my SL has extremely high stats and optimized builds. not, random fools messing around at SL 200
vestal pewter
wait do you happen to have that tear that heals you from non physical damage?
thorn warren
..... the what.
vestal pewter
there is a tear that makes you basically unstoppable against all non physical attacks
and even heals you
if hit by them
it doesnt last very long after drinking but it is a life saver
vestal pewter
you basically are the anti wizard while its in use
thorn warren
you know what dinga.
we have different playstyles
we exist at different SLs
and have different experiences with the souls series.
we will not be finding common ground
vestal pewter
its saved me quite alot in some of the worst experiences
vestal pewter
or at least kept me alive longer before i died horribly
vestal pewter
i randomly decided to invade again for old times sake and i cant believe i encountered someone with extremely low vigor at these levels
i magic hammered him once and basically a sliver of health left on them
thorn warren
okay I seriously need to get rid of law of regression
the mimic tear AI is literally braindead with it
it casts it
for no god damned reason
at all
like yeah, its literally the best removal in the game, but the AI is so god damned braindead I cant be using it.
why did they have to make the omni cure spell, be the same spell that strips buffs?
like I get the lore reasons
but gameplay wise its just
uuugggggghhhh
now I get to instead of having 1 ombi cure spell, have 2 spells that only really do half the job I want them to do
vestal pewter
i liked it but couldnt see the use of it unless im encountering alot of buffers
thorn warren
I like it for PvE just because I can have one spell and it solves all my problems
vestal pewter
so i just put it in the closet unless well i start seeing a great increase in buffers
thorn warren
but for some reason mimic tear AI seems to trigger it whenever Im near and have a lot of buffs on
I think the way the AI is handling it is its detecting quantity of buffed entities, and not caring about affiliations
vestal pewter
also had a moment where i kept getting pulled into some guys world when i invaded earlier
it was hilarious
thorn warren
so, back to good ol fassioned "flame clense me" to deal with basically the only status effect I really care about, given that if Ima die to death blight, ima die to death blight.
vestal pewter
it likes to spam all your tricks doesnt it?
like i got both types of magic bombs and the deer head which is funny to see my mimic use
thorn warren
it likes to spam all your tricks doesnt it?
it does but it typically picks them relatively smnartly
reworked spell list, no more lightning buffed blade but well, look the damage boost of bloodflame is honestly good enough, and the bleed build up works against most of the nastier bosses I need it to work against. worst comes to worst, black flame kills everything.
vestal pewter
oh wait so what if when spawn the mimic you dont have your spell thing out
so its just the shield and weapon version
thorn warren
oh wait so what if when spawn the mimic you dont have your spell thing out
it cant swap
thorn warren
so its just the shield and weapon version
then it sucks
the mimic tear doesn't understand it has a godlike shield that protects it from harm
it just treats it like the AI treats its shields
disposible
essentially it dies far faster and is far weaker
vestal pewter
oh i know it doesnt swap thats why i said it its like how i have my mimic always with the wand so he does his thing
thorn warren
yes but see, you've mentioend a key point
letting the tear do its thing
thats why I give it my spell tool
so that it can do its thing.
without it, its a moron
with it, its a moron with a series of high powered nuclear missiles
I think, this spell list should overall be better?
there is one thing about this game that I am upset about
there is no dual scaling buff.
its all just "scales, but only with X part"
so all of these faith weapon buffs only sclae with faith
all the int ones only scale with int
nothing scales with arcane
nothing dual scales
just leaving it all.... to be essentially token damage ammounts that just give a nice extra hit to damage
like its good to have but its.... not great.
bloodflame (as my build is right now) gives 89 fire damage.
electrify gives 167
and its all jjust....
like its nice to have
but given how scaling works those flat numbers in random catagories just become less and less useful.
I wish there was a physical enhancement buff, or you know, something that scaled with multiple stats.
the power of spell seals is that the best ones have multi scaling
but then the best buffs just..... dont use it
at all
the way things are going..... I think a change in build may be in order.
