making-mods-general

[tiny zealot]

i like to think the kids still say F, because i do that and that would make me Still Cool, but they probably don't

(narrator: he was never cool)

[calm nebula]

(I looked up the year that happened and that was one of my busy years, so no wonder I had no idea)

also the wiki page 😦

that's amazing

one second

hey @ivory plume https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/3366e0d4b86711d8eba3a79394cf51e26a48c3da/ContentPatcher/Framework/InvariantSets.cs#L25

[tranquil quiver]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/08aee8b6331341e8aeb03815e6bad289

json is saying there is no errors but its still not working

[brittle pasture]

hmm your file looks fine to me. what's not working specifically?

any errors in the console?

[tranquil quiver]

I'm trying to edit the vanilla marriage sprites

hmmm.. ill take a look

[gilded comet]

oh this is hell ! cool!

[ivory plume]

Yeah, strings containing i18n should probably be excluded from the singleton optimizations.

[calm nebula]

would be as simple as changing here, maybe? https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/3366e0d4b86711d8eba3a79394cf51e26a48c3da/ContentPatcher/Framework/Tokens/ValueProviders/TranslationValueProvider.cs#L76?

[ivory plume]

Well, we should still apply the optimization when it doesn't change the text. So we could add a bool caseSensitive = false argument to that method.

[tranquil quiver]

Unfortunately no errors on the console either.. i am using DSV but i checked “off” option on the sprites i want to change. Otherwise idk what’s going wrong

[calm nebula]

I feel like it would be so uncommon though, for the value to be a known token of "true"/"false" whatever

I honestly think hacking InvariantSet to support a discriminated union of (single value) vs (hashset of multiple values) might better

[heady crest]

is there a way to have year 1 only schedules? saw smth like that for dialogues on the wiki but not for schedules

[ivory plume]

It's essentially a free optimization since we already have the logic for other value providers. I guess either way isn't a big deal though.

[calm nebula]

thinking about it, a lot of tokens are one item only

this is...pretty doable

it's already an interface

[tiny zealot]

there's only one schedule i know offhand that only affects year 1 (green rain), but you can do it pretty easily with content patcher conditions/tokens

[heady crest]

i wanna have a arrival day specific schedule, ill look into that later then

[brittle pasture]

have you tested with only your mod?
have you double checked that the files exist in the assets folder, and with show file extension enabled?

[tranquil quiver]

Ok i checked the 1st 2 and still nothing

This is my 1st mod.. so I’ll brb. I have to go figure out what’s a file extension 😅

[brittle pasture]

!fileextensions

[ocean sail]

Hidden File Extensions

Windows and Mac hide most file extensions by default. If you are creating or updating mods, it's helpful to show file extensions so that you can be sure all mod files are named correctly.

To show file extensions on your computer:

On Windows 10, open File Explorer, click on the View tab, then check the File Name Extensions box.

On Windows 11, open File Explorer and click on View > Show > File Name Extensions.

On Mac, open Finder, and in the menu bar, click on Finder > Settings (or Preferences) > Advanced, then check the Show all filename extensions box.

To use this command, type !fileextensions.

[tranquil quiver]

Oh ok thanks I’ll double check to make sure it’s enabled

[brittle pasture]

Also post your log if you're able. It might be the case your mod isn't detected

[ashen goblet]

Hello! Everything is going well with the mod I'm making--I'm looking at the portraits section now! Though, how can I have the code recognize the ($1, $2.. etc) when it comes to portraits

[brittle pasture]

the log shows all enabled mods, along other info

[uncut viper]

as long as you put them in the same grid layout as the normal portraits those commands will choose the same ones

[ashen goblet]

Where can i find the grid layout?

[tiny zealot]

traditionally, portrait sheets are two columns, so:

[uncut viper]

!unpack have you unpacked your files?

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[ashen goblet]

I have!

[tiny zealot]

$2 $3
$4 $5```
etc.

[ashen goblet]

Thank you guys!

Greatly helped

[tiny zealot]

(not me hitting enter instead of shift-enter by mistake, couldn't be me)

[uncut viper]

you can double check the portraits in your unpacked folder if you ever forget too

[tiny zealot]

there's no requirement to use two columns though. the number is just the order they come in, left to right and top to bottom

[uncut viper]

you're also not limited to just those 6 portraits, theyre just the ones with shortcuts

[tiny zealot]

(cf. avi's lance mod with 104 portraits)

[uncut viper]

which im realizing now arent in that wiki screenshot so that might make no sense to you

[tiny zealot]

they're on the main wiki https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Dialogue#Portrait_commands
but not in tia's tutorial (tia always uses the numbers, so that tracks)

[uncut viper]

also re: two columns, its still probably better to follow that convention to not break any potential EditImages though since those use coordinates

[tiny zealot]

if it's a new asset for a new NPC it's probably safe to do whatever you want. anyone who wants to edit it will have to look at it anyway, i would think

[uncut viper]

unless someone wants to do somethin dynamically in C# for all portraits

[tiny zealot]

don't you have access to the image dimensions in that case?

[uncut viper]

you do, but its a lot easier to just say like "apply an overlay to these coordinates on all portraits" than do math to figure things out per portrait just to catch the one mod that doesnt follow the convention

[true coyote]

Does reducing a buildings exterior footprint involve a lot of indepth coding/work? I wanted to make tinier sheds but still have the same amount of room inside

[brittle pasture]

not at all, just a patch to the building data exterior size

[uncut viper]

the interior space has no bearing on the exterior

[lucid iron]

except fish ponds which have draw logic, most buildings r just a sprite

[teal bridge]

Is there monster data or are they all hard-coded?

[sacred rain]

Finding testing material for my savefile parser is genuinely hard! I need a 1.6.8 maxxed out save, but apparently that's impossible

[lucid iron]

there's monster data

its just drops and hp i think? very little info about their behaviors

no uniform sprites either

[calm nebula]

Easier than you think

Upload.farm

[uncut viper]

theres some misc other stuff in the monster data but their behaviour is mostly hardcoded yeah

[calm nebula]

Load it once in 1.6.8 so migrations run

[teal bridge]

Yeah, I just thought I'd supersize the tab demo with something useful, so drops and HP are about right. Where are they, though? What data?

[lucid iron]

Data/Monsters

[uncut viper]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Monster_data

[sacred rain]

yes, but it wouldn't have 100 percented in 1.6.8

so stuff will be missing

[teal bridge]

Oh, so there is no class for monster data, you can only get the string? Lame.

[uncut viper]

theres a perfection debug command if that helps

[lucid iron]

DataLoader.Monsters(Game1.content)

[teal bridge]

Yeah I know... it's a Dictionary<string, string>

[lucid iron]

yea its succ

i had to hardcode the texture rects when i made notifs

[late pewter]

Potentially stupid Farm Map making question: Can I put something on the Paths layer that is also occupied by a tile on the Buildings layer? If I put something partially obscuring it on the Front Layer, will that tile draw correctly over the bush or whatever?

Part of me wants to say yes to all of those, part of me wonders if bushes and such will fial to spawn if something is on the buildings layer...

[lucid iron]

same as how vanilla does it for monster help wanted quests

Paths isnt rendered

terrain feature (like bush) is drawn based on their position iirc, nothing to do with map layers

paths just tell game to "put bush here for me"

[tiny zealot]

some indoor lights, too

[late pewter]

Ok, so the game will merrily place a bush or tree onto terrain that can't otherwise be walked on?

Or naturally spawn tree seeds

[lucid iron]

not too sure about that one i think not?

but you can use Passable F on back if u just dont want ppl walking over it

but u know, bush itself also makes it not walkable

[velvet narwhal]

listen, i regret making the damn thing

[brave fable]

i don't even have 104 different emotions in my life, how can you possibly reach that many

[velvet narwhal]

tbf it's only really 20 some odd actual emotes, i was an egg and wanted some coloration but didn't want to set overlays because i didn't know the update rate of overlays

[late pewter]

I'll probably just put a fake bush here instead. My concern was people being able to shake the bush from what is technically the bottom of a cliff.

[brittle pasture]

By taking Thalasin Plus of course

[lucid iron]

you may have problems with bush bloom mod yes

SVE secret woods has some unreachable bushes

extremely saddening

[late pewter]

I'll have real bushes around, too. Not all the bushes need to participate in a bloom.

[lucid iron]

but if u dont actualy desire interactivity

u can just put them in as tiles

its not a issue

[tiny zealot]

don't give Cthulhu a stat block use an actual bush unless you expect your players to kill shake it

[late pewter]

Another concern is people using the destroyable bushes mod to jump up cliffs.

So fake bushes it is.

[velvet narwhal]

...jump up cliffs?

[shell heron]

Thank you this works, its fine for personal play through. but now there's a issue that it spawns fruit when you pick just mushrooms :/

[lucid iron]

if u want it to spawn different stuff depending on pick then u just gotta have 2 entries

[vernal crest]

Not sure if this is related to your EditImage changes not working, but your Format is really low. It should be 2.3.0.

[teal bridge]

Cats are monsters, apparently. Dogs are cool though.

[soft wolf]

With content patcher, how do I add to the "modData" dictionary? It used to be something like:

"ModData": {
    "MyCustomData": 1
}

But that doesn't seem to work for me any more

[lucid iron]

why do u need to add mod data

[true coyote]

Cool! Guess I'll have to dig around tomorrow for the file... and adjust the sprites. Or maybe Wednesday when child is at daycare and I have time to focus

[lucid iron]

(not saying u cant, but best if we know what mod this is for)

[zenith robin]

Does anyone know if I was to make a quick fix for UIInfoSuite2 not recognizing the new SVE trees, would that be something I could share with others? I can't find any info about it on the github page.

[soft wolf]

Updating my Automator mod. It patches a method in Automate to make it return null unless a key in the mod data for that chest exists.

[uncut viper]

UIInfoSuite probably would accept PRs however i imagine probably not at the moment since iirc the person working on it is still working on overhauling it to use GMCM instead?

[lucid iron]

do you want to use CustomFields instead?

[tiny zealot]

definitely sounds like a thing you should send a PR for, since it's in active development

[zenith robin]

I sent a PR, but I know a lot of people want the mod to work, and don't want to wait, but at the same time I don't want to accidently do something the mod author would not want.

[brave fable]

is UIIS2 in active development though?

[soft wolf]

Maybe. Not sure what the difference is. Here is the method I'm patching:

private static void Automate_AutomationFactory_GetFor_SObject__Postfix(ref IAutomatable __result)
{
    if (__result is IContainer container)
    {
        Chest chest = container.Location.getObjectAtTile(__result.TileArea.X, __result.TileArea.Y) as Chest;
        if (chest != null && !chest.modData.ContainsKey(ModDataId)) __result = null;
    }
}

[lucid iron]

ah it's gotta be specific to instance of chest

[tiny zealot]

last i heard (cf. button's comment), but i also don't pay attention

[uncut viper]

it would depend on UIIS2's license situation then, i guess, which im unfamiliar with

[lucid iron]

can you add this with CP

[zenith robin]

I assumed so, but as I said I can't find anything on it.

