programmers-off-topic

[safe dragon]

happy birthday, we are the same age

[supple ether]

I'm 28 right now but 29 in a few days

[safe dragon]

I'm 28 and became that in february

[sand frost]

my age: younger than the mountains, older than the trees

[devout vault]

That’s happened multiple times lately, I didn’t even log in to redeem my DP last month. (I did this month though)

[cinder karma]

My age: ancient. Older than the stars

[sand frost]

i haven't logged back in in literal months

[cinder karma]

Older than Elizabeth

[sand frost]

hahaha

that part is legit true though

i would say the stars are older than the mountains and the trees

i feel like i got trained too hard as a child never to say anything personal on the internet

[devout vault]

Theoretically couldn’t there be stars that are that young? Not likely, but the universe is big…

[sand frost]

well, true, but I think they still take at least a few million years?

and I'm definitely older than some trees

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[safe dragon]

for all we know we are all older than a star somewhere

[sand frost]

baby trees

[safe dragon]

that star's light would not have made its way to earth yet probably

[devout vault]

Crumble, wren, clearly we need to start a secret thread here only for people born 1996-1998ish

[sand frost]

congrats on becoming perfect!

[safe dragon]

sidenote: I like the keep up on new C# things but it's the only language I do that for to this level of detail

I'd cry myself to sleep if I tried to keep up to date on whatever the hell happens in javascript at all times

[supple ether]

I keep an eye on css stuff too, though not quite as much as c#

[devout vault]

I assume this a joke of some kind relating to the number 28, however I’ll take this another direction.

Did you hit your head, how on earth could you possibly think I’m remotely near the slim possibility or being partially perfect even in theory.

[sand frost]

28 is a perfect number!

sadly the next perfect number is 243 i think?

so if it makes you feel better, perfection is temporary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_number

[devout vault]

This is me and Minecraft updates for some reason

[sand frost]

oops, 496

[safe dragon]

ah well same despite me not having played the game much in years

[sand frost]

so, you know, maybe if there's some massive technological innovation

[supple ether]

I absorb minecraft updates through osmosis, but haven't been actively interested in them in years

[devout vault]

Is that really perfection if it’s temporary, or just an imposter that looks perfect for a while

[sand frost]

hmmm

[safe dragon]

I guess I also keep up to date on what happens in Elixir but it's not that much so it doesn't take much effort to keep up with

[sand frost]

I had a cube-themed birthday when I turned a cube number

[devout vault]

I haven’t played more than an hour or two of Minecraft in years

[sand frost]

made a cube cake and served cube-shaped foods

[devout vault]

And yet I religiously watch new uploads that EthosLab puts out

[safe dragon]

as you should

[supple ether]

etho is so calming to watch

[safe dragon]

he's probably the person I've been subscribed to the longest

[devout vault]

I miss the days he posted every day. I know he got burnt out and is also especially busy with irl stuff these days (hence once a month or less uploads lately) though

[devout vault]

Same

Speaking of MC, watched the movie on Sunday with a friend. It’s pretty dumb but also very fun, which is all I care about

I have some gameplay related criticisms though 😛 How dare it not be 100% accurate to what a player can do in game

[safe dragon]

sue them

[cinder karma]

I sadly keep up with python updates

[devout vault]

It seems like it’d be a pretty chill world to live in, as long as I got a WiFi signal through the portal 😛

[cinder karma]

I say "sadly" because I'm stuck on an old version of python

[sand frost]

i keep up with no updates, but i probably should keep up with python updates

[cinder karma]

It's more watching and hoping

[sand frost]

one of my students had the classic python nightmare of having 2 pythons installed at once and trying to manage packages

[devout vault]

“you guide others to a treasure you cannot possess” or something

[sand frost]

he finally escaped it but i was not able to be super helpful unfortunately

[safe dragon]

me talking about new C#/.NET features fully knowing y'all are stuck on .NET 6

[cinder karma]

Oh I would have murdered thr whole machine and started over

[cursive sigil]

happy birthday!

[cinder karma]

I would have declared that machine a superfund site

[cinder karma]

Those fools are stuck on net 6. I'm retired from modding and now have no reason to use c#

[devout vault]

My game projects are on new .net! Basically the highest of whatever version the Godot I’m on supports 😛 Again, not that I’ve touched them in months

[devout vault]

Did you say a super fun site? I didn’t think python version hell was fun, but to each their own I suppose

[safe dragon]

it could be worse and y'all could be stuck on .NET framework

[devout vault]

/me shivers

[crystal wren]

We were for a good while!

[safe dragon]

oh I'm sure

[pliant snow]

Thats an xkcd reference, dont think i didn't notice

[devout vault]

Also, flashbacks to when pathos converted DGA source generators to text templates for backwards compatibility despite how much effort I put into figuring them out

[sand frost]

I don't think my student wanted to do this on his laptop...

[past dawn]

Slides my VB.NET projects under the rug

yeah... That would suck

[safe dragon]

it's ok I'm still maintaining a VB.NET project myself

which is running on .NET 6

[past dawn]

I worked in VB6 for a while, not NET6, actual VB6 lol

[safe dragon]

honestly I have no idea why it's vb.net... This project was started like 2 years ago

[past dawn]

[safe dragon]

the person who made that decision has left

[devout vault]

Clearly, they foresaw you coming and wanted to make sure you suffered

[safe dragon]

definitely

[past dawn]

VB.NET is basically modernized VB6 that can actually use a console and other QoL things

[safe dragon]

considering their way of programming was described to me as "he asked chatgpt" I think I can fairly assume the use of vb.net was barely a decision and more the thing they happened to find an example of first

[past dawn]

VB6 had no way to run as a console program lol

[safe dragon]

good, silly people and their consoles

[crystal wren]

A 2 year old vibe coding project? Truly ahead of the times.

[safe dragon]

oh I know

luckily he works for the government now

[pliant snow]

.NET is the devils work

[safe dragon]

no no no

.NET Framework is the devils work

[pliant snow]

Which government... there are some that would be gladly accepted

[cinder karma]

I'm surprised chatgpt is two years old

[devout vault]

Dang it I was gonna make a vibe coding joke but then I scroll down and DH did it already 😔

[safe dragon]

my own

[past dawn]

Anyone heard some of the Klingon programming/programmer jokes?

[safe dragon]

honestly it's not an exaggeration when I say that the first time I saw that person's code projects and realized I now had to develop for them I felt genuine dread and wondered why I accepted the job

[safe dragon]

nope...

[crystal wren]

It's getting worse, too: https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/07/shopify-ceo-tells-teams-to-consider-using-ai-before-growing-headcount/

[safe dragon]

at this point none of the code he or the other predecessor wrote still exists honestly

I shall pray my company will continue to be against code assistants for as long as possible

[sand frost]

i watched one of my students use chatgpt to arithmetic and i despaired on the inside

[safe dragon]

please use wolfram alpha for that

[cinder karma]

When wolframalpha.com is right there smh

And is more likely to be right

[devout vault]

In the distant year of 2023 the company I worked at was embracing AI. Summaries for our meetings, automated code reviews that were supposed to pay attention to (spoiler alert: I didn’t), told to consult it with our ideas as we made things, etc.

I wonder if they ever got past that revenue slump that made them give everyone a 20% pay cut (when we already being paid below US market rate).

Last time I saw one of their linked in posts they were using a very clearly AI generated image for every single one

[sand frost]

a freakin calculator from 1984 would be fine

[cinder karma]

I have given wolfram some real dumb shit

[sand frost]

i don't mandate my students be good or fast at mental arithmetic but i feel like being reliable with a calculator is important

[cinder karma]

I enjoy being able to just say (7.54 * hbar ) and it figuring it the fuck out

[sand frost]

also, they were doing all their other work in google sheets at the same time

[safe dragon]

had a database engineer at work ask chatgpt if a rollback clears temp tables

[sand frost]

they could have just made a new cell

and made google sheets do it

(i was making them graph stuff)

[cinder karma]

I used to be really good at calculator but lately I just use libreoffice calc or the python terminal or wolframalpha.com

[sand frost]

oh yeah, i do this all the time to check my units

[past dawn]

All Klingons who develop code for the glory of the empire follow this "Code of Honour" for software "code warriors".

Specifications are for the weak and timid.

State-of-the-art hardware is a prerequisite to do battle with code.

One cannot truly appreciate "Dilbert" without reading it in the original Klingon.

Indentation is for enemy skulls, not code.

Klingons do not "release" software. Klingon software escapes, leaving a bloody trail of design engineers and quality assurance people in its path.

Klingon function calls have no parameters. They have arguments! And they always win them.

Klingons do not debug. Our software does not coddle the weak.

Quality Assurance issues are best solved with a Batleth.

A true Klingon warrior does not comment his code.

Our users shall know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!

[sand frost]

i use the spotlight search calculator on a mac

[safe dragon]

don't worry. Excel 365 has copilot integration for cases like this

[sand frost]

literally command-space and then start typing the equation

[devout vault]

I don’t know the answer to that but

• I’m not database engineer
• I’d trust google results from stackoverflow more than chatgpt potential hallucinations

[devout vault]

What’s an hbar?

[safe dragon]

chatgpt did give a reasonable answer... "it's a rollback, of course it does"

paraphrasing

[cinder karma]

Planck's constant!

[sand frost]

hbar is some quantum nonsense

[cinder karma]

Ish

[safe dragon]

planck's constant telling me the real world is actually discretized and not continuous

(I have no idea how it works)

[sand frost]

in my book, we shove the quantum nonsense under the bed and pretend it's not there

[devout vault]

Wait what?

When I was younger I got so immersed in gamedev stuff that I had a hard time comprehending how the world could operate continuously instead of in frames, and now you’re telling me it really isn’t continuous????

[sand frost]

wave our hands and say "spooooky"

there is a "smallest size of thing" for some definitions of smallest size of thing

like, everything is made of atoms, right?

