that's cute
#creative-discussion
bronze rivet
mortal hornet
KMS
lament turtle
^_^
bronze rivet
tickles my gay little heart.
real void
gosh im smiling so much blueberry thats so cute,,
lament turtle
I’m glad u like it
bronze rivet
Can I save it blueberry?
mortal hornet
me is such mad
limpid hemlock
lament turtle
Me*^^
mortal hornet
not me
lament turtle
Go ahead and save it
mortal hornet
i could facking commit slap self
lament turtle
Dude r u ok
lament turtle
Ok, so please stop
mortal hornet
with a passion
void ravine
for your art
lament turtle
If U do not like it u don’t have to ruin it for others
lament turtle
^
candid citrus
ignore and move on lads
tidal nova
(also you have to report to bouncer when someone is bothering you)
(faster than pinging)
slate yoke
Whup
real void
it says you can dm bouncer if you dont want to ping the junimo but both work!!
mortal hornet
k yay thanks bot
lament turtle
Please calm down lonely
slate yoke
I'm too used to doing direct mod pings I totally forgot that was how it worked
unkempt tinsel
hey i've been a bit afk but drop the subject now
mortal hornet
seems like saying commit slap self is bad
kind surge
this is not the appropriate channel to bring up private dms, please dm Bouncer if you wish to discuss it 🙂
slate yoke
Thank you Jade
lament turtle
This is some self destructive attitude type stuff
real void
thank you danny and jade!! 💙
unkempt tinsel
everyone should move on
real void
yeah!!
ebon briar
Thank you! It can definitely be discouraging to see that sorta stuff
serene radish
(mod pings and bouncer is just as fast btw, just gonna squeeze that in here before moving the topic)
ebon briar
I want to
tidal nova
Lovely hair to draw
ebon briar
Smooch elliott
serene radish
Elliott is ok but shane tho
mint skiff
@lament turtle That Ocean Guy
hot river
Also we need more haley art!
real void
oh did you have those tips for drawing penny's hair?? cause uh 😅 hahahah
limpid hemlock
That fabio looking bastard I love em
bronze rivet
http://prntscr.com/n9sap6 Let's relax and admire fox baby~
real void
bABy,,,,,
bronze rivet
bABS
ebon briar
I'm gonna draw some self ship with morris yeehaw
tidal nova
Cinnamon rolls sleepy
limpid hemlock
Uuuh floofy but wavy I guess? Her hair curls aroudn the edges
slate yoke
(Thank you Bee, I've gotten responses from pings before so I figured that was the best way to go but now I know both are valid)
tidal nova
Draw two cinnamon rolls
lament turtle
lament turtle
There^_^
tidal nova
No u
lament turtle
I’m gonna draw Elliot as a girl
lament turtle
okfjdksofksmmfpsps
slate yoke
I GOT IT
real void
elliot,,,, trans
slate yoke
Girl Elliott has short hair
limpid hemlock
NICE
slate yoke
Her hair reminds me of noodles
ebon briar
Y'know what a personal pet peeve is
bronze rivet
she reminds me of a squid girl from splatoon
slate yoke
AHHH A WOOMY
limpid hemlock
Aw I love her dress!!
bronze rivet
inkling!
tidal nova
Woomy
lament turtle
I love dreads 💕💕💕 they’re so cute
bronze rivet
thats it
lament turtle
I love Antila yall she's soo cute
tidal nova
(my pfp is a splatoon OC)
ebon briar
When people do gender swaps but always make them the most stereotypically fem/masculine as they can. Like its chill but I'd like to see like a mtf gender swap who is a tomboy stuff like that
tidal nova
(uwu)
lament turtle
This is her OG ref sheet
Glow eyes that dont work
I think that’s just because when a swap is done they’re trying to do the exact opposite of the gender they’re swapping
ebon briar
Like as a GNC man I'd love to see like more non conforming gender swaps
slate yoke
I think the issue with swaps normally is the fact that people make them as attractive as possible
ebon briar
Or even NB swaps
slate yoke
Instead of adhering to the character's personality
lament turtle
^^
real void
im personally only really fond of genderswaps if its like trans girl character or trans boy character
lone mountain
eh as lonh as the artist is having fun designing and being tasteful i dont see an issue
slate yoke
Agreed
ebon briar
Like give me more non conforming gender swaps
real void
good post morris
lament turtle
Genderswaps are so much fun- When my dad was in highschool, they had powderpuff games of Football and he was a cheerleader for the game and the cheerleaders played football I love just imagining bunches of characters doing that
lone mountain
why dont you make some
lament turtle
I used to be a quarterback LMAO
ebon briar
Just because a character is now female doesnt mean they have to be feminine in every single way
bronze rivet
Genderswaps help you expand your art as well, go into territory you might be unfamiliar with.
real void
anyway!! i gotta try drawing some lesbians peace out yall
ebon briar
Yeehaw
lament turtle
Peace
My dad never told me what he was, but I know he stood in the line thats behind the dude in the middle 🤔
ebon briar
Yes u go draw lesbians 👏 🏳️🌈
lament turtle
anyway yes make some lesbians have fun
bronze rivet
draw all the lesbians!
