Frieza (First Form)

[steep fulcrum]

That's annoying against someone impatient

[slender zodiac]

the only thing is I feel like you want both the minions asap

[steep fulcrum]

No yea, you want both asap but I meant the skill priority

[slender zodiac]

for levelling? Doesn't Imperical Decree only increase in radius

[steep fulcrum]

For me, I just increase 3 instead of 2 if my teammate is also in sync with me

Just because I have a phobia of needing to do everything myself with frieza in which you can def do

But yea zarbon dodoria prio for those big aoe damage/stagger

[slender zodiac]

I've been getting Zarbon -> Dodoria -> Dodoria -> Super Nova ? Imperial Decree as my starting levels

[steep fulcrum]

Hmm prio dodoria huh, I kinda wanna test that but I prio zarbon

[slender zodiac]

yea I did Zarbon originally first too

I felt Dodoria's increase at Level 1 vs 2 compared to Zarbon's was greater

though this is purely vibes

I havent actually tested it

[steep fulcrum]

I'll be testing it later

[slender zodiac]

also if when you level the skills the minions get more HP I feel like Dodoria is at the higher risk of dying most of the time

though he is annoying to hit

[steep fulcrum]

If only they added in s1 patch note that they'll add detailed descriptions with scaling and stuff to characters' kit

[arctic grove]

Zarbon is more reliable damage due to his area of affect, imo

[steep fulcrum]

Dodoria has better value overall but zarbon is better as a turret

But to answer your question, dodoria lvl 2 better than zarbon lvl 2

Zarbon has the same aoe range from basically all levels while dodoria increases

If only zarbon's upgrade was like this, singular blast ofc at lvl 1 with slow range increase, lvl 2 slightly faster increase and deals multiple blasts at intervals (like frieza/ranged characters), lvl 3 as the current beam but almost instant if not an instant max distance range

[steep fulcrum]

Btw it's based on frieza's hp but dodoria has a higher hp than zarbon

[slender zodiac]

yea wasnt sure on that

[steep fulcrum]

This is what I wanted them to do but I'll give them time

Like how much do they scale with frieza's health

If upgrading the skill increases the health, by how much if yes

Things like that

[winged bough]

Freza can carry... his carry is different than the typical type of carry. He allows your team to go in with a massive advantage and take towers safely. If you play frieza right it carries

Takes objectives the best.
Defends the best

The issue is most of the player base aren't going to like frieza playstyle. It's a mind set character, that most players don't have.

There's patch notes for next season already?

[steep fulcrum]

#📰game-news message

[bold haven]

Today

Also will show what they will add

I think

8pm PT

[sly kestrel]

Jungle bosses found shot and dead after season 1 patch notes hit

[remote tangle]

Can't wait for frieza to be a must have tech on every team in season. Frieza mains unite!

[steep fulcrum]

A must have? Idk but def a good tech

[remote tangle]

He's already a good tech rn, that's the thing he's going from good to great

He's going to be even worse of a boss killer now

[steep fulcrum]

That's what I said... A good tech but not a must have

[winged bough]

Hes already good... just going to be better. If you couldnt use him now nothing is going to change

[turbid wolf]

Can you post

[winged bough]

I was trying to post my WS with him too but this thread doesnt allow media

[remote tangle]

Gekihigh boss hunter backstab frieza is such cheese

He is the objective getter

[late jasper]

Send me a DM, gladly

[late jasper]

He and I went over it, was a pleasant conversation

[slim night]

anyone know a good build?

[remote tangle]

@slim night this

[slim night]

then idk what im doing wrong, i go for bosses the towers get dove and i get flamed, i stay on tower but bosses get taken and i get flamed, do i just stop playing frieza?

[winged bough]

Personally I don't think most people should play frieza. 99% are going to bad at this character. There's to much moving parts and decision making that most aren't ready for. ESPECIALLY if you lack moba experience

[slim night]

I also dont know what rank is 'average/mid' rank as well

[remote tangle]

C

[steep fulcrum]

Frieza needs a proper teammate not character to compliment is stage control playstyle, you can't stay on tower and you need to roam around because of his passive

Idk how you get flamed on a game that currently has no chat option rn or by flamed you mean getting jumped then, that should happen less just because of your passive yea

Frieza is the technical character where you need to keep a lot of things in check, it's hard yeah but when you can finally do it on a consistent level, players can't take down towers with you in charge

Also, they can't stop you from taking down towers so yea which is a pretty big deal

[slim night]

the old mass ping (important {user}) spam, i know that too well

yup

[steep fulcrum]

But yea, I'll just recommend people to use tech chars other than him

Just because he's not the same archetype as the others where you can just go head to head close range mashing buttons and hope you win typa character

[winged bough]

Guys he's arguably the hardest character to use in the game currently.

If you're not okay with taking time and learning him or

your looking to get kills or

this is your first moba he's not the character for you.

[brittle mason]

second behind Hit yeah

[hallow dew]

I understand it now

[opaque harbor]

Tbh if anything frieza feels extremely easy to use

I've been able to dominate games as him despite not being all THAT good.

When it comes down to it you kinda wanna play frieza as a soft zoner or just always try and force fights with zarbon and decree

Least from what i've experienced

[hallow dew]

He's not a easy unit to use. He's def a high skill unit.

[brittle mason]

Im confused how does Hit counter Frieza in any way

[opaque harbor]

He ignores his minions with invis

I'd assume

And also just blinding in general

[brittle mason]

Yeah but Hit counters squishy so I would say Frieza is a victim

[steep fulcrum]

It's a 50/50 tbh

[brittle mason]

Yeah a high level Hit cooked me

Levels will give the advantage I suppose

[steep fulcrum]

And a good frieza will not let you go the sneaky tower takedown

[brittle mason]

I was able to defend just not do anything else

Since Hit could just hit me from basically anywhere

Im guessing higher level Frieza can run better though

[steep fulcrum]

Hmm interesting, I was thinking he could just put dodoria around the size of the platform so he can't defend/takedown towers

Cuz that's what I would've done

Use zarbon too ig but dodoria can get the job done by himself

[brittle mason]

yeah was able to do that

since they hit through Stealth

[opaque harbor]

They do???

[vapid sorrel]

Do y'all have any ideas on characters that go well w frieza

Or like frieza supporting them atleast

[slender zodiac]

Preferrably an Attacker with a decent amount of health if I had to guess

probably also melee so they can help cover each other

Have you heard of the best character in the game called Super Saiyan Goku

[twin egret]

shoutout to the people who suggested solid barrier for card 2. feels quite good on freeza

[slender zodiac]

yea it's really good

you try to avoid getting hit a lot, and are not in the thick of the action often so you have it up most of the time

[autumn sable]

Haven't play Frieza for a while,

Hey @drifting nexus wdyt of his Buff? Is it good?

[drifting nexus]

It's just a slight boost on HP

But the -10 seconds cooldown on Ultimate are good. You feel it

[autumn sable]

Damn

His Ult even faster now

[arctic grove]

Where are you seeing a change to his hp and ult? Or are we referring to older buffs?
I am looking forward to the zarbon and skill 3 buffs

[steep fulcrum]

They're referring to old buffs yes

But I think sarden was asking abt the new ones

[jolly oar]

What should be my lvl up order as Frieza?

Also just fought the most annoying Krillin to ever walk the face of this earth, I hate him

[steep fulcrum]

Dodoria prio, next is zarbon, then decree last

Dodoria is just too good

Sure he doesn't have that big of a range but that cc tho

When used effectively, is annoying

[jolly oar]

Okay, is decree actually helpful? Idk how long it lasts

[jolly oar]

oh and what cards?

[steep fulcrum]

Decree is helpful to make your zarbon/dodoria's attack interval much faster on top of the movement speed boost

[steep fulcrum]

You can go full blue, the run away, art of decoy, lbj

Or you can go for a slightly tanky tier 2 green (either the strike def or the energy def depending on enemy lineup)

[jolly oar]

Ah okay, I have his 'Cue The Invasion' starter animation so that means I have to use him

[steep fulcrum]

[jolly oar]

😂

[arctic grove]

I personally prefer rushing zarbon for area of control. Dodoria is so limited in his range that I think it is honestly fine to just level him slower.
Zarbon with decree can melt a health bar. And soon it is gonna get buffed.
I like using him functionally as artillery that just suppresses an entire lane

[jolly oar]

Mm, I'll try both and see what sticks

[jolly oar]

what cards do you use

and uhh is there an order you go? like 1,3,2,1,2

idk

[twin egret]

i'm really torn on prioritizing dodoria vs. zarbon at this point honestly

[brittle mason]

I go for Zarbon since Dodoria doesn't need the high levels to cook

[twin egret]

that's normally my thought process as well, but lately i've been kind of partial to maxing dodoria first on super start

he is surprisingly good secure for contested farm in the early game

[brittle mason]

Dodoria?

