#creative-discussion

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ember narwhal
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xD

lament turtle
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i'm happy for you

mighty bronze
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I like how your style is a little close to realistic and I feel you can do even better

ember narwhal
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thankk

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; A ;

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you guys have been so nice and given me so much motivation to do more art ; ~ ;

tranquil comet
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just thought id say that the only bad artists are art stealers

ember narwhal
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LMAo mood

tranquil comet
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too many people shit on their own art instead of figuring out how to improve and i hate it

ember narwhal
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oh?

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well from personal experience sometimes its really hard to get past that plateau of skill, personally ive been sitting on one for years now but my depression's made it hard to push through and keep doing art in spite of everything looking wrong that i draw

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the only way to really get through it though is to keep drawing and looking for new sources of inspiration/reference so that eventually something about the way you work changes. but that's difficult for a lot of folks

lone mountain
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hi sexy artists

tranquil comet
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i get that, but some people just compare themselves to others (i used to do this) and call themselves shit

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ive learned to not do that

ember narwhal
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a lot of artists i know go through a phase like that at some points

tranquil comet
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most do

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i just wish less people did

ember narwhal
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personally i still have a really hard time with it sometimes when theres a 16 year old on the internet whos doing better illustrations than me, a27 yo with a degree xD

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yeah that would be nice if we didnt thinkt hat way

tranquil comet
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happens sometimes, i gave up on digital because well, what did i have to draw?

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i had one reaper boi an thats about it

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didnt really have time to learn

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got into pixel art

ember narwhal
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ahh yeah

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having time to learn is always difficult for a lot of ppl

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i was lucky in that i dont really have much in my life i have to worry about

tranquil comet
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i have so much to worry about

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i love pixel art but its seriously affecting my grades

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and my parents are asian so you can imagine how that goes

ember narwhal
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ohh heck

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yeah i had that same problem in college

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for the first couple years anyway

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all i wanted to do was do my own art, not my assignments, even though most of them were art assignments

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thats why it took 7 yrs to get a 4 year degree

lone mountain
tranquil comet
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heres the thing im not in college, im in middle school

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LMAOO

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i love it

mighty bronze
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omg

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so brutal, love it!

ember narwhal
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ohh heck

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lmao

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omg jev thats savage xD

lone mountain
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LKAJSDKLHSD

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they made my profile picture its so fucking sexy πŸ₯Ί πŸ₯Ί πŸ₯Ί

ember narwhal
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hecc

tranquil comet
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What i consider the best feeling in the world: when someone you consider to be a really good artist complements your art

ember narwhal
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yeee u got dat right

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also a question for the admins, do yall allpw streams in this server? i was thinking of trying an art stream but using obs is a pain in the ass and hard on my computer so using discord would be easier

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and i could do it thru my own server but i know u dont allow other server adverts here

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idk if anyone would even be interested anyway i was just gonna draw seb xD

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@lone mountain do u know?

lone mountain
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we don't :(

ember narwhal
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aww ok

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ill have to figure out obs then

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can i advertise a stream here?

lone mountain
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im pretty sure u can say ur streaming in here and ask people if they wanna watch just dont post link or spam

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also i could help you with obs but i have mine set up with picarto

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i have no clue on how twitch works

ember narwhal
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oh i wouldnt use twitch

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i use picarto too

lone mountain
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oh i can def help u then

ember narwhal
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its just kinda finnicky for me and havent used it with this new computer yet

lone mountain
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i will def watch u too 😳

ember narwhal
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okiess

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yea

lone mountain
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do you want to see my settings?

ember narwhal
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thats why i stopped doing streams is cuz i wouldnt get anyone to join half the time xD

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lemme se if i can set it up first, i have a feeling settings depend on hardware

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i also need to figure out how to give photoshop more ram xD

lone mountain
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idk if u use gaia but a lot of people just use the free art forum to advertise their stream KJASHDJ

ember narwhal
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ooh

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well

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i have a gaia account but

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idk if anyone would care xD

lone mountain
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i mean if u give the false promise of doing them free art they will

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depending on time there will be around like

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5-10 people

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ive been meaning to stream again but i hate doing art for people

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its too hard alkjshd

ember narwhal
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i like it cause i like attention. but usually people will come if im doing fandom specific art, i dont usually have to offer requests. sometimes i do if i want to though ; - ;

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but i was gonig to offer requests this time

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for things to draw sebastian doing xD

kindred scaffold
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I think I've finally accepted that it's okay if I don't finish my sketches. I just like doodling. I'm still trying to find myself, I can't force it.

ember narwhal
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thats valid

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also what i like to do is come back to my sketches a few months later and see if i feel like working further on any of them. usualy the answer is yes

kindred scaffold
ember narwhal
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OOOO

mighty bronze
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Booof boi

ember narwhal
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babys been workin out

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heh

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imagine seb

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working out secretly for months before ur characters birthday

mighty bronze
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Godaaaaamn

ember narwhal
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and then on their birthday he comes in the room, rips off his shirt and hes like 'HAPPY BIRTHDAY"

mighty bronze
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"You want to kill me that bad?"

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Freaking bastard

ember narwhal
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and ur characters like SDVpufferwoke

mighty bronze
ember narwhal
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sebby knows whats best for his mate

mighty bronze
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Hot lad

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Ngl

ember narwhal
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xD

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does this count as sexualizing a character xDDD

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oops xDD

mighty bronze
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Naw naw, we wre just admiring his body in a "creative" way

ember narwhal
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hehe

kindred scaffold
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Hefty chonk(I believe) did a drawing of Sebastian and a Fairy Rose. It was adorable. I like it showing a softer side to him. SDVpufferuwu

ember narwhal
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uwuwuw yes

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does he actually like those in game?

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i also have headcanons about that though

kindred scaffold
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He hates them.

ember narwhal
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i like to imagine seb's used to having walls and acting tough all the time cause he's had to to survive being a loner

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but once he gets married he gradually opens up and lets himself be more vulnerable

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lmao thats what i thought xD

mighty bronze
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He's a cinnamon roll

ember narwhal
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ye really is

mighty bronze
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Must protecc

ember narwhal
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MUST PROTECC

mighty bronze
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Protecc squad assemble!!

ember narwhal
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oh my god picarto why cant you just let me select my server instead of trying to connect to all four servers so that you can pick it for me. i dont want tto wait 20 mins for you to connect to germany

lament turtle
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feel like marriage has a different stigma in the stardew world, seb is like 19

ember narwhal
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i thought he was in his mid 20's based on his dialogue

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talks about how if he went to college he'd be making 6 figs by now

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hes also a freelance programmer

lament turtle
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he certainly looks pretty young

ember narwhal
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i mean you cant really decide a characters age based on heavily stylized art imo

mighty bronze
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Certainly perfect for marriage huhuhu

ember narwhal
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the sdv style is meant to be very cutesy-stylized

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is there somewhere in canon where it says everyones ages?

lament turtle
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there isn't

mighty bronze
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They're all most likely 18-20 y old

lament turtle
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yea they all give me a rly young vibe

ember narwhal
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i'd disagree but

lament turtle
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shane is prob a bit older

ember narwhal
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i feel like some of their dialogue was heavily stereotyped

lament turtle
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and of course harvey is a doctor

ember narwhal
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i.e. with seb being so "emo"

