42.16.0 UNSTABLE Released

[unkempt knoll]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/93251-42160-unstable-released/

[acoustic flame]

woohoo

thank you indie game store

[smoky forge]

See? I am trustworthy

[vernal grove]

does this mean the update comes today 🥹

[spare zodiac]

It just updated for me

[hollow parrot]

Its already out

[vernal grove]

🥹🫰

[lunar kindle]

Thanks for the corrections! So many that I didn't even know existed! 🤣

[acoustic wigeon]

For the future, would it possible for the change notes to include relative % counts for decreases / increases?

Added stress debuff to ice cream treats/candy

This is unclear, does it increase or decrease stress and if it does increase stress, why?

[ornate crypt]

how is the desync this update?

[acoustic wigeon]

Here we go:

-- Minor Loot Spawn adjustments & Decreased Erosion Speed in Apocalypse, Outbreak, and Rising
-- Extinction: Removed Day/Night Speed Effect that was stopping day Sprinters
-- Extinction: Increased Erosion Speed, Decreased Zombie Door Opening %, Decreased Rally Group

[loud sandal]

THIS PLEASE

More detailed changelogs in general.
So much of PZ's changes is just "Changed this" with close to no explanation how.

Don't quite understand the need to remove Echo Creek from the spawns. A ton of people have never been to Louisville, what would make them want to explore Echo Creek in the first place

[narrow tinsel]

Question, what does RMC system mean?

[loud sandal]

right mouse click/context

[cobalt harness]

Mamma mia, patch

[acoustic wigeon]

Rebel Militia Commando

[shy slate]

Let's goooooo

[novel ferry]

Wait what added do the game

Tldr

[shy slate]

• Fixed Can't build South and East walls without floor support around stairs above the ground floor

HUGE FIX HERE!

• Fixed Fullscreen ignores OS's selected refresh rate

Also huge fix for those who loved to play fullscreen but had to play without.

[warm yew]

[tall dew]

Sounds like a "you-problem". 😉

[acoustic wigeon]

Grok pls summarize

[balmy sinew]

##################################################################
Fix building floors obstructing view when aiming. Since 42.13 this is total disqualification for further PZ gaming!
##################################################################

[placid iris]

omg this one is epic, awesome work!!! ❤️

[gilded hill]

Is the bug fixxed that zombies dont get knocked back in some rare cases?

[cerulean mason]

WHEN USING CONTROLLER: Player CANNOT move when inventory is open, when radial selection menu is up and or any other menu is up.

[hollow parrot]

Has anyone experienced like only 2-3 zombies obliterating a door within seconds in extinction mode?

Not sure if its normal or not but damm they knock it out fast

[acoustic flame]

yes doors are generally fragile in b42

[cobalt harness]

Echo Creek removed as spawn point, no new negative traits to suffer from, just some fan favourite traits cost more or give less points 🙁

[shy slate]

That's called "game balance".

[cobalt harness]

what did Echo Creek ever do to you

[shy slate]

It was a too beginner-friendly spawn point. Devs hated it.

[cobalt harness]

Well we could use some B42 new area spawn point regardless, its realistic that some places are better to survive in than some others...

[shy slate]

I can see why. You have one of the best bases in the game in Echo Creek.

So it discourages new players from venturing out.

[cobalt harness]

Disable it as spawn point for preset modes, enable to toggle it for sandbox - if you can play PZ without zeds, allowing an already before-present location to spawn at should not be weird

[shy slate]

Maybe they have other plans.

Like a brand new map expansion just off to the right side of Louisville.

[verbal ridge]

Controller isn’t usable in this newest update

[cobalt harness]

We can only speculate based on things we know, so any 5D chess planning is beyond our tiny brain capability

[shy slate]

File a bug report on the official forums.

[cobalt harness]

can live without Echo Creek at least, but still on hopium for the missing b42 features (sans bows)

[shy slate]

I already gave up.

It's best to let them work on the bows a bit more.

[cunning magnet]

noted, thank you

[shy slate]

I wanted to see some bow action as players attack moving vehicles.

[cobalt harness]

I'll be less than happy if B42 stable comes without ending the tyranny of the fridges, with the addition of lacking bows...the wilderness survival dream postponed by a long time

[cunning magnet]

i was wondering, perhaps it is some setting in options that trigger this for you?

[shy slate]

What is this "tyranny of the fridges"?

[cobalt harness]

needing electricity to preserve food

[shy slate]

Oh.

I'm more looking towards getting renewable resources to make vinegar and glass mason jars to make "Jar of [SOME FOOD]" for preservation.

[cobalt harness]

maybe its just me, I recall an old thursdoid about building your own house in the wilds, with associated primitive techs...and now we already cannot hunt deer without firearms in the woods, and without food preservation...

[shy slate]

Long-term wilderness survival is the goal, but the goal post shifted to Build 43.

That's the latest I have seen being speculated in the community.

[cobalt harness]

still would love to transition to electricity-free living, even if living nearby cities

[verbal ridge]

Nope, nothing changed in game

[shy slate]

Can you confirm the game functions correctly with an unmodded build of 42.15.2?

Perhaps this can help narrow the issue down.

[verbal ridge]

I’m not using mods

It was working perfectly fine modded last update

[frank wyvern]

so far the changes seem good, but echo creek removed and reluctant fighter buff seem a bit wierd to me

Might just be most new players never take xp nerfs, and thats why it was buffed. makes high level player better as a result, though.

[cunning magnet]

just to extra extra sure, but have you tried partially moving the stick instead of moving it all the way through?

[verbal ridge]

Yes

[rugged perch]

why did they remove spawn at echo creek

[sharp gull]

Herbalist can be removed each time you switch to park ranger occupation to give yourself more points. It also stacks each time you do this. Edit: known bug just saw bug report on the forum

[gilded hill]

Easy to get guns

[hollow parrot]

Does anyone got a pic of the dental floss icon? Curious on how it looks but too lazy to boot the game just for it

[hearty chasm]

"- Change the sandbox option "Firearms use damage chance" from a check-box to a drop-down list
-- This addresses the issue with PVP where players could insta kill someone with lvl 0 in aiming" .... ??

[timber geode]

According to yesterday's blog, the Echo Creek spawn was for players to test the new areas but it wasn't intended as a permanent spawn point. Kinda like when we used to spawn with an 9mm pistol to test the new aiming system

[rugged perch]

if you survive

[white sedge]

Removing the spawn was unnecessary and even a step back from letting us spawn in any town sans Louisville (for lore reasons). There’s no reason someone wouldn’t be living in echo creek, or the other new towns for that matter, when the outbreak occurs. Please add it back, ty.

[humble kernel]

Yet again another update that worsen the gamepad experience. almost impossible to walk with the new sistem stick always triggering the run

[vernal hare]

To be honest Im not sure why Echo Creek was removed as well, removing options from the player isnt very fun. It might be a more advantageous spawn, but I didn't think that the design philosophy of spawns was to have them all be the same

[cobalt harness]

clearly horses are more advantageous now in the long trip to that side of the map...

[vernal hare]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cobalt harness]

Echo Creek was a comfy spawn regardless, but not exactly entirely safe - maybe total zeds were lower than other spawns, but so was loot. Guns Unlimited being nearby with an absolute shit tons of zeds most of the time would have been interesting long-term if they started to re-populate Echo Creek en masse

[ornate crypt]

possible multiplayer bug on default sandbox settings, all zombies are fast shamblers on random speed settings

going to report it soon if i change it to different settings and get weird results

[grizzled hare]

I dont think echo creek was a great spawn for players cause theres not too many car spawns and its pretty remote
with bad RNG for newbie players you end up kinda trapped
its better as a visited location when staging to take for guns unlimited

[ornate crypt]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/93273-version-42160-multiplayer-zombie-speed-setting-is-broken-all-zombies-are-shamblers-regardless-of-speed-settings/

reported bug

basically all zombies right now are fast shamblers in multiplayer regardless of settings, slow shamblers can not exist rn as of this patch

[nimble zealot]

good point

why remove that type of "option/content"?

[tawny ocean]

curious why the echo creek spawn was removed was it unbalanced?

[loud sandal]

Echo Creek is a beautiful and cozy place to settle down, and served as a great place to test and validate new B42 features such as basements, animals, and crafting, as it contains many of the building blocks needed for those features. It will obviously still exist in the game, but now serves as a destination to aspire to rather than a starting off point.