[twin egret]

yeah

[brittle mason]

damn

I thought he would be bad since he knocks them away

[twin egret]

it's situational really

zarbon works too but dodoria can be used to push farm away from the enemies too, or otherwise push back the enemies in addition to the farm to throw off their own secure

idk. this is mostly just a gut thing but his immediate damage feels chunkier than zarbon's

and his lower range means it's easier to target specific farm with him

zarbon by contrast is a little slower to throw out, though the upcoming s1 patch sounds like it'll change that

[stone zodiac]

Yo what skill order cards do you guys use? (A ranks)

[steep fulcrum]

If you're already playing at a high level, you don't need to ask for combos as we can just adjust on the fly depending on enemy lineup/current situation

[stone zodiac]

Any S frieza mains?

[remote tangle]

I'm a mid A if it counts for anything

[stone zodiac]

Nice

[pastel wasp]

this character is an absolute goddamm boss shredder

thats how youre supposed to play him imo. use the speed and control to bully lane then snowball into taking whatever boss/camp you can

[stone zodiac]

How do you "bully lane" on frieza?

[remote tangle]

geki high epic hunter backstab

[stone zodiac]

Lol how does that win lane? Geki is useless on Frieza

[remote tangle]

How is it useless??

[stone zodiac]

He has no abilities to use?

Why would you run that

Maybe ig if you dont place dadoria

Ill try that build

@remote tangle You max zarbon or dodoria first?

[remote tangle]

ZARBON

[remote tangle]

You don't try and damage while you have minions out, also decree

[stone zodiac]

Bro ill give your build a shot later. Sounds interesting for sure

Backstab though?

Does that even proc

@remote tangle

[remote tangle]

Proc?

[stone zodiac]

Backstep. Dont you need be invis

[remote tangle]

Nope if zarbon and dodoria and out and you aren't near by it still gets triggered

[stone zodiac]

Thats cool but i dont get it. You wont get any cool down reduction no? Because you have them out

[remote tangle]

You do hold the cooldown reduction for the next time you lose one or put one away

[stone zodiac]

Just saw its pretty cool

[bronze goblet]

It’s always worth to send them back right before they die in my opinion because they take forever to come back. The little extra damage isn’t worth it

[autumn sable]

Proc mean trigger

@stone zodiac must be League player

[stone zodiac]

Is it possible to carry really bad people solo q as a supp? I seem to struggle when you get a bot dps. You can't farm enough or play good enough it seems.

[steep fulcrum]

Wtf copypaste

[arctic grove]

I'm glad people are starting to realize just how good Zarbon is. You can just zone sooooo well

[stone zodiac]

Until 1 ability from goku/kale/piccolo ☠️

[steep fulcrum]

If you're placing zarbon/dodoria to the point where they could be easily killed, that ain't how you play him

If you know they gonna be killed or no use in keeping them on the field, just let them retreat

Saves the time of waiting too much

Let's say one of them gets killed, don't deploy another one if again you know they gonna die

Cuz you're crippling yourself atp

Why are you even playing frieza and could've chosen other tech

[stone zodiac]

I mean you can place them whereever you want but they still get 1 hit

Anyone use snowball on frieza?

[arctic grove]

The cost for them to do that may absolutely not be worth it though. Like if they have to take 3-4 zarbon hits to then use an ability to KO it... Then cool, lol. They're probably in a bad spot now

I've started using snowball on Frieza. His ult is really good for getting those stacks, and he can really eliminate people.

When decree gets buffed.. maaaaan

[stone zodiac]

Snowball into giantslayer or the boss dmg?

Ye man i love frieza

[arctic grove]

It just depends. Idk, I'm between a few builds atm. Once you understand friezas strengths... He's so good. You MELT bosses.

Against GODs you don't usually hit them (minion CDs are bad), but you can zone people off of them for your team to take them.
But what you excel at is taking bosses.

Also possibly worth it to take gekishin High to use your Ult for GODs and just focus on teamwide buffs

[remote tangle]

Snowball should be more viable after the decreee buffs

[pastel wasp]

You have to be very active with your retreats imo, sometimes you can't avoid losing zarbon but losing dodoria turns you into dps food so you gotta know when to fold em

[steep fulcrum]

Yea dodoria is your only get off me move if they caught up with you

[pastel wasp]

Even then if zarbon is maxxed out you should do everything in your power to make sure you don't lose him in anything but team fights because the amount of objective control you can have just by having zarbon off cooldown is huge

I'd say frieza can melt bosses faster than any other character. Imperial Decree boosts the dps of both your summons to the point where you can steal any boss in under 10 seconds if they're maxxed

[remote tangle]

That's what scares me about decree buffs he gonna cut that time down even more once the new season starts

[pastel wasp]

Yeah maybe this will lead to Frieza getting nerfed NEXT next season if the buffs do too well

It helps that he's a hard character though

[stone zodiac]

How do yall play zarbon at the start of game? In the corner to contest the xp minion or put him in the middle near the bushes?

[remote tangle]

Corner, I get the middle farm around 75% of the time

[stone zodiac]

Ye bro thats what i been doing seems best start

[stone zodiac]

How do I do double the dmg my dps in ranked. Impossible to climb

[remote tangle]

Why damage?

[stone zodiac]

Dmg to heroes

Double on frieza to goku and piccolo

Lol

[remote tangle]

So you're doing more on frieza then attackers?

[stone zodiac]

Ye i dunno man im playing switch 30 fps vs pc players.

[winged bough]

If your trying to get kills on frieza you're playing him wrong

[stone zodiac]

Im playing him normally. Its the players i get 🤣

[arctic grove]

But it's only if he does it uncontested. It's pretty easy to stop him, but you have to know what he's doing

[remote tangle]

If he kills the boss before you get to it he'll be plenty uncontested

[arctic grove]

I mean if the boss is spawned and you aren't checking it on occasion while in lane... Then 🤷‍♂️

But conversely, if his biggest strength is that he adds pressure that you have to check MORE often... I like that.

And you can kinda see it coming because he'll have no minions farming/pressuring lane, and will be missing. It'll be kinda obvious lol

[ember dune]

I never even considered using Zarbon between the rocks up top to catch all the npcs

Ive mainly been using him to help secure bosses with zarbon and swapping out the escape artist level 1 blue card for the gekishin burst card late to snake undefended gods of destruction

Frieza's speed makes him a great rat lmao

I also agree that he only feels really really good picking on a super start match, otherwise early he's kinda lackluster

[arctic grove]

Everyone feels good on super start, so I wouldn't make that comparison too strongly.

But it is super fun with him

[arctic grove]

So they walked back the bonus damage and buffed other parts of his kit.
The Zarbon cool down is nice

[arctic grove]

Man, that zarbon CD reduction is honestly stellar. Being able to use gekishin burst with him more reliably is sweet

[slender zodiac]

yea its super fast

[buoyant bobcat]

Season 1 Details:

S1: Show them, Zarbon! (Buff)

• -10s Cooldown (30s to 20s)
• Increased Cooldown reduction based on Zarbon's remaining HP upon retreat (60-40% to 80-40%)
• -2s Time needed to reach max range (5s to 3s)
• -50 Strike Defense Down effect applied to enemies (100 to 50)

S3: Imperial Decree (Buff)

• +50% Boost speed when Dodoria is enhanced (200% to 250%)
• +20% Attack interval reduction when Zarbon is enhanced (40% to 60%)

[steep fulcrum]

Damn you from asia we should play together sometime

[frank mauve]

So frieza is finally okay now right

I can finally use him for something other than backdooring?

[brisk hazel]

I’m wondering the same. I like the buffs, but also he’s one of the few characters that doesn’t have much in his kit to mitigate an opposing ssj3 (only push them away with Dodoria). Most other supports can stun/blind him while your team bursts him down. That’s only really a concern if ssj3 becomes a problem, though, which initial thought is he’s not actually a problem.

[arctic grove]

Yea honestly my games with him today felt really nice. Zarbon with decree just melts people

And yea, you can steal bosses even faster now lol. I dip out of lane for 2 seconds and suddenly we have 16 lol

The lower CD on zarbon also let's you use him to clear waves otw to lane and then still be able to throw him down to pressure as soon as you arrive, which is amazing

[frank mauve]

Yeah the CD buff being so massive makes me actually want to try him out , I remember playing him for 3 games nad just seeing like 30 second death timers on z+d and just being so deflated

[arctic grove]

It's honestly a strong buff. When I saw that I was like "yessssss"

You can actually push a tower with him now without a 30 second CD lol

[frank mauve]

Gekishin burst actually let's him one cycle tier 2s probably

Much faster*

[bold haven]

I tried frieza after buff got MVP

Maybe now its better to take not all blue cards?

[little badge]

HAHAHAH WHAT

ARE THEY STUPID???

