The Skillful HuntZman

[ember fjord]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/05/the-skillful-huntzman/

[fleet drift]

Congratulations to Dirk for joining the PZ crew !

[abstract summit]

holy shit the migration is such a good idea

[verbal sorrel]

Can't wait, looking forward to the Camping side of the update.

[abstract summit]

also highkey hyped for pottery, just cuz it allows for a bit more creativity in terms of base building

[austere lichen]

noice

[waxen plaza]

wow, this all looks amazing

[crimson arch]

Congrats Dirk! Also very happy to see the late game being worked on ! Even if it’s not for everybody, an expansive crafting tree is a wonderful add-on and I’m very excited

[nova notch]

With animal migration being developed, it'd honestly be really interesting to see it applied to zombies in a new form of horde migration - Days Gone's amazing system comes to mind, where large numbers of zombies have "hibernation" areas like caves, underground areas, or empty train cars, where they just kind of linger around. They roam around a specific path until they get to a "feeding ground" area that's littered with corpses or debris, before cycling back around.

Could be really interesting to see certain key locations that have hordes roaming around, which would make certain areas more challenging but rewarding, hoping you don't run into a horde as its passing by or alert one accidentally with gunshots. A horde "hibernating" in the mall during the day, but leaving at night to roam the forests or town nearby.

Location hordes could also be turned on/off in the sandbox settings, for a more vanilla group of zombies experience we have currently.

[vapid latch]

I wasn't expecting a 6 min video on a small part of the new crafting system. Great job guys!

[crimson arch]

I wonder if migration could also be affected by seasons and weather, similar to how birds migrate south for the winter
Dunno if that’s what the team wants but would be a cool idea to see how seasons affect the animal’s migration?

[velvet current]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2onuBxhafg

also I already love the new system, can't wait for more sneak peeks and more complicated crafting

[dark meadow]

im so excoited!!

[mossy kayak]

I really liked how they are keeping things complicated, who wants to build a house from scratch with two clicks, just don't build it, or pay your community builder, if they always choose to make everything easy, we would have no end game

[mossy kayak]

yessss

[versed lily]

B42 is gonna be so comfy and relaxing 🥹

[merry flint]

Everything looking really amazing! Welcome to Dirk and Egor, can't wait for B42, more items, optimizations, crafting overhaul, animals and much more 👍

[barren fractal]

I’m still gonna grumble about how I feel there’s a split of what kind of game we are going for but I’ll put some trust in y’all

[wise ivy]

is it weird im mostly excited about optimizations, i think thats like the most essential thing that the game needs

[abstract summit]

Oh no i def am too

Sometimes the game runs like fart (esp before I got the mod where rain washes blood away) so im p happy

[rustic lotus]

nice

[dark meadow]

can you give more insight ? or your view stuffies

[merry flint]

Think you should look at it more so that they are adding a new 'way'/path you can take, not altering what we already know and can do. That's how I look at it at least.

Like they say, people who don't like this, don't have to take part in it. There'll be ways to do more "urban" crafting, too

[dark meadow]

Ya like for example I have a friend who has a hard time settings goals for herself and outside of looting and killingg zombies she just couldnt get into the game. I am hoping with crafting and late game stuff it will be more her bread and apples.

[merry flint]

Yeah. So I wouldn't look at it like them altering the direction of the game, more so adding new stuff you can do if you wish!

[rustic lotus]

nice that stones can now be used to make a camp fire

[fading abyss]

based

[barren fractal]

Ooooo I knew I’d stir the pot

Ah okay it’s not that bad lol

[dark meadow]

not stirring the pot , its nice reading different opinions from the community i wouldnt worry about it lol

[rancid delta]

Wait so the animal paths arent random geneed?

idk doesnt that mean i can just camp the animal spots?

[astral finch]

Dirk has joined our art team to pump out ever more delectable tiles to give our map more life, and its deepest parts some more intriguing objects to perceive in the darkness – and if you are interested in his fantastic work as a modder then we ran a Mod Spotlight on him only last week.

wowza

[dark meadow]

Though clearly once they are fully implemented the variation will be greater, and also dependent on stuff like the time of year.

[rancid delta]

true but I can always just go to the spots i know they will be

[dark meadow]

would be cool to see that depending on winter and spring and stuff

[rancid delta]

Zomboid always starts on the same day its not really too hard

besides once i know their general area it will be easier to find tracks

[dark meadow]

yah not sure how that works, im not sure if this is just a base for them to build off and fine tune laters

[rancid delta]

i honestly hope its random it might be too easy if its not

[narrow hedge]

love what i see int he videos. I also heard a few new songs, like in the deer migration video, we gettin more music too!?

[barren fractal]

I don’t know if I would say this is an alternate path when this Is considered “late game”

And I feel like the current stuff they are doing is focusing more on a “Minecraft survival” aspect versus a zombie apocalypse aspect

[dark meadow]

did it say you can disable it , i was reading too fasat lol

[barren fractal]

Which gets back to my point of addressing the issue of keeping zombies as one of the main threat

I mean I do like that they’re making it sandbox and giving option

Like for example, one of their ideas is having people specialize in a job

[dark meadow]

pz does pretty good job at customization so im sure there will be options for some

[rancid delta]

I mean its not like outside of zombie behavior thers not really much you could do to make them more of a threat

[barren fractal]

Well there is

[rancid delta]

specials arent allowed

[barren fractal]

Make the zombies attack you ala blood horde

[rancid delta]

Thats just better zombie behavior

and besides the heli event demonstrates this isnt as threatening as you think it is

[barren fractal]

Blood moon rather

[rancid delta]

I doubt the devs would add that

[dark meadow]

like 7days to die blood moon?

[barren fractal]

Except it would force you to make a base and add defenses to it

So yes it would be a threat

[rancid delta]

Its not that, its that the devs literally refuse to add these things, besides if you wanted that the horde night mod exists

[dark meadow]

i mean i already die a lot lol like i dont think i have lived longer than a month lol , outside of killing zombies , i would like some other lax stuff to do to just chill to

[barren fractal]

Well then that just comes right on back to my original problem

[mossy kayak]

wow I can become a potter

[barren fractal]

And that is why I’m stating it

[rancid delta]

You literally walk faster than the zombies they arent a threat at all

the only time i have feel threatened by zombies is on 16x or sprinters

[mossy kayak]

making a brick house would be cool

[rancid delta]

PZ zombies arent ment to be scary, like a looming threat when you have more things to do

[barren fractal]

Which is why I’m stating my opinion

[mossy kayak]

I like bricks

[rancid delta]

If you want more danger NPCs will be added

[mossy kayak]

eventually

[rancid delta]

i mean, just download horde night?

[barren fractal]

I feel the devs are moving away from it

[mossy kayak]

in the future

[rancid delta]

b43

[barren fractal]

That’s not the point

[rancid delta]

No this was the whole vision origionally

[mossy kayak]

apparently

[barren fractal]

I would like something official

[rancid delta]

like, from the very start

[rancid delta]

They havent?

