Press Q to Say Hi!

[left vine]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2026/02/press-q-to-say-hi/

[hollow agate]

Hi to you too

also, great to have news about new hires!

[little nova]

FUHH YEA

[rich arch]

another thursdoid before GTA 6

[scenic cradle]

Many years later map when?

[ocean dome]

"HEY!"

[rich arch]

press q to pay respects

[candid gulch]

Omg can't believe we got a new thursdoid. I was losing all hope

[north hearth]

My role is to focus on the player experience, working alongside the awesome artists, coders, QA folks, and others on the team. My focus in the short term has been identifying friction points on various UI and player-facing systems, some improvements of which you’ve already seen coming online, such as the revamp of the Right-Click Menu for streamlined Crafting, Barricading, and more consistent Tile and Inventory interactions.
Excited to see the fruits of this 🙂

[rich arch]

excellent

[sage beacon]

waow

[shadow escarp]

huh, was expecting this to be another ghost message, not an actual thursdoid (sorta)

[rich arch]

A thursdoid before my birthday lol

[tribal briar]

no wayyy

[winter oriole]

I followed the instructions, now all of rosewood wants me dead :(

[lilac scarab]

hi Fred

[low star]

Thursoid!!! Hell yeah
Thanks for the communication and keep up the awesome work!

[serene fulcrum]

Hi christian

[narrow pendant]

They’re gonna add more guns im going to explode

[copper pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-this-we-breaking-bad-meme-we-gif-25916954

[candid gulch]

Hi peak

[untold fiber]

But if there's Thursdoids again how will people complain about communication? Won't you think of that important job

[vast grove]

New Thursdoid! I enjoyed reading your blog post and look forward to the many cool things to come!

[cosmic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

[pastel kernel]

hope they dont take to much "realism" away.

for me, even small stuff like generator pull cords would be nice details. 🤔

[languid quartz]

More guns in Zomboid?

[copper pivot]

trip and fall, with a crit chance of insta death

https://tenor.com/view/cat-serious-face-evil-evil-cat-smug-cat-gif-15701002130080385724

[lean rune]

Grok too lazy to read, can you summarize

[full hazel]

yay nice blog

[lean rune]

I do hope the game doesn't change too drastically with a new design director

[void wind]

🇶

[full hazel]

did you read it? lol

[wet frost]

Love the take on "realism"

[lean rune]

Too lazy

Asked grok to summarize

[full hazel]

[quartz edge]

Ok but having the cord break would be kinda neat

[copper pivot]

biography and "we'll be better"

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-erase-gif-1159901542694943356

[candid gulch]

I like the vision of the original devs, but I won't deny the issues they have with project management (haven't read the thursdoid yet)

[lean rune]

Eh, I always hear that kinda stuff

[copper pivot]

Crafting/Building recipes, Skill progression, Traits, Occupations, and more. Oh, and guns. You don’t think I wasn’t going to want to add a few guns, did you? 1993 appropriate, of course.

Balance is a big focus, as often systems have been implemented to prove out the functionality, but then left to “defaults” after implementation by a coder. An example of this you will be seeing in one of our upcoming updates are balance passes on default Game Modes, and this will mean changes to the base “canon” settings, as well as new tailored pre-sets for players looking for a more hardcore mode, a more cozy style, and one respectful of players who have less gaming time available to them.

We are in the final charge of B42 Unstable, which means there are still a lot of bug fixes, game balancing, polish, and a bunch of new content that is in our internal pipeline awaiting final implementation and testing, but the team is working hard to Barricade the Windows and shore up the food supplies. Moving out of Unstable doesn’t mean that there will not be continued support, refactoring, modding improvements and balance for B42 in the future, just in a Stable environment.

[void crown]

i am quite positive on serellan's take on this stuff after reading it too
i prefer setting immersion over realism

[rancid palm]

pull cords would be cool but it wouldent be cool if they broke

[copper pivot]

tbh -- just imo -- I think keeping apoc as the hardcore realistic ballbusting gamemode would be kinda fun

I think most of the 'fun' from PZ actively comes with interacting with systems and going from broke to rich ™

[full hazel]

same here, i like some things to be realistic, but too much of it isnt going to be fun for me. I have played other games like that and as a casual pz player, I would just avoid mechanics like that.

[copper pivot]

once you're no longer stressed by something the game gets boring

[regal totem]

🇶

[wet frost]

This post made me feel excited as an individual, and listened-to as a part of the PZ community...even if it didn't say too much of anything substantial about the game itself.
Also as an American, loved the veiled slight at "cultured" Europeans ;^^

[copper pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/bil-volturi-aro-twilight-gif-23094991

[lean rune]

Neat

[copper pivot]

the haters across the pond....

[lean rune]

Just weary of new people i guess

[void crown]

they can absolutely coexist - i def enjoy the setting of misery of the post-apoc, and my hope is for frustration and friction inflicted upon us to be interesting friction, as opposed to plain misery

[dull sedge]

No mention of NPCs 🙁

[full hazel]

i usually play casually on apoc and choose to suffer on challenge maps

[delicate flame]

Q

[void crown]

yee im cool with default settings being a bit easier - i hate for people to get turned away without knowing that the game can be customized to the extent it can

[river cipher]

🥹

[copper pivot]

well realism can go both ways

it can both suck (in a realistic way, like most people would crumble without modern society's many many services) and also be fun (rising up to the challenge)

one "realism" thing that comes to mind is like more ways of opening doors, etc

basically qol vanilla mods ™

[marsh hill]

They're coming to say hi :D

[neon vector]

Hi :)

[copper pivot]

verisimilitude is the right word for it though, it means it's consistent / believable with its own internal logic

I just hope it's expansive enough 🙂

[dapper elk]

The rage

[void crown]

yeah i quite like that - consistency with an design direction of any kind is ideal imho

[quartz edge]

I wish erosion were more realistic

[copper pivot]

farmers would be goated tbh and it's something that pz sorely lacks

well, "farmer" in the loosest sense

imagine apiculture, horticulture, etc

https://tenor.com/view/honey-honey-comb-bee-hive-sweet-gif-3717672032948780724

go my bee hives...

[neat umbra]

I think bro's got the right idea. I wish plumbing had more content because I think its pretty cool as a concept and implementing like electrical for new infrastructure was a possibility.

[void crown]

bees and honey would be so cool

[marsh hill]

Yeah, the balance of those two is what makes PZ such an amazing and captivating game :D
I'm excited too for Serellan's vision on this

[full hazel]

yah, eggactly

[quartz edge]

Erosion currently feels way too fast. Trees for example dont grow that fast, neither do most vines

[copper pivot]

yeah, there's a bunch of stuff in the survival non-zombie aspect of pz that is straight up missing that would make "ignoring" / not fighting 10 billion zombies worthwhile and quite fun

like imagine your orchard, vineyard, etc growing

[quartz edge]

Also roads wouldnt crack that quickly. Any weeds would be growing between existing cracks

[copper pivot]

foraging trees for fruits

[marsh hill]

My standard sandbox settings have erosion on very slow erosion for that matter

[void crown]

mhm! I hope the revamped default and bonus gamemodes can help define the varying degrees of "post apocalypse zombie sandbox"
i love those runs where every waking morning is a blessing and i also love runs where the apocalypse is more of a green one, a chance to get away from the stressors of pre apoc society and return to roots of survival and care

[marsh hill]

My front yard was vastly overgrown in just 2 months

And my house was cracked like what QwQ

[full hazel]

it might be like that because your average player isnt going to really live that long

like in 4k hours i have never gotten to winter like ever

and have only got to a month 2 times

[tired veldt]

