depends on the mod
#archived-modded-support
vital spade
vital spade
Okay so paste this into the content.json file { "Format": "1.11.0", "Changes": [ { "Action": "Load", "Target": "Characters/Sam", "FromFile": "assets/SamSprites.png" } ] }
rose python
So I downloaded on nexus the manual one, not vortex, do i just go to assets and delete the portait?
vital spade
it should only change the sprite then
rose python
Hmm, I must've did something wrong because the sprite didn't change.
vital spade
Okay try pasting this into the content.json instead { "Format": "1.15.0", "Changes": [ { "Action": "EditImage", "Target": "Characters/Sam", "FromFile": "assets/SamSprites.png" } ] }
rose python
Still didn't change anything. Note that upon opening the game through smapi as usual, there it says in red font : "cannot add this mod (asset) because it's empty" but it isn't?
I want to first remove the mod and see if it still shows up in red
I messed up somewhere because it's not because of that mod. I have to look through each folder.
native dragonBOT
Can you upload your SMAPI log to https://smapi.io/log (see instructions on that page) and share the link here?
vital spade
hmm looks like you deleted some stuff ๐
are you sure the sprite png files are in the assets folder?
rose python
๐ฎ I did?!
For skater sam mod I didn't delete any files in the assets folder, I left it as is and only edited the content file like you told me to by pasting the code above.
And the only thing I removed should be the chicken/cow to replace the skins (adoptskin)
I do not think I removed anything else
vital spade
I can't see the mod in the log, are you sure the mod is in your mod folder?
rose python
I had to uninstall it to see if maybe it was the thing that was causing the red error.
Then I realized it wasn't.
vital spade
okay then the log doesn't help me much ๐ Try installing it again and send the log
vital spade
no problem ๐
vital spade
and it doesn't change the sprite? 
rose python
So what I do is: Go into Vortex Mods folder, then to stardew valley, go into the skater sam mod foler, open that content file (notepad) and copy that above code you posted and replace everything in that file, right?
vital spade
yes
vital spade
uhm not sure lol, let me try and send you something
rose python
Alright!
cursive wharf
So I'm having a little look at This Mod https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/828?tab=description as well as the CP version, and both appear to have reports of crashes and things not working. Is there anyone here who can confirm or deny this, and if confirmed, suggest a good alternative?
woeful quiver
@cursive wharf if you are looking for alternatives, I use this mod without any trouble. Can't speak to the one you linked to though https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/1356
broken frost
I forget, did an update make it so the Auto-Grabbers can automatically collect milk from cows and goats, or is there a mod to make Auto-Grabbers do that?
fair vessel
Autograbbers have always worked for cows and goats!
It's coops they didn't used to work in... and yes the v1.4 update changed it so they grab coop animal products off the floor too
If it's the Deluxe autograbber mod I'm thinking of, it also adds functionality in the Slime Hutch, plus options to collect forageables and harvest crops outdoors.
sinful sigil
Yeah, that's why I deleted my post ๐ I realized afterwards that it had other purposes that I just haven't been using and it's still useful.
daring wagon
I've been wondering about slime hutch functionality-my slime stuff just stays on the floor...
slow rampart
Well this is lowkey frightening to look at
I tried using the wiki but it is really confusing cuz I guess my laptop doesn't have a similiar format so I am struggling to find what I need to be able to mod. I downloaded the mod thing that I can't remember the name of but I don't really know how to use it or where to put the mods
fair vessel
Was it smapi?
fair vessel
Yeah! Okay. Yup that is the first and most important thing. So you downloaded the smapi folder from somewhere like Nexusmods or https://smapi.io, right?
fair vessel
So once it's downloaded, you'll see that it is a zip (compressed) folder. You'll need to unzip (a.k.a. extract) the folder to do the next step. Were you able to do that?
heavy sail
@restive zodiac Not to sound impatient, but have you found any clues about why the spouse area disappears yet?
charred cliff
So, I unzipped in ...\Mods... went to steam and opened Stardew...Mods.api and opened chat and typed debug weapon 53 and nothing happened
@fair vessel
fair vessel
Ah, not chat
charred cliff
in console?
fair vessel
It needs to be typed right in the console, yeah
fair vessel
@slow rampart by in your Steam thing do you mean you got the startup options in steam set? That's good 
charred cliff
slow rampart
Yeah like I copy and pasted the thing in the Launch thing and I am sorry I am saying thing a lot I am just not tech savy with my words qq
But like when I open it it opens both Stardew and SMAPI 3.6.1
And it says it is running with 2 mods but I have never added mods
fair vessel
Oh wait
By saying you unzipped in mods, which one did you unzip there?
Because smapi won't work if you unzip it there. For smapi you need to unzip it to somewhere else (like Desktop) and then run the installer inside the unzipped folder.
(But for every other mod after getting smapi set up, yes you would unzip it to /Mods)
And it says it is running with 2 mods but I have never added mods
@slow rampart this part is a good sign actually! Smapi comes bundled with 2 mods.
slow rampart
Oh cool!
fair vessel
Console Commands and Save Backup. They're useful tools, you might not ever need them (but you'll be glad if you ever do)
fair vessel
Find some you like e.g on Nexus yeah - you'll need to create an account to download any (but no need for a premium account, even though they shove "get premium!!!" stuff in your face lol)
grave schooner
Hey dumb question but can you mod a switch?
slow rampart
I made an account lol and I tried downloading one but that is where I got confused
fair vessel
Ok, which one was it?
grave schooner
I want to use a texture pack for stardew but I dont think I can
fair vessel
Yeah, nope on switch sorry :(
slow rampart
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/366 Lol it was this one but this is just one of many I wanted to try
Idk how many I can add on so if it is limited I have some others in mind but I figured this would be a simple enough expansion to the base game
fair vessel
(or if you can, it would be a very complex process involving a jailbroken switch and you would be stuck using really outdated mod formats only)
@slow rampart oh! That particular mod is outdated, but it has a really great replacement! Search for the Looking for Love mod
daring wagon
A good rule of thumb is to check the date for the last update and see if it's past November 2019. That way you can be pretty sure it works with the current version of Stardew ๐
fair vessel
The original (the outdated one) is a type of mod called an XNB mod. This type of mod doesn't work with SMAPI and is meant to completely replace certain actual game files instead. Try to avoid xnb mods... most of the ones out there have conversions or replacements that work with SMAPI + Content Patcher.
daring wagon
You can often find replacements if you check the comments for the mod you want if it's old!
slow rampart
Thank you guys
restive zodiac
@heavy sail Hi, I've been out for some time. Sorry for any confusion - I had said I could help with a tilesheet reordering issue (map edit) if that ended up being the issue, but you'd tested with your only Farm map edit/replacement and it wasn't the issue, leaving it a mystery rather than a tilesheet ordering issue. I have not investigated anything since.
I suggest loading up the save and typing patch export Maps/spring_outdoorsTileSheet into the SMAPI console and then checking the Stardew Valley\patch_export folder for the exported file to rule out CP edits to the tilesheet.
If that comes back fine (you can drag it here onto Discord for second opinion if needed!), I would search your Mods folder for spring_outdoors and note any mod folder that's not specifically editing those tilesheets (like a map mod that requires those sheets and just happens to include them) and either temporarily disable that mod or remove those spring/summer/fall/winter_outdoorsTileSheet.pngs to see if it still happens then.
fair vessel
@heavy sail is it possible at all that you might have an old version of the original tilesheet itself?
!reset
did you try this yet?
native dragonBOT
See https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Player_Guide/Troubleshooting#Reset_your_content_files for instructions on resetting your game files! You may also want to check this list of XNB > Content Patcher conversions (https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Using_XNB_mods#Alternatives_using_Content_Patcher) to see if there are already replacements for any XNB mods you may have been using :)
restive zodiac
Always a good thing to try to get rid of any lurking XNB overwrites.
heavy sail
@fair vessel I have tried that.
@restive zodiac I still have SMAPI open, so I'll do the patch export now.
Here's the file it made.
fair vessel
The motorcycle is there. Strange.
restive zodiac
Any mod folders come up in a search for that tilesheet? That's the only other thing I can think of (a map mod including the tilesheet which gets used locally). A TMXL folder would be most likely in that case.
fair vessel
Could it possibly be one of your NPC mods that adds a spouse room? Could one of those somehow be removing the stuff that usually gets placed in the outdoor spouse area?
heavy sail
I deleted all the spouse room files for the custom NPCs I dont use to fix another issue from a while back.
restive zodiac
Spouse rooms are just map merges into the farmhouse, anyway. It's totally possible for a mod that does a spouse room to also fuck up the patio, but I wouldn't expect the spouse room itself to have any relation to it
heavy sail
Should I list my TMXL mods, if that helps?
restive zodiac
Did you already search the Mods folder for spring_outdoors ? I'm just asking about map mods that include those tilesheets beside the map.
heavy sail
Oh, hold on, i'll search for it.
The mods that use this are:
A Less Yellow Stardew
Stardew Foliage redone - foliage only
Elle's Seasonal Buildings
Sauvignon In Stardew unofficial update
vocal holly
I tried using the stardewvalley anime mods but it said i needed other mods to run it but i don't know what i'm missing
restive zodiac
@heavy sail Do you have the winery built?
heavy sail
yes
restive zodiac
Even though that mod should not be including it, its version is also up to date (which would be weird if not given how long ago spouse patios were added)
Is your save on a day where Seb is on the spouse patio when you walk outside?
Oh checks another thing
heavy sail
Uh, I might have to skip a day, I'm at 7:00 PM right now.
restive zodiac
Ah! I have a thing for you to test.
