drifting bramble
TBH it works quite well, but I am aware that a few of the positives are a bit wasted. I just don't quite know what to take instead of "Lucky", "Antique collector", "scrounger" and a couple more. Probably evasive and super immune as well, but those two make it a lot easier to survive the first 2-3 weeks of healing broken bones, injuries and burns.
I am using the "More Traits" mod.
strong pilot
im mean ive always felt like super immune was jsut a way to cheat death idk what toher traits you should go with, imo antique collector is fun, not super usefu, but fun
torpid osprey
TBH it works quite well, but I am aware that a few of the positives are a bit wa...
I'd get some strength traits instead of loot traits
imo loot is already abundant
drifting bramble
im mean ive always felt like super immune was jsut a way to cheat death idk what...
It is a bit cheaty. Gotta agree there. I just got tired of creating new chars on solo runs.
drifting bramble
I'd get some strength traits instead of loot traits
Not wrong. Loot is plentiful, but strength traits are generally not even available with the "Weak" trait as a negative and I'd rather have that.
I can always work out to get strength and stamina back up. I see a lot of traits as something I can compensate given time.
strong pilot
I can always work out to get strength and stamina back up. I see a lot of traits...
nah working out takes a shit load of time, its not worth the pain so the higher level of strength or fitness starting out with the better
drifting bramble
It does take a lot of time. But it doesn't take that long on 3x speed 😄
strong pilot
It does take a lot of time. But it doesn't take that long on 3x speed 😄
no it still does
lol
drifting bramble
"Weak" is 10 points, which is quite nice but I could probably get rid of a couple positives for it. "Lucky" and "Antique collector" will easily compensate for that.
strong pilot
yeah get rid of weak
not worth the absoulute stupid amount of time needed to get that xp back
drifting bramble
Yeah, it does take time. I tend to do those strenght and stamina after raiding my first book stores and VHS stores so I can work on other skills while working out or resting.
strong pilot
yeah, honestly 4 vhs tapes after reading the book for carpentry level 7 was crazy man
drifting bramble
I have addons for a whole load of books, skill magazines and more VHS tapes too.
But it is a little annoying working those up. I don't disagree. I just usually don't rush it too much. Working out up to around lvl 5 doesn't take too long.
The rest does
strong pilot
yeah i have book mods for the combat and stelath skills but not passive skills
im a fast paced guy and playing with sprinters thoesn't bode well with muscle fatigue
drifting bramble
I'll revise my next build though! I wont be able to choose more strength stuff, really, but I think a couple of the other positives I already have inculde some strength
Yeah, I don't have sprinters 😄
strong pilot
lol im a masochist
drifting bramble
Understandable. I often play while drinking though 😄
Hard of hearing makes it tricky some times ^^
solid dragon
Taking weak means you have less capacity to carry your increased loot spawns
torpid osprey
Not wrong. Loot is plentiful, but strength traits are generally not even availab...
didn't even notice you having weak
fitness over strength 💯 but having both is optimal
drifting bramble
Taking weak means you have less capacity to carry your increased loot spawns
True. Until I work out some more. I've got "Pack mule" to increase that. But it does seriously limit my abilities to carry things to start with. Then again my first couple of weeks are mostly spent tending to my many wounds and staying out of trouble, which leaves plenty of time to work out and get things started.
"Burn victim" and "Broke leg" is pretty harsh when combined with "Anemic" and "Slow healer". Changing those neck bandages and cleaning the burns is just barely survivable on full health. Lots of points though.
You can still work out until you max both, which I usually do slowly but surely. This build is for long term advantages. Not to boost my initial stats. If I can work off the negatives I don't have much trouble taking my time to deal with that. It's been quite some time since I survived less than a year. This isn't a build for a new player.
