#The combat changes are ridiculous

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still sky
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The picture shows what im talking abt. I entered that fight with 100 endurance. 15 zombies later and im down to 40. I cant fight i can do ANYTHING because everytime i try to fight i get down to out of breath after 4 zombies. PLEASE for the love of god revert whatever u guys did the combat. i dont think ive ever been more frustrated playing this game. Love the rest of the update though

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drifting ermine
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the game is literally just being more realistic, and a lot of people are managing to get around these changes

still sky
white epoch
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And if you get muscle fatigue pop painkillers it'll keep you going for a bit longer.

still sky
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No one asked them for these changes

foggy oxide
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I did and i love it 😁 😁

brazen yacht
white epoch
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They've given guns a major buff so theres your answer

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Melee was the meta in build 41, people need to just acclimatize to the change

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Melee is still viable, but it competes with guns, which is balanced

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Pros and cons to both now

white epoch
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Plenty asked

stiff gyro
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In the spirit of immersion and realism, I feel like the changes are pretty spot on. As annoying as it may be to be fatigued after fighting four zombies. I can't imagine very many people being able to Leonidas a legion of the hungry dead anyway.

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Of course, if you want to be Titus and hack down legions of the dead, there are mods and settings to accomodate that.

still sky
white epoch
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Np, its definitely overtuned atm so I dont blame you

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But yeah, it makes guns much more appealing to use atm

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I'm thinking the aim of the game is to use the guns you find through scavenging houses and minor gun locations (police departments, Knob creek gun range) to then attack larger locations (Army Surplus, LV checkpoint etc.)

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At least thats the way I'm doing it, seems like a natural progression

brazen yacht
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Realistic , the way that guns works are very unrealistic , how you are gonna be so bad a shooting

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Really annoying

white epoch
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It's actually better now than it was in b41 lol

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But you're right I think it could be more forgiving

brazen yacht
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I dont care the 41

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I care the game tofay

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Today

white epoch
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You should have a 90% chance to hit if its maybe 10-15 metres away

brazen yacht
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Is like the game is good ... With mods

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If in real life tou give me a m16 i kill 75% more than the in the game

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Even the amount of times that the guns get stuck is a joke

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A bad one

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Kids kill a lot of people irl in usa schools and i can hit one zed with a m16 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

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Cant

wheat horizon
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Also note the difference in 5/5 fitness and strength character and one with 8/8 is quite large and I bet leveling up combat skills has the largest impact on melee combat

brazen yacht
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Im im echko creek shooting place and only you can use fire and burn it all

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Is almost impossible to clean that in melee

wheat horizon
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Yeah, some places are just made to be avoided. Or cleared out using sketchy tactics like the fire bomb and car trick. I can’t imagine living in a city now, it’s too many of them. I managed to get into Irvington and almost died because they are everywhere and pretty dense

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I do have to try guns now. Haven’t took a single shot yet

brazen yacht
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And i love realism , the new mechanic is annoying but real , is a shit but ... Is real , indont like it but im gonna find the way to do it ... Like in real life , but if indie stone defenda realism some thinks are really stupid

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Like i need " common sense " because i can open car with the bar

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And thinks like that

white epoch
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Ive noticed too that bloody guns jam WAY more

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So Ive been trying to to use the guns to push zs away

white epoch
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So it's even easier to level them up

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I recommend getting the books first then using guns

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Or if youre a police officer or veteran

wheat horizon
river matrix
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Its more realistic. You arent supposed to be a rambo the moment you spawn down lol. The game now scales properly, and it values strategy and crafting. You can turn off the strain mechanic anyways

brazen yacht
brazen yacht
river matrix
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its for people to test the gun changes

brazen yacht
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I know that some things are gonna change but i dont see any effort with some thinks

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Thanks that we have moddera

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Modders

river matrix
brazen yacht
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Im not gonna lie , sorry

river matrix
# brazen yacht Modders

Game is slowly making things vanilla that previously were modded. Its also more high quality. However people are now beginning to hate on things that can be ignored, like devs specifically give you the option to not use it

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like the combat mechanic

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I wont defend the new art cuz its bad lol, but majority of the things in this update are great

boreal shadow
river matrix
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Honeslty you can put the strain modifier to a 0.5 and it will feel so much better and will also make you not be able to just terminate half a city in a day

teal lichen
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Have you change the muscle strain to 0.5 it seem fine if you do that

exotic delta
odd iron
exotic delta
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However, since it's a sandbox game, just go into the settings and turn down the fatigue multiplier lmao

odd iron
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Exactly

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The point about combat is fair, but you literally have the tools to revert it yourself