I might be swapping to daggers.
yes, the shield and poke had a good run but for these later and later NGs..... its falling off. I might have to start actually..... getting good.
thorn warren
with this I.... Im finally free from the great Jarsanal.
a new build is born. time to see how well it does.
long and short of it: Ive played far too long with a shield and its become a crutch. time to dive back into the deep end of dodging
vestal pewter
is this the way of the turle knight?
thorn warren
nooot quite
yes I have a turtle shield in that screenshot I was just mucking around
thorn warren
...... Dinga I literally just said that was me messing aorund and its not part of the build
vestal pewter
but turtle knight
great now im imagine if they had a turtle neck and head helmet
like that helmet you can get with the worm things from monster hunter world
like it just flops about
thorn warren
ohhhh yeah, now THIS
THIS IS A BUILD
FINALLY
adding some skill and excitement back into this
vestal pewter
is it pure insanity?
thorn warren
god slain with new build.
thorn warren
is it pure insanity?
its a deranged amalgamation of all the effort and skill I have developed over my souls carrier.
vestal pewter
you knife seems to do taxes
thorn warren
now thats cool.
neat. I think I might have ended the world.
and now Melina is trying to kill me but hey, good news THATS 100%!
FINALLY
vestal pewter
unless of course you have her burnt to ash before you burn the world
thorn warren
unless of course you have her burnt to ash before you burn the world
yeah kinda.... forgot to do that one.
oops
dense saffron
I wonder whether they'll tie Melina into Shadow of the Erdtree.
Or if she, and that entire scene, is just left up in questions
thorn warren
I wonder whether they'll tie Melina into Shadow of the Erdtree.
well, so, Torrent was seemingly Miquilas steed for a while, at least in promotional art, but somehow Melina got him, and gave him to us, so potentially this might answer some needed questions about her origins, along with miquila's. who knows. theres a LOT of voids in the lore right now, which I dearly hope this area will fill in.
I mean theres a lot we do know
but theres so much that we dont
its one of hte reasons I love these games
the line between known and unknown is..... thin and vast at the same time
dense saffron
Tbh, I hope Melina gets her own entire DLC
I think I remember somebody saying that Shadow of the Erdtree was going to be Elden Ring's only dlc, but I hope that ends up being false
thorn warren
From currentlyu claims that Shadow was their only planned DLC
so what that really means is if they feel like it and depending on how much money it makes, they might make another
dense saffron
That's fair
I'll keep my fingers crossed and my wallet ready then lol
Already bought the Shadow dlc, even though I probably should have waited until next week at least since I get paid then lol
thorn warren
I had a rainy day fund set away for elden ring.
that rainy day fund did not expect the DLC to be 40 bucks but I bit the bullet and paid the extra.
could I have waited? no the ADHD demanded it had to be bought right htat instant
dense saffron
I always paid for each game and dlc at the same time, since I came to the Souls series relatively late. How much was the standard rate for dlc before now?
thorn warren
I always paid for each game and dlc at the same time, since I came to the Souls ...
I have no idea.
I did the same Shadow
lemme use google
it appears that Ashes of Ariandel, was 15 dollars
dense saffron
Yeah, that's a big difference
thorn warren
given that I think AoA was one of their best made expansions ever, well, yeah.
its quite the jump but given the quality they have given us, Im gonna say probably worth it.
dense saffron
Although, I wonder how much of that shakes into different categories. Like, games are better, and bigger, than back then. Then you have the size of the dlc package, how much is introduced, etc. and finally you have just general inflation, so I'm a little curious
thorn warren
I mean so, hm.
its.... its something to consider
most larger scale games that I know of mostly price their DLC around 15-25 bucks.
I have quite literally never until now seen a DLC priced at 40 USD.
so, its an interesting choice to be sure.
dense saffron
Tbf, it's one everybody is willing to pay, so we all think it's worth it at least
thorn warren
indeed
the way Im thinking about it, is that its about the cost of 2 fromsoft DLCs, and given what Elden Ring is, I think its a worthwhile price from what I know of From.
so, we will see.