Appreciate the input though. I will keep this in mind!
drifting bramble
fitness over strength 💯 but having both is optimal
Oh, they're both important. Very important. Since I start at 0 on both stats I just do jumping jacks a few times a day to train both at once. The whole day, all week, if I find painkillers/regularity is maxed. Without painkillers it's pretty much impossible to sleep with all that damage for the first week (Agony), not until my char is ready to pass out, so there's is plenty of time to work out.
torpid osprey
i would definitely pick immunocompromised over whatever the good one is
i generally have good luck avoiding damage in the first place
i will show what I'd personally make using more traits in a sec
drifting bramble
It is a very limited/boring build to start with, but once you work off the negatives, which is entirely doable, the advantages long term from the other stats feel like they're worth it.
drifting bramble
i would definitely pick immunocompromised over whatever the good one is
Agreed tbh. I rarely get bit anyway and "Evasive" is surprisingly effective even at the low percentage it reduces your chance to get attacked.
"Hard of hearing" is probably the one that takes the biggest toll in that department. I can't see (Hear) any zombies behind me until they're attacking and they tend to come out of nowhere.
torpid osprey
with hearing aid mod i think it negates it
drifting bramble
I also have the "They knew" mod, so there are Zombovixir cures out there.
drifting bramble
with hearing aid mod i think it negates it
True. I have looked at it, but I almost feel like I'd be cheating. It's "bad" enough that the glasses negate "Short sighted" 😄
I spend a lot of my time just collecting and repairing cars though. Killing zeds is just a way to clear areas around the cars I want 😄
There's couple more rows of cars down at the bottom that don't show up here and a whole lot more awaiting restoration at a parking lot across the street.
Some of the cars in the "waiting lot" are restored and inside the collection though. The parking lot pic is older than the indoor collection.
torpid osprey
thats amazing
negatives
positives
starting profession police officer, strength 9 and tailoring 1 on the bottom
the panic and underweight doesnt affect the melee damage too much, zombies are still 1-3 hits with an axe
i usually run mods like become brave/desentisized so the panic is non existant around the time im comfortable using guns
heavily offensive build with some utility, like mechanics, metalworking, electrical and tailoring, also possible to hotwire cars immediately
drifting bramble
What's "Alcoholic" like? I never even dared trying it since alcohol seems so limited until you can hit up a bar or something.
What does "Incomprehensive" do again?
I don't know if I dare do "thin skinned" with "Anemic" tbh. Seems like something that will get me in trouble! Decent points though.
I use the "Become desensitized" mod as well, but it's turned up a lot. Between 3000-5000 kills.
Never quite saw the point of being a quick worker tbh. I went to opposite way.
Your bonus XP on pretty much everything is impressive though.
torpid osprey
i'd say the only traits giving me issues are:
fearful(essentially constant q spam at max panic)
injured(possible bad rng, can have a long ass lasting burn or laceration on legs or hands)
clumsy(high fitness, sprinting and hardy means you basically sprint and run all the time, you can get injured, often i opt out of using clumsy for that reason)
drifting bramble
I have "injured", "broke leg" and "burn ward" anyway. Might as well stack it all up if I'm gonna be tending to the burns for a week or two anyway 😄
torpid osprey
What's "Alcoholic" like? I never even dared trying it since alcohol seems so lim...
alcoholic is kind of broken, very rarely i get the need to drink, but maybe its because i use alcohol as a panic reduction item
incomprehensive means you have a small chance of losing a few items from containers (like 5-10%max chance per container)
drifting bramble
I was never one for creating "fire congas" anyway, so I don't mind not being able to set fires.
torpid osprey
quick worker makes you do actions faster, like getting into cars, opening hoods, changing parts, sawing logs, basically all crafting
good for a faster paced gameplay
drifting bramble
quick worker makes you do actions faster, like getting into cars, opening hoods,...