[barren fractal]

It’s called zomboid

[dark meadow]

i think its their vision to be not like most zombie games , but their own rendition of their own style or something lol

if that makes sense im bad at descriptions

[rancid delta]

I would like you to look at the refused features list and the games early builds

[mossy kayak]

I gotta say indie stone is so slow it causes me occasional pain but the updates are bangers

[dark meadow]

Yah i went and played the oldest build on the beta options a couple days ago , its amazing how far the game has come since then.

[rancid delta]

Faster than mojang fr

[mossy kayak]

mojang usually pumps them out

[barren fractal]

I’m not the only person that has had this concern you know

[rancid delta]

the update contents are

Eh.

[barren fractal]

In fact I recall a thread on Reddit addressing many of my concerns

[mossy kayak]

they vary

[barren fractal]

One monster and the devs are tired

[rancid delta]

the problem is that this is flat out not the vision of the game

this is simply not the game they want to make

[mossy kayak]

what game

[barren fractal]

And what exactly is the game they want to make?

[azure atlas]

great to see new fantastic additions to the TIS team

[barren fractal]

Just a simulator?

Why when have the zombies then

[mossy kayak]

realistic zomboid survival I think

[rancid delta]

no like one where zombies are a real threat

[barren fractal]

Let’s just remove them

[rancid delta]

yeah thats the point

[mossy kayak]

indeed

[rancid delta]

nobody is stopping you there is literally a no zombies setting

[barren fractal]

That’s what I’m saying

I want more options for zombies

[mossy kayak]

like

[barren fractal]

So they CONTINUE to be a threat

[mossy kayak]

like what?

[dark meadow]

Also dont forget there are workshop support too so mod creators can create mods for people who want more challenging or different zombies.

[rancid delta]

sprinters, evolving zombies are all mods you can download

[barren fractal]

And not mods (which I’m glad are around)

[rancid delta]

What would be the differance to you

[barren fractal]

Yes guys guys guys I’m fully aware of mods

I’m talking things in game made by the devs that have less chance of breaking

Because it’s OFFICIALLY In the game

[mossy kayak]

okay

so what do you want

exactly

im confused rn

[barren fractal]

I already stated earlier lol

[mossy kayak]

I didn't see

[barren fractal]

More options like horde attacks on bases or something that will make them more a threat

So that making walls is actually something necessary

[dark meadow]

they said something like blood moon hoarde night

[mossy kayak]

the devs?

[barren fractal]

Nah me

[mossy kayak]

ok

[azure atlas]

they mentioned years ago when rimworld was more popular that they want a "Sadistic Director" storyteller who would make your life more difficult

[barren fractal]

And I’m being told that “no that’s not the devs vision” thus my “old man yells at cloud”ing that I feel the game is going a different direction

[barren fractal]

The devs of Rimworld or zomboid?

[dark meadow]

honestly i dont know , maybe im wrong

[mossy kayak]

this discussion is confusing

[barren fractal]

I know I’m in the minority

[mossy kayak]

ok

[ember fjord]

We mentioned this before Rimworld was even a thing tbh

[barren fractal]

I’d be down for some sadistic stuff

😏

[dark meadow]

lol make them open doors in your game, its fun

[azure atlas]

ah, thanks for correcting me 🙂

[rustic lotus]

nice

[ember fjord]

Still very much something we're going to do.

[barren fractal]

I mean in the end I get there’s mods to fill the holes

Kinky

[azure atlas]

very nice

[rustic lotus]

its nice to see lanterns being added to build 42.

[ember fjord]

If people are worried zombies aren't more of a threat, so be it.

Not like we're planning to waste the work on migration only on animals, etc.

Figure that by now people would assume that we have common sense tho

[rustic lotus]

living in the forest and never fear about getting eaten by a zombie

[narrow hedge]

i want to get eaten by a bear

[rancid delta]

honestly im just concerned that ill be able to rush hunting because i know animal pathing

[rustic lotus]

bears would be interesting to hunt

[barren fractal]

Well let’s be real

[rancid delta]

because the paths are preset

[rustic lotus]

just need some hunting calls to help hunt some deer.

[barren fractal]

In this day and age putting trust in devs can be difficult

[rancid delta]

I am going to be mauled by 20 bears on 16x

[barren fractal]

But I did say I’m putting some trust in you guys 😏

[rancid delta]

No i trust the zomboid devs

[barren fractal]

I trust you more than most devs lol

[ember fjord]

that's a thing irl though?

[rustic lotus]

get too close to a bear cub and mama bear will attack

[rancid delta]

true but animals change their pathing occasionally and it varies day by day, its more of a guideline than anything

[barren fractal]

Only devs I have some trust in would be yall and the drg devs

[rustic lotus]

I wonder if more recipe books will get added to make crafting skills more amazing.

[rancid delta]

Its generally, i know this area might have some animals

I dont know the exact paths or directions they are going

[barren fractal]

Animals have their little territory

I guess I come off snarky so I do apologize

I stand by with what I said but I’ll stop being a cotton-headed ninnymuggins

[rustic lotus]

getting mauled by a coyote

[barren fractal]

Brick walls sound interesting

I wonder how one will balance that

[rancid delta]

walking in the woods i get randomly mauled by a hawk now i cant play the game because my character's blind

[rustic lotus]

hunting an owl

[azure atlas]

yeah, I wish birds will be added, if only by modders

[mossy kayak]

😋

[rustic lotus]

hearing the hooting sound of an owl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buio3nkW77M

deer calls would be interesting

[azure atlas]

turkey call mod

xd

[mossy kayak]

bock bock

[azure atlas]

it's one of the funniest animal sounds

[rancid delta]

I would love like bushcrafting being a thing your caracters can do

Like your character just deciding the city isnt for him and goin off to the woods for a week with a knife a tent and a bottle

[azure atlas]

they said you will be able to make a functioning village starting from scratch 🙂

[mossy kayak]

if you read the proper "village" magazine

[azure atlas]

xd

[rustic lotus]

goose call

wild turkey to hunt and hearing their gobbling sounds

[barren fractal]

I hear turkeys in game all the time

[rustic lotus]

hunting a turkey would be interesting and make thanksgiving more useful to celebrate.

[strange hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/hunting-deer-animal-vs-human-fight-gif-12791946

zombie deer

[rustic lotus]

pet deer

[mossy kayak]

My only real concern is developers listening to one person or another too much, and thinking they represent the entire community, just because they are more active in messages. From the beginning they always did a good job in making decisions, and they will. The game needs to evolve and introduce new things and the developers have always known what they are doing, the minority who don't like the new stuff can play previous versions, besides the fact that the game is sandbox

ok

What happens when I'm drunk driving down the highway and hit a deer

[woven canyon]

"Operation Optimization is going very well, easily obtaining several hundred FPS on our dev hardware when zoomed out."
LETS GOOOOO

[barren fractal]

Sorry for having an opinion?