slate yoke
Yeehaw yo
lament turtle
:)) Q (Character that goes with Antila) is Ace,,, and Antila is Bi and i LVOE them all
its not really sexuality there its just love tho
ebon briar
But I will say even personally thoigh sometimes I am a bit spooked w/ drawing some male characters more femme cause I fear going into stereotype territory
lone mountain
as long as ur not on RCDart levels 👀
ebon briar
Like I hc morris as a gay guy who is very slightly femme and I'm a little spooked to give him like nail polish n stuff
M gonna fight rcdart
slate yoke
Go for it
Do what you want to do
There's stereotypes with everything. As long as the character isn't being used as a joke you're fine
lament turtle
I think that people should be allowed to identify and live however they want
You get one life
lone mountain
preach
slate yoke
Personally I only take issues with stereotypical depictions of characters when they clearly come from a place of ignorance or are being used to insult a group of people
lament turtle
Me: Makes this copy and paste ref sheet
Me, in the future: why did you do that to them, Lawli and Acrimonia do not have the big booties that you give them
slate yoke
You should be whoever you damn well want to be. Don't worry about "passing"
People who care about that shit aren't worth your time
lament turtle
^^^^
ebon briar
Dysphoria yeehaw
slate yoke
Yeehaw
ebon briar
When I get my Man Juice then maybe I'll try
unkempt tinsel
a little belated but i like genderbends a lot design wise
slate yoke
Same
unkempt tinsel
changing a whole character i'm not a fan of unless it's just a new character heavily inspired
slate yoke
Conceptually they're interesting
unkempt tinsel
like i don't like the genderbend mod for sdv that much for that reason but i still appreciate the design behind it
ebon briar
Like genderbends can be cool
slate yoke
S/o to that "genderbend" mod that's just the bachelors with massive mammaries
lament turtle
Dude I feel sOOO bad when I say wrong pronouns but then I think 'Heck this, they don't care and know it was mistake'
Usually I'll introduce them(person coming to my head) as the correct pronouns
Mammaries me too
ebon briar
But when they're done as just
slate yoke
Please 👏 stop 👏 being 👏 horny 👏 when 👏 designing 👏 characters
ebon briar
"Character but a hot girl"
mint skiff
M
unkempt tinsel
eh i'm not gonna criticize it for that, it's not really nice to the mod creator
i can appreciate the effort but i still have my individual issues about it
ebon briar
And also this will be a controversial opinion but it can kinda get into like... gatekeeping territory? Gatekeeping isnt the right word but I cant think of the right word. It kinda like reinforces "this is what a girl is this is what a boy is"
slate yoke
I actually have no idea what mod we're talking about ngl
ebon briar
"No variance"
lament turtle
Easy? Feminine? Have you even TRied not giving big bookos???
Gender swap Elliot ^_^
ebon briar
Again I'm bad with words
slate yoke
Awww
lament turtle
awkdjfiuegf
native swallow
Woah that's a good asf gen swap
slate yoke
Elliott if he was a 1920s suffragette
ebon briar
Alexa
native swallow
Abigail, though I bet it's been done
slate yoke
Leah
lament turtle
Do it*
ebon briar
Tomboy sam
slate yoke
She's my favorite Bachelorette
lone mountain
^
lament turtle
I DONT KNOW WHO TO DO
slate yoke
Leahhhhh
native swallow
^
ebon briar
I want to see genderswaps that include nb characters too
lament turtle
I tend to see "I only like ____ characters if they are well written" a lot and I lowkey don't like that argument
slate yoke
I think the issue with NB genderswaps is that there's no real understood definition of what that would be
Androgyny is such a wide spectrum of things that it's hard to do and ensure that the drawing is coded as NB instead of masculine or feminine.
ebon briar
I mean really there is no like "this is what an nb person looks like" someone can be femme/masc and still be nb
lament turtle
^
ebon briar
Not all nb people are androgynous
slate yoke
No I agree 100% morris
lone mountain
prob cause majority of people are cis and dont understand nb stuff
slate yoke
But I think that's part of why there's no proper NB swaps, since it isn't well understood and literally anything could be NB
lone mountain
if you want a certain type of content, you gotta be the change you want to see
ebon briar
I'm like in class atm so I'm rlly bad with words rn lmao
bronze rivet
I agree with Jev.
slate yoke
That and like Jev said, cis folk don't fully get it
ebon briar
But yeah I'll delete all I've said
bronze rivet
Like most don't and they easily dismiss it into being not real, fake, attention seeking.
slate yoke
I've actually sincerely considered making Jackson trans but as a cis dude I'm hesitant because I don't know if what I'd do is tasteful or proper
lament turtle
It’s ok as long as it is stereotypical or anything like that
lament turtle
^
lone mountain
if it fits ur narrative sure
ebon briar
Honestly go for it if you want to. Really just avoid sexualizing (at least him being trans specifically) or stereotyping
unkempt tinsel
do hwat you enjoy
bronze rivet
If it looks right to you, that's all that matters.
ebon briar
A character doesnt 'need a reason' to be trans either
unkempt tinsel
you don't have to be trans to have a trans character either
lament turtle
^^^^^^^
ebon briar
Lmao I was super hesitant to make my oc a transguy for the same reason then 4 months later turns out I was self projecting
lone mountain
also true
lament turtle
What Morris said
slate yoke
Oh I know that stuff, I'm just worried that part of the usage plot wise would be seen as tasteless
bronze rivet
As a writing thing, they kind of do need a reason of how and why they're trans- but if it's just art, usually writing a backstory is thrown out the window anyway.
lone mountain
the thing tho that no matter what ur gonna get trans people offended by it if your not trans yourself
its a slippery slope
ebon briar
As long as its handled tastefully I dont see an issue. If you're unsure on anything that could be considered controversial or you're unsure of -
slate yoke
Would you all say "divide between mother and son because son is a transguy" is too cliche and simplistic? That's my worry
I don't want to look like I'm oversimplifying an issue
lament turtle
I think because it is such a popular situation that is commonly used in the media people think that it is the case with everybody
slate yoke
That's the thing yeah, it comes off as stereotypical
bronze rivet
The media likes to blow things up bigger than they really are.
ebon briar
Though it's like everything you're gonna have someone who takes issue with it
slate yoke
That and the idea of a twist being "character is trans" feels....tacky I guess?
ebon briar
If it's about mother son divide specifically that is a real thing that happens
lone mountain
you dont even have to address it and they can still be trans
bronze rivet
Like yes, it does exist but it doesn't make it the only reason why a trans guy is trans.