THEY BUFFED FRIEZA AGAIN

LMFAOOO

as soon as these exams are over mfs are COOKED

[buoyant bobcat]

Yeah, you could take Super Snowball on him now and watch at the back as Zarbon melt people while safekeeping Zarbon with Dodoria

[stone zodiac]

Bro frieza feels nutty af right now

Zarbon is always up and snowball giantslayer hurts

[frank mauve]

You can finally join fights with him now..

[winged bough]

okay yea frieza doesnt need toi be touched anymore

Now devs please touch buu

I only turned into a frieza main because buu is very weak

but I want to use my buu

[buoyant bobcat]

Bro needs to learn how to phrase his words

And Buu seems fine imo

[winged bough]

https://tenor.com/view/gülmek-komik-gif-12950352696137374051

[winged bough]

hes fine lane phase and gets useless as the match progresses

[bold haven]

Snowball and other 2 what you use?

[frank mauve]

Buu is worthless pick

[buoyant bobcat]

Giant Slayer, Limit-Breaking Jump

[frank mauve]

You do goof first fight then past 5 hes a rock

[little badge]

really? ive had some great buu allies in the past

their heals have been a carry and some of them got mvps too

[bold haven]

Ok will try it thanks ❤️

[frank mauve]

His stats are way too low

Healing needs buffed i like his kit but

[bold haven]

Picolo is bad after buff even

[frank mauve]

His healing laye game feels mad pointless

[little badge]

??

dang

i thought ppl were saying hes great

[bold haven]

I tried him or idk how to play it or he is bad 🤷‍♀️

[little badge]

played him a few times not my kind of character but he works great with allies

esp special beam cannon

you aint hitting anyone with it unless they in ccombat with an ally

[buoyant bobcat]

??? His Light Grenade literally hits like a truck now wtfym

[bold haven]

Had to use him to do missions and was bad expirence

[little badge]

might just not be your playstyle

he's not a selfish dps

[bold haven]

Yeah but you need good partner to use it my run all over map who know why and where they are 🤣

[steep fulcrum]

Surely you don't mean in the traditional way yea?

[little badge]

honestly i just hoped all my allies that got into fights did so in zarbons range

[frank mauve]

Well

Yeah

[little badge]

with the buffs he has now feels like its safer for me to enter too now

[frank mauve]

Im assuming that you setup prior

And your teammates move around you

You set the tempo for the fights

But its soloq so

[little badge]

yep its kind of a tossup but ive had good allies with frieza

and if not then ive atleast been able to defend in solo lane

[bold haven]

Frieza hard to play you need good control on console to order your minions on PC this could be esier

[little badge]

i play him on mobile

i keep getting mvp

[slender zodiac]

The only thing for Frieza I wish it was easier to cancel skills

[little badge]

havent played s1

but mfs are cooked

[winged bough]

I wish teamates were that intelligent

[little badge]

i just need exams to be over

[steep fulcrum]

Oh, you good then, cuz when I mean traditional way, I mean like fighting head on close range, just casting skills just in that moment

[frank mauve]

Yeah absolutely not

[little badge]

alot of my teammates liked to rush in alone so i just set up my stuff accordingly

[winged bough]

good luck, I remember those days lo.l

[buoyant bobcat]

That's just a frieza user who doesn't know how to actually use frieza

[bold haven]

I tried 1 game on phone for me game looks too small maybe on ipad this could work😅

[winged bough]

bro I hate this, a lot of players are tunnel visioned on brawling with the enemy instead of just farming and brawl when needed

[slender zodiac]

With the buffs I think getting Zarbon to level 3 ASAP is the most important

[little badge]

it feels like even if i do try to support them they start running and leaving me alone lol

so i like frieza

he's versatile for me

[winged bough]

I just wish that zarbon can attack enemies/npc behind walls lol

[slender zodiac]

In the best case scenario the cd isn't that long but the Technical cards still help a lot if they die

[buoyant bobcat]

Much more so when S1 Buff Divine Draw is up

[winged bough]

I take escape cards.... I dont think frieza needs the extra dmg

[obtuse merlin]

i take defensive ones

[winged bough]

unless its the card that does more dmg on bosses below 50%... I take that too

[obtuse merlin]

except the last one. i always take 2 vanishes

[winged bough]

ALWAYS

[buoyant bobcat]

Taking the double vanish keeps your Super Snowball stacks up if you're in a dicey situation

[obtuse merlin]

ya i think best cards is the build up (green) and then maybe the blue for the bosses one

then blue again for 2 vanish

[slender zodiac]

I'm just really not a fan of Snowball tbh. I feel like it's far to easy to just get caught by something one time then just lose all the value

[buoyant bobcat]

I mean, it's a high-risk high-reward Divine Card

I use it on units that I know can one-shot, or has a lot of ways to evade or sustain

[slender zodiac]

Like personally I don't feel like a lot of the time where I only win a fight Because I have snowball

And you only activate it if you get in a fight which ideally you shouldn't be doing too much

[obtuse merlin]

ya snowball on frieza is weird

the idea is to focus objectives as frieza

[autumn sable]

I prefer strategic escape

[arctic grove]

Build up can be pretty solid, honestly. People can be caught off gaurd by how hard you are to kill. Plus Frieza loves to farm (and new Zarbon cooks at it), so it isn't a bad call at all.
I wish your summons got any buffs you did, like defense and such.

Gekishin High, Epic Hunter, and a few of the tier 3 cards are good on him as an objective slayer. You could do the double dash or defense step, both are really good.

[stone zodiac]

@arctic grove how much defense/mitigation does build up give?

[brisk hazel]

So...played a few games with buffed Frieza today. Holy hell, he's good now. Still super squishy, but Zarbon puts in so much work now. Also, on super starts you are a boss deleter

[arctic grove]

I'm honestly not entirely sure. I should check sometime via training, but I can tell the difference when I use it or don't with a character usually

Gotta get that farm up lol.

[stone zodiac]

Bro super start goes crazy

[dry bane]

i'm lately gettin GH>solid>double vanish. Solid is just too stupid to play like a rat or free charge ultimates midfight

on top of letting me set minions in their face for 2 seconds

[twin egret]

with zarbon's cd buffs LBJ sounds like it could be more viable over backstab yeah

[dry bane]

i don't even know how backstab procs on frieza ngl tried jsut in training and is not proccing in fog even if i go into space. LBJ is doing fantastic for me

[little badge]

No idea what LBJ is but i read it as lebron james

[steep fulcrum]

I think people misunderstood backstab, it only works/procs when you hit a skill at an enemy at the first few seconds after you've been discovered

It's good for surprise burst and stuff but definitely not for frieza

If you want to immediately dodoria then sure but not zarbon

Based on how they should be used

If they want to use backstab, then they should hit with zarbon while showing their faces at the same yime

[dry bane]

no i understand it but now like how he procs it reliably

even if you put zarbon in fog in training

it doesn't activate, still its bad on him

[steep fulcrum]

Zarbon doesn't count as you (frieza) being seen by the enemy

[dry bane]

so is just autosfrom bush

yikes

basically only worth if you got both killed, they are close to a bush and let you use it for some reason

[steep fulcrum]

Instant dodoria is the only way if you want to proc backstab on frieza

Like I said, it's been misunderstood by most which is why ppl been talking about backstab frieza

[twin egret]

Lyndon B. Johnson

[brisk hazel]

Lyndon B. Johnson's limit breaking jump

[twin egret]

yeah most people don't know this but Lyndon B. Johnson was actually the pioneer of the flash step

[winged bough]

I never understood why people took BS on frieza. Hes like the only character that shouldnt get it.

[brisk hazel]

I have no clue why. I always take LBJ. Frieza’s health is so low I need the extra flash step to survive most of the end game team fights.

[autumn sable]

Guys seems Zarbon is top meta rn

[remote tangle]

I assume you mean backstab but I read it as something else lol. Backstab works because zarbon and dodoria can be in view without you being in view so you get the bonus

[winged bough]

But isn't it only effective if you retreat your minions immediately after being seen?

[remote tangle]

Tbh tho I think they changed cooldowns on frieza so backstab isn't as good as in season zero

[remote tangle]

Nope

You can store cooldown

[winged bough]

Ahhh I see

I still don't think that's his best pick though

Double dash his best option imo

[remote tangle]

It was in season zero imo but now he has better cooldowns it probably should be changed

[winged bough]

Especially mixed with the 1st card that makes you run fast when back is towards enemy

[steep fulcrum]

No it doesn't, backstab only procs after you're being seen so you can't just leave zarbon in one area and immediately get a cd reduction from afar

Zarbon doesn't count as "being seen" by the enemy

[winged bough]

Then boss destroyer for his 2nd card for objectives

All blue card for frieza imo

[remote tangle]

Isn't that pretty much what I said?

[steep fulcrum]

"without you being in view"?