I have good hopes
but yeah its a bit pricy.
we can all admit that.
dense saffron
But I do wonder. Games are better in quality, especially the Souls series, so if you have to do more work, it makes sense to charge more. Additionally, this is an open world, where we're not just getting new enemies and quest lines, we're also getting a whole map, the size of Limgrave even.
thorn warren
okay well, so
Miyazaki claims its around the size of limgrave
but he's had a history of understating things
significantly
dense saffron
Oooh
thorn warren
so, we'll see
dense saffron
So if it's even bigger, that just makes my point even more
thorn warren
from what we were shown, it seems quite large
indeed.
and given interviews they are saying its going to be denser than limgrave
IE: more crap to do
so, thats a lotta work
Limgrave was already fairly dense.
dense saffron
Excited Statement: Yaaaas
thorn warren
so yeah, thats a lot of work, lot of dev time, we shall see.
thorn warren
Excited Statement: Yaaaas
exactly.
so yeah, high hopes but, its still 5 months out give or take
so, we wait.
dense saffron
I still need to grind for my trophies
thorn warren
I just finished 100%
I feel empty now
or maybe just tired
I think Im tired.
I did a whole social interaction today, beat elden ring twice, and then fixed up an essay.
I think I just did too much
dense saffron
I transferred from my ps4 to 5, but my characters and trophies got reset as a result. So, I have been putting off going through everything I did before, just cause I've felt lazy
thorn warren
pain
I remember when I lost a 200 hour character in DS3
it crushed me.
I still had my trophies but well, I didn't care about them so much as the character.
his name was DeadShirt, and he was one of my earliest. you are missed DeadShirt.
dense saffron
I could have transferred my progress over, but I didn't have a constant internet connection, and by the time I did, it meant I would have had to overwrite my ps5 save files to import the ps4 files. And that wasn't going to happen lol
thorn warren
makes sense
dense saffron
I remember when I lost a 200 hour character in DS3
I've never actually finished ds3, I haven't been able to. My original system with my character that was in the freaking Lothric Castle got stolen by my ex-roomates, and I lost all of that progress. I've never been able to actually go back and keep pushing through to finish what I started just because of how crushing it was
thorn warren
I've never actually finished ds3, I haven't been able to. My original system wit...
I eventually went back and crushed through the game, although never actually beat the final DLC
I kinda.... got stuck and didn't know where to go
dense saffron
Lothric Castle. Right in Front of the freaking Twins. Uuuuugh
thorn warren
ooooof
thats, yeah.
I mean arguably they aren't the hardest to get back to..... if you know what you are doing
and enjoy suffering
so you know as a souls player you are perfect for the job
dense saffron
Heh
thorn warren
back when I did my rebuild character I rushed the Guts sword, and then did the classic Ariandelle run through to get an absurdly powerful weapon and character before beating almost any difficult bosses.
dense saffron
Yeah, I might end up trophy hunting for Elden Ring, finish up the 100%, then go back to ds3 while I wait for the dlc
dense saffron
My main right now is sitting at 450
dense saffron
I want to max him out, but it's taking forever
thorn warren
IM A GOD DAMNED SOCIOPATH WHEN IT COMES TO GRINDING
HOW
ARE YOU HIGHER SL
THAN ME
dense saffron
Ng4 or 5, on the ps5, I think
thorn warren
Im only 396
thorn warren
Ng4 or 5, on the ps5, I think
wha..... but.... I.....
brain no functioning good
journey 6 time I guess.
god damn.
I have been officially challenged in my own domain.
Im sorry shadow, but you have chosen death.
thorn warren
please do
I must know what I must crush.
I will obliterate you Shadow.
this is my domain. my realm. my lawn.
dense saffron
It's annoying AF too, since my main of the 4 was like 300 something. If I could just combine them......
thorn warren
you'd be over max I think
but yeah
if you just had the one you might have been done by now
dense saffron
I know! It's so aggravating every time I think about it!
thorn warren
dense saffron
Brb
Looks like somebody is knocking on the front door of the other location I watch. I don't know why, theres nobody there right now
thorn warren
eh it fine, Im going to bed shorty anyways
my brain has been runnning on fumes for the past.... while now
I really should sleep
dense saffron
It is. The person knocking was the cleaning crew. Apparently he forgot his phone inside lol
thorn warren
two more endings to get <a:alarun:823750019043557387>
woo woo!
thorn warren
and to chage the drip once again <:Burn2:796683499645960273>
why?
if the drip works hwy change it?
ocean grail
I cannot decide on a permanent outfit, much of it is just too good
thorn warren
this makes me happy.
thorn warren
I cannot decide on a permanent outfit, much of it is just too good
ahhh. I just go for the tanky stuff.
its all ugly as sin
but man is it tanky
thorny oracle
this makes me happy.
