Weird forest

[silver zephyr]

Literally unplayable

[white furnace]

ikr

Im just curious why this looks that way

[silver zephyr]

Devs didn't draw forests by hand, it is generated by algorithm

Idk why algorithm has this separation tho

[white furnace]

Gotcha, so is that going to be slowly fixed over time?

[silver zephyr]

You aren't meant to come here even

[white furnace]

What about these areas

Its all over the map

[silver zephyr]

As TiS usually says

"low on priority list"

They're going to fix this in the polishing update, this is like build 47

[white furnace]

I mean there is not ONE forest that is 100% proper

[white furnace]

So like 4-5 years?

[silver zephyr]

Lmfao

[white furnace]

I dont mind how long they take 😭

The longer the more polished it is

[silver zephyr]

It takes them 4-5 years for one build

So 20 years approximately

[white furnace]

Okay so never

[silver zephyr]

I'll be fucking old when they'll finish build 50

That's crazy

[white furnace]

If they hold on that long they'll have impressed the entire WORLD of gaming

I see zero chance they survive that long

I mean GTA is the type of game that can do that

[river spade]

Well every game now has a seed now so the wilderness will be different unless you use that seed so yeah im only assuming things will get fixed overtimr. If that is the online b42 map, that isnt the offical one

[silver zephyr]

They sold 10 million copies, I believe they have enough money to keep going for century

[white furnace]

By the time they finish zomboid the tech will be so out-dated that theyll have to re-finish it

[silk kettle]

that is called development

[white furnace]

Oh the forest is always different?

[white furnace]

Oh yes been there done that myself. Though I figured they had a better timetable going.

[silver zephyr]

I have cancer developing in my testicles, I hope I'll see this game finished before doctors will cut off my balls... /j

[white furnace]

Like if it takes this long to make updates I figured they'd have a roadmap with a finish line and not just dev till they die

[white furnace]

What a power statement

[copper gust]

I AM HERE

[river spade]

Yah, im not home or id show you but we can enter seeds now for world generation for wilderness so things will be weird while its worked on

[copper gust]

Serenty condolences

[silk kettle]

"finished"? I don't want it to finish, I want it to get better and better ... what is your damn point?

[white furnace]

Okay so really this may/may not be a bug for a while. It might just be due to the seed or the online map?

I imagine its not even noticable in-game

[silver zephyr]

Finish is the point where you can't do better for me

[river spade]

Exactly

Wip stuffs lol

[white furnace]

So if zomboid is going to take forever to develop, this isn't one of the games I should be waiting to play, huh?

Like I was waiting for Build 42 to be finished but I guess thats fruitless?

[autumn hamlet]

Biome map is WIP, it causes things like turning corn plants and decorative hedges into bushes. Maybe it causes these biome border areas look broken like in the pictures, too.

[autumn hamlet]

January 2026, by then I would almost assume B42 is complete

[silver zephyr]

Build 42 is gonna be finished, some day... I expect it to be finished before 2026

And still this is the most long-developed build

[white furnace]

Ill probably end up playing if it doesnt release by Jan 2026

[silver zephyr]

This is not 40 -> 41 lvl at all

[copper gust]

I cant wait for Project Zomboid 2

[white furnace]

I found this game not too long ago, on build 41. So this is the first time ive seen them update.

[white furnace]

Seems like Build 43 is just gonna have to be cut short and they should make the second one 😭

I mean realistically technology will advance so much by the time they reach Build 44/45 that they might as well start over

[autumn hamlet]

I can guarantee you they won't start over lol

[copper gust]

I am thinking once they have all the resources, the later builds will speed up

[white furnace]

Well duh because they've spent so much time and effort into it.

But the current dev speed is just a little confusing because it seems like they're going fast AND slow

Like the patch notes come so fast and so many changes/fixes its like they never sleep

But progress also seems insanely slow?

[silver zephyr]

Smells like copium

[white furnace]

Cant even use gifs in my own fkn post

[copper gust]

I mean, theres only so much coding one can do

[white furnace]

What a world

[autumn hamlet]

Perhaps its passion, perhaps its the "no crunch time" policy that AAA studios abuse, as in, using crunch time to ship out slop content because investors want moneys

Indie Stone won't sacrifice quality for fast releases

[white furnace]

It just seems like whatever system they have to update the game, it takes them a LOT of time and isnt easy

[copper gust]

when they stop adding systems, it should be time to finish the game

[silver zephyr]

TiS treats PZ like their pet project and not public available product

That's how I see it

[white furnace]

Once they finish proper survival mechanics, I see no need to ever update the game further. Mods have the rest covered.

[copper gust]

all I can see from here , is crafting, npc's and a automotive rebuild

I've been playing since before cars

it was terrilble

[white furnace]

Well Ig I lied because i did play a LONG time ago in like 2014

[copper gust]

whatever town you are in, that's were you remain

[white furnace]

I think i remember NPCs

[silver zephyr]

Whole zomboid experience was terrible before b41 tbh

[autumn hamlet]

I mean come on, there are games that are 20+ year old and still developing content. World of Warcraft. Like it or hate it, I don't see why Indie Stone wouldn't keep working on PZ. Smaller team, but also smaller niche to fill, and Indie Stone isn't a greedy studio.

[white furnace]

NPCs + Build 42 = Finished Zomboid

[copper gust]

I want animated cars

[white furnace]

They'll keep working on it, but with what money? They've gotta be making money somehow, and eventually sales dwindle.

