[42.14.0][MP] Gas Stations empty a lot more than usual/a lot faster than usual?

[nova epoch]

Our long-running MP server (which fresh-wiped yesterday with the new build) is using the same sandbox settings regarding gas pumps we have always used. In previous wipes/builds, it was rare but not unheard of for a gas pump to run out of fuel throughout the wipe (we wipe every 8~ weeks IRL time).

In the new build since yesterday, well over 50% of the main town gas pumps appear to have either spawned empty, or run out of fuel very quickly after only one use.
The sandbox settings are pictured. We aren't using any mods that impact the gas pumps in any way.

Is anyone else experiencing a similar issue?

[main summit]

Just to check first, are you using any mods?

[nova epoch]

Hey @main summit

Yes, using some. Although we've used these mods before and never had this issue until the new build yesterday.

None of the mods interact with gas pumps/building/etc at all.

Mods we use are;

• PZK Vanilla Car pack
• AuthenticZ
• SwapIt
• ItemCondition

I've spoken to the dev of the PZK car pack and asked if there's any chance their mod could be impacting the gas pumps and he said no, as their code doesn't interact with the pumps or sandbox settings in any way.

[main summit]

Understandable, however we unfortuantely cannot accept any bug reports with any sort of mods used, regardless of the claims of the modders

Recently simple translation mods broke crafting for example

Even if you could claim that "its just text being translated"

I can leave this post up in case anyone else has a similar report without mods though

[nova epoch]

I understand - would you mind leaving this up for a day or so to at least see if any other people comment that they're experiencing a similar issue

ha, read my mind

thanks

[simple basin]

Heyo! I have the same problem. Mostly different mods though:

Extensive Power Rework B42
Item Condition Overlay
Adaptive Traits
Player Status
ST Additions - Pry Open
K15's MP Collection (Vechicles)

The only overlapping mod we have is Item Condition Overlay assuming yours is the same one.

It has been very rare in my experience to see a single fuel station run out, but since yesterday every single fuel pump in rosewood is completely out of fuel

[nova epoch]

Yup, there you go. That's interesting.

@main summit just FYI

thanks @simple basin

[nova epoch]

I posted a thread on reddit and it looks like other people are experiencing the same issue in the new build @main summit ;

I had this in my single player save after updating, I'm based at a gas station and several pumps that had fuel before the update were empty when I loaded in, and another emptied after I used it once. I think there was some bug with the save file migration.

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1r7qt5q/multiplayer_servers_anyone_else_finding_gas_pumps/o5zf2wp/?context=3

[nova epoch]

I noticed this before 42.14, and figured we just ran out... but then I logged in under Debug as an admin, and the pumps claim to have 8-12k units within them still. Sometimes I can squeeze 1-5L out of a pump, even with the sign being there, then it's "empty" again. Sometimes the sign won't even appear and it'll say pumps are empty.

There is definitely something whacky going on. Maybe the thing to do is just set the sandbox options to unlimited fuel in the pumps for the time being.

oh i was unaware this was happening to others...yeah this happened on my server as well

^ two separate replies from different people

@main summit can I check something with you? Does this little tooltip in the tile report/debug screen indicate that the pump currently HAS 20000 gallons of gas, or that it simply has CAPACITY for 20000 gallons of gas?

because as you can see, the fuel pump is showing as "empty"

i'm wondering if this is at all useful in trying to identify/diagnose this suspected b42.14.0 bug

[topaz river]

Not using any mods here, every gas pump in rosewood is basically empty (we even have infinite gas pumps turned on)

[cold quarry]

Although I only have one mod installed and it wouldn’t be valid for a report, the same thing happened to me yesterday along with some friends on a server that has only one mod, which just translates the game’s text into Spanish.
I’ll add that every time you reconnect, it lets you take a little more, which can be a bit dangerous.

[main summit]

As far as I know, that should be the capacity

I might suggest creating a bug report in this case and then linking the Reddit thread with the other replies in the report:
https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/43261-read-here-first-bug-reporting-guideformatting

[weary jay]

I'm experiencing the same thing on 42.14.1 we just went to the normal crossroads spot (between muldraugh and west point)
in 42.13.2 with the exact same mod list our pumps lasted us 3 in game months and more, these ones finished in like 20L.
Maybe it was just that unlucky and they started so low, but both pumps went out fast.
Can't really confirm anything with such a low sample, but sometime by tomorrow I'll hopefully have moved over the fuel station in West Point & tried there too, if that runs out instantly then.. can't be that unlucky surely 😆

Is there a way to actually see how much units of fuel are in the pump directly? There used to be a mod in b41 to check the fuel but it doesn't seem around for b42

[weary jay]

Just started a new save, went to the same ^ location, and both pumps also ran out of gas (stopping the refilling process) before I could even fill 10L of gas; both pumps were empty by 8L

Teleporting to the West Point Gas station; one pump said it had gas then on next RMC it was out. second pump got to 7L before the sign of no gas appeared, then the "other half" of that pump would say it had fuel to take but would never actually give anything, then on the third attempt it gave 2L and went to empty. The third pump was the same as the second, though it filled 5L before going empty. The fourth and final pump filled a couple Litres like the pattern so far before going out, and the other half of it was the same.

Going to see if it happens on zero mods active. Weird how one patch it can change when I don't even think they touched gas, but they did touch fluids I guess. But something definitely broke.. because it's the exact same modlist as 42.13.2.
If I set the sandbox option to Infinite Gas, then yeah, it works. The out of gas signs don't go away, but those very same pumps now work just fine.

[weary jay]

Yes, the issue still occurs even on a completely vanilla no mod active instance of 42.14.1 (same testing locations)
Sandbox values for gas are 0.0min 0.9 max (up from 0.7) and default 20 chance to be empty.

The topmost fuel pumps didn't update their out of fuel sprite, but they are both empty
My gas can filled no more than 17L total from all 4

Teleporting away and back causes the Take Fuel Icons to appear (and some sprites to update) and trying to take fuel will either not do anything, or get a couple more Litres out before going back to No Fuel

[simple basin]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/91773-42140-out-of-gas-signs-generating-at-pumps-that-didnt-previously-have-one/

I think this is the bug ticket if you don't mind adding your details to it

[weary jay]

i posted on the bug report thread with a video example of bug on 3 different gas stations in pure vanilla world & server @main summit
it is just waiting for something to verify the post

[nova epoch]

Good work @weary jay

Thanks

[main summit]

It should be verified within one work day usually

[nova epoch]

@main summit this is my first time reporting a bug. What's the process from here typically? Does a TIS dev/QA post that they've received the report? Or is it just kinda 'set and forget' once posted?

[main summit]

Usually all reports are checked, but you may recieve a "Pie" reaction if it is definitely checked

As you can see in the bottom right corner

[nova epoch]

roger roger

thanks

[main summit]

If they need more info, they will send messages on the thread, but its not always necessary if the report is sufficient

[nova epoch]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/91773-42140-out-of-gas-signs-generating-at-pumps-that-didnt-previously-have-one/

[open dirge]

I am also experiencing this issue in my MP dedicated server (42.14.0). We have mods, but nothing impacting gas pumps 🙂