[pliant snow]

Nothing, whats hbar with you

[sand frost]

and atoms only come in so many sizes, and are made of smaller stuffs but you stop being able to zoom in farther at some point

[devout vault]

Quantum mechanics is my favorite thing I’m fascinated with but too incompetent at advanced math to bother actually understanding (as much as it is understood today)

[sand frost]

don't worry though it's real small only atra has to worry about it

and maybe like quantum physicists or something

[safe dragon]

idk man ask an actual physicist I'm just a dude who wached a veritasium video

[devout vault]

I was baffled when I learned that modern electronics have to deal with quantum tunneling. I didn’t think we were close to technology that advanced

[sand frost]

I enjoy teaching engineering because everything is built on fairly plausible mostly-true lies

[devout vault]

That makes you sound pretty credible to me

[safe dragon]

I'm more credible than chatgpt

[sand frost]

i feel relieved we have people like atra to worry about this

because i don't wanna

I've taken a couple classes that touched on quantum but more from the math side

[cursive sigil]

Understandable since you're a classical mathpersoon

[sand frost]

that's so true

i love to pretend relativity doesn't exist

we can just add and subtract velocities

[devout vault]

When I did my quantum mechanics Wikipedia rabbit hole a month or two ago I think I saw it was something studied with nuclear physics to some extent? Could be misremembering. But if so, I have a friend who might be knowledgeable on the subject since she’s working in her phd in some nuclear research field these days

[sand frost]

no problems here

[safe dragon]

when the yield of your chip manufacturing facility is lower than you expected because the soil the factory was built on top of was every so slightly more radioactive than average....

[devout vault]

That’s not a high bar

[sand frost]

yeah the nuclear people gotta worry about that kind of nonsense too

i also do not nuclear

i mean, nuclear people often work at a slightly larger length-scale (atoms instead of little bits that make up atoms)

[devout vault]

…is that a real thing? Please tell me it isn’t

[sand frost]

but surely they have to know some of the theory

[safe dragon]

it is though I have no sources rn I'd have to google

[sand frost]

is the answer more lead?

[cursive sigil]

Do you pinky swear?

[devout vault]

Google not chat gpt? Get with the times

[sand frost]

did they make the floor full of lead?

[safe dragon]

don't worry. With google these days it's juat about shit as chatgpt at finding info

[cinder karma]

No worries. No one knows how it works

If they feel they do they are lying to themselves

[cinder karma]

You just get the Google ai now

[devout vault]

You know what, fair.

Semi related, I really should find an extension or write a script to remove the AI summary nonsense from my results

[sand frost]

yeahhhh i don't trust it

i can see it's mostly just picking up numbers from websites (half my googling is to get specific numbers)

[safe dragon]

I can't find it so trust me bro is my source

[devout vault]

I literally scroll past the google ai every single time. Don’t even bother reading it

[sand frost]

and it's often but not always good at picking the numbers

I am regrettably incapable of not reading something

[pliant snow]

Dont worry, im here for your physics needs

[safe dragon]

switch to duckduckgo and get their AI summary instead

[devout vault]

How could I not trust someone wearing a giant cake as a hat

[safe dragon]

🙏

[devout vault]

And assuming that’s an owl, they’re known for being wise, even more reason to trust you

When I need advice I always go to owls wearing comically large food as a hat

[sand frost]

is it an option to put the food hat on the owl?

like do you need to find an owl already wearing the hat, or can you just find an owl and hattify?

[devout vault]

One already wearing one is best, because the longer they wear the food the more their wisdom multiplies

But an owl willing to wear a food hat must already be pretty wise among non food wearing folk

So the latter will do in a pinch

[safe dragon]

honestly in my head I still refuse to accept that quantum computing is actually random and that it's actually just perceived as random due to some mechanism that we don't understand or know about

[devout vault]

Yeah I have a hard time comprehending that. I know people use it as a way to explain how we can still have free will, but that’s not really necessary unless you’re the kind of person to exclude everything that can’t be observed in the physical world (such as spirituality even outside of religion)

[cinder karma]

Tbh young's two slit still blows my mind sometimes

[sand frost]

atra are you a physicist now 👀

[devout vault]

Probably partially due to being raised religious, I still lean towards something like a soul existing

[cinder karma]

Especially the electron version

[cinder karma]

Nope!

[devout vault]

Is that one of those light experiments with slits? Those do baffle me, I didn’t know there was an electron version

[worn remnant]

hot (?) take: none of us have free will, but that's not meaningfully distinguishable from us having it, so go enjoy yourself

[safe dragon]

To me whether the world is deterministic is entirely irrelevant to whether we have free will. Just because there is some way to predict how any person will act in advance does not mean you did not make a choice. Choices as a concept exist at a level much higher than physics

[devout vault]

I guess that can also get tricky to disagree with if you get different sorts of definitions for free will - like if you’re trapped in certain circumstances (ie. Your life) and can’t choose to get out / change them.

[sand frost]

honestly i hardly ever think about free will

[devout vault]

Me too

[sand frost]

mostly i just do things

and some of those definitely feel like choices to me

i leave the philosophy to my students, and the engineering analysis to me

[devout vault]

But I suppose I’m sometimes fond of blabbering about things I don’t know much about while I think about them (as long as I don’t try to present my random thoughts as truths)

[safe dragon]

if your friend knows you well enough to know what you'd do in advance it doesn't mean you never made a choice either so why is some perfect hypothetical super system that knows how literally anything anywhere ever always works suddenly stop it from being free will

[safe dragon]

😌

[devout vault]

This is kinda why I have a qualm with the Calvinism version of predestination. 😛 Like, them saying you’re pre-ordained for a certain fate vs. god just knowing how things all turn out.

I grew up knowing the former as “double predestination” while the latter being “single predestination”

[safe dragon]

I guess when people say free will they more mean that they want there to be something "beyond" what is governed by any physical phenomenon

[devout vault]

I’ve never made some of the connections from this conversation before, which is what makes it fun to talk or think about to me

[safe dragon]

predestination to me just reminds me of extremely depressing dutch literature by a guy called Louis Couperus

[worn remnant]

this is precisely what i meant. the free will part is an illusion, but it's fine, because even if it weren't, how would you tell the difference?

corollary: you are welcome to consider it not an illusion, for the same reason

[devout vault]

One of the main reasons I consider something like a soul to exist is our ability to perceive things beyond how our machines do. Like, I don’t just process input and make an output, I’m actually seeing myself holding my phone in front of me as an image. And (presumably) everyone else does too

[cinder karma]

Do it

[devout vault]

It’s of course very abstract and nebulous to think about/describe but it feels to me like mere biological circuitry couldn’t do that

[devout vault]

We should just have a bot rename the channel every day or so to a new off topic topic

[cinder karma]

Yup!

[safe dragon]

my view of the world is perhaps a little boring in the sense that I don't believe there's anything beyond what is govorned by some kind of logical predictable system even if that logic takes place as at a level of complexity that it might as well be random

[worn remnant]

i fall much closer to your soul being the collection of your memories and experiences, so that's compatible with being just a meat creature

[safe dragon]

I'm sure you'll find many interpretations of what a soul would be

and where people draw the line on whether an organism does or doesn't have a soul

in general I ascribe to interpretations that don't make humans special in this regard

[devout vault]

That’s fair, and I do feel like who we are is intrinsically linked to our bodies for stuff like that. But I feel like there has something else going on to explain the perception thing I mentioned

[sand frost]

i feel like the big questions i spend more time grappling with are things like how to be fair, what is fairness, how to be kind even when you are tired or grouchy, how to make the world a better place when it's so big and you're just one person

do we have souls? idk but we should probably be kind either way

[safe dragon]

I'd definitely say there's more important questions out there than the existence of souls or free will...

though physics was born out of asking such questions

[devout vault]

Yeah on the very rare occasion I even think about this sort of thing, it’s very much a thought experiment sort of thing. Not like I can do anything with the conclusion I reach.

These days I don’t fall under humans being ultra special either (beyond our biology having turned out to be the best suited for all the control over the world we have, but on a coincidental level rather than a designed level)

[sand frost]

i guess another thing i spend a lot of time thinking about is how people learn and how to get them to learn better. the nature of motivation and understanding.

[safe dragon]

sounds like the kind of thing a teacher would think about smh

[devout vault]

I’m sure a lot of my viewpoints are heavily influenced by being raised Christian too (even if I don’t fall under those beliefs anymore).

But I suppose everyone can say their viewpoints are influenced by their past experiences, that’s kinda the point

[safe dragon]

I'm sure many of my viewpoints were influenced by growing up in a mostly atheistic environment yes

[sand frost]

i guess mine from atheistic/buddhist 😛

with a side of ancestor worship

[devout vault]

Thankfully my parents were more on the side of kind Christians rather than hateful ones (even if looking back many people in our church weren’t the same way)

[worn remnant]

i grew up diet catholic (episcopalian) and i jettisoned it as soon as possible /lh

[devout vault]

My parents are awesome. Not perfect of course, but I can only think of one time for each of them that I’ve ever been genuinely hurt by something they said (and never any actions)

[devout vault]

Hey now, us Lutherans (especially conservative LCMS ones such as where I grew up) are the ones who deserve that title. (/s, I don’t even know much about what’s specific to Episcopalians)

[safe dragon]

my mom grew up catholic and my dad protestant but by the time I was born not even any of my grandparents still really ascribed to any religion anymore. The closest to a religion anyone came was that one of my grandmas believed in a very specific subsection of magical mediums/espers

[devout vault]

My mom was Baptist but dad was Lutheran. Mom ended up joining the Lutheran church largely because of their views on babies from miscarriages and such (if I remember correctly, though I think there were some other factors leading up to that point)

[safe dragon]

and as much as my mom says she knows it's nonsense I think deep down she believes you can jinx things

[sand frost]

buddhism is big on like trying to generally be good for the world and positive karma and all that so i guess maybe some of that did wear off on me. on the other hand reincarnation and ancestor worship always stuck me as a particularly weird thing to try to reconcile.