If I can get this thing to open.
Oh, I lied. Those assets didn't work how I thought they did. If you zip the folder for that save and your Mods folder and upload/link here, I will try hunting down.
heavy sail
I have way too many mods, it might take a while to zip it up.
The estimated time is 30 mins 
restive zodiac
If it comes in under 100mb you can still drag it here to upload it, otherwise you'll need to link it from google drive or dropbox or something like that :\ The only other suggestion I have is to just try the "rename mods folder, test. Motorcycle back? Pick a framework, put it and all its content packs in new Mods folder, retest. Motorcycle still there? Add another framework and its packs. Motorcycle GONE? Remove half those content packs" kind of test. It's a bit more awkward than just "half half half half" back and forth, but you have so many mods that rely on other mods that it's a bit of a tangle ๐
Oof yeah, that's a long time for a zip file!
heavy sail
310 MB and counting...
restive zodiac
That will already take my crappy internet awhile to download :D
heavy sail
Yeah I got like 17 mods for Garden Village, that would be hard.
dire fractal
Is a particularly large amount of the content being archived text or something else that compresses well? If it's already compressed binary data and there's not much space to be saved, 7zip could probably just bundle it into a .tar archive for you pretty quick.
dire fractal
That's not even 15 minutes! 
heavy sail
On an unrelated note: Is Enhanced Player Sprites compatible with Json Assets shirts? When my farmer walks forward, the shoulders drop down to the stomach, which is kinda weird.
1 minute left...
dire fractal
Your computer has a very loose or compressed definition of time.
heavy sail
Done! I'm gonna upload it to Google Drive.
@dire fractal Yeah, you're right.
restive zodiac
(obligatory xkcd https://xkcd.com/612/ )
dire fractal
Is this all troubleshooting the invisible motorcycle thing from this morning?
heavy sail
Oh great, it's gonna take even longer for it to upload...
slow rampart
Ok so @fair vessel I tried downloading it and it is just like your download has started if there are any problems click here for manual download and nothing is popping up, no even if I hit manual download like what is up qq
heavy sail
I'm gonna grab a drink, be right back.
restive zodiac
Yeah. These things have been checked...
- base game files (reset)
- tilesheet edits via CP (patch export)
- map mods including possible outdated sheet (directory search)
- farm replacements/edits that have tilesheets out of order (pethouse mod)
and at this point it's kind of just "try this" "try that" "have you ever..." and it's just at the point where I would turn everything off and make sure it works, then add stuff back until it breaks.
dire fractal
@slow rampart that for downloading a file from nexus? Any warning about popups or something similar being blocked?
heavy sail
slow rampart
Yes for Nexus, no for popups
fair vessel
Hmm. What browser are you using?
slow rampart
Chrome
fair vessel
Hm. And nothing new showing in your Downloads folder? ๐ค this is strange indeed
dire fractal
Try another browser? If nothing else that'll determine if it's an issue with chrome.
restive zodiac
(watches kbs roll by 
)
slow rampart
Yeah I am trying to sif through my files but my computer is choc full of college-related slides qq
fair vessel
Could a paranoid antivirus be the issue? ๐ค
slow rampart
I have no idea
Literally nothing happens when I go to download
Other than the countdown
And then this
Sorry if you are unfamilar with the screenshot website
But also like when I go to download these things they are like make sure u have these downloaded and I am like okay I'll go try and then they won't download either qq
fair vessel
The "make sure you have these" is just a reminder. It always shows that even if you have them.
slow rampart
I can't download them anyhow
Cuz the same thing pops up
Except I know I have the SMPai thing
Idk what it is my heart that is just how it sounds in my head qq
fair vessel
I have no idea if this will even work for a nexus account besides mine... but does clicking this link directly do anything different? https://cf-files.nexusmods.com/cdn/1303/3054/Looking For Love-3054-2-0-1593832173.zip?md5=P2APo9cX6TKI8V9HcFlUog&expires=1596173661
dire fractal
as a point of reference that works for me
tepid hawk
it definitely does for me as well.
fair vessel
That's good to know!
slow rampart
That worked
Idk what to do from there tho qq
I have never modded like this before
fair vessel
Sweet! So it sounds like it's a browser thing maybe. Nexus mods requires info to be added to the download link... maybe if you don't have cookies allowed or something it could prevent the link from parsing correctly.
slow rampart
Well I am also a console player that just got Stardew on my laptop to play with my friends when I run off to college but I'm in like Year 3 of my game and bored so I wanted to try mods
Weird
It let me download the old outdated mod but not that one
fair vessel
Question, the link in "click here to download manually" ... can you right click, copy link address, and paste it here?
slow rampart
nxm://stardewvalley/mods/1915/files/29447?key=WSwzxnJcbQoGP_tlbN02Cg&expires=1596331448&user_id=95296948
Ohmy
Its not even clickable
Could it be a broken link?
fair vessel
the original outdated one only has one file on the mod page... the one where you had trouble has multiple files. Maybe that's the difference
dire fractal
Did you click mod manager download by mistake possibly? I don't know for certain but nxm:// seems like a nexus protocol.
fair vessel
Huh. Yeah I don't know what's doing on in the background of that...
dire fractal
(assuming we're going for manual downloads)
fair vessel
oh! Yeah the link you have there is for a mod manager download.
fair vessel
It will try to open Vortex mod manager. If you don't have it installed on your computer, it probably does nothing
fair vessel
awwwe hey it's okay
slow rampart
Lol tysm for your help and patience
fair vessel
We all have our moments lol, and you're new to this it is totally excused
(Nexus is NOT the most user-friendly website design)
slow rampart
It is a little crazy
fair vessel
cough dark design patterns cough
dire fractal
Plus it's way better for it to turn out to be something simple to fix.
fair vessel
Yes, hooray that it's not something unfixable with your computer or browser!! ๐
fair vessel
I was once writing a mod and wasted an ENTIRE afternoon debugging all because I accidentally wrote StringsFromCSLocations and not StringsFromCSFiles
fair vessel
Ok, so the folder that holds those three?
slow rampart
Yeah
fair vessel
Move that whole folder into Mods/
fair vessel
Copy paste
slow rampart
/
fair vessel
Ohhh uh
If you run smapi, the second thing it prints is how to find your mods folder
dire fractal
Is this a steam-installed copy of stardew?
dire fractal
If you right-click stardew valley in your games list, then click properties, you can go to the local files tab and then click browse local files
and I was too late! lol
fair vessel
Yay! Perfect!
fair vessel
Now just do the same with whatever other mods you need
slow rampart
Oh my goodness you guys are the best I can't even
Thank you sooso much
Im gonna sound like a broken record but I was so distraught cuz I didn't know how to do this
fair vessel
The other useful thing you will learn,
SMAPI is very helpful with solving mod errors, or if you have mods that refuse to load.
It creates a log file every time you run the game with smapi.
So anytime you have problems, you can go to the website https://smapi.io/log, upload your log file there (it explains on the site how to find it) and it will make your log all organized and pretty with a sharable link.
Then you can just post the link here and ask for help!
slow rampart
OMg that is amazing!
fair vessel
Totally! Especially for the people who are providing mod support! It makes logs way easier to read ๐
tepid hawk
Stardew Valley Expanded works with Multiplayer, right?
dire fractal
Yes, with some caveats.
sinful sigil
The modding support community in stardew is unmatched imo. Everyone here is so kind and helpful
fair vessel
Yes it does, EXCEPT the usual culprits for custom NPCs and farmhands
dire fractal
tepid hawk
Thank you!
fair vessel
- farmhands can't see custom NPCs in festivals
- farmhands can't marry custom NPCs (it will crash game)
- (I've also noticed that farmhands don't get friendship points just for talking to custom NPCs... but I haven't seen that one confirmed anywhere yet.)
tepid hawk
i think that should be fine so long as the farmhand can see the NPCs in the regular game. I will however warn my farmhand (who is 8) that she can't marry any of them.
I'm also going to make sure she has all the same mods as me so that will hopefully cut down on any possible issues. fingers crossed
restive zodiac
Sebastian please go outside 
heavy sail
He usually goes out on mondays (also instead of wasd my keyboard uses waxd) don't ask-
if you're testing my save
restive zodiac
Yeah I noticed and reset controls, it freaked me out for a moment ๐
heavy sail
he's under the nonexistent motorcycle on saturdays
restive zodiac
A baby rabbit hopped across Exnotic'smy yard :emotions:
heavy sail
Now I've adapted to WAXD because my S key wasn't working for a while, so I changed it. (It's obviously working now)
dire fractal
That sentence hurt me a tiny tiny bit
heavy sail
Yeah, me too. Whenever I start a new save I always hit the wrong button.
Because of WAXD.
Welp, my computer did a die (I really need to get that battery fixed), so for now I'm on my phone.
supple echo
every time I start a new save I have to reset the controls for my Dvorak keyboard
WASD doesn't work so well for movement when those four letters are not next to each other ๐
heavy sail
I felt that. Especially since I also have a Japanese keyboard.
fair vessel
Ooooh an awesome new mod just got posted!