Yeah. It doesn't take that long with slow worker tbh, so I didn't see the point. Though some times it'd be nice to hotwire a car in 2 seconds and gtfo.
torpid osprey
i dont have the carpentry boost but never really needed it as VHS tapes are very very plentiful for carpentry
drifting bramble
Yeah, and you can just chop trees and saw logs until you have thousands of them to max it out.
torpid osprey
yep
drifting bramble
I notice there's no bonus on fitness either, but you start out pretty fit anyway.
torpid osprey
burn ward patient used to only have the no crafting and using fire thingy, i would sometimes take it
torpid osprey
I notice there's no bonus on fitness either, but you start out pretty fit anyway...
ingame it still says +125%
torpid osprey
burn ward patient used to only have the no crafting and using fire thingy, i wou...
but an update changed that
anemic is not worth it
better to just take thin skinned for the extra points
drifting bramble
Oh, nice. I think mine has 75% on fitness as well, but it doesn't show up the summary.
torpid osprey
better to just take thin skinned for the extra points
as the effect (same as thick skinned) completely gets negated if you wear clothing with protection
drifting bramble
I will definitely add "thin skinned" then. It should even stack with "Anemic". It'll be fine!
If can survive "Burn ward" with "anemic" it shouldn't be much of a problem. Just get some proper neck protection. Neck and groin are pretty much the only places that bleed quick and neck injuries can be patched up while walking. I don't think groin ones can though. Any other damage is still pretty slow bleed.
torpid osprey
also slow healer is not a bad add, as it only increases severity of new wounds
it doesnt actually make you heal slower
drifting bramble
Yup, got slow healer.
I figured I'd read books and work out during my healing time anyway 😄
torpid osprey
i would switch out all the long blunt skills for either blade/blunt prowess
as guns prowess is underwhelming
drifting bramble
I mostly use guns and gamble that I'll find a bat early on to survive until I've raided a gun store or police station 😄
But the prowess is probably unecessary.
torpid osprey
blunt prowess with gordanite will definetly do much better and actually cost less, as crowbars last a lifetime and are sort of easy to find
you can grab gun specialist for 8 points for guns
drifting bramble
That's the one
I like getting my gun skill up fast
It usually doesn't take to long before you stumble across police zeds with shorguns and ammo
torpid osprey
ill show what i'd personally make if i picked burn ward, broke leg and injured
which leans towards long blunt and gun use
drifting bramble
And deprived 😄
torpid osprey
any other specifics btw?
torpid osprey
And deprived 😄
free points tbh
drifting bramble
Exactly
torpid osprey
i always pick it
drifting bramble
I'd like to be able to hotwire cars from the get-go really. I'm missing metalworking skills for that, which is a bit of a PITA.
Torches and welding masks are rare.
Or, wait.
It's electronics I'm missing
Still a PITA in the beginning.
All I'm really looking for is long term viability. I relish the grind to get there.
torpid osprey
are you running some sort of hotwiring mod
drifting bramble
There are magazines that will teach me that I think, but finding one in a random house is extremely rare and by the time I raid a book store or anything with a lot of reading material I usually know how to do it anyway.
torpid osprey
havent started on the positives yet but here's the negatives i'd pick
ascetic is also free points as i saw no or little effect
drifting bramble
What did "Ascetic" do again? And how bad is clumsy?
torpid osprey
i'd say the only traits giving me issues are:
fearful(essentially constant q spa...
basically this sums it up well
as long as you dont run over fences you wont get injured
torpid osprey
All I'm really looking for is long term viability. I relish the grind to get the...
ill keep this in mind
drifting bramble
as long as you dont run over fences you wont get injured
Just regular jumping fences is still fine?
Cause I still get damaged jumping fences quite a lot while running. Specially at the start with no strength and usually over encumbered with loot.
torpid osprey
Just regular jumping fences is still fine?
yeah
drifting bramble
In other words: I'm used to slowing down for fence jumps
torpid osprey
only if you run then theres a chance
torpid osprey
In other words: I'm used to slowing down for fence jumps
same, i had to learn to do that because it kept happening to me ahhaha
im picking positives and i've got 33 points left hahaha not sure what to pick as ive already picked all the main ones
any profession preferences btw?
drifting bramble
lol same. All the sudden I'm limping along all conspicously while bleeding out as an anemic and have to stop to bandage. Not a great time 😄
drifting bramble
any profession preferences btw?