I yearn for more primitive technology like drying/smoking fish and meat, lighting candles directly from fires, handmade torches (i.e. rags tied to branches and set on fire from campfires) etc

[copper pivot]

bees are also necessary for wax, wax which can be used for candles, etc

[marsh hill]

I already get lost in agriculture and animal care, oh boi, I would never leave my base again xD
but I'm all for it haha

[void crown]

oh yeah despite having close to 2k my longest was like 40 days or something haha
i may enjoy the challenge but im still ass at a lot of the game mechanics

[copper pivot]

afaik some of the stuff irl you can straight up just leave it be for a while and it'll do its own thing

[lean rune]

Realism but fun

[full hazel]

yah same, which is fine i dont like meta builds or living n stuff lol. I just kinda like casually dying i guess

[tired veldt]

Im very glad to hear that the PZ team has a homesteader/prepper on their team

[copper pivot]

this doesn't mean you have to neglect it 100% but yknow, you don't have to water it three times a day

[full hazel]

and eating from the trash

[tired veldt]

Costanza!

[marsh hill]

It sounds like they have exactly that in mind, which is lovely! As he mentioned a hardcore mode, a chilled mode and a mode for players with little time on their hands

[full hazel]

[copper pivot]

my avg run is smth like 7-8 months

[void crown]

absolutely!! ive been trying to get more into rp and slowing down my gameplay, and taking traits that will either definitely be detrimental or are for rp purposes

[copper pivot]

idk how puppers keeps dying before the 1st month is over 💔

[marsh hill]

Yes, candles being able to be lit plss

[void crown]

stylized suffering, ie oh fuck my house is dirty i should clean it but unlike irl back doesnt fucking die from doing so

[copper pivot]

strengthen your back muscles

[quartz edge]

I wish we could clean dishes

[copper pivot]

@TIS make brushes useful outside making prison shivs, add tooth aches and cavities

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-troll-the-day-of-reckoning-gif-19655212

[void crown]

i blame my adhd
i logically know that i shouldnt try to kite 200 zombies because i saw a window i want to open but alas the hyperfixation has doomed me

[tired veldt]

please no

[marsh hill]

For me, personally, surviving that long was never the issue (again, I can hide away at my farm for weeks, idc xD), but unstable borked my saves before I could make it to winter yet
I'll be so happy when stable drops :D

[full hazel]

because i abuse the hell out of fences and windows lol, so it deserved, but a lot of the time it really is just overconfidence

[copper pivot]

fair

I try to avoid as many zombies as possible or move them out of the way

[full hazel]

oh and i like living in the middle of cities over other places, both times when i lived to a month it seems i live longer when not living in city

[copper pivot]

oh yeah, no building is really safe in cities, at least muldraugh

[quartz edge]

What about cords and outlets for generators?

[copper pivot]

in muldraugh in my 9 month run the zombies broke ALL the fences (tall wood + chainlink) around the intersection gas station if you know where it is

just "north" of the hotel

and it wasn't from them following me, they just migrated all over the place and perforated the walls

all the walls here are pretty much ruins in that run

[full hazel]

lol , that sounds like fun

[odd tusk]

THURSDOIDDD WR LOVE YOU SULLYYYY

[full hazel]

yay sunstar

[odd tusk]

Or whoever actually wrote it, we love ya

Time to read it

[marsh hill]

Tbf, it is the same in PZ too. Some people are saying tending to your crops and animals takes so much time but personally, I feel it's a lot of effort to get started / set everything up and it runs alone after that
You really only got to check on your crops if it hasn't rained in some days (and even then, they'll mostly be fine unless you hit a drought period fr) and animals are also doing their thing since they feed from grass automatically and only need water and cleaning the chicken coup every few days

That's really it. I choose to get lost in that world willingly x3

[cosmic basin]

No more complicated systems

[odd tusk]

I TOLD YALL TO HAVE FAITH @nimble sierra

[vernal aspen]

[nimble sierra]

You did it!!!

[copper pivot]

people don't know how to game the map fr fr

I see people base at the pd but the pd is in the middle of one of the largest muldraugh spawn hotspots which means there'll almost always be a gorillion zombies migrating there

spots like the intersection gas or the northern small storage + mech shop are better safehouse spots and there's also the farms around muldraugh (eg the one to the west) which has direct access to the road (and won't be swarming permanently)

[marsh hill]

I wonder why xD /lh

[copper pivot]

brick warehouse here

board up the windows, bang, walls all around, good safehouse

[void wind]

Yeeees, more guns

[molten crag]

Still any idea yet on the stable version of build 42 coming out?? 👀

[copper pivot]

farm here with direct access

[void wind]

and rebalancing the game modes, which were already needed

[marsh hill]

I mean, it has undestroyable fences on three sides xD

[rich arch]

excellent choice

[left vine]

That would be @hushed ferry

[marsh hill]

My bf and I are basing in Muldraugh PD rn and it's paradise

[copper pivot]

right, but you're forced to fight zombies constantly

[marsh hill]

Except no kitchen

Which is a shame for a group cook like me :(

[left vine]

We won't ever give ETAs

[covert steppe]

It's said that it wouldn't be fun to have the pull cord of a generator break but I'd find it kinda cool if you went to start up your newfound generator and with horror you break the pull cord and now you're gonna have to repair it or find another one for extra drama XD

[copper pivot]

b42 release in 26/06/2026

[full hazel]

Muldrag is such a great place now , i really hope they refurbish the other towns like they did muldrag, unless its supposed to be like a characteristic of md

[marsh hill]

Eh. Idk what we did, but the surrounding areas are so empty for us. Even the heli pulled only like a handful of zombies there

[hollow agate]

its gonna be before 3rd of June, 2026 because Sully would totally want to see me suffer

[void crown]

whenever you ask for an ETA the in-house zombie gets a little closer to the dev team

[left vine]

I do enjoy a good suffer

[marsh hill]

Maybe we got lucky with the randomization?

[molten crag]

Oh mb, it’s more of an estimate, friends of betting on when it will be 😅

[orchid obsidian]

Q Q Q Q

[copper pivot]

I play vanilla apoc, usually solo so that's where my experience is from

[full hazel]

no estimates allowed lmfao

[hollow agate]

a single date, that can do more than make a man suffer...to make a man...one of YOUR KIND...

[copper pivot]

afaik multiplayer svs are usually diff

[delicate flame]

Honestly, same.

[marsh hill]

I'm calling early summer >:3

Who else wants to bet?

[left vine]

I'll bet...

[covert steppe]

Betting on that too

Betting this dead mouse in my kitchen drawer ( in pz of course )

[marsh hill]

Please submit your bets to Sully's Paypal / Cashapp, thanks

[molten crag]

Yeah hoping sometime, my pals and I are really pumped for bigger buildings, makes it more interesting

[lean rune]

I cant imagine why not

[odd tusk]

Oooooh ok yeah dam, a prepper survivalist gun afccionado as the game designer this is really cool

Almost makes me want to download twitter to follow then there

[full hazel]

what are we betting

[lean rune]

There isnt like a group of people hanging on your every word and posting it elsewhere for you to be judged

[covert steppe]

pssttt, there's also bluesky

[full hazel]

wehat are we gambling!!!