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idk i hc seb as like 24-ish

mighty bronze
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I see what you mean

ember narwhal
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at least post college age since he regrets not going to college

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plus it's assumed that as each year passes they age xD

mighty bronze
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Oh well

ember narwhal
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so he's gotta be at least 22ish by the time you marry him

mighty bronze
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That is valid

lament turtle
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i hc that you just move in with each other

ember narwhal
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unless u somehow marry him in the first year

lament turtle
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which is cute

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but marriage is like

mighty bronze
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First year marriage? Yeep I did that

ember narwhal
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i did it my 2nd year just cause i wanted to like not burn through that part of the game immediately xD

mighty bronze
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I made a lot of yetis crying for him

ember narwhal
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hehehe

mighty bronze
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Can we also appreciate the most creative person in this world, Leah ablobcatheart

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I could talk all day long about her being such an inspiration

ember narwhal
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lmaoo

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i.... sadly have no interest in the other characters xDDDD

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im a one-character-fixation type of person

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yes it does suck cause then i dont enjoy stuff as fully as others ; - ;

mighty bronze
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Smhhh, well you do you

kindred scaffold
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I'm a Sam-Fam-Man SDVpuffercool I love sunshine man

ember narwhal
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hes pretty cool

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if i was gonna romance someone else itd probably be him or elliott

mighty bronze
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Saiyan hair

ember narwhal
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i do like a glorious mane man

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BUT my weakness for emo hair is strong

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and if i was even the tiniest bit bi i'd probably go for abby too. but i dot not have a single female attracted bone in my body ; - ;

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shes really cool tho. def my 2nd fav character

kindred scaffold
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I have a weakness for energetic blondes SDVpufferblush

ember narwhal
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ahah

mighty bronze
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Just talk about Sam, watch jevin's saiyan senses tingling

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His hair is too perfect smh

kindred scaffold
lament turtle
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alex best boy, will not be taking questions at this time

ember zealot
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hmm, but what about haley shes ACK

mighty bronze
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Lmao we turned creative discussion into sdv

lament turtle
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let's talk about drawing alex

ember narwhal
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it's still creative if we blab about headcanonos

kindred scaffold
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I like drawing hair. SDVpufferlurk

ember zealot
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fluffy hairrr

mighty bronze
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I actually ran through almost every marriage but I can find myself liking Leah, Seb, Sam and Alex

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Their stories are so relatable

ember narwhal
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im thinkin about doing that art stream for sebby stuff in aminute here. is anyone interested??

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ill take requests ; - ;

ancient prawn
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it's 22:21 here so I'll be heading to sleep soon 😦

ember narwhal
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aw

ember narwhal
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just ping me/dm me if u want the link. imma start it now

lethal belfry
lament turtle
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yessss

ember narwhal
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babbyy

tawny lynx
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There seems to have been a trend with making Seb increasingly attractive and muscular with every fanart.

ember zealot
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i mean, yeah how else are we meant to eventually do him justice with recreating his beauty?

ember narwhal
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mhm

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it might be my fault

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also that implies seb isnt attractive in the base game, which isnt true at all xD

tawny lynx
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Oh no, I just mean I've observed a constant increase from the baseline.

ember narwhal
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hehe

tranquil comet
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a bit upset rn since my parents took my pc for a while meaning no pixel art (because contrary to popular belief, video games are not my favorite thing)

devout stream
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damn that sebastian is a hunk

tawny lynx
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Abigail glares from the window

ember narwhal
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who are you kidding abby's gotta be thirsting after dat butt just like everyone else in town

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since if we are going to interpret the fact that anyone can be romanced by either gender, everyone is at least bi

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:)

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all the dude npcs are just a little gay for seb xD

tawny lynx
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I know there's a TV Tropes page for this.

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Woah, nearly got caught in a TV Tropes streak.

ember narwhal
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hehe

mighty bronze
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Btw the artist is Ciervo Bizarro

lament turtle
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who is that qt

mighty bronze
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His OC's name is Tim

lament turtle
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o

mighty bronze
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But he draws a lot of bizarre things, search on your own risk (not nsfw)

lament turtle
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o i see

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when i reversed image searched your pfp earlier it redirected to his page

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thought it was some random retweet so didnt pay attention

mighty bronze
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Yeah my pfp is his art as well

lament turtle
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he's very talented

mighty bronze
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Ikr

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He puts so much pain in those characters but in such a beautiful way

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This is the sketch still of me doing the cosplay of the earth

lament turtle
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is that u

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aaaahhh

mighty bronze
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Yeah

lament turtle
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adorable

mighty bronze
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I'm amazed, it looks better than I expected

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He is also such a nice guy to talk to oof

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I do believe he reflected some of the life bad experiences into his art, but I hope he's ok now

hushed ledge
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does anybody know a good way to transfer fire alpaca animations?

tawny lynx
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Can't they export to a gif or MP4?

glossy steppe
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@hushed ledge if you plan on compiling it in video software set the animation to save as sequential pngs
If not, then MP4

halcyon bronze
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I believe firealpaca has a secondary online program. I used to use it... Although I can't remember the name. It had something to do with a shiba, but it was like a gif compiler.

spiral gale
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wip thats why its here

lone mountain
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@lethal belfry ur art is sexy πŸ₯Ί

lethal belfry
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Hahaha thank you so much SDVpufferuwu

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I remember that drawing was one of the first male anatomy practica I'v just draw a lot women XD but now I draw more men than women

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Thank to jojos too

devout stream
lament turtle
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anyone use Affinity Designer here?

ember narwhal
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babies

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like a burrito

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couch burrito

tranquil comet
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cake sword 5, bg is only because iphone is stupid and doesnt allow transparency

kindred scaffold
urban nexus
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Adorable! I love those big ol' eyes

kindred scaffold
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Thank you SDVpufferblush

tranquil comet
kindred scaffold
lament turtle
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why are you sad

hushed ledge
mighty bronze
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lmaooo, now I understand that hot pepper reference @ember narwhal πŸ˜‚

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Didn't saw this text till now

ember narwhal
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hehe

ember narwhal
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im curious has anyone else besides me gay romanced seb? cause most art i see here is with fem farmers uwu

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i wana see the cute gay seb pairings too owo

devout stream
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i vaguely remember seeing a few over the years

ember narwhal
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; A ;

devout stream
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ive seen A LOT of female farmer x abby LOL

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lesbians love abby

ember narwhal
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yeye

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i guess im just weird cause im not cis at all so i identify more with dudes. and i only want dudes wehrever i go xDDDD

devout stream
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lol and thats valid!!

ember narwhal
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dudes kissing dudes is my total jam

devout stream
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sebastian's a popular bachelor overall

ember narwhal
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i wish to be there myself someday = A =

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ye

devout stream
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him and shane have always been head-to-head for most popular boy i'd say

ember narwhal
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he seems very popular esp in the artist community which isnt surprising

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oh really?

devout stream
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yeah!

ember narwhal
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when i first met shane i was like... pppl like shane? xDDDD

devout stream
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LOL a lot of people find him relatable

ember narwhal
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he was rude to me 3 times so i was like uhh okay bye xDDD