^^ like jev said
if it's just art
don't have to address it
if it's a writing piece, you do.
slate yoke
If I went with this it would have to be addressed due to the plot I'm writing. I would love to just totally ignore it but the plot doesn't allow that :U
ebon briar
Eh not really 'tacky' and again a character doesnt need a reason to be trans. If it needs to be explained, well, character would have gender dysphoria/euphoria
slate yoke
Note that I have no intention of explaining it at all if I do decide to go with this idea, because I don't feel like that's necessary
No need to "rationalize" a character being trans
lament turtle
Is it just me or is it not appealing when for example a movie is like “this is john. He’s a high school and he plays sports. But there’s one thing no one knows. He’s GAY”
slate yoke
That's the example I was comparing against yeah
bronze rivet
Okay, as a writer myself, @slate yoke Do tons of research. Read blogs about a man becoming a woman, or a woman becoming a man. Avoid news articles.
slate yoke
Because that's tacky
ebon briar
Oh in that case yeah
slate yoke
I enjoyed Love Simon but eeeehhhhhhccccckkkk
I have a transgal friend I was planning to consult with
bronze rivet
Love Simon is very good. I loved it-
lament turtle
Well you just described it
ebon briar
A character can be just trans and while it can have effect on their character it should never be like a big 'twist
lone mountain
def consult
bronze rivet
And explain that it isn't in an offensive way, you just want to know the process. When they knew. How did they know.
slate yoke
I've always subscribed to the idea that characters start writing themselves after a certain point so that's why I bring it up at all
lament turtle
slate yoke
Leo!
bronze rivet
Some do say it starts when they're a kid.
lament turtle
How do you do it so fast
real void
yeah i agree characters dont need a "reason" to be trans. if you want it to be part of their character development thats cool!! but sometimes theyre just trans and thats good too
bronze rivet
Usually the "reason" is how they realized they're not the same gender they were born with.
lone mountain
emily
slate yoke
Emile
real void
its just not usually like an "oh this happened" thing though
slate yoke
Haley-Harold
real void
it might not ever even come up
bronze rivet
No, no. They usually just question why they like to wear certain things, why they hate the thing between their legs.
real void
not all trans people have dysphoria about their body though
lament turtle
Didn't we just say something about generalizing the trans community
bronze rivet
It's usually "why am I this way" and they realize they're trans come teenager years and usually continues on.
slate yoke
That feels like a generalization for sure yeah
real void
again i think you CAN explain it if you want for writing characters but you dont NEED to explain it
candid citrus
i thought the issue was about tokenisation and not having a trans character exist purely because they’re trans
bronze rivet
See as a writer though, you do need to explain. At least a little.
candid citrus
not necessarily
real void
not really no
bronze rivet
Even if it's something so simple as "I knew something was off when I was little."
real void
not really,,,
it can even just be briefly mentioned that their trans from like, the mention of the binder or someone going like "oh he uses he/him now" you know
*theyre
bronze rivet
But that can lead to a jarring story-
lament turtle
It sucks that the stereotypical pitfalls are just exponentially amplified
candid citrus
honestly it really depends on context and what you’re writing about
bronze rivet
A sudden information jump shocks readers.
lone mountain
well for me personally i just lived how i did and then in high school i was like OH when i learned it existed
real void
yeah
lone mountain
it can all be different
real void
like when i read books and a character is only mentioned to be trans by small mention it makes me super happy!!
ebon briar
Kinda not really? It depends on like
ebon briar
Is the characters trans status a large focus of the story
ebon briar
For my character not really, he kinda just ... is trans
lone mountain
^
bronze rivet
Again, I've been writing for years now and taking online courses for creative writing. Sudden info dumps are a nono.
real void
info dumps arent the same as saying a character is trans
a character being trans shouldnt HAVE to be a big revelation you know
lament turtle
unkempt tinsel
yeah it doesn't have to be a big plot point
candid citrus
yeah why is someone being trans considered a sudden info dump though 🤔
lament turtle
Sorry bout the yellow thing it’s from a painting
real void
:0
ebon briar
Yeah
unkempt tinsel
it's just life for most people i imagine
ebon briar
And awww I love em
real void
yeah!!
lament turtle
It’s gender swap Emily TwT
lone mountain
pretty much what jade said
ebon briar
Yeah when I tell my employers or teachers that I'm trans it isnt like a big shock infodump for them
unkempt tinsel
i understand it can be tough because you want to have solid representation so you want to make it obvious, but sometimes just going about it normally is the best thing to do
bronze rivet
It's a piece of information that is suddenly placed in the lap of a reader. And usually those info dumps are mid-story and suddenly it jars the readers, making them focus on that point.
unkempt tinsel
really it depends on what you want to achieve though
real void
it depends on your audience man
devout bridge
We're making nature plates and now I wanna make a nopal druid
unkempt tinsel
i think having a lot of friends to reference helps as well
devout bridge
Oh boy what I miss
lament turtle
dancin~
bronze rivet
Yes, having a lot of friends to help reference will definitely help.
candid citrus
very cool !!
real void
like if youve read shaun david hutchinson's works he knows hes working with an lgbt audience so saying a character is trans is just like "oh thats a neat little fact" you know
bronze rivet
But the question is, was that mid or late story?
if it was placed early on, yes acceptable.
lament turtle
i think it is hard to convey to the reader that it is not tokenization
real void
i just dont think it has to be "explained' or anything is all
slate yoke
Currently interviewing a few of my trans friends about this
candid citrus
if you've got it in your mind that revealing a character to be trans is a big deal and that it needs extensive explanation then i think maybe you're going about it the wrong way . perhaps
lament turtle
Usually when I make characters gay I do not even say it
bronze rivet
Not extensive explanation.
real void
yeah i see it the same way as making characters gay
it doesnt need an explanation they just,, Arwe
are
gender is just gender u know!! doesnt have to mean anything unless u make it
ebon briar
It depends a lot on context and tone too ^^^
real void
yeah!!
candid citrus
yea ! ^
bronze rivet
Just it's a little jarring to be like "Oh hey, I'm trans now!" late or mid story is just a little jarring.