[remote tangle]

I was trying to say zarbon and dadoria don't count as being seen

[steep fulcrum]

But then you say it works? I'm so confused at you rn

[remote tangle]

Yeah it does

[steep fulcrum]

It works but not in the scenario that you're thinking of

[remote tangle]

Hold up wait I get it now

[steep fulcrum]

Man

I've been saying y'all backstab frieza is hella misunderstood

[remote tangle]

Had to reread your message, you're saying it only works if frieza comes back

[steep fulcrum]

If frieza is seen by the enemy yes

So your strat isn't gonna work because frieza can't be seen to proc backstab

Unless you appear ofc then zarbon damages them

[remote tangle]

Ok yeah that's worse than I thought, I'll change my "Cheesy Freezy" build to have limit breaking most likely

[steep fulcrum]

Limit breaking is the obv answer, also because of his runaway passive

[winged bough]

So say like frieza drops minions...
Leaves
Come back then retreat minions while seen Again

He gets the cd reduction

?

[remote tangle]

Yes I think

[steep fulcrum]

It's possible but I haven't tested it out

[winged bough]

I just don't think that's the best option of card for him lol

[steep fulcrum]

Yea...

[winged bough]

My minions almost never gets killed so the cd already low

[steep fulcrum]

Which is why lbj is the card for frieza's playstyle

[winged bough]

I retreat them a lot for protection

[remote tangle]

Welp I have 100 wins with him and I'm just now learning how my build works lmao

[winged bough]

Which one is lbj again?

[winged bough]

Same

[remote tangle]

Double vanishing step

[winged bough]

Yea that's what I've always picked on him

I have over 100 wins with him too

S rank last season

I pick all blue cards

[remote tangle]

What's your tech ranking?

I'm in the top 150

[winged bough]

Run away
Boss destroyer
Lbj

[winged bough]

I haven't played much this season been on sonic

But i dropped to a2 on reset

For technical

[remote tangle]

That's like top 100 lmao

[winged bough]

Ohh lol

Idk 🤷🏾‍♂️

[remote tangle]

I'm top 150 at A3

S is like top 20 atm

[winged bough]

Ill be back on this weekend for the super grind.

Sonic crossworlds to fire rn

[remote tangle]

You can probably push to S in that time lol, I guess SS is a thing now too

[winged bough]

I'm just a tech player until my boy buu drops

Super buu

Fat buu the 🗑 buu 😆

[autumn sable]

WOW

ZARBON IS COOKING

[gentle ether]

super start + skill 1 boost on frieza looking so delightful

[winged bough]

yes and no... I had that 3x in a row yesterday and with all of these ssj3 everywhere

while zarbon is godly

ssj3 s1 super start is oppressive af

if ssj3 arent in the match(rare) then zarbon beats everything

its what made me get off the game

[gentle ether]

Yeah I spoke too soon

so oppressive the ssj3 on my team makes sure i get no xp at all costs

[severe hound]

All characters must be free, remove the gacha system through capsules and make all those items and skins purchasable, this would please players much more, if all the characters that appear are only through gems I fear the game will lose many players

[remote tangle]

Tf does this have to do with frieza

[slender zodiac]

they posted it in like 15 channels

[dry bane]

Just try in training, you put zarbon, go away, no backstab proc at all

[autumn sable]

We did it guys

I think Frieza is S tier now

[gentle ether]

backstab too finnicky i just take lbj

[stone zodiac]

Why get backstep anyway his cdr is pretty good after buffs

[slender zodiac]

the cooldown definitely doesn't hurt especially if they die

and Dodoria's CD is still the same

[remote tangle]

Could purser work?

[dry bane]

if you hit with 2 spells yes

issue is i'm not sure it get more damage if you get damage downs wit zarbon, imma try

it's fixed even with 10 stacks of damage down

[remote tangle]

So do you think it's viable?

[dry bane]

it is damage

not like he needs but

i'd stil lgo GH Solid LBJ on him any day

[buoyant bobcat]

Collecting MVPs with frieza is both ironic and thrilling

[jolly thunder]

Need a tip on how to deal with Hit as Frieza

Without heavily rely on Shu

[dry bane]

if you are inside your minion attack range he will get way more damage than what you take. Also, solid barrier, and he can't stop you with your movement passive

[slender zodiac]

I thought Frieza was actually a pretty good counter to Hit

you can put down your minions and if he ever unstelths they just nuke him

[stone zodiac]

Solid barrier is pretty good. You already melt obj enough

[dry bane]

i feel like GH and Solid are nearly mandatory, if you burst withouth GH you are a minion, and if you have it you can max burst and have ult back in 15 seconds. Which is dumb (i'm gonna test exact timer now), and you just die too easy without solid. And if you focus me zarbon will kill you. I still take LBJ on him but i guess pursuer can work?

22s and 80% (100%?) shield on the entire team is cracked

[slender zodiac]

yea Gekishin High

is great

[shy orbit]

How do u deal significant damage with frieza? Spam zarbon?

[remote tangle]

Zarbon plus decree

[steep fulcrum]

Ngl shu should be a staple in technical players, his visual mark is long and impactful when used right

Abuse dodoria, he can detect hit even when stealth and we're still debating if it's intentional or not just because he can't be seen but can be hit ykwim

[worldly dawn]

So can dodoria move away bosses? (when you first activate the skill)?

[remote tangle]

No

[remote tangle]

I like farmer on frieza tho bcuz it gives him a 3rd minion pretty much and helps kill bosses, I do think shu is good for other techs tho

[steep fulcrum]

It's aight, I'm just talking more against hit anyway

[steep fulcrum]

Pursuer can't work with frieza, I don't and won't recommend it, it's just a one-time damage per the card's cd and you're better off with lbj

[dry bane]

ye but is better than backstab thats why i say it

i go lbj on any character

[autumn sable]

I sometimes use Wicked Warrior because undeployed Zarbon Dodoria is actually good for chasing low hp enemy

Namek ptsd

[dry bane]

also double vanish is good for chasing low hp enemies kekw

[steep fulcrum]

I would even recommend backstab than pursuer on frieza, especially using on dodoria frame 1? It's crazy that you can use it basically like an actual push skill instead of deploying dodoria skill

I'll show footage of it in #✨game-moments

#✨game-moments message

Frieza backstab dodoria (that sounds wrong but yea)

[arctic valley]

whats the move order for frieza

[remote tangle]

Zarbon then dadoria or decree

[arctic valley]

no levels on supernova?

[remote tangle]

Well you get and upgrade you ult when you unlock it

[arctic valley]

oh right

duh

[jolly thunder]

I have it staple ever since Hit players fluctuated at B

I never see the dumb ones so it's really annoying to deal with him

If he's in Zarbon's reach, Hit aim for him, otherwise stunning me

Dodoria can unconsciously detect stealth are first time to me hearing it though

[arctic valley]

dodoria upscale

[dry bane]

i always use farmer on frieza tho, shu on all the rest

all damage down stacking with decree speeds up bosses way too much

[barren herald]

Finally got Freiza, what cards and skills levelling order? Thanks.

[naive zephyr]

i would also like to know

[keen shale]

it should be like himerdinger from league of legends, the cool
down from them being place is ridiculous, sad enough you can tell them to come back when they still place away from you

[fickle robin]

I will give you tips.

1. Zarbon is your best friend.
2. Skill 3 is your buddies best friend.
3. GEKISHIN High is the best card on him (20 second ULT recharge time).
4. Ult off cooldown like Goku uses Kamehameha.
5. Run even if you're the same level unless Zarbon is already set up.
6. Shin is best supporter.
7. Epic Hunter and Solo Nappa/Android 16. You can do a ton of damage to Jaco and Ribrian solo but can't solo with no fear of them being stolen.
8. Rat towers. Skills have like a 4 second cooldown with GEKISHIN high.
9. Leave Top lane is Nappa has spawned.
10. You can solo defend Towers with all your skills.

[dry bane]

Id say leave and be at objectives before they spawn*

[jolly thunder]

Being at B Rank as Frieza main gave me valuable lesson

I'm gonna hate Hit matchup for the rest of my life

[dry bane]

if you are inside your minions range and he jumps you he won't be happy

nor he can't actually stun you with your passive

[jolly thunder]

Burst dps + Hit is the worst lineup

Hit rarely get into the firing zone unless I bait myself

[dry bane]

if you get solid barrier he can't kill you anymore

[jolly thunder]

He can't

His burst dps will

[dry bane]

if its burst, solid barrier works, if its continuos damage it will kill you but thats more on you staying ther efor 5 seconds

i got SB in my head with Solid and i got like 20% damage, no way they can oneshot in 2s unless you have no decree, no vanish, overextended AND they poked the shield before

[stone zodiac]

Hit or frieza for solo q winning?