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then i read his wiki and i was like OH

devout stream
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yepppp

ember narwhal
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hes a chicken man

devout stream
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shane does a lot of improving over time

ember narwhal
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yea

devout stream
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i see so much art of those two boys

ember narwhal
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i kinda wish sebs storyline was more like that though? like he legit seems to be depressed but its never taken seriously in the game imo

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and like

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shanes alcoholism is a big deal but sebs smoking isnt. its like a background thing. smoking is just as bad as alcoholism

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idk i just want more for him. thats why i wanna make a mod xD

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personally i see him as his mid 20's so the whole high school "im emo so i pretend to be sad" thing seems really fake and not thought out well

devout stream
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well shane's alcoholism is ||the result of depression and coping, and in ways makes his situation worse because he's unable to think clearly about his decisions. smoking is obviously bad but it doesn't affect people the same way alcohol does.||

ember narwhal
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i mean it can still ruin your life

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and quitting smoking is just as hard as quitting alcoholism too

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idk, i just wish there was more depth

devout stream
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that's a valid criticism, can be applied to most if not all of the characters in the game πŸ˜›

ember narwhal
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it also depends on the severity of it too i guess, seb probably isnt into smoking as hard

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yea

devout stream
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hopefully future updates will give us more! i always feel so inspired to draw

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whenever new heart events are added

ember narwhal
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wait when was the last update? u think more will come out??

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id love more than anything for there to be more post marriage content

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like dialogue, events, even just having your spouse actually do something besides stand around the house all day...

onyx island
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Yes, 1.5 is in the works, but the only think we know so far is that they'll have banana trees and bananas

kindred scaffold
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I'd like that too

ember narwhal
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ohh

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idek what to do with fruit trees xD

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the only part of the game im interested in is romancing seb xDDDDD

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i use this to make up for the impossibility of getting a bf in real life ; - ;

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xD

onyx island
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just having your spouse actually do something besides stand around the house all day...
Can't relate, Penny only does that 2 and a half days a week LUL

kindred scaffold
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Can't wait to fill my green house with banana trees SDVpufferwoke

ember narwhal
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lol good for u then

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for some reason seb onlly does stuff 2 days a week. like goes outta the house.

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like. him staying inside is fine and makes sense but like. i wish he'd keep working his job xD like sitting on the computer working

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that would make me feel a lot better

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instead he just stands around and stares at objects for hours. its really weird

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im filling my greenhouse with ancient fruit and rare seeds xD

onyx island
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After marriage Penny goes to tutor the kids three days a week, the whole year 'round. Rain, snow, sleet, she doesn't care, the kids gotta learn LUL

ember narwhal
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lmao

onyx island
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No breaks

ember narwhal
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thats another thing id like in the update... let me have a cellar without a nursery pLEAAASE

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i dont want eternal toddlers

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xD

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if they grew up into adults i'd probably be more open to it but like. eternal useless gremlins? no

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also if u gonna let the gays adopt, let us adopt teenagers xD

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teens are cool

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way cooler than babies

lament turtle
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I saw an alex x seb pic somewhere here before and I was here for it

ember narwhal
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hehe

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alex teaches seb how to be buff, and seb teaches alex how to be goth. then we can have 2 buff goths

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this is good

onyx island
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teens are cool
Errr I disagree with that LUL

ember narwhal
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lmao ok then youve never met a teen xD

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jk i think all children are no thanks xD

onyx island
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I've met plenty lol

ember narwhal
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the url wasnt found D:

ember narwhal
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LMAO

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that is an extremely cute seb tho

lament turtle
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he b l u s h

ember narwhal
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cue alex saying "youve never handled a football before have you"

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and sebs like WHAT ///// DO YOU MEAN

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hehe

lament turtle
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wow this was posted almost a year ago how the time flies

ember narwhal
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alex: was legitimately just talking about sports but now hes curious

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xD

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tbh that persons drawing style made both of them reallly cute

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in game alex is like. okay looking but that alex there is cuuuuute

lament turtle
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his hair floof

ember narwhal
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would also be cute if that did happen, and in this au thats when seb realizes hes bi xD but then alex turns out to be straight and sebs like will another hot guy ever take interest in me??? then my boy taaajy comes along SDVsobastian

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just an idea xDD

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yes his hair floof

lament turtle
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that'd be cute

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always someone that has to be your gay awakening

ember narwhal
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mhm

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oh i just realized why i cant concentrate on drawing today. its cause i ddint have any coffee. and now its too late to have any : n ;

lament turtle
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never too late

ember narwhal
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heck well

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i just spent a bunch of time reversing my noctournal schedule and now im waking up at 3pm again.

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like my body is allergic to waking up in the morning and getting tired at night

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i legitimately dont understand it

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its like im awake slightly longer and sleep for slightly longer than everyone else so i'll never be on the same schedule as the world lol

kindred scaffold
ember narwhal
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LMAO

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hey how do u get those in ur house though

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i want one

kindred scaffold
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Spoiler SDVsadcat2

It's from the ||crane game|| you unlock it after the community center bundles

ember narwhal
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ohh

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heck ok

onyx island
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Ughhhh why hands have to give so much trouble. Not even trying to draw a normal hand, it's just a chibi hand PensiveWobble

kindred scaffold
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Hands are my biggest enemy

glass mortar
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fingers hurt me

lusty hull
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Is this looking about right to be an Animal Crossing dog? He's supposed to be a cocker spaniel based on a real life dog

lament turtle
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yea it's very cute

devout bridge
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Choosing between draw about game and play game is stupid hard

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I need to do more art but the animal crossing...it calls me

strong ingot
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i..wanna draw a swole antonio...

devout bridge
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Pls.............gift us this

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I wanna do a baby comic about my ac villagers cause cookie is super sweet to my human one but she says a lot of mean things about fish so I'm just laughs in catfish

lone mountain
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sam cute

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😳

kindred scaffold
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You speak the truth

ember narwhal
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he is pretty cute uwu

kindred scaffold
lone mountain
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OH THATS FUCKING PRECIOUSSSSSSS

kindred scaffold
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Thank you!!! SDVpufferuwu

spiral gale
ember zealot
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bbys

kindred scaffold
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They look great

spiral gale
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thank yall! ❀️

cold path
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nice!!! omg i love the dynamic shapes, especially the tail!!!

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also i'm sorry everyone but i can't draw cat arms so i did this and it's curse d i'm sorry

ember narwhal
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im scared

lone mountain
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i take a picture of my own hand

humble lava
onyx island
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That's some severe case of cat scratch fever

mighty bronze
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ok, this might be a lil strange to ask but why do artist don't want their art to be reposted, with credits ofc

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or repost is different from sharing

ember narwhal
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reposting separates the artwork from the artist. so like, if someone from tu mblr took one of my seb drawings, and posted it, they would be getting all the notes, all the attention, all the follows for it. do you think that would be fair to the artist? even if they did credit me, many people will be too lazy to click the link and go to the original source. and most of the time when people repost stuff, it's literally just to get attention for themselves ,9 times out of 10 they are not crediting intentionally.

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if you are sharing, usually you are just essentially sharing the link to where the art was posted. you are not downloading the image and uploading it as your own photo, which is what happens when someone "reposts"

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it actually takes more work to repost than to share. most websites have a share function, where as to repost something, you actually have to download the image and then make a new post on your website or blog.