Maybe I’m acting vain lol

“You probably think this comments about youuuuuu, you’re sooooo vaaaiiiin”

[mossy kayak]

tf2 reference

[tardy island]

Clay can be dug up near rivers, and will be used to make bricks, tiles, roofing, pottery, and a whole host of other items and tiles to place in the world.

roofing 😳

[rustic lotus]

I wonder if we could make brick walls with that clay?

[frank zephyr]

Good to hear Dirk made it on to the team. Knew he might at least get an offer after reading the mod spotlight

[barren fractal]

I mean I would assume something like that

What else would we do with bricks (besides maybe throw them)

[graceful roost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3gE3T-nTaY&t=48s&ab_channel=IndieStone

woah

this goes hard

[rustic lotus]

if we could foster care some wild baby animals

[graceful roost]

god the new music is so good

the only thing I'm worried about is how deer paths and such will interact with modded maps, especially some legacy ones that aren't worked on anymore

obviously such things cant be held onto, progress is important

but it would be a shame to have to cut some because deer get stuck in a city or something

[mossy kayak]

They said in the blog that you can set custom paths for them

[crimson arch]

I'm not sure with legacy maps that aren't being worked on anymore but it does sya "Well basically throughout the day our deer will follow paths that our designers (and modders) can map out in our WorldEd tool – and in the vid you can see a virtual animal following a path."

Hopefully theres settings to help with legacy maps to not break them with the deer migration and pathing, im not sure what those settings will be, maybe people will reupload legacy maps with the edited pathing ?

people have reuploaded legacy mods updated to B41 before

[gritty forge]

Hi, I actually work with tiles, and i saw that clay can be made to make tiles. If the crafting list is going to be as exhaustive as possible, does this also mean that we will need to make mortar to set those tiles on the floor properly?

[ebon stag]

I am SOOO excited for what I've seen!

But I have a question about the craftables.
For instance, will I be able to find these items while looting?

I understand that the crafting system is for late game, but my question is whether or not the new craftable materials will be lootable in early game. Because it would feel a little awkward to have to fire shingles from day one, as though I could just get shingles from the store.

But of course there's also the skills involved in making brick walls and roofing shingles preventing the average Joe from building a fortress.

So it won't be OP to loot building materials if you're not a construction worker.

[rustic lotus]

metal baseball bat sighted in video

[mossy kayak]

hooray

nailed metal bat

would that even work or would the nails mess it up

[hidden arch]

Truly excited for Build 42

Looking good it'll be dope if they could keep the animals pathing in the woods early in the game then eventually later in the game the animals start roaming the towns

[north trench]

Probably they should have same treatment as the wooden constructable objects, which get better and more refined as you become a more skilled carpenter

they will need a separate skill, tho

probably tie crafting and building with advanced materials into one crafting skill

[arctic void]

100% agree with specifically this. For me this is one of the main things that is missing. We go to so much effort for our safehouses, making them comfortable and defensible. However, once the initial clear out is done you rarely have to actually defend your home very much, save for the odd wandering zed or two. As always with PZ it could be a configurable system.

It could be as simple as "your base attracts a horde every X days", or it could more robust and utilise migration, current z pop levels and noise mechanics a bit more to make the experience more dynamic

The addition of radio channels run by NPC survivors that can provide information on hordes and loot availability would tie into this kind of thing very nicely. You could call in a survey request once per day with options such as "how much loot is in X town?" or "where can i find X item?". Information supplied to the player could be vague/cryptic or the other survivors may even have no information on your request at all

[arctic void]

Id also like to once again make a note about zombie vision too. We all know there is nothing poor about the current "poor" setting for vision. What i would like to see done about this is for zeds to have a bit of a wind up time for spotting you based on what you are doing. What this means is if you are standing, walking or sneaking Zeds must succeed in multiple vision checks (instead of just one) before deciding you are in fact alive, and not a fellow undead. On the other hand; go sprinting past them and they wont even have to think about.

[graceful roost]

Id prefer a simplier system

crouching, sneaking, the rain, fog, etc just flatly reduces the amount of tiles a zombie can spot you from

[arctic void]

That is one way, only it would have to not apply to any zeds that are currently in pursuit of you, so that you cant just crouch when you get to 10 tiles away and break the pursuit. Iirc this is why they changed it to how it is now. To me itd be better to simulate a time period where a zed actually has to decide whether or not what it sees is edible rather than relying entirely on a hard radius which instantaneously rolls a boolean, as these configurations can be prone to creating unrealistic situations

[mossy kayak]

Please optimize fps

[arctic void]

Ya definitely didnt read the blog 😅 that's a huge part of B42

[mossy kayak]

i wonder if b42 releases before summer holidays

or atleast an exp version

[austere crest]

Ahahaha, sweet summer child

[wet zinc]

What is there to be optimized xD

[charred crypt]

everything is going pretty well so far

its gonna be so fun in multiplayer

[rugged wedge]

i really hope this all comes out before my summer break ends, it's gonna be amazing

[barren fractal]

Highly unlikely

Also one thing that kind of annoys me with the whole “just use mods” stuff is that mods often get abandoned

That’s why it’s nice to have official support

[coral crane]

2024 summer break? There's a chance!

[umbral kite]

B42 June 15th

2023

[barren fractal]

Wishful thinking

[mossy kayak]

september 32

[ebon stag]

Uh, that just seems kinda silly. Like, there's just a post-apocalypse radio show letting you call in to ask questions?

It be better if it was less systemized, and just naturally happened, where you could hear in on survivors in various areas of the map communicating with each other (and you have to listen in to figure out where they are through context clues, i.e., "We just looted some of the gas station. Heading to the Spiffo's now." "Good work. Try to grab some food and get back to camp. We're eating fish tonight!" to figure out that they're probably in Riverside, currently near the gas station and Spiffo's, and are based out by the river). They'll have comments on their loot runs like, "it was terrible! There were so many of them. We lost Jason!" or "we had to pull out quick, so there's still lots of stuff there" or "we passed by it, and it looks like it'll contain lots of medical supplies," and "we found barely anything. It was a waste of time to come here" to get some info on various loot sites around the map.

Additionally, there could also be people on the radio saying something like, "Attention to anyone on this frequency. Don't go near the Rusty Rifle South of Muldraugh. It's been taken over by a violent gang!" Not over and over, but at least, once or twice. Maybe systemized to be when you're listening through the radio on unused channels.

[barren fractal]

“Hey hey it’s bloody zombie in the morning air horn sounds and you are listening to One eyes Brian splat noises!”

[verbal sorrel]

Even something like "Gas station 'zzzzz' overrun 'zzzzz', they got Bob 'zzzzz' He had all the food 'zzzzz'." Then when you get to the gas station you find a named zombie called Bob with a bag full of food and a hoard of zombies.