I remember the author's original post asking if something like this existed yet:
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/6564
@royal arrow I suspect you'll like this one
normal brook
hey! is there someone here who can help me with SMAPI? :/ I just downloaded it and must have done something wrong.
fair vessel
For sure! Describe what you mean by gone wrong
normal brook
I tried to launch the game and it gave me this very long error:
SMAPI failed to initialize: System.TypeInitializationException: The type initializer for 'StardewModdingAPI.Constants' threw an exception. ---> System.MissingFieldException: Field not found: 'StardewValley.Game1.version'.
at StardewModdingAPI.Constants..cctor()
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at StardewModdingAPI.Constants.get_GameVersion() in C:\source_Stardew\SMAPI\src\SMAPI\Constants.cs:line 106
at StardewModdingAPI.Program.AssertGameVersion() in C:\source_Stardew\SMAPI\src\SMAPI\Program.cs:line 95
at StardewModdingAPI.Program.Main(String[] args) in C:\source_Stardew\SMAPI\src\SMAPI\Program.cs:line 41
Game has ended. Press any key to exit.
And it won't launch.
fair vessel
Huh.
Ok, question for when you downloaded the smapi folder in the first place - where did you unzip it on your computer?
(it works if you put it most places like Desktop, but if you unzipped it to the game folder the installation won't work right)
restive zodiac
(I would be interested in knowing the current game version - can check with the ? box in the load screen of vanilla game - and the version of SMAPI being installed.)
fair vessel
Ok lol, try the install process again but unzip to Desktop this time!
(no need to uninstall first or anything)
normal brook
Actually, wait. I'm a little confused. I initially unzipped it in my downloads folder, and then when I got the prompt, I typed in the path for the game folder. And then it installed into the game folder. Is that what it was supposed to do?
So now my game folder looks like this.
heavy sail
@restive zodiac Just got back online after restarting my computer, how's the process going?
fair vessel
@normal brook Yeah that's right! You have to run the installer from outside the game folder, but when successful it does put things in there.
try running it again now
royal arrow
@fair vessel thank youuuu yes I will~ it's streamlining and process improvement, my favorite topics for work and personal life LOL
normal brook
It's working! Thank you!! <3 You all are so nice.
sinful sigil
Is there a mod that lets me customize my characters health bar? For role playing purposes the character im playing needs to have low overall health.
vital spade
@sinful sigil maybe this? https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/5275
fair vessel
@sinful sigil you can use save editing to change yours
sinful sigil
@vital spade
That looks perfect to me! ๐
@fair vessel
Oh! Iโll have to look into save editing but hopefully shouldnโt be too hard.
Thank you ๐
dire fractal
@sinful sigil these won't solve the starting values but in case they also tie in with your plans -
Build Health
Build Stamina
fair vessel
Not hard at all! Just open your save file in any text editor and look for this
<health>120</health><maxHealth>120</maxHealth>
(maxHealth is the important one, but you'll probably want to change both so that the current isn't weirdly above the max)
Guide on locating your savefiles is here https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Saves
sinful sigil
Ooh I never would have looked at those mods but theyโre super cool thank you Mana!
Thank you Jonqora, Iโm definitely gonna do that since itโs the easiest way to get what I want done.
night obsidian
Is Moddrop the best way to use mods still?
vital spade
Nexus is also very popular
night obsidian
Or is it better to do manual installation of mods?
fair vessel
Everyone has their own opinion. Mod managers make some things simpler, but when things get complicated they can also require a lot more fuss to sort out
I use a combination of Vortex Mod Manager and manual install. Vortex for things I want to use long-term and switch on and off for different save games, manual install for all sorts of things mostly for testing.
And if you want to do mod profiles without a manager, you still can.
night obsidian
How do you do profiles without a Manager?
restive zodiac
crawls out from under pile of mods okokokok, I think there's a problem with the PyTK's tilesheet normalizing which I definitely had nothing to do with
fair vessel
The low-tech way is just make several mod folders. E.g.
Mods-solo
Mods-multiplayer
Mods-joja
And then you can just rename the folder you want to Mods before starting the game, it will use those ones.
The high-tech way is this
!modgroups
native dragonBOT
See this link for how to load different mod groups: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Player_Guide/Getting_Started#Can_I_have_different_mod_groups.3F.
restive zodiac
@heavy sail Try this version of Buildable Tent
heavy sail
I'll just need to know how to fix it myself, my computer's WiFi gets wonky around this time, I really don't know why, it just gets extremely slow.
(right now I'm on my phone)
restive zodiac
@heavy sail In the Buildable Tent mod folder, there are 2 tmx files, the desaturated one and the vanilla one. Right click each .tmx file and open it in a text editor (notepad is fine if that's all you have). There will be a line defining the tileset like this <tileset firstgid="1" name="tentatdsv" tilewidth="16" tileheight="16" tilecount="20" columns="4">
Change the name="tentatdsv" in that example to name="ztentatdsv" (yes it was a tilesheet ordering issue after all, but I thought PyTK should be normalizing new tilesheets and prefixing them automatically ๐ )
heavy sail
I'll try that and get back to you.
dire fractal
Is the z prefix to just adjust the lexical ordering then? Do the tilesets just load the first one in order and the rest get ignored? (or am I reading that backwards and the goal is to have it happen last as the final 'overlay'?)
sinful sigil
wait is vortex a mod manager? i've been just drag-dropping things in and out of my mod folder every time i want to like...change something
i honestly just thought it was a mod download client ๐ณ
thorn vault
I believe so
restive zodiac
Most of the things the game does a quick tile swap on are based on the order of the tilesheets, not just the spouse area tiles but like... the cellar stairs, fixing the beach bridge are the other common ones that come to mind. All the z prefix does is make your added tilesheets not screw up the original order of the vanilla tilesheets, yeah.
fair vessel
Yeah. You can make profiles and enable/disable mods per profile
sinful sigil
That is literally the exact thing I need in my life right now
fair vessel
(Behind the scenes, Vortex pulls entire folders out of Mods and hides them somewhere else, then shuttles them back in when needed)
restive zodiac
(So it doesn't actually have to be a z, and a lot of times it won't have any visible effect when people forget, but it's a good habit.)
dire fractal
Ah, ok, so it's not adjusting the ordering it's more avoiding namespace collisions?
restive zodiac
dire fractal
huh.
fair vessel
It can be finicky though to get Vortex to pull out a config file with the rest of a mod (since the config isn't there when first installed)... this leads to almost-empty folders that smapi complains about on load, but you can ignore the messages
sinful sigil
Good toknow
restive zodiac
The tilesheets are referenced in alphabetical order, so normally a farm map for example has paths and untitled tilesheet. If someone replaces the map but adds spring_town and mycooltilesheet, the order will now be paths, mycool, spring, and untitled will be last, making the spouse areas screwed up (because untitled is no longer the 2nd tilesheet).
fair vessel
Similar issue for any mods that require additional folders or files dropped in (Portraiture, Adopt N Skin, SVE with custom greenhouse, etc.)
It's still possible to get Vortex to recognize it all, but it's not a nice straightforward thing in the UI
restive zodiac
Did the config/leftover file stuff not get fixed in a recent update? I thought that was something they'd tried to get. (Not that it can't be finicky in general, just curious.)
fair vessel
Ohh I dunno, how recent?
sinful sigil
I think I'll try out that separate folders thing first just because that sounds less scary haha ;;
restive zodiac
Hmm... a couple months max I guess I don't use it personally, I just remembered it being a WIP and I thought released but could be wrong.
dire fractal
ah, so you could in theory adjust to:
01_spring_town
02_paths
03_untitled tilesheet
04_mycooltilesheet
if you wanted to super explicitly enforce order?
restive zodiac
That's still the wrong order
It just needs to preserver paths > untitled > everything else
ie "leave all the vanilla tilesheets of the map you are editing in the same order and with the same names to avoid problems with any assumptions the game or other mods might make about them"
dire fractal
Ah, I follow
fair vessel
Oooh is that the Vortex update from just a couple days ago? I haven't tried that out then! ๐ฎ
restive zodiac
Maybe searches post to check for evidence of hallucination
I wasn't hallucinating, it was from april!
https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14208 under Stardew Valley enhancements
Also apparently you could install SMAPI like a mod in that version and later, so I gave some bad advice cough
I just assumed that however Vortex installed SMAPI, it would be "not like a mod", maybe comparable to ModDrop's method or something ๐
fair vessel
I still continue to see people have trouble with Vortex + SMAPI
restive zodiac
Yeah, it's really a headache to deal with the manager layer
fair vessel
So since it's only a one time thing with each smapi update, I generally direct people to follow the independant install process for smapi
daring wagon
so... if I wanted to edit the way a custom NPC's house entrance loaded in town so I could actually visit instead of running forever with no warps, where would I find that exactly?
restive zodiac
Maybe if I were more familiar with them, but it's weird enough to me that I have trouble telling the difference between problem with management and problem with user using manager and it's easiest to be like "okokok, let's try it manually and rule all this part out" and by then they have switched ๐
instead of running forever with no warps what does this mean?
daring wagon
I can run off the edge of the map for a while, but do not warp to the custom location
dire fractal
ty for the info mouse
royal arrow
I also run into this problem (hehe), halla, from time to time.