[acoustic flame]

where do you guys get the detailed update log

[loud sandal]

first post in the thread you're commenting on

click "jump to top" in the top right

[acoustic flame]

o i see, i just read the blogs

[balmy galleon]

anyone knows if this update is compatible with the last one with RV interiors and Filibuster Rhymes' Certified Used Cars? I have a save in the 42.15.3 and I would like to update to new version

[loud sandal]

the post you're commenting on explains this

[urban kernel]

Bluetooth-shoves while holding a firearm
LOOLL

[median path]

I go there for chickens and the farming store since its more easily accessible over the one in irvington

[balmy galleon]

As always it is recommended that you create a new save with no mods after updates. Updates fix bugs and introduce new changes that may not be compatible with any older saves

yes but I think is not clear about it 'may not be compatible' means maybe works maybe not? For that i'm asking if somebody tryed it

[loud sandal]

that is just the first sentence mate

Not trying to make this harder on you

[balmy galleon]

ahh ok, I will see, thanks!

[spare garnet]

thats like the 10th of your "Tomorrow, trust"

[upbeat hamlet]

"-- Removed unused Zombie Door Opening % in Apocalypse, Outbreak, Rising that was causing confusion"
I wanna know who was confused by this...
I knew what it meant, and made sure it was turned off LOL

[median path]

oh was it on by default or something? lol

[upbeat hamlet]

In B42.15 : "Random Door Opening Amount - Normal"

[median path]

lol

[granite owl]

Does anyone else feel like veteran buff was too OP?

[muted vapor]

How much of a modpocalypse are we seeing in 42.16 aside from any map mods that include UI menu changes or mods that override professions (if at all)?

[muted vapor]

No

In terms of meta anyone who'd want to pick Veteran would do better to just go for Police Officer instead

[granite owl]

Yeah but thats 2 traits that you cant get any other way (I believe). And not having to worry about discomfort? Seems pretty meta

It just removes 2 debilitating moodles.

[median path]

why police officer? i have never taken either of them

[bleak umbra]

after looking through the rebalances in-game... this, really, really does not fix any of the balance issues that the profession system had. i would argue it's even worse in some cases

see: doctor going from +2 points for +3 first aid, +1 short blade, changing to -2 points for +6 first aid, +1 short blade

like. first aid is genuinely a near-pointless skill. its only real, practical use is shortening the time broken bones take to heal. it is by no means worth a four point deduction, even remotely

park ranger got nerfed by losing a weapon skill in exchange for a point each in tracking (does nothing), knapping (who cares), and first aid (lmao)

and lumberjack and burger flipper sit completely unchanged, not taking a single nerf while the professions that nobody ever used anyways get worse

[median path]

i think you should try them

[bleak umbra]

try them how? unless there's secret profession unlocks not visible in character creation, things pretty much are what they show on that screen

besides like, known recipes at start and all that, which are... of dubious use, most of the time

my biggest complaint in the profession balancing, welder, is still a -6 despite offering nothing coming even close to justifying it

[long marsh]

any major bugs yet? Like invincible zoms or stripping naked? 😄

[bleak umbra]

veteran got a decent buff with the change to desensitised, that one's alright, but almost nothing character-creation-wise besides that really... improved at all.

positive update overall, of course, there's a lot of good changes in here, i'm just... extremely disappointed by the long awaited profession rebalance fixing almost none of my issues with it

[muted vapor]

Nimble is one if not the most important skill in this game

[median path]

im saying instead of just reading the changes play the game and then come back to report and see how it is

[full ravine]

stripping naked seems to still be in the game

[bleak umbra]

i mean. fwiw i have over a thousand hours, i know what various skill levels are and do and unless they shadowdropped a first aid rework, it's still a worthless skill

[long marsh]

NOOOO

[acoustic flame]

what triggers the strip naked bug

[long marsh]

Wait... willingly or unwillingly?

[bleak umbra]

to be clear i'm not just reading the patchnotes, i booted up the game and am looking through the character creation menu to see the point costs and skills and etc of everything

[cunning magnet]

would you be able to elaborate? what happened?

[dark frigate]

so are the next upcoming updates will just be bug fixing and balancing? no new content?

[bleak umbra]

i'm very happy to explain why i find the balance of professions off still, trust me when i say i'm not just knee-jerk responding to changes

like. okay, let me compare blacksmith with lumberjack, for example

[median path]

that would help them i think

[cunning magnet]

it's clear your answers come from a place of passion, but i'd recommend to make a forum post for better visibility

[median path]

[north fossil]

If cat eyes is gonna cost more, it should come with the benefit of not needing light for like, half the recipies >.>

[full ravine]

hitting zombies seems to still have a chance to strip me naked, just happened to me tho but the rate seems to have lessened

[snow surge]

do we know if Motion Sickness got fixed with this round of trait updates?

[cunning magnet]

do you mind if i ask a few more questions in order to replicate?
was it a fresh save? was it modded? was it single player? where you using a specific set of equips or weapons? did you have bandaged wounds?

[untold locust]

Er... I've found a bug; I'm not quite sure how, but somehow I managed to get 20 points just by selecting 'unemployed'

[full ravine]

fresh save, multiplayer and modded. It just happened to me rn first I was using a hockey stick and now a dull cleaver knife. I did have a bunch of bandaged wounds

[untold locust]

Or was it always 20 points?

[white sedge]

Agreed.

[cunning magnet]

unfortunately mods, even small ones, can have cascade effects on bugs that are impossible to predict, would you be able to get it to happen on a pure vanilla setting?

[bleak umbra]

LUMBERJACK: +0 points
+2 Axe
+1 Maintenance
+1 Strength
Trait: Axe-pert

this profession is extremely good- it's on the cheaper end of professions, given most professions start you with negative points (something i would argue should change, in fact) and gives you the baseline of any good build (a weapon skill + maintenance) on top of a small boost to a universally-useful physical skill. on top of that, it gets a completely unique trait to boost the swing speed of axes, increasing the combat efficacy even further. this is a good profession in terms of giving something valuable, but in comparison to how everything else is balanced, it's far too cheap.

BLACKSMITH -6 points
+4 Metalworking
+1 Short Blunt
+1 Maintenance
Recipes: Blacksmithing Recipes

at its core, this seems like it would be similarly good to lumberjack- it has that extremely useful weapon skill + maintenance combo, same as lumberjack. however, the smithing buffs it gives you are of... dubious use. yes, you level blacksmithing faster, but the difficult part of blacksmithing isn't raising the skill so much as it is creating a forge and getting the resources you need to start. once you have the resources for a forge, you're likely to already have the books and even if you don't, levelling the skill consumes almost solely wood/charcoal and isn't hard to raise. on top of that, it doesn't give a unique boost to smithing the way that lumberjack does axe-wielding, and the cost is patently absurd in comparison to lumberjack. you can gain almost the full benefit of taking this profession by selecting a different profession, then taking the 'blacksmith knowledge' trait on top of that, only losing two blacksmithing levels (unneeded, two is more than enough to level quickly) and the short blunt level in exchange for a significant number of points, and regaining the opportunity cost of only being able to select one profession

[cunning magnet]

any chance you tried to click on other profession or took on and off some traits?

[bleak umbra]

notable point, too many professions are rendered pointless by their miniature trait versions often being cheaper and offering the same or nearly the same benefits, on top of freeing up your profession slot to take a harder-to-get-from-traits combat boost

[full ravine]

will do, some mods are definitely messing with our playthrough since its giving us 2500+ error warnings on the bottom right. will try to clip if it happens again

edit: im assuming vehicle mods(ki5) have a chance to mess with the game as well?

[median path]

Thats a lot of good info , Id do what Misake suggested and make a forum post on tis forums so it doesn't get lost in here

https://tenor.com/view/bullish-bullish-af-buy-buy-moar-crypto-gif-13440633521959936853

or steam forums lol

[bleak umbra]

i really should sometime, the profession balance is something i've been very vocal about for a long time, but i held off making a full post about it because of the promised profession rebalance in the future

which, on its arrival, uh. yknow.

[median path]

yay info collection

[untold locust]

Yes I was looking at the various changes to traits and professions, and suddenly I noticed that the ‘unemployed’ had 20 points (on its own); I don’t think it have that many points, did it?

[cunning magnet]

yeah, there's currently a bug with occupations that under certain circumstances will raise your points unnaturally

[untold locust]

OK, I'm glad it's already known

[cunning magnet]

just wanted to make sure it was the same cause, you never know

[untold locust]

Oh, and also, the Park Ranger profession gives you the Herbalist trait, but you can remove it

[cunning magnet]

yeah that's the trigger

[untold locust]

A hotfix is coming....

[quick edge]

Yo---- I got here off the link about discssion around controller functionality---- I am not a fan of the "auto run" if I move my right stick and I am trying to find if there is a way to revert the controller functionality back to the previous version. (Without going back to .15)

[delicate ravine]

interesting update

[worldly raven]

Where do the devs want controller feedback?