If it was lead up to the point, them noticing something isn't right. Confused even. Until finally realizing that they're trans (it doesn't have to even be a main plot point but this is how to properly show character development.) towards the end of the story.
real void
i dont think its jarring really though i know some people might
candid citrus
i think we're all on different pages with this discussion about trans characters im gonna be honest
real void
maybe i just think that because most of my friends are trans and i myself am bigender but!!! its nothing to make a big deal of you know
slate yoke
I think my big concern at the moment is less "character is trans" and more "using outing someone as a conflict"
real void
im glad we can have a civil discussion about this though
slate yoke
Yeah it's rly nice
real void
even if we might have different opinions
slate yoke
And useful
bronze rivet
Well, let's see. If you're going to change the character's conflict, you might have to change their wants.
slate yoke
It's not really a change of conflict because the prior plot point was veeeery similar
The real difference is that an outing has a bit more.....oomph? I guess that's the word? The impact is stronger than the prior concept
candid citrus
see if your writing is based on the idea that a character is trans & their personal journey through that of course you need to provide an explanation ! thats the point ! but if their conflict is about something else , then it isn’t entirely necessary
slate yoke
(Note that I am not considering making Jackson trans JUST to give that more impact)
slate yoke
(The consideration was born from literally just thinking "he might be trans")
bronze rivet
Then instead of making him fully trans
make him in that limbo
he's unsure.
Have him experiment with himself.
real void
lgbt representation is complicated but most of the time authors who are LGBT themselves do just a fine job friom what ive seen
so thats cool
bronze rivet
And then later on if you decide this is him, make him trans.
slate yoke
Oh no if I went with this he would be a transitioned transguy
bronze rivet
So he's fully transitioned?
slate yoke
And would technically have always existed within the story as one
bronze rivet
Okay, changes a lot of it then. I thought he was in the process.
slate yoke
I don't trust myself enough as a writer to write an in transition character I'm afraid
ebon briar
But yeah honestly I decided that my character it wasnt like pivotal to his character but honestly the explanation for "why" is he had dysphoria and transitioned. Hes just a guy who happens to be trans and that's fine
bronze rivet
If he's fully transitioned, it doesn't need to be mentioned at all. Well unless he finds a lover.
real void
yeah!!!
bronze rivet
Then he will need to say "I am transgender. I was once a female/male"
real void
i have an oc kydo whos very openly trans and hes just a funky lil trans guy u know!!
it was never part of his development as a character
slate yoke
So here's the reason I even mention it:
There would be a moment where a phone call with his mother reveals it since she refuses to use his new name
Someone would maliciously out him
Based on what I've written so far #1 would have to happen
#2 does not have to
bronze rivet
1 is more likely.
ebon briar
Yeah!!! While my character isnt super open about it (at least as far as hes been written) I've seen other trans ppl both irl and in fiction be very open about it and those are both valid takes
real void
yeah!!
bronze rivet
But so is 2
slate yoke
The more I think on it the more I'm not 100% comfortable with even considering 2, but I'm waiting to hear some feedback from my friend
Because #2 could just go back to the first point of conflict I had in mind
bronze rivet
But again, have fun with your character. I have my original "Annie" tucked away (she doesn't fit in the SDV world.) and I've edited her so much.
slate yoke
Imo a malicious outing is just too much to forgive and I don't really want to force him to forgive someone who does something that shitty
ebon briar
And yeah deadnaming and stuff does happen often and can be a source of conflict
bronze rivet
I mean hell, my own mother refuses to use my masculine name when I'm having one of my d a y s
real void
if you DO want to make a trans character's status as trans a big part of development it should be noted that not all trans boys were tomboyish before!! my brother went through a big problem where he forced himself to like bright rainbow things and "girly" stuff to try and feel like his assigned gender
slate yoke
Ok I think I'm set on what I want to do now. #1 will happen but #2 will not
No malicious outing because I want to actually redeem that character and don't want to force Jackson to forgive someone who would do that
ebon briar
And also remember not all trans ppl medically transition!
real void
^^
ebon briar
Many do but some choose not to
bronze rivet
@slate yoke By the way, it can take years to develop a story character properly ^^
so no need to rush it.
bronze rivet
God, same. Been writing since I was two.
ebon briar
My oc is like... 39? He socially transitioned when he was 11 yet and medically in his 20s but didnt touch any surgeries cause he didnt feel they were right for him
lament turtle
I like it Fable
slate yoke
So decision is made! Jackson is a transguy
ebon briar
Hell yeah!!!
lament turtle
As much as I'd rather be a silent observer to your story, I can't help but listen
haha
real void
my most relevant trans oc is only 16 and hes lived alone in the mountains his whole life but he can access pretty much whatever he wants as far as material objects go
slate yoke
It's all good Solo
bronze rivet
My OC Annie, I have a picture of her somewhere, I'm sure you've all seen. She's a pansexual woman. But it's never stated because the current person she's with is a man. And she's never really had time to explore with relationships.
slate yoke
I can't help but openly discuss and workshop ideas, which is why i try to remain somewhat vague with specific details
real void
hes pretty casual about his transition though and tends to wear baggy sweatshirts so he can avoid binding and fucking up his ribs lmao
ebon briar
And remember too not all trans guys are short and not all trans girls are tall. It actually depends a lot on the age they started transitioning but not entirely ((though I decided to make my oc like a 6'6 lanky dude yrehaw))
real void
good post morris
ebon briar
And YES DO NOT SHOW HIM BINDING WITH ACE BANDAGES
real void
yEAH
slate yoke
Jackson was short well before this was even considered lol
slate yoke
I just always pictured him as a short guy
ebon briar
I mean u can if u want but most people only bind w bandages if they're VERY DESPERATE
But I feel if Jackson was able to transition then he would hopefully have access to a binder
real void
my poor friends use double sports bras because theyre not out
slate yoke
Current thoughts are that he's had top surgery but not bottom, he's on T, and that's that. No need to actually even address any of that in the story anyway imo
devout bridge
My trans dude oc is a tiny shit cause I need that vertically challenged relatability lmaoo
bronze rivet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461748583511621633/538507194258292752/JPEG_20190125_185126.jpg Here she is! With her man.