[devout vault]

Can she jinx <redacted per server rules> please

[past dawn]

[rain apex]

KARcasey...
KARsey

[safe dragon]

carcassy

[devout vault]

That might be reasonable if not for the fact that KAR is in place of cat, not a random insertion 😛

[rain apex]

You can have 3 KAR if u want

[devout vault]

A word commonly used at a morgue

[devout vault]

Let’s wait for the upcoming KAR 2 before we worry about KAR 3

[safe dragon]

I'm afraid she only believes you can jinx yourself

car 2 will fix traffic

[devout vault]

If there’s any reason I need to hang on to things a bit longer despite the world, it’s KAR 2 (semi-/s)

[devout vault]

I mean… where’s the lie…

[rain apex]

I don't think Buddhism and ancestor worship r that incompatible cus one of the things is like, getting out of the big wheel of reincarnation

[sand frost]

i guess i don't really believe any of my ancestors were THAT good

like they seem alright and all, but not saints 😛

[devout vault]

I’m eepy and want to sleep but instead I’m spending hours chatting on my phone, smh

[sand frost]

is KAR 2 like cars 2?

[rain apex]

When me grandpa died we did a whole thing to help him with the big wheel or something

[safe dragon]

I'm pretending that all I'm feeling is hay fever and that I'm not becoming sick

[rain apex]

I felt a little bit better afterwards

Even tho I'm not all that religious normally

[sand frost]

like when we put up incense and do a little pray thing, i feel like theologically, who are we praying to? the spirits of ancestors get reborn and all so it seems weird to pray to theoretically real people/beings

[safe dragon]

I missed some of these messages so when I saw you refer to a wheel all I could thing of was cheese wheels

[sand frost]

cheese wheels: also a good wheel

[safe dragon]

I do love cheese wheels

[rain apex]

Well i always interpreted as telling your great^n parents that you are doing good

[sand frost]

like i do still put fruit up and all, i just find it funny

[rain apex]

And wire them some hell money

[devout vault]

Isn’t cars 2 generally considered worse? Let’s hope not, KAR 1 was already poorly received at the time to begin with (largely because it came out around the same time as Mario kart and F Zero and people compared them as racing games while ignoring the true Peak that is City Trial, but still)

[sand frost]

i also think it's funny that we are always very practical and leave the fruit for a day or two then eat it

[sand frost]

i mostly know that cars 2 is a movie and that's it

i do not watch that many movies 😛

[safe dragon]

I believe cars 2 is considered the worst one...

[sand frost]

i would also theorize there are cars in the movie

[safe dragon]

I don't know how many there are but I know there's at least 3

[rain apex]

Crumble would you like to exit the big cheese wheel

[cursive sigil]

Movies or cars in the movie?

[devout vault]

Cars 2 is the spy one right? I don’t even know the plot of the other one after the first (3 I suppose)

[safe dragon]

no why would I want to leave cheese

[rain apex]

No enlightenment for you

[safe dragon]

it's fine, I have cheese

[devout vault]

Cheese wheels make me think of the Skyrim memes

[sand frost]

is there cheese in skyrim?

[safe dragon]

yes

[devout vault]

Good choice, choosing cheese is the real enlightenment

[cursive sigil]

There's cheese wheels in Skyrim

[safe dragon]

It makes me think of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper's_Hill_Cheese-Rolling_and_Wake

[devout vault]

People joke about how you can hoard cheese wheels and if you’re low on health pause the game by opening your inventory and devouring 20 cheese wheels at once to refill your health

20 might be in the low side?

[devout vault]

…I’m getting flashbacks to the neopets minigame where you rolled a cheese wheel down a hill

[rain apex]

The giants in Skyrim have these big ol bins of mammoth cheese that looks really tasty

[sand frost]

the cheese in that race is so much smaller than i thought!

only like 8lbs!

[rain apex]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/elderscrolls/images/0/06/Mammoth_cheese_containers.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111202191857

[sand frost]

won the ladies race in 2023, despite finishing unconscious

this sure is a quote

[devout vault]

For the uncultured. https://www.jellyneo.net/?go=cheeseroller

[safe dragon]

not just "unaware"... "uncultured"

I have played this

[devout vault]

I’m only realizing after your message that that was a pun

One of the very rare cases where a pun was truly unintended

However, I stand by it. Puns are something to be proud of, not ashamed of

[sand frost]

i am the uncultured

[devout vault]

By becoming cultured, you too can have the privilege of becoming a wonderful cheese wheel.

…Though hopefully not as round as me just saying

[safe dragon]

reminding me of uni where we had to determine the "roundness" of a shape using the fourier series

[devout vault]

I never learned what a Fourier anything was and I refuse to learn, it sounds too mathy and scares me

[safe dragon]

it should

I hate the fourier series for how useful it is

[devout vault]

If I ever need it for a mod for some crazy reason I’ll bug Elizabeth to help me like I did with matrices

[safe dragon]

why is such an incredibly useful and commonly utilized bit of mathematics so difficult to understand

[sand frost]

fourier series just means that any repeating pattern can be represented as the sum of sines and cosines

(well, one of the fourier things)

(some of the others are more annoying—i never got the hang of discrete fourier)

[safe dragon]

at its core yes

I do conceptually understand what it does

[pliant snow]

Make wave graph be spikey graph if there lot of frequency

[devout vault]

Is this supposed to be simpler. That’s not dumb enough for my struggles-with-calc-2 brain

[sand frost]

so there's a square wave in blue

the four pictures show what happens if you try to make a square wave by adding up sines and cosines (wiggly waves)

so you can see they get closer and closer to the square wave

basically i think the picture version is the easiest way to understand

[crystal wren]

Feels like an integration thing, but probably not, and I am probably wildly off base because I do not maths.

[sand frost]

there's some calculus hiding behind the nice pictures

but shhhh just look at the nice pictures

[devout vault]

Still don’t understand and also now dont understand how that could be useful 😛

[safe dragon]

a basic example. If you can take an audio signal (aka a whole bunch of different wavelengths smushed together) you can use the fourier transform to break that down to each individual wave it's made out of and remove ones you don't want like maybe a high pitch background noise and then put then together again in a new modified audio signal

[devout vault]

Huh, weird

I knew it was used a bunch in signal processing but didn’t understand what it was used for

[crystal wren]

(It's how these are made!)

[safe dragon]

the entire field of audio processing honestly revolves around fourier

I know it's also used in electrical engineering but idk in what form exactly

[devout vault]

This goes back to something I said to my aunt within the past few hours

[safe dragon]

clarke's three laws and all that

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

[sand frost]

probably signal processing

[safe dragon]

presumably

I had to use fourier once for object recognition in that same damn class as the roundness

[cinder karma]

(Small signal analysis too)

[cinder karma]

Is it?

That's a....fuck

I used to know this

My notes would have called it a packet Fourier but that isn't the technical term

[ivory shadow]

Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from technology.

[cinder karma]

My favorite is the same picture but for Taylor series

[crystal wren]

FFTs are at least a big component in making spectrograms, yeah.

[pliant snow]

Is it time to start looking into sonarr and the like...

[marble jewel]

Look up awesome-arr for a variety of self-hosted tools to manage your personal collections

[pliant snow]

Its always felt like overkill, and ive been torn on whether to use a vps or an old machine and whether its worth it...

[marble jewel]

I am very pleased with my setup

[pliant snow]

Where are you running it

[marble jewel]

Here is my "Homepage" instance with most of the services I'm hosting

Some aren't linked here, like headless services that I run from docker/dockge

Gluetun is what I use to run certain containers behind a vps

The majority of my services are running on my unraid server

My latest homelab project is using rotz to finally have all of my config version controlled, and consistent across windows, linux, and mac

Not to mention it should give me the ability to recreate a good chunk of my setup from scratch whenever I need to do that

[pliant snow]

📝

[marble jewel]

Also everything is private in that you have to belong to my tailscale network in order to access any of it. So even between services and clients it's all vpn tunnels.

[pliant snow]

Yeah, I have a somewhat similar setup, but it's mainly on just one machine

I have an old one tho that I was debating using for arr stuff, so I dont have to worry about it on my main one

[marble jewel]

The one exception is I share a couple things with friends/family using the public internet, but even in that case my VPS hosts a reverse proxy that itself is only connecting to those specific services through the tailscale tunnel

[pliant snow]

Oh does that work?

[marble jewel]

Yup, and it's good enough for streaming

[pliant snow]

Huh. I used to expose my jellyfin, but was a bit wary of it, and it wasnt feasible once I started using tailscale, but maybe I still could

[marble jewel]

I found a VPS that is reasonably priced, hosted in my same region, and offers unlimited bandwidth

[pliant snow]

So you arent using a vpn, youre routing arr stuff through your own VPS

and making it their problem lol

[marble jewel]

I am using both a VPN and a VPS

Gluetun makes the egress traffic from specified containers all route through the VPN

Since the container's traffic is going through Gluetun, their webui ports are in gluetun, which still allows me to reverse proxy those through the gluetun container, if that makes sense

So instead of going to container_name:port, it proxies gluetun:port, which is accessible to me by my own domain. The other part is I use blocky for dns so that the domain routes to my server's tailscale ip address.

For VPN I'm just using the one that comes with a Proton membership

[rotund violet]

Isn't Tailscale the standard way to do it?

Also, jellyfin's metadata system is ass without starr. Probably not entirely jellyfin devs' fault, more TMDB's fault for having terrible search, but either way I never got good results without the whole stack.

[pliant snow]

I think exposing a port is the "standard" way to do it, whether or not that's advised

I mostly don't have issues with Jellyfin's metadata, although when something doesn't want to cooperate, then it really doesn't want to

[rotund violet]

Yeah exactly, maybe it works for 90% of what's in your library, but for the other 10% it will flat out refuse to find the correct entry no matter what kind of naming hoops you try to jump through, and will infuriate you because what it actually comes up with is not even close, often not even in the right language. The *arrs do a great job of automating most of that, and make it very easy (albeit slightly tedious) to work through the manual cleanup steps where automation fails.

If you let the *arrs manage all the metadata and completely turn it off in jellyfin, everything works great.