[dry bane]

Frieza but hit can carry too

main diff is that Hit can't get objectives

[stone zodiac]

I might give up on hit seems too hard on switch vs pc

Laggy a bit too

[slender zodiac]

I assume you meant Shu

for the helper

[fickle robin]

Yeah

[slender zodiac]

yea thats what I use too

[fickle robin]

So use to saying "Kill Shin" every match

[restive ridge]

do you guys get 2 zarbon levels early game or 1 zarbon + 1 decree

[steep fulcrum]

Shouldn't it be zarbon dodoria then decree

They're pretty important that you can get decree last considering they're also your farmers so you can easily get decree safely

[fickle robin]

2. Zarbon
3. Dodoria
4. Decree
5. Zarbon or Supernova

[flint spindle]

Should Frieza have all blue cards? I used to just get the speed ones but the boss killer one seems helpful. Applying GEKISHIN high seems to get me killed even though I think it's deemed as good

[slender zodiac]

^

[night obsidian]

Right? Hits are everywhere, and they always instakill you if you lose them for one second

[lavish echo]

What are the best places to set up zarbon?

[drifting blaze]

With freiza do yall tend to protect the bases ? I found myself doing that a LOT but it feel like it was made for Frieza

[steep fulcrum]

Frieza's gameplay is basically that, secure whatever objective he can, may it be tower or bosses

[drifting blaze]

Ok that basically how I play it fr? I tend to ask my brothers to help with the big bosses as Freiza go crazy but just in case someone super and take the kill

[steep fulcrum]

If it's a tower, then just make it reach the circle of the tower if you're defending

[steep fulcrum]

You can just leave dodoria in the tower and use zarbon in bosses

If you don't want to use them both at the same time or want to have more map control

[lavish echo]

Do your rushes do more damage if zarbon and/or dodoria are with you? If so, leaving them while doing bosses can mess you up yes?

[drifting blaze]

That’s what I tend to do, I problem rn isn’t even hit. It’s ss3 goku lmaoo

[steep fulcrum]

You'll barely use his rush as an actual damage application, it's mostly used for removing superdash movement or a low hp finisher

Zarbon can deal more damage by himself than with frieza because he doesn't want to be in the spotlight outshining if he's with the emperor

[steep fulcrum]

Well make them retreat asap once they/ssj3 appear ig, if they get taken out, just grit your teeth and wait for the cd to come back and try again ywkim

[drifting blaze]

Appreciate it the feedback

[steep fulcrum]

Np

[lavish echo]

If they ever make an advice giver role I’m voting you, thanks 🙏🏿

[woeful scroll]

what are friezas best divine cards

[lavish echo]

GH Barrier LBJ Seems popular

[remote tangle]

Boss hunter is way better

[lavish echo]

Ok so I’m not bad for playing that good

I play Frieza like Milady from HoK

[winged bough]

every character has a counter... ssj3 is ours

If pics and bans were out hed be my 1st ban on site

[woeful scroll]

and hit

[winged bough]

We counter each other

[buoyant bobcat]

Grinded my Tech role to B4 eith just Frieza alone

[buoyant bobcat]

If you're on Zarbon's aoe and hit tries to kill you, there's a chance he'll get killed as well

Especially with Imperial Decree up

My go-to cards on Frieza is Build Up/Solid Barrier/Limit-Breaking Jump

I just want to not get bursted and make it out alive when I get jumped

Zarbon already deals amazing damage so using Damage Cards is kinda redundant

[flint spindle]

I kinda stayed away from green cards and go for blues, I feel like if I'm faster I'll have a better chance of surviving even though I'm squishier. Or Gekishin high and the boss killer card to help the team out

I find that if I use green cards I just get locked in place and die still, just a teensy bit slower but maybe that's just me lol

But I do have times where I'll just fly into an attack, die and cry

[steep fulcrum]

Using strategic escape and lbj already makes frieza an annoying target because we're still not counting his passive where your movement speed doesn't get interrupted when being hit so yea, you can go all blue and still dominate the map control

Tier 2 is where things really get interesting because that's where all the most important cards are

And it's pretty flexible too because we have counters to high hp/advantage to low hp, counters to multi-hit attacks/burst attacks, then the last 2 techs that are objective-wise

[steep fulcrum]

It's not just me tho but thanks ig

[jolly thunder]

I like how Frieza are the first summon hero in phone MOBA who relies on macro controls

Idt I ever see someone as fun as him to play with

[steep fulcrum]

Ain't that basically every summoner archetype in mobas? We have the companion summoner (unless you count passive summon like zarbon dodoria with frieza or the gammas that's off-field) and a stationary summoner like frieza

[jolly thunder]

IDR having summoner in Onmyouji Arena or ML

As inPassive summoners

Ofc active summoner are too hassle for phone MOBA though

[lavish echo]

Coming from unite I forgot how much I missed having a summoner

[finite galleon]

just got into a game with a freiza who had all red cards and was allergic to defending tower
dont be like this ^

[autumn sable]

Supernova Zarbon Dodoria Imperial Decree

[jolly thunder]

Supernova at lv. 5 if your opponent is smart enough to steal objective as soon as they notice you gone

Use Supernova to secure objective faster

[dry bane]

Supernova also blocks energy damage, so you can secure bosses and block nukes even if it does tick damage, you also want to aim it so it hits further in the hitbox, because it does very low damage if you use it point blank

i also always go farmer with him because it gets stacks for Zarbon and like doubles damage boss

also supernova is good if you can freely max burst a tower, with GH it goes back to 22s cooldown on top of full 100% hp shield to the party

[dry bane]

indeed the only not blue card i'd take at tier 2 is solid barrier, because even with strategic escape you are too squishy sometimes, but i guess they do the same job in different ways

[jolly thunder]

The crater blocks energy damage?

I thought it's just on the ball drop

[steep fulcrum]

You can imagine how bardock tried to beam struggle frieza supernova just to fail, that's what also happens here using his ult

[dry bane]

is not the crater, is the Ball itself, as far as it is on the screen and doing damage, it blocks everny damage. The crater is an attack debuff

[dry bane]

what i mean is: place zarbon, dodoria, farmer, decree, start charging, at 40% let it go gg

i ate so many khh/dragonfist lol, DF doing 0 damage to boss is the best feeling

[jolly thunder]

Oh

[dry bane]

Lemme try to link it

[jolly thunder]

Guess I did it right when just throw the ball when the objective are near dying

I'm always pissed at how SS3 and Trunks keep stealing it

[dry bane]

#✨game-moments message

I think It can be done faster and on nappa you have to rush him First so zarbon locks the target

[jolly thunder]

🤨

Are Frieza mains normally camp them like that before the timer finish?

[dry bane]

If you don't Attack nappa with rush attacks zarbon May target little saybamans

You should preposition

In any moba, you Need to secure objective site before It spawns

A good team, if you are there late, Will kill them 5 seconds After spawn, and in soloq they are late so you Always want to be there before spawn time

You are fast enough to scout so you don't get jumped if you team Is missing

[jolly thunder]

I should consider coming on the count of 5 lmao

Guess it's why the burst dps always stealing my kills

[dry bane]

You know already bosses are at 2 4 6 8 so you can start rotating once you see the popup

Ye i see all gokus either using SB at 100% or when It Is at 5.... Or not using at all

[jolly thunder]

Are you going Farmer even against Hit?

[dry bane]

You don't know if they have hit so...

Shu on objectives makes It way slower

[jolly thunder]

The yesterday solid barrier really helpful, thx btw

[dry bane]

The point Is, zarbon debuffs physical, which empowers dodoria which Is not your main dps, farmer buffs dodoria

[jolly thunder]

I used to use Farmer, but people just like sneaking behind objective or GoD

[dry bane]

Everyone seems to go solid barrier on dps too now ffs

[jolly thunder]

Only against burst dps and Frieza for the most part

[dry bane]

Any other tech would use shu 100%, Frieza soloq you want to do you job so you should be able to manage Hit regardless of shu

[jolly thunder]

Gammas and Dabura aren't that scary even without SB

Farmer damage scales with your atk?

[dry bane]

Not sure It does no damage more or less

It gives Energy def up which Is zarbon type

[jolly thunder]

Energy def down?

[dry bane]

Also he can defend towers, shu can't

Yes

Is more like all defence down tho, but works, also i Always get decree on level 4, much Better dps increase over zarbon 2 (zarbon 2 does same as zarbon 1 but slightly faster)

[jolly thunder]

I usually get Zarbon 2 and decree lv 1

Decree level affects +aspd multiplier?

[dry bane]

or that yes, i hold my level 3 skill to see if i need to deny some guys from melee range on Kaio or not, i also enjoy zarbon into flank into back dodoria. I think yes Decree level should have increased effects but at that point Zarbon is already melting, not gonna count frames

sure Zarbon 2 decree farmer ult gets the boss much faster

[jolly thunder]

I mostly 1>2>3>Ult

I remembered trying 1>1>3>3 before, but people already have methods to kill Zarbon fast to the point I had to use something to push them

[dry bane]

the only thing i do on top, on every character more or less, is to not put points at 7 so you can get max zarbon and ult at 8

[jolly thunder]

I let my lane mate take front NPC while I macro farming the back

[dry bane]

also you not always get 9 even with stomps before min 4 but 8 is kinda guaranteed if you play decently

the first thing you want to do is securing the kaio

[jolly thunder]

????