[median path]

i would put it on their TIS forums

you can do steam forums too but it might get buried right now since theyre throwing tantrums lol

[worldly raven]

They specifically asked for people to join their discord to give controller feedback in their last Steam News post. They even gave a discord link but it only goes to the main discord.

[shy slate]

Controller feedback will always be on the forums.

As even the QA team will look over them.

[unkempt knoll]

Here is fine

Forums even better

[shy slate]

Well then, the Gods have spoken.

[median path]

[unkempt knoll]

I heard em too, thought it was the weather

[worldly raven]

For controllers, the melee is much better. It’s faster and the cursor doesn’t move as far. For aiming however, it does not feel good. You have to half press the trigger to get into aiming mode and full press to fire. A full press will also auto-fire so it’s very finicky and awkward. The auto-walk to run is also not great. I spend more time walking in PZ rather than running/sprinting so always having to be careful not to press the joystick fully in one direction feels bad. Just exploring a house feels hard to do as I’m constantly running and wasting calories doing so. I think it would be good if we could map our controller like KB&M. All said, I still really appreciate the work you guys are doing to add more controller support.

[muted vapor]

@unkempt knoll By the way, I have noticed that you guys have been pretty explicit about saying that saves created before 42.16 will not be compatible, and I think that in the last patches, this was never stated in this manner.

Could you possibly shed some light as to why this was explicitly stated? I've noticed a couple people showing saves that were brought over and well... Their game seems to be running

[little sigil]

my echo creek run i started 2 days ago is dead now lmao

[muted vapor]

Did your save break on conversion?

[little sigil]

no im just not allowed to load it because echo creek supposedly isnt installed now

[crimson flint]

its crazy what indi stone devs are doing. Patch speed increased a lot. With this speed i hope we get stable build 42 in summer

[muted vapor]

Huh? Isn't your character already spawned in? Echo Creek is still on the map, is it not? It's just the spawn location that was removed

[little sigil]

yeah and i cant load it now

[muted vapor]

wdym 'load it' dawg

[little sigil]

the continue button

i cant load the save

[muted vapor]

Meaning this?

[muted vapor]

Ohh I see

That's quite an easy fix I think

[median path]

need to make new game

[loud sandal]

Are you on the outdatedunstable steam beta or on unstable.

IMPORTANT: B42.15 and earlier saves will not be compatible with B42.16+ builds.
If you wish to continue a 42.15 savegame, please select the "outdatedunstable" Steam beta and make a local backup of your game.

[little sigil]

i do not go to old updates

[median path]

what does pz bullet mean

[muted vapor]

You just need to go into your save files (.ini and lua spawn one) and remove the 'Echo Creek' map and the spawn location @little sigil

[loud sandal]

sorry, thought you wanted to continue that game

[worldly raven]

I think it is a map change thing. Removing the Echo Creek spawn is probably like removing a mod. It’s changing all the map info and this is making saves incompatible. That would be my guess.

[little sigil]

i think imma just start a new save

[little sigil]

i did want to, but i dont want to anymore

[loud sandal]

yep best approach

[muted vapor]

This is what I'm thinking now

[loud sandal]

understandable

[cunning magnet]

as far as i understand, the main thought behind this was that sometimes in a pinch you might benefit from discharging instantly, also the trigger is supposed to activate on the last % of the trigger while it seems to trigger at about 3/4, would fixing that help the experience and would the feature to be able to discharge be useful? same goes for jogging, it's supposed to trigger only at the very end of the movement stick

[muted vapor]

Meaning that MP saves might not break because on default they don't seem to include the Echo Creek spawn

[sharp gull]

Good to know. 😄 Is this what is typically done for aiming on controllers outside of the FPS games?

[forest hamlet]

i need me a new mod that adds it back ong

[loud sandal]

yeah I feel like this is thought up from someone who primarily played FPS or TPS games on a controller but it ends up feeling way too awkward in a game as pz

[cunning magnet]

it's a bit of an athypical situation, as this game needs way more inputs than most controller supported games, so we also need to free a button for aiming that wasn't right stick

[worldly raven]

Okay, I can see the reasoning behind the change. However, what makes PZ so fun to play with a controller is that there are no half-presses required until now. Playing it as a twin stick shooter is fun but now having to half press feels awkward.

[cunning magnet]

fair concern, would pushing for it to trigger only at the very end of the push make it more satisfying?

[ancient stag]

So sad, in my opinion the Extinction preset has gone from super original to boring and basic...

[loud sandal]

How so?

[smoky forge]

After adding Echo Creak even my modded save works fine

So removing EC was a bad and rushed decision

[median path]

They told us why they removed it in a blog post

[smoky forge]

I know but it doesn't make sense to me

[worldly raven]

I don’t think so. I think I would prefer adding an extra button rather than half-pressing. Like sprinting used to be. Could you make it so aiming with left bumper held would put you into aiming mode, unpressed left bumper would keep you in melee?

[vernal hare]

Unfortunately I have to agree, removing EC as a spawn is a really strange decision

[median path]

I think it gives players a goal to find a base near there especially for Guns unlimited being near that place

[vernal hare]

The map is so large, so more spawns lets you find more places without long expeditions

[indigo helm]

yeah but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
Decreased spawn variety

[cunning magnet]

left bumper is needed for shoving, there's no other way to do that on command

basically we have input options constraint

[indigo helm]

The people want Echo Creek spawn back! Rahhhhhh

[median path]

what town would you like to have if it was an option to spawn in?

march ridge lol

[vernal hare]

I just liked how it was a spawn in the middle of nowhere

[smoky forge]

As for the controller feedback, the movement is not that bad. I think it's possible to get used to it but aiming needs a lot of work. Currently it takes too much time to aim when in this game I cannot afford to spend 10 seconds trying to aim at a lone zombie

[indigo helm]

Hmm. Well Ekron seems OP.
Brandenburg+Irvington as spawns kinda makes sense?

[vernal hare]

Keeping all the spawns in more urban towns is less dynamic

[median path]

penisham lake!

[indigo helm]

Then we have the "major towns" as spawns....but yeah like @vernal hare said that feels samey....Echo Creek offered some nice, thematic variety to a playthrough start

[smoky forge]

The problem is that people go to Guns Unlimited, loot it and never come back again to that area. Spawning in Echo Creek may be safe in the beginning but there is not a lot of stuff to do so you want to move out pretty quickly

[vernal hare]

Yeah, that was the draw. I want a simple place to get simple supplies then move out from

[dapper plinth]

peak

They fixed all the biggest bugs finally

[hollow parrot]

The people also want sleep on Toilets back raaahh!

[blazing eagle]

lol, tantrums about what? xD
I'm curious but going there will definitely ruin my mood I bet

[worldly raven]

Left bumper while holding a gun is to rack it, left trigger is to shove/pistol whip. I think it could work making left bumper the aiming mode button.

[median path]

never go there on big updates like this lol

[cunning magnet]

worth looking into, thanks for the feedback

[worldly raven]

Thanks for listening! We really appreciate all the hard work you all are doing.

[dapper plinth]

Did you fix the performance loss when you have tons of items yet

I heard it still affected people last patch

I dont see it listed in the notes

[blazing eagle]

I'd love a Brandenburg or Irvington spawn point if not for Echo Creek coming back. I don't really mind Echo Creek being removed specifically, but imo there should be at least one spawn point in that western part of the map

[median path]

yah it would be nice for a spawn point over there i love that sector side of the mappy

[blazing eagle]

Oh, yeah, I already do that with the subreddit too xD
3-4 days of not checking there until the dust has settled haha

[median path]

LOL , i dont even go to the reddit, id rather go to steam forums.

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-gif-16016774867211262703

[vernal hare]

Hmmm I gotta be honest, really not liking the way that moving feels on controller

It is way to easy to start sprinting out of nowhere, and Im not sure why doors open automatically when you move towards them

Door auto opening should be an accessibility feature

Also, changing the iso cusor to start at the chest is making it way more difficult to aim to the left or the right. I have my joystick all the way straight left and my character is aiming down and to the left

[median path]

yah i just launched steam deck and the auto door opening i dont really care for, but now its not doing it, i have no idea what i did when i button mashed. I do like the auto run thing thats nice

[vernal hare]

I personally think that right trigger to run was a much better solution

I was always in control of when I could attack and when I could run, Im not sure why they changed it

Now I feel way less in control

[median path]

i think it helps my wrist fatigue i play a lot of 12 months later so i do a lot of walking and running

also can you move when you open inventory?