[uncut viper]

i dont know how you would add mod data to a specifc chest with CP

[soft wolf]

That's what I'm trying to do. It used to work, but doesn't seem to any more:

{
  "Format": "2.3.0",
  "Changes": [
    // Load Texture
    {
      "LogName": "Load Automator Texture",
      "Action": "Load",
      "Target": "KristianSkistad.Automators.Content/Automator",
      "FromFile": "assets/automator.png"
    },

    // Load Storage Data
    {
      "LogName": "Load Automator Object",
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/BigCraftables",
      "Entries": {
        "Automator": {
          "Name": "Automator",
          "DisplayName": "{{i18n: automator.name}}",
          "Description": "{{i18n: automator.description}}",
          "Texture": "KristianSkistad.Automators.Content/Automator",
          "ModData": {
            "KristianSkistad.Automator": 1
          },
          "CustomFields": {
            "furyx639.ExpandedStorage/Enabled": "true"
          }
        }
      }
    }
  ]
}

[lucid iron]

oh there was a framework after all

yea i think u can just use customfields instead

Data/BigCraftable must have lost ModData at some point

[uncut viper]

well, absent a clearly laid out license, the answer legally defaults to "no you cannot do that"
someone else might be more informed about whether or not theres free permissions/license to do stuff with UIIS2 though, but that aint me

[lucid iron]

so the goal is to mark certain custom chests (made with ExpandedStorage) as "automators" right

[zenith robin]

Okay. Thank you for the info.

[lucid iron]

certain types of custom chests

not individual instance of chest

[soft wolf]

Correct. It disables all chests from automation, and only allows a new chest called an "Automator" to be automated.

[lucid iron]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Making_Framework_Mods#CustomFields

guide fresh out of the oven

u can see that ExpandedStorage is also using it

[soft wolf]

Am I at least going about this the right way so far? I've basically shared my entire mod at this point lol it's not very big, just the one patched method and that content patcher file.

[lucid iron]

yea it seems fine

well, insomuchas i been describe mod and u seem to agree that i interpreted the mod correctly

big craftables are a bit weird cus they dont have their own type

get data like this

Game1.bigCraftableData.TryGetValue(itemId, out var bigCraftableData)

and then the whole ?.CustomFields?.TryGet etc

[uncut viper]

looked into it a little bit more, seems the repo for UIIS2 removed its MIT license back in March bc it wasnt allowed to have one in begin with bc the original repo its forked from didnt have a license in the first place. so. i still wouldnt do it (especially since im sure most people would rather just use the official UIIS2 version) but itd technically be in the same kind of gray area as UIIS2 itself is, i guess

id still just wait for the PR to be accepted

[zenith robin]

Yeah, makes sense. Thank you for looking into that.

[uncut viper]

("gray area")

[lucid iron]

you can always make UI3

as long as it's all new code

[calm nebula]

(Someone really should.)

I nominate chue

[uncut viper]

its tempting if for no other reason than to put it under a completely open license

[calm nebula]

Yeah

[uncut viper]

i didnt realize UI info suite 1 was also a rewrite of another mod with no license/permissions listed lol

permissions mess all the way down

[kindred hawk]

How could I even begin making a mod for PIF(Personal Rooms) https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/20537 I want to make a tiny kitchen map but I wouldn't know where to start

[uncut viper]

that said im not tempted enough bc i dont know enough about what UI info suite actually does ive never looked at all the features it adds

[vernal crest]

Download someone else's PIF room and copy them.

[calm nebula]

Someone really should do a clean room rewrite tbh

[uncut viper]

i have never looked at the source code for it..

[lucid iron]

i dont actually know the features of uii2

besides the fact that it adds a tab

[kindred hawk]

Alright I'll try to do that, thanks.

[vernal crest]

I use UIS2 and I don't know what it does lol

[tiny zealot]

ditto. i've barely looked at it in any sense

[velvet narwhal]

(there is documentation at the bottom for pif)

[lucid iron]

it adds a bunch of icons i guess?

and tooltips

something like that

[uncut viper]

sounds like we all make good candidates to draw straws to see who does the rewrite /s

[vernal crest]

I can see what my crops are when they are in the ground

[calm nebula]

Great!

[lucid iron]

nou

[vernal crest]

That's one thing it does that I can remember off the top of my head

[calm nebula]

Chue, i nominated you

[velvet narwhal]

make uber decide fate

[uncut viper]

whats the command for it again, just .choose?

[vernal crest]

It shows NPCs on the world map

[lucid iron]

i have to remake lookup anything in stardewui first

[uncut viper]

.choose chu, button, ichor, atra

[patent lance]

Choose result: atra

[uncut viper]

lmao

[vernal crest]

AH HA HA HA

[tiny zealot]

F

[lucid iron]

[calm nebula]

I'M RETIRED

[uncut viper]

tell that to uber

[calm nebula]

UBER WHAT ARE YOU DOINg

[velvet narwhal]

stardewui is only for pulling up new menus, right?

[calm nebula]

Have I not been nice enough?

[lucid iron]

right now yes

[velvet narwhal]

definitely not, the splitscreen fiasco probably got uber to hate you

[gilded comet]

can't argue with uber i guess....

[lucid iron]

u can check talk in the thread about challanges for changing piece of existing ui with starml rn

though the problems mentioned arent problems with shared lib version

[calm nebula]

I'm going to sleep

[soft wolf]

So like this?

private static void Automate_AutomationFactory_GetFor_SObject__Postfix(ref IAutomatable __result)
        {
            if (__result is IContainer container)
            {
                Chest chest = container.Location.getObjectAtTile(__result.TileArea.X, __result.TileArea.Y) as Chest;
                if (chest != null)
                {
                    Game1.bigCraftableData.TryGetValue(chest.itemId.Value, out var bigCraftableData);
                    if (bigCraftableData != null && bigCraftableData.CustomFields.ContainsKey(ModDataId)) __result = null;
                }
            }
        }

[velvet narwhal]

i still have yet to touch it because i honestly have nothing to make a menu with

[calm nebula]

Uber we will renegotiate in the morning

[uncut viper]

atra needs to be well rested to start on the ui info suite rewrite tomorrow

[lucid iron]

yea seems fine, give it a shot

[velvet narwhal]

"nothing to it but to do it" s'what i say

[lucid iron]

btw if u do ```cs u get syntax highlighting in discord

oh but besides whole menus

[soft wolf]

Wait, for real? That's awesome

[lucid iron]

there is features for HUD displays

that might be something u want in small doses

[uncut viper]

(tbh looking at this list of UIIS2 features im realizing theres actually quite a few that i just thought were vanilla lmao)

[velvet narwhal]

maybe, i would have to look at hooking things to specific spots on the hud

[soft wolf]

Hmmmm now every chest is automated again

[lucid iron]

did you change over the CP side too

make sure it's using the C# mod's id and stuff

[soft wolf]

{
  "Format": "2.3.0",
  "Changes": [
    // Load Texture
    {
      "LogName": "Load Automator Texture",
      "Action": "Load",
      "Target": "KristianSkistad.Automators.Content/Automator",
      "FromFile": "assets/automator.png"
    },

    // Load Storage Data
    {
      "LogName": "Load Automator Object",
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/BigCraftables",
      "Entries": {
        "Automator": {
          "Name": "Automator",
          "DisplayName": "{{i18n: automator.name}}",
          "Description": "{{i18n: automator.description}}",
          "Texture": "KristianSkistad.Automators.Content/Automator",
          "CustomFields": {
            "furyx639.ExpandedStorage/Enabled": "true",
            "KristianSkistad.Automator": 1
          }
        }
      }
    }
  ]
}

[uncut viper]

are you sure your ModDataId is right?

the target for the texture has Automators, plural, but your customfields key has Automator, singular, so maybe double check which one your code is looking for

[soft wolf]

Yep, it's correct. So this would mean it's saying every big craftable contains the key now, right?

[uncut viper]

every Automator bigcraftable will have that key yeah

[lucid iron]

although i'd expect this to still prevent automation on everything

[soft wolf]

Hmmm well it seems to think every chest now has the custom field

[kindred hawk]

For PIF(Personal Rooms) it says to create your own room you can just edit the cozy sunroom farm but how and where would you go to edit it once you have the cozy sunroom farm installed?

[lucid iron]

you need to make your own PIF pack still

[velvet narwhal]

!mapmaking

[ocean sail]

If you want to make mods that add or edit maps:

1. Use Tiled to edit .tmx or .tbin files.

2. Refer to the Maps wiki page for details on how maps work in Stardew Valley.

3. Content Patcher allows you to create custom locations through editing Data/Locations

4. Vanilla Maps can be edited via Content Patcher as well: EditMap

To use this command, type !mapmaking.

[lucid iron]

but you can start with existing one

do you already have a tmx?

[velvet narwhal]

it's not an in-game room builder if that's what you were thinking

[soft wolf]

lol I was checking if it had the field, not if it didn't to disable automation.

Missing that all important !

[lucid iron]

but u fixed it and now it work yes

[soft wolf]

Yes! 😄 Now just to make it craftable and require farming level 10.

[calm nebula]

Remind me in three days I guess

Sorry. That was meant to be for botto

Remind me to take a look in three days

Remind me in three days to take a look

[uncut viper]

this is part of uber's renegotiation process

[brave fable]

remind @calm nebula in 3 days to "take a look"

[patent lance]

grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and bblueberry... i remind people. I'M A FORCE A NATURE (#6299858) (3d | <t:1729134606>)

[calm nebula]

Oh my god okay I'll just write it down

Oh my god

[lucid iron]

do u think people want to make royal serpent like companions

[tiny zealot]

gotta use actual numbers i guess and not spell them out?

[lucid iron]

i feel like i have to make bootleg spine for that

[brave fable]

int(three) clearly doesn't fly with uber

[soft wolf]

So, uhhhh...got any tutorials handy on how to make this craftable and unlock at farming level 10? Cause my old content patcher file doesn't work any more and I can NOT remember how this part "Automator": "122 1 337 5 787 5/Home/232/true/null/{{i18n: automator.name}}" works lol

// Add Crafting Recipe
    {
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/CraftingRecipes",
      "Entries": {
        "Automator": "122 1 337 5 787 5/Home/232/true/null/{{i18n: automator.name}}"
      }
    },

    // Add Unlockable
    {
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "furyx639.ExpandedStorage/Unlock",
      "Entries": {
        "Automator": "true"
      },
      "When": {
        "query: {{SkillLevel:Farming}} >= 10": true
      }
    }

[lucid iron]

i think it still works like that

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_Recipes_with_CP

[soft wolf]

My formatting was just out of date on the recipe, almost got it working just how I want now, thanks @lucid iron ❤️

[ashen goblet]

Heya again! I just have a concern with the formatting of codes--I'm still going through Tia's wiki, though I need verification to whether the way it's all... copy+pasted (to be edited into my npc ofc) is correct

I feel confused to the many spaces in the front, so have to make sure!