When the DLC drops, there'll probably be more achievements tied to it.
thorn warren
When the DLC drops, there'll probably be more achievements tied to it.
yup. but I have it now.
steam doesnt undo achievements
ocean grail
its already too late, new outfit already made
thorn warren
its already too late, new outfit already made
fellow great star enjoyer?!
ocean grail
it good, too bad my stength is fairly low
thorn warren
ahhh rip
ocean grail
incantations go brr
thorny oracle
steam doesnt undo achievements
Can't wait for the Isaac Online patch to release for everyone and all the Online Achievements drop, resulting in people with Dead God having their most recent achievements become Online stuff rather than Dead God. :P
ocean grail
i have bare minimum for it
thorn warren
this is my current drip.
and my forever drip unless Shadow gives HEAVIER CHUNKIER armour
god I want it to do that
I want it so bad
thorny oracle
and my forever drip unless Shadow gives HEAVIER CHUNKIER armour
Watch them give lighter looking armor that has higher defenses despite looking like tissue paper in comparison to your current drip. :P
thorn warren
Watch them give lighter looking armor that has higher defenses despite looking l...
okay.
thats fine
thorny oracle
An entire caveman set, that has 99% resist on everything that you only get for no-hitting the DLC's final boss, or something like that. :P
thorn warren
An entire caveman set, that has 99% resist on everything that you only get for n...
from isn't that evil
thorny oracle
from isn't that evil
FromSoft made the Caprademon boss fight room. Your claim is invalid.
thorn warren
it would only be locked behind a hyper specific quest that requires you leaving some bosses alive and or befriending them, thus exausting dialogue, then completing the game with a new special ending, then fighting a postgame hidden super secret boss which THEN, drops a key, which opens a secret super hard dungeon, which then holds the armour in 4 extremely hidden well guarded chests.
thorn warren
FromSoft made the Caprademon boss fight room. Your claim is invalid.
he wasn't that hard.
did yall just
not use firebombs?
and I dont mean throwing over the wall
I mean in the arena
vestal pewter
its already too late, new outfit already made
you have joined the ways of looking like a vagabond
vestal pewter
and then we have giants fire bombs
thorny oracle
he wasn't that hard.
It wasn't him. It was the dogs. And it's hard to use firebombs when you're stunlocked by two angry dogs.
ocean grail
ronin chest, exile gloves and pant, bandit mask 
thorn warren
It wasn't him. It was the dogs. And it's hard to use firebombs when you're stunl...
I know it was the dogs
Im talking about the dogs
the boss itself is a joke
the dogs are the true boss
also they've evolved passed that Hero
you knoow that.
thorny oracle
also they've evolved passed that Hero
Looks at the gank boulders
Suuuuuuuuuure.
thorn warren
those were in the open world, not in a boss arena
thus
they evolved past that
I didn't say they got nicer
also the boulders weren't that bad.
just.... stab them.
thorny oracle
those were in the open world, not in a boss arena
The chariot in the sewers is just a fancier gank boulder.
thorn warren
The chariot in the sewers is just a fancier gank boulder.
which Chariot
there were a lot of them
thorny oracle
The one that runs through the sewer area and runs you over and will also do 180s on a dime just to run you over because it barely missed you.
thorn warren
yeah that one was fun
ya know I finally got enough health to tank em.
which is apparenlty possible
thorny oracle
they evolved past that
Also, in the Magic School, there's a rehash of the Anor Londo Bow Knights, in the form of "walk on the very thin areas while everyone and their mother fire magic at you".
thorn warren
Also, in the Magic School, there's a rehash of the Anor Londo Bow Knights, in th...
at least it wasn't the painting guardians again
then again they pulled that again in DS3
so
thorny oracle
Point is, From haven't evolved past anything. They just have changed the presentation of specific ideas.