[acoustic wigeon]

no

veteran gives better gun stats, immunity to panic, immunity to discomfort (which removes one pretty big source of unhappiness iirc)

[vernal hare]

I think making it an accessibility feature would be best

[median path]

yar

[acoustic wigeon]

if you want to wear armor / masks / etc, veteran can pretty much just ignore the debuffs

[median path]

I really like it, but i can see how it can be a issue for players

[delicate vessel]

Can't wait for the next controller hotfix!

Honestly melee combat has been pretty bad for a while.

At first I was waiting for melee attacks to stop passing through zombies. That's all that was needed.

Now you can't move while aiming.
There's no jog button, you have to tilt the stick halfway now apparently.
And there's a useless melee reticule now that I can't hide.

I kinda wonder if melee attack still pass through zombies? idk I haven't played much since the 42.15 update broke melee combat on controllers.

[long marsh]

the melee pass through on zoms seemed to have been resolved on 42.15.2 or 3 for me. The next scary bug was stripping while fighting and being so overweight that you could barely move.

i'm praying both bugs are stomped and there are no new potential game stoppers of bugs.

[daring fossil]

Does anyone know how to properly activate the sprinters?

[dusty ginkgo]

Oh hi there

[molten schooner]

Hey , first of all huge respect for the incredible and tireless work The Indie Stone has been putting into Project Zomboid over the years — it really shows.

I wanted to ask something quickly: are there any plans to evolve zombie behavior toward more dynamic, large-scale roaming hordes?

Right now, even with sandbox tuning, zombie movement can feel a bit local and slow over time, especially in more remote areas. Mods like Living Hordes, Hordes Alpha show how impactful itinerant groups crossing the map can be for immersion and tension.

Just curious if something along those lines is being considered for the future 🙂

[ornate crypt]

I know this isn’t an official answer, but this mod might change your life

I personally have used in it b41

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2983905789

I have tried other horde mods, this one feels the most organic

And a lot more flexible

[snow surge]

probably a dumb question but do we have a sense of how much is still "to be done" before 42mp stable? feels kind of cautiously optimistic since there havent been any really game/progression breaking bugs left afaik 🤔

[terse totem]

nice to see DDOS protection

[vernal hare]

I think its closer than we think, but might still be a bit

[snow surge]

yeah for sure, i appreciate that they're keeping "outdatedunstable" around though so i dont have to make a new world for my server every couple weeks lol

[hollow parrot]

I still think its gonna launch within the next 2 months or so

And then 43 unstable in december! Hopefully

[vernal hare]

Lets not get crazy haha

Maybe!

[median path]

probably a year after its finished lol

yes yes

time flies way too fast like how is it already april

[cobalt harness]

stable surely will be released before 3rd of June because reasons

[ornate crypt]

Is this cope or ball

[cobalt harness]

personal hunch because in my headcanon Sully would magically be petty enough to delay bows in order to release stable faster so I lose a bet, to Sully

not only I would lose a bet, but I would also become...like Sully and the rest of the crazy people who delve into programming as a skill

[acoustic wigeon]

a couple more updates give or take

they've scaled it down a bit and are putting out more updates at a faster rate, and it seems like the current systems are maturing for a 2026 release 🙂

(when in 2026 idk)

[acoustic flame]

decemba

[delicate ravine]

update ruined my current world unable to play.

[acoustic flame]

probably because they removed echo creek me thinks

[delicate ravine]

RIP echo creek

time to start a new world then since it corrupted many current saves

[acoustic flame]

you could probably wait for a hotfix to have that issue adressed, the towns still on the map just not a spawnpoint anymore

[tawny ocean]

odd that removing a spawn would kill a save

[delicate ravine]

I started off in Rosewood.

Echo Creek was too easy thats why its been removed?

[acoustic flame]

from what i hear, it had a great base location which would discourage venturing for new players

but i never bothered to spawn there

[abstract spindle]

I visited a creek in Echo Creek just now and you could hear small whispers and faint echos that say “why did you remove Echo Creek as a spawn location?”

[delicate ravine]

Echo creek wasn't a bad location to spawn in.

[acoustic flame]

SchizophrenicWolf?

[abstract spindle]

On Wednesday, they’ll “accidentally” make Louisville the only spawn location

[acoustic flame]

louisville sucks

too much ground to cover

i never feel safe until i clear every building in my town

[dusty ginkgo]

hopefully one day they add random spawn so I don't have to use a mod

[acoustic flame]

random spawn but you spawn in the sky and die on impact smh

[dusty ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[indigo spindle]

update is

[dusty ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

you've been forgetting something

I have a really cool one too that I have been holding onto

[sick hill]

Please make the controller bindings configurable for the players. The newly combined walking/running on the left stick is a horror for me.

[dawn night]

I wonder when the stable version of B42 will be released

[dusty ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/low-expectations-gif-19977996

[acoustic flame]

stable releases once i solve an entire book of bingo cards

[open sorrel]

Hmm, no clay tiles now?

Same place on mp server had a lot of it here

Ok, I have some clay but 10 time less than last time lol

[supple spade]

omg rip my 2 week save bc of the echo creek thing </3

[dusty ginkgo]

Opt into outdatedunstable to go back to 42.15.2

And keep playing just know that when 42.17 comes out outdatedunstable will go to 42.16

[wide turret]

Is it just me or many gear pieces make the player character invisible?

[knotty solstice]

FUCK

[balmy galleon]

Can someone explain to me why I have a Minecraft save that is 4 or 5 years old and still works perfectly with all the updates they’ve released over the years, but I have a Project Zomboid save that I started a month ago and it already doesn’t work with the latest update they released today?

[abstract spindle]

TIGS clearly puts more time and effort into MC than PZ it seems

[median path]

You usually have to make new worlds on mc large updates, just like pz

[dusty ginkgo]

minecraft updates: ok we are going to add a new animal, get exciting!

[median path]

Lol

[dusty ginkgo]

pz: ok we revamped literally everything in the game

[median path]

I was apart of a mc community before i found this better one and every update they always had to wipe the server

[median path]

Is that a mc skin lol

[dusty ginkgo]

🧡

[median path]

I want it!!!

[balmy galleon]

I don't know, I just can tell you that I have a realms for four or five years ago and still works perfectly

A realms save, not always active, just we play some months and stop to play, and after some months play again..

[dusty ginkgo]

which would have been around the time the last major change was to anything, which would have been the caves & cliffs update

pretty much everything after that has been very limited in scope

[abstract spindle]

yeah lol I downloaded a few others too from a MC skin website

[balmy galleon]

Ok but revamp one time not every three weeks 😂 😅

[dusty ginkgo]

it's an unstable build

[median path]

Yah but thats also non beta mc isnt it ?

[dusty ginkgo]

yyaaaaa

[median path]

Dude im tottally chabging my skin that i have had since 2010 now hahahha

[dusty ginkgo]

2011 was when minecraft went 1.0

no matter how you look at it people will be upset. you take too long people get annoyed, you release too frequently people get annoyed

[balmy galleon]

Jeje okk, I hope they release soon an estable versión, so we can play many years without loosing our saves

[median path]

man youre lucky you were here for build 41 unstable lol

we couldnt even plan a fart before a update came out

https://tenor.com/view/yas-cotton-candy-girl-sugar-rush-hyper-kid-excited-gif-11758657

[dusty ginkgo]

true

[median path]

lol

[abstract spindle]

lol there's xenomorph and puppers/dog skins too

[dusty ginkgo]

early 41 people would rage because they would release a hotfix and the modders would have to update to make it compatible

[median path]

wait where do we get

wait xenomorpjh? lol

[median path]

yes lol , i remember having a server and sleeping and the turds being in different timezones were like PUPPERS FIX SERVER while i was asleep cause a mod updated

i had like 10 mods on there like frick

[dusty ginkgo]

yuuuuuup

[median path]

where do i get it!! and the spiffo one lol

[dusty ginkgo]

OR modders updating too frequently and then you would have to fix the server constantly

I have been using the same skin on minecraft for like 16 years now lol

[abstract spindle]

be sure you're playing Java version
(1) https://www.minecraftskins.com/search/skin/spiffo/1/
(2) https://www.minecraftskins.com/search/skin/xenomorph/1/

[median path]

yay thnx

[median path]

LOL

that is a long time

[abstract spindle]

you should troll your friends with a zombie or creeper skin and MC soundboard

[median path]

https://tenor.com/view/goodafternoon-kevin-gif-8109242413977122335

[dusty ginkgo]

jean luc picard skin ftw

[abstract spindle]

🧡

[median path]

lol executive officer of radishes

[dusty ginkgo]

that is this kid

tng episode disaster (episode 5 season 5)

[median path]

LOL YES

[dusty ginkgo]

yea I am such a nerd

[wraith osprey]

The new controller rework is terrible. I want to just use my left thumbstick to walk only. My character was running everywhere and fatigued almost instantly

[alpine heron]

Hi! I don't know where to post this, so I'll post it here. The problem is in the game. Multiplayer. The game and mod settings window in multiplayer is too small (in single-player it's large and there are no problems). This causes a problem: some mods cannot be configured because their text doesn't fit in the window. Again, the settings window in single-player is fine and everything is OK. (Font size settings, etc., don't change anything there.) Please make the game settings window in multiplayer full-screen, like in single-player. Thank you for your attention! If I wrote this in the wrong place, please write it somewhere the developers can read it! Someone. 🙏

[dusty ginkgo]

!bugreport

[merry steppe]

Your report on Discord might end up being lost to the void. Please report bugs on our forums or Steam:

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/6/

Please be sure to follow our Bug Reporting Guide to ensure the team receive all necessary information to investigate your issue. https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/43261-bug-reporting-guide-updated-05082025/

[dusty ginkgo]

that is your best bet, otherwise it will get lost in discord

[undone vine]

strange visual bug, anyone else getting this?

appears to be the bathtub clipping through the wall a bit

[median path]

lol can you right click on it and fill up someting from the other side?