[full hazel]

lmfao, stop

[molten crag]

Anyways thanks for giving me somewhat of an idea of when I guess lul

[nimble sierra]

I wanna bet

I’m really good at it just look at my pfp

[full hazel]

yes catters

the seer of nope

[marsh hill]

Ooooh, didn't know that! Great to learn something new, thanks :D

[nimble sierra]

That should be my custom role hahaha

@left vine ^

[marsh hill]

B42 stable release date

[copper pivot]

yeah, they change options around because vanilla apoc would be annoying to play with, especially if there's pvp

[full hazel]

yah but what are we betting with lol

[copper pivot]

and when mp first released, it was fucking horrible too sorry to say

imagine get winded for 50 minutes straight because the server was desyncing

[nimble sierra]

I want your WOW account let’s go

[orchid obsidian]

what do you mean!? it was great

[molten crag]

Oo question? If I was to have a server, would I have recreate another when the stable comes out? 😭

[copper pivot]

so after fighting like 10 zombies it's gg go to sleep

[copper pivot]

there were a bunch of bugs in the first mp release

[full hazel]

uhhhh let me think lol

[odd tusk]

Really cool stuff indeed! Cant wait to see more of the changes they will bring to the game AND also really hyped to see "the different ways to share with the community beyond blog posts and update notes"

[copper pivot]

some of them were very very frustrating to play with

[full hazel]

i thought it was pretty smooth experience on vanilla

[orchid obsidian]

of course, it is unstable and our job to help find those bugs

[marsh hill]

What do you have to offer?

[odd tusk]

Artjams??? Modjams??? Featurejams??

[marsh hill]

I'm betting two sledgehammers and a gen mag

[odd tusk]

Gosh that would be awesome

[full hazel]

friendship bracelets !

[mint wagon]

Whoa buddy! Actually huge, very happy that there is a thursdoid, hello Serellan!

[marsh hill]

Lovely! Anyone betting higher?

[full hazel]

but its made with love!

[nimble sierra]

I’ll bet puppers making two friendship bracelets on behalf of me

[marsh hill]

Or if you meant what the estimates are we're betting on so far, I saw a lot of June dates haha

[orchid obsidian]

best I can do is offer a picture of a dessert

[full hazel]

yes , out of my toe hjair

[nimble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/proudfeet-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-feet-proud-gif-22374348

[full hazel]

no lol , i know better , i meant what person place or thing were we using as currency for the bet!

[marsh hill]

Fair, that worth is immessurable

[copper pivot]

I played on that 4x xp vanilla pvp server (redboid iirc); some of the issues: horrible desync (people getting stabbed to death from 10 tiles away), horrible exhaustion "desync" (if you were exhausted you'd be exhausted for ages unless you sat in a car seat at which it went away in like 30 seconds give or take) and more

so, say you fought a couple zombies, you got tired out, w/e, if you didn't find a car to take a seat in you'd literally have to wait 50 minutes or an hour on the ground to catch your breath

50 irl minutes

[full hazel]

oh, yah im not sure about higher populations to be honest, im a melee user, i hate high pops lol

[marsh hill]

That pistachio ice cream did look friggin delicious ...

[copper pivot]

I'm not saying this to be mean to TIS, I'm literally being honest about it

[full hazel]

i could see desync in higher pps

[orchid obsidian]

❤️

[full hazel]

pops not pps lol

[copper pivot]

sugarcoating it is detrimental to PZ' development

honest feedback is more important

[nimble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-jarvis-meme-jarvis-negative-negative-upload-gif-2311562396915924786

[full hazel]

yah, long as person isnt mean about it like a lot on steam forums are lol. Not everyone has the same experiences. Like i never got that push bug but like 2 times i think

[full hazel]

i did

[marsh hill]

Tbf, I think they did recommend not playing on servers past a certain player limit for the first MP version
Idk how many players that server had at the time but my group's MP experience (4 players total) was comparatively smooth

[marsh hill]

Your constructive criticism is a breath of fresh air fr

[upper vapor]

hihi

[orchid obsidian]

for the stabbing one, where are you located compared to the server? because redboid is hosted in Germany so that could definitely be a ping issue - the exhaustion bug was a pain but they resolved it pretty quick

[copper pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317741078019047446/1458087835788906496/gang_gang.mp4?ex=69a19a1e&is=69a0489e&hm=f3d3a93cbaae8f5d0df176b6fc15062ca66b62473c55eb3b71bc6adad806f3a5&

for all the repliers :PP

this wasn't me, I was just passing by

[marsh hill]

Pffft, that's hilarious though xD

[next isle]

Thanks Chris

[marsh hill]

+Why did they jump them like that hahaha

[orchid obsidian]

I personally wouldn't bother with a high ping server on anygame if it had pvp involved, especially one where pvp isn't a focus for balancing currently

[marsh hill]

WHAT DID THEY DO TO DESERVE THIS, I need to know

[copper pivot]

pvp

(kos everyone)

[copper pivot]

I'm in eu and my "ping" to germany is like 30

[marsh hill]

Ugh, that sounds like an exhausting server experience tbh xD

[copper pivot]

it was actually quite fun

[full hazel]

pvp and pz i could never lol

[orchid obsidian]

fair

[copper pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317741078019047446/1458087202054607013/yo_bro_chill.mp4?ex=69a19986&is=69a04806&hm=739774678665c5456e3f1bb4a88b6dc4dcfca98163b065b18c0b9b00c90b49e4&

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-idk-i-don't-know-i-dont-know-dexter-morgan-gif-8495770667022285823

[orchid obsidian]

I used to play on redboid back in the day, but I am on the westcoast of canada and the ping was just too bad sadly (pre-41 days)

[copper pivot]

me chasing someone down in the woods like I'm a serial killer

(I needed the apple in their inventory)

[lean rune]

Higher pops is rougher nowadays

[orchid obsidian]

definitely

[lean rune]

They remixed it a lot so its better to not go beyond 2x

[full hazel]

i played on it during build 41 i think and it was fun can see the appeal just pvp isnt for me and i remember kept seeing someone get killed over n over n over lol

[copper pivot]

redboid pvp is just a turn brain off server :PP

(and have fun)

[orchid obsidian]

yeee, I don't know how they did it in 41, but in like 38 they had pvp zones, I believe westpoint was a pvp town

[copper pivot]

you don't have to care about characters because it's 4x xp

[orchid obsidian]

muldraugh was pve

[azure geode]

good content in the article but the amount of pz allegories

[candid gulch]

We should get a special zombie called Christian Allen that spawns with hunting clothes and hunting equipment frfr

[scarlet leaf]

Oh no, people are having expectations that this is a weekly Thursdoid, because we're in the process of introducing new faces.

[void crown]

its kinda funny, idm

[vast linden]

what an amazing post

and serellan's a devil dog, hell yeah

[spiral cloud]

@lime geyser

[orchid obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-keanu-reeves-gun-warrior-korben-gif-4206421212215967900

[void wind]

New weapons are coming

[lean rune]

I won't need vfe finally?

[void crown]

o7 stendos living on not only with the emporium but with the guns themselves

[nimble sierra]

Q

[nimble sierra]

Would be hilarious if they called one a bow lmao

Bows reconfirmed

[near jackal]

Q

[orchid obsidian]

oh yea we bring you the Bō... staff

[nimble sierra]

Hahahaha that’s the move actually add a Bo staff lmao

https://tenor.com/view/walking-dead-twd-morgan-jones-morgan-gif-11377274053846367043

[orchid obsidian]

tbh I wouldn't even be upset

would be so good!

[vague cypress]

Damn a thursdoid

[lone sage]

B42 mp stable when?

