making-mods-general

[cunning kiln]

It says contact the author for permission to use their assets. (Also, I'm impressed with how many conversations everyone is juggling!)

[gentle rose]

yeah, my question is where it looks for them - say mod A is referencing mod B as if they're both in the Mods folder, but the user has mod A inside a subfolder instead. Would that break?

[cyan venture]

whether i leave it or delete it in my mod folder the mod still loads and runs normally

[rancid musk]

It shouldn't.

[cyan venture]

yep

hmm but if i dont Ref those mod DLL

my code will have errors

[rancid musk]

On a related note, blatant plug: The ModManifestBuilder nuget package makes using hard references easier since you can just reference mods by their unique ID and it makes sure everything in your manifest + project is set up correctly.

[gentle rose]

so it's not too unsafe to reference DLLs then, in the sense that it's not just going to break 50% of the time like I assumed until now

[uncut viper]

There shouldn't really be anything in Content Patcher or GMCM that you need to hard reference, 99% of the time

[rancid musk]

Yeah. That's why I want to know what tutorial you were using.

The tutorial sounds incorrect at best and harmful at worst.

[uncut viper]

You're not meant to call their functions and whatnot directly. You're supposed to use their APIs

[lucid iron]

here's a example of using GMCM via the api

[gentle rose]

what if I want to make a content pack using content patcher features in c# though /j

[lucid iron]

i have a copy of the interface here
https://github.com/Mushymato/HaveMoreKids/blob/main/HaveMoreKids/Integration/IGenericModConfigMenuApi.cs
i get the api here, and then build my menu
https://github.com/Mushymato/HaveMoreKids/blob/main/HaveMoreKids/ModConfig.cs#L76

[uncut viper]

(I mean you say /j but I'm pretty sure its conditions API does require a hard reference I think?)

[gentle rose]

it sounds like it was a general "how to add another dll to a visual studio project" tutorial, not a Stardew modding one

[lucid iron]

i have a few mods with dll reference to newtonsoft json

for reasons™️

[gentle rose]

(the /j is because why would you do that in the first place)

[rancid musk]

Referencing DLLs that come with SMAPI or the game is fine.

[uncut viper]

for its conditions api

I also reference newtonsoft for a couple of mine

[rancid musk]

Referencing DLLs from other mods is where it gets borderline.

[lucid iron]

hm can i reference cecil

to do Things

it comes with smapi

[gentle rose]

what is wrong about it? fragility?

[uncut viper]

as soon as you hard reference your code fails if the mod isnt installed

[gentle rose]

...hard reference harmony

[rancid musk]

It means the other mod needs to be present for your mod to load at all.

So if it was just an optional dependency, oops, no it's not. It's required.

[gentle rose]

ah, ofc that makes sense

[lucid iron]

i thought mod build config already does that for you

[rancid musk]

And if that mod updates in a way that breaks the ABI, oops your mod can't load.

[lucid iron]

hence why using HarmonyLib works

[rancid musk]

(... actually I haven't tested breaking changes like that, it probably just explodes at runtime I guess)

[lucid iron]

oh it gets detected actually, sometimes

[gentle rose]

is quarter past one am too late to be talking about ABIs?

I feel like it might be

[lucid iron]

i have a mod that has hard ref on StardewUI for reasons™️ so whenever a constructor changes it explodes

but it correctly shows no longer compatible

rather than blowing up at menu launch

[modest pumice]

My new mushroom item is defaulting to pickleable, is there a context tag or something I can give it to disallow pickling?

[hot gale]

Does your pickle have a tag like vegetable_item etc

Pretty sure the machine takes all categories of certain things like fruit/veggies

[modest pumice]

just mushroom_item and edible_mushroom

[hot gale]

mushroom_item I bet is whats doing it

The machine likely accepts any mushroom_item

[vernal crest]

To add to what Button said, you shouldn't need ATA to use HxW Tilesheets or DaisyNiko's Tilesheets anyway because they load the tilesheets into maps. That lets you use them the same way you use vanilla tilesheets. On top of that, you don't need ATA to use your own tilesheets either because you can also load them into maps.

You only need ATA if you want to use a tilesheet that isn't in maps (like vanilla furniture.png) - though to use a non-vanilla one I would personally try to get permission from the mod author anyway since they probably wouldn't have been expecting that it would be possible to use their assets when they published the mod due to ATA being relatively unknown still.

[modest pumice]

I can try it without then and see if it's dehydrator friendly but not pickleable! ty!

[hot gale]

No problem :D Shooting from the hip here but that sounds like the culrpit to me

[uncut viper]

using non-vanilla sheets does not require any distribution of any files and does not come with any permissions issues

[vernal crest]

I know it doesn't require distribution of the assets but I would still ask permission because people might not be ok with their furniture being used in maps etc

[modest pumice]

nope, still pickleable lol

[uncut viper]

it has always been possible to use any loaded asset, ATA has not suddenly made something possible that was completely impossible before. it's just a Game.content.Load("hime.tilesheet")

there was nothing stopping people from already doing so, ATA just makes it possible to do so in Tiled itself

[lucid iron]

you need to move entry ur thing up

[hot gale]

I would look into the machine operations

[vernal crest]

I'll edit my message to say "I would personally ask for permission" because I still would

[hot gale]

and cross examine whats similar in your mushroom

Its only pickling because somethings telling it to

[faint grail]

Hi, does anyone know how I can change the color of the normal letter to the letter Rasmodius sends you?
I've been looking through the vanilla files, but I can't find one that changes the color.

[uncut viper]

(that said ofc the part about "you dont need ATA for this anyway the tilesheet should already be loaded by them" is still correct, i just glossed over it bc my mind focused in on "error with my mod" and not "why are they using my mod" lol)

[modest pumice]

sorry I'm not sure what that means

I think it's because the category is forage

[primal cypress]

I was mostly using it to keep mod tile sheets separate from vanilla to organize things...

[lucid iron]

you should really just load your own sheets to Maps

[vernal crest]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Mail_data#Custom_mail_formatting

[lucid iron]

Maps/modId/thing if you will

[tiny zealot]

hmm, it looks like maybe i wildly misunderstood what this function does and my shit worked anyway? big if true

[uncut viper]

ATA is not and should not be used for purely organizational purposes

[faint grail]

Thanks

[uncut viper]

ATA's only purpose is to allow using images that are not found or loaded to the Maps/ folder. if you are not using it for that specific and exact purpose, do not use it

[modest pumice]

apparently you can pickle vanilla mushrooms too and I just... never knew that. I'll leave it then

[dusk mulch]

ughhhh i have to make more events but i dont wana :(

[primal cypress]

I am using it for loading vanilla non /maps stuff as well, I'm fixing my stuff now

[cyan venture]

omg

im

so

dumb

[tidal stone]

does making festivals for a mod use C# or content patcher

[cyan venture]

i just tweaked something in csproj and broke the solution

[tidal stone]

like new festivals

[cyan venture]

luckily i still have the mod dll and decompile it

[tiny zealot]

i think passive festivals are easy enough to do with just CP. active ones have some hardcoded jank i believe but they're doable afaik

[uncut viper]

festivals are mostly C#, not much you can do with CP alone

[rancid musk]

A festival festival still has to be C#, but passive festivals are CP

[uncut viper]

like you CAN do it

(passive festivals tho are fine yeah)

[tidal stone]

passive festivals?

[gaunt orbit]

passive festivals can be done with only CP
technically you can do regular festivals with just CP but because of Jank, C# is recommended

[uncut viper]

like the trout derby

or desert festival

[tidal stone]

Oooohhh

[brittle pasture]

I think festival festivals, as long as you don't do anything fancier than shops or dialogue, are also doable with CP- yeah

[tiny zealot]

passive festivals also are great and you should choose them if possible

[uncut viper]

things that are just There but dont require a fade in and frozen time and stuff

[rancid musk]

You could just post your csproj and we could point out issues. We are here to help.