[ebon stag]

^^^

[pine zodiac]

They said there would be deer in groups with bucks and does with fawns, is that common in the UK? With whitetails in the Midwest US I don't see that very often, if at all. The does and young deer usually travel together and the bucks travel together, at least from mating season through childrearing

[barren fractal]

I see those dumb motherfuckers all the time when I drive

It’s like they want to be hit Group up to make sure

[pine zodiac]

Yeah, they definitely travel together, but it's usually bucks with bucks and does with does and fawns

At least around here

[arctic void]

Depends how you look at it, is it that silly to consider that ppl might wanna help each other? Is someone crazy for calling for help? What's unreasonable about hitting up your neighbours for info? I dont think i ever referred to it as a comical radio "show", more just putting out a message and seeing if anyone has info, but I agree that ambient randomness is overall better for the early game. Except, Im thinking about late game here when all loot is pretty much gone and you dont have the spec to craft something specific and really need to find it. You'll never find something specific by waiting for someone on the radio to talk about it to someone else. Could be the last generator on the map you need, which you will never find cause the map is so huge. Hell maybe you just wanna track down a spiffo costume. What you suggest sounds more like trying to find the survivors themselves in your examples, which requires the NPC update. Not to mention it would make annotated maps redundant as all your examples are from existing annotated maps. All the radio is for in SP is overhearing. Some actual interaction with it would be nice. State of Decay had a similar feature and it both worked well and made sense, despite their loot respawn being frequent anyway. Youd put out a specific request, wait a bit and you either get info or you dont. Pretty sensible to me 🤷 especially if it only comes about once the emergency broadcast goes down

[barren marsh]

awesome work devs! build 42 is gonna be amazing

[ebon stag]

SP?

[arctic void]

Single player.. to reiterate; not so much a radio show as a Survivor Frequency. You put out word and hope for a response.. thats it. Maybe the frequency changes every day/week/what have you.

Say youve looted all the pharmacies. There are still gonna be meds in other places, but at that point all you can do is search aimlessly hoping for random luck. Would be nice to have the opportunity to have an actual lead on something you specifically define. Would feel cool interacting with these elusive survivors that are technically in game but you never encounter.. even if it is only over radio. Limiting loot info requests to one every day or two makes it not too powerful as does the request potentially failing/being vague. You're still gonna spend time looting aimlessly which is important

Jesus.. throw in chat gpt or something and you've got dynamic responses and even someone to actually talk to and all. Im sure RPers would love something like that

[barren fractal]

Gross chatgpt

[nimble python]

surrrreeee

pretty positive the community has to hold your hand so you know what REALLY needs to be added. like sex

[nimble python]

they've talked about this a few times, they want to give players the option to start from nothing and build up, but if you find pre apocalypse loot in a town you'll be able to skip large swaths of the early crafting trees

[nimble python]

I think it would be better to have a DRASTIC reduction in far tile spot chance, so in effect it's the same thing, but if you stay in that spot for way too long they'll go "hey, wait a minute, you no zomber"

[nimble python]

it's seasonal, typically yes the does stick with the fawns but the bucks do stay with them for a good chunk of the year

[ebon stag]

i.e. longer than the average Zomboid playthrough before your 3rd death.

[mossy kayak]

I have an unhealthy amount of anticipation for v42 to drop. This is going to make living in the woods much, much, much more worth it. It got so good after 41, the foraging rework made it worth it so I've lived in the wild ever since. Cannot wait to hunt. Hoping meat preservation via salt or canning gets a rework too. Very excited.

[merry flint]

I havn't tried to live as a nomad in the forest yet, but with 42 I am really eager to try it.

I am not sure they've mentioned salt perservation, but they have directly mentioned meat drying racks, in a previous blog post

[whole rampart]

when is it coming out

[tardy island]

Believe it or not, in five minutes

[wicked halo]

but one more question two thursdoid ago we saw a candle light on the ground so will they add the possibility for candles and lanterns to stay on when placed?

[mossy kayak]

liar

[tardy island]

I was given false information by an informant

It's actually coming out tomorrow

[mossy kayak]

we shall see

[sly ermine]

It would be interesting if there were albino animals (very rare) to put as trophy in the shelters

like shiny pokemon but pz (?

[arctic void]

^

[rustic lotus]

Albino cattle

[nimble python]

We have no official release date and likely won't until very close to the actual release date. That being said, the community estimates usually put it around quarter 3-4 of this year or early next year. Anything is possible though

[wet zinc]

Constat introduction of new people to the team for sure gives some hope that we will get more/fater updates tho

[barren fractal]

But what happens when there’s too many cooks in the kitchen 🤔

I mean hey if they have the money I won’t argue

[nimble python]

I don't think PZ is going to have that problem anytime soon 😅

[deep jungle]

How long did b41 take?

[wooden mauve]

Is there any release date or eta on when the hunting update comes out? Game feels pointless to play otherwise.

I hate how the devs are so desperate to hold things just so modders can't get their hands on them. Even a bare bones version of animals would be huge for the game.

[green fjord]

So, having seen the stuff like the animals, pottery, etc. I had a thought. Imagine full-on using mods and such to allow for Medieval or even Roman-esq playthroughs of sorts. Blocking more modern unlocks, some texture/tile swaps here and there, etc.

[ebon stag]

No eta atm.

Personally, I expect it to come out on the experimental build in the late Summer of this year. Fall at the latest. If things get really, really bad, then Q1 of next year would be the latest expectation.

I expect full release much later, and there's definitely gonna be a lot of rebalancing on it to cover the new crafting system, not to mention multiplayer bugs.

[pine zodiac]

In software dev at least and probably in other areas too, adding people to a project makes it take more time, not less, due to having to get people up to speed on where the project's at

[pine zodiac]

My experience with PZ and modding has been the exact opposite. PZ has an integrated mod loader, a thriving modding community on the official discord, and many mappers and modders have been recognized for their work through the Thursdoids and welcomed into TIS. If anything I would complain about their seeming desire for game-altering changes rather than integrating bug fixes and a few new features with each release a la Minecraft, but the slowness of the updates does mean that modders can catch up to the current release

[merry flint]

Think they've explained a few times that it's quicker for them to work on the updates to all the systems internally, rather than trying to merge it with the live game (which includes beta branch) incrementally

So we could have more incremental updates, more frequently, but the side effect would be that all the stuff we've seen, combined, would take a lot longer to get into the game.