[devout vault]

Is this what non-coders feel like when they peek in #making-mods-general while the c# nerds are talking

“I know several of these words, but what in the world do they mean when put together like this”

[pliant snow]

problem is, I think I'm going to have the arrs and jellyfin running on separate machines, idk if theres a way to leverage that

[pliant snow]

or what i feel like when the C# nerds are talking

[rotund violet]

Haven't tried that and not sure why you feel you need to, but I don't see why it would be any real problem as long as they can both access the media directory.

That said, it's considered "proper" setup to have everything (app data and media) on a single filesystem with a standard structure. It's more work to get all the paths and mounts straight otherwise.

[pliant snow]

That's what I mean, it'll be on a second machine, so I wont get the benefits (unless I want to muck about with NFS, which I dont particularly)

[rotund violet]

Why though, why not just run it all on one?

[pliant snow]

So I can have a single "you need to be on the VPN at all times" machine, and the other where I can just do whatever

[rotund violet]

I don't think you really need that with just jellyfin and the starrs. If there are specific things you need behind a VPN, that's what gluetun is for, like Matt said. You set up that particular container to use gluetun for its networking and it's forced to route all its traffic through the VPN, at the container level.

But why would you need the jellyfin instance to be on the VPN, and not the starrs? That doesn't compute for me.

[pliant snow]

it wouldnt be, its on the main server

I could use gluetun, and I probably will, but I still like the separation

plus if I want to put it on a vps, I can just do so, or if i decide I dont need it

[rotund violet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ if you say so. It really seems illogical to me to want them on separate physical servers. Separate containers, yes, and that's the normal way to set them up.

[marble jewel]

That isn't a problem at all

They have entirely different jobs, the only thing they may share is storage, but even in my case the storage is physically separate and syncs up using lftp and a custom cron task

[rotund violet]

Duplicating the entire media library could be a lot of storage depending on the size of said library...

[marble jewel]

I will say, it may not work perfectly out of the box. Some of how mine is setup depends on custom scripts that run on completion and such. The starr side of things is only a transient location for me.

[rotund violet]

Yeah, that's probably kind of sketchy, I'm sure you can get it to work but it's not designed to work without actually having access to the underlying media and a lot of features depend on that.

[marble jewel]

The main thing being upgrading to a desired quality, but I still get that. For me a download is "done" if I've reached my desired quality/score or if I've consumed the media (by watching it). So there is a bit of duplication for everything which is in that state.

[rotund violet]

I guess so, though also for knowing what's missing, and for integration with all the other apps (like grabbing subs).

[dusty pollen]

guys Casey is trying to give us a virus /lh

[devout vault]

Alas, my plot has been foiled

(It worked fine the other day but isn't loading for me now either, weird)

[dusty pollen]

whoever decided that the way discord mobile jumps to messages should be to scroll to the message no matter how long it takes should be tried in court for their crimes against UX

[devout vault]

Is that new? I haven't updated my mobile discord in ages and haven't seen that

[dusty pollen]

it's always been that way for me I think? hold on let me show you what I mean haha

I start recording and it immediately starts being sane.

thank you discord, very cool

[devout vault]

<flashbacks to tech problems fixing themselves when dad came over to see what the problem was>

Huh, that's bizarre and definitely seems annoying

[dusty pollen]

11s of scrolling for this conversation every time I bounce between where I'm currently reading and now

guess I have to wait until all the messages in between unload again so it's quicker

[devout vault]

On my phone it seems to try and jump to the message instantly, but with older messages (like the one you jumped to) it seems to just go to some spot vaguely near where I wanted to go

[dusty pollen]

I find that that often happens for me with ignored messages I think

anyway deleted that because I hate having uncropped screenshots and screen recordings out, it makes me feel like I'm accidentally leaking info

toki pona? /lh

[devout vault]

Ignored messages as in from blocked people? I've never blocked anyone so that's not the case here

[dusty pollen]

there's a new discord feature that's like half a block called ignore where it hides their messages but doesn't prevent them from interacting with you in any way, so that haha

[devout vault]

googles "My goal was to reflect on the meaning of life in just 120 words" yeah that sounds cursed

(Assuming that means there are only 120 words in the language)

[devout vault]

Ah, I think I heard about that, haven't used it either.

[dusty pollen]

they claim speakers simply learn to talk via basic descriptions instead of names/terms. My theory is that they actually just end up coming with compound terms for various things which are then the accepted/expected/understood way of referring to those things, but I haven't looked into it enough to check

[devout vault]

The latter part just sounds like German (or at least my incredibly rudimentary understanding of it, mostly from memes)

[dusty pollen]

but I found out about it because there's an unofficial stardew translation for it now haha (or someone is working on one? I can't remember)

[rain apex]

how do u say parsnip in toki pona

[devout vault]

It seems like a lot of things would end up having very long/complex words for them if it's based on composite descriptors

[dusty pollen]

I've used opengl by force against my will and better judgement (it was an assignment for the graphics course at uni)

[dusty pollen]

oh by composite I just meant stringing words together in a phrase rather than putting them into one word

[dusty pollen]

my guess is that it ends up being something like "orange spring vegetable" or something

crumble what

[devout vault]

Isn't that basically the same thing just with extra spaces

[dusty pollen]

but since it isn't all one word they can say that actually people come up with it on the spot every single time or something

my question is why does a language like that use an alphabet. you have 120 words. you're the perfect candidate for glyphs

[devout vault]

I suppose that also lets you use text wrapping properly as well

[devout vault]

Good point, it's a much more reasonable use case (in my unknowledgeable opinion) than other languages. <looks at Japanese Kanji in fear>

[dusty pollen]

joke's on you, we were MADE to write haskell

happy birthday!

[dusty pollen]

especially since each of the million implementations does its own thing

[dusty pollen]

I had a birthday at some point where (thanks to being a 2000 baby) I turned X on X/X/20X

[dusty pollen]

not a hot take! there's even a saying in Judaism/Hebrew about that which roughly translates to "all is known and permission is given", as in you have no free will but you still have to do the things that will be done and that's basically the same

[dusty pollen]

as always I'm glad I stuck so far to the side of pure (as opposed to applied) maths that I never had to encounter that

[dusty pollen]

Taylor approximations are fun I remember nothing about them though

anyway I'm caught up now

[devout vault]

Huh, it surprises me to learn that's a thing in Judaism considering Christianity branched from it, and (at least in the circles I grew up in, ie. not a calvanist kind of christianity) christianity seems to put a lot of emphasis on free will.

I mean, I know christianity added a bunch of stuff, but the more I learn about judaism for example the more I learn just how much that is the case

[dusty pollen]

the best way to think of it is that the "God is all-benevolent" stuff is fairly Christian. The old testament calls him jealous and includes the story of Job etc. Christianity removes a lot of the chores that are there in Judaism (and adds in a threat of hell because now it's necessary there's no Jewish hell)

well, there are a lot of things I would describe as Jewish hell, just not in a literal sense

[devout vault]

The way I had the jealousy stuff explained to me was that jealousy and envy were different, ie. it was natural to feel jealous at times, but taking action to take what you're jealous of away from someone else is bad. Or something like that

The Job stuff did always seem a bit odd

Didn't realize the benevolent thing was christian added though

[dusty pollen]

and yet he very much is described as taking action

[devout vault]

Good point, but don't expect a teenager or younger to be an expert on theology 😛

I think there was probably some argument as to god having a right to whatever he was jealous of, compared to a human being jealous of someone else's wife for example

[dusty pollen]

it is and it isn't. Most believing Jews will absolutely tell you that god is good and kind, but it's depicted in very different ways, especially since the Jewish god is interventionist

[devout vault]

Christianity likes to brand itself as the natural extension to where Judaism was going / what was intended from the beginning, so I guess it'd make sense I'd be out of touch on a lot of the differences

[dusty pollen]

...it does?

because it absolutely is not that

[devout vault]

Well, at least the brand of christianity I was raised with 😛

[dusty pollen]

I've never heard of that and it's very funny to me as a Jew haha

[devout vault]

And I mean, it seems like a reasonable assumption if you believe all the stuff about jesus's coming being foreshadowed throughout the old testament and what not

Big if on "if you believe this stuff" though 😛

[cursive sigil]

Hello theology-off-topic

[devout vault]

A natural extension of earlier being philosophy-off-topic 😛

Blame irocendar for responding to things while backreading

[dusty pollen]

(that part is very complicated, I assume you mean the Daniel prophecies?)

[devout vault]

There's a lot more than just that, but that's part of it

[dusty pollen]

I will not stand for this! I will reply to things a day late once the topic has moved on like the true out of touch internet denizen I am

[devout vault]

I do that sometimes too, but I don't have the patience to backread large amounts like I used to.

And also, being a bit hypocritical is perfectly in line with being an out of touch internet denizen such as myself too 😛

[cursive sigil]

It is actually really helpful, i don't have to do all the scrolling to backread, just click on all the messages you're replying to

[devout vault]

There was a time when I would backread everything that happened in making mods overnight.... but this was back in the early server days when making mods of all types, playing with mods, and user support as well as the regulars getting off topic like this channel is for were all one channel

Though there was that period of time where the MP mod I made had it's own channel (for both finding people to play with and support) because of how popular it was, relatively speaking

[cursive sigil]

I also used to read everything when i first joined, now i just skim through and i fully read if something really grabs my attention

[safe dragon]

I refuse to read I just vibe

[devout vault]

Please don't vibe code

[cursive sigil]

Just like the people in the comment section of mods

[safe dragon]

can't believe you hate accessibility (and disabled people by extension)

[devout vault]

Wow, are you going to accuse me of not liking "art being democratized" for not being fond of AI art next

[ivory shadow]

Let's invent a new esoteric programming language called vibe

[safe dragon]

it's gotta be on of those that tries to look like natural language except taken too far

[cursive sigil]

So all the searches to vibe coding go to that like when elden ring named the mount torrent

[devout vault]

That just sounds like that I think I heard (I think before april 1st, sadly) about some llm working on developing the ability to turn a prompt straight into an executable

[safe dragon]

I saw that yeah

[cursive sigil]

Oof

[cinder karma]

Tbh Haskell is really fun in theory

[safe dragon]

I've done an entire year of advent of code in haskell

also had to write a funky compiler using it back in uni

[dusty pollen]

I really liked it actually! the tutor said I apparently already think in very functional programming ways

a lot of people hate it though, and I will never quite understand why it's the first programming language that degree teaches

[safe dragon]

there would definitely be less daunting introductions to functional programming than haskell

you honestly almost can't do worse

barring like... Idris or something

[cinder karma]

Serious

What is wrong with your school, iro

[sand frost]

Somehow I thought you were older than me xD

You’ll be a cube soon!