[brittle pasture]

(but active festivals also take over an entire part of town and closes down shops, so they are not recommended over passive festivals)

[tidal stone]

I could do a couple passive festivals based around little festivals ive been too growing up hrm

i just dont want my future expansion mod to be a bunch of do nothing npcs that have no life in them in their own town and rely solely on pelican town for any kind of festivity

[uncut viper]

keep in mind though you are still ofc very limited in what you can actually do with a passive festival thats different from just non-festival patches

[cyan venture]

here

[uncut viper]

i think the only thing that Data/PassiveFestivals really exposes for you that you couldnt otherwise do is just making it appear on the calendar

technically, you can run any C# function to start and clean up a passive festival, but thats... not much use to a content pack author

[cyan venture]

somehow now it contain other mod file

ugh

[rancid musk]

Your project file without bad things: ```xml
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk">
<PropertyGroup>
<TargetFramework>net6.0</TargetFramework>
<ImplicitUsings>enable</ImplicitUsings>
<Nullable>enable</Nullable>
<EnableHarmony>enable</EnableHarmony>
</PropertyGroup>

<ItemGroup>
    <PackageReference Include="Pathoschild.Stardew.ModBuildConfig" Version="4.3.2" />
</ItemGroup>

<ItemGroup>
    <Reference Include="ContentPatcher">
        <HintPath>$(GameModsPath)\ContentPatcher\ContentPatcher.dll</HintPath>
        <Private>false</Private>
    </Reference>
    <Reference Include="GenericModConfigMenu">
        <HintPath>$(GameModsPath)\GenericModConfigMenu\GenericModConfigMenu.dll</HintPath>
        <Private>false</Private>
    </Reference>
</ItemGroup>

</Project>

[tidal stone]

immediate festivals i think of is

• woodworking festival (based on an art festival in my home town) (have art for sale and have musician npcs

• Jazz festival (music and food festival (sell food and have musiucian npcs)

• a flower festival (just decorate everythigng with flowers? maybe sell hard to get flowers for a limited amount)

[rancid musk]

1. You shouldn't reference Lib.Harmony, ModBuildConfig does that for you.
2. Added <Private> to the mods so their DLLs won't be included in output
3. Removed a couple weird "don't compile file X" blocks that I have no idea how you got them there

[tidal stone]

idk how doable those are with cp versus C# though

[cyan venture]

uhm but it now

i installed Lib.Harmony in NuGet

[tiny zealot]

i have been to a few insane rural town festivals in my day, and i would consider making mods about them, but truthfully a lot of them are just like vanilla stardew so what's the point

[tidal stone]

[rancid musk]

Oh right I missed it. <EnableHarmony> should be true not enable

[wooden hornet]

tires burning in front of joja would be a cool event

[uncut viper]

fwiw however all of those festivals are doable in CP

[rancid musk]

I wasn't even thinking about that because I saw the packagereference and thought "No, bad"

[tidal stone]

woohoo

[cyan venture]

oh okay

[tidal stone]

Ack sorry i @'d you button 😭

[cyan venture]

so the gamemodpath is my path right

[uncut viper]

i prefer being @ 'd

[tidal stone]

[rancid musk]

Yup. ModBuildConfig sets that for you.

[uncut viper]

but im not fussed either way im not gonna say "please @ me next time"

[tidal stone]

understood ^-^

[cyan venture]

wow yea its work

[rancid musk]

Speaking of Button, did you see that I hit you with another PR yesterday? 😛

[wooden hornet]

hi guys is it much harder to make mods using c# directly for smapi vs cp? i tried to make a mod using chatgpt but code isnt working i wanna try and do it manually but im not a good coder. the code chatgpt gave me looked simple though

[brittle pasture]

!chatgpt

[uncut viper]

i did! I gave it a glance, just haven't been able to get to it yet with school priorities, but im very appreciative of it

[vernal crest]

(You should thank Khloe for the help btw )

[vernal crest]

Absolutely do not use chatgpt.

[uncut viper]

please do not ever use chatgpt

[vernal crest]

It is the lying machine that lies. It will give you rubbish.

[brittle pasture]

!chatgptcode

[ocean sail]

Please stop trying to get ChatGPT to write your C# mods for you, especially if you don't know how to write C#. It won't work without heavy editing, and it wastes everyone's time.

Large language models fundamentally are reguritating something from their input—which is roughly speaking, the written output of humanity up until 2021 or so, for ChatGPT. For specific, niche topics like "is this framework going to do what I want" or "which things does Game1.cs have access to", it probably has no idea! But it's good at detecting that people in the past have....said things about frameworks and written things in C#, so it does its best to assemble words and symbols into a nice order for you. Sometimes it tells you true things, and sometimes it tells you false things, and if you can't detect when, you're in trouble. When you're writing code, this usually produces garbage, because you can't be "sort of similar", you have to be exactly correct or it won't work.

To use this command, type !chatgptcode.

[cyan venture]

i still need help haha

[brittle pasture]

that command should probably mention CP as well

[vernal crest]

Nothing stopping you from thanking people as you go along!

[tidal stone]

i didnt know people used chatgpt for coding what

[wooden hornet]

i was just trying it out

i want to make a simple mod

[brittle pasture]

oh, people very much do, and then it gives them code that doesn't work, because it doesn't know anything

[vernal crest]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[tidal stone]

if you want help making a mod everyone here would be happy to help

[rancid musk]

Admittedly, chatgpt can give you ideas if you already know what you're doing. But knowing what you're doing so you can validate that it gave you something sane is very important.

[brittle pasture]

(I know because those code have been posted here)

[rancid musk]

(And even then it's still... why not just google things normally?)

[wooden hornet]

i dont really see the appeal to use a framework tbh but maybe there is one for custom storage?

[tidal stone]

im actually curious what kinda code it would make without like a lot of extensive knowldge hm

[uncut viper]

(it is embarrassing seeing just how much the SPU performance was improved though... i mentioned it before but yeah, im very not proud of its codebase today lol. dont know what possessed me to make it like my second mod after i learned the basics of C#)

[tidal stone]

i dunno if it could do a monkey and typewritier thing though

[rancid musk]

Expanded Storage lets you add custom chest types with a content pack.

[brittle pasture]

the appeal to use a framework is if it has a feature you want that you don't want to reimplement yourself

[tidal stone]

framewokrs my beloved

[cyan venture]

@rancid musk when i compile my mod it contain the same mod folder but inside my main folder. what happened

[rigid musk]

^ Frameworks can do a whole lot and make things far easier especially if you 'aren't a good coder'

I love frameworks and the people who make them, such big brains

[rancid musk]

Try doing Build > Clean Solution and also deleting the output directory to start you from a good state and then build again

[gaunt orbit]

does anyone offhand know the mail flag for unlocking the deluxe rarecrow?

[tawny ore]

Frameworks aren't just about making things easier, but also perhaps more importantly, it's about certain changes happening in a consistent way between mods to reduce potential conflicts

[wooden hornet]

they just tend to have annoying side effects for big mod lists when some stuff are incompatible with dependencies i want maximum compatibility but yeah they do make it easier to dev

[tawny ore]

A bunch of mods attempting to make the same changes/patches to the same code can often result in them clashing with each other

[cyan venture]

it worked

Thanks you so much

[vernal crest]

The same ambition that makes you the author of BETAS and ATA and CMCT and Custom Schedule Keys, all of which have totally changed the game for CP modding!

[tawny ore]

A single framework doing the work helps eliminate those conflicts

[rancid musk]

RarecrowSociety?

[cyan venture]

you really saved me, if i had to figure it out on my own i think it would have taken me all day today

[uncut viper]

theres a fine line between ambition and naivety i think but i appreciate that nevertheless

[rigid musk]

Most frameworks don't have that sort of incompatibility as far as I can tell... at least I haven't seen that many especially not with 1.6

And if you think about it, if you try to write a C# mod that changes the same code that a whole framework changes... then you're completely eliminating compatibility with all of those mods (like Matt mentioned)

[cyan venture]

by the way do you mind if i rep-ping to you? i see you dont usually rep-ping to people. or is it because you have turned it off

[uncut viper]

remember theres a big difference between mods that just adds the same things and mods that are frameworks for something

[brittle pasture]

hey matt since you're here I have a feature request for custom bush: a function in the API for "run day update logic for this custom bush"
reason being I may have bushes that are stashed away in neither a location's terrain features nor an indoor pot, but a secret, nefarious third place
this is absolutely neither urgent nor necessary, so no need to rush on my part!

[uncut viper]

like Lily i cant really think of many (any?) incompatible frameworks

that do the same thing

[tawny ore]

I can't imagine how screwed modding would be if we didn't have Content Patcher, for example. If everyone just willy nilly attempted to do their own injections into the content pipeline without the caching or dependency management that Content Patcher handles.

[rancid musk]

At this point I don't really mind reply pings. It can be a bit annoying if someone does it while I'm clearly still around and responding, but I've gotten used to Discord's stupidity.

[lucid iron]

if anything if you are make mod that intend to be framework, compat is higher on the mind

[uncut viper]

compat and marketing /j

[cyan venture]

oh ok

[lucid iron]

marketing...

[tidal stone]

is there a way to make @ pings off on default anyway

[wooden hornet]

i wanted to turn a decorative item into a chest that shares inventory between all versions but every new one that is placed down requires a gold fee before it becomes functional

[rancid musk]

Hold shift while clicking Reply and it starts off.

[rigid musk]

That... is an odd but interesting concept

like an expensive junimo chest

[tidal stone]

mm dissapointing its not just default but ill try to get in the habit of that

[lucid iron]

im not sure whats the difference between that and just paying for a new chest

[wooden hornet]

its a shame the joja vault is purely decorative i want to make it a minecraft ender chest but pay to prevent placing them anywhere in mine runs

[uncut viper]

im imagining like an animal crossing style donation box you gotta fill up first

[tawny ore]

Creating Chests in C# is actually not too bad in 1.6. It used to be awful in 1.5. Now you mainly have to make sure that you're using the same frames as offsets in the spritesheet.