Wait

Nvm, that seems common thing in DotA as well

I completely forgot that works

[dry bane]

max zarbon at 8 on bosses is disgusting ahaha

[jolly thunder]

I never want to step inside Zarbon 3 + Decree lmao

Only Cooler can walk in and still alive

Fortunately I only met few ppl who have balls setting Zarbon directly or behind enemy escape route

[dry bane]

Issue he can live, but the debuff will make a Cell turn into wet noodles for your team

[steep fulcrum]

For a strike oriented char yea bu t if it's an energy partner then zarbon debuff is non-existent

[dry bane]

i mean who doesn't have some energy hahaah still Zarbon does goku levels of damage ngl

[steep fulcrum]

Nah I'm just saying a strike oriented char will benefit more from those strike debuff

Zarbon doesn't shred energy defense

Which is why dodoria's there for the complete package

[lavish echo]

I don’t see solid barrier recommend on Frieza, not because it’s Bad, but because epic Hunter is on the same tier and it makes life free

And Frieza mobility makes me end most games at 0 deaths regardless

You really mess up enemy timings when you suddenly spike your already high damage on objectives even higher

Once we get to jaco/ribrianne I swap because you need team help with those anyway, points allowing, but it’s not the end of the world with decree 3 being get out of jail

[dry bane]

you don't need epic hunter tbh, you do your job already, Goku can still secure bosses, and a dead frieza is 0 damage. I want to freely charge my ult for those 2 seconds without exploding, and you can facetank genkidamas no problem

the issue is that solid barrier also allows you to join some fights where you should not be able to stay

i think in general Epic Hunter is a useless card just for the fact that bosses alrady melt, and you don't want to gamble on them but secure position first. The only way i see it """"""""VIABLE"""""" is if a SSJ3 goku uses dragon fist under 50%, but i guess that could be tournament levels of play with high knowledge of your kit's damage. But solid barrier SSJ3 is already in 99% of the games so...

[lavish echo]

From a more coordinated perspective, I can understand, dropping epic for a bit more survivability and outplay, but for the first two objectives in a given match, I often times find myself alone on objectives, simply because I get there faster and can set up for the assault faster than everyone else, so being able to capitalize on that window in time With more upfront damage is valuable. As mentioned, once we’re dealing with the later game objectives that need a bit more time or Assistance anyway, a card swap makes perfect sense.

You can absolutely clear without it, heck, first objective you usually don’t have it anyway, and if anyone can find a way to not take damage for the amount of time it takes for barrier to reestablish it’s Frieza

[dry bane]

a bit is 2 seconds of 75% damage reduction from all sources, not lucky 50% more damage on a boss you have to actually be on and works on only 3 bosses

you already have a kill secure with your ult

you can't rat towers with epic hunter too but if it works for you

[jolly thunder]

Epic Hunter secures objective faster in exchange you can suddenly get Kaioken+Kamehameha from bushes

Also coordinated burst + Hit is

[dry bane]

you can do bosss in 4 seconds already i don't need "faster" lol

[jolly thunder]

I hate that son of a...

[dry bane]

you either oneshot it or someone oneshot your zarbon, no real middle way

[dry bane]

coordinated burst vs solid barrier means your team has cds on skills and i've 70% life remaining

the issue are those ssj3s poking your shield from mars lol

[jolly thunder]

I got used with Kamehameha firing spot

IT + Kamehameha still disgusting though

Does that thing even have weakness or it's lore accurate skill?

I don't see people using it often

[worn herald]

It's lore accurate

[jolly thunder]

But super long CD?

[worn herald]

Probably not often used bc you face the enemy from the direction you come from, but they're always moving so just popping will make you miss

[dry bane]

the design is gigaflawed imo, either remove his ability to use IT in combat or remove instant KHH, he can alrady IT into dragon fist but at least he has CDS after

and CD come on, it is """"high""""" but it is barely noticeable

[lavish echo]

Where’s the luck in epic Hunter?

Now, if it doesn’t affect zardoria that would be a reason to skip, but “luck”? Seems like a dismissive rather than constructive evaluation

[dry bane]

I said

Pick what you like

If you need to do a boss in 4 seconds and not 5, Is your preference

[jolly thunder]

It's speed vs stability

There's never right answer, just a matter of preference

I just noticed you can dodge super KHH by dashing behind SS3

Same as Dragon fist

But it's on-reaction moments, kinda hard to pull off in the heat of battle

[stone zodiac]

Frieza is fukin busted

[remote tangle]

He's busted is the enemy team doesn't know how to handle him if they do then you're kinda cooked

[stone zodiac]

I feel like hes way more impactful than playing hit

Objective control, defense, tower pushing

Map rotation

[remote tangle]

Hit is the anti-frieza no one counters frieza better that hit

[stone zodiac]

I gotta get better with him lol im way better on frieza

[remote tangle]

I chuckle knowing it could be months before I unlock hit since I picked cell

[stone zodiac]

Huh i thought you already play him 🤣

[remote tangle]

No the reason I know he counters is that I am always being bullied by hits as frieza

[steep fulcrum]

You're being bullied if hit's teammate already destroyed zarbon/dodoria so you don't have anything to fight with which is also basically every char that can delete them easily

Hit's more in a disadvantage here because unless you're playing so bad and doing the wrong things with frieza, hit can't touch you and you'll just run away with the help of your passive

Zarbon dodoria is alr enough for me as the "turrets"/summons so I don't need farmer and jusr equip shu and boom another counter to hit ykwim

[stone zodiac]

I feel like frieza counters hit

Better objective/minion control, better rotation

[steep fulcrum]

Yea

Idk how it's being the opposite unless frieza doesn't have dodoria/zarbon cuz his teammate eliminated it

[stone zodiac]

If you stand in zarbon you dead in 2 seconds and frieza is unkillable with barrier

[slender zodiac]

Yea I prefer shu's radius

[jolly thunder]

Everytime I play Frieza I pray to God that I don't fight against Hit in A rank

[remote tangle]

Just got to S rank solo q as my lovable rat

[jolly thunder]

Stopped at A because I just want the rewards

Though I do agree Frieza is fun

Gonna play him after I done with the other As

[remote tangle]

Wise. Took the same amount of time to go from E to A as to A to S probably bcuz there was a season reset but still

[jolly thunder]

Are Taopai gonna be helper skin or it's actual helper?

[remote tangle]

Last I checked helper skins aren't a thing so probably a helper

[winged bough]

The thing is, frieza is better for the overall team.

[wise jackal]

Anyone got a divine card build I can try out?

[stone zodiac]

Gekishin burst, barrier, double vanish

[viscid jungle]

so what's the best way to play frieza and what skills should be prioritised

[echo nebula]

I prioritize 1, 2, 3 myself.
With Frieza you need to be further back because you are fragile as hell. If you get close to an enemy where they can trade rush attacks you are generally doing it wrong.

You use your summons for damage and farming. You can leave Zarbon in an area with npcs for him to clear and call him once he is done the clean up.

Also, Frieza is GREAT at clearing bosses, though not neccessarily at securing them.

With zarbon, dodoria, and the 3rd skill buff they can shred bosses.
You can even go for the boss killer card if you neef to be certain you can get the boss that pops in your lane (only if the boss spawns ay your area first I'll say)

Dodoria can help you in pushing away enemies.
Frieza is also great at defending the GoDs or helping his team defeat the enemies while they are by the GoD.

[stone zodiac]

Ult s1 and s3 i get

[stone zodiac]

His ult blocks dmg

[echo nebula]

Wait, what?

[viscid jungle]

yea that makes a lotta sense

his s3 is good for survivabilty and while his henchmen do the work for his lazy ahh

[echo nebula]

Honestly, his ult's cd is short enough for me to comfortably throw it around during exchanges.

And yeah, frieza isnt meant to deal damage with rush attack.
Heck, his rush attack damage is atrocious without both zarbon and dodoria.

[scenic star]

But if you were using the ult to steal or snipe enemies wouldn't that make it good? (Haven't played Frieza yet)

[echo nebula]

You can, sure.

I admit though, I probably don't use Frieza's ult that well. I mostly use it in team fights when on a higher level when you can charge Frieza's ult to get MASSIVE.
Good for taking or defending GoDs.

[scenic star]

From my experience fighting him that ult hits hard if it catches you fully charged but I guess that depends on your cards

[lavish echo]

Level the ult so you can max burst rat towers for team shields and huge damage with high on a 22 second cd

Then you can feel good being a support 🤣

And if they stop you s3 out and have your giant death ball for a skirmish somewhere else. Win win

[stone zodiac]

Ok boys frieza is broken just went from a4 to s solo q on nintendo switch crossplay lol

[remote tangle]

Wait what? How did you find a match in no-crossplay?