[full hazel]

they should do a comic book like metal spear quest lol

and the loot book

[hollow agate]

never, there's only one Stable for B42, same for both

[nimble sierra]

Maybe Louisville ComicCon was happening during the outbreak

[tropic topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-peter-griffin-family-guy-clapping-audience-gif-8061025

i'm hoping to see the ability to climb over counters

[void crown]

the monkeys paw curls, the zombies can too :P

[tropic topaz]

perfect

[full hazel]

what curl lol

i watn a curl

[nimble sierra]

Get a dumbbell! Curls for the girls

[full hazel]

man lol , i stopped weight lifting after i stopped addderall now i just lift forks

and chheese slices

[nimble sierra]

Mmmmmm

https://tenor.com/view/bigormac-triple-cheese-cat-cheese-bigorneau-chat-gif-26336184

[nimble sierra]

I feel like we teleported from last Thursday in January to February. I was just thinking it was funny they released a thursdoid before the end of the month for once. Then I realized it’s the end of the month somehow lmao

[void wind]

Time flew by

[silent frost]

Hi, hello. I need to know his position on omelets and cheese within them.

[bitter sonnet]

so basically this new design director is someone who could very likely survive the Knox Event? If you ask me, that’s one hell of a hire

he’s probably providing all TIGS members with an XP multiplier in aiming and reloading, and all profit from PZ game sales is being diverted to a doomsday bunker

[nimble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/the-last-of-us-bill-the-last-of-us-tv-series-the-last-of-us-show-last-of-us-hbo-gif-27557020

[merry pike]

Q

[granite geyser]

Hey!

[harsh drift]

I just pray zombie behaviour and pathing/tracking of the player gets some love and improvement. In between all the post apoc survival game loops, zombies are the main constant, but their logic hasnt kept up with all the extra depth being built around them. At the very least, these systems could do with being more moddable.

[ruby pulsar]

Q

[maiden flame]

Atleast they added in some kinda stealth with them finally.

[nimble barn]

Q

Hi

[crystal surge]

Q

[silver magnet]

It is exciting having someone who was in the us armed forces having a big say in the game. I feel like gun players are going to be eating good this year

plus the survival aspects, which im seriously excited for as a wilderness enjoyer

[spiral cloud]

i called it, we are going to have more guns

[silver magnet]

conspiracy me says thats why firearms were effectively untouched for a while, they were waiting for this guy to implement any more changes since the community got really hostile over it

but we will have to wait and see if thats true

[void crown]

for a mainly european crew theyve done a good job representing certain aspects of the usa but im so happy to have someone who has a life of experiences to pull from to be right there
in particular i love the triple-n / wbln writing so hats off to will and pat for that

[wet frost]

Now if only they could spell "yee-haw" properly, instead of "yee-hah"

[copper pivot]

Part of the hostility I'd attribute (rightfully, which was also noted in the post) to lack of communication

If you drop a bombshell change without giving forewarning or a hint how are people expected to react

[silver magnet]

to be fair, I dont really think alot of the hostilities is the devs fault, people on the internet will be pissed no matter

Like, constructive criticism is valid but alot of people think a bad patch is the end of the world

[spiral cloud]

cough cough reddit

[silver magnet]

Ive seen like 2 posts on the reddit about pz and both were complaining

but there is alot of it here too

ive even seen it in other discords of completely unrelated games

joined the vs story discord the other day, and someone brought up project zomboid devs as "the worst devs possible"

just unprompted, afaik

[spiral cloud]

vs story?

[silver magnet]

Some of it may just be me afraid of being negative of something i like, I supposed

i know some people criticise things harshly because they like it

[silver magnet]

vintage story story, i forgot s means story XD

[spiral cloud]

my brain farded for a second there

[silver magnet]

nah the extra story was confusing

[spiral cloud]

may i ask what context they gave

or is it just the usual "slow update broken game" thing

[silver magnet]

let me go double check it was a week or so ago and i just glanced at the convo

[spiral cloud]

as expected

[silver magnet]

yeah

I like how they use the word accountable

like its some sort of criminal offense

[spiral cloud]

i dont expect promises but i do wish they were more clear when it comes to development direction

[silver magnet]

When people complain about lack of communication they must forget dev teams like silksong exist

[spiral cloud]

i recently learned that bows were pushed back to b43

[silver magnet]

like they effectively shadow dropped the most anticipated game of the decade

[silver magnet]

aw what?

rip

[silver magnet]

I see

[spiral cloud]

actually is it even going to come out at b43

what are they planning

[silver magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/space-tim-curry-gif-7935778

[spiral cloud]

so yeah

wouldve been nice if they at least told people about current goals or something

[silver magnet]

We just need some like one way communication, would solve every effective problem

maybe even like dev notes on the patch notes

-Increased car acceleration
(notes on what they hope to do with cars in the near future)

as an example

[spiral cloud]

yeah patch notes could be great for one way communication

major, notable changes and explanations

instead of like, yk

[silver magnet]

LOL

[spiral cloud]

like most of them look like it was straight up pulled out from github commits

[silver magnet]

the up is capitalised....

collab with pixar?

kevin in zomboid?

[spiral cloud]

can we get much higher

also i still dont know what they added

and im at the point of thinking if they havent added it yet cuz its not even past tense

[silver magnet]

lmao true

they could honestly also use a github

for bug reporting, having to finangle with copy pasting the format on the wiki gets old fast

[spiral cloud]

oh yeah, github issue has template feature

[silver magnet]

although i can understand why creating a barrier of entry to reporting bugs could be a good thing

theres already a bunch of mold and mildew bug reports that dont mean anything on the forums

[jade sphinx]

How do you guys interpret this line from the thursdoid:

“We are in the final charge of B42 Unstable”

[silver magnet]

meaning no major features left to implement, just minor additions and stamping out bugs

[spiral cloud]

yeah, more focus on polishing

[jade sphinx]

So just 5 years left for Stable? Sweet

[silver magnet]

major being code rewrites

of entire systems

[spiral cloud]

i honestly get impressed when developers do this

like, having to write new codes that works better than previous one

[silver magnet]

mhmm

[spiral cloud]

i would lose my hair

[lime geyser]

Nothing by Christian Allen about 5.56 box nerf though 🥲

[silver magnet]

poor toad

toad is like a hummingbird for 556

[latent light]

My guess is about 3-4 months until stable, possibly

[silver magnet]

if they dont eat 150 rounds a day they die

[jade sphinx]

Fingers crossed

[harsh drift]

This would make sense. If there's to be a major design shake up, probs best for it to start with a new build

[spiral cloud]

im coping from that with my speculation of gun reworks

rifles -> 20 rounds
pistols -> 50 rounds

and more gun variations

[silver magnet]

yeah, i also dont think the gun bugs are long for this world

both the 5x damage button and the always accurate bug

[copper pivot]

That's what thursdoids and some other suggestions I gave sully are for

[silver magnet]

mhmm

[copper pivot]

The gist of the reply is that they got burnt on it before so they're not doing it

[silver magnet]

yeah

[copper pivot]

(Paraphrased 'to not feed the haters ™')

[spiral cloud]

about the always accurate bug... is it even a bug at this point?

considering the chance to damage system

[silver magnet]

It would be fire if it was made a feature. Although it throws off gun balance alot

[spiral cloud]

people would be confused on why successfully (visually) shooting a zombie in the head doesnt kill them despite dumping half of their mag

[silver magnet]

yeah I brought that up when it released

it wasnt broken then, 90% of bullets truly did no damage

just knocked em over

[spiral cloud]

yeah exactly, it gives player a feedback that theyve successfully hit a zombie

but they wont die because of their low aiming level

it gave me mixed feelings when it first came out

[silver magnet]

found my original post

Basically sums up your feelings

[spiral cloud]

yeah

how does chance to hit with current aiming system work anyway

[silver magnet]

it basically always deals max damage

arti could explain it better

oh you mean without the bug

[spiral cloud]

yeah without the bug

[silver magnet]

basically its very similar to accuracy before.