[dusk mulch]

What is the name of the :3 emote?

[rigid musk]

are you just trying to make a junimo chest that's bigger... and costs more?

[cyan venture]

you can click "@on" when reply someone to set it off by default or do like Khloe

[rigid musk]

32

[wooden hornet]

idk what junimo chests are but chatgpt referenced it as a class lol

[dusk mulch]

ty!

[gaunt orbit]

is there a way to get vs to stop auto-formatting my json? It didn't do this before

[tiny zealot]

i love how many different kinds of storage mods there are. seems like everybody's got one. stardew valley is storage mods georg

[uncut viper]

it would be better if you abandoned any memory of what chatgpt told you

[rigid musk]

Junimo chests are literally ender chests

[wooden hornet]

XD

[tawny ore]

Some stuff is hardcoded that Expanded Storage makes available like customizing the sounds, sprites, animations, and making them colorable, but if you stick to most of the hardcoded values, you can mostly add chests using a custom BigCraftable and just creating the chest instance.

[gaunt orbit]

ah I found it

[rigid musk]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Junimo_Chest

[lucid iron]

in your case it'd be a global inventory anyways

[rigid musk]

I don't remember what the wiki command thing is but that's the link to it

[lucid iron]

can skip the Chest part if u want

[wooden hornet]

yes im mostly wondering how i can create the pay per item prompt

[tawny ore]

Junimo Chests in 1.5 were just a special chest type like the hopper. They're still a special chest type in 1.6, but they're backed by a GlobalInventoryId of "JunimoChest"

[brittle pasture]

what Button said - abandon all memory of what ChatGPT told you
in this case this is because Junimo Chests are not their own separate class. ChatGPT doesn't know that because it doesn't know anything.

[cyan venture]

AI code is suck...

[wooden hornet]

im sure ill find solutions for storage

[rigid musk]

the only difference between what you're talking about and a Junimo chest is that you just buy them from Qi, and you can't craft them (you could add a crafting recipe for them though... i wonder if someone's done that yet )

[wooden hornet]

there is joja catalogue that gives them for free thats why i want ppl to pay

[uncut viper]

i cant think of a non-C# way to do the payment part

[tawny ore]

Check out Crystalline Junimo Chests source code for a mod that makes custom junimo chests which involves a dialogue prompt and the player paying an item to access them.

Crystalline Junimo Chests does all of that already

[wooden hornet]

will do thanks

[orchid glade]

Yay! I am pretty proud of this!!

[tawny ore]

(And it uses Expanded Storage as the framework for actually adding the chests)

[rigid musk]

The who does what now

I am 95% certain that junimo chests can not, in fact, be purchased from any catalogue

[wooden hornet]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Joja_Furniture_Catalogue

no the vault

[rigid musk]

Oh OH

you want to turn the vault into its own chest

[wooden hornet]

yes

[rigid musk]

My brain was not computing that lmao I was like 'wdym you can get junimo chests from catalogues'

[wooden hornet]

i need to finish a cc route some day i keep going joja to unlock greenhouse faster

[cyan venture]

does any1 know how to expand this box?

i mean this box

[brittle pasture]

make a pull request to GMCM probably?

[cyan venture]

so we can't do anything about it..

[uncut viper]

if you're in C# you could write your own custom menu for GMCM. seems like a lot of work for something of relatively little import though.

[tiny zealot]

you can create a complex widget and do its rendering yourself. lots of work though

[brittle pasture]

are you in C#? it looks like you're adding a list of items

[uncut viper]

theyve been talking about compiling and their csproj and stuff

[cyan venture]

yeah, i'm the guy who was hopeless about creating a mod to fix house upgrade prices a week or so ago

[brittle pasture]

ah I rember now, congrats on the release

[cyan venture]

but i asked a friend to teach me some basic c# for 2-3 days or so and now i have my mod done

[lucid iron]

well u can just make many boxes

[cyan venture]

now i'm trying to polish the mod a bit

[lucid iron]

wood stone etc

[tiny zealot]

if i had time i'd consider a GMCM PR to allow overriding the (hardcoded, in SpaceShared) padding value on every widget, which increases the page height/next widget position even if you render it out of flow

[lucid iron]

or you dont let user deal with this at all and let ppl make content pack

[cyan venture]

I don't think I'm capable enough to open that box myself, so I'll let users add item IDs themselves via config.json

[lucid iron]

i think making many boxes is not that bad

or many sliders

if u want to just have it be wood stone hard wood X number that should be fine

[cyan venture]

I mean expand that little box that SpaceChase gave everyone in GMCM haha

[uncut viper]

have them write the name of the item and then do a fuzzy search over Game1.objectData

[lucid iron]

yea the suggestion is

change to number option

which gives u a slider

if you supply min and max

[uncut viper]

i dont think they know how many items the person would want to configure though

like, how do you know how many sliders to add

[cyan venture]

no i want people to be able to add whatever items they can into the farmhouse upgrade blueprint

[lucid iron]

cursed fuzzy search box that push more sliders into gmcm

ig that should be doable?

[cyan venture]

yes i did it

[lucid iron]

if u r just add a new number item in the setvalue part

[uncut viper]

thats not what you have here

honestly for a first mod i think just leaving it at this is fine, you can always come back to it later

[lucid iron]

but yea these r all suggestions in the name of weh i dont wanna make custom gmcm option

[uncut viper]

just link em to the item id spreadsheet/website in your nexus description

[cyan venture]

I mean I'm seeing the box where people can add stuff via GMCM is pretty small and it might be inconvenient, so I'm asking if anyone here knows how to expand it. But it seems pretty difficult and I don't think I'll do it.

[dusk mulch]

Another event done, yet I just realised I forgot to put the NPC names through the i18n

[true coyote]

Just out of curiosity, is it possible/how difficult would it be to tweak torches to only light at night? There's a couple of replacer mods I like but I'd prefer them to only be lit/show at night

[cyan venture]

my mod is now complete

[uncut viper]

well we gave the answer, its write a custom GMCM menu

not worth it imo

[brittle pasture]

that needs C#

[lucid iron]

this is what i meant by the slider btw

[uncut viper]

how bad of an idea is it to simply EditImage the lightmap with TimeChanged

[lucid iron]

then you have a text option at top whose sole job is to add more slider

[lucid iron]

mmap feature for the light part

night tile for the tile part?

[brittle pasture]

I thought they were referring to the torch item

[uncut viper]

i also assumed this

[lucid iron]

oh those things u place ok

torch framework

i remember torchs being very cursed and i dont want to touch them at all

[true coyote]

Yeah torch item I believe. There's a lot of candle mods and orange blossoms firefly replacer, but I'd like the candles to not be lit in the day and fireflies not even appear during the day

[uncut viper]

torch framework that lets you finally make differnt torches that give you luck buff if you place the right torch in the right location but debuff your luck otherwise

[true coyote]

(For whichever one I'm playing with at the time)

[brittle pasture]

you can patch away the flame sprites in cursors I think, and the glow shouldn't show during daytime

[lucid iron]

darkest dungeon mod

[uncut viper]

i was thinkin terraria

[cyan venture]

I understand what you mean, but if I choose slider, I will have to add a lot of available values ​​to use the slider, right? And I want people to add and delete materials freely. Even if I add everything myself and let people drag the value to 0 or some other number, it will be too many slides to interact with.

[lucid iron]

yea the suggestion is to make it reactive

[true coyote]

Anyway, bed time. Good night

[lucid iron]

by having text box for adding new slider at least

[brittle pasture]

if the light still does show, patching the light map as button suggested might just work

[lucid iron]

removing an option in gmcm is death though

[tiny zealot]

dealing with lighting gives me flashbacks to developing nightshade and the unholy flashbangs my poor testers were subjected to right when the lightmap kicked in

[cyan venture]

I think I'll research it later, for now I'm satisfied with what I've done.

with my stupid brain, applying i18n and creating GMCM menu has exhausted me

my friend when i asked about some things i don't understand in c#, he also wanted to punch me dozens of times haha

[hot gale]

What day of the week is the first day

[tiny zealot]

spring 1 is a monday

[hot gale]

[game] Unknown precondition for event Zach.MeadKegAcquire: AddMail Mail.MeadKegAcquire tomorrow

"Zach.MeadKegAcquire/Skill Farming 4/AddMail Mail.MeadKegAcquire tomorrow": "null",

Not quite sure what I did wrong here

[brittle pasture]

AddMail is not an event precondition

you either want LocalMail, or if you meant to give the mail to the player, that's part of the event body

[vernal crest]

And if you're doing this just to send mail, use a trigger action instead.