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You can even disable stealth and shit I believe

exotic delta
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The pace change is highly praised, gone are the days where it was easy to just kill everything, but now there is a way for people to play the game the way it was designed

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which is that you are at the very mercy of the apocalypse, you're going to die lmao

odd iron
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hell yea

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Personally, I was always more of a fan of slow pace, which is why I made TLOU Infected the way it is, to have way lower zombie population but very very dangerous and strong zombies

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So the stealth changes and the combat changes are amazing

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But I get it, some prefer to mow down hordes

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But you can't just say "revert it" when you have the tools to tweak it

boreal shadow
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How is stealth now? I took inconspicuous but I got no clue if it’s doing anything

sturdy linden
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and you can crouch behind a short fence and not get noticed even at lvl 0

boreal shadow
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Oh shit

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Been waiting for that

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What about cars?

sturdy linden
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I heard they work as stealth things now, but zombies notice you if you get in

sand cave
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yeah they kinda took it a step to far with the new zombie pop and spawns

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im currently trying normal but probably gonna go down to around .7-8 next time

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the melee is alr.. just alr, realism is very cool but when the muscle fatigue and endurance mechanics are just kinda annoying

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realistic 100 percent, anyone would be tired after downing 4 zombies with an axe

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BUT that doesnt take away from the fact that not everyone wants a super realistic zombie sim

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and thats kinda what pz was even in 41 but i think 41 nailed the balance of realism and enjoyment

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aside from the poorly balanced stuff like the melee, which was a bit to op

brazen yacht
sand cave
brazen yacht
sand cave
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yeah im ditching my current run and ima put it on like .7 population with less combat fatigue

brazen yacht
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When we have many more mods, I will play another mode

sand cave
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yeah

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i also may do a run later on wayyy later into the apocalypse

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kinda like the 10 years later mod in 41

white epoch
brazen yacht
# white epoch Bait

yeah sometimes ... but i think that now i live more , i hate read books , i need the 8x mod , i need true music too , that mode save my game in pz cause i was very bored of the game in certain moment but with true music i got like 400 hrs more

covert trout
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honestly I prefer the old mode of combat because I like killing a lot of zombies

torn coyote
torn coyote
trim kestrel
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They did adjust default to be way better now

exotic delta
trim kestrel
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Now the default feels way better, being 0.6 instead of 1

sharp shard
# still sky The picture shows what im talking abt. I entered that fight with 100 endurance. ...

Bro, this is meant for you to formulate strategies in the game, to deal with zombies in the most human way possible. Zomboid was never made for you to simply kill everything in front of you like a superhuman. I found this addition amazing and hope they never revert it; it adds more difficulty and makes you much more apprehensive, especially with the new lighting. The devs did an excellent job.

boreal shadow
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“Build 42 is too hard" mfs when I show them all the cool distraction devices you can make with electrical

slow herald
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Put less zombie in the world then and tweak sandbox Settings to get less big group of Z
Put your character with full strengh and fitness if yall want to get easy game easy loot you have Settings for this
Let us enjoy a more difficult and realistic game

brisk inlet
inland crater
white epoch
inland crater
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So shotguns nerfed but other guns are buffed?

edgy flame
# inland crater So shotguns nerfed but other guns are buffed?

Pretty much. At level 0 in gunplay, I used to hit maybe 1 time in 7 shots with the M9. Now I hit maybe 1 out of 3. Still a bad tactic since it draws Zs attention, but at least the gun has gotten somewhat viable even to unskilled mooks such as me'self. 😉

inland crater
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I know my aiming is still a little low, level 3 aiming, but I just tested every gun with it and comparing to build 41 its absolute dog shit, if I compared 41 melee to guns and 42 melee to guns, its a huge fucking nerf, melee is way better in 42 and guns are way better in 41

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I must be missing something

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with level 3 aiming in 41 I could wreck havoc with a shotgun or a pistol, or even a rifle would be way more effective than what I'm getting now

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not complaining about the gun nerfs, just not understanding why several people think they are better

boreal shadow
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Yeah I think you’re just doing something wrong

umbral bison
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I like these changes

inland crater
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How do you use the new aiming system effectively/efficiently?

trim kestrel
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Also

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Don't be panicked

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Stressed

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Or other negative moodles

distant girder
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Try busting 4 heads open with a lead pipe without getting tired

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Especially for most america population it's not that easy