[vernal crest]

What are you using for a text editor? You don't appear to have any syntax highlighting or indent indicators, both of which would make things much easier for you.

[ashen goblet]

Just notepad in itself

I tried Notepad++, though couldn't understand it

[vernal crest]

What couldn't you understand about N++?

[ashen goblet]

It didn't indicate any different colors or so--I'm not sure

[vernal crest]

I'd recommend you try again, or try using Visual Studio Code instead

You probably didn't have your N++ set to display JSON5

[ashen goblet]

What do I do with it?

[uncut viper]

if you just opened notepad++ and pasted it in, rather than making a .json and opening it with notepad++, you probably just needed to select the right language (json in this case)

[ashen goblet]

Do I just.. insert the code?

Got you

I'll try it again

[uncut viper]

in the top toolbar in N++ look for "Language", go to J, then JSON

[ashen goblet]

What should I do following that?

[heady crest]

are there any vsc extensions for stardew syntax?

[uncut viper]

it should highlight things different colours at that point, and it will help notice things if suddenly something you expect to be one colour is a different colour entirely (or commonly if you miss a comma or quote or something, the entire file will suddenly become one colour after the typo)

it also handles indenting and stuff better

[vernal crest]

Since you're using comments, I recommend JSON5 instead of JSON

[ashen goblet]

Thank you!

[uncut viper]

my N++ doesnt have JSON5 so i assumed that was a plugin and didnt say it

[vernal crest]

Because JSON dislike comments and won't be able to tell if a multi-line comment is closed or not

[uncut viper]

if yours does though definitely go for it

[vernal crest]

Hmm. My N++ has JSON5 and I don't remember adding it as a plugin, but I might've done

[uncut viper]

admittedly it might be because i havent updated N++ since early 2021 lmao

[vernal crest]

No but you can use schemas https://github.com/Pathoschild/SMAPI/blob/develop/docs/technical/web.md#using-a-schema-file-directly

Ah that might be it haha. My N++ is up to date.

[ashen goblet]

Thank you guys!

[ashen goblet]

What colors are there, and what do each indicate?

[uncut viper]

it depends on your theme, it just helps that the different pieces are different colours. just for easier scanning/glancing

no specific colours

[rancid temple]

linkoid made Stardew Syntax for VSC

I haven't used it, but it offers more color stuff

[heady crest]

what is a "temporary dialogue key"?

[late pewter]

Trying to test my huge farm map and I think I did something extremely stupid, can someone spot what I'm doing wrong??

[vernal crest]

The description of that is that it's specifically for events and dialogue. I find the colouring from it confusing but I keep it for the excellent conversion from single-line to multi-line events.

[uncut viper]

your .tmx has tilesheet climbing in it

!tilesheetclimbing

[ocean sail]

When creating or editing maps in Tiled, one common error is tilesheet climbing, marked by red text containing "invalid tilesheet path '../../..'. This is caused by SMAPI not being able to find the tilesheets needed by the map file. To prevent this error, make sure that you have a copy of all necessary tilesheets in the folder containing your WIP tmx file. Copies of vanilla tilesheets can later be deleted, but must be present while working on your map.

If you get this error with a completed map, an easy way to fix it is to open your tmx file in VS Code or a similar text editor, find all of the places with <image source=, and remove the filepaths to so that only the tilesheet names remain. For example, if the code says <image source="Content (unpacked)/Maps/townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>, change it to just <image source="townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>.

To use this command, type !tilesheetclimbing.

[uncut viper]

in this case its for the .tsx

[late pewter]

Aw heck, ok.

[vernal crest]

Also please provide links to the smapi.io log parser and json validator next time. It's much, much easier to read than just uploading your docs into discord.

[vernal crest]

Context?

[rancid temple]

Ah, well that's good to know. I probably won't ever have need of it then lol

[velvet narwhal]

if i knew how the yaml worked i'd be attempting to push it more, but since i don't actively understand things like the whitespace bits, i haven't bothered

[vernal crest]

That's YACP, not their VSC extension

[velvet narwhal]

yeah, but recent resurgence of new modders getting lost in the bracket sandwiches have made me contemplate it

[vernal crest]

I use the VSC extension but not YACP because I don't find YACP easier than using json

[heady crest]

"failed setting temporary dialogue key "strings/schedules/maxine:coffee.000" schedule dialogue for the npc with coffee anim

[lucid iron]

I'm not sure how someone with no spaget background feel about either format

Json vs yaml

[heady crest]

i downloaded that one but idk how to get it to work lol

[vernal crest]

If you click on it in your extensions list it will open the instructions for it.

[vernal crest]

You might have written your schedule string incorrectly. Can you share your json and log?

[teal bridge]

The HUD and general drawable support went in today, so you can host UI pretty much anywhere.

On a semi-unrelated note, is there a handy function to get the "error item" sprite?

(without having to actually create an error item, that is)

[heady crest]

https://smapi.io/log/6aa9c3a5587b467f8285c24d4c5dad2b
https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/5817743eb0ac4f2587eaa28cd59fed58

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.0.8 with SDV 1.6.8 build 24119 on Microsoft Windows 10 Home, with 19 C# mods and 5 content packs.

[vernal crest]

Can you share your json where you load your strings file please?

[heady crest]

the whole content json? or just the load part

[vernal crest]

The whole json is fine

[late pewter]

Is this how it's supposed to look or is this still wrong?

[uncut viper]

i think ItemRegistry.GetTypeDefinition("O").GetErrorTexture(); is as good as you can get

[heady crest]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/025e53b98b32470a825dd0fd3b5c78a4

its at line 242

[uncut viper]

or just pull it from the first item in ItemRegistry.ItemTypes

[vernal crest]

Those sources look okay - although I don't know why you have so many tsx files? If you're not reusing them across lots of maps, you probably don't need any. But you need to check inside the tsx files to make sure your sources inside those are not tilesheet climbing.

[teal bridge]

Sad. Is that texture actually in the vanilla sprite sheets?

[heady crest]

i mean 210

[rancid temple]

(if you click the line number, it'll change the link to take people direclty there and you can share that instead)

[uncut viper]

ive got no clue where it is tbh

[velvet narwhal]

is it the one in cursors? i'll go look

[teal bridge]

I actually don't see one in cursors, which is always the first place I look.

But I could be suffering from Cursor Blindness.

[rancid temple]

I would check the latest cursors

Error items are new

The game just used to crash

[vernal crest]

Your log is saying that the game is trying to find a file called "Strings\schedules\Maxine" but your file is called "Strings/schedules/{{modID}}_Maxine"

[teal bridge]

What do you mean "latest"? I always look at unpacked data from the actual game.

[uncut viper]

i think they mean like Cursors_1_6

[rancid temple]

Like Cursors_1_6

[teal bridge]

Oh yeah. I've got that open too but didn't see it. I'll check again.

[velvet narwhal]

not this thing, right?

[teal bridge]

I always have Cursors, Cursors1_6 and Cursors2 open.

[heady crest]

what

[teal bridge]

Hmm, that looks at least similar, not sure if it's the same one.

I guess that is in Cursors, ha.

[uncut viper]

(also i realize now GetErrorTexture just returns cursors and i couldve known the answer in like a second lol. you'll want GetERrorSourceRect too i suppose)

[teal bridge]

Thanks, I'll just stick the rectangle in cursors json, it's easier for this case.

[velvet narwhal]

{
    return "LooseSprites\\Cursors";
}``` ? ![SMCPensiveMove](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/839296961944485939.webp?size=128 "SMCPensiveMove")  no idea

[vernal crest]

...I don't know how to make that clearer. Can you share your Schedule.json file so I can show you?

[heady crest]

uh here https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/4567398f3ecc417581d4e9610b609fa2

idk why its empty on the page tho

or almost

[heady crest]

does that mean i just remove the id or smth? i don ge it

[vernal crest]

Okay see how you've written \"Strings\\schedules\\Maxine:Coffee.000\"? But if you look at your code where you loaded the file into the game, the target is "Strings/schedules/{{modID}}_Maxine" instead. So you need to write \"Strings\\schedules\\{{modID}}_Maxine:Coffee.000\" in your schedule file (and do the same for the other strings too).

    {
      "LogName": "Maxine Schedule Dialogues",
      "Action": "Load",
      "Target": "Strings/schedules/{{modID}}_Maxine",
      "FromFile": "assets/CharacterFiles/Dialogue/Maxine/ScheduleDialogue.json"
    }

[heady crest]

so i need one of those for each dialogue?

oh OH

nvm i got it now

[vernal crest]

You're welcome

[heady crest]

thanks !! ! ! ! ! !

[teal bridge]

I've decided that I hate monster data. A quarter of the display names are wrong, sprites are missing, dimensions are all over the place, animations sometimes have blank spaces between frames... what an absolute shitshow.

[late pewter]

OH I'M A DUMMY AND DIDN'T EMBED THE TILESETS LOL.

Ok, so this is why i wanted to test my map even though it is very not done - I want to get ahead of this before I get very far because it drives me nuts: Does anyone know a reasonable way of avoiding this shadow showing? Do I need more Front Layers??

[velvet narwhal]

i don't know the difference between Front and AlwaysFront, but i also don't make my cliffs close to that point you could make that | piece of the cliff on the front layer?

[rancid temple]

I would put the same cliff you have on Buildings there also on Front

Because Buildings renders below the player, but when the player is above a tile, they render behind Front

[ashen goblet]

For locations (X, and Y) since I'm making an custom NPC; how do we determine/or get the information of X and Y?

[velvet narwhal]

ah yeah, vanilla maps you'll see a lot of duplicate looking tiles from buildings placed onto front

[late pewter]

Hmm, I'll have to look into this a bit more.

Also, I think embedding the tilesets broke something? My waves are not animated anymore and the docks flash between looking right and looking totally off.

[uncut viper]

you can look in the .tmx of the map itself, you can use Lookup Anything, you can also use Debug Mode (the latter 2 are mods)

[velvet narwhal]

(FTM also has whereami)

[uncut viper]

theres also a debug command you can type in the console to get the tile you're standing on but i forgor it

[ashen goblet]

TMX? Is this through the unpacked files?

[uncut viper]

yes

you can look at the .tmx map files for every location in the game in your unpacked content folder

[ashen goblet]

Got you! Let me check it out

[vernal crest]

That's definitely something wrong, yeah. Did you embed your tilesets just by clicking the button down the bottom of the tileset box?