[hot gale]

Yeah Im trying to get an NPC to send players mail

[vernal crest]

Then a trigger action is the way to go.

Very easy, very beautiful, very powerful.

[tiny zealot]

for clarity, the deprecated precondition that does this is SendMail. but don't do that, use a trigger action

[hot gale]

I got AddMail from https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Trigger_actions

[tiny zealot]

yes, i think you crossed a couple of wires

[hot gale]

Am I not using trigger actions? lol

[vernal crest]

It is correct when used as a trigger action

[hot gale]

My ignorance is showing rofl

[tiny zealot]

what you have done is paste the trigger action into an event precondition

[vernal crest]

No, you need to edit data/triggeractions for that

[tiny zealot]

for this, do not use an event. edit Data/TriggerActions like aba said

[hot gale]

Oh

Yeah I think I mixed something up somewhere

Thanks y'all

[vernal crest]

There's an example for how to do it further down the trigger actions page

[hot gale]

This?

[vernal crest]

Yup that's it. It's even an addmail one, handy.

[hot gale]

Thanks for the help :)

[last plume]

trying to install SMAPI and SDV back onto my computer since I am returning from a hiatus. however. I am getting a block from opening SMAPI on MacOS 15.3.1.

anyone know how to bypass it?

i already bypassed during installation, but now can't open game

[tiny zealot]

!macsmapi

[ocean sail]

MacOS thinks SMAPI is Malware

There is currently a known issue with certain MacOS versions flagging SMAPI as malware and forcibly moving it to the trash, disallowing users from installing SMAPI.

If you are experiencing this issue, please read through the solutions in #1318323302779060324, which gives detailed instructions on how to resolve it.

If you are still experiencing issues after attempting the solution in common-bugs, please post a new thread in #1272025932932055121

To use this command, type !macsmapi.

[last plume]

its showing the channel as unknown fyi

[uncut viper]

click it anyway

[tiny zealot]

discord moment

[vernal crest]

You can still click it. It will stop being unknown once you go to it.

[uncut viper]

you have the channel category hidden/muted i presume

[vernal crest]

It showed as unknown for me without being muted, I just hadn't been there for a while.

[formal crown]

Discord dislikes threads

[uncut viper]

self-hiding

[hot gale]

Double checking for sanity, does this look correct?
https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/3f78e728f8ac4e3bbeddc3079e4a26ed

Player learns recipe at level 4

[vernal crest]

So once they know the recipe, send them the letter the next day? Looks ok to me

Though unless (BC) is part of your keg's recipe ID, I don't think that should be there.

[wary kite]

Hi i would like to make a mod that changes a npc sprites speech likes and dislikes etc i dont exactly know where to start as im not sure if a content patcher would cover all of this can anyone help

[dusk mulch]

its cool looking through the game files, i just found an unused map that was supposed to be a secret part of ginger island

[vernal crest]

!startmodding Yup that's all possible in Content Patcher. Start by learning how to make a CP mod (second link below).

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[wary kite]

tysm ^^

[last plume]

got it, ima attempt to open it again.

[uncut viper]

i meant the unknown channel btw not smapi

[last plume]

so it worked. i finally got it working. tho i had to uninstall and reinstall smapi after putting in the fix. but now it worked.

[cyan venture]

i just found out that players can upgrade houses at the same time in multiplayer, is this normal

[uncut viper]

yes

[brittle pasture]

yes

[cyan venture]

I thought it was my mod

is there anything i can do about this? i mean i want to limit it to only one person getting upgraded like when upgrading Co-op or Barn

is it possible

[lucid iron]

why

[uncut viper]

i mean with enough c# anything is possible but im not sure why you'd want to. you can upgrade multiple coops/barns at once too in multiplayer

[cyan venture]

heh?

really, i didn't notice it

[lucid iron]

selph does EAC have a api

[uncut viper]

i wouldnt expect a mod i downloaded to make the price configurable to alter that either

[brittle pasture]

nop, what you need

[uncut viper]

an API clearly /j

[lucid iron]

produced items

[cyan venture]

If this was a feature of the game in Multiplayer, I would leave it as is. I thought it was my mod that caused

[uncut viper]

well, we told you its normal

[cyan venture]

If I had the ability to do so and could do it, I would leave it true/false.

but well just leave it as is

[brittle pasture]

do you just need to know the item queries for the main/secondary produce

[lucid iron]

yea

im finally adding these so i rmbr

altho idk what do about alt purchase types rn

[brittle pasture]

is there a limit (re: the omni chicken)

[lucid iron]

well you just give me the query no?

i decide how many to pick

[brittle pasture]

yeah that's what I mean lol

[lucid iron]

i.e. its a api that returns ISpawnData which we both have access to

[brittle pasture]

I was joking on whether you're displaying every output

[lucid iron]

oh well i could

it'll scroll by super fast

anyways im gonna release this version for vanilla produce for now (theres a separate bug that need fix)

so no rush on ur api either

[brittle pasture]

hmm maybe I should just make the API expose the entire asset for reading
pintail spoopy though

[lucid iron]

if it is an interface then i'd have to copy the whole thing

[uncut viper]

have fun with that

[lucid iron]

tho i think im allowed to have less fields?

if i was bothered by it

[uncut viper]

same as api stuff i imagine

[brittle pasture]

yeah, because I'm going to add more fields to the class eventually

and then I have to do stuff like AnimalExtensionDataV2 : AnimalExtensionData?

[lucid iron]

so adding new field is fine

if you remove fields then u need that

(fields or props)

[vernal crest]

Does anyone know off the top of their head any C# mod with a dropdown in its config that has a source I can look at?

[regal knot]

Which one should I choose for Stardew?

[brittle pasture]

https://github.com/spacechase0/StardewValleyMods/blob/352c529d0c8a60a20850b252beb361dca2af346c/GenericModConfigMenu/docs/README.md?plain=1#L66

[uncut viper]

!startmodding see the C# section

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[brittle pasture]

AddTextOption with AllowedValues set should turn it into a dropdown

[vernal crest]

I have already got that but I am getting a null object reference error so I am doing something wrong.

[lucid iron]

that doesnt sound like gmcm thing

post log?

and code u r trying to deal with

[vernal crest]

My guess is that I am doing something wrong in my ModConfig class so I want to peer at someone else's lol

[uncut viper]

does your config have an initial/default value for the things you are configuring

before you are accessing them

[vernal crest]

public sealed class ModConfig
{
    public bool ExampleCheckbox { get; set; } = true;
    public int ExampleNumber { get; set; } = 5;
    public string ExampleString { get; set; } = "Default string value";
    public string ExampleDropdown { get; set; } = "choice A";
}

Log: https://smapi.io/log/c7081713a9df487d98f1bab7935c9058

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 10 Home, with 33 C# mods and 9 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[uncut viper]

then yeah probably a log and code needed here, i also dont think it sounds liek a gmcm thing

i wouldve thought GMCM would have like. catches/checks

is your code on github?

[vernal crest]

No, is that the best place for me to put it?

[uncut viper]

s'where most people host their repos. could put it on github or in a gist or pastebin or tbh a screenshot of your config option code might work fine enough too

to clarify for just generally storing your code a git repo at minimum is nice and github at least better still so you dont lose everything if you lose your actual files. some peopple prefer like, gitlab or gitea or w/e tho

[vernal crest]

I do put it on github, it's just private lol

To protect my modesty

[uncut viper]

does your IDE warn you about any potential null references anywhere

they wont necessarily be errors, Rider gives me yellow squigglies for em

[cyan venture]

is this your modconfig? I think this is the file where you call the variable(?)

[vernal crest]

I have so many null warnings lol

https://pastebin.com/mgzzV8gd

But most are them for the IGenericModConfigMenuApi.cs code I downloaded from GMCM

https://github.com/spacechase0/StardewValleyMods/blob/develop/GenericModConfigMenu/IGenericModConfigMenuApi.cs

[cyan venture]

.....

[vernal crest]

I just downloaded this whole thing and put it in my mod folder

[cyan venture]

u are using GMCM API example code?

[hot gale]

Ahh so just the exact ID I use for the recipe not the big machine object

[lucid iron]

i have a null fixed up version of the api

that i just keep copying between mods

[vernal crest]

Since you want to check the recipe, yes.

It may be relevant to say that I deleted these two lines from the ConfigMenuApi because the framework line was giving me an assembly reference error and the suggested fix was to just delete them so I gave that a go. The other three config options work (insofar as editing them in GMCM goes, I haven't used them for anything).

using System;
using GenericModConfigMenu.Framework;

[uncut viper]

deleting the second line is correct, if none of the things you're using use System then deleting that is also fine

your IDE would make it clear if deleting one was an issue

[vernal crest]

I know I can add question marks to things to make the null reference warnings go away, but I didn't know if it was a good idea to actually do so and thus haven't been.