Most often it's when trying to leave Herbert's custom map for his house, I get stuck running along the edge of the map where I can't see my farmer, and then I use CJB Cheats Menu to warp somewhere lol
For me it's the part of Herbert's custom map that meets with the town map, next to the museum o.o
restive zodiac
So just to make sure I understand, a custom NPC's house breaks your town map so no exits work? Or is it the house that won't let you leave? (Or enter?)
daring wagon
I'm not sure which NPC's house this is, I just downloaded all the ones I could find in English today to test them since Lenne showed me how to make a really easy test save XD
I think it's Lyell?
restive zodiac
Lyell's is a path in the upper forest
daring wagon
I just can't enter this area, hasn't broken anything else that I'm aware of. I also have East Scarpe and SVE. It was happening with ES, and Lemur fixed it
I meant Nikolai! Sorry
shy orbit
looks like nikolai
daring wagon
But I'd love to know if there's something I can try to just fix it myself. I can rename files...
restive zodiac
If you open Nikolai's TMX pack's content.json, does it have a loadLate field in it? (My internet is really crap so it will take me awhile to download latest Nexus version.)
daring wagon
Nope
restive zodiac
And could you upload your log https://smapi.io/log ?
daring wagon
Sure!
restive zodiac
Hmm, it might break something but try adding ...
daring wagon
I.... have smapi for developers on. If your internet is slow, I should probably run the day again.
restive zodiac
{
"loadLate": true,
"addMaps": [ ``` where `addMaps` is just whatever the normal first field is, so that `loadLate` is its own thing and not a patch, if that makes sensefor that log
restive zodiac
It's okay, dev mode just enables trace in the console and doesn't actually add more info in the log ๐
(I always have that on, too)
daring wagon
XD thanks, good to know
restive zodiac
The loadLate suggestion could have no effect or it might break some parts of the mod (or there's a small chance it might be fixed, hurray!) - the very specific problem it would fix is if, say, a CP mod is overwriting the warps property. It's probably not what is happening, or else something else in town would probably be breaking (unless they are all loading late I suppose!), but it's an easy thing to try.
starts to worry that we haven't seen Exnotic in awhile...
daring wagon
royal arrow
They might be having fun like 
or having the opposite of fun like 
outer turret
SVE broke the warps is my guess
restive zodiac
haha, yeah. I was imagining a scenario like "this name change has set my house on fire"
shy orbit
nikolai's warps work with sve for me at least
outer turret
do you rearrange your files Halla?
daring wagon
I do, I started about a week ago when I broke your warp. All my TMX files are in the same folder, except for Nikolai's because I downloaded him today and decided to try it this way first.
Can definitely rearrange back and see if that fixes it too.
restive zodiac
The alphabetical folder loading can screw up the festival spots thing, but I wouldn't expect it to break specific warps. All the TMX merges will get loaded early unless it uses loadLate, after all, and conditional ones are checked on map entry.
outer turret
SVE loads a Town map with warps on it.
daring wagon
worked! Thanks, all of you!!
royal arrow
๐ I'll make a note of this for when I'm able to test again
daring wagon
now making sure nothing I just did rebroke any other warps...
restive zodiac
Keep an eye out for any new weirdness or errors in case of unexpected side effects, there could potentially be things that might actually need to be before the CP pack and would need to be split off
Yeah ๐
outer turret
I had a similar issue with BusStop and three mods last week.
daring wagon
I am a horrible person and cannot remember if this is new. This is the East Scarpe path and a little path south of it... does that lead somewhere?
royal arrow
@royal arrow note to self, look at 
's messages right around here
daring wagon
I was almost inspired to try Catfe out of all those posts last week
restive zodiac
Fortunately Herbert is installed ๐
outer turret
phew
daring wagon
I do have Herbert! That warp wasn't working either. I'll try loadlate on that too tomorrow, was totally going to stay up all night not realizing it but the husband and the cat are about done with this computer light lol
outer turret
Lilla will break warps too. But you haven't got her installed (she's not translated yet I don't think)
restive zodiac
Has anyone tried running ModDrop with Wine lately?
daring wagon
I do not have any of the completely untranslated ones in yet, no. next week...
restive zodiac
I know kdau used Vortex with it for some time (you know how it goes, where everything worked fine until it was not fucking fine ๐ฅ :D ) but haven't seen anyone mention ModDrop. And in case you are wondering why I am asking if someone else has done it instead of helpfully sharing my experience about it by just trying it, it's because I hate making more accounts and you need one for the client :P
sinful sigil
I am having issues finding a guide to safely uninstalling Longevity; how bad is it to uninstall it if you have it already on a save?
restive zodiac
When did you install it? The most recent update of it didn't include an XNB portion at least, so there's that. I'd just try temporarily disabling it by adding a .. in front of the mod folder name and see if anything breaks. If not, yay ๐
(it technically only needs one . to disable the mod, but Windows sometimes takes issue with just one)
heavy sail
@restive zodiac Thank you! The issue is fixed!
restive zodiac
puts away the fire extinguishers
night obsidian
I am now deep in the rabbit hole of mods
dire fractal
Is that anything like being deep in the heart of texas ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ?
night obsidian
Not at all
supple echo
I hope not. I don't really wanna be in the heart of 2020 Texas. ๐
catchy song though ๐
restive zodiac
@torn mason Buildable Tent needs its tilesheets renamed in Tiled to z-prefixed. Theoretically PyTK renames new tilesheets to auto-prefix them in map merges, but either that is not quite working right or it didn't help in the case of the vanishing spouse area...
supple echo
OH I KNOW
๐ถ the mods at night are pixel bright ๐๐ป ๐๐ป ๐๐ป ๐๐ป deep in the heaaaaaart of Nexus! ๐ถ
torn mason
Oh lord that's a blast from the past I forgot that mod existed. Thanks mouse I'll trait a look tomoy
tepid hawk
I forgot how to use adopt n skin there for a minute. lol.
I was like 'why is it not finding my animals?!' - because I wasn't actually loaded into my save game. I had only loaded SMAPI with my mods.
fickle haven
can someone how to fix this
sinful sigil
@restive zodiac
I actually have yet to install it, but I'm looking into installing it for one of my playthroughs. I'm just nervous about installing it now and then locking myself out of an important save later should I no longer want it.
outer turret
Bella I'd say thats a tileset layer issue
what mods are you uysing that edit farmhouse
forest field
Dose anyone know the name of the mod that gets rid of kids beds and cribs?
dire fractal
No More Nursery Simplified? https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/2033
forest field
Thank you!!
dire fractal
No idea if it works; haven't gotten far enough this pass yet. XD
forest field
Alright, I'm having a time trying to find a mod that works to expand the farmhouse interior. I just want more rooms to decorate but all the ones I've tried are not having any of my shit lol ๐
outer turret
you can't place stuff on the walls of modified ones I don't think
prime condor
i've started playing sve but i don't seem to have the immersive farm, do i have to install anything else?
sharp belfry
Immersive farm is a separate download
dire fractal
It's an optional download on the SVE nexus files page
sharp belfry
Under optional files
prime condor
oh okay cool
sharp belfry
And you have to choose standard farm for it to take effect since that's what it replaces
prime condor
yeah i chose standard farm 'cause i thought it came predownloaded
molten rivet
I just spent roughly 10 minutes sorting Elle's Seasonal Building
languid citrus
Hey there, so I've been trying to load a save file which crashed after I went to sleep and now I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere. It looks like it tried to load a cutscene and somehow failed? I can't even see my HUD, but I can open my inventory.
Looking at the console, the only error message I see when loading the save file is here. "[Content Patcher] Multiple patches want to load Characters\Morris (Gaveliere's Furry Mod > Load Characters/Morris, Stardew Valley Expanded > Load Characters/Morris). None will be applied."
I've attached my mod list here: https://pastebin.com/y2F66Qhe
shy orbit
!log
native dragonBOT
Can you upload your SMAPI log to https://smapi.io/log (see instructions on that page) and share the link here?
languid citrus
On it.
shy orbit
that morris problem is an incompatibility between the furry mod and SVE. i think they are both trying to load the character sprite sheet
languid citrus
What would you suggest to change?
As far as I know, the furry mod is a resprite of characters while SVE is more of an overhaul, I do not know how to make them not intervene.
Also, here's the log you've requested. ^
shy orbit
i don't know, i'm pretty sure SVE adds sprites to morris that don't exists in native. if the furry mod doesn't have them you'll have to disable it for morris i guess
languid citrus
Alright. I suppose I have to dig through the files to do that?
dire fractal
Says your error log
shy orbit
i see one problem immediately, karmylla's immersive maps isn't compatible with sve
languid citrus
Which one would you recommend to keep?
shy orbit
depends on what you want
about the furry mod i don't know how you would disable it for morris, but likely you can do that in its content.json
or even config.json if it has one
also yeah, the furry mod is trying to load festival map too that conflicts with SVE
languid citrus
Jeez, I don't know which one to choose >.>
Both of the overhauls add a ton of things.
dire fractal
yeah, it can be hard to get things to play nice ๐ฆ
I'm currently hunting through files for bears and deleting them because they keep invading
languid citrus
Bears?
dire fractal
There's a content patcher mod that replaces a handful of statues with dragon statues, including the big wooden bear.
apparently I have more than one normal bear coming in from other content patcher mods, so now that I have the statue it's several bears with a dragon behind them.
languid citrus
I've removed SVE and now my game refuses to launch
dire fractal
Maybe helpful as a checklist and for the reset thing? https://github.com/FlashShifter/StardewValleyExpanded/wiki/Uninstall-Guide
Not sure that'll help with it not launching though
molten rivet
Does anyone have a weather mod? I seen a yt video for it but they didn't link the mod
shy orbit
@languid citrus it has more
tight tusk
if you still have sve items like the sve only fish it adds in your inventory, that might crash your game when you open your save
languid citrus
As you can see in the image, my farm is off the map
Major oversight on my part, considering SVE expands the farm map.
wheat pine
That's because you were prolly using immersive farm
languid citrus
Truth be told, I believe that SVE was what expanded my farm ^^;
tight tusk
yeah if you change your farm map midway through your save, it will place buildings and other existing objects in odd places
molten rivet
What does SVE do if you dont have Immersive farm downloaded out of curiousity
tight tusk
it's still the same mod, the ifr2 is just an optional download if you want to try its custom farm map
@languid citrus if you want to fully remove sve from your save, make sure you don't have any sve-only items in your inventory. sell/trash them first then save the game again then remove the mod
languid citrus
I think I'll remove Karmylla's instead and then replace Gaveliere's mod with a newer one
Damn. Same thing is happening before I started trying to fix things.