ebon briar
I self project the height onto morris
slate yoke
Awww
lament turtle
I guess my last comment was right then! I wondered what else was weighing on his shoulders
real void
kydo is tiny but thats because the whole family is tiny
native swallow
What happened to her back oof
real void
kydo is 5'2" and his mother is only 5'
bronze rivet
She's extremely self-conscious and doesn't know how to love anyone.
slate yoke
It was just a sexuality concern before but now we've expanded horizons some
lament turtle
Retro, comments like that are generally frowned upon
ebon briar
Nym is who I want to be. 6'6 big bug friend
Morris is who I probably will be. Chubby manlet grocery store manager
bronze rivet
Oh, her... well basically part of her race kidnapped her away from her sisters. They planned to kill her, found out they could use her blood to make more impure nephlims, but it wasn't solid and failed a lot.
So at the age of 10 they physically beat her, whipped her, burned her.
real void
avoids drawing hand holding like a fucken nerd
lament turtle
I guess I misread the connotation then
slate yoke
Hand holding is lewd
real void
also drawing hands sucks ass and im too tired for that shit man
bronze rivet
She eventually escaped around the age of 27.
devout bridge
Eat hands to gain their powers
real void
i live up to my name
slate yoke
I've been working on drawing hands with all my recent stuff
bronze rivet
And now her scars are a permanent thing of her body.
slate yoke
I will never draw a realistic hand ever
real void
also sketching everything on the same layer because im living on the edge B)
devout bridge
Damb
bronze rivet
As you could tell in the drawing, she looks pretty uncomfortable, she hates having them visible to the world for all to see.
real void
originally i was gonna draw them sitting on a bench but then i said fuck benches
pastel iris
eats hands
http://i.imgur.com/TEqv0.gif
candid citrus
why is she wearing an open back dress then
pastel iris
still I can't draw hands 😦
real void
i can sooorta??
ebon briar
Me eating all ur ideas
devout bridge
Big oof I gotta work on zine things or perish
real void
this one was a quick sketch but,,, Hand Is There
slate yoke
Hmm yeah an open backed dress on someone conscious about back scars feels like a strange design choice imo
bronze rivet
@candid citrus she was forced into it because in the story I'm writing she had to go to a black-tie gala for a meeting.
real void
peace hands are the easiest hands to draw imo
lament turtle
Oh they were talking about the scars
ebon briar
God I gotta
bronze rivet
It wasn't her decision, she hates it and is uncomfortable.
ebon briar
Work on examples cause I'm applying for a zine this week
pastel iris
all hand poses are hard, I always looking at references
real void
oh fuck yeah gl dude!!!
i like never use references for ANYTHING except character designs
im a fuckin wreck
ebon briar
Babbies first zine (that didnt have the organizer ditch with the money I'm still salty about that)
bronze rivet
Funfact: the guy in the drawing has the same scars but they're recent. He's lucky he gets to wear a suit. xD
pastel iris
sleep if you didn't use reference for that hand you've drawn before then you're awesome 😮
pastel iris
if I draw it without reference it's just look like the character got amputees lmao
real void
oh thanks fam jkfhdfkjg
pastel iris
well perhaps not amputees, it's just.. ugh
pastel iris
abomination ;\
real void
Living On The Edge
unkempt tinsel
awww cute
real void
i was going to draw her left hand differently but then i said fuck fingers
real void
jkdjfgj yeah
bronze rivet
I have him somewhere hold on
real void
her name is lyra
pastel iris
and you called yourself wreck? look at that hands man :/
slate yoke
Sup I can't read
real void
its MUCH easier to tell here that i fucking winged it lmaooo
unkempt tinsel
looks like you learned fine to me
bronze rivet
I might have to go to wattpad to find them.
pastel iris
by the way what does 'winged' means in this context lmao
real void
i just
unkempt tinsel
i think it just means go for it
pastel iris
been figuring out before
real void
no lookin at my own hand
pastel iris
and dat is definitely not a wreck
real void
my trademark as of late is abusing the watercolor brush by the way
im addicted
i keep using it even though i only like how its turned out one (1) time
unkempt tinsel
those brushes can be fun
real void
they CAN
onyx island
afaik "winging" something means improvising
unkempt tinsel
going with ur kokoro
real void
(spoilered for body horror due to sporadic eye placement) this is the only watercolor brush piece ive done that matters actually
and i only used it gently here hahahaha
pastel iris
although maybe I could wing it if the hands are forming fist 
unkempt tinsel
very pretty
real void
idk man like
i sorta go with this sorta shape for starting the hand
and then go from there
native swallow
@lament turtle Erm... Why are they frowned upon? I was going to follow it up with asking if it was a metaphorical thought about the expression of feelings, but I didn't get around to it... I was legitimately just asking, sometimes it helps people to get the thoughts out of their head...
lament turtle
No no, the image didnt embed so I didnt know you were talking about the scars
A whoopsie on my end
bronze rivet
It's actually not a metaphorical thought btw. @native swallow It's part of her body.
real void
this hand is awful but hrhrhrhgh
lament turtle
I thought you were criticizing the way it was drawn for a second
bronze rivet
I WISH I COULD DRAW HANDS
real void
it looks fucking wack yo
lament turtle
My bad mate
real void
i dont know ive never had tooooo much trouble with hands but thats probably because i have long spindly fingers so i can imagine them well in my mind
bronze rivet
I'll snag dawn in a moment and get into what he is and she is
ebon briar
o shit we talking about water brush
pastel iris
that's not awful at all imo, especially if you draw it without references or traces
ebon briar
All the colouring on my yoshis was done just w/ the Fluffy Watercolour brush from the Medibang Cloud
bronze rivet
https://d.wattpad.com/story_parts/451623531/images/1526f7b00e5af47b704889185392.jpg here she is, here's dawn.