[late pewter]

Yes

Just went left to right clicking the little box

[uncut viper]

(debug ppp/debug printplayerpos is the debug command i was thinking of, you can type that into your console too F1F4)

[ashen goblet]

And LookUp Anything, how does it work? I only ask since I'm lookin' at the map folders but still pretty confused aha

[ashen goblet]

Does that give the exact coordinates?

[uncut viper]

lookup Anything is a mod you install that lets you hit a h otkey in game to see information about what your mouse cursor is over

the debug command will give you the tile coordinates that you are currently standing on yes

[ashen goblet]

Thank you!

[velvet narwhal]

tmx is what the map files actually are, which are readable through tiled

!mapmaking

[ocean sail]

If you want to make mods that add or edit maps:

1. Use Tiled to edit .tmx or .tbin files.

2. Refer to the Maps wiki page for details on how maps work in Stardew Valley.

3. Content Patcher allows you to create custom locations through editing Data/Locations

4. Vanilla Maps can be edited via Content Patcher as well: EditMap

To use this command, type !mapmaking.

[velvet narwhal]

an npc requires roughly 2 programs open, and about 5+ different web pages

[vernal crest]

Hmm I don't know why that would've broken anything. You can use the Bulk Animations extension for Tiled to add the wave animations back though. https://github.com/lukas-shawford/tiled-bulk-animations?tab=readme-ov-file As for the docks - are they somehow animated now?

[brave fable]

i'm legally required to mention that you don't need to embed tilesets, and .tsx files load perfectly well

[vernal crest]

Haha I was waiting for you blueberry

[late pewter]

It still looks fine in Tiled, is the thing, so I don't know what's wrong specifically.

Let alone how to fix it

[ashen goblet]

Additionally, are there any mods that allow me to freely roam, skip to events and such to test out the mods and get coordinates?

[velvet narwhal]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Console_commands

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/3900

[ashen goblet]

Thank you!

[uncut viper]

i would also look for the Debug Mode mod

[late pewter]

Is it because I have 2 tile sheets named "untitled tile sheet 2"?? I wonder...

[ashen goblet]

How about the cheats mod as well?

[uncut viper]

i mean its all up to you in the end

[ashen goblet]

Fair enough

[vernal crest]

CJB cheats can be helpful - I use it when it's faster than looking up a console command

[velvet narwhal]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/679 debugmode

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/4 cheats

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/93 item cheats

[uncut viper]

cjb cheats is helpful sometimes but detrimental others if you forget that sometimes setting things specifically with cjb cheats wont set flags or trigger updates correctly sometimes

[ashen goblet]

I just need the easiest tools to skip to festivals, and test out the game

[vernal crest]

Ohhh like when my negative friendship points from dialogue wasn't working

[uncut viper]

then yeah, the above mentioned mods will be helpful

[velvet narwhal]

though tbh you can do a lot of things just through the console commands

world_setdate etc

[ashen goblet]

Thank you

[velvet narwhal]

when was that midnight beta? if you're doing this mod in the 1.6.9 beta, some of these mods might not work

[heady crest]

its..... stillll..... giving me the same error......

[late pewter]

OH THAT WAS IT, IT'S BECAUSE I HAD 2 TILESHEETS WITH THE SAME NAME

My waves work right again!

[vernal crest]

If you want continued help for stuff, I recommend you try to be proactive about providing error logs and jsons instead of just saying stuff that nobody can do anything with.

[late pewter]

Ok, next order of business: Why can I walk on the Ocean???

[uncut viper]

theres no difference between ocean tiles and ground tiles from the games perspective. its just a texture

you need to add invisible walls

[heady crest]

thought it'd be inconvenient to make ppl read the same thing again but sure https://smapi.io/log/0f85f773e3e24fd290c10df4b30170de

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.0.8 with SDV 1.6.8 build 24119 on Microsoft Windows 10 Home, with 19 C# mods and 5 content packs.

[late pewter]

Aw heck, i need invisible walls...

[vernal crest]

Did you ensure you put tiles on the Buildings layer around the edges of the water to stop you from walking out onto the ocean?

[late pewter]

I thought water=T would make them impassible.

[heady crest]

im getting the json holup

[brave fable]

water T makes them wet

[heady crest]

content https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/a3e9bdfdda124afd91341d7a3f816560

[vernal crest]

As is usual when people say "it's the same error", this is not actually exactly the same error. The error message is the same but the content is different and the cause is different. You can't use tokens when loading files with Content Patcher, so you need to switch to loading both "Strings/schedules/{{modID}}_Maxine" and "Characters/schedules/{{modID}}_Maxine" as blank JSONs and then use EditData to add the actual content to them.

[vernal crest]

It is the "Passable" property that affects whether you can walk on them, but you can't rely solely on that because the NPC pathfinder ignores it and tries to make NPCs walk into the water - but they can't actually walk on the water so they get stuck.

[ashen goblet]

I realized some NPC mods have two dialogues when it comes to JSON files, for instance.. the festival folder. My ID, for e.g, could be TESTtest. Some do..

"TESTtest": "Dialogue here"
"TESTtest_spouse: "Dialogue here, but for spouses in-game"

How is this done? I want my NPC to also have spouse responses, if that makes sense.

[heady crest]

you mean like this?

[uncut viper]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Dialogue
the game will check for spouse versions for some specific dialogue keys where appropriate

[vernal crest]

Close, but your FromFile needs to be a blank json, not your ScheduleDialogue.json. And by "blank" I mean people usually have a json called "blank.json" and it's empty except for a set of curly braces {}.

[ashen goblet]

So if I were to put _spouse, would that automatically detect it for me?

[velvet narwhal]

depends on context, i would check data/festivals

[uncut viper]

(actually it might not be on that page yet i thought i remembered seeing it somewhere but i dont see where i thought it was explained before oops)

but yeah it depends on if the game ever actually plans on checking for spouse dialogue in the first place

you cant just put spouse after everything and have it detect it

[velvet narwhal]

(as confusing as it is, some things are in dialogue some other things are in marriagedialogue)

[ashen goblet]

Should I just leave that for last then, and focus on the basics first?

[velvet narwhal]

yes, get your npc into the game without red errors

[uncut viper]

if you're following an example or a guide that uses the _spouse thing somewhere then you can be reasonably confident that it will be detected if you add it too, but its not required

[ashen goblet]

I'm using Gojo's NPC mod as a reference, aside from Tia's wiki tutorial, and they do use _spouse

For instance;

[velvet narwhal]

yeah that one's specifically targeting Data/Festivals if you were to try to throw the _spouse in say, Characters/Dialogue, it'll do nothing

[uncut viper]

i think all the festivals check for spouse dialogue?

[ashen goblet]

Yeah that's what I'm currently working on

The festivals section

[uncut viper]

yeah, what Avi said. just cause _spouse is checked in one context doesnt mean it'll be checked elsewhere, is all

[ashen goblet]

I'm doing the official dialogues once I'm done with schedule, so that comes a little later

[uncut viper]

if the Gojo NPC mod is updated for 1.6 its probably a decent reference, depending on whether it was using any dependencies or anything

[late pewter]

Well, if ConcernedApe uses this tile for his invisible walls, I guess I shall, as well.

Hey, these don't interfere with fishing, do they? Do i want only a single layer of these, or can i flood fill the ocean?

[ashen goblet]

It seems to have the same process of Tia's!

Yes it is updated as well

[ashen goblet]

Yeah that's what I have as well

For instance;

This is mine^

[vernal crest]

You can test it pretty easily. I don't know if it would affect fishing. I don't use invisible tiles at all because I dislike them.

[velvet narwhal]

if that's what your internal npc's name is, that's fine

[ashen goblet]

Internal being display, or the Unique ID?

[velvet narwhal]

uniqueid, so from tia's guide it'd be replacing WrenSong

[vernal crest]

Unique ID. Display is what it says on the tin: for display

[ashen goblet]

Phew

I'm good then

[devout otter]

If the layer is Buildings, then you won't be able to fish there.

[late pewter]

Is there a way to make Tiled show invisible tiles? Or temporarily remove alpha channel from spritesheets?

[brave fable]

you can view invisible tiles from a few methods on the Big Problems board

[vernal crest]

Not that I am aware of, hence my dislike of them. If you know where one is you can use the magic wand (I think?) to find the others on a layer though. Maybe across layers if you have all the layers selected?

Oh the same tile tool, not magic wand

Confusing

[dusty scarab]

why does it need to be blank? I've never made an NPC before, so I have zero idea, I'm just curious about why the game needs a blank .json for NPCs

[vernal crest]

Because Content Patcher tokens need to be parsed by Content Patcher. When CP Loads a file into the game it doesn't edit it in any way, it just hands it straight over - so any CP tokens inside it don't get parsed by CP and so the game gets them as the token in plain text.

[tender bloom]

Putting things into the blank json makes them impossible to use tokens or i8n

you CAN put things in, it just makes life harder later

whereas sticking them in with EditData lets you bring the full power of CP fancy stuff in

[velvet narwhal]

i have 0 idea where the straight load tutorial is coming from, but it definitely makes your life harder

[dusty scarab]

so the blank.json is something that the game loads for NPCs, and then you used an EditData action later to have Content Patcher actually populate it with schedules and stuff to make the NPC work?

sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, just trying to make sure I'm understanding the explanations right

[rancid temple]

You're using CP to load the blank json

[uncut viper]

okay so imagine a box—

[velvet narwhal]

some of them don't need blankloads, it's specifically files like these that don't have your npc's .json that you'd need a blankload

[teal bridge]

What is up with Game1.tinyFont. How do you even do this. Why.

[latent mauve]

You can have a single blank.json to use for all NPCs as long as you are loading to unique targets, too, IIRC

[rancid temple]

As far as I'm aware, it should be any json that you need to use tokens for, isn't specific to NPC's

[uncut viper]

yaya, like events too, in locations without any

[latent mauve]

Since you will be using EditData to fill them in by target

[velvet narwhal]

for NPCs specifically, you can get away with just this:

    "LogName": "BlankLoads",
    "Action": "Load",
    "Priority": "Low",
    "Target": "Characters/Dialogue/{{ModId}}_<NPCNAME>, Characters/Dialogue/MarriageDialogue{{ModId}}_<NPCNAME>, Characters/schedules/{{ModId}}_<NPCNAME>, Strings/Schedules/{{ModId}}_<NPCNAME>",
    "FromFile": "data/Blank.json"
},``` because these are technically the only files that have the specific npc name

[vernal crest]

As an example, say my NPC was called "Abagaianye.hiriaNPC_Hiria". I want her to have an event in a custom location I've made called "HiriaHouse". I make a file called "HiriaHouse.json" and then write a code block to Load that directly into Data/Events/HiriaHouse.