As an example (just pure example), all the stuff they are working on now, we get that in september. (Beta branch)

Where as if they did smaller updates of this, we'd get that piece meal, but all the content and changes from the update would first be fully implemented august next year (beta branch)

So we'd get more frequent updates, but it'd take significantly longer to get everything

That's how I've understood what they've explained

[nimble python]

this, great summarization

[nimble python]

nothing official, community estimates are typically ~Quarter 3-4 of this year into Q1 of next

[slender raft]

Do you think with the migration it would be possible that Zeds could as example only spawn in louisville but then float all other cells after time? like a defending scenario just in a bigger scale || Edit: Currently if zombies migrate they "spawn" randomly in cells which is super annoying IMO (or its just a sever desync not sure)

[barren fractal]

Defense scenario sounds interesting

[wicked halo]

to be honest i love all the new things i just scared about this story about how we will find the resources and the work stations with the migrations of zombies i m sure they will not waste the new mechanic of the animal migration only for wild animals/predators

also about zombie as threat is relative with the npc update will be also the raiders or adversary factions ,zombies once u gonna adapt will be just another predator around attracted by the gunfights or scavengers

[barren fractal]

There’s a small population like me who likes the idea of just having the zeds be the threat

Lone survivor style

[wicked halo]

i understand totally at least the game is project zomboid , the thing is if they are following an idea from romero, kirkman the zombies naturally will became not less effective but less "dangerous" cause first the adaptation of the players and second cause of migration now i hope like nasko said the migration work probably will bring zombies where the playesr are like they gonna gather and move toward a source of noise this can be the explanation

but they still will be everywhere to be honest understanding your point the system of waves don't sound very realistic

[barren fractal]

Well see there’s the kicker

At what point do you sacrifice gameplay for realism

Sure something is “realistic”, but is it going to make it a fun game

[wicked halo]

sure i see your point, absolutely, i just said with the npc will be new a menace , so kinda u gonna still be in trouble and i'm not rejecting the idea of a swarm who could attack your base , i like it, but have to be well implemented , like is no sense the thing of a group of 50 zeds prepare and attack and after 5 days another sound like organized's attacks

maybe the sadistic director can create a swarm and using the migration sytem to led the swarm to ur base cause they are attract by the lights or by the noise

about the fun still the same u will have to manage your enclave, so food, livestock, water, beds, npc factions,raiders ,hunting ,crafting, scavenging, zombies vehicles ,or horses as i really hope, the boredom, a lot of aspects after if u want to play a lone survivor u can even don't make an enclave going around killing zombies have your small cabin in the woods or a farm maybe they will implement vendors in the different npc enclaves so as lone one u can sell your stuffs

a lone survivor who lives trough scavenging and fight zombies in the towns and raiders and selling the stuffs he found sound interesting

realism doesn't have to be boring and pz already demostrate that why i will hate if they gonna put on like ore deposits or minecraft style works stations builds cause i want to scavenge to find metal or copper or anything to build my works stations

[barren fractal]

I can agree on that

I know that they always say that this new stuff is “optional” but they also call it “late game”

Doesn’t exactly sound “optional” to me

[wicked halo]

why not?

[barren fractal]

I guess I feel the whole scavenging part of the game is getting the back seat now

And yet I guess it IS the eventual next step in a zombie apocalypse

There I go yelling at clouds again

[wicked halo]

"I guess I feel the whole scavenging part of the game is getting the back seat now" this is also my fear i totally understnd that, i hope they 'll not make somenthing like valheim where u can find iron deposits and mining also cause in the area of meade county ,where pz is set, there are not iron deposits but just gravel and clay, but yes after 10 years of lootering is normal pass to the next step to rebuild civilization there will not be so many thinghs to scavenge but i'm pretty sure not so many people will arrive to 10 years games and plus like u have to manage a lot of aspects

to be honest i like your way to see the game

[nimble python]

the issue with doing like that is without evolving zombies or extremely difficult zombies, a small amount of skill and preparation makes even the largest hordes trivial

[nimble python]

scavenging will always be an integral part, you aren't going to craft an m16, plus finding certain items will drastically increase the speed by which you progress through the tech trees

[barren fractal]

Whose to say that npcs won’t be trivial either. Just shoot ‘em and they’ll bleed.

[barren fractal]

Idk maybe the devs will let people build guns in the wilderness 😏

Ammocrafting would be kinda sweet ngl, even if it’s crude or something

[nimble python]

Yes, because npcs totally can't shoot back

[barren fractal]

Depends on how well they are made

Also depend on how many actual survivors will be there

Cuz I bet in reality it will be very rare

I think I’ve whined enough for today

My only true hope for the crafting stuff is that crafting tables are universal or at least can be shared amongst professions

Or maybe you can add tools to it and upgrade it

Cuz otherwise there’s gonna be like 25 crafting tables and I don’t have enough room in my basement

[barren fractal]

Have they mentioned anything regarding that

[ebon stag]

Most likely anyone can use them. Just as much anyone can forage or fish or sew. How *well* you can do it is another story.

[barren fractal]

I mean more like

Having a table for each job is gonna be a lot of space

So to have just one type of workbench and then you add tools or addons to it would be helpful

[arctic void]

If you have have a problem with living off crafting instead of scavenging just keep loot respawn on.. ez. I dont think there is any need to fear that part of the game loop disappearing

[mossy kayak]

oppolla you typing an essay?

[versed lily]

Zombie media mostly deals with the immediate aftermath of a zombie apocalypse. And most people’s fantasy don’t go beyond that. The genre has a big gap in the middle that hasn’t really been explored in-depth. You have Walking Dead-style and Romero-esque scraping by, and now we have Last of Us new society world. Nothing (that I know of) has really explored the nitty gritty of building that new world, and that’s where B42 is treading. They’re filling in that missing gap in the genre.

B42 expands the game from post-apocalypse to pre-civilization and I think that’s really cool. End essay.

[barren fractal]

I expected a novel smh

See the issue I have with those is that eventually it just becomes focused on the human drama

But then a zombie appears

[umbral kite]

Until a new virus spreads

Ferefitus

[barren fractal]

Zombie 2

[umbral kite]

That would actually be rlly cool to see

[versed lily]

But even for the most Romero devout, is it even plausible for zombies to be the main threat indefinitely in that universe?

[umbral kite]

A second apocalypse and the civilization you built going to downfall

[versed lily]

The zombie apocalypse scenario reaches a logical end pretty quickly

And it becomes contrived to extend it

The later Romero films already abandon logic for thematic stories.

[barren fractal]

Except this is a video game

Not a movie

We don’t really have to follow this “end point”

[versed lily]

I don’t think the “because it’s video game” argument applies to PZ. Sure it literally is one, but the reason people like it is because it’s more realistic than any other video game.

[barren fractal]

I suppose all I’m advocating is a way to keep things interesting in end game beyond an npc raid

There’s mods to do these kinds of things sure, but mods break

[versed lily]

I agree that we’ll eventually need something more than gang turf war simulator, but that’s a worry for B52, not now 😆

[barren fractal]

I’ll be in a nursing home by the time b52 comes along

[merry flint]

See I quite like that. Like Valheim, you get a good reason to expand your base (or fill it out more) if you want more and more crafting options. Instead of just making a new structure because "why not", you make a new out door smithing area, and you make a little pottery shed etc

[barren fractal]

Except when there’s 25 professions

That’s too much space

In valheim you add on to your crafting table

THAT I wouldn’t mind

[merry flint]

You add physical items in the world near your crafting table, right?

Either or, it all depends - I like the idea that it takes up some room. I wouldn't like if you just had 1 single super crafting table.