[safe dragon]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who thought about 27 being a cube year

clearly most people around me irl don't care about neat math ages

[sand frost]

That’s a shame cause it makes for a fun birthday party

[cinder karma]

Tbh I stopped celebrating my birthday by the time I was in my teens

It doesn't exist anymore

Every year I get older and sadder about it

[safe dragon]

since I turned 18 my bday has been celebrated pretty much the same way

my family comes over or I go there and we eat something nice

in the past we usually went to a sushi place but now that my sister has a young kid that hasn't been particularly feasible

[sand frost]

I throw my own birthday parties! It’s a good excuse to have people over

[dusty pollen]

I am one million years old

[dusty pollen]

they were founded sometime in the 1200s and think that makes them cool

[dusty pollen]

crumble, keep in mind that I didn’t say this was the first functional programming class.

it’s the first programming class full stop

[safe dragon]

oh dear god

that's a good way to reduce the student count

[dusty pollen]

term 1 year 1. The only programming you do that term

[safe dragon]

my introduction to haskell was term 1 year 2

[dusty pollen]

in terms 2 and 3 you get to learn imperative programming, but to keep the link to term 1’s functional programming, they make you do it in scala, which is one of the languages with the most bewildering decisions I have ever seen

[safe dragon]

what an odd curriculum

starting you out with two languages that have almost no job potential as well

[dusty pollen]

oh so because employers complained about grads from this uni having absolutely no programming skills, they added automated testing to the scala course.

They don’t actually teach it, they just kind of… set a practical on it and leave the TAs to clean up the mess

this uni is very lucky that just the uni name carries enough weight that usually people don’t have too much trouble finding jobs

[safe dragon]

our software testing course was optional

C# tho...

[dusty pollen]

real thing that happened in that imperative course btw:

me: what build toolchain do you recommend? I could only find sbt and I have it partially set up but I wanted to hear your opinions
tutor: what’s a build toolchain

[safe dragon]

a handy tutor

I don't trust languages that have different build tools used by different projects

[dusty pollen]

tbf he was good at the actual course, it’s just that this uni doesn’t like veering too close to actual practical proogramming

anyway iirc he (and everyone else) was just calling the compiler manually each time or something (or maybe even using a JIT version? it’s been a while)

[devout vault]

Man, at least use a makefile

[rain apex]

Proogram

[dusty pollen]

I considered that but decided to continue avoiding learning them so I just learned how to use the main scala build chain instead

[sand frost]

that's so f'd up

I learned haskell (poorly and in a very limited sense) as my 3rd language

scheme/lisp as the first, which is way better than haskell for that imo

[ivory shadow]

Well, it's not as bad as I expected, but still annoying. In response to tariffs, Framework is raising their prices in the US by 10% and absorbing the rest of the hit themselves. I hope this nonsense goes away by this summer, when I was planning to order a laptop.

(The blog post about that.)

[dusty pollen]

I would direct all complaints to the oxford cs department but they don't tend to listen to literally anyone

[ivory shadow]

I feel like no higher educational class on programming has ever been described to me in a way that makes the class sound good

[sand frost]

lol they definitely would not listen to me

I've heard some good things about some classes, but none that I took so I can't really give details, I ran away from CS pretty hard in college

But there was a class that really emphasized writing readable, bug-free code from what I gathered

lots of grumbles but also conceding that it did improve their skills

[dusty pollen]

I feel like adjusting the prices of existing preorders seems like something that shouldn't even be considered, but that's just my gut reaction tbh

[ivory shadow]

I've got a friend going through a course teaching Java right now and some of the shit they come to me with questions about... it's crazy.

[ivory shadow]

Rather than adjusting the prices, I wish they'd just make a separate line item that directly spells out the impact of tarrifs.

In fact, I wish they'd list the full price of the tarrifs and then subtract off the part of the cost they're absorbing.

It is a tax, it should be invoiced like a tax.

[dusty pollen]

yeah I just mean for people who already put in an order. It feels weird that even if you already put in the order and paid, you may get an email saying "would you like to pay us more or to cancel the order?"

[ivory shadow]

I don't think they did?

[sand frost]

I do think CS as a whole suffers from industry being such a big pull away from academia — those who are left in academia tend to be more of a mixed bag, in my experience

[ivory shadow]

Framework, I mean. I've heard of other companies doing that

[dusty pollen]

or ig maybe they weren't prepaid? it says they're considering it I think

[ivory shadow]

Someone on reddit posted a thing about a graphics card they pre-ordered going up in price like $1,000 and needing to reply to an email if they still wanted it

[sand frost]

I have been adjacent to a variety of STEM fields and the ones I was least impressed by were in CS, though some of that is ML being in CS

[dusty pollen]

this is the paragraph I'm looking at

[ivory shadow]

Oh, right, that.

Pre-orders are weird so I wasn't thinking of those as much as "things that are currently available already"

[dusty pollen]

yeah it just feels a little shitty. I get that since it's a preorder the tariffs will apply to it when it's delivered so they may have to do this but something about not respecting the price they agreed to when people initially preordered seems awkward to me (even if they make sure to warn you first rather than just taking money out)

god I configured a framework 16 just for the fun of it to see how much it would cost me and it's £1800 without a GPU

[cinder karma]

That's the weird thing!

[cinder karma]

I really doubt the issue will go away

[rain apex]

How do i uber convert currency again

[cinder karma]

Then again, my yolo limit order on VT hasn't struck yet

And I keep on expecting it to

!convert usd gbp

[indigo mist]

These community tools help update mods to newer formats or frameworks:

• Convert to Content Patcher from Custom Furniture, Better Farm Animal Variety (BFAV), Custom Music, JSON Assets, More than Necessary (MTN), SAAT, Shop Tile Framework (STF), TMXLoader, or XNB.
• Convert to other frameworks:
  • Pants/skirt spritesheets to Fashion Sense
  • Visual Content Patcher mods to Alternative Textures
  • Hair spritesheets and JSON Assets shirts & hats to Fashion Sense
  • Custom Ore Nodes and Custom Resource Clumps mods to Item Extensions Framework
  • Content Patcher Animations to SpaceCore
• Other tools:
  • Extract i18n for a Content Patcher pack
  • Convert fish data from field names to slash delimited values
  • Convert markdown text to Nexus' bbcode

To use this command, type !convert.

[cinder karma]

....guess not

[dusty pollen]

using wolfram I think

.wolfram £1800 to Canadian dollars

[heavy dagger]

C$3263.47 (Canadian dollars) (April 9, 2025)

[cinder karma]

.wolfram 1800 euro to usd

[heavy dagger]

$1988.10 (US dollars) (April 8, 2025)

[cinder karma]

My god

[dusty pollen]

that was a pound sign not a euro sign atra

.wolfram £1800 to usd

[heavy dagger]

$2300.11 (US dollars) (April 8, 2025)

[dusty pollen]

there we go

[rain apex]

Big moni

[dusty pollen]

damn, the euro crashed a lot

[rain apex]

.wolfram £1800 to cad

[heavy dagger]

C$3263.47 (Canadian dollars) (April 9, 2025)

[rain apex]

This is only slightly less than what i paid for my gaming pc that does indeed have real gpu

[dusty pollen]

and that configuration wouldn't have a GPU at all...

[supple ether]

That's three times what I paid for computer parts including a real gpu

[dusty pollen]

that's infinitely more than my pc cost me!

...granted, I got my pc for free because my uni was throwing it away

[supple ether]

Free is the best price

[dusty pollen]

wait, the framework 12 is a yoga laptop? I don't trust those at all

[cinder karma]

Why not?

[safe dragon]

can't trust yoga

[dusty pollen]

in my experience yoga laptops are super fragile and weird

it probably got better on the windows side of things in the several years since I last had the misfortune of seeing one, but I'm definitely not going to bet on Linux compat

but like the yoga thinkpads for example are famous for random BSoDs (or were back in 2018)

[rain apex]

Cursed hinges yes

How much are competing products

I.e. gaming laptops with a igpu

[dusty pollen]

something about the touchscreen and the removable keyboard apparently makes firmware go

[cinder karma]

Removable?

[cyan shadow]

I had an HP x360 touchscreen laptop before my current one, it was fine
It didn't have a removable keyboard though, it just folded into a tablet

[cinder karma]

Tbh I have a yoga computer

[dusty pollen]

you are asking the wrong person nothing I own was bought by me or is newer than 2016

[cinder karma]

Thr touch screen never worked for linux

[dusty pollen]

(where that applies obviously)

does the framework 12 also only have one ram slot? I mean it makes sense for a 12" laptop it just surprised me

[safe dragon]

I want a laptop with specifically 3

[pliant snow]

ah yes, tri-channel memory

[dusty pollen]

also are the expansion cards just usb-c to (whatever port) dongles in a form factor that slots into the framework

I am confusion

[worn remnant]

always has been

[dusty pollen]

so... you could save some money by just not buying any usb-c ones?

[lethal walrus]

you could

[ivory shadow]

https://bsky.app/profile/frame.work/post/3lmfj2qqyy32p

I have no idea how these prices compare to prices for other laptops.

Framework (@frame.work)

Framework Laptop 12 pre-orders are now open, with first shipments in June! DIY Edition starts at €569/£499/CA$719. Full specs are up on our website.