However, I've used a token in my HiriaHouse.json where instead of writing speak Abagaianye.hiriaNPC_Hiria I wrote speak {{ModID}}_Hiria. Because CP didn't get to edit the HiriaHouse.json to convert {{ModID}} into Abagaianye.hiriaNPC, the game reads my speak {{ModID}}_Hiria as speak {{ModID}}_Hiria instead of receiving speak Abagaianye.hiriaNPC_Hiria which is what it needs to be able to match up with the fact that my NPC is called "Abagaianye.hiriaNPC_Hiria".

So the game goes looking for an NPC called {{ModID}}_Hiria and obviously can't find one because there isn't any.

[dusty scarab]

ooooooh, so it also has to do with the order in which Content Patcher loads things, to make sure it's loading everything in the correct order so it finds the things you want it to find?

[tender bloom]

this is correct except you need to do the loading yourself

[vernal crest]

Only in that you have to Load first, EditData second, because the asset needs to exist already for you to be able to edit it. The point is just that CP doesn't convert tokens into the actual text the game needs when you use Load, but it does when you use EditData.

[dusty scarab]

yeah, yeah, I think I get it! thank you for the explanation. I'd seen people say previously that you need a glank .json for NPCs, but I never knew the context for why, or how it was supposed to work. thank you for the explanation :3

[vernal crest]

It's not specifically for NPCs, by the way. It's for any asset where you want to use a CP token inside the FromFile and the asset doesn't already exist in the game before your mod creates it. It just so happens that most (all?) of the situations that can occur in are NPC-related.

[uncut viper]

(events)

[vernal crest]

(I guess you can have events without any NPCs in them, so yeah that's true)

[uncut viper]

making new festivals, too

not that many people do that

[velvet narwhal]

custom locations need a blank load or else you're writing into the air for events learned that the hard way

[dusty scarab]

to use your previous example, would you still need the blank.json if you weren't using Content Patcher tokens, and typed out the longform name Abagaianye.hiriaNPC_Hiria every single time you used it?

[vernal crest]

Nope!

As long as you also weren't using i18n

[dusty scarab]

because every call to the i18n file uses a token! :D

[vernal crest]

Yup

[dusty scarab]

I'm learning, I'm learning!

[ashen goblet]

Where can I get the list of all the different locations? Including Ridgeside

[velvet narwhal]

i don't suggest making multiple home locations, it gets really buggy really fast #making-mods-general message

[vernal crest]

Data/Locations but you'd need to do a patch export to get them

[ashen goblet]

What do you mean by multiple home locations?

[ashen goblet]

You mean unlock the packs?

[velvet narwhal]

you can stick to just the default , multiple meaning several codeblocks with different IDs

[vernal crest]

I have no idea what unlocking the packs means lol

[ashen goblet]

It's the same as exporting, I suppose? It's a way for you to look into the files

[ashen goblet]

Yeah the ID is fine, though what about the location itself?

[velvet narwhal]

download them off of nexus or wherever, smapi: patch export Data/Locations

[ashen goblet]

Ahh

Got you, thanks

[vernal crest]

Unpacking and doing a patch export are slightly different. Unpacking allows you to look at the vanilla game data. Doing a patch export lets you see the data for a particular asset after it's been modified by mods.

Why do you want a list of all the locations anyway?

[ashen goblet]

It's so I can figure out where I want my custom NPC to be at, or where they spawn in!

I'm still new to everything modding related, so I'm trying my best

[vernal crest]

Okay fair enough. If you just plop them into someone else's location they won't have a bed though

[ashen goblet]

Yeah, the idea wasn't to have them spawn at somebody's but perhaps they can go in a shop.. maybe

Assuming lore-wise, the character lives in the store and such

I'm interested in the Ridgeside Village location assets to see where I can fit the NPC I'm makin'!

[velvet narwhal]

if you do plan to use an expansion you'll need the dependency in your manifest:
https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_How_to_create_a_manifest
just so it doesn't scream at you that the location doesn't exist due to mod load order

[teal bridge]

Spent way more time than I'd intended on this, but I'd say it turned out as a pretty good demo for a few hours of fiddling around.

[vernal crest]

Fancy!

[teal bridge]

(Probably would have taken half the time if I'd chosen anything other than monsters as the data source, I'm never touching those again.)

[ashen goblet]

Just for clarification; this Unique ID is what the CustomNPCName asks for when it comes to the festival folder, correct? In other words, the Internal name is the same as the UniqueID here?

[vernal crest]

No, they are different things. Your NPC's internal name is just for the NPC. The UniqueID in the manifest is the ID for your entire mod. It's recommended that you use your UniqueID as a prefix for items, NPC internal names, custom locations, etc (anything that needs to be unique to your mod) so that your mod doesn't conflict with others.

[ashen goblet]

I see, so if my UniqueID were to be Example.Example2; it's alright to use Example.Example2 for the assets you mentioned?

[vernal crest]

No. You'd have Example.Example2_NPC or Example.Example2.itemname or something similar.

For example, my UniqueID (also called a ModID) is Abagaianye.hiriaNPC. I put that as a prefix before all my maps, locations, portrait and sprite files, etc. E.g., Abagaianye.hiriaNPC_National_Park.

[ashen goblet]

If we were to take the Festivals JSON as a quick example; my UniqueID is F1F4.F1F4Gift

Is using F1F4Gift alone possible, or should I strictly follow the examples you provided?

[vernal crest]

(I use the CP token to do it, so I actually write {{ModID}}_National_Park but then CP converts that into Abagaianye.hiriaNPC_National_Park for use in the game.

[vernal crest]

Is your NPC called F1F4Gift?

[ashen goblet]

As in display name? If not, where can I check or make sure?

[vernal crest]

No, not display name. The name of their entry in Data/Characters. The "Aba.Hiria" that my arrow is pointing to.

To show an example in the context of festival setup like you have, here's my festival placement for Hiria at the egg festival

[ashen goblet]

Sorry, I'm a little confused. I may have done something wrong in that case; are you okay with me sending over images of my folder layout?

[vernal crest]

Yup go for it. You can also share the json with your data/characters entry code if you want to.

[ashen goblet]

If this example is through the Disposition, then I have it correct^

[vernal crest]

Okay yes you do. That's a very unusual internal NPC name but it is certainly likely to be unique lol. Usually people use some version of their NPC's display name (ideally with a prefix to make it unique) but you don't have to do it that way.

[ashen goblet]

As long as it works!

I apologize for the confusion and constant fussing--thank you so much for your help !

[vernal crest]

No problem. It can take a bit to wrap your head around some of these concepts at first.

[ashen goblet]

Certainly! Fascinating to learn a new skill though--I've been going at this for 7 hours now aha

[ashen goblet]

My manifest seemingly follows a ContentPatcher inspiration

Does that work any differently, or should I just add the additional dependencies command?

[velvet narwhal]

you just replace the bit that says spacechase0.JsonAssets with whatever expansion unique id you're goin to use
ex: RSV is Rafseazz.RSVCP (i had to go look that up)

[ashen goblet]

I have Pathoschild.ContentPatcher

[velvet narwhal]

yeah in the link it has the extra dependencies list

contentpackfor changes depending on the framework that you're using, but you're using content patcher, so that stays

[ashen goblet]

This is my current manifest folder^

[velvet narwhal]

contentpackfor is not equal to dependencies

[ashen goblet]

I'm sorry, I'm not following what you mean ;-;

[velvet narwhal]

  "Name": "MOD TITLE HERE",
  "Author": "AUTHOR NAME HERE",
  "Version": "1.0.0", //your mod's version
  "Description": "DESCRIPTION HERE",
  "UniqueID": "AUTHOR.TITLEHERE",
  "UpdateKeys": ["Nexus:???"], //unnecessary to change if you don't plan to release on nexus
  "ContentPackFor": {
    "UniqueID": "Pathoschild.ContentPatcher"
  },
   "Dependencies": [
    {
      "UniqueID": "Rafseazz.RSVCP", //ridgeside dependency
      "IsRequired": true,
   },
   ],
  
}```

[ashen goblet]

Thank you!

[woeful lintel]

Nobody has been talking about Furniture recently

I need a pretext to avoid actually working on FF

[velvet narwhal]

shame, i had a question about backwards compatibility and if you were gonna bother

[dusty scarab]

I could ask a question about furniture if you'd like :3

[woeful lintel]

Not really, every major update changes the "Format" number, and I just send a warning and skip the pack if the format is not the same as the one in the FF version

Having to do some sort of auto version fixes would probably kill me, since I tend to change a lot of small details every time I do a format update.

(but FF is open source, so...)

[woeful lintel]

bring it on!

[dusty scarab]

I made a mod that adds some hoardable stuff to the game. what would I need to do to also have those objects double as furniture, and have it make bigger and bigger piles of scrolls/platinum bars/gold coins/etc the more and more items you place on a single tile?

you know, so you can decorate your house with huge piles of your own grotesque amounts of wealth and tell Joja they need to get on your level

[woeful lintel]

That would need some custom C# code, is your mode CP or C#?

[dusty scarab]

CP

and I know less than nothing about C#

[woeful lintel]

the only way I can see it working is having a Furniture for each pile size and add crafting recipes to merge smaller piles into bigger piles

I don't know if it's possible to use Furniture in crafting recipes tho

[dusty scarab]

that's alright. I got to ask a question, that and reading the answer is the fun part

[ashen goblet]

Is this still valid? Also, can somebody elaborate what they mean by this? Just so I'm sure

[brittle pasture]

I believe 1.6.9 allows using furniture items as crafting input. for output though you still need Craft Anything Framework

[brittle pasture]

it's referring to https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Friendship#Universal_Gifts

[dusty scarab]

it means you don't need to specifically set them to like artisan goods or hate fishing trash or stuff like that, because those sorts of tastes are automatically set unless you manually make them something else

[brittle pasture]

if you don't specify a gift taste for a specific item the game falls back to universal tastes

[ashen goblet]

Ahhh, makes sense!

For example; the Rainbow Shell is a universal like--if I set it to be a hate, that changes it to hate. If not, it stays a universal.

[dusty scarab]

yes :D

[ashen goblet]

Got you

Makes sense

In that case, I'll just go through the list and map all the items that should be noted, and let the rest be dictated by universal laws in stardew

[woeful lintel]

incrementing a Furniture by placing more of it in the same spot is a neat idea, and I don't think it'd be too hard to do with a bit of C#. I was thinking of making a FF API to allow modders to attach custom C# code to a Furniture action (on right click), which would make piling-up stuff possible.

Actually, I want to do that more than working on the FF update.

Goddammit, it's going to be hard to focus on my next class with so many ideas in my head

[dusty scarab]

I am sorry for inspiring a new idea? XD

[woeful lintel]

I'm just gonna add this to the FF 3.1 changelogs as "work in progress"

For the record, 3.0 is still work in progress

[ashen goblet]

Can somebody elaborate on this as well? What is the point of this function?

[brittle pasture]

so you can set a character to hate all fruits instead of doing it for every fruit item in the game

[ashen goblet]

Got it

[ashen goblet]

This is also applicable for love/like/neutral, etc

Correct?

