Realistic Temperature Mod [B42]

[dusky grove]

Hey hey!
I have just released a new mod that adds proper heat transfer to the game, so buildings will now cool/warm up based on the outdoor temperatures and if there are any breaches to the outside (open doors/windows/missing walls).
It also revamps clothing insulation and hypothermia, making cold winters more of a threat!

You can see the full list of features on the mod page:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3600401184

At the moment it mostly just makes the cold more of a hassle, but after gathering feedback and fixing potential issues I will add more features that makes warm summers more difficult as well.
I also have plans for adding frostbite so if you have exposed limbs/digits you will damage them, with possibility for permanent damage in longer exposure.

[tough harness]

Awesome looking mod! Does it require a new game?

[dusky grove]

Thanks! No it can be safely added/removed mid-save! It also works with mods that changes the outdoor temperatures. For a bigger challenge I'd recommend combining it with Cold Winters https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3577100076

[tough harness]

Thank you! Delighted to try it with my current Cold Winters nomad run!

[vital crystal]

That’s sounds awesome! 🤩

[dusky grove]

Dropped a small patch just now that fixed an issue with the clothing insulation calculation. High insulation clothing was not as effective as it should have been, and wind wasn't as big of a factor as it should have been.

I will keep an eye out for feedback and keep making tweaks, but my focus now is to make it so that food can freeze when in freezing temperature rooms, as well as freeze outside if it's cold enough

[dusky grove]

Dropped another update that fixes some stuff, but it also adds a completely new handler for body heat, so if you wear too many warm layers in the summer, you will overheat quickly. Also applies indoors, gotta make sure you change out of your winter clothing if you're gonna spend time inside a warm building

[dusky grove]

Pushed a new update that makes body heat gain better, should resolve any issues with overheating in warm weather, and make it so you can warm up by running in the cold if you have good winter clothing

[lethal girder]

are you able to split the heaters into a seperate mod? so that we can have heaters without the rest of the mod's content? i ask as the heater's mod from b41 never got updated for later versions of b41 and never got updated to b42 at all.

[dusky grove]

I think so yeah, should be able to just make them spawn a vanilla heat source when turned on.
I'm gonna be a bit busy working on the horse mod for the next couple of days and fixing any bugs/making tweaks to this mod, but if I find some extra time I'll split it

[lethal girder]

totally fine! it means a lot to me ❤️

[dusky grove]

Could I ask why you don't want the other stuff that the mod adds? Just trying to see if there's anything I could change/add that would make more people want to use it

[lethal girder]

as soon as i saw the word heaters it made me think of https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2877732496 a mod that i adored in b41.

[lethal girder]

i have a couple of mods that alter temp. make winters much colder. change how much it rains and the duration of weather events as well as how extreme they can be. the only one i really care about is the colder winters one and i woried about conflicts.

as i have ~280 mods now

(down from 480~)

[dusky grove]

Oh there's no conflicts with any mods that alter the weather or outdoor temperatures, especially not cold winters by jackson frost if that's the one you play with. I made my mod to specifically be compatible with mods that alter the outside temps and weathers, mine adds a new layer on top of the vanilla systems, so it basically takes the outside temperature and derives the indoor temperatures from it

The only thing that would conflict would be if you had a mod that alters the thermoregulator, but that would have to be a Java mod since it's locked away from modders using Lua

[lethal girder]

awesome ill add it and let you know if anything breaks haha.

[dusky grove]

Haha cheers! It should be in a stable place now after the patch today, I've essentially turned off the vanilla body temperature stuff and rebuilt it from scratch in Lua, and from my tests it has been working very well.
If there's any issues I will ship a patch ASAP

I've been in contact with Jackson Frost as well, he's been very helpful in testing my mod, so if there turns out to be any conflict we can work together to solve it. But from checking his code there shouldn't be anything causing issues

[lethal girder]

its def amazing when modders work together! we have so many big anmial mods coming! with fraylith doing the dog mod v2/catmod/frog mod and you doing the horse mod we will have our anmial bases covered.

are you also working on an anmial api like freylith?