Bluesky · Apr 9, 2025, 5:25 PM

[lethal walrus]

but then you'd have big recesses

[ivory shadow]

Since there's no US price for obvious reasons and I don't keep up with non-US prices

[lethal walrus]

how do the framework model numbers work? is it screen size?

[ivory shadow]

Yes

[lethal walrus]

ah

[ivory shadow]

The 12 is a 12-inch model, that has a touchscreen and 180 degree hinge.

The 13 and 16 are 13-inch and 16-inch respectively, with no touchscreen and normal hinges.

[dusty pollen]

it looks like a 360 hinge on their website?

this also just made me giggle but one of their job listings has, among their requirements, all three of a bachelor's degree, an understanding of discord bots, and a love of memes, and I find that combination so funny

[ivory shadow]

Err, yeah

Sorry I am a little distracted

[cinder karma]

Apply, lol

[lethal walrus]

is that the community manager

[ivory shadow]

Well, 719 CAD is 519 USD. I was expecting around $500 USD for this to make sense at all.

[lethal walrus]

A desire and ability to wear multiple hats in the early stages of a company, including direct engagement with the community, organizing digital events, and working with internal and external partners.
i thought they had fun hats :(

[dusty pollen]

unfortunately I live across an ocean and do not have a degree in the required fields nor any desire to do this kind of community management

[ivory shadow]

A bachelor's degree for a community manager?

[lethal walrus]

the community marketing manager is remote to solve the ocean issue

[dusty pollen]

in communications or marketing apparently, yeah. Plus three years' experience

[dusty pollen]

well in that case! /lh

oh actually they'll accept a technical field too ig it's only the experience that's holding me back

[dusty pollen]

(if I'm being honest the only thing holding me back is this bullet point, I don't like to be perceived and also have an accent haha)

[lethal walrus]

fair enough

[dusty pollen]

might still end up applying ngl, what's the worst that could happen it's a lot of money and I can probably come up with something that counts towards the experience

[cinder karma]

Oh that

Multiple hats is code for "you have the duties of three jobs"

[dusty pollen]

"and they'll be laid out as vaguely as possible"

but like that's also normal for startups afaik

[lethal walrus]

at least they're.. vaguely sounding like the main job

[lethal walrus]

true

[cinder karma]

I have literally threatened to buy and put on hats

[dusty pollen]

still can't get over the "DevOps engineer/IT technician" listing I saw the other day

[lethal walrus]

technician as in.. hardware..?

[dusty pollen]

as in setting up their network and stuff I think?

like the ethernet network

it was so strange

[cinder karma]

"Go away, the label on my hat is $(projectA) today. Come back when I wearing the $(projectB) hat"

[lethal walrus]

weird combination then

well they're both internet! /s

[dusty pollen]

yeah, I can't really think of someone I'd want less involved in IT stuff than devops engineers lmao

[dusty pollen]

make this threat but come in with the beret, white hat or black hat from xkcd

honestly beret guy has been proven to be an asset to every company he was shown at

[lethal walrus]

wear all 3 hats at once

the more hats, the better

[cyan shadow]

that's pretty alright imo

[ivory shadow]

https://bsky.app/profile/frame.work/post/3lmfkxzydin2k 🤔

Framework (@frame.work)

With the latest update on tariffs as of a few minutes ago, we're returning our system pricing to where it was before this change. We're working on this now and will have more updates soon.

Framework (@frame.work)
With 32% tariffs on Taiwan in effect, we’ve increased system pricing for US customers by 10%. For now, we’re absorbing the remaining tariff cost. For our lowest-priced base configurations, where we can’t afford to absorb the tariffs, we’re currently pausing sale to the US.

Bluesky · Apr 9, 2025, 5:59 PM

Maybe I should place my order now?

[lethal walrus]

as in, they are absorbing all of the tariff costs?

[ivory shadow]

That's what it sounds like

[lethal walrus]

oh very cool

[worn remnant]

fellas, is it cool when import levies fluctuate wildly in real time? /s

[sand frost]

what's the weird thing?

[cinder karma]

All my friends are CS and they seem normal?

Except for the one or two friends who escaped

Well, you're my friend and you escsped

[worn remnant]

i escaped CS as a major, but not as a lifestyle /lh

[cinder karma]

(Same I suspect haha)

[past dawn]

Framework is a great company

[cinder karma]

(Elizabeth too if we really asked her)

[past dawn]

You never quit CS, you only take long breaks.

Once you know how the magic magic thinking boxes work you can't forget the forbidden knowledge.

[cinder karma]

Ryoku, I'm an electrical engineer

[pliant snow]

Non-chinese tariffs have been paused for 90 days, so this might be the time to do it

[marble jewel]

You have 90 days to buy all the things before the market gets all fucked up again

[sand frost]

Heyyyy that’s so true

Unreasonably accurate

[dusty pollen]

I had to revoke @cursive sigil’s cs lifestyle card when I found out her pc was (gasp) up to date and well-specced

I think that’s illegal

[cursive sigil]

Yes, this is why i mostly lurk here, i'm not allowed to be here anymore

[cinder karma]

Seeeeeeee

[supple ether]

my computer is only 6 years old at this point but I'm determined to get 10 years out of it

[cinder karma]

These people are gamers

Tbh all I've been doing on my personal computer is looking at my investment accounts and biting my nails

[supple ether]

understandable

[dusty pollen]

ooo what kind of computer is it?

[supple ether]

I spend a lot of time on the internet but that's mostly because real-world stuff tends to cost money and I don't really have any disposable income.

[dusty pollen]

if it’s a desktop then I bet 10 will be easy, especially if you’re willing to do small upgrades

[crystal wren]

...what's the threshold for up to date and well specced?

[dusty pollen]

laptop… I mean as I’ve said many times, both of mine are 9 years old now

[supple ether]

yeah it's a desktop I built and maintain myself

[dusty pollen]

how old is your computer

[dusty pollen]

Theseus’ PC. theoretically can last forever /lh

[rotund violet]

Market's already fucked up - extra $300 for a laptop ain't nothin' compared to the $300,000 down (not personalized/exact number) in some people's portfolios.

[cursive sigil]

Was it ever new?

[supple ether]

you'd think so, but not really. all the new cpus will require a new motherboard because the socket on my existing motherboard isn't compatible. also I would need new ram, since my ram is too old.

[supple ether]

when I built it all the parts were new

[cursive sigil]

I also built mine myself and plan to maintain it myself but i did splurge and got everything new

[dusty pollen]

the trick is to ignore the cpu age until windows stops running, and then just remove windows and install linux and ignore the cpu age forever

[supple ether]

well yes, I don't plan to upgrade any time soon. my cpu is more than enough for everything despite how old it is

[dusty pollen]

(but yeah the tie between CPUs and motherboards is so annoying)

I’ve had to explain to people a couple times that unless you’re gaming, doing media production/editing, or running ML stuff locally, your hardware requirements are probably pretty light

[cursive sigil]

I also plan to keep everything as is for a very long time, unless something dies ofc

[crystal wren]

How do I determine the age of a self built that's had upgrades over the last forever?

[dusty pollen]

when did you first assemble it

[cursive sigil]

You mention both the oldest part's age and the newest part's age

[dusty pollen]

and how old are the oldest and newest pats

[supple ether]

compiling large rust projects still makes it chug but I think that is just kind of how compiling is

[dusty pollen]

yeah, and besides, compile time is never a bad thing (bear with while I get the xkcd)

.xkcd 303

uber has forsaken xkcd

dh did you guys disable the xkcd command

[cursive sigil]

Not quite the same but i literally spent 6 hours at work today doing nothing because a model was training

[dusty pollen]

my parents once argued with me that the reason I didn’t get a nicer laptop in uni was that I didn’t need one until I pointed out that every time I wanted to run one of my ML practicals it took like three hours to train and I had to run them a bunch of times each time

(the actual reason is that I did not consider that to be a good enough reason to spend money lmao)

[cursive sigil]

Oh yeah i remember training models locally, fun long times

[crystal wren]

...the oldest is 2022, and the newest is 2024.

In my defense, the previous incarnation of this PC was a 9th gen Intel system with something badly wrong with either the motherboard or CPU. And I wasn't about to switch out for a relatively old part on the chance it wasn't even the problem.

[cursive sigil]

The oldest being 3 years old i think is grounds for a revocation @dusty pollen

I built mine at the start of 2024 and the one before had like an 8th gen i5

[ivory shadow]

I only really consider the graphics card and CPU for age when determining a computer's age. RAM and storage I judge by capacity rather than age. And motherboard age is incredibly bound by CPU age so doesn't matter.

[crystal wren]

This is ignoring the storage and RAM is the sad part.

[cursive sigil]

If it's not a HDD and DDR3 there's no point mentioning them

[marble jewel]

I upgrade more often then I need to, but what mostly motivates me is if I can perceive any bottlenecks in my day-to-day that an upgrade would help with. I haven't run into any of those in a while.

[cursive sigil]

What's your current setup?

[marble jewel]

But then again, I have an RTX 4090 so I probably shouldn't have any bottlenecks yet.

I'm not at my computer right now, but I have posted my neofetch/winfetch here before, let me see if I can dig up the post.

Nothing has changed since I lasted posted my specs.

#programmers-off-topic message

[crystal wren]

A 9900X and a much more modest 7900XT for me.

[cursive sigil]

i went with 7800X3D and 4080 Super

[marble jewel]

I've been really itching to rebuild my home server, but trying to be a little more frugal.

[supple ether]

I have a 2600x and a 1660ti

[crystal wren]

I think that means you can keep your card.

The rest of us, though...

[rotund violet]

I measure age in terms of number of coolant refills.

[crystal wren]

Well then technically my coolant tank is the planet's atmosphere, so... zero?

[cursive sigil]

same

[marble jewel]

Age is just a measure of radioactive material

[rotund violet]

Actually, by that logic an air-cooled would age much faster. You could math it out in terms of airflow and volume of the case.

(Although I thought it was obvious that I wasn't serious)

[crystal wren]

It was, I was playing along.