Hey there, so I've been trying to load a save file which crashed after I went to sleep and now I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere. It looks like it tried to load a cutscene and somehow failed? I can't even see my HUD, but I can open my inventory.
When loading the file, I see 1 frame of my home, then a black screen and shortly afterwards this.
So I think the save file is bricked?
dire fractal
huzzah all the bears have been murdered
@languid citrus Does karmylla's have special removal instructions or anything maybe?
could try one of the save backups from SMAPI as well, though they might all be similarly affected :/
languid citrus
Probably not? This happened before I started removing mods
dire fractal
orite
quartz cloak
What mods does everyone use? I have a few instslled but looking for ones that dont change the game but make it prettier
royal arrow
Hiya! 
I have an appearance section in my modlist you may want to look at for recommendations
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_qmtiO74ENg99aDL97xhLjVawV5pQLQtmHCidLTnbRc/edit?usp=drivesdk
dire fractal
I like better artisan goods icons
quartz cloak
@royal arrow Thank you darling โค๏ธ
tired apex
Starblue valley is real pretty
dire fractal
26 lightning strikes between 06:00 and 00:00.
sharp belfry
nice
dire fractal
No, horrible! Safe Lightning isn't stopping crop destruction apparently.
Super hacky workaround: automate + CJB enable fast lightning rod processing
Seems to work. Now I can actually go converse with people in town when I haven't hit the point where I can just have infinity lightning rods covering my farm without coming back to a pile of charred, dead things.
cursive wharf
So I'm considering getting https://www.moddrop.com/stardew-valley/mods/580762-a-toned-down-stardew-valley-updated
Does anyone know which settings that would make the exteriors recolored as well? I read the description but it seems 'backwards'
Also does anyone know if there's a way for all players in Multiplayer to have a Horse? Just build more stables?
dire fractal
I haven't used that one but from the description it sounds like you'd set InteriorOnly to false, right?
cursive wharf
Sounds like it, it just seemed a bit backwards, and I wasn't sure about the bushes
dire fractal
One way to check is to open content.json. The top of the file will usually (always?) have those variables defined, and then you could search for one like InteriorOnly further down the file to see what things it controls.
cursive wharf
Ah, sounds good. Also, is there a mod to control which way trees fall? The 'edge trees' on my farm have a habit of falling so I cannot collect their stuff
royal arrow
mana, that's scary about Safe Lightning! Did you get a log? I wonder if there's something the mod author could do
dire fractal
There wasn't anything logged for it aside from the mod loading. Currently have everything but SMAPI ripped out and sitting waiting for lightning to strike to verify whether it's something else in my list.
*everything but SMAPI and safe lightning.
Assuming I still lose crops destroyed I'll add the log link to the existing issue report
royal arrow
Looking at the mod comments, it seems a couple people have had issues with it not working as well
final inlet
is anyone else having issues actually uploading their logs to smapi?
dire fractal
yeah but no one added any real info. figure the least I can do is validate and then upload a log
Currently zuko yelling at the storm
royal arrow
Felix, what issue specifically are you having?
final inlet
the website is freezing when i try to upload my log
royal arrow
Can you check how big the log file is?
final inlet
50,176kb
royal arrow
Yea that might be why lol it's very big
final inlet
the reason its so big is bc i have so many errors that just showed up overnight
i was playing it last night just fine
royal arrow
You can open it up in a text editor (Notepad or Notepad++ work), copy from the beginning until I presume the first error, and then paste that into the site
Usually when this happens, it's the same error repeated
dire fractal
^- is it all the same error repe--- beat me to it
cursive wharf
Is it correct that my wood fences and hardwood fences look the same when using SVE?
final inlet
it looks like all the errors i have are tmxloader related, but last night i tried the updated version of tmxloader and that also broke everything
i went back to the previous one and it worked fine last night, but not anymore
cursive wharf
Also is it safe to simply upgrade TMXL? SMAPI says there's an update, but also warns that it's relevant to saves and may corrupt them
Remebers all the Skyrim Save Corruption
final inlet
i really dont recommend it, that seems to be whats causing all my problems
royal arrow
Felix did you uninstall by deleting the folder and then installing the new folder?
final inlet
yes
cursive wharf
Also Hi Lenne my bae
royal arrow
The message about the saves is outdated. You can technically use TMXL to do sorcery on saves, but most mods don't use that. So it's more of a paranoid message than anything else
cursive wharf
Aight, so just get new version, gotcha!
royal arrow
Felix, we'd need to see even a snippet of your log to be able to help
You can open it up in a text editor (Notepad or Notepad++ work), copy from the beginning until I presume the first error, and then paste that into the site
Did you try this?
final inlet
ill try and upload it to mediafire bc its way too big for discord
and yeah the site is still just freezing
royal arrow
Really, even when you only copy up to the end of the first error? 
wow 
final inlet
i should mention my computer is kind of garbage
im trying to run all this on an acer aspire and im sure thats not helping me any
royal arrow
I'm on my phone now but I wonder, would pastebin accept it? https://pastebin.com/
final inlet
sorry im having such a hard time, i dont know much about coding at all and i also have a really hard time reading huge walls of text like this
royal arrow
It's ok, it took me a while to not panic when I first started trying to dig through the red text
final inlet
and pastebin froze too
sharp belfry
that last part is what the log parser usually helps with... usually.
dire fractal
First error is about custommusic blowing up around line 438? Then from TMXL on line 1809.
the TMXL error(s) are the repeaters
royal arrow
Mana, since you're able to get to it, can you copy-paste from the beginning of the log to even before the first error and try parsing that, so we can see the status of felix's mods?
final inlet
the only one that needs updating is tmxl
dire fractal
@final inlet is your hard drive full or very near full, just as a side question?
final inlet
i know that much
dire fractal
every byte past halfway through line 323,162 is a NULL and that worries me
on it Lenne
dire fractal
great. Just checkin.
@royal arrow @final inlet first ~2800 lines https://smapi.io/log/663f8f28a379428f9f5b73ce5ca2cc58
For various reasons I don't have a sane set of cli tools available atm but eyeballing it I think that last set of messages just repeats until it eventually shoves ~2 MB of NULL bytes at the end
royal arrow
Ok so the TMXL errors are because SVE didn't load, and SVE didn't load because Custom Music threw an exception and didn't load
Try uninstalling and reinstalling Custom Music
If that doesn't work, I wonder if it's an XNA issue and you may need to reinstall the dependencies
final inlet
and now we wait for my game to boot up
please feel free to judge the quality of my laptop based on how long this takes
royal arrow
Lmao it's ok. I have a decent gaming laptop and my game can take up to 5min to load because 311+ mods ๐
dire fractal
I judge it not a reason to judge anything/one
dire fractal
and I just watched a lightning bolt lance down, hit a melon, and... do nothing at all.
royal arrow
Yea give the ๐ฅ some credit, it's trying, but you're testing its limits lol
dire fractal
so it must be some other mod?
final inlet
she hasnt died yet so shes gonna keep suffering
royal arrow
Ya maybe it's a conflict?
dire fractal
or something calling lightning without reading cat's documentation on how to play nice with lightning safety
royal arrow
Do you have climates of ferngill installed?
dire fractal
well I only have like 94 other mods that were active when it broke a crop so I guess I test them one at a time now ORZ
I do not.
I have more rain but that was removed last time a crop got broke because I was accusing it of being at fault.
royal arrow
You can remove them in groups of 4-5, that way it goes a little faster than 1 by 1
final inlet
okay i think its working?
dire fractal
sure, I can quicksort the solution, just being whiny
final inlet
no giant wall of red
dire fractal
\o/
final inlet
which sounds like a success to me
daring wagon
aaaaand herbert's house works. Another one to mouse!
royal arrow
Halla, gimme the deets plez! O: I also have struggles leaving Herbert's house region
final inlet
thanks lenne and mana!
daring wagon
{
"loadLate": true,
"addMaps": [ ``` where `addMaps` is just whatever the normal first field is, so that `loadLate` is its own thing and not a patch, if that makes sense
This is the quote I used
dire fractal
cranks daily luck in this save to 0.995 to force a lightning deluge
pliant delta
is anyone else having issues with json asset mods? (I think it may have to do with the latest content patcher update???) but uh literally every modded item in my game (all JA based) are showing up as "error item", so my game is basically unplayable. (smapi log- https://smapi.io/log/65f2690fa5cd4644a653bc31dd491c32)
daring wagon
No difficulties leaving or entering, wooot!
@pliant delta that looks like two mods tried to add the same asset
I'd try checking through your JA stuff to see which 2 it was, starting with anything you downloaded just recently
royal arrow
Duplicate big craftable: Electric Furnace just added by Industrialization for SDV, already added by [JA] Electric Furnace and Carbon Fiber!
pliant delta
if you mean the bit about the electric furnace, that's... not the problem
at ALL
i have upwards of a dozen JA mods and NONE of them are working
royal arrow
When JA tries to add the same item twice, it fucks up everything it tries to add, excuse my language.
royal arrow
Try temporarily removing one of the furnaces and see if it helps
pliant delta
obviously
royal arrow
If yes, fixed, if not you ruled it out
daring wagon
lol I had a problem that threw that exception because I had two kimchi recipes, so I was hoping that'd be a fix, but if it
dire fractal
Your game was too spicy?
daring wagon
was all working before and you didn't update or download anything new, that might not be it
pliant delta
my game was working FINE with that error until recently, so I don't think that's it
royal arrow
Again, it'd be quick to test to confirm
pliant delta
i'm not wasting more time on testing a solution that won't do anything, thanks
fair vessel
wow
daring wagon
Hmm. It sounds like you are very frustrated. The duplicate object would be the quickest and likeliest thing to test, silvain, but if you want another witch to hunt you can try toggling happy birthday off.