In theory, that is - maybe in practice I'd agree

[barren fractal]

I mean I’m fine with a few tables

Just not 20

[merry flint]

Sure, to each their own of course! I like you can make specific areas for the various things, with up to multiple crafting areas per place. But we'll see how it all feels

[grizzled jacinth]

gonna rant a little about how i feel abt b42 and all the news we’ve gotten about it so far

i love the idea of animals, and having more stuff to do late game, it will give the game more life and stop the game from getting tedious and boring a few months in. i think its also a good idea to do a more “productive” lifestyle where you can craft your own weapons and stuff, since many years in you would have used most weapons, and later on in b43 when there is npcs there will be more less loot.

i am excited to see b42, however, i am not looking forward to a “rpg” like style. i do want this crafting update, but if it gets to the point of rpg style like needing to mine for iron and then smelt it and stuff i just dont want that , thats just me tho idk how indie stone is gonna approach this but good luck

[barren fractal]

Yeah I’m not exactly interested in this whole Minecraft idea they got going

Where you start with nothing

I don’t want to have to go dig and mine mineral veins

[mossy kayak]

but the classification of the game is RPG on google...

[mossy kayak]

as incredible as it may be, if you don't want to mine ores, just don't do it hahaha

[barren fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-gif-23024245

[mossy kayak]

hahahaha

[barren fractal]

What I’m saying is I’m not entirely excited of the direction

And who out there in the zombie apocalypse is going to go dig for minerals

[mossy kayak]

who cannot gain access to the city because of thousands of zombies or a group of hostile survivors

[barren fractal]

There’s plenty of towns and cars

[mossy kayak]

the idea is to be able to build a village from scratch, that will be a lot of fun... communities, the walking dead style

[barren fractal]

And that’s what I don’t care for

Woods and living out in the forest is one thing

[mossy kayak]

if you and a few others don't care enough to be excited about it, great! because I and other people want it, everyone has their own taste. Ah, for those who don't want to get involved with mining or city building, just don't do it, but the possibility of the game has to be given to everyone, it would be unfair not to add an amazing mechanic that is not essential and can be avoided, just because some are not interested

[barren fractal]

God forbid I share my thoughts

It’s also the fact that they want to make something that involves just starting out in the forest with nothing

[mossy kayak]

like this? you're sharing your thoughts and I'm sharing mine

[barren fractal]

What’s the point of the zombies

Might as well make a different game at that point

If I wanted to play Minecraft I’d go play Minecraft

But I suppose you’re right I’ll just shut up and turn it off in game or whatever

[mossy kayak]

why do you insist on wanting to dictate a rule? ''YOU CAN'T ENJOY MINING AND BUILDING''. Let us be happy bro, if you don't want to mine and build don't do it. Project Zomboid has always sought to give us FREEDOM

[barren fractal]

Like I said god forbid I think differently

But I’ll concede it’s a sandbox

But there are a number of folks who question the direction

[merry flint]

I can understsnd your point of view as well Jarinex, you want it to stick to its "you're an average joe trying to survive in the apocalypse" setting, suddenly going out to mine iron ore and melt it down, does not quite fit that ideal

But it's a system you don't have to engage with. So it's s system they spend a lot of time on, but you don't really care for. That does suck a bit of course, but you can ignore it/turn it off yeah.

But They will also add more crafting stuff in general that fits more neatly into the urban survival setting that we play right now

That is what I'd take away from this, if I was you.
Ontop of that, the new crafting overhaul opens up a whole host of new modding capabilities, which you down the line might adore, a crafting mod that fits more specifically into the urban gameplay@barren fractal

[prime holly]

Mining ore in this part of kentucky is a joke and even the entire mechanic of mining ore in a game like pz is a joke too this is just obviuos sorry for your opinion but yltje wntire mechanich of mining in a game like pz is ridiculous the devs ask everywhere about the wildlife of kentucky to be more realistic as possible and after what i gonna find magically a iron vein in the middle.of the fields really? If i want to play minecraft with zombie i gonna play minecraft if people got near PZ is because is the most realistic survival game after the long dark so put a minong mechanic is just a waste of time resource

[mossy kayak]

in YOUR opinion

[prime holly]

Sure is mine i reapect your but the objective is if they add mining a big part of zomboid is gone

[mossy kayak]

I don't know how old you are but in the real, adult world, we don't have to have the same opinions, and zomboid is a sandbox game, so it's going well.

[prime holly]

Probably older than u so....i already said i reapect your opinion...and zomboid is a survival sandbox not a normal sandbox

[barren fractal]

I don’t think there are that many ore veins sticking out in the wilderness of Kentucky

[mossy kayak]

we could melt down cutlery

or metal pipes I don't know

[barren fractal]

Right but we are referring to the folks who start in a map with nothing

[mossy kayak]

oh

well then

[barren fractal]

How does one get the metal then

[prime holly]

There are but not where the game is set and second ore veins are mostly underground

[fleet drift]

and there isn't any zombies populate it, so....
It's a game, some things don't have to mirror the reality 100%

[mossy kayak]

uhhh

[barren fractal]

That is true

[mossy kayak]

isn't this game's thing realism though

would be happier to play looking at a giant boulder than you and thinking ''hehehe we didn't mine it, win!!''

[barren fractal]

But that gets back to my point of the direction

I mean we can mine a boulder but there won’t be any ore in it

[mossy kayak]

doubtful

[prime holly]

Which boulder where in meade county?

[barren fractal]

Okay now

[mossy kayak]

meade county iron hmm

[barren fractal]

IF they add like

A mine that’s already made

[mossy kayak]

true true

[merry flint]

Like a mining cave?

[barren fractal]

Yeah something like that

I think I could live with that

[merry flint]

That could make sensr

[mossy kayak]

brassfield iron beds 1919

[prime holly]

Metal in a contest like this voming from smelting metal from car wreck not mining

[merry flint]

You can melt scrap metal too

[prime holly]

Smeltin all the iron or metal u found

[barren fractal]

Like I said finding metal is easy in cities

[merry flint]

They've said

[barren fractal]

It’s the “living off the land”

[mossy kayak]

hmmm

we could melt trees

[barren fractal]

Which a natural cave with a mine

[prime holly]

Is not ineade county

[barren fractal]

Yeah that would work

[prime holly]

If there is an old understanding mine is ok is cool

[mossy kayak]

oh yeah

[merry flint]

Maybe it's because I view zomboid as more of a sandbox "play your way" rather than "very realistic zombie survival"

[barren fractal]

I mean it IS a zombie game

Otherwise it’s just project oid

[mossy kayak]

alright guys I figured it out

[merry flint]

I get your point haha, but you can also enable the ability for multihit, where you can push back 6 zombies infront of you at once

That'd not very reslistic

[prime holly]

I respect that so i hope they will add a sand box options to make disappear the veins if they add them or maybe somebody will make a mod

[fleet drift]

Anyway the way i view the things is that, if you want to even start experience the full potential of the new crafting system, you will either have to start on sandbox on customs settings or wait hundreds of hours on a savefile in order to deplete the resources that spawned in first.
And that even depending on your playstyle.

[barren fractal]

Mmm true

[merry flint]

I am quite certain if you dislike this direction, you can entirely turm it off

And tweak it to your liking

[barren fractal]

But the problem is they’ll continue in the direction while some prefer a different direction

[mossy kayak]

exact, on this I agree, everything needs to be possible to activate or deactivate

[barren fractal]

But I suppose that is a Sandbox

[merry flint]

Hrmm in what sense? Why couldn't they make a big update to urban survival at some point?