[cursive sigil]

it was

[cinder karma]

I have a seven year old laptop

[safe dragon]

my laptop is 10 years old

though I am in the middle of replacing it

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/ha-sarcastic-laugh-toy-story-gif-26476560

This is my laptop

It's pretty old

[dusty pollen]

9th is still so new! what are we on now, anyway

9th is 2018!

[dusty pollen]

to be fair I have no bottlenecks

it's really more of an all-around clog...

[marble jewel]

The bottleneck is trying to drink the ocean from a straw

[dusty pollen]

exactly!

how do you figure out what the bottleneck is when you're running ff14 on a core i3 gen 5 with 8gb ram and no gpu...

[cursive sigil]

the bottleneck is the friends you made along the way

[dusty pollen]

(to all ye skeptics, it runs at 12 fps in the in-game menu so technically it does run)

[marble jewel]

Nothing wrong with your games being a powerpoint presentation

[dusty pollen]

that's what I've been saying!

[cinder karma]

I mean

My bank's web page runs like shit because they don't have good web devs

But the data doesn't update every second anyways

[dusty pollen]

well anyone can make specific apps run like ass

true talent is making them uniformly run like ass

(managed to boot up said laptop to look at the specs - i3 5005U with 8GB RAM)

(looks like it's 2×4GiB DDR3 1600MHz)

[safe dragon]

don't need to figure anything out there. No gpu of any kind would be quite the bottleneck

[dusty pollen]

exactly

this sticker implies a level of pride that I'm not sure is warranted...

[safe dragon]

tyring to run ff14 using software rendering would be rough on any system

[dusty pollen]

well this is the little laptop that could

[safe dragon]

though I imagine it simply wouldn't work

[dusty pollen]

it does work! on Linux

[safe dragon]

(I know you mean integrated graphics not literally no gpu)

[dusty pollen]

oh god it's so late that I didn't even catch what you were getting at

but yes, integrated graphics

[crystal wren]

I also thought we were literally talking about software software rendering.

[rain apex]

Just get a i7 sticker

Ez upgrade

[safe dragon]

I have one

[marble jewel]

You can do AAA gaming on that... in the cloud....

[safe dragon]

I'll get u my 10 year old i7 sticker

[dusty pollen]

no guys it's fine it has these for speed

[safe dragon]

the gradient in the top left honestly feels like it was pasted into the photo

[dusty pollen]

that's because it was

[cursive sigil]

wait it wasn't??

oh ok good

[safe dragon]

oh ok

good I may be sick and going insane but not quite that bad yet

[dusty pollen]

it's hiding two stickers that are both information that you guys already know but also still felt weird to share

[marble jewel]

You must get a lot of GBs out of that thing
(writing like how tech talk is portrayed in movies and television)

[safe dragon]

your exact address and ssn as stickers on your laptop

[dusty pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/hack-hacker-computer-gif-3899102

[safe dragon]

God I watched that scene live as it aired not knowing what awaited me

[cursive sigil]

is this the tech version of that one pottery scene from ghost

[dusty pollen]

this is still my favourite Hollywood Does Computers scene I've ever seen

[marble jewel]

That one is tied with the famous Jurassic Park scene

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-i-know-this-unix-system-gif-14433570

[dusty pollen]

me looking at an android phone:

[marble jewel]

That's some good looking Unix right there

[safe dragon]

it's no exaggeration to say that this scene was the catalyst for my mom, sister and I to stop watching this series

there's a similar case in Bones where a "hacker" programs a virus into a bone that then takes over their entire system after scanning the bone

it was such bullshit that it was hard to continue

[dusty pollen]

my only similar story is that there's this detective show my mum watches called Death in Paradise and one time they had a power outage so the main character's laptop turned off

[safe dragon]

I love death in paradise it's excused

my laptop doesn't have a functioning battery so I can relate

[dusty pollen]

his laptop wasn't plugged in though

it's a good show though. And that was one of the better detectives (I think he's probably my favourite out of the ones I've seen?)

[safe dragon]

it's still airing

[marble jewel]

I like how in movies when people want to destroy phones or other devices, they mostly just crack the screen

Like all the info is recoverable, and as long as there is power it may still be tracking you

[safe dragon]

my mom still watches death in paradise every week

[dusty pollen]

yeah, but the most recent episode I've watched was right when they were switching detectives so idk who the current one is

does she watch the spinoffs? the one in the UK is alright but the one in Australia was unbearable

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-stiller-confused-owen-wilson-dont-know-how-to-use-computer-zoolander-gif-3132159827780255233

[safe dragon]

she does watch beyond paradise too yes though I wasn't aware there even was an Australian one

[sand frost]

what a nostalgic computer

[dusty pollen]

it's... bad

[sand frost]

we had one in teal

[marble jewel]

They don't make em like they used to

Everything is boring metallic colors now

[sand frost]

though i never uh, smacked it like that

whatevrer it is they are doing

that is not the thing to do

[dusty pollen]

it's weird how these computers came BEFORE some of the beige ones it feels like they should have come after

[sand frost]

I survived teaching a whole class on differential equations today and it feels like braving the gauntlet

[dusty pollen]

it's called Return to Paradise and we hated every minute of the first episode lmao

[sand frost]

everyone survived derivatives

all we did was derivation for like a solid hour

[marble jewel]

Another tech joke that didn't age well was they all had tiny phone, but phones trended in the other direction

[sand frost]

i wish phones went tiny

[dusty pollen]

differential equations, aka "the thing I managed to avoid by refusing to touch applied maths with a ten foot pole"

[sand frost]

i have decent vision and small hands

the perfect combo for tiny phone

[sand frost]

pretty sure i could have gotten you on board with today! we went slowly and took a lot of deep breaths

[marble jewel]

Phones need to get smaller, or pockets need to get larger

[sand frost]

women's pockets

[dusty pollen]

oh you misunderstand, it's not that I can't understand them, it's that I refuse to deal with them

[sand frost]

hahaha

[marble jewel]

Women's pockets are like big foot or nessie

[sand frost]

i could wave the diffeq in your general direction

[dusty pollen]

they're too finicky. and involve actual numbers? in maths? no thank you

[sand frost]

lots of today was done in the general case! using variables!

we only plugged in numbers at the end

[sand frost]

most of my pants have them, they just are tinnnnnnny

[dusty pollen]

I prefer my numbers in the form ∅, {∅}, and so on

if at all

[marble jewel]

What is this!? a pocket for ants?

[safe dragon]

do we also have a big foot but tiny

[marble jewel]

Okay, last Zoolander joke, I promise

That's three in a short time, I've met my quota

[sand frost]

minifoot

[sand frost]

i think my students would panic in a new and different way if i went down this track...

[cursive sigil]

hobbits

[safe dragon]

numbers are good. Math needs more of them instead of of exhausting every symbol they can find

[marble jewel]

After you run out of greek alphabet, you're allowed to start using emoji

New maths be like 😘 = X + Y

[safe dragon]

I remember learning differential equations, being faced with dx and du and shit and I had no idea what was going on so I just learnt to solve the actual equation while still having no idea what the dx meant

I just learnt my tricks

Just put a dx in that one spot

I meant integration it seems

no idea what the dx is doing at the end of the funky formula but it's there

[marble jewel]

It's just the limit of triangle x / triangle y as triangle x approaches zero

[safe dragon]

oh no why are there triangles now

[marble jewel]

greek delta

[safe dragon]

I do know that triangle

[marble jewel]

I learned all of that only to forget it mostly after

[safe dragon]

I remember us skipping the chapter on limits at school so I still don't really know what that one was about

[marble jewel]

I vaguely remember the concepts, but there's no way I would be able to apply it

[cursive sigil]

i have vague memories of highschool stuff but everything i did at uni is just gone

[safe dragon]

you'd think it'd be the other way around

[cursive sigil]

you'd think

[marble jewel]

Uni = too much booze

[sand frost]

dx is a tiny tiny tiny distance

[safe dragon]

the d stands for tiny

[marble jewel]

"infinitesimally small"

[sand frost]

in an intergral, it means you're deciding to deal with the equation one tiny chunk at a time

[cursive sigil]

tbf in highschool i had to care for all the math because i needed to take an exam from all of it at the end

in uni i just needed it to pass the exam at the end of each semester

[sand frost]

if you want to find the area under the curve (integral), you look at many small slices

every slice is "easy" because it looks like a rectangle if you squint

[safe dragon]

I learnt that's how my calculator did it

[sand frost]

I have been trying very hard to get my students to internalize that an integral is the area under a curve

and the slope is the derivative

[safe dragon]

ah well I got that much thankfully

[sand frost]

once you get that much I feel like you're doing alright

[safe dragon]

though the English terminology will always mess me up

[marble jewel]

My math classes went into the discovery of various maths, and those resonated well with me

Deriving why that worked

[sand frost]

Yeah, most of what I did today isn't what I'll test them on — I want them to know where the magic equations come from

and then how to use them is what I test them on

and assign homework on

[marble jewel]

I think having learned them, I get a free pass to use technology to do the math for me now. I can't imagine what teaching kids would be like nowadays. They used to say that you won't be walking around carrying a calculator everywhere you go, but here we are now

[sand frost]

You still have to know what to plug in to the calculator

[safe dragon]

my mom worked as a math teacher so I always had some pride on the line to at least be alright at it

[sand frost]

I do also regularly mention that a number is wrong because it's the totally wrong order of magnitude

[marble jewel]

Like, I'm carrying around technology in my pocket more advanced than what brought us to the moon

[sand frost]

like if they tell me their little device will hop 0.0000001 m I will tell them to redo the calculation

or 100000 m same deal

[marble jewel]

Wolfram Alpha is pretty good at calculating answers in the way you'd expect them to be for solving math equations

[sand frost]

I use wolfram alpha to check my units sometimes

but we also go over checking the units on stuff in class

[safe dragon]

it took me an embarrassing number of years to realize that the English term "an order of magnitude" actually means something beyond "a lot" and actually a power of 10

[sand frost]

it's a wonky phrase

[marble jewel]

It took me an embarrasingly long time to realize that the phrase is Prima Donna and not Pre-Madonna

[sand frost]

it's very easy to be 10^6 or 10^-6 off if you convert meters to millimeters or kilograms to grams wrong twice

or one of each

[safe dragon]

oh that one also took me a long time. I thought the song was implying life was very different before madonna somehow and never questioned it

[cursive sigil]

How old are your students?