Also please remember that no one in this channel is being paid to help you, we're just players like you that like mods, and being rude is not a great way to get people motivated to help you.
fair vessel
Errors in game can be hard to track down and can often involve a combination of factors. If you're not willing to try suggestions that may help fix it or at least narrow down the problem (so that a solution can more easily be found) it's not very considerate to expect others to spend time trying to help.
slow rampart
Uhm in other news my mods are working and I opened it up on my year 3 world and my horse is a unicorn so I actually love u guys
THERE IS A UNICORN EMOJI omg โค๏ธ
tight tusk
there's a seasonal custom npc mod just released, which is pretty neat
slow rampart
I may be an adult but I love unicorns qq
fair vessel
(And yes, troubleshooting is sometimes frustrating and you end up running around in circles. It can be draining I'll admit)
dire fractal
Who says adults can't love unicorns?!
pliant delta
shockingly, when I come in with a problem and no one listens to what I say about the problem, after several hours of trying to pin down the problem myself... there's not a lot of patience left for being told to remove things that were working just fine fairly recently.
tight tusk
buddy, this isn't customer service
pliant delta
but sure i could try doing something that does... nothing
will report back when it... does nothing
fair vessel
Even if it does nothing, having and posting a log without those errors may provide useful information
pliant delta
(or possibly with overjoyed delight and apologies if it does in fact work)
royal arrow
Emily that is also my favorite horse, I have had it in every save, no other horse will take my heart 
slow rampart
Oh its so lovely if y'all have any more mod suggestions plz lmk
sharp belfry
but what about the black unicorn with a rainbow mane? 
tight tusk
Qute Animals?
dire fractal
I will recommend better artisan goods icons every single time people ask for suggestions.
royal arrow
I have a whole mod list o: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_qmtiO74ENg99aDL97xhLjVawV5pQLQtmHCidLTnbRc/edit?usp=drivesdk
dire fractal
whoa that's very harvest moon-ey
sharp belfry
I have a lot of mods and should probably make a list like @royal arrow someday but that's sooooooo much work 
pliant delta
ok, going through everything, I remember why I hadn't removed the duplicate electric furnace- i can't find the dang thing XD
daring wagon
Yeah that can be a challenge XD
dire fractal
...everything's disabled for debugging so I can't take a picture of slime cows
royal arrow
Oh goodness yes it took several friggin days, because first I listed them all, then added the links, then put them in categories, it was a lot.
But you can use the Mod List Command mod to make it easier! I was just very picky about wanting a table of contents ๐
fast ruin
any one know a mod for buildings in pelican town?
daring wagon
Looking at the industrialization and electric furnace folders from nexus, be a minute
pliant delta
found it!
fast ruin
where you can change the look of the exterior
torn mason
I like Flower Valley as a visual mod that changes the buildings in the town
fast ruin
simular to flower vally?
but i have another cisual mod intalled for the grass/enviroment?
dire fractal
aha, found the o.g. slime animals post https://community.playstarbound.com/threads/slime-animals-last-update-09-10-2016.110931/
sharp belfry
the thing is that I would also use all the bells and whistles, categories, neat descriptions and such so I would probably take as long as you ๐คฃ @royal arrow
royal arrow
Oh mah word, those slime animals are MUCH cuter than I was expecting! Lol
daring wagon
@fast ruin that looks gorgeous! Have you enabled the doors in the config and are they as cute as they sound?
torn mason
I pretty much just used to slap my log at people as a mod list lol
dire fractal
Right? They're super cute. There's an unofficial content patcher update on the smapi mods compatibility list. It does have a content.json typo for baby goats you need to fix though.
royal arrow
Jani I expect yours would take longer, if your nickname is legit and you have 752 mods ๐
sharp belfry
yeah, it's legit ๐
slow rampart
I can have that many mods ๐ ?
sharp belfry
hang on I may have more now
dire fractal
Why set a low bar, Emily. Keep adding until you can tell Jani their modlist is tiny and weak. ๐ฎ
torn mason
my group have 700+ mod and it's a multiplayer game that's (mostly) stable. so yeah, you can have a lot of mods
slow rampart
Also I got bad news for my Abby and our two children
Seeing how there are more single people in down qq
town*
sharp belfry
I just add whatever new mod comes out and catches my attention at this point.
royal arrow
Chroni, log plez! I am curious o:
pliant delta
...oh my god. how did you even find that many mods XD I have about 110 or so and feel like I have too many when things go wrong
torn mason
pfff I'll have to run it for a log at some point then, my log atm is from my testing folder
torn mason
i think there's some logs in the multiplayer chat but those were from when
shit broke
pliant delta
...ok so i am very very very sorry i was such a pain about trying to remove the extra furnace
and also it works it works omg thank you, i'm very confused but happy
torn mason
https://smapi.io/log/30a38ad057cd4e09b3dcc842091ca86d
grabs one of the "things weren't working" logs
night obsidian
I only have 18 mods right now
daring wagon
no worries. fixing things is really frustrating sometimes! we only know cause we had the same problem a few days/weeks/months ago lol
sharp belfry
oh well, I wanted to post my current log but then noticed Life Cycle updated so I'll be doing that
pliant delta
it was fine before and i don't know why suddenly two versions of a furnace was a problem when it wasn't a few months ago but !!! it works!
daring wagon
catGifts? That's a mod? XD sweet
night obsidian
Obviosly basic stuff to play Immersive Farm 2 Remastered.
And a few QOL things like NPCs on map, Automate, and Xp Bars.
Also a few of those extra Trees, Fruits, and Veggies.
pliant delta
catgifts is adorable and exactly as uncomfortable as it sounds sometimes.
night obsidian
Keeps me pleanty happy
๐
sharp belfry
and since I changed all the dialogue of that one so there's Clarice instead of Clint... it's going to take a sec xD
pliant delta
(there was a fish. on my porch. thanks, kitty.)
torn mason
I will say that the monster multiplayer mod loadout is very good for stress testing my mods as well as finding incompatibilities lol
night obsidian
I generally try to just grab a nice handful of what I like and try not to get too addicted to tweaking things.
I am here to enjoy the game
royal arrow
Yea I also take that approach, I have my slim mod testing folder with just frameworks, but I have to throw it into my big load out and see if it still works o.o
night obsidian
Keeping the hand in the "just one more mod" cookie jar can be messy...
torn mason
it's messy until you just dive right into the jar "One more mod...but it doesn't exist...time to make it"
royal arrow
That's a good philosophy, MosesDoses! I wish I had that discipline lol would have maybe saved some Skyrim playthroughs from abandonment due to uncontrollable crashing
torn mason
and then you're stuck in there forever
tight tusk
same moses, i'd rather play than troubleshoot what mod is breaking my game (mostly because i'm impatient)
royal arrow
but troubleshooting is its own reward and fun >_>
dire fractal
the stockholm syndrome is strong with LenneDalben
night obsidian
Yea, I am also playing Oblivion with just like 22 mods.
Really just figuring what mods are important to me and then being done so I can stick with a playthrough without having to scrap it.
I am sure even on that short list there are small things already tweaking out as TES games tend to be buggy anyway.
dire fractal
Such polite phrasing
royal arrow
Ah yes, quite diplomatic
I save every 2min in Bethesda games 
never know when the next crash to desktop is coming
night obsidian
But, after doing 300 hours on PS3 oblivion I at least have to have some QoL mods.
That game had some rough edges in Vanilla.
slow rampart
ONG
dire fractal
Orange Newt Gang!
slow rampart
I thought the animal husbandry would let me extract meat from my animals
No
The animal
Exploded into meat
And he was just sleeping
royal arrow
There's a less hardcore option with a magic wand >_>
torn mason
the lore is that you poofed them into another dimension where aliens exchanged meat for your animal because they love animals but animals cant reproduce over there--
royal arrow
I can't do it because it just feels like a lie
torn mason
( I always go without the cleaver or wand and use the exchange button on the animal menu instead haha )
night obsidian
Skyrim Modding is the big puzzle, so many good mods in so many directions.
I have never finished Vanilla Slyrim, but I think I am okay with that. I think it is time to mod it soon...
torn mason
the wand is a config option
slow rampart
The wand looks like a meat cleaver for our bloodlust clients or whatever
daring wagon
you have to turn on the wand in the config XD
royal arrow
There's no "finishing" Skyrim so no worries there ๐
slow rampart
Oh idk how to do that I'll just never slaughter them again
royal arrow
There's a config.json file in the mod folder o:
You can edit it with any text editor like Notepad or Notepad++
daring wagon
Just don't save your day
Exit out, and edit the config to put softmode true instead of false
daring wagon
lol
slow rampart
I will make it soft mode LOL
night obsidian
Anyway, I will probably get back to exploring Stardew Expanded. Just tried it for the first time Last Night.
daring wagon
I freaked out and went back and did it immediately
fair vessel
confused but happy
@pliant delta lol, this is a familiar emotion I experience often when troubleshooting. I can maybe offer some speculation on what might have changed...
Json Assets includes a system for checking and reassigning item IDs in-game when the JA modpack list changes and items are added/removed. One possibility is if you didn't have any instances of the bugged machine in your save game until recently, it could have suddenly become a problem.