[brittle pasture]

yes, and any category, I was just using an example

[proven spindle]

It can also be used for other things, like cooking recipes. For example, you can cook an omelet using any egg (chicken egg, duck egg etc) because the recipe data uses the egg category (-5) that all those egg items are part of, rather than specific item IDs. Also useful for making sure a custom item is affected by profession bonuses

[lucid iron]

Cant u do that just by letting people use tile actions

[woeful lintel]

that's map shennanigans, I'm not touching that

[lucid iron]

Although, is it already a feature in calcifer

Ik better crafting has the bigcraftable can tiledata feature

[ashen goblet]

That brings me over to another question. If I were to.. let's say.. put AllOres in like (-) however Emerald is in hate, what happens there?

Does it cause an error, glitch or just make an exception?

[woeful lintel]

@lucid iron when I make an API, people will be able to write custom functions, so they'll be able to use tile actions all they want

[woeful lintel]

how would you do the stacking thing with tile actions?

[brittle pasture]

well it does pass the tile point, so you can get the furniture item placed on that point

[brittle pasture]

(and SpaceCore)

[proven spindle]

That should work, since you'd be specifying that particular item (the emerald) as being different from the more generalized category. I haven't tried it myself though, so I can't be 100% sure

[ashen goblet]

Can you be certain it won't cause an error, however?

[hallow prism]

no

the game has priority checks for gift taste

with a code that is a bit complex but is able to do stuff like "this generic category is liked, but this item is loved"

and other variations

[ashen goblet]

So that means this example is doable?

[finite ginkgo]

yes

[hallow prism]

it should yes

[ashen goblet]

Lovely

Thank you

[brave fable]

is it normal for smapi to open as in, only smapi

text adventure game

[finite ginkgo]

I mean, that's pretty standard for me while mods are loading, once mod loading is done the actual game window pops up

[hallow prism]

maybe smapi needs time to wake up

[golden basin]

smapi dail up sounds

[dusty scarab]

is it going to tell me I've got mail once its done dialling in?

[thorny tiger]

it works, thank you so much you absolute legend

[golden basin]

actually the program will stop responding and the screen will white out before closing because it overused the memory

[dusty scarab]

I see

[vernal crest]

I get nothing but my SMAPI window for 5 minutes when I start my playthrough setup.

I use the time to look at what mods need updating and then decide I'm not going to update them

[dusty scarab]

hmmm... so I have this as my condition to unlock the building that sells the post-Perfection stuff, but once Perfection was unlocked (via the debug command), the vault still did not show up in Robin's build menu, even though my other stuff, like my custom greenhouses that require Pantry unlock, did. Farm_Eternal is the right command to use for Perfection, right?

[uncut viper]

the debug perfection command doesnt send that mail flag, you might need to go actually view the perfection cutscene at the summit

[dusty scarab]

ok. that boulder that blocks the summit clears after a night's sleep, right?

[uncut viper]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ive never gotten perfection!

still dunno what the cutscene even is. ill get there eventually

[dusty scarab]

pfft, day 1 perfection is easy! (with the help of console commands XD)

yep, looks like a night's sleep unlocks the summit

and you do not seem to need to see the cutscene, either, as there is a message that pops up at the bottom of your screen that seems to set that mail flag the next morning after sleep. nice!
my vault is where it is supposed to be, and all is well with my world :D

(now to work on a bigger shed that can hold exactly 1000 machines in a manner where all items can be reached and filled/emptied without needing tools to do so)

[sudden bane]

hiii, first time player like literally never owned a steam acc, but here we are .. can anyone help with modding please, i'm lost and i don't wanna crash the game and stuff 😦

[neat pine]

Making mods or adding them to the game?

[thorny tiger]

above question, but also is there any particular reason you need to mod the game? otherwise I recommend you start with vanilla

[sudden bane]

yes, npc mapping & i've seen different videos.

and i never understood what was vanilla

[woeful lintel]

vanilla means no mods

[sudden bane]

ohhh, i thought it was like just light mods

but i've played some hours, not as long, but i'm able to farm properly now and i guess guides help a lot.

not a fishing gal, but trying.

so yea

[severe wren]

Do you guys know a tool I can use to make portraits and spritesheets on mobile

[dusty scarab]

nope, vanilla is the original, plain, unaltered game. just like vanilla flavor is plain, unaltered ice cream

[dusty scarab]

I like Pixel Studio, and I know it has a mobile version, but I can't remember if the mobile version is paid or not. it's free on Steam, though

[sudden bane]

yep yep, i figured going right after mods starting, but i've been on the game and i guess it just hit me, i do need the map and ive read different stuff.
i've downloded smapi, but i don't wanna start without proper guidance.

[dusty scarab]

well, this channel is for help with making mods. I think that you want the Modded Farmers channel, as they've got a fancy command for getting started with some popular mods :D

I think it's !gettingstarted or something

[thorny tiger]

but

vanilla isn't unaltered

it has vanilla in it

unaltered would be if you didn't put vanilla in it

it's not a starting point in ice-cream like you don't put the strawberry in after the vanilla you put it in instead

[dusty scarab]

yes, but the people who originally came up with the term 'vanilla' to refer to games didn't know that, and I was trying to give a bit of background as to where the term vanilla came from

[thorny tiger]

right but

in terms of ice cream

that would be confusing

if you knew how ice cream worked

you might then think that vanilla is slightly altered like they originally thought

when it's just not that in games

ice cream or flavours in general might be the root of it but they are different so it doesn't really clear it up

[dusty scarab]

look, if people said they wanted to play the Sweet Cream version, then it would be correct, but people seem to think that vanilla is the 'original OG flavor of ice cream', hence the origin of the term

you can blame WoW players for that, which should really tell you a lot of how that term originated. we.... we were not the sharpest bulbs in the box or the brightest tools in the shed

[thorny tiger]

no I reckon you probably were the sharpest bulbs in the box

unfortunately

[dusty scarab]

being broken doesn't count XD

[thorny tiger]

anyway moving on from ice cream etymology

trying to develop my content patcher skills

I've made a fish (forgot to make it edible but will do that at first opportunity)

what should be my next challenge

a crop?

[dusty scarab]

crops aren't bad! a crop mod was my first mod ever

[thorny tiger]

crop it is

a lot of pixel art upcoming

"art"

[woeful lintel]

they aren't hard to do with 1.6 data, maybe even easier than fishes

[thorny tiger]

(im not very good)

[thorny tiger]

perfect

I'll probably make like a green potato

then make a crafting recipe for green chips with oil and green potato

and pair that with my green fish and make green fish and chips as a cooking recipe

that covers quite a few bases

(i made a green fish and now i need to do something with cooking and i don't wanna make another fish)

[brave fable]

i think once you've made a fish, an object, and two different recipes, a good next step would be real-time raytracing

[thorny tiger]

when you say real-time raytracing

you mean what now

[brave fable]

a workable simulation of global illumination

just to cover your bases

[thorny tiger]

hmmmmmmm

@sarcasmdetector

isn't gonna help me with this one

alright well that sounds complicated

so im going to not do that

and instead I'll make a node in the mines or something

can't be that hard surely

this is exciting

[dusty scarab]

you could always jump straight into the pits and make a dungeon with radiant maps like Skull Cavern and monsters that get tougher the deeper down you go

[hallow prism]

"i started going on hike the week end, what is a nice next goal? 5 hours hike with a picnic in the middle?"
"what about climbing the everest next instead?"

[thorny tiger]

that sounds like a lot of art and a lot of mechanics I haven't looked at the documentation for

[hallow prism]

this is very serious scope creep 😄

yes, a node in the mine sounds reasonable and doable if you use Item Extension

[thorny tiger]

alright guys I made a fish therefore it's time to make stardew valley expanded expanded

[hallow prism]

it can drop custom stuff, or vanilla stuff if you want to keep it simple

[thorny tiger]

I'll probably make a custom ore then make a bar for it so I can make a machine interaction

[hallow prism]

then do it step by step, but it's doable yes

(and you can do the steps in different order, first the node then the item ore then the item bar then the machine, or first the item then the machine then the node)

[thorny tiger]

true

realistically I'll make the node to make sure it exists then make the item to make sure it drops fine then make the bar and try to make the furnace interaction

[dusty scarab]

hey, that's why I foreworded it with 'if you want to jump into the pits' XD

[blissful panther]

*to cover your basses

[fleet crystal]

Does anyone know how to setup pathing for custom location?

[vernal crest]

For the NPC pathfinder all you need to do is ensure you haven't excluded the lcoation from pathfinding. Or do you mean adding warps?

[fleet crystal]

My npc just walks into the void on custom maps

[vernal crest]

Have you got your warps set up correctly?

[fleet crystal]

Yes I’m so confused

[dim dock]

i finally made my first mod! and... idk what the skirt is doing

ive been trying so hard to get it to work but i cant understand where im going wrong LOL

[vernal crest]

Have you checked that your map has tiles on the Buildings layer all around the edges so NPCs and players can't walk into the void normally?

[fleet crystal]

I’m going to fix that

How do you make a npc use a door

[vernal crest]

They shouldn't have any issues using doors if the place they need to go is behind it.

[fleet crystal]

He walks straight over the building layer

[vernal crest]

Are you sure it's definitely the Buildings layer, not Buildings+1, Buildings-1, or any other Buildings layers?

[fleet crystal]

No I only have one building layer

I re check and it’s all in building I’m so confused why he’s walking into the void

This is the schedule or the beginning where I put the custom location

[brave fable]

it's incredibly hard to read text in photos

[fleet crystal]

I’ll try screen shot

[thorny tiger]

copy paste

[fleet crystal]

{
"fall": "610 Custom_House 7 6 2/730 Town 63 14 2 Sitting/930 Town 41 72 2 Drinking/1030 Custom_Village 11 14 0/1130 Custom_House 10 14 2 Sitting "Strings\schedules\micheal:spring.001"/1230 Custom_House 7 6 2",
"spring": "610 Custom_House 7 6 2/700 Town 26 29 2 Reading/930 Town 26 29 2/1030 Custom_Village 11 14 0/1130 Custom_House 7 6 2",
"summer": "610 Custom_House 7 6 2/700 Town 63 14 2 Sitting/930 Town 41 72 2 Drinking/1030 Custom_Village 11 14 0/1130 Custom_House 7 6 2",
"winter": "610 Custom_House 7 6 2/730 Town 63 14 2 Sitting/930 Town 41 72 2 Drinking/1030 Custom_Village 11 14 0/1130 Custom_House 10 14 2 Sitting "Strings\schedules\micheal:spring.001"/1230 Custom_House 7 6 2"
}

i just dont know why hes walking past the building layer

[next quarry]

content patcher question:
does anyone know a nice way to apply a map change that is only present for when an event is happening? or would it make more sense to work with temporary actors?