[undone vine]

nope, seems to be a rendering bug only.

I have mods though so they won't accept my bug report. Their loss!

but this is the ammo house in the muldraugh gated community just south of the medical center

if anyone wants to check for themselves

[foggy oyster]

So about the "- Removed Echo Creek from Spawn Selection" part of this update. They are mostly talking about singleplayer right?

It never was a default option in the dedicated servers I spun up & always had to add it myself. Is that still true?

Also if I was on the outdatedunstable beta version why is their still a update on my steam page if the new update is for unstable beta?

[low hemlock]

I don't play on controller, but I have a buddy who's been using it forever and he's pretty annoyed with the auto run change they made for analog movement, without an option to revert back to the old way. Idk if this is the channel for that kind of feedback but I felt like it should be mentioned, I've seen other controller players mention it also

[young stream]

hey so i was redirected here - since a few people got annoyed with me asking questions that were presumably answered prior in the chat - Can we PLEASE get echo creek back as a spawn? I am not moaning, but just baffled as to why it was removed, thank you 🙂

Also may i ask people to stop dog-piling and insulting people who haven't spent all day on discord and are just asking polite questions

[indigo helm]

I, too would like Echo Creek back as a spawn location

it feels odd, having none of the western town be available from the start. Maybe that's the vision, only being able to start in the center

but I don't love the removal of variety+player choice :[

[young stream]

same, considering its a game that promotes player choice and agency, with tons of options, removing it on the basis of it being a place to aspire to get to, seems a bit of an odd choice. I liked it because it was a closer spot to Irvington and Ekron - it should just be optional

[median path]

random spawn anywhere on the left side of map!

[young stream]

i mean everyone plays the game differently, i don't think ive ever heard of anyone aspiring to GET to echo creek

[foggy oyster]

Are we talking singleplayer here?

[young stream]

for me yes

only speaking for myself ofc

[foggy oyster]

That's what I was guessing. I play on a server with buds so luckily I've always had to manual add that spawn area myself

[young stream]

I mean if they remove EC at least give us Irvington or Ekron as a replacement?

[foggy oyster]

I'm more curious on why if I was already on the outdatedunstable version to prevent these random updates effecting me quickly. Why does steam show theirs a update? xD

[dusty ginkgo]

I do because it is how I push to guns unlimited 😅

[manic dove]

They shouldn't have removed Echo Creek; as a spawn point for new players, it could have been a good place to start. Oh well, I guess they know what they're doing.

[young stream]

I prefer the gun range at Irvington - far, far less zeds there and tons of guns and ammo

[median path]

theres so many zombers there whenever i go there to irvington , feel like its easier to control going to guns limited

but that jerky store is loverly

[young stream]

Hopefully Indiestone will at least put the spawn back into sandbox mode if nothing else?

[median path]

the kidney stone

[dusty ginkgo]

In 42.15 I went to every single gun store and brought it all back to muldraugh 😅

[indigo helm]

Here's to hoping.

[dusty ginkgo]

The corner store

[timber geode]

We'll see a mod in a couple hours lol

[young stream]

apparently it exists already according to b42 chat

my point is... we shouldn't 'need' a mod though

[timber geode]

Nice. Spawn mods can be made in under and hour so it was a matter of time

[timber geode]

Fair enough... Maybe not Echo Creek since it's and extremely small and rural area, but I'd like a spawn point in Ekron or the other towns

[young stream]

yeah Ekron or Irvington would be ace

[median path]

im actually surprised cause i only ever saw people complain about echo creek

[young stream]

genuine question, but what was the complaint?

too easy?

[median path]

a lot of people say there wasnt anything there, but i thought it was a great place

[timber geode]

Those towns are kinda similar to the other spawn towns. Echo Creek was so... Tiny and boring

[young stream]

It's perfect for new players or those who want a slightly more chilled starting point

[timber geode]

I see why the devs don't want the first impression of the game to be Echo Creek

[young stream]

we shouldn't be punished for that

[young stream]

true, but there's what... 4-5 other spawns?

[timber geode]

Yes, but those towns are way more interesting with almost anything you could ever need

New players can stay in the spawn town without feeling they are missing something. Can't do the same with Echo Creek so it isn't a really valid spawn location. Like Fallas Lake

[young stream]

again... true... but... giving options to players is a good thing no? maybe they could have some text on the spawn icon with a difficulty rating?

[wraith heron]

I start every run custom, naked and afraid with just fast read and xp gain.

[median path]

yah i liked it

[desert obsidian]

@indigo spindle

[indigo helm]

Agreed, we could at least have one of the other Westside towns replace Echo Creek as a spawn point
Spawn selection feels so empty, being back to 4 towns

Irvington+Brandenburg being added to vanilla spawn selection might be nice, feels more in line with where TIS currently allows us to spawn

[dusty ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/glorious-omg-wow-wonderful-fountain-gif-13127581348567919657

Ohh that means

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-zoidberg-hooray-imuseful-fantastic-gif-21331751

[indigo spindle]

Now I need to know who pressed that backspace key!!! I must thank them for their hard work!!!

[dusty ginkgo]

[desert obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-excited-this-guy-two-thumbs-jim-gif-14850417969904358366

[undone vine]

more clipping issues. I swear this wasn't an issue on the previous version.

[ornate crypt]

Despite some minor flaws in singleplayer and some bug in multiplayer that have prohibited my playstyle on multiplayer

im REALLY liking the direction indiestone is going with everything

im sure in the upcoming development that more balancing will happen

but i REALLY REALLY love the fact sprinters are part of one of the game modes now

and that they are recieving lots of love, like the sprinter sound changes and overall im honestly happy to be back exploring b42 again

[vernal hare]

'Why thing no work like other unrelated thing? Is thing stupid?'

[undone vine]

yep, not exclusive to that house.

[lucid moss]

how likely is it that 42.15.3 will be added as a legacy version?

[undone vine]

I doubt it. It was buggier than this version, and 42.15 was after they borked a bunch of mods

so people with old mod versions would rather stay on 42.14

(42.14 was also less buggy than 42.15)

[low ledge]

fire update

[lucid moss]

still, i have a 6 month long multiplayer run going thats stuck in 42.15.3

[short charm]

Did the new update fix random sprinters in MP

[ornate crypt]

no

only fast shamblers are a thing in MP, not even slow shamblers exist

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/93273-version-42160-multiplayer-zombie-speed-setting-is-broken-all-zombies-are-shamblers-regardless-of-speed-settings/

[verbal ridge]

You can one shot people with guns???

The fuck? I’ve been shot by a npc in the head by a m16 and had nothing happen

[vernal hare]

Thats a mod, not the base game

[verbal ridge]

Damage values don’t really change

[vernal hare]

They could

[verbal ridge]

A gunshot from a npc isn’t different than a gunshot from a human player

[ornate crypt]

new bug found

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/93351-42160-sprinters-are-again-sometimes-mute-in-b42-which-was-fixed-in-a-previous-patch-but-now-is-happening-again/ old bug back in again

[north slate]

reading animation is bugged when sitting. doesnt turn pages

[median path]

despair

[violet ether]

wearing a satchel visually breaks your pants

[north slate]

at least this one is funny

[violet ether]

yes but horrible for my OCD cause I see that like why the hell am I still wearing these?
more just a visual thing, nothing game breaking

[north slate]

we suffer together

[raw ember]

@unkempt knoll @sand willow any chance of a hot fix for this exploit? It's pretty game-breaking for multiplayer communities unfortunately;

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1s8xf78/bug_report_infinite_trait_points_exploit_v_42160/?share_id=1F3YvgR_h9J62C--1ZO-o

[dim viper]

hey me and some of the other guys in pz_b42_chat were thinking, could you guys implement something along the lines of the desenzitization system for armor!?!