But if you "miss" you just deal no damage and stun the zombie

the big changes are with what happens with bullets once their fired, travel and multihit and actual cursor placement

so for instance at lvl 0 an m16 has a 5% chance to deal damage

if it rolls damage, itll do its normal bullet damage multiplied by any bonuses/malus

this is my very basic understanding of the system, it could be wrong in some way

[spiral cloud]

so you still stun regardless...

i kinda expected it to not stun, cuz, yk, the bullet didnt hit it

[silver magnet]

yeah thats why it was renamed to chance to damage

since if your crosshair is on the boid, itll always "hit"

bit misleading, mostly to players who dont read any blogs and just pick up and play the game

[spiral cloud]

trying to find the blog post of new aiming system... i have smth to check

[silver magnet]

yeah double check what ive said, i havent really looked into it in a while

[spiral cloud]

im looking through blogs and stumbled upon a video with old aiming

i forgot that guns used to have recoil animations

[spiral cloud]

ah found it

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/78311-4210-unstable-released/

Chance-to-Damage: Each successfully aimed shot hits. The previous chance-to-hit calculation then determines if damage is dealt. This change aims to eliminate the frustration of “missed shots” and attempts to make every ranged attack feel more rewarding.

im gonna test something in debug...

[lime geyser]

Still think it should be 50 per box since it is a small bullet (for rifles)

And keep magnum cartridges for handguns and full power rifle cartridges be 20 rounds a box

[shadow escarp]

it's bugged rn so it always hits

I tried making a bug report about this but it went nowhere and I've been busy lately so I haven't submitted a second

[spiral cloud]

i tested and chance-to-hit works normally while chance-to-damage always damages

[shadow escarp]

yeah

That's why I say on my mod page that people should be using chance to hit right now

[spiral cloud]

i see

[shadow escarp]

It's been bugged like this for a while now I'm actually surprised it hasn't been fixed yet, they're usually pretty fast in fixes like this

[spiral cloud]

the chance of it being intentional might not be zero

[frigid trout]

i never understood the difference of the chanche to hit and chance to damage, can u explain it?

[spiral cloud]

chance to hit is either you entirely miss the shot or land the shot
chance to damage makes it so that any shots you make are considered as hit, but chance to hit calculation is used to whether the shot deals damage or not

[frigid trout]

thank u, so seems that chance to hit is the best choice

[spiral cloud]

chance to damage is the default, but this bug(?) is present

[frigid trout]

i mean the less op

[spiral cloud]

though chance to hit is basically the same as b41 gunfight with actual aiming requirement on top of it

i dunno what to say about it cuz using chance to hit makes guns absolutely useless without aiming skill

[frigid trout]

ok thanks for the explanation

[indigo cave]

Where is your pfp with cat

[left vine]

shhhh this one is better

[indigo cave]

Did you hack him

[left vine]

is it really so hard to believe someone thinks I rule?

[cosmic basin]

Yes

Because you ROCK

🪨

[left vine]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-everythingeverywhereallatonce-gif-25516405

[hasty eagle]

NPCs when?

[left vine]

Build 43

[hasty eagle]

So another 3 years then....cook

[silent mantle]

43 years equal to the build number

[livid granite]

Q (type c for fast charging)

[nimble sierra]

I lost a bet that there would be a hotfix Wednesday

But Sully also does rule

Should have bet on a thursdoid dangit

[vast jasper]

huuray to more base guns

[white magnet]

Hell Yeah, more guns

I would love to see the MP 5 making it's way into the game

[spiral cloud]

im honestly not sure if theyd add automatic guns

[white magnet]

Awh

[spiral cloud]

the current aiming system favors precise hits

[white magnet]

Yeah true

[spiral cloud]

full autoing usually doesnt work because of how it works

[white magnet]

Would be awesome tho

[vast jasper]

well, as long as more base guns are added then the modders also have more bases to start from, so even more guns! no?

[scarlet leaf]

Base guns are getting revamped, as evident from the changes made to change some ammunition types.

I am pretty sure this is the case.

I can see why they needed to be revamped. I noticed I tend to gravitate towards guns with more oomph when attacking hordes, which meant the lesser used guns are discarded fairly quickly.

The game is supposed to encourage players to use all available weapons at their disposals to combat.

So the guns need to be distinct from each other.

[vast jasper]

I liked brita's, the variety of choice. with this revamp I suppose they will either work around it or terminate the project. I wanted to add several weapon mods but many changed how the weapons worked at their core so they all kinda conflicted with each other

I'll just wait until stable to play and discover all the new features they implemented

[winged lava]

Q

[nimble sierra]

What kind of guns would have been common in 1993 kentucky

my canadian brain just assumes like 4 million double barrel shotguns lmao

[noble bluff]

🇶

[silver magnet]

ww2 era firearms for collectors. Hobbyists might have vietnam era weapons

and then modern guns theres alot of variations to use

(modern as in 1993)

like 95% of the guns that are popular are 50+years old

[nimble sierra]

I want a bazooka

[silver magnet]

catters no

[nimble sierra]

LOL

https://klipy.com/gifs/happy-ayutha-poojagif

[candid gulch]

I need a lever action rifle to complete my cowboy outfit fr

[untold drift]

M79 launcher 🙏

[silver magnet]

you load it improperly and it just explodes in your hands

[nimble sierra]

lever action bazooka when

[lime geyser]

We have .30-30 in vanilla right

Though I wish TIS would add .45-70 instead of that since it is a niche cartridge

[candid gulch]

Tbf I don't really care about realism in ammo types. As long as I can't use shotgun ammo on a handgun I'm fine lol

[silent mantle]

c

its not working

[livid granite]

mb, Type-C for fast charging

[silent mantle]

-C

it works now thanks

[burnt plaza]

Yeah on the lines of more guns being added it would be really dope to have more rare lootable guns like say you find the house of a old ww2 vet and they have a lockbox of war memorabilia with say a old luger inside that only has a couple bullets inside making it a pretty cool find while looting

[obsidian perch]

@hushed ferry rah

[flint ermine]

Q

[marble zephyr]

just got here now, can anyone summarize what happened?

[north warren]

New guy came

🫡

[foggy garden]

New guy saw

[orchid obsidian]

new guy conquered

[north warren]

New guy left

[lean rune]

Hows the current meta with gun and ammo loot these days

Part of me wants zombies to drop ammo but its a pain in the ass to get balanced

And I dont wanna have to craft it

[orchid obsidian]

my singleplayer runs first thing I do is start clearing out areas around gunstores and police stations

and then push for guns unlimited with the guns I get from those

[lean rune]

I guess ill try that crossbow mod i saw

To sorta even it out

[foggy canopy]

Q

[atomic aspen]

My name is Charles Petrescu.

[bitter sonnet]

[untold drift]

Q

[harsh drift]

This. It needn't be so complicated

[odd tusk]

all I want is to do like alice and use coins as shotgun ammo

now that'd be cool!