[velvet narwhal]

Tbh I'd just make a temp map, load it, and call it with data/events/temp

• changeToTemporary command

[next quarry]

yeah I'm a bit worried that if I do it that way, it wont be really compatible with recolor/retexture mods

[velvet narwhal]

it's all the same as long as you've used the recolors/retextures, unless by map edit you mean it's all furniture

If it's all furniture, uh, you'd have to finagle one of the fancier commands with depth in their requirements

[next quarry]

I see
I just want to add a custon background layer ontop of the current one as a background+1
I will try to mess around with When conditions a bit more to apply a overlay change
and if that still does not work I'll cry and try making it work in a different way /lh

[velvet narwhal]

if you have an 'update' onlocationchanged for that when condition, you can set it to a mailflag and map changes inside of an event actually counts

[next quarry]

what do you mean by mailflag?

[velvet narwhal]

      "LogName": "Lance's Scar",
      "Action": "EditImage",
      "PatchMode": "Overlay",
      "Update": "OnLocationChange",
      "When": {
        "HasFlag": "{{ModId}}_Scarred",
        "Portrait": "Vanilla Compliant"
      },
      "Target": "Portraits/Lance_Spring",
      "FromFile": "assets/{{TargetPathOnly}}/Lance/Vanilla Compliant/LanceScar.png"
    },```
an ex from one of my crazier things
so inside of the heart event i actually do: `addmailreceived {{ModId}}_Scarred`, force a `changeLocation` inside of the event, and then if i need to get rid of it in the event i just do `addmailreceived {{ModId}}_Scarred false` and `changeLocation` again

[rancid temple]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Mail_data#Mail_flags
Mail flags are generally used as an easier means to track if something has happened, can be accompanied with actual mail or just a flag raised in the players data

[next quarry]

Okay, I think this helps me for even more stuff then the specific issue I just had
that is really cool thanks guys! :D

[velvet narwhal]

4am me can't remember how to describe laymen terms

[next quarry]

lmao, you're fine! I got it somehow :D

[bronze jungle]

what graphics api stardew valley uses on linux?

nvm found it (OpenGL)

[blissful panther]

That's what it uses on everything!

Well, consoles aside.

[bronze jungle]

are you sure? at least wikipedia says monogame uses directX on microsoft platforms

[blissful panther]

MonoGame has a DirectX version, but Stardew just uses the cross-platform OpenGL version on everything.

[bronze jungle]

ah I see

[calm nebula]

So stardew directx version when DH?

I believe in you

[blissful panther]

Hey, I've gently poked at that as a suggestion for a bit! It is better on Windows!

[calm nebula]

God, I miss how easy discriminated unions are in Rust

I'm not going to elaborate

Also implementing your trait on someone else's type

[fleet crystal]

Does any one know why a custom npc keeps walking into void and through buildings layer

[spice inlet]

have you considered turning the custom npc off and on again?

[fleet crystal]

Trust me I tried lol

[brittle ledge]

That's usually either a schedule or a map problem. Are they on a custom map?

[fleet crystal]

Yeah they are on a custom map

[brittle ledge]

Double check your warps in and out. If you want to verify it's a map problem, have them wander the Bus stop or another vanilla location and see if they move properly.

It could also be a schedule problem where your destination isn't valid or they don't have a valid way to get there (e.g., a bad warp or a blocked path)

[fleet crystal]

My warps work perfectly and I just had him on a vanilla path and it worked 😭 I’m using the bus stop as a path way connecting the maps

[rancid temple]

What kind of warps are you using on the custom map?

[fleet crystal]

Warps through tiled and I have a warp in my content

[rancid temple]

A TouchAction Warp?

[fleet crystal]

Yes

[rancid temple]

Those don't work for NPC's

[latent mauve]

Try adding a Warp through the Map Properties

[fleet crystal]

It’s only when you click on the house from the outside I’m trying to make the the Npc leave the house but whenever he leaves he walks sideways into the void

I already have a warp through map properties

[rancid temple]

There are several different kinds of warps available, a TouchAction Warp is the kind of that happens when you step onto a tile

An Action Warp is the kind that happens when you right click on something on the Buildings layer

There's the Map Property Warp that functions like a TouchAction Warp but works for both players and NPC's

[latent mauve]

Do you not have something on your Building layer on the map blocking passage?

[rancid temple]

There's also Action LockedDoorWarp that's usually used for NPC houses

[latent mauve]

For whatever map he is walking through void on

[calm nebula]

Remind me in 3 days to look at the dotnet string rehash code

[patent lance]

I'll have you know atravita I am SO MUCH MORE than just a reminder bot. but fine. (#6300706) (3d | <t:1729174188>)

[fleet crystal]

Ughhh I’ve tried everything I’ve checked like ten times if anything was blocking it

It might be bugged 😦

[next quarry]

can you send a screenshot of your custom map with just the building layer/layers turned on (visible)?

if not that's also totally fine, I get that you checked multiple times by now

[rancid temple]

The base Buildings layer is the only one that has collision, but if you have Passable tile data on a Back layer tile that will also have collision

[zenith robin]

You said I can always make UI3 as long as it's all new code, but if I make the mod without looking at the code from UI2 and there are some things that just happen to be the same use to how they need to be implemented, I am fine right? I don't really know much about the legal part of making what would essentially be a successor mod.

[latent mauve]

We probably should have a note somewhere on the mapmaking page that layers with numbers do not retain the normal properties of their base layers and only impact the drawing z-index

[next quarry]

I agree

[rancid temple]

Like this?

[latent mauve]

I think the last line probably isn't quite clear enough

The explanation about the drawing layers is fine, but people still expect Buildings2 to have collision, for instance, because it isn't mentioned

[zenith robin]

I think it should be worded something akin to "Tile properties must be set on the default layer to function. Tiles on layers other than the default layer do no have collision."

yeah, I guess that would require more wording

[latent mauve]

And Tile properties implies TileData objects more than anything else to me, not necessarily collision?

[rancid temple]

Well, it's true that they only work on the base layer

[velvet narwhal]

tile properties require numberless layer-names to function

[zenith robin]

The base layer must be used for tile properties and collision.

[rancid temple]

Mk, added

[fleet crystal]

im just so confused idk if theres something wrong with my map or schedule

[latent mauve]

Can you use the eye symbol to turn off everything but the Buildings layer?

[next quarry]

^this :3

[latent mauve]

It'll look a little funky but it's easier to check for NPC/player barriers that way

[sonic mortar]

new update for Goat Mod is out << 🐐 https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/27321

[lucid iron]

Not expert either but code licenses typically only apply to the source code plus right to distribute. Can't copyright mechanics like "show npcs on world map", that is territory of patent

[sonic mortar]

we also have last 24 h of our poll as to which language versions are needed for our mod to be enjoyed freely by all players https://ko-fi.com/polls/Which-language-translations-are-needed-for-our-mod-A0A513DV9D if you want a translation in your preferred language, vote or pm us ^^

[latent mauve]

okay, so unless the warp is somehow taking them behind the house or within the fenced area, they should have collision blocking them from walking off map.

Could put Building tiles on any edges where you don't have warps to be safe, but which way is he walking into void again?

[fleet crystal]

hes walking towards the right

[latent mauve]

Also, I am wondering, since looping NPC paths is an issue do you have a warp on the right behind the fence that goes to the same map as where you are going from the bottom?

I am curious as to if the pathing is detecting that there are two different warps to the destination, so the NPC is trying to go there to use that warp instead.

[fleet crystal]

there is no warp for the fenced in area

[latent mauve]

ok

And I'm assuming he's outside the front door of the house initially, yeah?

[rancid temple]

Not sure if looping paths being fine is a vanilla thing or because of SpaceCore

[fleet crystal]

i just dont understand whats wrong with it

[rancid temple]

I know they cause longer loading times while it calculates the shorter path for every NPC

Have you shared the schedule already?

[fleet crystal]

"spring": "610 Custom_House 5 6 2/630 Custom_House 7 22 2/650 Custom_Village 4 23 2/710 BusStop 36 5 2/730 BusStop 20 18 2/800 Town 26 30 2 Reading/930 Town 26 30 2/1000 Town 41 72 2 Drinking/1200 Town 16 96 2/1400 BusStop 21 19 0/1420 BusStop 35 5 0/1430 BusStop 35 0 0/1450 Custom_Village 4 9 0/1500 Custom_House 7 20 0/1520 Custom_House 9 13 2 Sitting "Strings\schedules\micheal:spring.002"/1650 Custom_House 7 14 0/1700 Custom_House 7 9 0/1710 Custom_House 7 6 2"
}

this is the only one i added the custom location too

[latent mauve]

Okay, and Custom_House is the interior while Custom_Village is the outdoors from your screenshot?

[fleet crystal]

yes

[rancid temple]

Have you tried simplifying the schedule or stripping out different parts?

[fleet crystal]

ive been up all night doing it it seems to only get better when i add more like shorten the distant between paths he walks off the map at 650 Custom_Village 4 23 2 to the right im so confused

i want him to move down

[rancid temple]

Well, if you want to zip your project and send it I could do some testing. Not really sure what else to suggest at this point

[calm nebula]

Vanilla can handle loops just not well

Ngl it's probably a warps issue

[fleet crystal]

oki its two sepreate files though

[calm nebula]

Tbh I would be very surprised if you do things in a way that is the exact same as uii2

Just. Saying.

[fleet crystal]

ive checked the warps i can screen shot them all

[rancid temple]

Two separate mods? I just meant zip up the whole mod

[latent mauve]

And just to verify, there's nothing in the SMAPI log when this is happening?

[fleet crystal]

yeah two sepreate mods one for the house one for the npc i didnt know how to combine them no it show no error message

[latent mauve]

Second question: Does the NPC mod have the house as a dependency in its manifest (even as a false one)

To rule out mod load ordering shenanigans.

[rancid temple]

You can zip them to the same directory. Combining them is as simple as making them all part of the same content or having that content include the appropriate files. Not really an issue at the moment though

[latent mauve]

roku can probably also check that when you give them the files though, so

[rancid temple]

Yeah, though load order should generally have some errors

I'm thinking some combo of either warps or schedule, since those would just fail silently

[rancid temple]

(hoping not schedule lol)

[fleet crystal]

thanks for helping me it means alot

[drowsy pewter]

Does anyone know a command for completing the players entire shipped items catalogue? I cant find it just scrolling through the debug commands page, theres a lot

do i just use the perfection command?

[rancid temple]

Can't be sure there's no Console Command for it, but that's the only base debug command I can see that touches shipped stuff

[drowsy pewter]

I'll have to be careful not to let this save affect my steam achievements then haha

[rancid temple]

Lol

I wonder if offline mode would affect that

[latent mauve]

I've already given up after the time I accidentally added the Joja achievement to my Steam achievements while testing a mod xD

[rancid temple]

Depends on how the game implements achievement tracking

[latent mauve]

(curse you, my need to see how the Joja victory scene played out with my edits!)