[uncut viper]

what are the other three? which one did you add when it started breaking

[vernal crest]

I didn't know if it was a good idea to make things nullable william-nilliam.

It only breaks on ExampleDropdown. ExampleCheckbox, ExampleNumber, and ExampleString seem fine.

But I added them all at the same time. It's only when I go to try to change the dropdown value that it errors.

[regal knot]

what is the most convenient way of debugging my own mod only? Do you always move all the other installed mods to a separate folder

[vernal crest]

The only change I made to the GMCM code is to add a tooltip, which is why I think the problem is in my ModConfig class.

[vernal crest]

I have different mod folders with different shortcuts of StardewModdingAPI.exe pointing to them so I can swap between mod dev, play, etc without moving anything between folders.

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Player_Guide/Getting_Started#Can_I_have_different_mod_groups.3F

[uncut viper]

does it null error if you delete your config.json manually and try again

[vernal crest]

I will see

[cyan venture]

wow this is very nice

[vernal crest]

That fixed it, thank you!

[uncut viper]

im guessin you had a previous iteration of your ExampleDropdown before you got the code right and i guess whatever value was in there was Incorrect as far as GMCM was concerned

bc it was erroring on accessing its cached value

[vernal crest]

Yes that makes sense

[uncut viper]

which is gotten from reading the value initially or smth

doesnt matter now anyway

[vernal crest]

Now to learn how to use those config options in dialogue

[uncut viper]

did you want guidance on the correct path there

[regal knot]

When it says "add to your project", is it referring to this folder (pic2)?

[lucid iron]

yea

ShoppingList/
manifest.json

what kinda mod r u make

[vernal crest]

I want to try one thing first but if that fails me then I will, yes xD

[lucid iron]

is there such a thing as correct path here...

[uncut viper]

there are many ways to incorrectly use config inside a dialogue string

dont harmony patch the dialogue constructor

will tell you that one for free

[vernal crest]

xD

[regal knot]

I did follow every step in "create the project" but I still can't see my own project in Mods?

wait is it because I haven't compiled it

[uncut viper]

thats what building does

[regal knot]

Should I build through this

[vernal crest]

Is that VSC?

[regal knot]

Yeah

[vernal crest]

Are you very confident in programming in it?

[regal knot]

I've been programming in it for my degree, but not familiar with C# and Stardew modding

[midnight sand]

I would recommend to change Visual Studio Code for Visual Studio or Rider when working in C#

[regal knot]

ok

[uncut viper]

are you on a mac?

[regal knot]

yea, just downloaded Rider

[uncut viper]

ah yeah. rip VSCommunity on mac

[regal knot]

Btw which way should be used to build a mod in VSCode? I've seen different sources say different methods

[uncut viper]

ive not a clue since ive never tried to build something with vscode and never would if i could help it. i imagine dotnet build

so the first one, likely, but i dont know

[regal knot]

Thx! Dotnet build was successful

[uncut viper]

i would still recommend Rider in the future though. a lot better to use a full fledged IDE than a glorified text editor

(a very good glorified text editor, but still)

[vernal crest]

Poop, my idea only half worked. The token shows up in dialogue but doesn't update unless I restart the game. I'm guessing it's because I'm editing the dialogue in AssetRequested but I am not sure what to do to instead. Could I switch to editing the dialogue in DayEnding? Would that be bad for performance? Is it even possible?

[uncut viper]

you'll want to invalidate that asset in your GMCM save function

Content Patcher is nice and handles invalidation for you

if you invalidate it after changing the value, the next time the dialogue needs to show up, itll be run through AssetRequested again

there are other ways too. you could turn it into a Tokenizable String and have your tkstring parser grab the config value fresh every time

thats more effort than just invalidating the asset though

(also to be clear: always edit assets like that in AssetRequested. dont edit them anywhere else)

[vernal crest]

Okay, I understand the idea of what to do and I think I found how to invalidate an asset, but is the save function something I am supposed to write?

[cyan venture]

how i can post my mod in #mod-showcase

[uncut viper]

setValue: value => this.Config.ExampleDropdown = value, thats your save function!

[brisk wedge]

Anyone willing to do code review for a mod I wrote? Mostly looking for sanity checks since I'm pretty new to making mods, afaict it does do what I want it to do

[uncut viper]

setValue: value => {
  this.Config.ExampleDropdown = value;
  ModEntry.ModHelper.GameContent.InvalidateCache("Data/Whatever");
}

like this

[uncut viper]

you dont without the mod author role. you can nicely ask if some other mod author is around and available to showcase it on your behalf though

[cyan venture]

I don't know if it's redundant or not but you should also add a code that creates a temp config

[cyan venture]

oh okay

[vernal crest]

Why?

[lucid iron]

code auditing by internet randos

[cyan venture]

to avoid unintended changes.

[lucid iron]

your changes dont save until you press save

[uncut viper]

there is no reason to have a temp config made

[lucid iron]

its already a gmcm feature isnt it

[cyan venture]

I know but somehow even though I didn't save and pressed cancel, my mod still saved what I edited even though I didn't press save.

If so then it is my code causing the problem haha

but that's ok a little more code doesn't hurt anything, glad others don't have the same problem as me

[brisk wedge]

my other option is code auditing just by me, which uhh probably not the greatest idea

[cyan venture]

hey wait

i figured out something

@uncut viper

[cyan venture]

are you Spiderbutton in Nexus?

[vernal crest]

She is

[uncut viper]

i am Spiderbuttons yes

[cyan venture]

oh yes

[lucid iron]

sometimes i do ask ppl about how they might do a C# thing better

[cyan venture]

I would like to talk to you about your Searchable Collection Page mod

[uncut viper]

if its to report something broken about it, i have no plans to get to it in the immediate future

[cyan venture]

the some of the icons/silhouettes stacked on top of each other. one

[lucid iron]

that is more likely to get response than "pls audit code"

[cyan venture]

oh okay

[uncut viper]

i havent touched that mod since before 1.6.9 and was never able to recreate issues people reported even back then, so, its very low priority

[cyan venture]

I use it quite a bit so it's sad that it's broken

[lucid iron]

did you open source that one button?

[uncut viper]

i honestly dont remember

[lucid iron]

i thought it needed better game menu changes

[uncut viper]

it has one patch to GameMenu that likely does not even need to be there

[lucid iron]

i was gonna say if it is open sauce then rias can attempt PR if they want

[vernal crest]

Why is this, btw?

[cyan venture]

well if Button allow me

[uncut viper]

i have only had the chance to open up Rider like 2 times in the past couple weeks so most of everything mod-related is low prio for me right now

[uncut viper]

because edits made outside of AssetRequested will get overwritten next time AssetRequested happens after the asset is invalidated. thats a big reason but not the only

[lucid iron]

i edit them elsewhere a lot but only on a cached copy

and usually its more like

[uncut viper]

caching it yourself for other purposes is fine but like, dont go editing Game1.objectData

[lucid iron]

this value is bad, set it to null so we skip the check

[uncut viper]

you can read from the game's caches just dont write

[vernal crest]

Okay that makes sense, thank you. I do not know what it means to cache things yet beyond the general idea of "store this" but hopefully when I need to use that I will be at the point of figuring out what to do lol

[uncut viper]

thats basically what it is. store something so you dont have to keep getting it/generating it later

like a texture, for example. you can grab a .png file from the computer every single time you need it if you want. but why do that when you can grab the .png file once, save its data, and then just grab that data whenever you need it instead

[lucid iron]

looking up a dict has cost

[uncut viper]

speaking generally about caching not necessarily stardew specifically

looking up in a dict has a very very minor cost, though

[lucid iron]

but if u know u r always look up this one thing, u can hold it so u dont lookup again

yea its not a big cost, adds up if u r doing it every frame or something like that

[uncut viper]

i think the miniscule differences in those scenarios is not so much the best to describe the efficiency of caching

getting it from a dict is practically close to O(1)

[vernal crest]

Caching is the reason I had to invalidate Abigail's dialogue asset for the token value to change? Because when the asset requested it was cached?

[uncut viper]

correct

its cached so that when every mod or the game asks for abigails dialogue it already has a copy ready to hand out instead of reading the .xnb again

or making it go thru assetrequested every single time

[vernal crest]

And theoretically I could also cache it somewhere else and then edit that? And that edit wouldn't affect the actual Characters/Dialogue/Abigail asset?

(I have no idea why I would want to, just trying to understand what chu said about editing a cached copy.)

[uncut viper]

if you ask the game to give you that asset then you can do whatever you want with it

and it will not affect the original bc you'll be loading it into your own dictionary

but be careful to not assume that every time you ask for a thing that edits wont affect the original

like, for C# in general not smapi assets or anything

[lucid iron]

yea it is by reference too

im not actually sure if Game1.content.Load gives you a reference or a copy

i wanna say reference

[vernal crest]

If it gives a reference, would that mean my edits are affecting the original?