[stone zodiac]

With cross play im fighting vs pc players

[remote tangle]

Oh you're playing with crossplay on?

[stone zodiac]

Ye you cant find games without

[echo nebula]

What do you mean fully charged? You can charge his ult?

Wait, my bad! I thought I was in the Majin Buu thread!

Now it all makes sense.

[stone zodiac]

Lol

[quick turtle]

I do

[stone zodiac]

Damn frieza is straight up domination

@dry bane did you hit S on sup yet? I was thinking about trying too easy or build it up then a different 2nd card

Geki is good but some lobbies people dont let you back door lol

And i dont really use it early mid game because im farming/bossing

Giant slayer could be good

[winged bough]

Been stuck at A1, I keep running into top 50 players. Which they are playing stacked . Feels like you can't play the game when you play vs them

[remote tangle]

I ran into bebop_yt earlier today and lost in front of 300 ppl if it makes you feel better

[winged bough]

I just played vs the number 7 tech player team

Like that is not fun, I've been stuck at A1 Because of this

I keep playing top 50

[remote tangle]

Hate to break it to you but S is worse then it's 100% top 100 players

[winged bough]

Yea i know how this goes. I used to play unite stacked only and people complained there but I have no interest going pro like I did in that game

[remote tangle]

I'm going more pro in this game than in unite lol

[winged bough]

Yea unite burned me out, I was on g4tv and everything. Can't do that anymore

[stone zodiac]

You match into squads while solo qing?

[winged bough]

Yes, all the time... when you're high rank the group players can't play anyone else

[stone zodiac]

Serious lol

It should never put 4 stack vs solo queue

[winged bough]

At this point, I'm surprised if I run into other solo players

[stone zodiac]

I ran into lots of S duos

[winged bough]

I really like this game

I already know it's not going to last long for me just because I can't play solo unless I don't care about losing. Unfortunately

[stone zodiac]

Solo team games always have this feeling bro

[dry bane]

Ye i did solo tech as hit and Frieza. The issue Is that, even if you don't backdoor, you Will get some burst hopefully. Without gh you are a Minion for 30 seconds. Too easy May work but ive to check if It scales with your hps or Is flat shield. Going solid barrier second should be more than enough to not justify a green card, and if It not you probably die regardless. I think strategic escape may work better than green cards as first

[stone zodiac]

Ye I feel like die regardless of the barrier mostly if you get caught

Late game tho

[dry bane]

If you loose solid barrier you already got multiple stuns and you wont escape at that point ngl, no card Will make Frieza survive 3/4 seconds against good players

[stone zodiac]

Yee

[dry bane]

Lategame even worse but you can tank Spirit bombs with solid barrier and no other card

[stone zodiac]

Ive only been running gh sb and lbj

[dry bane]

Ye i cannot actually pick other cards on him

[stone zodiac]

Ive won like 80-90;% my games yesterday on him

[dry bane]

If i do i'll regret at some point of the match hahaah

[stone zodiac]

His laning phase is broken and he farms real good

[dry bane]

Goku Gohan duo Is broken ahaha but Ye if It Is solo vs solo he shines

[stone zodiac]

Ye thats why I been keeping gh because when you can use it it pays off

@dry bane how good is build it up/too easy

[dry bane]

Man i've answered 🤣

[stone zodiac]

Build it up lol

Wish they actually explained how much buffs each card gives

[dry bane]

14.4 damage reduced on max build up but i don't know if too Easy Is fixed or scales with character hps

14.4 Is not enough on Frieza but too Easy, if flat, can work probably

[stone zodiac]

Ye

I might grind for top 10 technical

But i wanna get ss first

[dry bane]

Idc anymore tbh, you either team and abuse soloq or you are stuck around 2k. Dumb design but this game Is all about moneygrabbing and that part Is already over, so

[stone zodiac]

Ye the 4 stacks are cringe tbh lol

[remote tangle]

@void compass I'm 3k battle score below your highest rn check leaderboards lmao

[void compass]

I SAW THAT BRO YOU'RE SCARING ME

[remote tangle]

I'm gonna get #1 some day...

[void compass]

Imma need you to stand down

[stone zodiac]

Whats score i was like 200k on hit lol

[remote tangle]

292k

[stone zodiac]

Wtf lol

[remote tangle]

Oh yeah I didn't mention I'm #2 in the world

[stone zodiac]

Nice bro

How much rank points you got

[remote tangle]

5445 overall

[stone zodiac]

You s on frieza?@remote tangle

[remote tangle]

Yeah

[stone zodiac]

I barely lose on him im over 2000

I deranked on dps tho lol 1900 to 1600/1700 been trying dif chars

I think piccolo might be mega busted

[balmy plinth]

Can you guys teach me you're ways?

[steep fulcrum]

Forget you're playing a dbz character and you can play this guy without any problem

You gotta forget what you've learned so far with every character for frieza, he's the most unique character and you gotta understand you're not taking the spotlight but rather shining the spotlight to someone else

Which is basically every tech char

But not like frieza

[stone zodiac]

Gekishin high, solid barrier, double vanish. Early game use zarbon and decree to farm lane. Drop the bosses when they spawn easy as that.

And drop zarbon and decree away on minions to farm fast while still rotating to other farm or objectives. Easy zarbon recall with 2 sec cd

[balmy plinth]

Alright I will try that

Thanks for the advice

[stone zodiac]

Ye drop farmer on boss with dodoria use decree and ult it at 30% your ult blocks dmg its broken

[balmy plinth]

Ok I will try it out

Thanks again

[void compass]

Ok this man GiiD hit 400k thats definitely fake as hell

[vast abyss]

Great tip is to use more Zarbon than you use frieza

[void compass]

Yall need to pump fake zarbon too

Instant desummon

The way people target him is crazy

[untold tree]

I saw some redit post about the guy solo Q to S rank with frieza and some tips

Tried the guy once again and oh hell

[stone zodiac]

Bro as soon as i swapped to frieza i went from 1600 a4 to 2000 s and lost 2 games solo q he is broken

[dry bane]

biggest tip is go training mode in the actual map. You have to learn how your zarbon works mostly.
The difference between frieza and other techs is that, is a soloq vs soloq, he can abuse any win condition (bosses, exp advantage, towers), while other techs can't always do all of them... maybe better 1v1 but a good frieza will chunk you or force you to defend and do 3v3s.

Learn every kaio spawn timer, you need to set your puppets right before it, not after, not too early or they will get sniped.
You are basically the only character that can farm the 2 minions closer to base with no drawback by setting zarbon and going back (stay in the tower so you get max speed immediately).
You can do any boss in 3/4 seconds with puppets + farmer + decree.
Abuse ultimate, low cd, block energy damage (it can guarantee bosses and literally cut damage in teamfights) on top of damage down debuff.
If not super start, skip level 7, at 8 you upgrade both S1 and ult and you have free second boss most of the time. Zarbon + decree can melt tanks if unchecked, learn map vision, learn to keep an eye on your puppets so you can retrieve them safely.

#✨game-moments message unoptimized first boss

if nappa, auto attack him to not waste dps on saybamans, aggro saybas away from your minions. If you set them before the spawn, you can prevent the boss to attack zarbon for free at the beginning

[stone zodiac]

Exactly this he can do everything. Even if you lose lane and don't get big xp minion you always hit 5 before first boss to contest and you can set zarbon up at the 2 minions that spawn at 2mins

You should be at every boss and he is so insanely broken because his ult beats spirit ball

[dry bane]

ye is one of the few characters that can do 1:40 kaio and be at the boss on the other side before 2 mins

probably the only

[stone zodiac]

I literally level zarbon then decree you literally zoom around the map doing whatever you want.

[dry bane]

(in soloq where noone will do it when it spawns)

[stone zodiac]

Bro he's so efficient at farming too. You can be everywhere

[dry bane]

decree is also extremely good at helping your team to chase mac12 supports running away

i'm still unsure if i'd max dodoria or decree second tho

i do dodoria 99% of the time, it's hard to check how much attack speed on zarbon you get with level ups, if you get some..

level 1 is just too strong

[stone zodiac]

He's prob the best or one of the best chars right now

[stone zodiac]

I love the speed

[dry bane]

i mean he hard looses into any team or good baseku but ye

the game is either autoloss vs premade or is lobotomized vs monkeys so you just abuse that, is not like he is op

he is a noobstomper in a game made mostly of noobs

[stone zodiac]

@dry bane does giant slayer work with zarbon? I can't play to test currently

Yeah he exploits solo q monkeys easily

[dry bane]

maybe but if you skip solid barrier you are trolling

[stone zodiac]

Yeah solid is too good. Maybe could go too easy giant slayer or snowball giant slayer. But gekishin and barrier offer so much value.