[drowsy pewter]

In 1.6 they changed it so you get the steam achievement if you even open a save which has already earned the achievement

[thorny tiger]

correct me if I'm wrong but I think you can remove steam achievements with the console?

[drowsy pewter]

Really?

[rancid temple]

Just gotta put this project on hold until you get all the steam achievements /j

[thorny tiger]

I removed achievements from an entire game once because I didn't realise it was spamming my steam achievements

[drowsy pewter]

See you guys in uhhhhhhhhh 40 years

[lucid iron]

Just don't launch by steam

[drowsy pewter]

sorry, no mod updates till then

[lucid iron]

I been afraid to cus beta auto updates when I do that

[thorny tiger]

fectors challenge when

[rancid temple]

Unfortunate, but understandable

[drowsy pewter]

it counts it if steam is even open when you launch the game, and it counts it if you do it with steam closed but later open the save with steam open

anyways, not a big deal, just gotta juggle a backup save

I set debug perfection and it didnt even fill in the shipping collection 😅

[thorny tiger]

https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-reset-achievements-for-steam-games/

you can reset individual achievements or all achievements

with the client console

[drowsy pewter]

Cool!

[thorny tiger]

you can remove it with the above if you were so inclined

[rancid temple]

Does CP convert NPC disposition to Data/Characters?

[drowsy pewter]

yeah

if the format is pre 2.0, of course

[latent mauve]

Migrations won't happen in some of the newer formats, yeah?

[rancid temple]

Yeah, had to change that back lol, was wondering why it was set that way

[drowsy pewter]

ahhh wait i can just check what items are needed for the shipping collection using lookup anything. Duh!

[latent mauve]

Probably just confusion because of how we were talking about Data/Locations a few days ago and how you needed newer formats for some features, but we didn't mention that the CP migration feature and Custom Locations was for older formats.

Pretty sure that got overlooked

[rancid temple]

Yeah I mean, there's a lot in here I would do differently, just trying to see what's the minimal required to get it to work, if that's possible lol

[fleet crystal]

I was checking your level lmao

[rancid temple]

:P you can also do the bot commands in #governors-mansion if you want to be more sneaky about it /lh

[fleet crystal]

Thank you :p

[rancid temple]

Okay, primary suspect right now is that your schedule points are ending on warps, which causes them to warp but messes with their pathfinding from there

Generally speaking, you shouldn't micromanage your NPC's schedule

[fleet crystal]

Oh okay all this stuff is confusing to me thanks I’m kinda a dingius 😭

[rancid temple]

You wanna pick a time for them to start going to a place and then make sure they have enough time to get there, but your schedule points should just be primarily major stops

[fleet crystal]

Alrighty sounds good

I’ll try that next time I just thought more warps equal better but that was not the case lol

[latent mauve]

Nah, usually less warps is better. 🙂

The game will try to connect them, so it's better not to confuse it too much.

[rancid temple]

If you have like a very specific vision for how your NPC should reach a place, by all means add more schedule points, just follow them around and make sure the timings are gonna work

And also make sure to not end any schedule points on a warp

[fleet crystal]

Alrighty will do

[rancid temple]

Schedules are kind of annoying to test since you can't just reload the patch while in a save, but you can go back to title, reload your patch and then reload your save

So you can save a little bit of time that way over fully quitting

[latent mauve]

Yeah, definitely don't reload a schedule patch while in game, this is how I ended up with my NPC accidentally murdering an entire forest by pathing into the trees. xD

[rancid temple]

Lumberjack mode activated

Obligatory: the NPC creator isn't updated and you should be using the new Data/Characters system rather than relying on CP to migrate your dispositions. It's technically one of those "it's fine until it isn't anymore" situations though

[velvet narwhal]

I'm surprised it still works tbh

[thorny tiger]

gonna ask this now as I WILL forget that it's a thing by the time I need it - how can I use multiple JSON files for one content patcher mod? (e.g. MNF has more json files in its Data folder)

[rancid temple]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-include.md

[fleet crystal]

Yeah you’re right I just thought it would be easier and when I unpacked my game I couldn’t find my npc dispositions

[latent mauve]

(the sound of an NPC colliding with a tree enough times in a row to chop it down is HORRIFYING by the way, do not recommend)

[thorny tiger]

THATS what that does ok tyvm

[rancid temple]

!npc It's under Data/Characters now

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Aviroen has put together a template that will allow you to easily create a romanceable NPC.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

To use this command, type !npc.

[rancid temple]

Which funnily enough, Tia's guide also has some simple examples of using Include

[tough crater]

Hi! I'm very confused on something. So I'm following the process of NPC building on this page: https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Npc_template. When I got to the "ScheduleDialogue.json" section, I got confused by the tokens being used. Specficially, I'm stuck on this:
"{{Edelweiss}}:Spring_Sleepy.1": "{{i18n:EdelweissSeung:Spring_Sleepy.1_0}}",

I'm looking at an npc mod's file and their format of things was:
"spring_17.100": "<text>",
"JojaClosedA":"<text>",
"JojaClosedB":"<text>",
"JojaClosedC":"<text>"

I thought the format for these was supposed to be:
"<season>.000": "<text>",
"<Map>.000: "<text>",

Also where did JojaClosedA/B/C come from? Is that from a dependency mod?

[hallow prism]

so

the format of dialogue accept keys of all sort as long as it matches with the corresponding schedule stuff

[velvet narwhal]

I think I ripped schedule dialogue straight from strings/schedule because the format hated everything I did. I'm on mobile so I can't check the unpack but it needs specific formatting

[hallow prism]

the author here just wanted them to be in format modid:mykey

the .number isn't mandatory, it's just what CA liked to have because it made sense for those

[tough crater]

In terms of CSS, it's basically just adding your own class name and rolling with it ?

[hallow prism]

i can't really draw comparison with CSS

[tough crater]

Don't worry, I ate an edible so most of what I'm saying and thinking is absolute nonsense lol

[lucid iron]

i think the .number might have been code line numbers

[tough crater]

WAIT WHAT

[lucid iron]

esp for stringsfromcs

[tiny zealot]

chu, throwing gasoline on the fire:

[tough crater]

Now that you mention it, it probably was from their CS code

[hallow prism]

(aren't edible supposed to be, like, edible, and not like, hallucinating mushrooms?)

[lucid iron]

but like lumina said it's not important

[rancid temple]

I always assumed it was indicative of CA's intention to have multiple choices

[lucid iron]

u can use roman numerals if you want

[tough crater]

I'm not hallucinating 🤣 my brain is just scrambled lol

[hallow prism]

anyway, if you want stuff in format mymod_myscheduleentry it should work if the corresponding key is used in the right place too

[tough crater]

So does that mean in this:
"{{Edelweiss}}:Spring_Sleepy.1": "{{i18n:EdelweissSeung:Spring_Sleepy.1_0}}"

I don't need the semicolon for this?
"{{Edelweiss}}Spring_Sleepy.1"

or write it like {{Edelweiss}}_Spring_Sleepy.1"

[lucid iron]

yea whatever floats your boat

just make sure u are use correct key throughout

[velvet narwhal]

Yeah don't use the same dynamic token I use for the layout

[hallow prism]

and you don't need the token

(and if you want one, make your own 😄 )

[velvet narwhal]

It's a dynamic token because the real internal name is {{ModId}}_Edelweiss

Leaving it as just {{Edelweiss}} without doing anything to it will just get smapi to scream at you, which is purposefully why I did it

[hallow prism]

"i like to see the world burn (but with a good logging)"

[tough crater]

You only live to torture yourself 🤣

Highkey I love that LogName exists because when I was doing debugging on my last attempt, that was the ONLY way for me to target where the coding issues were

[velvet narwhal]

No it's purposeful for a plug and play, if someone gets a red smapi error I know exactly where, why and how

[thorny tiger]

yo

having some issues with textures

how can i use a second texture

do i need to make a second load action or what

because im seeing assets which are like 78265982689 images in one png but idk how it knows which one to point to

[rancid temple]

Depends on where you're doing it, but if there's a SpriteIndex field you can use that to choose which sprite to use

[thorny tiger]

what is that

[rancid temple]

The size of each index depends on where you're using it, but Objects are 16x16 so your first index would be the top left at 0, the next one would be 16 pixels over at 1, when you hit the end of a row it drops down and goes along the next row

Where are you trying to use this specifically?

[thorny tiger]

idk what you mean by where

im doing everything in content.json and referencing everything in assets

[rancid temple]

Like what are you making, a new object?

[thorny tiger]

yes

[rancid temple]

And your loaded texture has multiple sprites on it?

[thorny tiger]

no

is that what i should be doing

[rancid temple]

Then you can start there, increase the size of your sheet and add new sprites to it

If you increase downwards, just know that you should avoid increasing to the right after that

So I would start by increasing to the right for a bit and then start adding additional rows downwards if necessary

[thorny tiger]

ok so make it how many long

[rancid temple]

Each sprite is 16x16 so if you can show a grid that'll help you keep your items separated

[velvet narwhal]

game automatically detects the "end" of the png, so you can make it one really long strip if you so pleased

[rancid temple]

It's up to you really, whatever you're comfortable working with

[thorny tiger]

ok fair enough#

any recommended site for turning sprites into a spritesheet or should i continue to use piskel

its really slow at importing if i select spritesheet for some reason

[rancid temple]

It's important to know what you're working on, such as if you're adding new objects or shirts or pants or whatever, because each thing has different rules about how you choose where in a texture you're using or what size that texture has to be

[velvet narwhal]

iirc shirts is like..... 8x16 or something right?

[rancid temple]

I dunno, I use dedicated programs rather than websites

Shirts has to be the full width of the original shirt png

But you don't have to use the whole area, just have to match the bounds

Because it has very hardcoded specific logic about how it chooses where the different sides are and where the dye colors are

Some things like fruit trees are a specific width and use only a row index to decide what your tree texture is

[velvet narwhal]

(i need to backread stardewui to see if chu figured out the ISalable because maybe i might take a crack at the #demonopolize-marnie

[velvet narwhal]

tbh base wild tree texture is the only reason why i don't have more mushrooms in my mod

[thorny tiger]

is SpriteIndex 1 or 0 index

[velvet narwhal]

starts at 0

[rancid temple]

Trying to think if there are any that start at 1

[thorny tiger]

so the first item will be Index 0?

[rancid temple]

Yeah

[thorny tiger]

i ask because the cornucopia more crops doesnt seem to reference any index 0

[rancid temple]

Oh, because 0 is default

[brittle pasture]

it seems to be because cornucopia's object index 0 is some unused thing

[rancid temple]

I was like looking and thinking "why is that" and I do the same shit lmao

[thorny tiger]

the spritesheet doesnt seem to be empty at the top left