[dusky grove]

Yes once the horse is out we will make a framework and guide on how to create custom animals
I'm also planning on working with a friend who is great at 3D modelling to make coyotes, bears, snakes and foxes that will be wild animals that interact with you in different ways

[lethal girder]

cant post the log lol. its pretty much just 1000s of lines of
f:13991, t:1763146453173> [RC_TempSim][Warm] ScarlettBren air=21.3 core=37.18->37.18 (+0.000) heatStress=0.000 (env=0.000 ins=0.000 move=0.000 warmExcess=1.3), minutes=0.00, clothingMult=0.19, avgIns=0.681, movementHeat=0.13, bodyHeat=0.281->0.279 target=0.147 norm=0.28 inc=0.702?1.55 dec=0.344?0.69 load=0.07 weight=0.00 passive=0.07 active=0.00 assuming its intended for debugging like how summer car prints the diff info for every car thats being driven/towed in real time. as it drives/tows

[lethal girder]

crash/error report. incomptable with the combo of

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3453311433 + https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3566088272

[dusky grove]

Ah crap haha, yeah I forgot to turn the debug off, whoops 😅

[dusky grove]

Ah yeah that makes sense, I had to rebuild the watch UI in Lua to display my own temps. I will take a look and see if I can add a compatibility patch for those

[lethal girder]

its def just https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3566088272 other one is fine

[dusky grove]

Thank you for confirming, I will take a look right away

[lethal girder]

all it does it open the alarm on rclicking the watch

[dusky grove]

Should be an easy fix

[lethal girder]

dont forget the debug 😛

[dusky grove]

Haha I won't 😄

[dusky grove]

The Easy Set Alarm is set up to use all local functions so I can't really make it compatible, but I will implement my own version of the same feature so right clicking on my custom UI will open the alarm window

There won't be any compatibility issues if you keep both active either

[lethal girder]

i def didnt expect that! thank you so much for adding taht functionallity!! ❤️

[lethal girder]

just found a gas heater! so your mods working great so far and my base thats split over two floors is ~about the same temp across.

[tough harness]

Fwiw, I like your mod a lot but there are playthroughs where I don’t want to mind survival features too much when I’m playing.

For me, I would appreciate a heater mod to keep them for those playthroughs

[dusky grove]

That's fair! I can understand that
As soon as I get a moment I'll split them into a standalone mod

[dusky grove]

Good to hear! I should have the patch out for the clock either tonight if I have time or tomorrow morning

[lethal girder]

Awesome! Thanks tons for all your hard work!!

[dusky grove]

Patch has been pushed now, make sure you have the 1.2.1 version and it should let you set the alarm with right click

[lethal girder]

yay thank you for all your hard work on this!!

[dusky grove]

My pleasure! Don't hesitate to ping me if you have any feedback or bugs to report

[lofty creek]

This is so cool

[lethal girder]

going amazing so far! 2c outside. 22c inside. and holding. dont know how winter will go yet. but i have a few spare heaters now. so im hoping well! i loved the little propane heater for on the go use! makes runs to the unpowered fishing hut a LOT better.

the heat transfer is a lot better after removing the doors though. now all the rooms are pretty even. i did notice if i open all the doors upstairs the temp freefalls.

within 3h it drops ~20c still warmer then outside by a lot.

[dusky grove]

Yeah it goes pretty quick 😄 I think there's an issue with the garage doors though, they don't seem to always register as open in all cases. Is that something you've noticed as well?

[lethal girder]

about 3.3h to settle back.

[dusky grove]

It will use the size of each room and its temp when equalizing the temps across all rooms with open connections.
So for example a small bathroom at 22 degrees and a large living room at 0 degrees will make both rooms equalize at like 5-8 degrees

[lethal girder]

no they seem to work okay for me! this is my own map i made in the editor. so that may be part of it! for what ever reason the entire building is "player made" i actually just did some really illegal stuff becuase of that.

[dusky grove]

Oh sick okay! Good to hear!

I think maybe just certain garage doors cause issues then

[dusky grove]

Lmao that's spooky 😂

[lethal girder]

could be! i can decontruct them along with the walls and stuff. so that may be part of it!

[lethal girder]

i was wondering about this! do the low/medium/high equal a temp? it seems with heaters in each room it all evens out to about 26c at low. 32 at medium and 44 at high. with a 10c outside temp.

[lethal girder]

ooo additionally do you plan to add like coolers? for those pople that use the super HOT map mods?

[dusky grove]

It's just related to how fast they heat at the moment, but I have plans to make different heaters cap at different max temps based on their size, power, and size of the room

[lethal girder]

this one. i saw it mentioned somewhere with your mod. sine it allows maxes of 40c in peak summer. and -15c in winter by default cooling is as much a problem as heating!!

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3051276857&searchtext=ky+weather

[dusky grove]

Oh yeah definitely! I have a buddy who's gonna make some AC units

[lethal girder]

wtf haha

[lethal girder]

YAY

[lethal girder]

i just saw the -170C

i feel like were gonna need a bigger heater

[dusky grove]

-170c is fucking crazy lol

I made my mod treat everything under -45 as the same, but I should probably lower that if people wanna get wild with it

[lethal girder]

some of these options are actually awful sounding. like pitch black 247 for all of winter

[lethal girder]

OH i see what you mean now its for those cryo enjoyers haha

[dusky grove]

Sounds similar to what I used to have growing up in Sweden 😅 Sun would rise around 10am and fuck back off at noon, and you wouldn't really see it since it's overcast like 90% of the winter.