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many times when reposting happens the artist has no knowledge of it either. and sometimes people reposting will attempt to claim it as their own or generate some kind of profit from it. so thats why its typically a negative thing to do.

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personally i don't want my work reposted on websites where i actually have a profile and a following. but if someone reposts (with credit) to a website where i dont have an account and have no intention of joining, then i would consider that fine. i would prefer to be asked first in all situations though.

mighty bronze
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wow, thank you so much for clarifying everything, I understand now but than again, how do artist get popular?

ember narwhal
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i'm not sure how it works for every artist out there, but a few ways i've seen for myself are either they join an active fandom and post a lot of fan art, which interests many people if its a big fandom too, so they get a lot of exposure from that. the second method is usually a combination of either theyve just been posting in the same place for years and years consistently and usually they tend to have a higher level of technical skill than other artists doing the same thing. or they happen to befriend someone who does have a large following and can promote their art. it's a lot of luck, really.

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but the most common one is through fandoms

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thats how i got 4k followers on tumblr, by posting a bunch of fan art.

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it was much easier when the fandoms were active.

mighty bronze
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Thanks for taking your time to open my eyes πŸ˜„

ember narwhal
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yw uwu

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i enjoy talking about this kind of stuff, a lot of people don't actually know about it

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a lot of it is from personal experience too. ive been posting art online a lot so most of this stuff ive encountered at some point

mighty bronze
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must've been harsh for everyone...

ember narwhal
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yeah trying to get yourself out there with nothing but your oc's is fucking brutal

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xD

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though ive learned that once you join fandoms, you can start posting your oc stuff and usually a handful of people will enjoy your art just because its your art, and actually want to see more of your oc's . then if you rotate fandoms llike me, that handful of people will stick with you no matter what you do. in each fandom you may find more people like that. eventually most people will follow your art because they like your art, not because you do fan art

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havent quite gotten to there yet myself though ; u ;

mighty bronze
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That sounds so wonderful BlobAdore

ember narwhal
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but i do have one person that commissions me for my oc's every time i post commissions ; A ; i cry lol

mighty bronze
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you gotta surround yourself with a lot of nice peoples

lone mountain
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Lmao i gave up on forcing fanart

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Ocs forever and only

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Fuck it!!!!!

ember narwhal
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lol well the trick is to not force it xD

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i only draw fan art i actually want to draw. thats why its always only 1 hot dude character from the fandom im in. and i just draw him for 3 years and then move to a new fandom lmfao

pastel nimbus
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mirax that's inspirational af

ember narwhal
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; - ; i try lmfao

lone mountain
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yeah i always literally just

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draw 1 character i like from hte series and thats it

ember narwhal
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yuuup

unreal stream
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Preach

exotic wren
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Forme it depends on mood

tawny lynx
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"How does the artist get popular?"
It's a valid question that others have answered, but note that this line of thinking is used by people who think they can pay in "exposure". People and by extension users of the internet are consumers, but not investigators. They may enjoy art that they see posted but they rarely if ever take the effort to look into the source (see: sensationalist news headlines and fact checking). Regulars of this channel are more artistically-minded so we're more likely to do that.

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I will confirm that fanart is a good way to get an initial following. Don't worry about posting original art mixed in with it or eventually dropping off the fanart afterwards; fanart will get you noticed but your style is what makes them stay.

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Art is a very personal or "intimate" field compared to others because the art is very much a part of the artist. Your fans will follow where you go artistically (barring extremes like a sudden switch to NSFW art or strong politics and ideologies).

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I think this is often a reason why artists get discouraged. When you create something, it's a part of you, which means that presenting it to the world has a much higher effect on your validation.

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Their opinion on a part of you is also seen as part of their opinion on the rest of you.

pastel nimbus
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that's so true pezzo, when you share your work publicly it feels a lot like your own character and self, as a person, is being judged rather than the product

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i think people consuming the art oftentimes don't feel that way about how they're passing judgment, or are unaware of that effect, or simply don't care. even small, seemingly-benign comments that can be construed as unprovoked or unwanted criticism seem much bigger in the eyes of the person who made the thing, and having art ignored or passed over feels similarly like a personal rejection. it's easy to get discouraged if you aren't getting the external validation you want, and that external validation is a major driving factor in your producing the art

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which is why it's helpful to make content that you, personally, like. the kind of stuff you'd probably make even if you had nowhere to share it. that way, external validation doesn't really have so much influence over your own sense of self as it relates to art

tawny lynx
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It's hard to stick with that mindset though.

pastel nimbus
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at least, that's what i've found. and the more stuff you make that's high quality because You Personally care about it and wanted to make it, generally the more people notice and like it?? it's weird

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for sure

tawny lynx
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Few can entirely validate themselves in a vacuum.

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Fortunately there's always someone that'll like what you make, but it may just be harder than others.

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Wait, this is sounding like relationship advice if a few words are swapped.

ember narwhal
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lmao

pastel nimbus
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there are some striking parallels

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as a married person, i've noticed that

ember narwhal
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personally i always avoid connecting myself too much to my art. viewing your art as too personal produces the kind of people who are oversensitive about constructive criticism and cant take it at all

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obv not everyone is looking for critique or criticism but thats one of the first things you have to learn at college and especially if you are serious about improving your skills.

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so i'd just be careful about viewing your work as a "part" of yourself top deeply in all cases

pastel nimbus
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oh yes absolutely. i think the hobbyist has a harder time disconnecting from their work, but it's an important skill to learn if the aim is to improve

ember narwhal
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yeah exactly

pastel nimbus
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and it really isn't a "part" of you, at least not in the eyes of most people consuming it. they don't typically judge things that way, i don't think. nobody's looking at a drawing going "that perspective is wonky. you must be a terrible person" lmaaoo

ember narwhal
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yeah well thats how a lot of younger less experienced artists actually take it

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they think oh i spent so much time on it and youre pointing out 16 things wrong with it i guess im just shit at art and i shoulsnt bother making any more

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so when feedback is involved its important for both the artist and the critiquer to have the right mindset

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constructive feedback shouldnt sound rude or mean, ans the artist shouldnt take it personally. its meant to help the artist improve at the core.

pastel nimbus
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it's also important to understand constructive feedback as the huge compliment that it is. the person offering the criticism finds you worth their time, and feels your work is worth the investment to improve, evolve, grow, etc

ember narwhal
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yeah exactly

lusty hull
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No, some people just complain and are rude and pretend its "constructive"

pastel nimbus
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talkin a real big game over here for a hobbyist drawer for like. three years tops

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there's a difference, though

ember narwhal
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and tyapically you shouldnt even be getting critique unless you asked for it. nobody likes unsolicited advice. the same applies to art

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@lusty hull then thats not proper critique and you should tell them to fuck off

lusty hull
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I try to only say nice things

pastel nimbus
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you can tell if someone's just being rude. YEAH if it's unsolicited, baseless, or unprompted then that is quite different

lusty hull
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I've had to blcok some weirdos

ember narwhal
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good

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blockem

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yea well i have always wanted to be a concept artist, so i studied for that, but now finding out how fucking competitive and brutal it is idk if i have the energy for that xD

lusty hull
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I would not want to art for a living. It would kill me

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I can imagine the difficulty

ember narwhal
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it just sucks being to college and learning proper critique and then coming back to the internet and seeing how mean and defensive a lot of people are

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yeahhh

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idk what im gonna do with myself now tch

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tbh

pastel nimbus
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i feel that mirax. it's tough out there for professional artists

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job stability is difficult to come by in that field. i see concept artists/character designers for commercial television studio-hopping constantly

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don't know if it's the same for visdev people in games and movies, but i'd imagine so?