I usually start out unemployed. But I work up all professions. Anything to do with restoring cars is a prio, but idc how high the skills are as long as I can hotwire from the start.
drifting bramble
My settings are that all cars are pretty much screwed with low chance of survivor vehicles. I'll have to fix up any car I find.
Or limp it home/as far as it goes.
Choosing an actual profession is a lot of points though, which is why I go unemployed every time. I used to choose "Burglar" just for the hotwiring though.
torpid osprey
havent started on the positives yet but here's the negatives i'd pick
positives
last trait is ingenuitive, didnt bother making another screenshot just for that
+strength 8, tailoring 1
drifting bramble
4 starting mechanics is decent imo
It is, but "Train mechanics" on these will get me way past that, easily (This is 18 days in on my most recent game and I only just started getting out of the house after healing my injuries)
torpid osprey
unwavering helps alot at the start and even later as it noticeably reduces your speed debuff
from injuries
drifting bramble
Any time I go out to raid nearby houses I go out on foot and drag home 2 cars. Many will be dismantled completely at home, but not until I've taken them apart and put them back together.
drifting bramble
unwavering helps alot at the start and even later as it noticeably reduces your ...
Interesting
The speed debuff from injuries can be life or death some times in the start
But how good is it 1 year down the line?
Or even 6 months in?
torpid osprey
torpid osprey
But how good is it 1 year down the line?
it can save your save, if you get injured while in a fight or something you have a better chance of survival
torpid osprey
i was able to take 3 zombies at a time with no multihit with just a pan
now i got clothing
drifting bramble
I was thinking more like opening car doors/hood etc. Not sure I'll have much use for moving slightly quicker. Keep in mind that I'll probably have 100% armor on all slots within a month or so. Getting injured doesn't happen a lot unless I jump fences or fall out of 2nd story windows.
I used to take "Martial artist" and spent a lot of time just pushing zeds over and standing on them while pushing the next one over, so taking out zeds are usually not a problem even without that as long there's three or less. Four or more it starts becoming a problem without that skill, but still doable.
But I forgot swings are affected by injuries as well. Would be nice to negate that.
BUT. It still seems like a trait that wont be worth much when my aim and reload is 10/10 and I'm carrying an M16 and 20 fully loaded mags.
Long term.
torpid osprey
well it's still nice to have
drifting bramble
I don't mind an extremely hard start. I want lasting bonus traits that will still be awesome 6 months down the line when I've got a fully kitted base and char.
torpid osprey
yeah true
drifting bramble
Granted there aren't a lot of those
But I've picked up quite a few now! Amazing input so far!
torpid osprey
i would remove ingenuitive, fit and stout from positives and incomprehensive from negatives
for a harder start
you still have 6 fitness 6 strength so working out isnt too bad
if you have fitness overhaul and/or skill book mod for strength and fitness id grab -2 fitness -2 strength traits (completely forgot what they were called since i never use them personally)
but i would definetly not take anything lower than 3 or 4 for those
4 if there's books
drifting bramble
i would remove ingenuitive, fit and stout from positives and incomprehensive fro...
I belive I do have fitness overhaul. Can't quite remember. There are over 450 active mods in my game.
Many/most of them cars and maps/tile packs, but still a alot. Far too many to recall from the top of my head.
torpid osprey
how hard is it to level after 5?
drifting bramble
It'll take at least a couple of days per skill doing jumping jacks at max regularity.
With painkillers
torpid osprey
i'd switch overhaul for books then personally
drifting bramble
There are books to improve fitness and strength?
torpid osprey
well a mod yes
if you use both at the same time the overhaul mod resets the book's multiplier and you can't reread the book
drifting bramble
ofc. Didn't know that was a thing. Ignore the background stuff, but these are the skills I can train. Lots of magazines and books to collect. Raiding just one books tore usually doesn't even yield 1/4 of what's available so even finding those books would be a challenge in itself.