Okay. So Dusk and Dawn are spirits.
ebon briar
posting just crops sry but it gets some nice results and i rely on it maybe a bit too much
vagrant acorn
real void
i think my watercolor brush looks different because i use just,,, firealpaca but
that looks SUPER cool
ebon briar
are you using 'fluffy watercolor' specifically?
real void
theres only one watercolor brush on default firealpaca hahaha
this is what it looks like when i use it
thats light usage but
bronze rivet
Dusk is a dead demon, dawn a dead angel. In my story demons and angels don't technically "die" they are reborn. These two were lovers in the past and it stuck with them into their afterlife.
The fucked up thing is, those are Annie's parents. She doesn't know it. She bound them to blades to keep them from drifting off to their lands to be reborn.
ebon briar
ohhh that brush yeah i liked it for blending for a lot
real void
ive been having a lot of fun experimenting with it lately even if it looks bad lmao
slate yoke
Morris
bronze rivet
Her story is rather sad the more I think about it. But she's a fighter.
slate yoke
Your Yoshi's give me life
ebon briar
ty uwu
im sad that theyve been selling so slow at events but hopefully the next event in july theyll do well
wip but yeah the fluffy watercolour has become my detail brush
real void
oh fuck,,,
young pantherBOT
(@real void You leveled up to Farmer. You're now a prettier shade of blue. Thanks for sticking around!)
real void
oh snap
ebon briar
I was expecting him to take up more of the pin which is why his tail is whack
I was expecting it to be cut off
welcome to farmer uwu
real void
theres a "fluffy" brush on firealpaca but its not watercolor and theres no option to make it one
ty :>
devout bridge
Big q: does anyone here go to SCAD
😩 if anyone does can u DM me cause a fish tryina plan their future lmao
lone mountain
marker brush is bae
ebon briar
Is there any specific reason ur using firealpaca as opposed to medibang?
They're basically the same software and its made by the same ppl
@real void
FireAlpaca and Medibang do have some differences but theyre small things
bronze rivet
I screwed up a fox tail. I wanna cry. Now I have to go back and make sure it's all right.
ebon briar
FireAlpaca supports really, really limited 8 fps gif animations by using layers as frames
Medibang has cloud stuff and autosaves
Medibangs cloud stuff is either JP or Korean focused though so a lot of it is poorly translated iirc?
Medibang has more brush customization options
Medibang does have ads though on startup. Three windows pop up when you open Medibang. One is Medibang, one is the login (which you can close if you don't want to bother with it) and one is an amazon or manga ad that you can also close
ebon briar
The ads aren't intrusive and don't appear after you close them
real void
oh fuck sorry i was drawing kdjhfdkjh
ebon briar
o sick til
ur good lmao
also medibang has d a r k a e s t h e t i c
Medibang can also save things as 'tiff' files
bronze rivet
why???
stable elbow
bronze rivet
that hurts my eyes
ebon briar
Medibang also has good support for manga stuff
real void
anyway i COULD get custom brushes for firealpaca and ive even made them myself!!
ebon briar
Like built in formatting tools plus text box stuff etc etc
rich delta
idk if firealpaca has some back cloud save because i've had my compy crash before and then restarted it, rebooted firealpaca, and then it asked if i wanted to resume the file i was working on even though i had never saved it while working on it. it reloaded where i was to the last brush stroke, even
real void
i just havent really bothered much toying with it
bronze rivet
http://prntscr.com/n9t2v5 anyway, nasty pixel...
real void
yeah firealpaca does have a bit of data saving!!
bronze rivet
real void
ive never had trouble with firealpaca and i started using it because a youtuber i liked used it and it was free jfghdkjfhd
bronze rivet
fixed pixel!
ebon briar
medibang also has halftone support
bronze rivet
I noticed it while I was doing the dark base version
rich delta
i started using it because a webcomic i followed at the time uses it and does fairly well with it
ever since i only use SAI for doodles when i used to use it all the time lmao
ebon briar
also bucket tool is a lot better in medibang
bronze rivet
and I think I did it only to the bun version-
real void
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ebon briar
Which might not seem like much but when I do my watercolour effect to avoid it bleeding everywhere
real void
ive had friends that have used both and said theyre pretty much identical hahaha
ebon briar
White bucket fill tool, pop a layer on top w/ clipping to do the watercolours
bronze rivet
yep, abby pigtails is fine
rich delta
watercolour? ;o
ebon briar
There are also slightly more custom brush options w/ medibang
real void
also i think dark interfaces just tend to overwhelm me and i dont really,,, know why
rich delta
is it like csp's colorizer but without the entire canvas being taken up?
real void
i prefer darker colors usually but lighter interfaces are so much easier for me to deal with
ebon briar
i know blender is going from a light interface to a dark interface in 1.8 and its spooky lmao
they rlly r intimdiating
lone mountain
i didnt even know they were the same
ebon briar
colorizer what
lone mountain
owell\
real void
i do have a lot of friends that use medibang pretty reliably but since ive just heard so much that firealpaca and medibang are very similar ive never much felt the need
lone mountain
i wish i still had csp
stable elbow
i love CSP so much
bronze rivet
all babs are fixed woo!
lament turtle
AHHHHH
I gotta change Acrim and Lawli's body types too ugyeiaubkwjdhkjahsofbiob
You all are so incredibly talented
You are too!!!1! I thought my art was bad but then I thought about the "Everyone has different perceptions of beauty" and thought well maybe theres someone out there who adores my art style!!
slate yoke
There will always be someone out there that likes your style
real void
oh shit i just realized i can start working toward that good sweet artisan role now
thOSe
are good,,,
bronze rivet
lament turtle
Oh goodness I don't make any art lol I just appreciate it
real void
im so excited for summer to come because ill have so much more time to work and improve on my art ^u^
bronze rivet
I still have to work towards mine, it's just I'm usually busy when it comes to making art. Or lazy.
slate yoke
Bapy
real void
a big part of my art experience comes from doodling on papers at school honestly jkfhksjdhd
bronze rivet
That's what I use to do.