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i would love to be able to draw all day but doing it professionally sounds stressful. job stability is hard enough rn and i work in stem which is supposed to be better :/

tawny lynx
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It's supposed to be (especially these days)

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I will say that it's hard not to feel at least a small personal connection to your creative ventures.

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Where else did the ideas come from other than yourself?

tropic crown
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The hard part has never been other people for me

ember narwhal
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yeah. i suppose i feel more personally towards non fan art, but most of what i show to the public is fan art so i dont really have that problem

tropic crown
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I’m so hard on my own art that it makes it difficult to show it to others

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Even when people say it’s good

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I always feel like it’s really rough

ember narwhal
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same, i think most artists feel that way

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youre always gonna be your own critic cause only you went through the process of creating it and are aware of which parts you arent as good at and what you struggled with the most

tropic crown
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Ya

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That’s fair

ember narwhal
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i still feel that way about all the art i make. its never good enough xD

pastel iris
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Artist : puts description in their art page that accepts criticism
Random People : dood, your art is ugly, how can you call that art?
Artist : do you even know how to criticize properly
Random People : ofc I know, I just gave you one, it's not an insult

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even until now, some people called insult as criticism lmao

onyx island
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Reminds me of the people that go "No offense, but [offensive comment]."

pastel iris
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no offense, but duck you GWjiangoNegaLUL

ember narwhal
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i love those. i just tell them to fuck off cause i dont care about being nice to assholes anymore looool

rain quartz
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i made an ng account recently and gave some guy a small advice in the comments, saw that they followed later me and didnt think much of it
then i see that they left a comment on one of my artworks which i think was supposed to be advice but they worded it so weirdly, dont really wanna call it an insult cus it doesnt seem like it, but it was just annoying to read

unreal stream
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I practicially survive off the critiques from others
only way I learn

rain quartz
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i usually ask for em from friends or on the art server i mod

unreal stream
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A horrible habit I have due to my insecurities is asking for advice too often, like I'll draw a head and ask for advice on the shape right away

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I'm never sure of what I do until someone shows me or tells me its fine

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I do seriously wish I was more independent. Sometimes I feels like my drawings aren't my own.

rain quartz
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ya just gotta let imperfections go sometimes, or look for a ref image instead of asking someone

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im not big on showing wips so unless i have a thing i dont know how to approach i dont ask for advice

pastel nimbus
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i almost never show wips, it makes me too nervous. but it's probably helpful if someone giving advice can see your process? i'm not sure if there's an advantage

lament turtle
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holy shit

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so i tried flipping my canvas for the first time

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and

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im surprised

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some of these look really good flipped and some look... wonky asf

pastel nimbus
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canvas flipping is an experience

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i do it like every thirty seconds while drawing

lament turtle
pastel nimbus
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if i go too long without flipping it, the thing i'm drawing will absolutely end up in the "Wonky ASF" category

lament turtle
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ignore the horrid lineart, im working on that

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wonky asf

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i like that saying

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lol im keeping that in my vocabulary now

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im the type of person who starts off with a good idea and then realizes how shit it is when im almost 99% done

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example: plume style lineart

pastel nimbus
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i heard once that when you flip the canvas, you are getting to see the drawing as someone who's never seen it before would view it. as you draw your brain makes like a hundred tiny corrections to the thing you're seeing, because it knows what it's supposed to look like. and when you flip the canvas it can't make those corrections anymore

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UGH i feel that about being 99% done

lament turtle
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like look close in the lineart

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im redrawing over the lineart

pastel nimbus
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also that drawing's super cute, i think the lineart looks nice

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coloured lineart always looks nice imo

lament turtle
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same

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i did it all brown and wonky

unreal stream
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Regarding WIPs, i feel like sharing them could give you a confidence boost

lament turtle
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and i realized some fingers looked like literal tentacles

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jwrfdnvk

pastel nimbus
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i stan canvas flipping

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a life saver

lament turtle
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now i have to fix the entire coloring bc

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well

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half of this coloring fits for the old lineart

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this is due in 3 days and i have another one to doooo aaaaa

pastel iris
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how to deliver criticism is different by places and countries anyway, if you found that comment annoying you can just put "Don't accept criticism unless I asked" in your art page I guess?

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I personally never shown any WIP in open public places like twitter, tumblr, etc. This server I still considered it semi public so I think it's okay to share it here. Sharing WIP in a big open site like twitter is kinda prone to art steal

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I don't even accept sketch only/lineart only/flat coloured commissions

ember narwhal
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flipping the canvas was a hardcore part of my drawing process until i had to start using photoshop.theres no easy way to do it in there

pastel iris
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dat moment you turned everything to shit when you flipped your canvas
it really happens alot on me GWjiangoNegaLUL

ember narwhal
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lmao same

lament turtle
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thats what just happened lol

pastel iris
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  1. draw like normally
  2. flips the canvas, sees mistake, managed fix it
  3. flips the canvas back, sees mistake again, managed to fix it
  4. flips the canvas again, sees mistake again, managed to fix it
    repeat
lament turtle
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me: draws something I think is nice
me: flips canvas
my brain: well fuck it looks like absolute dog shit now. It deserves to die in a fire. Delete this now.

tawny lynx
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drawing the other eye

mighty bronze
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That was funny but come on, you can do it UraCheer

lament turtle
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lmfao relatable

pastel iris
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drawing other eye is not that much problem

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drawing other eye in front-profile character is the pain

lament turtle
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^^ true

pastel iris
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wait no

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drawing a front profile character is the actual pain

ember narwhal
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drawing a front on character is the only type of face i can do xD

mighty bronze
pastel iris
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wow

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trying to make symmetrical stuff free-hand is just hard yaknow SDVpuffersweats

ember narwhal
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its a bitch yeah. i bet if i could flip itd look wonky af xD

devout bridge
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I flip my canvas like every few minutes πŸ˜₯

ember narwhal
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that's what i used to do lol

exotic wren
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question
for art contests- how do you track or art theft?
and- if tracing were a form of it, how would you track if an entry is traced?

ember narwhal
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for tracing depending on how the end result is you could probably reverse image search on Google to see if anything suspicious comes up

pastel nimbus
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this is going to sound potentially mean, and i really don't intend for it to sound that way but. when something is traced it's usually quite evident if you know what to look for

lament turtle
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you're 100% right

pastel nimbus
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i hope that doesn't sound rude but 😬

lament turtle
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it doesn't

pastel nimbus
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okay good flskfjk

exotic wren
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I didn't get rude from that at all

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but unless the style of the artist shifts a lot- I'm not sure what you mean by "it's evident"
unless I recognize the picture they traced.