[thorny saddle]

this update sucks for anyone using controller absolutely unplayable

[north slate]

i dont use controller what was the worst thing they changed

[violet ether]

this is new since update. pretty bare on weaponary

[vernal hare]

You're ignoring the large amount of weapons and ammo on the wall

[median path]

lol echo greek

can we have olives

[dusty ginkgo]

Hahaha echo greek

Excellent

[delicate ravine]

we need echo creek spawn location to return pls

[hidden dawn]

Removing echo creek as a spawn location and continuing to nerf some of the only viable negative traits instead of reworking the others? Great update

[delicate ravine]

we got Echo Creek spawn removal before GTA 6.

[median path]

get your olives out

[shy slate]

Looks like Echo Creek spawn removal is due to player feedback...

[median path]

yes lol

[violet ether]

you've obviously not been to Stendo's in some time, usually it's packed with guns on the wall.

[vernal hare]

They're on the wall, you just dont have 3D models on

[violet ether]

few days ago on previous run before update, it had multiple of the new guns, on this update, I found 1 MSR7T rifle, and 1 L94 rifle, rest was pistols, and some ammo of course. It used to have so much it was unreal, fantastic start. not it's bare bones

[north slate]

save echo creek ✊

https://tenor.com/view/ready-player-one-tracer-gif-10863605

Power to the players

[shy slate]

Well, Reddit community is head over heels mad on why spawn point got removed....

[north slate]

Tbf the reasoning was pretty weak

[iron fjord]

The sprites almost make that more obvious too 😂

[ornate crypt]

Known bug rn

[north slate]

Ok thanks

[thorny saddle]

cant open inventory while moving same with equipping weapons radial menu is busted too its so bad now they should've just left it alone

[thorny saddle]

oh and instead of holding down the trigger running is based on how far you move the joystick its so stupid

[near fable]

Finally~ no more car underground bug

Glad the clothing bug is fixed, but the magazine reload bug is still broken. The mag doesn't drop on the ground.. it just disappears completely after reloading.

[median path]

When are they not

[north slate]

True

[balmy sinew]

Please fix this. Because of this change many people don't play PZ since 42.13. The most stupid thing that could happen to PZ. Game is unplayable, especially in LV with sprinters. Thank you in advance!
https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1pszq40/any_way_to_revert_this/

[wind rain]

I think desensitized removing discomfort is the best change to occupations I’ve seen, i can finally wear a work helmet and not get crippling depression

Then again i really don’t pay attention to any other occupations besides lumberjack and veteran

[north slate]

Echo creek thread has 1000 upvotes lol

[median path]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-wtf-i-guess-bro-man-i-guess-smh-gif-4106492938199795190

[sour anchor]

Does anyone know if the CDDA challenge is set to any of the presets or using a custom? Wanting to know before I dive in if respawns are on, etc.

[dusty ginkgo]

If I recall it is custom, and as of 42.15 respawns are still on, I couldn't tell you for 42.16

But I imagine it hasn't changed

[acoustic wigeon]

viable

literally free points

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-food-eating-cat-eating-gif-1320502635529344444

[slate plover]

from the blog post earlier i thought desensitized's extant function was getting replaced with the discomfort immunity. imagine my surprise as im reading the patch notes now and finding out that they gave a ridiculously strong buff to whats already the strongest occupation trait in the game. in a balance patch? Huh

[gaunt forge]

An action that has side effects (like running that makes you get tired) should never be tied to stick ranges. If you need to free a button for aiming (that IMHO is a mistake to rework the entire working controls to push an aiming system that do not provide enough appeal) would be better to just remove sprinting and use the sprinting key for aiming.

[normal hazel]

And i like this buff

[slate plover]

youre allowed to like it. it just doesnt exactly scream Balance to me when thats apparently the only way of gaining discomfort immunity

[sand willow]

We are aware of the issue. I'm not sure if a hotfix is planned, but the possibility for one is certainly open. Being investigated/evaluated.

[raw ember]

Thank you kindly. I know you're on holiday. Hope you're enjoying it. Thanks for the response. ❤️

[short charm]

Playing on steam deck, how the hell do I turn off auto run??

[supple spade]

thank you so much!

[delicate vessel]

you complain louder and hope they revert that change 🎮

[vernal hare]

Yeah, im really not a fan of auto run. I liked the trigger solution way more

[young stream]

The best way to get your point across is to downvote the new update in Steam and leave a temporary negative review until the spawn situation gets fixed. Otherwise the devs will not listen.

[young stream]

But remember to update the review when the spawn situation is fixed.

Just seen this on reddit, seems like a lame excuse:

'[Echo Creek] cannot contain all professions and the intent after that will be to have much better spawn points doubled with a <unannounced future feature> '

Yeah god forbid anyone live in the countryside eh? Also this goes against what the devs said int the blog, which states Echo Creek is a place people should 'aspire to get to' which is.... weird.

So two very different reasons, three if you include the idea that somehow players were complaining about it being a spawn location. This is just lazy, conflicting information.

[median path]

....

I really do not understand why some of you guys think review bombing solves anything. Maybe wait and see , i highly doubt tis does things for no reason. Especially with this community. They told us in a blog a day before why. Jeeze

[dim jay]

Or just report it in the bugs in the forms

I posted a bug 2 days ago, and it got fixed this update

[young stream]

three conflicting reasons.... and i never said review bomb, I said downvote and leave a temporary negative review.

[median path]

On pz?

[long marsh]

any annoying/major bugs noted on 42.16 yet?

[sour anchor]

unlimited starting points by picking ranger and removing herbalist, change profession then back to ranger then remmove herb XD

[vernal hare]

Lol no thats stupid

Review bombing is a pointless and awful tactic over something as trivial as removing a spawn location

[long marsh]

HAH, thats a clever one

[vernal hare]

Im coining this the 'stimulants' bug

[median path]

Kidney stone took my echo greek

[young stream]

ok i won't then

[young prairie]

guys b42 is releasing today

just kidding haha april fools

[wide garden]

I have been here since the conception of PZ in the Early 2000's when the sprites looked like aliens and honestly I can say the game is ruined for me now due to the controller update and many other players I know as well. I want this game to be amazing like I know it can be but the two steps forward and three steps back routine is getting old for me and with controller support effectively unplayable I just don't know if I can keep with PZ unless the controller re-config gets walked back or we are given an option to opt out of it in place for the B41 controller config which was controller support at it's peak for PZ. With much love and gratitude DM.

[wide garden]

If a town has a name it should have a spawn end of story, imo. But having a spawn point removed is the least of my concerns with this update.

[dusty ginkgo]

❤️

[smoky forge]

If a bug is reported on forums and there is no reply then is it acknowledged? I would assume so but I want to make sure it doesn't get lost

[dusty ginkgo]

if it isn't then you bump it or create a new one next patch

is what Sully told us to do

[smoky forge]

Okay, thanks

[ornate crypt]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/93441-4216-character-cannot-turn-into-zombie-upon-dying-despite-being-infected/

can anyone confirm if they are getting this bug i am reporting?

my characters never seem to turn into zombies

[dusty ginkgo]

❤️

[ornate crypt]

seems to happen even with instant infection aas well

[shy slate]

Do we have April Fool's in the game? Saw this online, and now I wanted to try playing this game.

Cars all flying around, crashing into zombies like GTA 5 999+ mph speed mod.

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1s9trnd/son/?ref=share&ref_source=link

Nevermind, looks like this might be caused by a mod.

Thought we're having a great April Fool's.

[ornate crypt]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3520758551

its apart of this mod for aprils fools

[indigo spindle]

Easily my greatest idea for a "new feature"

[ornate crypt]

damn seems no matter what you can never become a zombie

did all the sandbox settings tweaking and sadly the bug is there no matter what

https://tenor.com/view/strawberry-cat-domgcat-donkeycat-free-robux-vbucks-gif-9547401608137840178

[lusty gazelle]

hows the new controller support?

[rocky cloak]

Im not a fan of the new controller support

I heard it was supposed to change aiming but my aiming didnt seem very different at all, atleast not in any way which was noticible to me. Instead it messed up my movement controls. Before I could use my stick freely to walk around and then use trigger to run. Now both triggers are dedicated to bashing and only the stick and how far I push it affects my speed which is incredibly difficult to control and stressful when there is a large number of zombies behind you.

Maybe this isnt how it was intended to change? This is what happened to me after the update. Luckily using steam input I could force the controls to work how they used to, even though they techically are different now.