[lucid iron]

[i do edit only when] this value is bad, set it to null so we skip the check in future
but that is also where the use case comes in

i dont try to change stuff to different valid value

[uncut viper]

(also i just downloaded Searchable Collections Page and ran it and it still works perfectly fine for me so. shrugs)

[dusk mulch]

I think I figured out what a boolean is.

(get it... boo-lean? he is doing a peekaboo thing?... ha ha?)

[uncut viper]

the last time someone reported it they didnt send a log so i commented asking for a log, then someone else replied to that comment saying they had the same issue... and didnt provide a log. so i guess @cyan venture if you had a log that would probably be helpful

[cyan venture]

well im the second person who rep you haha

that time i was on phone so i cant have the log with me

[uncut viper]

i cannot do anything with a report without a log

[cyan venture]

wait i'll give you one

i need to start my game and use SCP first

[cyan venture]

https://smapi.io/log/a5c031b943e54d6f8f65f67e5f0653b7

here

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 10 Pro, with 117 C# mods and 178 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[uncut viper]

and that happens as soon as you load the collections page at all, or a specific tab?

(oh hi Khloe. i fixed the BGM compat for Searchable Collections Page. that patch didnt need to go on GameMenu)

[rancid musk]

(:D I was just thinking about that cause of this log)

[cyan venture]

both(?) i think

[deep cypress]

Just to check: I am trying to make a compatibility thing for someone. I am trying to make sure they can read it as in Content Patcher.

__instance.modData.Add("PolyamorySweetWeddingDate", friendship.WeddingDate.ToString());

This is a safe thing to do, as in, it will not screw the NPC up which it is added to?

[cyan venture]

it happen when i search at any category in collection page

[uncut viper]

oh, wait, rias, do you use any mods that add more tabs to the collections page?

[cyan venture]

oh hmm i think yes

[rancid musk]

Messing with moddata is fine, yeah.

[cyan venture]

i consider more book button or something like that

[uncut viper]

that doesnt add anything to the collections page

thats the powers tab

[deep cypress]

Yay!!! And the world date is as I believe, "Year int Season int", correct?

[uncut viper]

unless im confusing which mod you mean

[cyan venture]

i have to start my game again wait

[uncut viper]

actually i might be confusing what mod you meant

[lucid iron]

season is an enum

[uncut viper]

unless the mod author name is just different from nexus

but yeah if you could tell me if you have more tabs on the collections screen and which mod adds it thatd be great

[cyan venture]

before that i was still using your mod with this mod folder in july 2024 and now i play again it is broken

[lucid iron]

since you get this with ToString $"Year {Year}, {SeasonKey} {DayOfMonth}, {DayOfWeek}"

i'd probably do a different serialization without the leading Year

[cyan venture]

Do you have any thoughts about last July?

[hot gale]

Im not too familiar with NPC stuff yet, can I insert a liked/loved item to an existing NPC only? Like, can I insert my mead as a liked/giftable item to an NPC without disrupting other stuff?

[lucid iron]

{Year},{Season},{DayOfMonth}

this much shold be enough

[uncut viper]

i mean any of your other mods could have updated in the meanwhile

[cyan venture]

im almost done load my save

i'll look if i have any mod that add more tabs

i think nope

this is normal collection page right?

[uncut viper]

nope

dont know what that hammer is

[cyan venture]

crafting page

im using vanilla tweak

[rancid musk]

Think a mod that adds crafting recipes, yeah.

[uncut viper]

this is where just copying from the vanilla code bites me in the ass once again

[cyan venture]

oh i found it

crafting collection page

[uncut viper]

int[] widthUsed = new int[8];
...
widthUsed[collection.Key] = 0;
IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array.

[deep cypress]

Hammer Time! Drop the hammer! (Thor Voice): Hammer!!!! (Too many hammer memes come to mind! Sorry!!!) (Justin Hammer!!!0

[cyan venture]

but i'm not sure the guy who report this problem in your mod page first have the same mod as me

[uncut viper]

the world may never know

give me a minute

[lucid iron]

so if u remove that page does it load

[cyan venture]

yea he just report and disappear haha

ill remove the mod and try

[lucid iron]

er, that other mod

yea

[uncut viper]

oh, hey

@rancid musk that other mod is not compatible with Better Game Menu

[dusk mulch]

such a big mod guys, this is my content.json, so big right?

./s

[uncut viper]

i was confused bc the tab it added with the hammer didnt even show up for me

i assume its looking for GameMenu to be opened to add to the list

[rancid musk]

Ah, lol

Closed source mod, I can't PR it. Honestly people should just use Better Crafting's dynamic categories anyways /s /but-not-that-s

[uncut viper]

oh, lord, wait a minute

hold on i need to crack it open in ilspy

[cyan venture]

yea you can do it..

and yep

if i remove CCP your mod work perfectly

[rancid musk]

\o/

It patches CraftingPage.receiveLeftClick

another one for the pile

[uncut viper]

ah.. it does look for GameMenu to add a new tab. it adds it with an id of its mod id

yeah i wonder why widthUsed[21620] is out of range

[rancid musk]

This, uh

lmfao

[uncut viper]

its not technically incorrect to do, i guess

[rancid musk]

Patches CraftingPage.receiveLeftClick, and if you click to craft something, it tries to find the collections page and update it live.

I guess is technically works, but

[uncut viper]

i was wondering why it even touched craftingpage

i mean i guess without Better Game Menu , it makes sense?

it's not like it's going to update otherwise when you switch tabs, its already created

id really rather nooot initialize an array of size 21620 just for this...

[rancid musk]

Sounds like it is time to use the page indexes as keys and not indexes.

[uncut viper]

yeaah

which, i shouldve really done from the start. again... copying from CA. blame him /j

[vernal crest]

Yes, I think you can do so with TextOperations such as in this example #making-mods-general message

[hot gale]

Oooh didnt know Append was an option very cool

Thanks!

[rancid musk]

(Also I hope you've been liking BGM since you apparently test with it :D)

[uncut viper]

easy enough fix though, and hey, the search actually works with it

i am very pleased with how snappy it opens

is the strange gap on the right of the existing tabs temporary

[rancid musk]

Hmm?

[uncut viper]

other than that (and the loss of my gmcm button for now) i do like it

lemme re-add it rq

[rancid musk]

You can disable it in GMCM btw, to avoid needing to remove it and re-add it

Though I guess it'd help if I sent you a GMCM build with it working

[uncut viper]

yeah i was unable to open gmcm

lol

also Rias if you're still lurking ill post an updated version soon of searchable collections page with the bug fixed

[cyan venture]

yes

thanks you

[uncut viper]

this is what i mean with the strange gap btw khloe. between the 🚫 and the X

[cyan venture]

that definitely strange

[rancid musk]

Ah. Yeah, it's to do with a different way I'm handling the child menu size vs the game menu size.

Anyways, I uploaded an unofficial SpaceCore + GMCM build here on GitHub.

Make sure to use the right-click menu option to open Mod Options 😛

[cyan venture]

i need BGM too right?

[rancid musk]

Yeah, for that you also need Better Game Menu

[uncut viper]

(but not for my bugfix if thats what you mean)

[cyan venture]

hmm spacecore add any game menu?

[rancid musk]

SpaceCore replaces the Skills page, but it doesn't add a new menu.

[cyan venture]

oh

[rancid musk]

The more I mess with it the more the ability to quickly change tab providers is one of my favorite features.

[cyan venture]

Khloe

your Theme Manage mod

maybe, just maybe have some issue

it said something about Memory issue

but i cant see it in smapi log

and the issue make the game close immediately

=)) what is this

uhh i lost all of my map

even RSV in the left cant access

[rancid musk]

Yeah, there's a lot of mods that still need updates.

There's a compatibility tracker and most are still in the stage of waiting for the fix to go live.

RSV is one of them. A few map mods are there.

[cyan venture]

oh yea

i see

World Map Everywhere is what im using rn

[rancid musk]

Right. That mod is closed source. I've reached out to the dev about support.

[cyan venture]

and this too https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/29049

[rancid musk]

Haven't heard of that one before, but it's just a content pack so it should be fine.

I do appreciate people loading up with big mod packs to see what they notice though.

I hope it loads noticably faster for you than the normal game menu does.

(Mostly the first time, admittedly.)

[cyan venture]

i have all of big mod with me rn

did you make PR for Button SCP?

i cant click into the search box

[uncut viper]

SCP has not changed yet

[rancid musk]

Button still needs to release that, I think?

[uncut viper]

but clicking into it shouldnt be an issue

you are using your mouse, right. controller is not supported

[cyan venture]

mouse ofc

it work perfectly before i install BGM

but now i cant click into the search box

[uncut viper]

that is not an issue i am able to recreate

but i just uploaded a new version to nexus anyway

[cyan venture]

hmm but in console it dont have any error tho

[uncut viper]

because your crafting collections tab isnt there

[cyan venture]

i mean BGM and your mod

ah yea this is old version

UI Info Suite 2 Menu disappear is normal?