[nimble sierra]

Q

[nimble sierra]

Omg they should add a blunderbuss lmao

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-pirates-caribbean-of-the-gif-19918274

[bitter sonnet]

if they really wanna go for realism, they should add a Spiffo plush cannon (similar to a T-shirt cannon/launcher gun)

[candid gulch]

Making ammo would be funny ngl

[odd tusk]

improvising ammo too

specially once we have slingshots we will need this sort of improvised ammo since you can throw anything round and small with a sling

coins, pebbles, marbles, raw corn works too, lots of improvised munnition options

[candid gulch]

We really should be able to throw bricks, stones and bottles. Both to attack and to distract (like breaking windows or breaking the bottle itself). Like... That shitty The Walking Dead game with Daryl had that mechanic lol

[spiral cloud]

yeah throwing would be awesome

[candid gulch]

I'm sure it would suck as an attack, but for distraction would be cool. Also we need a rework on pipebombs and that

[spiral cloud]

yeah throwing mechanics could use a revamp

also throwing has a lot of potentials, it could complement "combat best avoided" stealths

imagine the possibilities and hell, we could even get things like grenades

[odd tusk]

We will one day
The throwables system will be really cool if implemented with good psychics, specially if it allows us to throw every single item at the zeds instead of specific stuff lol

I just want to spam yeeting random stuff at the zombies like I do in dead island

Could very well be a new skill too, "Throwing"

[odd tusk]

Idk, if you are good at throwing and you hit a knife or a heavyish stone it can definelly cause some damage on a zed

[spiral cloud]

woud require a lot of practice, skulls are pretty hard to penetrate

[odd tusk]

Yeah but like if throwing knifes can penetrate wood they can probably penetrate rotten zombie skulls

In a gamefied way

[spiral cloud]

yeah in a game sense throwing knives would definitely work as weapons but i still imagine its gonna need a lot of practice if it were to be added

like adding throwing skill in combat, making throwing-weapons more efficient

[nimble sierra]

Lmao exactly this

[silver magnet]

yeah throwing rocks/bottles etc is the only feature we need to make stealth completely viable

that and removal of the random nuclear hit sound

[crisp fiber]

It'll be like that scene from Shaun of the dead

[harsh drift]

I mean... That and a pursuit system that doesn't continue to disclose your location to zombies for a set period of time after you break line of sight. Right now returning to stealth from a pursuit requires putting huge distance between yourself and the zombies on your tail. There's no real oppurtunity to just hide instead.

[hidden aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/shaun-of-the-dead-shaun-ed-zombie-throw-gif-16326941

[nimble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/want-cat-want-it-rage-gif-24209074

[silver magnet]

fair yeah.

[silver magnet]

shaun reference wooooooo

[hidden aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/shaun-of-the-dead-simon-pegg-nick-frost-edgar-wright-pint-gif-14819765

[scarlet leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/shaun-of-the-dead-simon-pegg-nick-frost-edgar-wright-cup-of-tea-gif-14819763

[potent berry]

If my skill in aiming is 10 can I decapitate all zombies with my CDs

I feel like Uncle Billy's Kentucky Moonshine should have a Crit chance of at least 20

[copper pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/negan-gif-11341681302730609214

[haughty zealot]

"US Marines as a Military Policeman"
Uh, so where should I mail the crayons?

[upper vapor]

Kind of unrelated but nice because TIS-related, it has the Zomboid logo on all motorcycle helmets you find in game

Zomboid is canon in Zomboid.

[haughty zealot]

Uh, that's not the same thing. "Cannon" != "canon". One go "boom".

[hollow agate]

both go boom, canon too when you hire incompetent writers to retcon everything

[upper vapor]

canon is also camera company

[haughty zealot]

I was speaking literally. "canon" go boom is figurative.

[hollow agate]

...So why "Zomboid is canon in Zomboid" is wrong?

[haughty zealot]

Not "wrong", but @upper vapor was replying to someone who was speaking literally about a cannon, but talking (in their reply) about "canon". It looked very much like someone had jumped the tracks.

[hollow agate]

boom, mind blown - thanks for clarification 😄

[upper vapor]

Oh I understand... I did jump in xD

My bad peeps

[nimble sierra]

Are cannons canon

[haughty zealot]

In PZ? Uh, ... only for the US Army.

[hollow agate]

1812 Overture says yes

[nimble sierra]

Are there canon cannons that shoot cans of candy?

[haughty zealot]

(Aside: artillery and cannons are different things. The closest modern-day equivalent to cannon is the tank's smooth-bore main gun. Cannons are not breech-loaded however.)

[haughty zealot]

Perhaps in the "My Little Pony" army.

[nimble sierra]

When cannons were used, was there something else that was considered artillery? Geniunely curious. LIke a cannon pointed mostly up? haha

[haughty zealot]

Cannons "pointed mostly up" are called "mortars".
Generally:
Cannon: muzzle-loaded smooth-bore large caliber (2+ inches)
Artillery: breech-loaded rifled large caliber
Mortar: muzzle-loaded smooth-bore medium-small caliber (1-2 inch) with high ballistic path

Edit: And all are generally "crewed" meaning more than one person needed to operate

[silver magnet]

the first sentence of wikipedia calls cannons artillery

artillery is basically just "bigger gun" theres no set in stone definition for that word like you are implying

[nimble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/thumb-up-thumb-up-eating-thumb-up-moment-gif-18075118

[haughty zealot]

Wikipedia is sometimes mistaken. According to US Army, what I wrote.

[upper vapor]

Slowmode now?

That's new.

[left vine]

nope, been that way for a while

[upper vapor]

Seems I've never noticed the thing in the bottom here.

[bitter sonnet]

never noticed this before! That's awesome lol

[upper vapor]

You like it?

(discovered today by accident)

[bitter sonnet]

indeed I like I thought it was just random name branding and now I'm going through the PZ wiki rn looking at all the headgear for details like that

[upper vapor]

[bitter sonnet]

speaking of hats, there should be a rare orange colored variant of the raccoon hat I'm sure that'll cause an upset

[upper vapor]

Project seasons mod has the rare spiffo raccoon you can do that with iirc.

But would be cool

Spray paint cans (if added) + Pelt hat = orange spiffo hat

[bitter sonnet]

I'll check out the mod! Thanks

[vast jasper]

just as speculation, when could stable be released?

[next isle]

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

[odd tusk]

I'd say anyday from now until 31/12/26

[vast jasper]

still within the year. that's optimistic no?

[odd tusk]

a little bit
they did said multiple times now they are in the final stages of B42 where no new major stuff will be added, just continuous bug fix and polishing and smallish surprises, so

I would even dare be optimistic enough to say B42 Stable within first half of this year maybe?

[vast jasper]

well good to know, within 2026 then

it will go to stable but that doesn't mean it won't get updated. if that's the case it still means we need to delete "old" saves?

[latent light]

My guess is claimable ladders, and the new throwable system (possibly)

They said the final features are awaiting final implementation and testing so stable cant be too far away

[orchid obsidian]

I haven't had a chance to make ice cream for the past little bit due to house showings so you get a throwback

Gonna make some today though, even though there is a showing tomorrow

[odd tusk]

Hmmmm idk... Ladders is a maaaaybe but I think throwable system is massive stuff with all the physics involved + 3d items

[latent light]

😉

[odd tusk]

Oooooh

[latent light]

Ladders in all directions too

[odd tusk]

Ladders and maybe laying in bed are my bets

[latent light]

With them preparing for the stable update it can’t be too far away anyway

[odd tusk]

Yeah, I have high hopes of b42 stable within the first half of this year

Time is flying fast, we are already 3 months in

Then b43 unstable in december

[lean rune]

Whose gonna tell him

[cosmic basin]

Forget ladders, we're still waiting on stairs in all directions

[latent light]

Someone did mod that.