[gentle spear]

wtf, I look away for a few days and we're another numbered update

[sick owl]

What the actual heck happened to the controller setup

PLEASE tell me there's a way to revert to the old controller setup

[frank wyvern]

theres not unfortunately

[sick owl]

Well crap

[vernal hare]

I do really miss the trigger to run

[sick owl]

Yeah, and I can't move while looking at my inventory anymore

[delicate vessel]

https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/1488497275645722645
If you don't like the new aiming system, you are not alone. Most people seem to dislike it...

[abstract spindle]

!dance

[merry steppe]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[dusty ginkgo]

I knew people played with controller, I didn't realize there were so many though

People seem very upset

[delicate vessel]

Well the game is basically unplayable on the controller in it's current state so people have a right to be upset imo

[desert obsidian]

And some of us are putting in extra hours to help resolve it.

[delicate vessel]

YAY! We love you guys so much! 🎮

[delicate vessel]

Please keep up the good work!

[dusty ginkgo]

Not suggesting otherwise

It's more shock than anything

I would love if controller was more hot swappable so I could use it for driving and then be able to swap to KB+M for everything else

I have heard the past version was very good for driving

[delicate vessel]

I do that already, kinda. I use the controller for most things but I use my mouse for inventory management and a few other things. Been using the same setup for thousands of hours...

[vernal hare]

Glad to hear it! I know that it might be disheartening that the sentiment around the new controller scheme is pretty negative, but I think it warrants discussion

[delicate vessel]

I honestly think it's cool that controllers are getting some attention and some much needed tweaks but randomly changing the control scheme on a 13 year old game without any warning or way to opt-out is very jarring.

[dusty ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

it is 15 😉

[delicate vessel]

13 years on steam at least lol

[lusty gazelle]

is it me or you can no longer walk while opening menus. Steamdeck player here

[desert obsidian]

We're on it -- patience for just a bit longer, my friend.

[delicate vessel]

I believe TIS is working overtime to fix these issues rn...

[ornate crypt]

pz community

[lusty gazelle]

^^ i know. and I appreciate it so much. I was just suprised I just got back from the game after a very long while. just checking how its been ^^

[dusty ginkgo]

definitely, I just wanted to meme a bit 😄

[dusty ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[ornate crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-duck-cigarette-cigarette-duck-blunt-duck-smoke-duck-gif-4275462109028563488

[lusty gazelle]

Okay so been playing for a few minutes now on Steam Deck and right off the bat heres my observations on the new controller set up.

1. definitely an improvement on the previous version 42.15 i think.
2. problems with aiming while using melee weapons. holding the stick towards the right side seems to have a weird offset that causes you to miss zombies.
3. Unable to open menus and walk (which I think is being looked at by the team)

Overall UI's and everything else are really good improvements just the controller bit.

If I were to make a suggestion, perhaps revert to the orginal controller set up (b41 was the last controller set up i used). I wasn't really a gun person in PZ since and when the new aiming system was introduced I was genuinely worried that the game was pivoting towards a Mouse-Keyboard centered set up which will cause problems with controllers.

Nevertheless I hope the team can improve on this. ^^ Keep up the good work ^^

[delicate vessel]

#2 might be what this post was originally about...
https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/1488497275645722645

[abstract spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-classic-duck-classic-stan-twt-oxytocin01-gif-17289595272781846425

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

[ornate crypt]

😭

[dusty ginkgo]

Blueberry

been holding onto that one for like since march 17th lol

no one has posted the gif so I waited

[wide garden]

Thank you!

[dusty ginkgo]

theharber is too good to us

[ornate crypt]

im also suprised this isn't default

[ornate crypt]

hmmmm

[dusty ginkgo]

it was tasty

[abstract spindle]

🧡

[abstract spindle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/me-when-i-get-you-2

[desert obsidian]

"Resume normal speed..."? Pretty sure it's enabled by default for new players, or if you delete your options.ini

[ornate crypt]

i can double check for you, i for sure could be wrong

let me delete my options ini rq and re launch the game

holy shit ur right lmao

not sure why it was disabled on my end, however i susepct because i have both a 41 and 42 folder

thats awesomes its defualt now in b42

[dusty ginkgo]

[desert obsidian]

Could just be that there was an existing options.ini, so it didn't overwrite anything.

But IMO it's a gamechanger of a setting

[dusty ginkgo]

I am so used to not speeding up time at this point I didn't even notice it was a thing

[ornate crypt]

This recent update really brought me back to b42

The new extinction mode is such a treat

[dusty ginkgo]

So much mp got me used to real time crafting

[ornate crypt]

I know there’s a lot of whiners rn but I really love this update

[dusty ginkgo]

🌞

[sharp edge]

can't return to MP after speeding up in SP

[dusty ginkgo]

😆

I used to speed up all the time, but then I couldn't and then when I went to sp I kinda just forget to now - give me a chance to rest and consume water irl and stuff so it isn't too bad

[acoustic wigeon]

sleep ingame, sleep irl

https://tenor.com/view/cat-snore-drool-gif-24001576

[dusty ginkgo]

infact I was at one point trying to figure out how to make a mod that disabled all the time speedup buttons (or remove them) and just have the pause

but I am a scrub

[acoustic wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/project-zomboid-horse-gif-10664029143539029928

pz horse 2.0

[ornate crypt]

I might help you on this

I want to start modding

[robust stump]

anyone has issues with guns? M9 in 42.16?

[hollow cargo]

No, they work fine for me.

[delicate vessel]

Yup every controller player is just "whining" about not being able to play the game.

You must be on kb/m. Glad everything is working fine for you.

But I'm sure you'd be whining too if lets say, they forced you to jog automatically when you press W. Or if they introduced milliseconds of lag to your mouse movement. Oh and if you were locked in place and couldn't move with your inventory open. Yeah, pretty sure you'd complain too...

[ornate crypt]

Mostly the whining seems to be the traits and occupation changes. Controller complaints are pretty valid however

Because accessibility

I do play kb and m but have fully sympathy with controller plays because some people are disabled and are forced to play controllers, and I myself am disabled so I completely understand the frustration

I definitely think they’ll do more tweaking to occupations, and I definitely understand why people are complaining about echo creek being removed

I definitely think having a random spawn would be fun

[delicate vessel]

Fair enough. But there's a fine line between whining and providing constructive feedback. Some people cross it without realizing it because they are passionate.

[ornate crypt]

More variety to spawning instead of the legendary four city spawns we are so used too

[ornate crypt]

I definitely think it’s a mix of very good criticism and judgement, and then the rest seems to be very weird complaining. However it’s always been this way in PZ

I feel like in this type of game it’s so hard making people happy , feature wise

However accessibility is for sure frustrating, and definitely when your passionate about the game some bugs can be really devastating

[hollow cargo]

I really like the occupation and skill changes.

[delicate vessel]

Wish I could play and test some of the new features but...
🎮

[hollow cargo]

I’ve never played pz on controller. I’d probably struggle to adjust since I’ve always played with kb/m.

[delicate vessel]

Well it used to feel really good. My sister, who doesn't play any other games, could easily pick up a controller and play. Now it's kind of a nightmare lol

[iron fjord]

I suppose double flicking the stick to trigger jogging instead is out of the question?

Probs a bit clunky

[delicate vessel]

That would be better maybe, but it was fine the way it was...

No clue why they had to change the control scheme randomly without giving anyone an option or a warning.

Just suddenly, after years of playing with the same controls, you have to relearn how to play lol

Thanks but no thanks lol

[delicate vessel]

Seems like a modder has already fixed most of the controller issues including reverting the movement system!

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3691858284

Can't help but notice that they made these changes optional.

[iron fjord]

Yeah, It does make sense that they want to free up as many inputs as possible for other things though, especially inputs like R2

[delicate vessel]

idk, RT already has multiple functions as it is, was*, and it felt good.

Forcing someone to half-press a trigger or push the stick half way to walk, mid to jog, full to sprint, it's just not intuitive. And if you have even a little bit of stick drift or a sticky button then the whole system becomes non-functional.

People with dexterity problems have it the worst...

[iron fjord]

I totally agree, i just can also see why they're experimenting

[safe lantern]

Please make an option to revert to the previous controller settings. The new update is terrible. Let the players decide how they want to play. Why do I have to assume a new Auto-run setting now that literally NOBODY asked for? I just don’t get it…

[delicate vessel]

Yeah I get it...

But making changes to a controller layout in a game many people have played for years without giving the players the option of choice just feels like a step in the wrong direction...

I'm sure everyone would freak out if they changed the kb/m layout/functions without giving any option to change it.