[uncut viper]

remember that BGM is still in beta. Khloe has made PRs and reached out to devs but not all mods are updated for it yet

[cyan venture]

yea im testing it

[uncut viper]

you can check compatibility status here

[cyan venture]

i just asked incase of she made a patch but i wont work

[uncut viper]

you can see the status of UI Info Suite 2 on that page

the same page you got the GMCM and spacecore builds from

[cyan venture]

i see it

wait

if she made a PR for bigger backpack

im using Morebackpackupgrade

i'll grab the mod link

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/13827

did this need it too?

[uncut viper]

.. have you checked?

[cyan venture]

i dont see it in github

[uncut viper]

manually checking every single mod out there that may be affected is a huge order. a significant portion of the intent of the open preview is for people to report it if they notice it, not just report that they think something may or may not be affected

[cyan venture]

what BGM affect to GMCM

I don't see any change.

wow

and my save load very fast

(I don't know if it's the BGM but it really loads much faster than before)

SCP work perfectly now

even the morebackpackupgrade is smoother by somehow

so amazing mod

[hot gale]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/32165

Shameless plug 🤣

[hot gale]

Is there a guide for adding support for earthy etc

to a custom map*

My insertion looks mad goofy with earthy haha

[vernal crest]

I don't know of any guides but Daisy has some files to help with recolours for Earthy https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/21545

[hot gale]

Oh dope

Thanks!

[vernal crest]

Are your grass/fence tiles custom made ones? If not, you should just be able to use vanilla tilesheets anyway.

[hot gale]

They are vanilla assets O.o I mean the grass and fence at least

[vernal crest]

Then you shouldn't have to recolour them manually.

Are you including them in your mod folder?

[hot gale]

no

oh wait

Shit i am forgot to take them out of my repo folder

derpp

I knew I wasnt going to when I released it, brainfart lmao

[vernal crest]

If you prefix them with a period, the game will use its own assets rather than the ones in your map folder.

Still better to remove them before publishing, but it can be helpful for testing to avoid having to remember to move them around.

[hot gale]

:P

oh hmm what is this o.O

[vernal crest]

You appear to have a random tile in the middle there

[hot gale]

yeah just noticed that

Odd

wasnt there before

think its medieval buildings doing that

[vernal crest]

Did you draw the building, btw?

[hot gale]

No no, its from a public tilesheet

[vernal crest]

Oh, Lumi's?

[hot gale]

I believe so

[vernal crest]

Hers is the only one I can remember with buildings. I was going to say it's a nice building xD

[hot gale]

It is! Her sheets are stunning

Inside the saloon

I may end up changing the layout, its kind of basic as far as the path to the bedroom

My first venture into making maps

[vernal crest]

Nice :) Very exclusive only allowing one table at a time xD

[hot gale]

I dont really plan on having the NPCs move around or do anything aside from tend the shop so I didnt think locking their bedroom up was necessary essentially - I may change my mind though

Haha good point

Saloon renovations in next update after this lmao

[vernal crest]

It's a very upper class saloon

By appointment only

[hot gale]

Actually might just add more rooms via doors

maybe a backyard for tables

put up a bunch of string lights

Xiddav was clutch with the giant keg and barrel stacks

Really brought the saloon together imo ;p

[vernal crest]

Yes it's very thematic

Tilesheet mods are awesome

[hot gale]

unsung (maybenot, idk tbh) heroes tbh

A lot of time to sink into something to 'give away' like that, mad respect

an NPC was in my saloon O.o

Didnt know they could path to places unless you told them

[vernal crest]

How many warps in and out of your saloon are there?

[hot gale]

Just the one, and its an action warp

Fixed the hovering tile

invisible with vanilla assets apparently

[vernal crest]

They normally do not go to places unless they are told.

[hot gale]

Jas was in my saloon

Think she is from SVE?

[vernal crest]

Is your saloon where the tree with the swing normally is?

[hot gale]

yes 😭

[vernal crest]

Jas is a vanilla NPC

[hot gale]

lmao she clicked on my door

I knew I might have issues putting the saloon there, darn

[vernal crest]

Her schedule does send her to that tree (at least in my game, not sure about vanilla).

[hard fern]

It does

[vernal crest]

I know of at least two mods that have events there too.

[hard fern]

Your door probably lines up where she needs to stand

[hot gale]

Well damn. Hmm now what

[vernal crest]

If your NPCs do not need to leave, you have more options than people frequently do because there's no need for it to be close to town.

[hot gale]

True

They dont even get into bed :p

The saloon is open 6pm-2am so not like anyone would see them do it anyway

[vernal crest]

You could put it on its own map and have a TouchAction (player-only) warp that implies that the player wandered down a little lane to get there.

[hot gale]

Might do like 6am-5am since I primarily use night owl plus anyway, might be cool for a shop to be open overnight

[vernal crest]

Then your vanilla map patch would only be a few tiles, much easier for compat.

[hot gale]

Like Lunna

or Lost in the woods

I was hoping to better integrate to the main maps but I may have to end up doing that

Maybe i can make an exit off Walk to the Desert REDUX ;p

[vernal crest]

It depends on how much you care about compat with other mods - and whether you think people are likely to keep yours over whatever it clashes with xD

[hot gale]

Yeah not holding my breath on that Im realistic lol

[vernal crest]

You could also do various options that change depending on config choice or even automatically depending on which other mods are installed.

[fathom rapids]

can i comment on something

[hot gale]

Please do

[fathom rapids]

theres sooooo much empty space. you dont need hallways that wide. modded maps keep doing this and like. have you noticed how economical vanilla indoors are?

[vernal crest]

Again, not having NPCs having to path from there makes your options much more flexible than others'

[hot gale]

I agreeeee! Maybe since I have to relocate I can just redesign the saloon now

This is my first attempt at making a map wholly by hand

[fathom rapids]

💪

you can do it!!!!

[hot gale]

Im happy with the lower half, not so much the top

As you said the hallways are bleh

[fathom rapids]

yeah the lower half looks good!

the hallways, just make them 1 tile tall

or 2, with the invisible one

(covered by the front layer of the wall in front of them)

[hot gale]

My girlfriend and I designed our halves and I like the juxtaposition

[fathom rapids]

and 2 tiles wide

[hot gale]

Thanks for the input!

It helps a lot

[fathom rapids]

like the top looks good too! in the parts where its not empty

and the bedroom will look roomy and non-cramped even after removing the extra space at the bottom you know?

yay ^^

[hot gale]

I agree :D

I originally wanted to mimic the vanilla style with the really thin hallways, but I am very NOT artistic so thats what I got 🤣

Took me way longer than I care to admit to even get the room borders working properly

w/e you call them

the ceiling liner

[vernal crest]

It took me a long time too. It takes a while to get used to how the layers work and where the tiles are.

[hot gale]

my girlfriend having tons of PS experience picked it up immediately

[vernal crest]

I always have a vanilla map open and swap over to it to find the tile that I want and then right-click it to find where it is on the tilesheet and then go back to my map and find it on the tilesheet there.

[hot gale]

She was just like yeah its layers and took off

[vernal crest]

I didn't have any issue understanding how the layers work in terms of draw order but I still get the collisions or Front stuff wrong sometimes.

[hard fern]

I black out and when i wake up i have finished maps

[vernal crest]

But it doesn't bother me because I learn best by trying something and then learning why it does or doesn't work anyway so I just do my map how I think it's going to work and then run around it and update the bits where I'm wrong.

[hot gale]

Same

Ive been working on a huge (for me) expansion to my mead mod

[vernal crest]

I'd probably give up on maps if patch reload wasn't a thing though.

I'm not about to restart the entire game because I put one single tile onto Buildings instead of Front by mistake lol

[hot gale]

I just strip everything but what im testing and frameworks/mod tools, booting is pretty quick with like 25 mods where most arent actively doing anything

that being said, I do patch reload it just doesnt work for everything

[vernal crest]

I do that too - I have mod groups set up for it - but it would still be too long if I couldn't patch reload,

Patch reload works for almost everything except config and dynamic token changes.

[hot gale]

Yeah all my i18n dont update I believe

[vernal crest]

There's a separate command for that.

[hot gale]

Ahhhhhhh

[vernal crest]

reload_i18n and then patch reload

[hot gale]

well hot damn

goodbye rebooting

Wonder how many places edit this area

Im actually more familiar with the SVE map, but afaik the bookseller doesnt go this high up

[vernal crest]

If you can see it on a vanilla map, there is at least one mod editing it lol

I wish there was a Te Reo Māori translation of Stardew so I could practice learning it when I was testing my i18n.

Wow, my idea for how to use i18n and a config token together in a dialogue string worked first go.