Another possibility is that even if you had one of those machines, it may have worked fine up until you added or removed a different JA pack and it needed to go through and reassign all the IDs... and then Json Assets freaked out because it found two possible ID matches for that machine name and didn't know which one to use.
daring wagon
But then scrapped the mod cause I wanted to grow meat on vines instead and didn't want to sort out the conflicts with that mod
torn mason
fun thing with animal husbandry is also using Breed Like Rabbits so u get an infinite supply of rabbit meat--
sharp belfry
yep
daring wagon
all my meat that i had grown turned into exotic hard liquor cause yeah
slow rampart
B r u h
torn mason
I've always used Fresh Meat for the recipes and stuff but I personally removed the crops XD
shy orbit
ah, there it is, crash to desktop when opening the map, and nothing left on the log or error log generated. so this problem with linux and npc map locations still exist - if it even has anything to do with npc map locations. the map isn't too useful without it, so you rarely use it
daring wagon
@shy orbit there's a known issue with CTD and NPC map locations, you've checked that it isn't that, right?
shy orbit
@daring wagon sophia?
daring wagon
I think it's somewhere in the comments flails around internet
Hope it's not Sophia, I have it and it's worked fine for me with her...
Ah I'm thinking of the mac/linux one, I bet
shy orbit
i meant sophia's cellar, but it's inaccessible anyway currently afaik
so it's a different issue?
slow rampart
They disqualified my dinosaur because I never gave it a treat
shy orbit
do you know when the mono update that fixed it came out approximately?
daring wagon
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/239?tab=posts there's a link in his top comment, assuming that's to the correct version
night obsidian
Modding games is already hacky, generally it seems modding is still eaiser/more stable in general on Windows vs Linux
I would like to go 100 percent Linux, but I managed to somehow break the Wifi drivers on that OS so no more downloading of any thing outside of Windows for now...
I only had it for like 2 hours before I broke it...
shy orbit
okay, that's not it then. but thanks
daring wagon
NP! Sorry it wasn't it, that's frustrating.
shy orbit
nah, just gotta play without. there is the npc location compass, it's better than nothing
torn mason
I would 100% jump to Linux...if it wasn't for the fact Visual Studio doesn't run on Linux. and I can't survive without Visual Studio these days
royal arrow
Does UI Info Suite work for Linux? I think I've heard it's not as accurate compared to NPC Map Locations, but it has a feature for showing NPCs on the map
night obsidian
I kind of lean on Moddrop and Mod Organizer 2 doing their thing as well
I just like QoL stuff so much
royal arrow
I wouldn't be able to either, ever since Chronicler showed me the light ๐ although you probably get far more use out of it than I do ๐
torn mason
visual studio code is cross platform actually
shy orbit
ui info suite does work on linux, but the npc location feature doesn't play very well with SVE
torn mason
VSCode =/= Visual Studio, as confusing as the naming is lol
royal arrow
Oh goodness do you mean VS Community then? I know it's a longer name but it's worth clarifying lol
shy orbit
although i'm not sure if there have been updates to ui info suite since i last tried it
torn mason
Visual Studio is a full on IDE, VSCode is a lightweight text editor that supports a lot of plugins designed for code editing
night obsidian
I will have to reinstall my Linux OS as It will probably be faster than trying to figure out what I broke.
royal arrow
Although, Community might only be 1 version of it, too ๐
torn mason
yeah Visual Studio has community/professional/enterprise
royal arrow
They should have just given VS Code a different name then
night obsidian
I played Stardew a good 650+ hours before ever modding it
torn mason
hahahaha yeah, its really confusing. They're entirely different things, but similar name, and both are geared towards programming
night obsidian
It is refreshing to use all the nice mods now
:)
daring wagon
Ok, who has the NPC Haru in their game?
I'm just very confused about his clothing status....
night obsidian
Well, not "all" the nice mods, but you know what I mean
sharp belfry
ok so I updated everything, here's my current log/modlist https://smapi.io/log/aeaa478be4e14431a5f7d01bf7cea96b
royal arrow
immediately opens it even though I REALLY don't need new mods, but I must seeee lol
fair vessel
749
sharp belfry
yeah
dire fractal
749? You lost a few since half an hour ago. :<
sharp belfry
yeah, 2
royal arrow
Stardew Valley+
sharp belfry
they were throwing red in the console and weren't essential so off they go
night obsidian
I won't look, I won't be tempted... As I think about browsing Nexusmods....
daring wagon
Ah, that Nagito warning
sharp belfry
yeah, that xD
daring wagon
Ooh, you don't have NPC adventures
yet?
goodness, this is just such a good BIG list of mods XD
โค๏ธ
sharp belfry
yeah I don't. idk, I saw it a couple times while scrolling nexus but it didn't quite appeal to me?
might try it out someday
daring wagon
Ahh. Nagito has a few issues with it, so that's why I noticed. I am enjoying it ๐
sharp belfry
with all the custom npcs I have that would be much more than just the one mod to add tho ๐คฃ
daring wagon
I've been wondering about custom chores-I love the idea of that mod, but I use help for hire with it and I have to buy the chores then reload from title every time I open the game to get them to take
Or wait a day, but I'm not about to go petting all whatever of my barn animals and dying to fill my slime trough in the meantime
sharp belfry
yeah, they don't take the first day after save load
I didn't even try to do that reloading thing ๐คฃ
daring wagon
About to try helpful spouses instead and see if that holds better XD
sharp belfry
I have max hearts with nearly all of the marriage candidates but I'm indecisive xD
daring wagon
Oh, you have Shiko! Isn't she supposed to live at the saloon?
I just downloaded her and I can't figure out where she is supposed to be
royal arrow
I use Animal Sitter specifically instead of Custom Chores /Help for Hire. How do you like those o: ?
sharp belfry
yeah, the saloon
royal arrow
I assume you waited the prerequisite 1-2 days for her to actually exist? (I think I've heard that's how long it takes for custom NPCs to exist o.o)
daring wagon
Aside from the load from main menu thing, they are delightful. I had animal sitter for a while but was worried about it cause it looked like the mod author was inactive IIRC so switched to something that didn't need unofficial updates
She walks around town, I just don't know where she sleeps lol
John's in there, Gus too, it seems kinda crowded
I'll wait a couple days and see if a room spawns then?
daring wagon
ahhhh
royal arrow
Ah, you're opposed to unofficial updates :p good to know~ lol
daring wagon
Not usually!
I have tried three versions of animal sitter type things, and another big attraction for custom chores was slime watering-I don't have my slime charmer ring yet (ridiculous, it's year 6?) so since their fence broke it's been kind of a pain to water them...
sharp belfry
I use a mod that changes the slime hutch inside and among other things makes it possible to water without being attacked xD
also it makes it prettier obvs
daring wagon
though idk why i'm watering them anyway cause deluxe autograbber is not pulling slime products into it and ihaventbeeninthereinaweek
looking back into your modlist...
agh jar opener slams download button
shy orbit
i assume you're using the unofficial update of deluxe autograbber?
daring wagon
yep
daring wagon
I've tried placing it inside the slime hutch and in the universal position, and I can see that it sees them in the logs but it doesn't gather them
maybe it needs to be in a specific place?
shy orbit
although i didn't get a slime hutch on this run, the mod is still the same version and so is the game
i don't think it needs to be in a specific position
but who knows, maybe i just put it in the correct place multiple times
daring wagon
lol
royal arrow
I haven't used a slime hutch ever, but I do use the deluxe autograbber in coops and barns, it seems to work inside those wherever?
shy orbit
also, the grabber doesn't gather what already exists when it's placed i think
daring wagon
that could be it, though I think I tested that. I'll try it again today
might've been already too full to spawn another slime ball
Agh the town is so full now and I love it!!! yay custom NPCs
outer turret
Ooh new NPc designed to only last one season. Intriguing!
Was anyone here bothered by Mr Ginger's 5-heart event? (The fish one). It was supposed to be light and a little bit funny but now ppl are saying they don't like to have to choose between lying to Willy and disappointing Mr Ginger.
stable anchor
hello! I ran into a small problem!!
stable anchor
So this person sent me their SMAPI error log after saying that their game crashes when they marry my custom NPC Lucikiel. I'm still learning how to read these logs properly...