[silver zephyr]

There's so much shit that this game needs to clean

[copper gust]

and vanilla car tweaking, like armor panels

[white furnace]

I meant as in features and new content. They need to improve a lot, and fix a LOT of optimization and bugs.

[autumn hamlet]

Dwindle? Oh boy, just B41 made them rocket. B42 with multiplayer, in finished state is how they go to the moon

[white furnace]

The whole game is still a little janky

[copper gust]

most of which is done by mods

so the coding exists already

[autumn hamlet]

I don't see how each major build bringing tons of content for years to come, would suddenly crash out profit wise

[silver zephyr]

I'm gonna be fellow modmaker that will take part in fixing one of my favourite games lead by not so favourite studio

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

[white furnace]

But eventually won't they have done all the rocketing they can? New audiences don't spawn overnight, and eventually they'll not have enough masses to sell to

[white furnace]

Im waiting for project zomboid to be finished so I can fix everything the devs dont or cant☺️

[autumn hamlet]

You could literally ask that from a dev in the B42 chat. Indie Stone HAS to have someone good with revenue to handle their economy, and I really really doubt they're just spending the money on stupid shit instead of paving the way for 10+ years to come

There's millions and millions of gamers...

[white furnace]

True. They're probably planning ahead for everything.

[autumn hamlet]

I don't think they have touched even 1% of that audience...

[silver zephyr]

I believe they invested money from millions of sold copies

That would be the smartest move tbh

[white furnace]

I hope one day we have better modding support for maps

[silver zephyr]

A way to make large heap of money useful

[white furnace]

Because right now editing the map makes me wanna not exist

[silver zephyr]

You gotta be a little insane to make your own town in PZ

[white furnace]

A little is an understatement

I once had the largest map ever made in PZ i swear

It included literally everything that could be included

Plus a few of my own edits

[autumn hamlet]

There should be some map-making interested people in the usual B42 chat, they did mention about mapping tools becoming better for B42

[white furnace]

I'd like to see a point where we can have 10-15 cities in one map and the game still function

[silver zephyr]

Would be awesome if they listened to feedback of hired mappers

[steel basalt]

lmao

[fickle hearth]

more or less 9 years considering they work so slow with so much resources

[white furnace]

i'd say they work at normal speeds. They've only got like 20 people working on it and continue to release consistent large updates/fixes

[silver zephyr]

That's extremely optimistic

If each update is going to take 4 years, we will have build50 released in 32 years

[white furnace]

This just reminds me of Rockstar

[white furnace]

We will have GTA 7 before Project Zomboid: Full Release

To be fair, with this type of game, I can see why. This is exactly the type of game you would want them to take their time with

[fickle hearth]

they have the money to hire 300 and retain quality

[river spade]

Just because you have money doesnt mean hiring more people makes things faster

[white furnace]

Go take a business or economics course 😭

Like truthfully im very ignorant to this stuff, but my common sense alarm is telling me you can't just hire 300 employees because you've got the money at the moment.

Plus if they did have the money to hire that many employees, they still don't need to hire anymore. You don't NEED to expand expand expand because you CAN

[silver zephyr]

I'm not sure the process of development is even optimized enough to hire new workers

Lemmy isn't exactly good teamlead

[white furnace]

I could bet money it isnt. It seems like they've got a very lax environment where they're just doing whatever they feel important atm

[silver zephyr]

Exactly

[white furnace]

They could probably improve their efficiency massively, but doing so comes with risks they clearly arent willing to take

Plus, I always think that a game developed by the original loving team in 20 years is better than a game churned out by 200 hired developers in a year

[river spade]

Nobody is perfect but nots act like some people in the community arent a tad dickish

[silver zephyr]

'

I'll have to ask chatgpt about this sentence, I literally can't read it 😭

Oh, I get it

Ok?

[river spade]

I am saying that not everyone is perfect , but dealing with the community sometimes and what they say and how they go about giving feedback and concerns is ridiculous., saying someone isnt fit as a lead when youre not in that persons shoes with that responsibility is kind of weird thing to bring up

[silver zephyr]

One can draw conclusions about a leader by looking at the team's performance. Lemmy has also repeatedly demonstrated his unprofessionalism in instances where he has clashed with the community

I'm a part of some development team, after all

Tbh "Just hire more employees" sounds like "Print more money" to me lol

[river spade]

Yeah i dont want to talk about this thanks

[silver zephyr]

I think that's quite good analogy

[fickle hearth]

my school doesn’t offer this until 11th

[white furnace]

Because education systems are wack when it comes to actually educating

If you're in america they don't offer to teach you any language until 9th at minimum, and by then it's already too late to really learn a new language properly.

[white furnace]

lmfao frr

[silk kettle]

it is
but that is not what Puppers was saying

[silver zephyr]

Do you got anymore of them?

' and ","

[silk kettle]

[silk kettle]

this is the point

[silver zephyr]

What the author is saying here is that everyone has flaws, but some members of the community behave in particularly unpleasant or aggressive ways.

I don't get it

It doesn't makes sense in my head

[silk kettle]

what doesn't make sense?

[silver zephyr]

How the first and the second part of sentence are connected

1. Everyone has flaws
   Ok
2. Some people are rude
   Ok

What's the point of it?

[silk kettle]

he isn't perfect person and dealing with toxic community - like u sometimes - is difficult

[silver zephyr]

Now this sounds a little better