Mostly cats, anime faces/expressions
Mmmm, grandson is playing now. Perfect art fuel. ♥
real void
i want to draw more but i know realistically i should NOT draw another bust for the 10,000th time
bronze rivet
I could just scare people and make a random file this http://prntscr.com/n9tfu2 and they'd have to config it in order to have heads...
bronze rivet
I'm thinking about doing it. 
Scare the crap out of folks because that's how I roll.
lament turtle
I dunno why I made this, but there it is.. bucket of worms
real void
oh i fucking love it
lament turtle
yay 😄
candid citrus
slorp
ebon briar
worm!
lament turtle
wormmies
candid citrus
nice wriggly boys hecatta (::
lament turtle
thank you ❤
onyx island
always been told to never open a can of worms, wonder if a bucket of them is that much worse 
slate yoke
That's a bucket of worms we need to open
strong ingot
oh worm?
bronze rivet
So cute.
slate yoke
Looking snazzy
lone mountain
man filing copyright claims to pinterest is annoying
their premade forms didnt really apply much to my issue
so i shooted their copyright/trademark center an email
like they suggest if the forms dont really apply
and in their reply to me
they just redirected me to their premade form
-_-
bronze rivet
Oof. Someone posted something of yours on Pinterest?
lone mountain
An artist drew an oc of mine for me
and then someone reuploaded that art to pinterest
bronze rivet
Oooh. Yeah, happens far too often.
bronze rivet
My mother makes things (like cups, signs) and she found her products on pinterest and someone was trying to sell it.
candid citrus
i hate pinterest
ebon briar
someone reuploaded a commission from my alt account onto it???
lone mountain
pinterest/amino apps/similar places are awful
lone mountain
theyre honestly just epicenters to steal peoples artwork/creations
bronze rivet
I use to use it.
ebon briar
It sucks too cause for pinterest I love using it for like
Pinning ideas for convention displays
bronze rivet
You have to credit the artist if you're using online art.
ebon briar
But it's all full of just stolen art n shit and its like whyyy
bronze rivet
You could get banned if you're using artwork that is not yours on Amino.
And if you don't credit.
ebon briar
i heard there were art problems on toyhouse that were similar?
slate yoke
Yeah
But Toyhouse appears to have cracked down lately
I'm pretty sure it's still drowning in Deku Dogs though
ebon briar
deku dogs?
candid citrus
deku ... dogs ?
slate yoke
"OCs" that are just Deku from My Hero Academia as a dog
bronze rivet
I just question why someone would do that. But then again Amino and Toyhouse is very OC heavy. Amino mostly likes to use real faces though. Shivers.
Imagine taking an image of a real person, naming them, giving them whatever, and roleplaying with it.
ebon briar
Like I was scrolling for refs in google images and I found
bronze rivet
Freaks me the hell out.
slate yoke
Imagine shipping real people
ebon briar
Someone had reuploaded an nsfw commish I did for someone else onto some compilation website but the entire website was in broken english with a wack URL?
candid citrus
people .... do that ?
bronze rivet
It depends on the ship. I ship septiplier as hey they're best bros. Not let's get married.
ebon briar
And they did try to give credit.... but they gave it to the wrong person.
An account on G+.
And now that G+ is closed I can't find out who it was
bronze rivet
I ship myself with a rock, okay. Don't judge me.
slate yoke
And if you ship people as friends, it's not a ship lmao
slate yoke
I don't think I want to lol
ebon briar
I knew an... interesting girl who I used to have a crush on who would ship irl people and I dodged a fucking bullet
I asked her out and "Sorry I like ur best friend instead" which A - oof but B - holy shit I dodged a bullet
bronze rivet
At the end of the day it blew up into the thing nobody wanted xD
candid citrus
i also find it WACK when people impose their kinks or whatever nasty shit they’re into on famous people
bronze rivet
But that's what happens. rule34 exists-
ebon briar
She moved away and now is currently shipping markiplier stuff and writes vampire markiplier x jacksepticeye fanfics
slate yoke
wh
ebon briar
She's currently chasing after gay guys who she knows are gay and complaining that they wont date her
slate yoke
I fucking love the deku dog bs
ebon briar
But she refuses to date a straight or bi person
slate yoke
It's funny in a surreal way
bronze rivet
@ebon briar See now that's wrong.
ebon briar
She NEEDS a gay boyfriend
lone mountain
its hilarious tbh
slate yoke
Wait Morris what
ebon briar
you dont understand
candid citrus
someone post a deku dog i wanna see them
slate yoke
She's one of those
lone mountain
also wtf
ebon briar
she fetishizes gay and transguys
lone mountain
thats gross
slate yoke
Girl I am NOT your forbidden fruit
bronze rivet
But that's what most hardcore gay shippers do anyway- they fetishize gay and it's wrong.
slate yoke
Something something fujoshi bad
lone mountain
im glad those terms are finally being viewed as negative
slate yoke
Thank God
lone mountain
The west surgarcoated it so i didnt even know that it was bad
bronze rivet
They've always been viewed negative. It's the young girls mostly that think it's okay.
slate yoke
I'm just glad I'm not the bad guy for shaming it now
I had a chaser chase me in high school it wasn't cool
bronze rivet
In my point of view, if the character isn't real, make them gay and ship them with whoever you want. If they are real, slow the hell down there kid.