thorn warren
mhm
thats evolution
like how they changed the thralls from being a rare enemy only appearing in specific areas, to now being bloody everywhere and in every legacy dungeon except a select few.
oh and gave htem bleed
well. I think its time to push myself one step further
Ima learn parrying, with the Misercord.
dear god this.... this is bad
what the hell even is the god damned parry window on this thing
maybe learning with the buckler before moving to misercord would be a good idea
why is the buckler so easy but the misercord so hard.
oh thats why. 2 extra frames of startup and 1 less frame of active time.
well this is all very interesting.
im off to try and git gud now.
vestal pewter
oh you mean you put the parry skill on the knife itself?
oblique magnet
Dagger parry
It kinda stinks, but you don't need to carry around a shield to use it
For reference, the best parry in the game (golden parry/carian retaliation) has 4 startup, and 6 active frames at 30 fps, while dagger parry has 6 startup and 4 active
Still better than large shield parry at 6 start and 2 active
thorn warren
carian retaliation has the same frames, but only costs stamina unless you are blocking a spell
yeah
so it kinda ass.
dagger parry that is
so, turtle shield with carian it is for me.
dagger parrying is stupid anyways
vestal pewter
its really funny to use when they fling a moon at you or something and it just blips out
that other magic parry is probably more for parrying a multiple barrage kinda shot but its harder to do
alot harder
thorn warren
time for the first real test, Margit.
should be fun to see how well I can parry him
honestly: absurdly easy to parry
I think.... I think lies of P might have trained me well
although Im still real bad at parrying monstrous enemies
TLDR: if its humanoid, and not too big, Ive got it.
anything else and Im not sure if Im just stupid, or if its unparryable.
thorny oracle
I think.... I think lies of P might have trained me well
The true test of if you've learned how to parry is if you can handle Sekiro.
thorn warren
The true test of if you've learned how to parry is if you can handle Sekiro.
sekiro uses the same parry system as lies of P
and I got REALLY good at lies of P
also I dont own sekiro
oblique magnet
carian retaliation has the same frames, but only costs stamina unless you are bl...
Fp, not stamina, and I said carian retal
thorn warren
Fp, not stamina, and I said carian retal
Robin are you available to hop into a discord call right now?
oblique magnet
You gonna yell at me?
thorn warren
no Im gonna stream me using carian retaliation and it not using FP
oblique magnet
The swordbirds in stormveil?
dense saffron
@thorn warren I went to bed when I got him. Here he is, a little late. Also, I thought I was a bit higher in lvl, but I'm not too far off
thorn warren
There’s…. No image?
dense saffron
Does anybody, EVER, bother to use the discord camera? Cause I have not once had it work and post a picture I took. I hit the checkmark to download, and the picture just disappears
thorn warren
My god
thorn warren
Does anybody, EVER, bother to use the discord camera? Cause I have not once had ...
I have
I…. What kind of spell list is that?
dense saffron
How do you get it to work?! Or am I just failing every single time
dense saffron
I…. What kind of spell list is that?
It's literally just my fuck around list
thorn warren
I tap camera and take the photo.
thorn warren
I just like how they look
Fair
I’ve recently fallen in love with black flame spells
Mostly because later bosses have so much god damned hp.
thorn warren
turns out, if you kill the duo godskin fight right as a new one spawns
it hangs around
and remains violent
oblique magnet
Huh
thorn warren
interesting. merchant bell bearings given to the twin maiden husks do NOT keep over NG+
but the ones you get from non merchants (including bellbearing hunter) do keep
found room in my build for catch flame
it solid
its interesting how my build with time has slowly become this weird heavy armored pyromancer that primarily uses daggers.
its..... its really strange
but it just.... works?
Ive got a fire scorpion charm on now?! I mean..... the hell am I doing but it..... it barely reduces my physical negation because of how negation scales?