[marble jewel]

You may or may not be surprised at how much unit conversions trip people up with real world impacts. I have to call people on basic failed sanity checks, like money fields showing trillions of dollars discrepancies because of decimal place errors.

[sand frost]

college-age

[sand frost]

not surprised, on a crusade to push the needle just a bit further in favor of checking....

[cursive sigil]

Schooling is different in many places that's why i was asking age

[safe dragon]

and you don't even deal with the problem we have where the meanings of . and , are flipped between Dutch and English and since excel is locale sensitive you will sometimes just have it interpret your numbers wrong cause someone who opened it had their excel set to a different culture

[sand frost]

oh that's terrible

[safe dragon]

I hate excel almost entirely because of that one thing

[cursive sigil]

Oh yes this was horrible to get used to

[cinder karma]

This is why I love wolfram

I'm pretty bad at basic math sometimes

I just have a strong engineering instinct

And can catch off by orders of magnitude, etc

[rotund violet]

My thing is remembering to do the conversion but doing it in the wrong direction.

[cinder karma]

I should teach how I expand the pockets of my clothing

All my pockets be like that now

[rotund violet]

(Most hated conversion is probably between milliseconds and microseconds.)

[marble jewel]

Whenever I did any of those kind of conversions, I'd always write out the "milli-unit to unit" and "unit to micro-unit" steps even though there's some redundancy built into those calculations.

It was the way that I felt like I couldn't get it wrong

[rotund violet]

I think it is just the fact that very small units of time are meaningless numbers to human intuition. 15 ms and 15 us both just sound like "very fast", even though one of them actually means missing a frame.

Obviously the conversion is very simple, but the number of times I've divided ms by 1000, or multiplied us by 1000...

[cinder karma]

It's weird because my limescale are pretty fucked

Timescale

To me, a us is eternity

A ns is already pretty long

A ms....we don't even talk ms

In the same way, a um is decently big. A mm is giant.

[rotund violet]

Sure, these have whatever meaning in context, but you're fighting your instincts.

[marble jewel]

tbh anything involving mini, micro, nano, deca, or whatever is pretty clear cut to me. I get annoyed converting between disparate units

Like metric to imperial

[cinder karma]

I mean, I don't instinct think time anymore at that point tbh

Just....lines on an oscilloscope

So it doesn't feel....long in time, but long in distance? Does that make sense?

[sand frost]

there's some times when like i do understand why no pockets bc like there is physically no space for pocket items

[sand frost]

in distances, i definitely know a um from a mm from a nm

ms and us i can get being confused

[rotund violet]

Yeah, a mm is something you can actually see, and a nm is something you can't see.

But we can't actually perceive either a millisecond or a microsecond (or a nanosecond, obviously).

[dusty pollen]

after Greek, we started rotating letters and also double-striking them for some reason... honestly atp emojis don't seem that far fetched

[dusty pollen]

is this at university level? for me I swear that was secondary school

[safe dragon]

same here... I mean I didn't have math classes in university

[dusty pollen]

I once wore down the pockets of a coat that had them in the lining and ended up having the entire coat serve as a pocket

[dusty pollen]

this is part of why I always think we would have been better off using permille than percent, people treat 1% like it's 1/1000 because it seems obvious that it's very small, when 1/100 is actually a fairly big amount

[safe dragon]

luckily if it's to do with probability we're terrible at it regardless of numbering system

[dusty pollen]

whereas 1‰ is pretty small

I think of it in terms of my secondary school sometimes, if something was true for 1% of the population there would have been approx 15 girls like that in the lower school alone, but if something was true for 1‰ there would have been either one or two

[dusty pollen]

the human intuition that everything is 50/50 is hilarious sometimes

[safe dragon]

you either get it or you don't...

[sand frost]

Yes, but I have students from a wide range of majors, some of whom either didn’t get much calculus or were doing zoom classes then

This isn’t the primary educational objective, but things like calculating work as integral of Fdx is impossible without it

[dusty pollen]

I wish all my professors cared about teaching as much as you clearly do there was one who I always thought was notable for how much she cared but she unfortunately passed away a few years ago and there were honestly very few others who showed the level of passion/commitment to teaching that you’re showing rn

(if you want to look her up, her name was Vicky Neale)

[sand frost]

I feel like part of it is that I ended up somewhere that cares a lot about teaching collectively. Being around that all the time is encouraging to keep trying to be better.

[dusty pollen]

that's really reassuring to hear! I love hearing about unis that care in this way

I got a taste of what it's like when people don't and it gave me so much respect for those of you that do

[safe dragon]

my uni had everything from people who were really passionate about teaching to people who just wanted to do research but were forced to gives a few classes

[dusty pollen]

my uni was mostly the latter and people who were passionate about their (specialised) subject enough to teach it but not enough to be any good at teaching it. There were a handful of passionate professors in each of my departments (maths and CS) but it doesn't help that passion doesn't always take you in the correct direction... in my experience the maths institute was much better though

the cs institute was so bad in terms of only having those two types of lecturers that one of the fundamental year 1 courses was infamous for getting a new lecturer every year who never gave a single shit, reused previous incorrect slides, and then noped tf out at the end of the year, because since it was a very foundational course, nobody specialises in it so literally nobody cared enough to teach it

and by foundational I of course mean the Design and Analysis of Algorithms course, which is that uni's version of Introduction to Algorithms and Data Structures

[safe dragon]

my algorithms professor was some guy who was really passionate about linear programming and building solvers

[cinder karma]

Someone told chatgpt to be super nice when given suggestions recently

It's weird

I've been asking it to do stupid simple python scripts, then asking it to add argparse support (because I'm a lazy fucker who can't remember the details of the argparse api)

And every time I say something it says "Nice suggestion! Using argparse's built in X support is clean and..."

Me: "type annotations please"
Chatgpt: "Absolutely! Type annotations make code more maintainable in the future...."

[rotund violet]

Grok is probably going to come out ahead, long term. I don't know if it does code or can do the specific things you want, but the company behind it is considerably less deluded and insane.

[marble jewel]

I'm so incredibly annoyed at work. They want everyone to return to the office, but at the same time they can't afford to assign me a permanent seat. So I have to search for a "hotel" seat every day, and the state of some of these are just ridiculous. Today my desk is covered in food debris. Like wtf.

[ivory shadow]

Good luck finding a new job cause that shit sounds ridiculous

[marble jewel]

Like if I'm going into the office 5 days a week, then there's absolutely no reason why they can't reserve a seat for me.

[ivory shadow]

I want to say something like "Being attached to offices is stupid anyways, since that means they have to pay for upkeep for the office" but clearly they aren't doing that part very well if the desks aren't even clean

[rotund violet]

Hoteling was a fad in the 90s that went out of style even faster than the open concept floor plan. I'd definitely flip the bird to any company trying to bring it back. May as well insist on a uniform of parachute pants and a flannel shirt.

[marble jewel]

I really should look for a new job, but I just lack the confidence to go from a relatively secure position to a less certain one

[rotund violet]

Abusive management practices depend on employees being doormats.

If you've got halfway decent coding and linux sysadmin skills then you can work almost anywhere.

[marble jewel]

All of my sysadmin stuff is as a hobbyist, so I feel like anywhere I go, I'd have to start from the bottom, which itself isn't the problem, but I think I'd struggle to replace my current salary

[rotund violet]

Almost everyone who leaves a tech company picks up a bigger salary when they move - that's how they get to a bigger salary. But if you're making anything that's even remotely typical of big tech, what does it even matter if you take a small pay cut?

[pliant snow]

...twitter?

[marble jewel]

Maybe after my mortgage refinance is complete, it'll give me some more wiggle room in my budget to absorb a possible dip

[marble jewel]

What's twitter? Do you mean X? /s

[rotund violet]

Obviously I don't know your personal situation. But I worked with so many who complained that they weren't making enough, or everything cost too much, or that they couldn't afford this or that, and the truth was that they just didn't put the effort into managing their finances or controlling their spending.

Typical tech position pays far more than typical tech worker needs to live and retire early.

[marble jewel]

My finances are very well-balanced, and being able to maximize my investments towards an early retirement is part of my planned budget

Although all of that kind of broke this week anyway

[rotund violet]

If you can't absorb dips in the market, not that well balanced. I mean, you can choose to take the risk of 100% stock market exposure, knowing that you're still working and can technically recover if you get completely or partially wiped out. But then that means, well, you're stuck working, and often stuck working at your current possibly-shitty job.

I made "having fuck-you money" a priority since I was about 25.

[ivory shadow]

Think I'm going to finally order a laptop today. And the prices in the configurator are kind of... more of a ripoff than I thought they'd be. I wonder if that's tariff related? $80 for a 2x8GB ram kit that I can get for $40 elsewhere. $100 for a NVMe drive that's $70 elsewhere. (For that matter, I'd go with a cheaper NVMe and not that specific model, for my intended use for the laptop.)

[marble jewel]

I doubt anyone wasn't impacted by the market this week given the economy as a whole lost trillions in value. It doesn't matter if you're poor or a billionaire, you were "impacted"

[rain apex]

Can u just get the case and mobo then

That is the point isn't it

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, you can order with no ram, storage, OS, and power supply.

Which is good. I don't need 180W of charging when I'm not even going to grab a dGPU for it.

[marble jewel]

The problem with tariff-related pricing is that they'll react quickly to dips, but drag their feet to recoveries, so it's probable that some parts still have their costs adjusted

[rain apex]

When i got my framework i did actually just get everything through them except for charger

[ivory shadow]

Definitely not getting their charger.