I think it's incompatibility with other mods but I'm not sure if it's because they need to update their JA assets mods with the required files, or if it's a small incompatibility with Looking for Love mod (for multiple blacksmith events but that has nothing to do with the game crashing on the night of marriage?)
royal arrow
Lemurkat, I was not bothered by it. Mr. Ginger's cuteness wins every time 
outer turret
Are they a farmhand?
stable anchor
farmhand?
outer turret
In multiplayer.
stable anchor
they didn't say, but I would assume no. I would have to ask
Im going to pm them soon
outer turret
Do u have a log?
stable anchor
daring wagon
I was slightly bothered about lying to Willy, but not so much that I wouldn't want to see the scene. It kinda cements in my mind that he's a little bit of a rogue XD
outer turret
In re to Mr Ginger I kinda feel if you dont want to lie you can just tell the truth then give Mr Ginger a fish afterwards.
royal arrow
I'm not particularly attached to Willy though, Mr. Ginger's cuteness is much more important to me LOL
daring wagon
Oof, that person's log is a little terrifying, Arknir
outer turret
Alternately I can rewrite it but I dont want to make it too complicated.
stable anchor
yeah... i dont think its my fault. I think they just need to update every mod and make sure they have the right requirements downloaded
Would that sound right?
outer turret
I'm not particularly attached to willy either which is maybe why I wrote it in the first place.
restive zodiac
I kinda feel like you're never going to make everyone happy, and cats (even weird magic cats) don't particularly care if you have to lie to someone to give them what they want :P
stable anchor
Mr. Ginger is best cat
royal arrow
Also Willy can just get another fish, he's a fisherman >.>
daring wagon
Arknir that sounds like a reasonable thing to tell them-try updating all your mods and then if it still crashes you can give me a new log
stable anchor
ok thank you halla!
fair vessel
Also ask them to give a shorter log if possible >.>
It's crashed my browser 3 times now lol
stable anchor
ooof
daring wagon
It does look like maybe there's a compatibility thing with helpful spouses, but who knows
with the number of errors other things are throwing...
good grief
stable anchor
amazing how you guys can understand these logs
outer turret
Hmm that person has Mike and Herbert but none of my NPCs :( I'm thinking it's potentially an issue with multiple spouses too.
stable anchor
hmm ok, I'll let them know!
royal arrow
Uhh idk if it's come up yet, but the person is missing a lot of dependencies for their mods, in addition to the ones that need updates
outer turret
Maybe later Mr Ginger will apologize. I could def work it into my next mod.
outer turret
Which I would rather work on than rewrite old ones.
daring wagon
All the new NPCs!!!
fair vessel
Or perhaps you could edit the event to keep both paths but also add a third option? One with some sort of compromise, talk willy into sharing with Mr Ginger maybe
daring wagon
lol that sounds like work
royal arrow
Yea maybe Mr. Ginger brings Willy a FISH, and does the thing cats do like rubbing his adorable face on Willy's leg
outer turret
Hmm I've never done a three way fork.
fair vessel
4th browser crash
I give up lol
fair vessel
Yeah... if only this person had worried about red error texts before one of them broke the game completely...
outer turret
Mr ginger is def not starving hes just naughty. It's okay to disappoint the cat guys!
daring wagon
royal arrow
but we love him
stable anchor
we must protect him
daring wagon
Yeah, that's why I think that scene should stay! It tells me something about his character XD
outer turret
Ultimately why is willy eating a raw fish anyway? Lol. I could also make him decide the cat can have it and invite farmer to lunch.
fair vessel
browser issues are at least partly my fault maybe. I do have like 39 tabs open
outer turret
So choosing not to lie is really best option.
royal arrow
Honestly I pictured the backstory as Willy was getting ready to move the fishie for eating and Mr. Ginger was quick like a 
and snatched it
outer turret
Might do that. Still gives player moral ambiguity though.
I also just wanted it to show how many names Mr G had.
royal arrow
only 39 tabs
(I had over a 100 open on my phone and it gave up on counting and just had :D where numbers once were >_>)
fair vessel
You could edit the dialogue a bit to make it more obvious hints that Mr. Ginger is up to mischief, and if there's any dialogue where Mr. Ginger is disappointed (or hints that he might be if you don't help him), change it a bit so his expectations aren't as high?
I'm just thinking, if people are taking the choice to be super serious, there's probably ways to add cues that it is less so
outer turret
Lyell and Shiko have not updated their manifests so they prob dont need updating.
I'd also add Mr G doesnt expect you to lie for him. He's just grateful if you do. And disappointed if you dont. But there was a friendship decrease which I am going to adjust
daring wagon
They do have Haru downloaded in all his XNB glory unless someone else has fixed him
daring wagon
They also have all the optional spouse rooms for spouses they aren't marrying
outer turret
That seems unnecessary. But they may be planning on marrying them all. I do wonder if multiple spouses just has issues with custom NPCs.
daring wagon
One thing, I really love how everyone in town has a different name for Mr. Ginger. That is just delightful
fair vessel
I know it's been tested with some custom NPCs
Maybe it gets fussy about spouse room map formats or something?
stable anchor
That seems unnecessary. But they may be planning on marrying them all. I do wonder if multiple spouses just has issues with custom NPCs.
That would make sense since it was initially intended for vanilla bachelors/bachelorettes. I haven't looked on their page if theres anything concerning custom NPCs
outer turret
If anyone is making a custom NPC feel free to give him a nickname. Jacob calls him Copernicus after my first cat.
stable anchor
outer turret
I've see MS working with Sophia and Riley though.
royal arrow
Oh ya, Jade mentions him too! is finally putting 2 and 2 together
stable anchor
he is possessive like that ngl
daring wagon
@sharp belfry I hope you realize what a monster you've created. I think this is 10 new mods I've downloaded today? After an orgy of NPCs yesterday, too
stable anchor
with's miss coriel's extra dialogue mod, he says he's not interested in someone else's left-over dregs if asking him when you are already married
daring wagon
Lenne, you have no room to look sideways there-I went through and got all your mods yesterday too XD
Going to have to wait to use some of them though since this save is so far along lol
royal arrow
The puffer sweat was at the word choice ๐คฃ
I applaud your decent into the dark side of more mods 
sharp belfry
@daring wagon mad cackling in the distance
royal arrow
Wait all?
stable anchor
sharp belfry
j o i n m e
daring wagon
The ones you made. I did have a little orgy of downloading the ones you recommended when I first saw your list, but it might be about time to dive back in that XD
stable anchor
749?
royal arrow
Oh you mean my mods yea lol not the 311+ mod list ๐คฃ
stable anchor
daring wagon
lol no sorry that was confusing
royal arrow
Also you know Joja Plans Ahead is not compatible with Joja Always Has Seeds right o: just don't want you to have a bad time ๐
stable anchor
i remember when I was proud of my 100+ modded game, but 300+ is a big flex ๐คฃ
daring wagon
Aww, that makes sense lol
sharp belfry
749?
@stable anchor yes
daring wagon
Time to join us, Ark....
royal arrow
Become one of us, one of us 
sharp belfry
Join ussss
stable anchor
sharp belfry
ONE OF US
stable anchor
yall sound like a cult ;-;
dire fractal
Gooble gobble gooble gobble
royal arrow
A loving, welcoming, friendly cult :D
stable anchor
u rite
sharp belfry
cause we are I mean what cult
outer turret
I'm on 262 and pushing what my computer will handle.
daring wagon
I think I may hit 500 today
outer turret
I did sub file them
stable anchor
when your mods are bigger than the original game files
sharp belfry
when your mods are bigger than the original game files
@stable anchor ain't that the life
royal arrow
I make that happen in Skyrim ez
stable anchor
outer turret
Garam sounds lovely but I'm halfway through spring. Also what happens if you don't get him to 10 hearts in a season. Is that even possible? It looks like he sticks around.
I think 6 would be the limit unless you have unlimited gifting.
daring wagon
Oooooh he's gorgeous
sharp belfry
Garam sounds real nice but I want all my npcs to have a semi-consistent portrait styyyyle
dire fractal
@royal arrow after hilarious amounts of testing, I can say that either safe lightning is getting conflicts with cjb cheat menu (and then probably-maybe-only when it's modifying daily luck, and then only when the character is not at the farm), OR it's an issue that only shows up when not at the farm at certain luck values.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
as soon as I think "aha I've got the specific behavior nailed down and I can reproduce a dead crop at will", it behaves slightly inconsistently on the verification pass
outer turret
Also he requires portraiture which I havent installed.
royal arrow
I've read that several times to try and understand
The possible conflict with CJB Cheats Menu is only if you use it to change your luck, and only if you're not at the farm,
Oooor it's just sometimes when you're off the farm, depending on your luck, independent of CJB Cheats Menu?
outer turret
But the concept of short term NPCs intrigues me.
I do quite like the "get to 10 hearts then they leave" idea
dire fractal
It only seems to kill stuff if you're not there to see it. I get lightning at the same time on the current day of my save
if I'm standing at my crops, lightning hits and they shrug and keep being melons
royal arrow
Yea I remember someone was thinking of having their custom NPC like, go to jail, and that's the reason they disappear from the town o.o
dire fractal
if I'm in another map region that isn't farm, and I come back after that time index, the crop is dead. usually most of the time if cjb cheats menu is modifying luck
outer turret
Wouldnt it die overnight though?
The only reason it doesnt die on screen is it needs the map to refresh
royal arrow
It's the observer effect !
Although your suggestion is probably it, that it's related to the location ๐
outer turret
I would guess?
dire fractal
I wouldn't know, I'm not one of you smart orange people :p
that could totally be though
outer turret
Heh I'm just speculating. I do content not code.
royal arrow
Orange != intelligent, we just decided to break the game add or adjust content lol
outer turret
I just wanted to ||break up Marnie and Lewis||. That's why I started modding. Also I was sick of her telling me Shane had lived with her these last few months when I'd been there 3 years and was married to Shane
dire fractal
no, no, I know the "cheeto dust" someone claimed the other day is secretly the blood of innocent code and you steal its brains
also even if you 'just do content' you all have a ton of experience in how this beast behaves ๐
royal arrow
I just wanted some equipment to take fewer resources to make 
although even before that, I was tweaking mods to my liking
dire fractal
ok, the strikes for the day feel either pre-calculated or seed based instead of it actually rolling each time index
and if cjb was set to maximize luck when the day started (i.e. checkbox was checked prior to game load) then at 15:20 I get a strike that kills a melon
if it wasn't set at day start / save load then the lightning doesn't kill
royal arrow
It prolly IS seed based o: from the tiny nougat of knowledge I have about randomness in this game, which is very limited
dire fractal
and if it's not loaded as a mod I get fewer strikes even if it was never supposed to be modifying luck, which is weird, but whatever
fair vessel
Luck does indeed factor into both the chance of lightning (more luck = more lightning) and the chance of destructive strikes (more luck = less chance to destroy stuff I think)