I just..... its so weird. so strange.
oblique magnet
it'll still make you take 12% more physical damage no matter what armor set you're wearing
thorn warren
it'll still make you take 12% more physical damage no matter what armor set you'...
it reduces absorpiton Robin.
its not flat.
its an absorption decrease.
oblique magnet
yes
thorn warren
and when I wear it, my absorption goes down by 5
thorn warren
absorption before and after.
oblique magnet
gurm
thorn warren
robin.
oblique magnet
I am not talking about the number presented on the UI
go get hit by something with and without the charm
you will see that it is 12% more damaging
thorn warren
ima check.
oblique magnet
damage reduction % is always finicky and tricky to the brain
because 99% is 10x better than 90%
thorn warren
with charm on, damage taken, 182
with charm off, damage taken, 165
oblique magnet
forgot it wasn't identical in/out
thorn warren
my math may be bad, but Im still using it
at max buff it reduces my absorption by 3%, which is still going ot be 10% of 75ish absorption, but at those levels, I just dont care?
oblique magnet
for the exact same reason why 90% Dr is only 2.5 times better than 75%
thorn warren
fair enough
oblique magnet
it's because you're working in changing numbers and the remainder of those numbers
oblique magnet
I think i've said this a few times, now
thorn warren
how do I know the quadratic forumae and how to read most graphs, but I forgot this.
I just
thorn warren
I think i've said this a few times, now
you have
oblique magnet
probably
oblique magnet
probably
thorn warren
so I am, getting a 10% reduction, but when hyper buffing that still leaves me with over 70% absorption, which is essentially the soft cap on absorption in this game. I think there are some small ways you can make it bigger but well.... its hard.
and I cant quite remember if bull is better helmet? but it would only be by a fraction of a percent at best
anyways Im happy
but thanks for the math correction
cause my brain is stupid sometimes
oblique magnet
I disagree with the term "soft cap" for damage reductions
thorn warren
......
oblique magnet
but it is technically correct
thorn warren
alright, with all the potential buffs in the game, there is an upper limit.
now,
if there were MORE applicible buffs
that limit would go up
but as it stands
oblique magnet
yes
thorn warren
it roughly caps out, at about 75%
oblique magnet
but that's called a hard cap
thorn warren
I.....
you....
god damnit can I get one thing right in this conversation
also I called 70% the softcap
oblique magnet
no :3
thorn warren
fair
thorn warren
Robin
I dont like switching things
also
and hear me out
the bullgoat helmet is stuidly ugly
I lose a few fractions of defense, for lookign far better.
oblique magnet
I would say the same for the pumpkin helm tbh
thorn warren
compared to the bull goat
it looks way better
I think my character looks ugly as sin
but because armour actually matters in this game
I wear the good stuff
even though its ugly as sin.
look at his face. this thing needs to be hidden. bull goat dont do that
no Im not fixing his face
also you say super uncommon
oblique magnet
christ
thorn warren
Ive been headshot REPEATEDLY in PvE
so I dont know what magical trick you nerds are using
oblique magnet
bro how
thorn warren
but it aint working for me
thorn warren
the weird spectral archery people
they got the gaint oversized arrows
and a height advantage
near the wandering masoleums in luneria
they always seem to get at least 1 headshot on me whenever I run past
thorn warren
outside of there, it basically never happens
oblique magnet
it's always my spine or flank
thorn warren
but I still retain the fassion souls argument
also, fun fact: his chin pokes out the bottom of the pumpkin helm
dread it. run from it. the habsburg chin will always arrive.
oblique magnet
you're probably getting headshotted because your character's head is the size of a walmart, then
thorn warren
the thing is, and this is actually something I haven't seen tested.
does the pumpkin helmet increase your head hitbox
because that might be doing it
but since nobody but me and 5 other people use it, I dont htink anyone actually tested it
thorn warren
no.
vestal pewter
but the tests!
thorn warren
dinga I already let you stab me with a piece of an eldrich horror
Im not letting you shoot me with a cannon or a ballista.
vestal pewter
how else we going to know these things
most people wont be aiming directly for your head
thorn warren
I.... look just..... I just wanna get into NG+7
okay
then I can get best girl ending
and I can do all sorts of stuff
and I can be happy and grinding
and then afterall is said and done
then
I might consider letting you shoot my head off
thorn warren
the tree is burnt again.
off ot faram
and then, shorly
Ill be in NG+7
the journey will be over
the grind and wrapup can begin.