Oh sry, to move you have to use the "UHJK" keys now, and if you want to shoot press TAB... lol

[iron fjord]

No sense in panicking at the same time. Gotta express displeasure sure, but some people are going a bit overboard. All it takes is enough people to calmy say "haha this sucks" and before you know it itll be sorted.

[delicate vessel]

Agreed.

But a little nudge can't hurt.

And player feedback is/should be very valuable especially with experimental systems in an aging game.

I'd like Zomboid to age like fine wine, not milk lol

[iron fjord]

I imagine the devs appreciate their feedback to be as palatable as a fine wine, and less like sour milk

Palatable standing in for constructive

[delicate vessel]

Yup yup.
Love me some Zomboid wine lol

I might get a little passionate sometimes and say things out of frustration but it's all in the spirit of love and appreciation for all the time and effort put into this game! On both ends, players and devs.

Love you guys!
Love TIS!
Love Zomboid!
Love

[iron fjord]

❤️ 🍷

[balmy galleon]

Hi, I have a question — hopefully someone can help me. I’m currently playing on version 42.15.3, and I’ve frozen the version on Steam so I can keep playing my save, since it wouldn’t work on the new update. The thing is, as far as I understand, when the game updates again I’ll only be able to select the previous version, which means I won’t be able to continue my 42.15.3 save anymore.

My question is: is there any way to “freeze” the game so it never updates and doesn’t force me to use newer versions? I want to keep playing my save on 42.15.3 indefinitely.

[delicate vessel]

I believe once they take a version down, that's all she wrote...

[delicate vessel]

I stand corrected.
@balmy galleon

[wide garden]

So still no fix for the players on controller I see. I don't understand why you won't just walk it back no one who uses a controller wants the redesign of the controller we like how it worked before. It figures there is no fix so in classic PZ dev fashion radio silence.

[wide garden]

Imagine them not ruining the game for half the community with something no one asked for.

[delicate vessel]

Another passionate controller player I see 🎮

It's all good man, let them hear you! lol

Just know that TIS seems to be hearing us this time.

We will know if they actually listened when they revert the movement changes in the next patch.

If they don't I might just quit playing PZ for a while...

[slate plover]

i'm sure they'll revert it, the real question is how soon... the untargetable zombies didnt get hotfixed even though that too made the game unplayable, took weeks to get a patch, so im not optimistic on behalf of controller players

[delicate vessel]

Preaching to the choir man lol

I was pushing pretty hard for a fix to that too. But right when they had it pretty much perfect, they started using this new system.

Honestly I think that they couldn't quite fix the old system so they hastily pushed out the new system...

Call me crazy lol

[balmy galleon]

ok, thanks for the info, I will try this

[desert obsidian]

Feel like I’ve been vocal about the fact that we’re working on fixes. 🤷

[fair furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-what-democracy-looks-like-democracy-vote-equality-poc-gif-17685915

[delicate vessel]

You have!
But we can't play until it's fixed!

[wide garden]

I'd say yea I am passionate about the state of the game I have been here longer than most of the dev team. Been with PZ since it's conception in the early 2000's, it's my favorite game and it hurts to see how much damage new devs can do to it.

[slate plover]

the untargetable zombies bug was also apparently fixed a lot earlier than the patch for it came out... shrimply sayin the anxiety about the wait is not comin from nowhere

[delicate vessel]

It was present and persistent for me until 42.15.3.

I didn't get to play much tho after that before the new system.

[wide garden]

I actually started to like the way they mapped the interface for crafting on a controller before the B42.16 update. It's very sad it felt like the controller support was going in the right direction just for a very bad suggestion of reworking the controller got added and ruined it. The person who green light that needs a stern talking to.

[delicate vessel]

Also in B42.15.3 can't forget, the controls were sluggish, cars sank into the earth and people's clothes would fall off randomly lol

So I wasn't really interested in playing that build.

I was waiting to try the next patch, this one, and now movement is broken lol

Now I'm waiting and hoping the next patch only has a sluggish aiming system. I'll take take over broken movement controls lol

[sick hill]

I managed to kill the autorun on controller with DS4windows but can't bring back the running via R2 because PZ doesn't react to keyboard at all when using controller.

[wide garden]

agreed!

[wide garden]

It should just get pulled period. It doesn't seem like a hard decision to make in my eyes. It's just not ready.

And if any dev is reading players that use controller hate having their run speed throttled on a thumb stick.. just sayin

[delicate vessel]

To be fair tho, they did fix all those things in the last patch.

I just think they went a little too far changing movement controls too.

[hollow cargo]

The devs are good at taking feedback. I’m sure they are looking over all the feedback regarding controller this patch and will further refine it

[wide garden]

That's what I mean by reworking the controller when no one in the community asked for it. It's like redesigning the wheel when the wheel does it's job perfectly fine.

[wide garden]

I don't want it refined besides interactivity with the game, the scheme was fine and worked great.

[median path]

There was still issues with controller that werent resolved since 42 came out

[wide garden]

I don't disagree, it had issues but worked

[hollow cargo]

I’m not sure on their reasons for changing it, but I’m sure they had a reason or plan for it.
It’s unstable, this is the best time for them to collect feedback on it. I’ve seen a few people commenting about it so I’m sure the devs are aware by now.

I’m not a controller player so I can’t really relate much to whatever issues controller players have.

[wide garden]

Yea the feedback is no one likes it and they want something closer to what we had.

[wide garden]

essentially it's unplayable on controller and half the player base is on controller. A lot of you keyboard user don't realize how many controller users make up the player base.

[hollow cargo]

I’m sure the devs are looking at ways to improve controller, given there’s been a fair amount of feedback on it from what I’ve seen.

Is there even a way to know the statistic on how many people use controllers?

[median path]

I like some of the new features , like i like the auto run because i play 12 months later and its easier on my wrist when i walk 90% of the time. But there are things i dont like. BUT i trust tis to resolve the issue they never have not cared about the comnunity and i know these things take time on the test build.

[wide garden]

having walk speed be on left stick is terrible

[median path]

I like it

[wide garden]

one is not the whole

[delicate vessel]

I've said this before and I'll say it again just to be clear...

I propose:

• Reverting the jogging/running controls immediately.
• Then continue smoothing out the new Melee/Aiming system if you must keep it.
• Ideally make the new Aiming system only active when you're holding a ranged weapon.
• And maybe eventually give us full button mapping abilities on any gamepad.

[wide garden]

here here

[median path]

I know that, im saying not everyone thinks its bad

[hollow cargo]

I don’t think there is a way to see how many people use controller compared to keyboard players. But I doubt it’s half the player base

[delicate vessel]

Oh geez we got one guy who says he likes it!

[wide garden]

go read more forums then

[brave hound]

have either of you written that out structured in the forum?

[wide garden]

many others already have

[brave hound]

yes, but it still cant hurt adding your input into the discusion as long as its structured and in a polite manner here you are just shouting into the void

[median path]

Im saying they should come up with a solution for both or something. The feature was just added how long ago? Ita going to be worked out

[delicate vessel]

Multiple times in multiple posts/threads lol

[wide garden]

at no time was i shouting

[brave hound]

these chats generally move too quick for someone to always be reading it

[iron fjord]

Aye pretty sure they would have telemetry for those kinds of statistics. And if not, well... they certainly got a good gauge of it this patch

[brave hound]

and you can revert back to the previous unstable build with outdatedunstable, that should still have the old controller layout

[wide garden]

that is an asinine thing to say, the game is not staying in B41 it's moving on and if the controller support is trash going forward that's half the player base gone....

[hollow cargo]

I was meaning I don’t think we the public have the statistics available to see how many people play controller but I doubt it’s half the player base anyway. Not saying that it’s a small percentage either.

[median path]

Not it isnt , its specifically for these issues

[iron fjord]

Oh yeah no, we dont. Devs should though

Probs would be less than half

Considering that PC's native controls are mkb

[hollow cargo]

I’m curious where you’re getting the data to say half the player base will be gone?

[fast willow]

Everyone I know playing key/mouse. I saw noone yet playing controler

[wide garden]

Everyone I know plays on controller in PZ

[fast willow]

We are different

[hollow cargo]

Okay but this doesn’t equal to half the player base though.

[wide garden]

it might not be exactly half but it is far more than you think.

[wide garden]

there would not be such an outcry in steam discussions if the controller base was as small as I assume you think it is.

[iron fjord]

Lmfao looks like the whinging might’ve been nipped already. Patch inbound

[hollow cargo]

The updates only been out like 2 days, I’ve seen more comments slating the devs rather than constructive feedback.

[delicate vessel]

It's pretty obvious that more people play with kb/m at least for now...

But that's no excuse to change our controls with no ability to change them back.

[brave hound]

previous unstable build, thats 42.15, not build 41