Most of these skills are gained by watching VHS tapes while working out though ;D
The book overhaul mod is the one that increases skill as well as bonuses for reading skill books?
drifting bramble
I had something like that, but it was clashing with some other mod and caused literally thousands of errors every time I read a book and didn't work.
At this point, with this many mods even finding which one is causing issues is a days work. For me anyway. My coding knowledge is limited, but not non-existent, but I don't really know the code and dependencies in this game yet so it can be hard to find which one is causing issues and why.
torpid osprey
for sure
drifting bramble
I will try to get rid of long blunt skills though. Or any melee bonus skills really. Don't need those long term. Good call.
I will add thin skinned, clumsy and ascetic. Those all seem great. Then take a look at the extra points. A profession should be within reach after that. Mechanic or Burglar.
I know Gordonite is really good and I always carry a crowbar anyway to break into houses/cars/garages, but imho it's a bit too good.
And I'm usually well armed with guns down the line anyway
"Veteran" was a favorite of mine until I got the "Become desensitized" mod.
Still might be good tbh. I've set it up so it takes for ever to become desensitized.
How much pain does "Bad teeth" cause? Agony? For how long?
Hmm, just looked closer at Ascetic. "Dislike cooked food" doesn't seem great. I'll need to read a lot of books for entertainment?
torpid osprey
depending on how big the food is you may get up to severe pain i think for an ingame hour or two
or even less
it's essentially unnoticeable
torpid osprey
Hmm, just looked closer at Ascetic. "Dislike cooked food" doesn't seem great. I'...
i think it just doesn't work, i didn't see any impacts at all
drifting bramble
depending on how big the food is you may get up to severe pain i think for an i...
Long term I'll probably have painkillers anyway. I'm no stranger to popping pills in the game. I've even found there is a 2nd way to cancel yourself in the game once apart from drinking bleach...
drifting bramble
Just pills will do it! I'm sure alchohol alone will do it too 😄
Which reminds me. Alcoholic will be added too.
Long term I will have alcohol.
I was just worried withdrawals alone would kill me while I'm just sitting around with none of it for a couple of weeks in the start.
torpid osprey
same as ascetic, it doesn't work but unlike ascetic it sometimes does
i think the need for alcohol triggers randomly
and you only start dying after 72hrs of not consuming any
you negate it by drinking a beer which can be found not too hard-ly in fridges
torpid osprey
i think the need for alcohol triggers randomly
sometimes it doesn't even trigger at all
drifting bramble
I have options for dynamic traits in sandbox and one of them concerns the deadlyness of alcohol withdrawal. It's small, but it's there.
Keep in mind there will be two weeks of limping around and hiding behind curtains in the start. Maybe sneaking over to the next house when the one I'm in runs out of food. I usually go through 4-5 houses before I heal and alchol just seems rare in random houses. But I'll give it a shot.
torpid osprey
same as ascetic, it doesn't work but unlike ascetic it sometimes does
edited because i fucked up on the wording a bit
drifting bramble
RNG can always be a problem. Or a blessing. Like that big car collection pic I posted earlier. That was two houses down from where I spawned and and it was a random survivor house. Lots of food, books and quite a few weapons including an M16A1 on the zed "living" there and a great condition Power Wagon in the driveway with the keys in it. And this whole outfit. I kept it all along. Also gave the guy the a proper burial.
Well, the "Free hugs" sign is from someone else, but I like it so I had to wear it 😄
Bare hands kills are all from clearing my way through those houses unarmed with burn ward, broken leg and injured 😛
Melee ain't much of a problem even without blunt weapons or skills using them tbh
I'm gonna head to bed though, but please keep the tips coming. I very much appreciate the input even if I shoot down a lot of them 😄
torpid osprey
have a nice sleep I'm about to sleep as well
strong pilot
Bare hands kills are all from clearing my way through those houses unarmed with ...
The only problem I have with burn ward is not being able to use campfires or antique ovens when the power goes out. If you are far away from your base it can be a damn pain to deal with without the ability to cook the cabbages and fish I bring with on my journeys. Or heating my base in the winter.