[prime holly]

If the game gonna take that turn i gonna abandon the game ir play a older build

[mossy kayak]

what would they add

[fleet drift]

You can't please everyone, and some games that took player advices didn't go that well. (and the reverse apply too)
You gain some, you lose some.

[barren fractal]

That’s why we don’t have [REDACTED]

Not listening to the players

[merry flint]

Could add factories that work. I mean 1 example that is realistic,, you break into the gunstore and use their ammo production facilities

[barren fractal]

See I want to be able to craft ammo

[merry flint]

Plenty of small manual ammo production machines too, that people can operate at homr

[barren fractal]

Instead of going to a factory

[merry flint]

Something an aversge joe could learn

[prime holly]

My way to play is very realistic becauae i played minecraft and similar i abbandoned after 10 hours cause after became to easy dor me

[prime holly]

I am absolutely respectful of others ideas but as same also mine is important so if they gonna add a sandbox tick who said no veins i will said nothing anymore

[barren fractal]

Perhaps they could do something, but I don’t know what exactly

My other concern would be the zombies themselves and how to keep you on your toes with them

[merry flint]

What about "special" infected then? Just for example boomer from l4d, or rare zombies that can climb walls. Would that go in a direction you dislike? Say they added that ontop of new mechanics for normal zombies, too

[mossy kayak]

you know you can activate the runner zombies right?

[prime holly]

That true but here u gonna lose a big part all my server we are a good 150 and we don't like how is gonna turn plus there is a big post on reddit about those concerns

And the hownlong is taking to develop is not in their faovur

[merry flint]

I guess all we can say is, ignore that system then, and turn it off

[mossy kayak]

is there anyone who wouldn't want some zombies to spit acid? I don't know this person haha

[fleet drift]

I don't see why they wouldn't since all the main components can be tweaked already. Even then, those mechanics will be a blessings for modders too. We already got some maps that are void of buildings.

[merry flint]

Was just an example yeah. But like this long term crafting system, it's something some will like, others wont. So you csn turn it off

[mossy kayak]

yeah

[prime holly]

Is not very valuable to lose people for them

[fleet drift]

Please, if you know how to play the game, the zombies are no threats unless +4x pop and/or sprinters.

[merry flint]

I can turn it around on you then - I adore the new system, I really like this direction. If they cancelled it suddenly, a lot of other people would also leave then

[fleet drift]

and it's not valuable to not gain people who can be interested in that

[prime holly]

Ok but not everything should be made by modders this game survive thanks to the modders to be honest

[merry flint]

Why not add sometging you can turn off, than not add it at all?

[fleet drift]

as i said, you gain some, you lose some

[prime holly]

If u read in reddit u gonna see how many

[mossy kayak]

exactly

[prime holly]

Surw that what i hope

I'm not saying to not to implement just put a sandbox options to disable or enable

[fleet drift]

since when a corner of social media is a reliable metric ?

[merry flint]

They have already said in multiple blogposts that the new crafting system can be ignored and turned off. So i wouldnt have thst worry

Just like so many aspects of the game already can

[fleet drift]

That would be the worst things to either listen to twitter/reddit

[prime holly]

No they said u can avoid not tirn on/ off

[merry flint]

Some people like playing the game from the early days of the outbreak. Lots of loot, fewer zombies. Some like playing 10 years later, little loot lots of zombied

The game is to do as you please

[prime holly]

For me is not reliable but there are a lot of examples about boycott a game via social media and pz can not afford that is not ao famous

[prime holly]

Sure i personally did both inalso tried the mod about mining ore and yes is losing is essence of scavenging

[merry flint]

I think you're missing the point that plenty other people do want this system, gimbo

[fleet drift]

yeah, ask Hoggwarts how the boycott did for them ; or cyberpunk. They sold... a lot.
Boycotts, even more when they have social media in origins, tend to not go well.

[prime holly]

I know it's ok for me they can have also the can kill zeds with farts I don't care but like there are people who want there are people who doesn't so their opinion is important too or not?

[merry flint]

You are correct

[mossy kayak]

it's hard for him to see an ore in nature and ignore it, he has nightmares at night with ores (if he doesn't have the possibility to deactivate it before starting the game)

[merry flint]

That's why you can turn things on and off

[prime holly]

As i said pz can not afford what big companies can afford in terms of loose

[merry flint]

I can see gimbo's worry

[ember fjord]

That's an irrelevant discussion since we're talking about boycotting the game over a crafting update here

[merry flint]

But i think they have said you can tweak the system to your liking

[prime holly]

Ok now i understand u are younger than me

[mossy kayak]

hi master, only one person is talking about it,

[prime holly]

Mine was only an example i will never do i play pz from the first day so i liked every single thing of the game I'm just say my opinion if I can't i will not do anymore

[merry flint]

Everyone's opinion is valid, you worry you can't turn it off - I am fairly sure you can

But your worry is valid as a worry

[ember fjord]

Turn what off exactly?

[prime holly]

Thanks to understand after all I don't care i can play without see the ores mine was just an opinion

[barren fractal]

That’s my point

[merry flint]

Think it's in regards to ore veins in the world and such

[barren fractal]

Well we don’t know if mining is in but I assume something Like it would be

[merry flint]

I think that was his worry at least

[barren fractal]

And I’m not saying to boycott I’m just discussing lol

[merry flint]

Yeah we all just voicing our opinions, no worries

[mossy kayak]

gimbo91 who liked about it

[barren fractal]

And yes I’m aware of sprinters But I’m talking more base defense

[mossy kayak]

it would be wonderful if nasko could confirm whether it will be possible to turn fonts on or off

[merry flint]

I love the idea of the new crafting system, others arent as interested. Everything is fair

[barren fractal]

Oh I like some ideas of the crafting system

I’m just curious how certain parts will turn out

[mossy kayak]

however I still argue that if you can't turn it off, it's very easy and simple to ignore it

[prime holly]

Mostly my fault cause I'm abit scared of what turn PZ will take about the b42 like i said i'm worried about find things will make thebgame for me not realistic everything i said is just a speculation maybe nothing will happen was just an opinions exchange

[fleet drift]

The thing is that the zombies are based on the Romero ones. Slow, but dangerous in numbers, so excepts hordes, there is not many options.
The future human NPC would be able to bring new dangers, but afaik for the zombies, they can be like a lot of zombie media. Dangerous at first, and an "afterthough" later if you aren't careful enough

[prime holly]

Will be amazing but I can't so🥹

At least i gonna stop have the nightmares about ores

[barren fractal]

See that’s the thing

What if you don’t want the npcs to be the only real danger

[mossy kayak]

hahahaha

[barren fractal]

Inb4 sprinters

That’s why I’m a proponent of the zombie attacking bases

Like how I assume raiders would

And it sound like with this migration that might happen

[fleet drift]

you are stuck with the current system, unless sprinters in sandbox as you said.
I would hate specials, because you aren't tanky or fully immune, (that ain't l4d), and unless extensive balancing, would be totally broken.