Late game you can backdoor and always live because of barrier, double blink and decree and passive

[dry bane]

it is basically guaranteed ult charge at boss too

[stone zodiac]

Yup

[dry bane]

without GH you can't burst tower without loosing half a minion of gameplay, without solid barrier you die

if the game had no card i'd say frieza could be easy F(rieza) Tier

[stone zodiac]

Your role is to do everything. If people stand infront of zarbon they are already dead. Don't need more damage.

[dry bane]

best combo is Zarbon decree run past dodoria to push into zarbon ahahah

[stone zodiac]

Lmfao

[dry bane]

why are you running?

[stone zodiac]

Its too funny 😂 🤣

[void compass]

It does

If you think the enemy cant catch you go ahead (you're gonna die)

[glossy lodge]

Yeah this character is just insane

As soon as the boss is about to spawn on another lane i just go there and melt it down

[signal thicket]

what do you do if like. the frieza is just hiding behind the last tower on his side? they just spam zarbon and dodoria on the tower and you can't do anything

[remote tangle]

Long range attacks

[signal thicket]

you can't hit the tower like that, and frieza is going to hide behind the barriers

there's no way to get at him

[remote tangle]

You have to kill zarbon

[signal thicket]

ah

i see.

[void compass]

Nuke him

[jolly thunder]

When in doubt, you can just blast him with skills or ultimate

It takes quite a while to recall both of them if they dying/die

Unless the Frieza can read what're you going to do and recall them before getting the nuke

[void compass]

Throw multiple nukes

[torn horizon]

best super start?

[steep fulcrum]

Zarbon

[jolly oar]

whats the level up order for frieza

[steep fulcrum]

Zarbon prio

Then dodo then decree

[jolly oar]

yeah but like do I do S1>S1>S2?

or like what do I do

[steep fulcrum]

Have both of them first

There's no reason to just have 1 minion

It's like goku without the kaioken

[bold haven]

Sooo snowball, barrier and extra vanish step? Or take other red card as 1st pick?🤔

[thorny raven]

i like boss damage one

[untold tree]

Depends
Snowball or the blue card for geikshin as first

[thorny raven]

frieza melts those bosses

[untold tree]

For 2nd card - barrier is the card you will finish with but might consider boss card temporary
Up to you

[thorny raven]

i agree barrier is universally good, cant go wrong with it

[bold haven]

epic hunter i played before frieza buff

1st blue card i just dont like😅

[untold tree]

I sometimes use the escape card when i find my lane suck bad to not feed
But those two ive mentioned before are main picks

[thorny raven]

snowball is greedy and fun as hell but soloq can make it hard

[untold tree]

Yea but frieza sucks on gods without geikshin card
And if you need to do the gods due to team plays then it is what it is

[bold haven]

And this works?

So as basic picks we go all blue?

[untold tree]

It does
Base skill cds are really high for frieza to use on gods
And paired with steel barrier you can backdoor nicely gods

[untold tree]

Steel barrier is a must
If you go for epic hunter you need to swap it asap when bosses end

[bold haven]

Geikshin, epick hunter and extra vanish step?

[untold tree]

Geikshin - steel barrier - Vanish step is a my go mainly

[bold haven]

Idk if defensive card i would go with barrier 🤔

But if it dont work would keep skin in mind🫡

[steep fulcrum]

Please don't use gekishin high, it goes basically against frieza's playstyle, use basically any other card than gek high

[winged bough]

Agrees gekishin high is the worst card out of the level 1 cards for frieza. Frieza isn't a god destroyer character

He's more to assist teammates to take towers.

[untold tree]

Solo Q shows frieza sometimes Has to do everything

[void compass]

^

[steep fulcrum]

I'm soloq too but that ain't the way

You can just use s3 or super attack for the max/gek burst while dodarbon are guarding you

They're too important not to guard you on basically anything

[bold haven]

I like soloq

When my temates go afk and we 3 vs 4 😎

[stone zodiac]

Useless you dont get to use it at 1st boss

[thorny raven]

ive been able too most of the time

[stone zodiac]

Lol you not doing boss at 2 minutes then

Zarbon decree then dodoria max order for me

I used gekishin high

Decree max 2nd is better.rotation and farming

[stiff ginkgo]

i dont know what to do with this character

i put the minions down but then it feels like i cant progress

theyre just there

[void compass]

Put them down kill whatever you put them down there for

Pick them up

[bold haven]

@stiff ginkgo you can farm exp with them

[glossy lodge]

Frieza you play pve

You farm the kais and the map

As soon as the boss comes you melt them down

Then melt the 3rd boss

And sneak on the GoDs

Seems to be the best way to play Frieza

You cant really teamfight late game because all nukes just delete zarbon + dodoria

[void compass]

Yes you can

Just cut off the enemy retreat

[glossy lodge]

thats putting yourself in an awful position though and with Frieza's massive speed imo its just better to try and snipe their base

that said if theres a lot of clouds you can hide zarbon there

[void compass]

If theres an enemy defending or ssj3 goku alive at all winning the team fight is better

And dodoria survives late game skills

[glossy lodge]

could just leave dodoria there to defend while just zoom across the map for a snipe

at the start i disagree with zarbon + dodoria

ive felt like zarbon + decree is far better to take the kai fast

even if contested zarbon might do just enough with decree to take it

[void compass]

Dodoria defends zarbon and/or pushes them off

[void compass]

Idk what rank you are but if its a frieza mirror stand in front of their zarbon or place dodoria in front of it

Boom you took kai

[jolly oar]

what rank are you?

[void compass]

Top 100 overall

For now

S

BUT ALSO RANK 2 FRIEZA RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[jolly oar]

Teach me 🗣️🔥

No like genuinely, idk whether I'm doing something wrong or whether it's because I'm solo queuing and getting awful teammates

[void compass]

What rank

[jolly oar]

Uhh let me check

Oh I can't put pictures here, mind if I dm you?

[void compass]

Just say the rank lol

[jolly oar]

C4 overall

[void compass]

Aight frieza can carry those ranks

What cards do you use

If you want to survive more you dont need bulk up just take solid barrier

Never take epic hunter(jaco card) you dont need it

Depending on who your enemy is you should get zarbon and dodoria instead of just zarbon decree

If you see your enemy knows to kill zarbon first start placing him in places where they have to over extend to reach him

[jolly oar]

I normally do strategic escape, solid barrier, then LBJ

Still not completely sure on what to level up, like exactly what order. Or when to level up my supernova

I know how to solo bosses, but could you do me a favor if possible

[void compass]

In your rank

[jolly oar]

Hm?

[void compass]

You could go snowball

[jolly oar]

Ah, well yeah. I just need to learn how to survive longer if that's the case

[void compass]

Literally just run around

Dont rush attack

Wait till you see your teammates fighting someone

Put dodoria to cut off their retreat if they are running

Put zarbon behind them so when they chase you zarbon lights them up

And take ALL the npcs off the map

Farm EVERYTHING

[jolly oar]

So I sneak behind them then place dodoria?

[void compass]

In a team fight yes

If you see people jumping your teammate early game

Put dodoria to push them back

[jolly oar]

Okay, and put zarbon behind me or them

[void compass]

Behind the enemy

But facing towards the fight

When your teammate is fighting early

Put zarbon down in a spot where the enemies have to run into his path to attack your teammate

If they start going around to kill zarbon recall him instantly

[jolly oar]

Mind doing me a favor and screen recording a game of yours? Just wanna study your playstyle if possible. If you can't it's fine

[void compass]

Also if you see the modifier cloud cover use shu

I mean honestly shu is the best tech helper

But if you're feeling greedy go farmer

If you have ssj3 on your team use shu tho cause he can tp to them if they're marked

[jolly oar]

Ah okay, good to know.

[void compass]

Oh btw i said place dodoria behind them

But since dodoria attacks both ways

If they run straight at you and you place dodoria he'll cut off their retreat if they start running as well

@jolly oar early game is just rage bait the enemy team to run into zarbons range

Also for the kai i know other friezas like placing zarbon in advance to try and farm the kai for free but

If the enemy isnt dumb theyd just go for zarbon first then the kai

ALSO

IF YOU DO GET DODORIA AT LEVEL 3

RUN STRAIGHT AT THE ENEMY AND PLACE DODORIA TO HIT THEM AND THEIR MINION

FOR FIRST HIT

[jolly oar]

what do you level up first

[void compass]

Its always zarbon unless its super start against hit

And ssj3 goku tbh

If its super start against those two then dodoria

[jolly oar]

yeah but like what's your order? 1>2>3>?

[void compass]

Depends on if im feeling quirky

Zarbon first

Then depending on how much you want to greed

If you think you can beat your lane enemies OR steal their exp then level the 3 imperial decree

If they are actively trying to fight you get dodoria

So look at their characters and try to predict how theyll act

In the case where you got 1 and 3 first

AND win the team fight