ember narwhal
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well to me personally what ive seen is that the anatomy or traced thing looks really good, but then ecerything else not traced doesnt have the same level of technical skill

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or just looks weirdly off

pastel iris
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back then I used to trace my own hand, arm, leg quite many times lol

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and that's a valid form of tracing GWjiangoNegaLUL

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tracing another art is no

ember narwhal
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yeah thats acceltable. when you talk about tracing being bad its because they traced someone else artwork or photo

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yea

pastel iris
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if I remember it right

ember narwhal
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most times they also wont say they used a reference or anything.

pastel iris
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to detect a trace, you used an image that is close or similar enough to the suspected art, put it on transparent and match the lines

ember narwhal
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but some people do use tracing as a form of learning. but it shouldnt be used in final peices for commissions, contests etc. and the ref should always be sourced

pastel iris
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but still, be wary if you're trying to accuse someone of tracing

ember narwhal
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i wouldnt say anything unless you can get several artists to agree with you

pastel iris
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false accusation can lead to your own demise anyway

ember narwhal
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even if you cant confirm its a trace, you can still disqualify if they borrowed too heavily from references that they didnt have permission to use

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thats why everyones afraid of using reference

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but as long as youre not straight copying the image or composition youre fine

pastel iris
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well the thing is some artist might not care about permission for using art as reference or heavy reference

ember narwhal
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and this is really only an issue if you are doing work on contract or for payment

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it depends on the situation and what youre making the artwork for

pastel iris
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might be an issue if you used that for competitions, because alot of people's eyes are on your art

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for a contract between 2 parties is gonna be hard to difficult

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since only few peoples are involved

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but don't look at me as if I'm trying to justify tracing GWjiangoNegaLUL

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before I accuse someone of tracing tho, I'd ask another artist's opinions 1st, then confront the accused artist privately, if they still refuse to comply then there's no way but to publicize the proof

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some art tracers can be kids you know

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so I'd say direct publication of the proof isn't a wise move, without clarifying the accused artist themselves

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kids and noob artists are still learning, and mostly have no idea if tracing is allowed or not

mighty bronze
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Omg, I got through some of my old drawings and they didn't look wonky when I flipped them??? Maybe I was doing ok and it was just my lazy ass who gave up...

pastel iris
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lucky for you, because my old arts always turned to shit when flipped

urban minnow
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heh my old art has strange faces

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no idea what i was trying to go for back then

lament turtle
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my writing looks weird when flipped

mighty bronze
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Everything you do now is amazing Meed pish

urban minnow
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ty. i love your art too SDVemoteheart

pastel iris
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I mean you're not the only one mead

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though the difference is I know what I'm trying to go, but still looks crap .-.

urban minnow
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hah i definitely know that, it's nice when you see the progress you make

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with time you learn what methods work and which dont

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i'm still trying that with coloring

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(and most other stuff too)

pastel iris
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I've been trying to go with my style when I'm still using sai+krita, turns out to be quite difficult to be copied perfectly in CSP

mighty bronze
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Me doing art??? Pfft no, but maybe soon enough

pastel iris
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dat moment when people said copying other artist's style is hard, I can't even copy my own GWjiangoNegaLUL

mighty bronze
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Once again

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Trying new styles will define yours

urban minnow
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i feel you with csp

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it feels so weird that i barely use it

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sai is still my main choice

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my tablet doesnt mesh with csp well though

pastel iris
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I'm still trying to figure out the light theme for CSP lol

mighty bronze
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Why is that strange?

urban minnow
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sai's lack of a dark theme annoyed me so much i made an overlay for it SDVpuffersweats

pastel iris
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as much as I hate discord light theme, but when it comes about art software, I preferred light theme for some reasons

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probably that's because I was quite used to photoshop which is having no dark theme

urban minnow
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light themes just burn my eyes after drawing for a while

mighty bronze
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!!!

pastel iris
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I'm pretty much a practical person smook

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trying a new style isn't necessary for me unless I have time for it

mighty bronze
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Facts

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Also, I could never understand Photoshop besides editing images

pastel iris
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trying new style means I have to hold my commission inquiries, which is not a wise move unless if it's prepared

mighty bronze
pastel iris
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actually I can just go on using a different style but it risks a case like this

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which is the moment when your client files a chargeback because the item isn't as described GWpingKanyeLUL

mighty bronze
ember narwhal
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yeah doing that in the middle of commissions isnt a good idea

lethal belfry
mighty bronze
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the booty!!!!

ember narwhal
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yes she gave him a stupid good booty

tranquil comet
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is that like a drop or a projectile or summon?

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noice

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i havent done terraria sprites in ages though most of my sprites look like they'd be in terraria ;-;

lament turtle
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So i have a cover page for my school’s agenda due in three days, and so far i have this

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And i had a second idea, that I’d love to do but im so stressed ya know

pastel nimbus
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ohh it's for your school's agenda?? that's so cool

lament turtle
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thank you!1

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should i do the second idea too tho?

pastel nimbus
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what's the second one?

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i think what you have is so cute and would look great printed

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it's hard to make art that would look good printed but yours would look awesome imo

lament turtle
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aweee tysm elf that's really appreciated

pastel nimbus
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oooh that's very pretty too

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i think it would be faster to make, maybe? because there are fewer faces/characters

lament turtle
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my friends told me i should wrap up the first one and then do the second one

pastel nimbus
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do you have time to do both of them? maybe finish the more complex one first

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yeah!!

lament turtle
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alrighty!!

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oh!! does anyone here know procreate??

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bc im wondering if theres an option of keeping your brushes seperate per canvas

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bc if i switch from one canvas to another, im still using the same brush

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so if i change it then i change the previous brush

lament turtle
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@pastel nimbus sorry for the ping but i have a question relating to the drawing i showed u

ember narwhal
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fff ive been wanting to get back into drawing organic planty things so i think im gonna see if i can do a realistic drawing of the fictional types of flowers in this game

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starting with fairy rose uwu

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i think the only other fictional one is summer spangle?

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hmm

kindred scaffold
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Fairy Rose is actually real

ember narwhal
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WAT

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well it doesnst come in all the colors that stardew valley has so imma draw those

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and imma draw it to look more like the plant in game

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where its just a single stem instead of a bush

pastel nimbus
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ah hey @lament turtle sorry about that i was sleeping!

lament turtle
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its okie!!

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im unsure what type of lineart i should do for the sketch

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i have examples

pastel nimbus
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oh yeah let's see em!

lament turtle
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wait i thought my drawings uploaded lol

pastel nimbus
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oooh... i think with all the organic shapes you have going on, the soft coloured lineart would look really good!

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i'm certainly no expert of course, but that's my opinion!

lament turtle
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i also had the idea of doing a mix of the charming black lineart with soft coloured lineart!

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@pastel nimbus

pastel nimbus
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uuugh i napped again

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i think that could look awesome actually! great idea. maybe the black lineart for the more rigid/defined shapes like the buildings , and the softer lineart for softer organic shapes

lament turtle
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okie doki!

pastel iris
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anyone's using paypal business account? Just want to know, does paypal removes unarchived old invoices?