I’m positive the devs said in a thursdoid they had a workaround, but I assume they want to polish it properly

[cosmic basin]

In the half worked on TODO code for digging stairs, it uses all 4 directions. Really hoping it's coming officially in B42 soon

But the same can be said about car door animations lol

[latent light]

Vehicle animations would be nice, hopefully filibuster is working on those 👀

[cosmic basin]

Coulda sworn they were saving the vehicle updates for B43 at the earliest, but recently they've been putting out quite a few unexpectedly.

[odd tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/believe-motivation-ted-lasso-jason-sudeikis-trendizisst-gif-3529704266728728998

[upper vapor]

July 9th, 2026 (a Thursday)

[orchid obsidian]

ice creams have been crafted

[nimble sierra]

Julember 39th, 2026

[bitter sonnet]

the more it's talked about, the further it is delayed

[haughty zealot]

or, y'know, ramps

We've only had them since the Pyramids...

[cosmic basin]

Mappers can use ramps, some have already. PZ doesn't have a use for them on the map, and you can get your vehicle stuck, so they probably won't add it officially until they work that out.

Stair facing direction has been the limiting factor of map making since the start, the very beginning

PLEASE get this out of the way TIS

[orchid obsidian]

They talked about it previously, I believe they have to rework the vehicle physics completely to get ramps to be fully supported in default map, so they haven't

They have also talked about solutions to the stair problem in a thursdoid many moons ago but we haven't heard anything about it since

[jade sphinx]

Calories system fix when? Let’s pretend it’s not one of the most important features in the game and couldn’t be more broken at the moment.

[lean rune]

When you ask more nicely and with more constructive feedback

[trail sage]

We are near

[copper pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/someone-cooked-here-breaking-bad-bryan-cranston-walter-white-heisenberg-gif-13265436134592901394

[spiral cloud]

the animations are actuallly built into all (or most) of the vehicles

[latent light]

I’m aware, but the devs said vehicles are being reworked, so it’s possible the animations will be too

[spiral cloud]

itd be neat

[glacial lagoon]

Be nice if they fixed towing O.o

[jagged belfry]

WHEAH ARCHERY

WHY DO WE STILL NOT HAVE A NON LOOTING ALTERNATIVE FOR RANGED COMBAT

WE ARE WAITING ON OUR BOWS FOR YEARS!!!!

[spiral cloud]

pushed out from b42

[candid gulch]

I wonder what's so complicated about bows... I think the new trajectory or whatever added with B42 aiming solved most of the issues?

[latent light]

I think the devs said it requires the new throwable system? Since it won’t use bullets like the guns.

Also needs custom animations too. Time is probably the biggest factor.

[candid gulch]

Fair enough. I'm a mapper. I have no clue about coding or animations

[upper vapor]

Fire bomb? :0

[jagged belfry]

Time the biggest factor
Remind me how long an update takes on average if you may and how many animations and new systems were added out of the blue since the launch of B42?

Atp it reads like they just don't care for it

You can't go "but time and effort!"
And then recode like 10 different systems, add 100s of minor variants to things noones ever gonna notice and do a billion different things and minor animations on wiping a plate and after all that still say that

[odd tusk]

Id love a wipe the plate animation and that our dishes and cutlery and cooking pots get dirty after we cook and we need to wash it

[nimble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/cars-kachow-badbitch-gif-23750214

Lightning McQueen when

[latent light]

I’m not going to sit and complain about the devs adding surprises features alongside the planned features they have already given us.

TIS probably have a priority list, for features they want to implement. You’re forgetting the dev team itself underwent big changes during b42s development. They already highlighted many times the reasons why b42 took so long, and from my understanding they don’t plan on repeating the huge gap in the figure.

[cosmic basin]

They're acting like ragdolls was added on the fly lol

enables ragdolls NEW FEATURE ADDED, very easy implementation!

[latent light]

Just because a feature someone wants wasn’t added yet doesn’t mean the devs are doing nothing or don’t care lmao

From my perspective it looks like they want to push stable out soon, and there’s probably just not enough time to add certain features.

[orchid obsidian]

fire rework is a perfect example of that, it is something they want to do, and have made progress on but there are things that take priority over it so it gets chipped away slowly and will get added eventually

everyone is saying throwables when bows when, extended crafting when, and I am just here being like creative mode when

but I actually have the answer to that

[jagged belfry]

Hoping that actually getting a designer for once is going to put things on the right track because so far development seemed like a duct tape clusterfuck

[latent light]

We’ve gotten feature updates and hot fixes relatively quick, there’s also been multiple new hires and promotions.

[candid gulch]

From what I've seen, the main issue was project management. The devs have always been talented

[lean rune]

Download the crossbow mod

[jagged belfry]

khana kherem nurj, morid chini ölsökh boltugai

https://tenor.com/view/mongolian-gif-24685364

[lean rune]

Ill assume that translates to "thank you for the suggestion!"

Youre welcome

[vast jasper]

mb I wasn't aware such a curse existed

I just wanted to know opinions about a general estimate

[hidden aurora]

Every such inquiry gets it pushed back another week

[orchid obsidian]

[candid gulch]

Blame Daryl for making us think of crossbows whenever we think of a zombie apocalypse

[nimble sierra]

It stands to reason that @cosmic basin asking to delay the update reverses such wicked curse by equal measure!

[cosmic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

[nimble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/not-the-hero-we-deserve-gif-13014154

[orchid obsidian]

Cooking dinner, I'll give it a spin soon

[bitter sonnet]

-99 unhappiness

[orchid obsidian]

❤️

[vast jasper]

+3000kcal

[orchid obsidian]

Maybe in PZ, but not irl

[full idol]

Seen it when it was first posted but took some time to digest it and to try and collect my thoughts.

First off, congrats and I really do genuinely hope for all the best!

Secondly, however, I cant help but feel this is a poorly thought through decision to address problems caused by poorly thinking things through. The issues with the new skills? The entire crafting overhaul? All of it boils down to just one problem - the devs just didn't stop to think about it.

They didn't stop to think about how the new skills would impact game-play, nor how they stood in terms of respecting players time. Like, literally, that's the entire origin point of every problem I personally have with B.42, and seemingly the root cause of other peoples problems with it too. Worse still, I cant help but worry that the "solution" briefly mentioned is just going to be some XP modifications - a glorified band-aid patch to what is effectively a massive open wound.

And honestly? You cant hire your way out of this sort of problem. New hires, particularly those with a role like this, are going to suffer from an extreme power imbalance that will absolutely limit their ability to reign in the more veteran/long-term members of the team. Or worse yet, run the risk of adopting those veterans apparent bad habits regarding not thinking things through properly.

A new hire, imo, as much I really do genuinely wish them all the best I can, isn't really something I can but much hope behind regarding any real problems I or anyone else may or may not have with B.42.

I mean, some of these problems go back to the start of 42 unstable, and since then what's changed? They added ragdolls. They added MP. They even pushed new animals iirc. But where's the efforts to address the issues with the new skills? Or really, to try and address anything? And now, apparently, Build 42 is going stable soon? These are the changes and issues that should be addressed in the unstable branch - not stable. It's the entire reason I've largely sat around and waited patiently.

I really do wish things will turn around, but if the devs are preparing for B.42 stable while their crafting overhaul itself needs an overhaul, then I cant say I have much hope sadly.