Summers were nice though, sky never gets fully dark, always a bit of light by the horizon, and full daylight at 4am

[lethal girder]

not for me haha. as an aussie i like my 11 hours of usable sun in winter. and 14 hours in summer. its still early in summer and were seeing 13 hours of sun now usable. 14 in about a month and a half.

[dusky grove]

Damn that's nice!

I live in Portugal now, so get a lot more sun for sure

Always been interested in moving to Australia, but getting a visa is tricky as hell it seems

[lethal girder]

haha yeah they opened up the australian defence force recently to overseas recuritment and a lot of people are getting in that way now! so who knows what the future holds

[dusky grove]

Oh, well I'm definitely not doing that lmao

I wanna move back to Los Angeles if they can just chill the fuck out over there and get their politics to a sane level

[lethal girder]

yeah i feel like every day the americans are not sure if there getting nuked tomorrow or nuking someone tomorrow and its def stressful

[lethal girder]

out in the cold

in the car with the heater on.

[dusky grove]

Hmm that's weird, it should only let you raise it 25 degrees above outdoor temp if I remember the default correctly

[lethal girder]

yeah i bumped it a bit. but i dropped winter to -80c so -20c with max cold

[dusky grove]

Oooh I see okay haha that makes sense then

[lethal girder]

Oh wow temp management Is WAY more important now!! I noticed you start taking damage if your out in the cold too long

[dusky grove]

Yes indeed! That was even a vanilla feature, if you go hypothermic you start taking damage, but it was so hard to reach hypothermia, and the damage done was so low that the passive health regen basically neglected it.
I made it so if you go hypothermic it takes about an hour and a half of in-game time to die from it, which from what I could find online is about how long it would take in real life

And it's easier to reach hypothermia from wearing poor clothing. If you have full winter gear and high insulation (dry and no holes) you will at most reach the freezing stage

[lethal girder]

I noticed that! If I keep loot runs short and rug up with thick knitted stuff and leather that eases the cold just enough that I can loot some of the bigger spaces. I've yet to find a heater but I got to the Lou airport last night and got 9 generators. So I've been sleeping in the warm car and where possible I've been using the gen to charge some batteries as spares so I don't have to keep the engine running and wear out the oil and coolant haha.

[dusky grove]

If you have a fireplace in your house you can use that to keep it warm as well, or even antique stoves/electrical stoves if you leave them running

[lethal girder]

I was wondering what was causing the kitchen to be unusually hot haha.

[dusky grove]

Haha yeah I need to nerf the electric ovens, they're far too strong. With the oven door closed (and since there's no way to open it I have to assume they're all closed) it should not be heating as efficiently as it is

[lethal girder]

Might be able to take some inspiration from https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3583724172

I used it in a past run. It adds a context option "open oven for warmth" or something similar. I kind of vibed with the idea but that mod was very op.

The interesting bit is that it had zero heat with the door closed. But with the door open it flooded out.

[dusky grove]

That is interesting yeah, but knowing myself I wouldn't be happy with it if there's no visual change in the sprite 😭 And I can't draw for shit.
Maybe I can have my buddy that made the heaters draw some sprites with open doors for me

[lethal girder]

I think since the oven would be running at full power non-stop (once an oven reaches temp it's power use to keep temperature is negligible) it may be something you could balance by substantially increasing power consumption with the door left open. Limiting the heating radius would likely help as well. That mod had a range. Default was the same as the antique oven I believe but it was a 1-15 tile range.

[dusky grove]

Oh yeah I'd have to definitely mess with power consumption, which is something I have to look into in general since my heaters right now don't actually increase the usage from generators. I couldn't find an easy way to do it when I looked, but I will dig deeper sometime soon

Right now I have it so the heaters warm up entire rooms in uniform (heating rooms further from the heat source more slowly), and it's only if you stand directly next to a heat source that it warms your body temperature up faster (except for actual open fires like campfires which has a larger radius than the space heaters and ovens).
I wanna make a compatibility patch for the mod that let's you take baths, so you could draw a warm bath (assuming you have power in your house to heat a fictional boiler) and use that to warm up fast.

[lethal girder]

It's very much possible. I have a few mods that add things that use more and More power as they degrade

The pipes mod is one. As it degrades it produces less and less water and is more likely to catch fire. It also seems to use more power. I think it's using a generator as a base though. Because the degrade system is extremely similar and pumps catch fire at ~30% I know the system for variable power use Def exists though just Need to dig a little

[dusky grove]

Oh sick, yeah I'll be digging into that soon for sure!