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the invoice during the 1st time I'm doing commissioned art is just gone SDVpufferthink

ember narwhal
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i cant remember if mine is a business one or not... i think it is??? lmao paypal confuses me ; = ;

pastel iris
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how come you don't know your paypal account type GWjiangoNegaLUL

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though it could be right paypal is confusing now

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if I remember it right some people said personal account cant make invoices

ember narwhal
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lmao all i do is log on to send ppl invoices xD

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oh then mine must be a business

pastel iris
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yet some people said personal account can make invoices as well πŸ’¦

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since I never had personal account so idk

urban minnow
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personal can do invoices too

ember narwhal
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mine's a personal account

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i think i keep it personal cause i also use it for personal reasons

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and also to buy stuff on steam xD

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i think a business account you can tie in with taxes and stuff like that, probably makes it easier when tax time comes around or smth

pastel iris
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well after I gave it a check

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I got myself confused with activity page and invoicing page lmao

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the invoice is still there, though the it has no activity record

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I also just read it in paypal forums and apparently your account info is shown to the recipient if you used personal account

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when you send out invoices

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business account uses the business name and email instead apparently

ember narwhal
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oh welp

lament turtle
pastel nimbus
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oooh it looks SO good!!

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so much detail

lament turtle
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Thank you! So do i continue with it for the roses?

ember narwhal
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idk if this person knows i used to draw voltron fan art and is trying to throw shade at me or just makes a habit of saying passive aggressive things that are completely irrelevant to the posts they comment on

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but either way this is funny to me

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idk if this belongs in this channel but i just thought it was funny to share xD

mighty bronze
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Why would they hate voltron anyway blobcatgooglyshrug

lament turtle
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^

pastel nimbus
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i think so dizzy!

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i really like it anyway

lament turtle
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Okie dokie

pastel nimbus
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looks so tidy and clean

lament turtle
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Ill do the soft outline for the skyscrapers and leaves

ember narwhal
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do they want a medal for telling a rando that they hate a thing?

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hehe

lament turtle
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not that i'm defending them but i'm pretty sure 'i hate it here' is from a meme

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Maybe for the banner too

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so it MIGHT be kind of in jest idk

ember narwhal
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lmao what

mighty bronze
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Yes, give them "I don't give a fuk"medal

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Too much to write on it tho

ember narwhal
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lol im just not gonna say anything

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its just kind of funny 2 me

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maybe i should tag them and be like no thats sdv art, my voltron art looks like this insert sheith pic

lament turtle
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lol

tranquil comet
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you ever just want to draw but cant find your frickin pen

ember narwhal
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mhm

sly pawn
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Love the colours!

ember narwhal
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does anyone uhhh.... want some nsfw of seb and my farmer in their dms..... if ur over 18..... its a wip..... am i even allowed to advertise that here LMAO

blissful geyser
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umm

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<@&239770080378880001> is this ok

ember narwhal
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; - ;

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idk how else to ask ppl

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u can delete it if its not allowed

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ccoo

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so yea dm if u want it =w =

lament turtle
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usually i'd lose my shit bc its seb but im 14 so no thank you 😌

ember narwhal
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lmao good call

onyx island
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Yay, responsible youth

lament turtle
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i dont want my image of seb to be ruined lmfao

kindred scaffold
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Is Seb a bottom? πŸ‘€

lusty hull
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arcadeThicc everyone has a bottom

ember narwhal
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yes hes a .... b

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havent you seen his sprite

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it has a big butt

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its hilarious and my favorite

lament turtle
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screaming

kindred scaffold
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I did not... 😳

ember narwhal
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its only in the hugging animation and the wedding animation

lament turtle
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if its gay then idrc what he is but if it's straight fanart then i'd say he's a top-- then again i have literally 0 knowledge in this shit so 🀷

ember narwhal
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for some reason in the smoking one he doesnt have the extra butt

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imo seb has bottom energy but thats also cuz my farmer is taller and buffer than him xD

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and yes its gay

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everything i do will always be gay mlm forever

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i dont care about anything else o-o

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i know what i like lmfao

lament turtle
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oh makes sense, idk much about the... gayverse

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the sdv gayverse

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lmfao

ember narwhal
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all i know is my farmer and seb are cute as heck

lament turtle
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i havent done my farmer x seb fanart in forever

ember narwhal
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thats all i really care about. thats the only part of the game i play it for xDDDDD

lament turtle
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i cant wait for the spring event cuz my art changed so much since the last event

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and i know what imma drw

kindred scaffold
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I'm gay so I automatically love all the gay Stardew Art SDVpufferblush

lament turtle
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idc if its gay or straight or whatever, if its stardew art i like it

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omg y'all wanna see my old ass sdv fanart of the beginning of last year

ember narwhal
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i use stardew as a dating replacement simulator . so xDDDDDD

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also yes post it

lament turtle
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lmfao

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my farmer looks flat as fUCC

ember narwhal
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i commend u for drawing a background

blissful geyser
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aw

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is cute

ember narwhal
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i like sams super saiyan hair

lament turtle
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thanks lmfaO

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i always did backgrounds, dunno why i would make myself struggle like that

kindred scaffold
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Is adorable

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Oh man... I wonder if I still have my first attempt at Sam.

lament turtle
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thank u destin!

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u can see the drastic change

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pupper

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then again that was 5 months ago and i still think im way better now

blissful geyser
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is that sword in the game?

lament turtle
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neptune's glaive

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so yes

blissful geyser
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aren't glaives like huge spears irl

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why's it a sword in the game smh

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@ concernedape explain yourself

kindred scaffold
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Great improvement SDVpufferwow

lament turtle
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lmfao idk i drew it how i felt it would be irl

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thank uuuu

onyx island
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Game literally unplayable now

lament turtle
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im hella proud of my improvent in terms of shading and hair

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like... i can...draw hair...wooooot

kindred scaffold
onyx island
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What is shading, I hardly know her LUL

lament turtle
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oooo i likey

kindred scaffold
lament turtle
kindred scaffold
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It looks so nice SDVpufferwow

lament turtle
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thank you! idk why but ive grown so fond of this way of drawing hair

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its all thanks to @ripe thicket <3 i wouldnt have improved so much without her help

ember narwhal
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ooh very nice

lament turtle
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:3

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also im exploring ways to draw eyes

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prolly gon make my own little tutorial book so i can remember

pastel nimbus
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wow dizzy you really improved!!

lament turtle
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thank u elf :3333

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also u can call me izzy!

sly pawn
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Does anyone have any tips for drawing arms because I just can't.

rain quartz
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thats a bit vague like that, whats your specific trouble with em?

sly pawn
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Well, basically I'm trying to draw proportionate arms. However, every time without fail they always look just... wrong. Like, the elbow positioning is always off and they're always too wide if you get what I mean. Like, the top part of the arm is too wide and looks wrong connected to the shoulders and then the bottom part is too skinny so it kinda looks like an upside-down triangle.