candid citrus
i used to ship real people 😔
slate yoke
I'm shaming you
lone mountain
ive been there too willow
slate yoke
I'm shaming you too
lone mountain
its a phase a lot of young people have
lament turtle
I think maybe we all have
candid citrus
im okay with that fabe i deserve it
bronze rivet
I mean, I do ship Amy and Mark, but they're a real couple-
candid citrus
aw hello !
bronze rivet
Because Amy is an adorable bean and needs to be protected. At all costs.
ebon briar
ok this is the same girl but there was an incident in her new town which might be nsfw mods feel free to delete??? it also sounds very r/thathappened and i wasn't there so for all i know it is a r/thathappened thing
she showed her markiplier x jacksepticeye vampire fanfics to a friend when she and a group of people were hanging out in the woods. friend said 'i dont like this' she got all offended and ran off into the woods and they were all 'we gotta find this chick lmao'
they foudn her like 20 minutes later by a creek nekkid w/ the letters "IAVS" written on trees in 'i dont even want to know what' and she told them IAVS meant "I am very sad" because they didnt like her fanfiction
azure nightBOT
ebon briar
like im 50/50 because knowing her it does sound like a thing she'd do
slate yoke
Wh
ebon briar
but i got this through a secondary source
slate yoke
Yeah
ebon briar
i do too
lament turtle
OOF
I knew this girl and we would always compete with our drawings
Like we would ask which drawings people liked more
candid citrus
oh noooo
bronze rivet
I mean hell, I may be a big fan of Darkiplier and Antisepticeye maybe read a few gay stories about them because hell, it's gay but they're not real. They'll never be real.
lament turtle
She’s still like my best friend today we were just little kids
candid citrus
i feel like thats definitely a common kid thing
bronze rivet
But like, if we take this to the next level
lament turtle
We seek approval desperately lol
slate yoke
👀
bronze rivet
On amino, people are taking images of ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE
slate yoke
I saw that skull
bronze rivet
putting a name to them, giving them a personality
lament turtle
ITS IN THE PAst
candid citrus
that is so weird ???
lone mountain
face claims?
slate yoke
What's amino
runic moss
AMENO
bronze rivet
They freak me out. It's like why?
runic moss
AMENO
lament turtle
😪
frozen plaza
is that like an Amino acid?
slate yoke
Seriously what is amino
bronze rivet
Amino is an app where anything you wish has a group.
bronze rivet
It's like discord in a way.
bronze rivet
But way more horrifying.
slate yoke
So what makes it special
frozen plaza
like deviantart bad?
lone mountain
nothing
ebon briar
you 'cant draw well' and prefer to write
frozen plaza
or something worse?
lament turtle
I never had deviant art
slate yoke
Huh
ebon briar
and need a face to visualise a character
lone mountain
yeah
lament turtle
^
lament turtle
I don’t think it’s terrible but
candid citrus
but a real person ? its Weird
bronze rivet
Most people go onto it to roleplay/post art/be in an "amino" where people have the same interest as you.
slate yoke
Using real ass people who aren't famous is yikes
ebon briar
but its the same with voice claims
lone mountain
i think what andi was talking about was normal peoples pictures and writing more into less pg-13 type stuff
i dont think a lot of people would like their face being used for that
ebon briar
oh shit yeah no thats fucked
lament turtle
I don’t rp anymore
ebon briar
for nsfw shit
lament turtle
LMAO I used to rp warrior cats on roblox
bronze rivet
Hell, I wouldn't want to be used as a face for a roleplay-
lament turtle
A very very long time ago
ebon briar
im like big gay rper but like as a babby i stay away from nsfw rp
bronze rivet
That's just... weird.
lament turtle
HAAHAHAHAHA
runic moss
Oh my god, my friend used to RP warrior cats
lament turtle
I FOUND ANOTHER
slate yoke
I'm a DM. I do not allow NSFW RP in my games
ebon briar
HELL YEAH
runic moss
And probably still does
runic moss
They do a lot of pokemon roleplays
ebon briar
i was really into TF2 when i was 12
lament turtle
Blackpaw
ebon briar
I have a fucking...
lament turtle
OH MY GOD
lone mountain
oh no
ebon briar
team fortress 2 x warrior cats fanfic
lone mountain
wait
lament turtle
OH NOOOOOOO
lone mountain
waht
ebon briar
somewhere
lone mountain
?????????
bronze rivet
WHAT DID YOU DO
ebon briar
IT WASNT LIKE SHIPPING SDHGSKDJGS IT WAS CROSSOVER
bronze rivet
Apparently a cat needed a medic....
candid citrus
HOW
lament turtle
LMAO
lone mountain
such random universes to mix LOL
lament turtle
I’m crying
candid citrus
how do you cross those two things over LMAO
runic moss
Makes sense tbh
ebon briar
they all just woke up as warrior cats™ and i dont think i wrote more than like 2 pages
bronze rivet
What if the spy dressed up as one of the warrior cats?
runic moss
Don't understand the overreactions
slate yoke
Speaking of fics I need to write
ebon briar
willow i was 11 and also unchecked aspergers yeehaw
runic moss
The whole point of crossovers is to mix random things together
lament turtle
Oof
runic moss
Yeah?
lament turtle
Haha
runic moss
So cats with guns basically
candid citrus
thats valid i underestimate your creative imagination
ebon briar
i dont even
lament turtle
I just made random ocs and universes with my good friend many years ago
ebon briar
remember if they had guns
runic moss
Lmao
ebon briar
i dont reember any of it
im convinced its all a fever dream
i also have a fic where crash bandicoot fought banjo kazooie in the middle of the forest it was lit
candid citrus
when me nd my pals were in year 7/8 we would write fanfics about eachother with teachers 😩😩😩
slate yoke
w
lament turtle
WHAT
ebon briar
wh