[lethal girder]

@dusky grove I just remembered my favorite b41 mod does EXACTLY what you want.

"stove power consumption depends on temperature"

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3150779947

I think slayer did this part as a test of the logic. For a future project.

[dusky grove]

Oh hell yeah, thanks for the link, I will be dissecting the code to see how that works, should save me a lot of time!

[lethal girder]

outside.

inside.

i def missunderstood the warmest heater target the first time.

[lethal girder]

vehicles with max windows and repair get to a warm toasty -1c at the minute.

[dusky grove]

Warm and toasty -1c is not a phrase I've heard before 😂 But when the alternative is -60 I guess that's very true

[dusky grove]

Haha yeah I gotta clean the sandbox settings up a bit and make it more clear what everything does

[lethal girder]

i start taking damage after about 45 seconds with max inso at -60c. so i typically carry a propane heater for looting.

thank you sooooo much for those ❤️ they make looting at all possable.

but it does mean propane farming. with the propane crafting mod.

[dusky grove]

Oh damn haha, that's pretty hardcore!
I have some more heating options planned as well for on-the-go, like those handwarmer packets, figured I'd make it so you can just stuff them in your clothes to gain some heat

[lethal girder]

omg do i have something for you. we used to have them on the farm as kids.

@dusky grove so these have very much fallen out of fashion. but were very popular in the 90s. they use petrol or some other petrol based fuel + tiny strip of platnium, the fuel reacts with the platnium and heats up rapidly. but doesnt make the fumes. there clean burning. and get extremely hot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE-b2LjRW5E farrrr less common nowadays. idk if you can even get them now

https://www.amazon.com.au/Zippo-Hand-Warmer-12-Hour-Matte/dp/B013HLGU02 zippo makes afew still

same idea. add some petrol like fluid.

and get 12h heat

used to get like 3 or 4 from them when i was a kid. so they got a lot better

[dusky grove]

OOooh that is perfect, would fit right in! Thanks for showing me, I was having trouble figuring out more portable options

[lethal girder]

anytime! growing up on farms you made do. ❤️ so ive seen a great many experimental and weird heating things. and some weird cooling things.

you know about evaporative coolers(often called a swamp cooler bc of the high humidity they cause) right? there a fan with a tank of ice or ice water. very low power use. but decent cooling (depending on how cold the water is) there pretty much AC but without the heavy power consumption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporative_cooler

[lethal girder]

a lot of them are battery powered nowadays. since it doesnt take much to run a fan.

eg https://www.oztrail.com.au/products/maxi-evaporative-cooler-lithium

some old models used radiator fans and hooked up to car batteries. was a semi popular diy approch to cooling in some farm sheds.

@dusky grove nearly forgot about the age old classic. pretty sure there illegal now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_heater

some very old fords and chevys had petrol heaters in the dash. and portable models existed through the early 2000s.

One current manufacturer of gasoline and diesel fueled heaters is the Espar corporation, of Ontario, Canada lol

[dusky grove]

Oh siiiick, I will be looking into all of these and try to implement them. More DIY options for heating/cooling would be great to tie in with the skills

[lethal girder]

industrial heater in game. vanilla item weirdly

[dusky grove]

That's from my mod 😄 I use the same spawn system that I use for the bike, it makes it spawn out in the world instead of as an item, and I have it set to just industrial buildings

[lethal girder]

wait it is? is it a heater? can i take it?

[lethal girder]

ohhh its an item

i was trying to take it with the "pick up" thing

[dusky grove]

Haha yeah I was gonna make it a "moveable" pickup object, but they're more annoying to set up because from what I could tell they have to be 2D tiles, not 3D objects. So I just made them all as items instead

You need a propane tank to power it

[lethal girder]

thankfully i have the craftable propane mod so i can refill them! otherwise i think finding tanks would get really annoying haha

[viral lily]

is there any mod like this for b41? i'm going to look later but if anyone knows beforehand it would be appreciated

[dusky grove]

Unfortunately there's not no, and porting this one to b41 is going to take too much time for me

[viral lily]

awh, that's alright

it's still a great mod though!

[dusky grove]

B42.13 broke the mod 😥 They made player:setTemperature() no longer accessible to me, which the mod relies on

[dusky grove]

Fix has been found, will push a patch soon

[lofty creek]

Awesome

[molten vortex]

Does this take into account wood stoves & fireplaces? even when the wood stoves been running with zero holes it seems to go to outside temp and then shoot up to 70 degress when im inside

[golden kindle]

Awesome mod

[dusky grove]

It should be working yeah, I just tested with an antique stove and it's properly raising the temps inside gradually

[dusky grove]

Cheers buddy!

[molten vortex]

the main issue is leaving the cell & coming back to a heat source thats already on, that works fine