if you follow my graces, (ignoring the one in the church, I went through a portal because I forgot where it went and felt like exploring) thats essentially the fastest way to NG+. you just ignore every non boss except for a handful that block key areas, blitz past everything, burn down the boss, and continue on
I mean look at stormveil! I started taking the front god damned gate. That place hurts.
mostly the opening bit, after you get past the archery spam, its quite easy
I got here in about 3 hours of on and off play. iif you know where to go, and have a build, this game is short.
thats really elden ring for you, as a buddy of mine put it, "how thurough do you want to be"
thorn warren
The leaves have told a story
for the seventh, and final time. (for now)
NG+7
the pinnacle. I have arrived.
god damn.
time to do, well, everything.
full boss clear.
full quest clears.
all graces I can figure out where to find
thorn warren
I can't tell if Im getting slower because of the evening, or if Im miss remembering but the jump from NG+6 to 7 is.... well it feels larger.
it might also be that I've basically climbed 2 NGs every day for the past few days straight and Im just a bit loopy
really its hard to me to tell anymore
Black Flame is being a hard carry still.
low level, and high level content is what this stuff is for
midgame theres far better options
but when every fight is a battle of attrition, winning after just 50 hits (minimum) seems pretty bloody good.
thorn warren
man elden ring is so much more fun when Im not just running between 6 bosses.
theres this whole world to explore
and stuff to do
trim blaze
necromancer on convergence is also much more enjoyable when your not playing with friends with seemless
the spirit summoning and recall work properly in single players, not when playing with other
you still get to buff your friends in multiplayers, but you only have 1 shot with your spirit summon
thorn warren
I just summon mimic tear and laugh.
Mimic test with a self heal weapon (great stars) refuses to die
trim blaze
Mimic will also use healing incantations
thorn warren
Yes
trim blaze
this is how i cheesed Malenia the first time i fought her
thorn warren
Although they appear to have reduced effectiveness
trim blaze
Every healing spell have reduced effect on others
thorn warren
Since when.
trim blaze
DS3?
thorn warren
……..
I swear it didn’t feel like that in 3
I’m not saying you’re wrong
It’s merely just actually noticeable in this game
trim blaze
or maybe not
thorn warren
Oh?
thorn warren
Ahhhhh
trim blaze
maybe to balance support builds?
thorn warren
What’s the reduction? Because it feels like it’s halved or more.
thorn warren
maybe to balance support builds?
Unlikely.
trim blaze
healing is very efficient with the cerulean flasks
trim blaze
depend on the incantation
trim blaze
Heals (5.9x Faith Incantation Scaling) HP to self and heals (4.2x Faith Incantation Scaling) HP to nearby friendly entities.
well.... "worth"
your healing a lot, but it cost a LOT
the most efficient healing incantation is great heal
thorn warren
I have 2015 hp base. No boosts.
I need that much healing.
Welcome to endgame Aisu.
trim blaze
that would mean 400 incantation scaling with faith alone...
trim blaze
it was patched near the release
trim blaze
to only scale off faith incantation scaling
thorn warren
So basically
What you are saying
Is that all the nice spells I like
Are worthless with the best incant thing
trim blaze
only healing incantations scales of faith alone
thorn warren
Because nothing ACTUALLY SCALES FROM INT
thorn warren
only healing incantations scales of faith alone
And damage buffs
thorn warren
Weapon buffs*
trim blaze
they also scales of faith only?
trim blaze
well.... not like they were only good near the begining of the game
thorn warren
Blood flame blade is .45
Aisu my issue is that in 3, late game was all about faith int mixing.
This game it’s just fairy or just int
So it annoys me.
trim blaze
at the very least your damage spells scale of the full thing
thorn warren
Oh joy. My damage spells.
trim blaze
lightning spear my beloved
thorn warren
You wanna know how much scaling I lose from going from Order to Erdtree?
It’s like 10 scaling.
Basically nothing:
trim blaze
and healing get all of it with this one
trim blaze
damage wise your losing some but your healing should be better
thorn warren
But all that scaling is now faith instead of split.
Which makes my actual damage sources significantly better.
trim blaze
your using enchantment as your main source of damage?
trim blaze
bruiser stabber with enchantment
thorn warren
Essentially
trim blaze
well now you have all you have invested in Int worth of other stat