[vernal crest]

Caveat with reload_i18n: I don't think it works when you're adding new i18n keys, only editing existing ones.

[hot gale]

Still pretty dope

[vernal crest]

Man I really need to get rid of the Fast Forward mod

Every time I hit the key by mistake I end up unable to do anything in game

Sticking with Event Tester instead

[hot gale]

Whats that do, Fast forward?

Makes time accelerate?

[latent mauve]

You could possibly create an extra break in the trees somewhere for a path to a new map

Over by Clint/the museum/JojaMart

[hot gale]

Yeah I am actually looking at the east of Joja

[latent mauve]

You only need enough space for a path block to imply a route

Anything on map edges has the benefit of avoiding issues with vanilla NPCs walking over it

[fathom rapids]

lol I didn't know about patch reload when I was making my map mods 🤣

[hot gale]

Or areas that have no access

Maybe?

[vernal crest]

Yes, it makes everything speedy. Helpful for testing schedules. But Event Tester does it too and also does other things like plays events automatically and checks mail and dialogue and GSQs and stuff.

[latent mauve]

I have to be very careful with patch reload because I have home/schedule changes to vanilla NPCs that will reset and cause NPCs to mow down trees

[vernal crest]

Every time I was testing my shop and reloaded, Linus (my test owner) walked off so I couldn't open my shop anymore. Rather than edit my shop to not require an owner (the most sensible solution) I just ran to his spot and used debug wctm Linus every single time lol

Hooray, today's C# learning was very successful!

[last plume]

Morning, anyone know how I can reach Airyn? I want to ask him permission about creating a compatability patch for a mod of his.

[calm nebula]

(Just @ him here)

[scenic jetty]

If I wanted to make a translation of the game in a language that isn't supported rn, could anyone tell me how to get started with that? (making it as a mod I guess)

[vernal crest]

This page explains how to set up a custom language. https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Custom_languages

Once you have set up the language you will need to patch every text asset in the game to translate them. Unpacking it will help if you haven't already done so. Instructions for how to do that are here https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Editing_XNB_files#StardewXnbHack

Just because I'm curious, what language are you considering translating it to?

[scenic jetty]

Amazing thank you! I want to do Papiamento, my native language

[vernal crest]

That's awesome! Let me know if you need any help with the modding side of it; I've helped someone a little bit with their custom language before so I know a bit about it.

[scenic jetty]

That's very kind of you! Would it be okay to DM you? I've never done any kind of modding before so it's all new to me

[vernal crest]

Yup DMs are fine :) Here's a tutorial for getting started with making a Content Patcher mod too but I'm also happy to answer any questions you have about how it all works or anything. https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Content_Patcher

[slender badger]

What's up?

[last plume]

good morning airyn, i saw in your custom wedding ceremony mod that you dont provide sve support. however i am wondering if you give me permission to create patch mod if i give you credit for it. i'd call it "Custom Wedding Ceremony - SVE Compatibility"

again i would give you credit for original mod, just wanted to ask if I can make this compatibility patch. I thought it be a good opportunity to learn and practice C#

[slender badger]

Sorry, but no. You're welcome to do your own custom ceremony for SVE if you like (without using my code or assets), but I don't want my version edited for SVE compat.

You also don't need C# for that

[last plume]

oh ok. is custom wedding ceremony a CP mod? I thought it would require SMAPI.

and that's fine, i respect that. I might do that, but i will ask flash first

[slender badger]

It's CP, yes. All my mods are, with the exception of DSV Core

[last plume]

ok. thanks. have a good day.

[deep cypress]

Hi loves! Is this the correct format for Winter Star GIfts?

    "WinterStarGifts": {
                "ID": "LantanaWinterStarGift",
                "RandomItemId": [ "(O)341", "(O)394", "(O)797", "(O)873" ] 
        },

[cyan marsh]

how is everyone doing today

[hard fern]

Tummyache central

[cyan marsh]

that was me last night e.e

[deep cypress]

You will want to edit the wedding event, using Content Patcher.

[last plume]

oh interesting. thanks for clarifying. i had no idea before

[regal knot]

Otherwise I will only be able to make mods 50,000 years later

Just realized my real name exposed

[brittle ledge]

You can make CP mods without coding experience pretty easily. (Copilot won't know anything about CP, so don't bother trying)

[regal knot]

I thought CP is a person's name 💀

I was thinking why CP is so productive

[lucid iron]

You need to be in a drawing context to draw things yes

[brittle ledge]

Nope, it's Content Patcher, which is what about half the content packs of Stardew use.

[lucid iron]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Events#Display.RenderingHud

[regal knot]

can you add new item in CP?

[lucid iron]

Pick one of these render events

Yeah

[regal knot]

Oh

[modest pumice]

I had a lot of fun updating my mod and now I've got the bug but all my ideas require me to be better at art. Tragic.

[vernal crest]

I got to that point too! I overcame it by dedicating myself to learning to get better at art and then drawing what I wanted even if I didn't think it was good enough. It has proved to be a much better decision than choosing not to make mods anymore.

[brittle ledge]

I overcame it by paying other people to do my art

(Which is also a valid option, to be clear)

[vernal crest]

It totally is! I strongly encourage it also. I have paid for art for one of my mods too.

[regal knot]

What kind of art?

Aren't there a lot art people in this server too

[brittle ledge]

Yep!

!commissions

[ocean sail]

If you're looking for people who do mod commissions (either art or code), here's a wiki page with a non-comprehensive list of people who do them: https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Stardew_Mod_Commissions

To use this command, type !commissions.

[vernal crest]

Yes, they're the people we're paying, usually lol

[regal knot]

Sometimes I like art more than programming

If the workload is not too big, I can help with it maybe

[vernal crest]

I commissioned a portrait pair from my friend Pau for my Trader Sialia mod.

[brittle ledge]

Yeah for example, I've commissioned Taiyou (author of Vanilla Tweaks) for my recent Little Free Library mod and Airyn (author of DSV) for my NPC portraits and sprites.

[modest pumice]

Haha I definitely should find some low stakes stuff to practice with I think. I don't really want to commission as many fish as I want to make so practice it is!

[vernal crest]

I have found it very satisfying learning to draw for Stardew. I find pixel art at this size much easier than any other drawing endeavour I've ever attempted.

[brittle ledge]

Fish are probably one of the easier things you can do! Speaking from experience as that's about the only thing I've successfully sprited

[modest pumice]

I've done some very simple pixel art for cross stitch patterns before, but it was mostly doodles and text lol so this is a change

[brittle ledge]

Cross stitch basically is pixel art so that's a leg up

[vernal crest]

I enjoyed drawing my fish the other day except for having to look at all the pictures of fish for reference. That was too sad so I have sworn off drawing fish.

[hard fern]

stardew was the first time i ever tried pixel art

absolutely no experience or knowlegde of how it's even supposed to work 😭

[brittle ledge]

You had prior art experience in general, right?

[hard fern]

uhh, idk if i'd call it "experience" in a formal sense

but ive been drawing for practically my whole life?

[shut mountain]

I had an idea like 2 years ago that I feel like acting on now

[reef kiln]

Snake milk counts as a special power right? So I can't just add a mod with a 2nd snake milk to get the buff twice. I would have to make a whole new special power and stuff right?

[shut mountain]

I don't know. Lemme try something real quick (it's probably gonna be about 5 minutes )

Also I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. I'm just going to spawn multiple snake milks and see if the effect stacks

[reef kiln]

I don't think the snake milk is an item. It is just something mr qi gives you on floor 100.

[hallow prism]

it uses some mail thing to give the boost

[shut mountain]

Oh. Then what's iridium milk?

[reef kiln]

Iridium snake milk i think is what it is called. I may be wrong.

[shut mountain]

Ah, then I can spawn multiple and drink them :D

[latent mauve]

Not sure if anyone answered you, but I believe you may need a [ ] around your list of item data models.

Been a while since I did them, but that's how I coded them on my winter star gift helper in the NPC builder.

[brittle pasture]

the iridium milk item has no special capabilities. it only exists to serve as a sprite in the special level 100 skull cavern event, which is the actual thing that gives you the boost

[reef kiln]

Does it give you a permanent 25 health each time? That was basically what I was wondering?

[shut mountain]

Then why is my health bar so big? ;-;

[shut mountain]

I got 180 health. Not sure what you start with

[shut mountain]

Okay, nope, the snake milk I spawned did nothing

[shut mountain]

Oh. Level 10 combat probably

[latent mauve]

Also apparently nobody reported to me that I didn't code the gift helper formula to support RandomItemId, so I will get that fixed later today xD

[brittle pasture]

in vanilla, 205 is the maximum amount of health you can have if you have max combat level, pick both the HP increasing professions, and saw the level 100 event

[shut mountain]

All that's missing is the milk then

[brittle pasture]

that's "saw the level 100 event"

[shut mountain]

I know