[lean rune]

What issues?

You claim theres issues but what are they

[latent light]

You mentioned “issues with the new skills” multiple times but did not list them.

[full idol]

It is currently 5:30 AM for me, and I have repeatedly talked about those in the past in the proper channel for discussing B42. I am not going to go over those problems, much less discuss them, on this post.

[candid gulch]

Idk, I like the ideas behind B42. Execution was kinda poor, but it can be fixed in the long term. It isn't something that has to be thrown away to start again

[full idol]

Maybe after some sleep I'll talk about them in the proper channel, but honestly, I'm feeling burnt out hard on the game, and the notion of discussing things for the umpteenth time isn't particularly appealing, much less with how burnt out hard-core I've been lately irl

[orchid obsidian]

Personally I think the way they have skills setup is fine, there are some bottle necks for say 100% wilderness runs and things that need to be tweaked - but over all not a huge issue. The way they have them setup IS forward thinking and designed for larger servers and for when NPCs finally show up

[full idol]

Honestly, I just feel that the major problems need a step back to properly address. Sure you could adjust them, but it's honestly just going to be better and easier to walk it back and address what wasn't working

[candid gulch]

Tbh B42 is unstable. It's fine to play for a bit to test stuff and report bugs, but it shouldn't be a build you put dozens of hours into, considering how unfinished some parts of it are and of course, the corruption of the saves that comes with new updates

[orchid obsidian]

Sounds like you need to take a break then

[candid gulch]

Fr. The new skills make me want to see a large server that never wipes or respawn loot or anything. Would be interesting to see how it evolves

[latent light]

Well I was unaware of the “issues with skills” you mentioned, elsewhere. Hence why I asked you.

[full idol]

Ok, but the vast majority of players are not MP players, and the devs themselves have stated NPCS are a very long way off. So, like, where does that leave us? Stuck with an unpleasant SP experience until NPC's get added?

[candid gulch]

Idk, you don't have to touch the new crafting skills if you don't want to. I haven't and B42 is still enjoyable

[orchid obsidian]

where are you getting this vast majority from, do you have data that I am not aware of? You could just not interact with those skills, most of them aren't needed in a normal SP run

[full idol]

Either way, this isn't something to be talked about here. Like I mentioned above, maybe I'll talk about it later in the proper places, but for now I'm probably just not gonna reply. I feel like I've said my piece and I doubt further discussion is going to change any minds or what have you, particularly given this isn't the proper place for it anyhow

[lean rune]

I mean you offered criticism without putting said criticism

Devs arent going to go searching for it, unless there was a thread or post for feedback

[lean rune]

You do have one complaint I agree with

Putting the cart before the horse when it comes to xp and "specializing"

Theres an issue with prelooted places but theres no place to get said loot

[full idol]

Maybe that's because I realised this wasn't the place for in-depth detailed critique?

[orchid obsidian]

here is the data we DO have, pre-b42 mp 29k players at peak, and post b42 mp (released december 11 2025) was peaking at 56k that is a 93% increase in players

and it has been above SP only numbers ever since that release

[lean rune]

And the constant whining of "where mp"

But I dont disagree, you just gotta back it up lol

[full idol]

Ok. What's the percentage in terms of total players? That is, apparently, exclusively in terms of B42, thus excluding everyone who is still on B41. Which ultimately means its largely a moot statistic - it lacks any meaningful context from which meaningful conclusions can be drawn.

[orchid obsidian]

I mean you were the one who said the "vast majority of players are SP" but didn't give the data to back said statement up

because we don't have it

[nimble sierra]

It’s impossible to eliminate how many of the SP players prefer multi but we’re playing SP cause it’s all they could

I say as a pure SP myself

[orchid obsidian]

Small data set but I am the only person I know of, of my friend groups, who plays sp as well as mp. 24 people that I know have actively played mp in 41/42 but refuse to play sp.

and 60 people who have the game over all on my friends list

[nimble sierra]

I feel like putting a significant amount of time into PZ in purely singleplayer doubles as a diagnosis

Meant SP lol

[orchid obsidian]

only diagnosis I have is ADHD

[untold fiber]

Anyone who started pre-41 probably put a significant amount of time into SP & enjoys the game without others (or at least used to)

[orchid obsidian]

There was mp pre-41, it was just far more scuffed

[untold fiber]

Yeah I remember lol, that's why I'm saying people who played pre-41 likely enjoyed SP

[orchid obsidian]

🙂

I bought the game far before MP was even a thought, I remember lemmy having to tell people over and over "no it is forever an SP game, we have zero plans for MP"

and then getting to play on the test server located in france with a ton of random people

all spawning at bob and kate's house in muldraugh

but I love both, for different reasons

[nimble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-one-dean-jensen-ackles-supernatural-thats-right-gif-19502894

[orchid obsidian]

[copper pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/literally-me-ryan-gosling-sigma-gucci-gif-5830885029702491025

98.5% of my playtime on pz is solo

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-rick-grimes-the-walking-dead-rick-the-walking-dead-rick-grimes-twd-rick-twd-gif-26122696

[harsh drift]

Same and I aint even pre 41

Just an antisocial sonuva bitch

Wait unless, playing with the wife counts.. thats probs like 70% 😅

[upper vapor]

Is it bad to say I dislike the progression flow of MP?

in some circumstances it's very fun, but having to cater for others and be held back.

[spiral cloud]

ehhh it is how it is for now

but honestly ive never felt that way because its just so much fun

[upper vapor]

My friends are the kind of people that get everything done in the first week and then we run out of stuff to do.

Can't change them I guess.

[spiral cloud]

ah, same fate as how minecraft goes like

i would adjust things like loot rarity so that you dont end up spending contents too fast

[upper vapor]

The only fun long playthrough I had was on ten years later, so you are correct there.

We ended up never getting a car

[copper pivot]

that's why I play pvp

https://tenor.com/view/devious-evil-cat-devious-evil-cat-gif-13662346222156832155

[upper vapor]

One bullet and your entire run is gone.

[copper pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317741078019047446/1458087202054607013/yo_bro_chill.mp4?ex=69a8d9c6&is=69a78846&hm=ef327a44e1a5ebc2b2c9784e7706466b4b6be63133bcd519ae6a573fe2e75293&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/136501320340209664/1441140614631526500/he_is_going.mp4?ex=69a92989&is=69a7d809&hm=73bf8c1f17849bf4662ef06ec32c2159c320b7aeb7467b0cf3b2cf8444181659&

https://tenor.com/view/googas-moment-he-is-going-him-beetle-amazing-gif-19082320

[vast jasper]

I was waiting for the bullet...

[granite geyser]

But where?

[granite geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266541990254743685/1449807809683390694/Project_Zomboid_12-14-2025_16-58-26-140.mp4?ex=69ab07bd&is=69a9b63d&hm=f1823a9cd519209b2ff9642cc822f6e4dcf0d8b618538d7735d96fde4c17bdff&

[bitter sonnet]

uh oh the post isn’t locked

time to spam Spiffos

[orchid obsidian]

[bitter sonnet]

[orchid obsidian]

[vital folio]

[white magnet]

[copper pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-ben-talking-talking-ben-no-gif-25277070

[orchid obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/spiffo-zomboid-dance-spiffodance-breakitdownspiffo-gif-1119282879590312053

[white magnet]

Yes

[copper pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-byjacce-benlaughno-benlaugh-benno-gif-14656271782590758604

[white magnet]

Why not