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if that makes any sense

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so it kinda looks like

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()

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()

ripe thicket
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I love the eyes and hair πŸ₯Ί SDVjunimolove Izzy I'm so happy to see how much you improve over time

lament turtle
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awww tysm eva I love you ❀️

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Tigerlily un

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Um*

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I can like

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Show u a sketch base to help u out?

sly pawn
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Yes please

nimble imp
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@sly pawn draw a rectangle for the upper arm and triangle for the forearm

lament turtle
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Cuz I have a certain way of doing it

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Okay gimme a couple minutes

sly pawn
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Okay, thank you so much!

lament turtle
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also lily im trying to make this as accurate as possible, im sorry if its not very 100% good

rain quartz
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for proportions id recommend checking out loomis's books or just the illustrations in them

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without a picture im not really sure how to explain the width, but with the elbow position its usually slightly higher than where your belly buttons is, like if you ever see a woman with a hourglass figure theres that dip where the width of their hips ends, its in line with that

sly pawn
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@lament turtle It's alright! I would just like to see an arm that actually look like an arm. Unlike mine lol.

lament turtle
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alrighty

sly pawn
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Okay

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Thanks Sofi!

rain quartz
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np! using a lot of refs can also help you better remember and understand proportions

sly pawn
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Yea!

lament turtle
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@sly pawn

sly pawn
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That looks SO GOOD I-

lament turtle
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i hope it helps!

sly pawn
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Okay thank you! That makes a lot of sense actually

lament turtle
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i sketched it out pretty quickly so it might be more or less accurate

sly pawn
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It looks fantastic tho!

lament turtle
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-< thank you! tell me if it helps :)

sly pawn
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It definitely does!

lament turtle
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im glad :)

sly pawn
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Now I see I've been drawing the top part wayyy too long

lament turtle
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oh i used to do that too lmaoo

rain quartz
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lower arm+hand should be about the same length as upper arm

sly pawn
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Okay

lament turtle
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^^

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thats why i always put lines

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the green lineart is the base sketch, and purple is how you shape it with the lineart

sly pawn
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Yeah

lament turtle
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usually the top seems longer but that's bc of the shoulder

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also make sure to always thin out the wrist and to make the skin near the elbow fold a bit more round if ya know what i mean

sly pawn
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I didn't realise how dainty female shoulders can be when they're not just a straight line slightly diagonally downwards

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Yea

lament turtle
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yup! i added arrows to show u that

rain quartz
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its good to use some forms for the torso too, ppl usually like to draw a ribcage shape and a vague pelvis shape but a ball and a 3d trapezoid can replace those 2 for simpleness sake

lament turtle
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i dunno if u can see the shapes i did

sly pawn
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I see what you mean

lament turtle
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ignore the weird ass hand

rain quartz
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i can see the shapes thats why im specifying form, its better to start with something 3d so you can visualize it better

lament turtle
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but using circles for the shoulders help me all the time

rain quartz
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always had a hard time with that so i really gotta force myself to think in 3d

lament turtle
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same xD

nimble imp
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Finna crash this party rn
Also, use flowy lines instead of straight lines πŸ‘

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Like, those arms looking hella stiff

lament turtle
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i know

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that was a quick guide

rain quartz
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i also like to draw the vague ribcage shape but add extra line to signal its 3d-ness

lament turtle
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to try and help lily out

storm meadow
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Flowy lines and dynamic poses yeah

nimble imp
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Ah gotcha

lament turtle
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i usually never draw as stiff and... robotic

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it was just to give her guidelines lmfao

rain quartz
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for proportions guides its better to draw it in a resting pose to show what you mean better

sly pawn
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Thank you guys for the help! It's really helpful to me. I can kinda get the basic likeness of a body, it's just trying to add life to it instead of having stiff lines and it looking so dead

lament turtle
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OH also keep in mind the knuckle line isn't straight

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it's like... a bit lower from the index to the pinky

nimble imp
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come join my triangle cult

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triangles are everywhere

lament turtle
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i always forget that and my hands end up looking wonky as HELL

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the face is triggering me bc i cant seem to do it right but the rest of the body seems to work well

rain quartz
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legs look too short imo, in a pose like that the thig comes up about collarbone height and the legs themselves are as long as torso+head

sly pawn
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hmmm.

lament turtle
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she's not holding her legs up to her body tho

sly pawn
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Okay okay, I've just been doing a sketch and it already looks better than before

rain quartz
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id say the head is a bit too big for the shoulder width too but that can work out as a stylization thing if you are going for a sort of chibi stlye

lament turtle
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they're further away from her chest

rain quartz
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legs are still short tho

lament turtle
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hmmm

rain quartz
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if she were to pull them all the way in theyd be about tity height

lament turtle
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i'll try to work on that, already started on the lineart so i'll have to modify that too but im sure i can do it

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you're right, i see it now!

rain quartz
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ayy

lament turtle
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also i see what you mean about the head, although i think it's mostly due to her having large hair

rain quartz
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also this is a lesser known proportional thing but when i heard it it blew my mind: your feet is as long as your fore arm (without hand)

sly pawn
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When drawing a head, is it better to draw the two cross lines first or the shape?

lament turtle
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shape

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always

rain quartz
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^

nimble imp
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^

sly pawn
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Okay, thank you!

lament turtle
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you can do a circle like i do or do a circle with a semi circle square for the chin

rain quartz
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the crosses are for making it easier to visualize it as a ball

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also guides for placement

sly pawn
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Yeah

nimble imp
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Also, you can never go wrong with triangles

lament turtle
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^

sly pawn
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I've been working on jawlines recently and I'm slowly improving

nimble imp
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Just fucken putem everywhere

sly pawn
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Why not lol

lament turtle
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well

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i mean

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triangles for hands

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the rest i do triangle x rectancles

sly pawn
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Oh flip. Hands I don't even want to talk about

lament turtle
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oh i could help u with hands

sly pawn
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At the moment I'm going through a phase of leaving them as blocks

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Please do

lament turtle
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hands are like... my proudest drawing skill lmfao

sly pawn
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It would be so appreciated

lament turtle
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along with hair but yea

sly pawn
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I love doing hair

nimble imp
sly pawn
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wOAh

lament turtle
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okay um imma pull u up a few sketches of hands to help u out and then i can show u in context

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holy shit nathex

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thats awesome

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also

sly pawn
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Flipping hell

lament turtle
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PROCREATE GANG

nimble imp
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Procreate gang πŸ˜„

sly pawn
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laughs in pencil and paper

nimble imp
sly pawn
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But im getting a drawing tablet soon

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so do not fear

lament turtle
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dw im a traditional chick

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i always do my sketches on paper first

sly pawn
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My other tablet went bust

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Awww yess traditional gang

nimble imp
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Paper feels so much better than my ipad since i dont have one of those fancy paper screen protectors

lament turtle
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^^^^^^^^^^^

nimble imp
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Feels like my pen isnt even touching the screen lmao

sly pawn
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ok I'm starting a sketch now

lament turtle
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SAME

sly pawn
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Lmao

lament turtle
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I HATE IT

nimble imp
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lmaooo

lament turtle
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okay lily ill make u a hand guide!

nimble imp
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Lily

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Triangles

sly pawn
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Yesss please

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Yes?

lament turtle
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it might take me longer than the other guide but imma try

nimble imp
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EVERYWHERE

sly pawn
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O k

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Will do.

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I'll just throw them left right and centre

lament turtle
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i mean i'd suggest using a variety of shapes

nimble imp
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Yeah that’s probably smart

lament turtle
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rectancles are good for the main body

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circles for joints

sly pawn
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Yeah

nimble imp
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but its getting lonely here in my triangle cult
triangle cult population: me