[umbral kite]

Zombies could still be a big threat

If they make it like walking dead it’s 3000 zombies to one human so they will always be there probably

[fleet drift]

you crank up the pop and that your idea. Then again, you gotta balance it too in order to make it challengeable but fun (and not burn your PC in the process)

[prime holly]

Why not specials u can avoid them? Or maybe ask to make a sandbox otion to turn it off no? ( I was a bit tease u i also hate special zombies)

[barren fractal]

Mmmm yeah not too interested in specials

[prime holly]

About the pop of the npc maybe will be like Nolan superb survivors maybe they will spawn so not kids devoured or kid zombies

[barren fractal]

Right but there’s always updates which is what I’m alluding to 😆

[prime holly]

Maybe a kind of going medieval way

[barren fractal]

See I’m not really interested in going back to medieval either lol

Although I suppose it’s where it’ll end up “being”

[prime holly]

My comment was about npc population spawn if maube they will use the same system of the game Going Medieval

And for a point I don't think after a zombie apocalypse we will back to middle ages

But is a sandbox so if someone want to do will be maybe similar to the movie army of the darkness😂😂

[mossy kayak]

I vote for zombie children, indie stone seems to be afraid of this, but there are so many other games even with zombie babies

or they just don't think it's cool, but I think it would be sad to kill a zombie like that, in the style of the first episode of the walking dead

[barren fractal]

Ehhhhh that brings its own set of problems

[grizzled jacinth]

oh shit what argument did i start

[barren fractal]

A good one

[mossy kayak]

zombie babies😋

[wicked halo]

another bomb here!!! the livestock and wild animals would have the possibility to get killed also from zombies?

[mossy kayak]

another bomb???????

call the defusal squad

[verbal sorrel]

They could test the waters by implementing a tile that looks like the remains of a child (with a toy or Teddy next to it).

[ebon stag]

Zombies don't eat animals. Only humans.

But they'll probably defend themselves if zombies get too close.

[dark meadow]

I think its complicated

[severe remnant]

It's not complicated, we just don't want to do it because we don't want to.

[ebon stag]

Regarding the discussion about mining, AFAIK, TIS has said that they don't want it to become as ridiculous as having to mine ore, but they *do* still want a system that will let players use the entire crafting tree in a wilderness only map with no zombies. How they want to do this, we currently have no idea, and possibly they don't either at this point. But if you're on a map that has cities, you can definitely maintain your urban survival experience.

[barren fractal]

Find metal bars on the map

In the grass

[mossy kayak]

casual metal bar

[wicked halo]

thanks i was think they will be eaten by zeds like twd but it's ok

[wicked halo]

if they are think to make like a challenge map with the wilderness will be amazing...a way to collect iron avoiding the mining, are the iron bogs, this is a more natural way also cause they are trying to reproduce plants an fauna of kentucky so it gives to me the idea they want to stick with realistic way to show kentucky and the area of meade and jefferson county don't have any kind of iron mineral so...

[mossy kayak]

bog iron could be interesting

[barren fractal]

The children Yearn for the bogs

[ebon stag]

Iron bogs?!

[nimble python]

to be clear, they don't want you to do this, they want you to have the option to start from nothing

[wicked halo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_iron those

[arctic void]

I dont feel the need for mining. It doesnt even make sense because out in the open its fossicking not mining. Nodes of Iron dont just spring from the ground yelling "mine me". Keep metal as scavenging i say. I dont wanna be able to compare PZ to runescape. Smelting it down into a versatile resource is fine as long as its gathered from scrap. Just add a few scrap yards around the map

[wicked halo]

🙏 thanks god somebody who understand my point

[arctic void]

Like, if they were gonna release a map set in medieval times with it's own thing going on, thatd be different. As long as i have the option to keep it out of Kentucky im happy

[ebon stag]

Maybe...if we can pan for minerals from rivers!

[wicked halo]

🙏

[arctic void]

As someone whos done an amount of fossicking alongside someone highly experienced, i can assure you that wont get you much on its own. Its a good way to find large deposits though. On a wilderness map, it would be great to have to apply actual fossicking techniques rather than just stumbling upon mounds of iron

[barren fractal]

The abandoned mine idea might work for those kinds of maps

[green fjord]

At the same time though, would be neat if something like quarry building could be done, even if just on “wilderness” maps.

[mossy kayak]

prospecting would be fun I could get 1 tiny little grain of iron per day

[wispy vortex]

A lot of this crafting update reminds me of Haven&Hearth. It was hardcore survival sandbox with very deep crafting mechanics. Stuff where you had to wait 8 hours for leather (inside tub of water with tree bark) to harden into hardened leather

[arctic void]

Yeah that works

Mm isnt farming pretty much the only process that takes a substantial amount of time currently?

I guess trapping too

Pretty much any crafting only takes seconds

[barren fractal]

Depends on what they’ll add next

[ebon stag]

I've heard a part of Valheim's crafting system is really good, where workbenches and forges have upgrade structures that aesthetically complement the crafting table, but have objective bonuses to putting them close together. Thus, in lategame, you have entire dedicated crafting rooms/corners for that table, but it isn't more complex than it was from the start, where you just approach the table and craft stuff.

[arctic void]

Thats rad. Being able to store a limited amount of materials in crafting stations for ease of access would be hella nice too

[barren fractal]

Yeah that would be nice

[ebon stag]

Although it seems that each crafting-related building will be fully functional in build 42, not decorative or passively beneficial.

[ebon stag]

You could just put storage objects next to a crafting table even a side table will probably work.

[arctic void]

Yeah having workbenches draw from nearby storage is a must in any survival crafter. Still, itd be nice if the carpentry workbench, for example, had room for small stuff like nails. Such a workbench would usually have some little drawers or smthn

[ebon stag]

Doesn't the game already let you pull from nearby storage boxes when crafting?

Although, the crafting UI is being overhauled, so that might be changed 🤔

[arctic void]

I think it does, but it doesn't always seem to work. Though that could be due to my mods

[silent stream]

I hope you or a modder adds a Clay Helmet

Now that we will be able to make Bricks, it's a great time to add throwable objects

[arctic void]

Throwables will be a game changer. Channel your inner Joel. This should probably done at the same time as zombie behaviour reworks though. The overall detection systems will need to be just right

[pine zodiac]

They basically already have zombie kids with adult models, they've got zombie students in elementary and high schools and some zombies who have no piercings and have dolls on them. I don't think it would be difficult to mod, you'd need a few different models with animations and substitute them for students and some zombies that already spawn. Heck, the crawling logic already exists if you wanted to make zombie babies.

[abstract summit]

Tbfh I understand not wanting to put in zombie kids lowkey. Tho at the same time I'd like the realism just cuz im gruesome like that ig lol

[barren fractal]

It’s not happening

[urban isle]

Just wait till modders mod in groups of bandit NPCs following migration paths through the towns and cities.

[green fjord]

I mean, i’d love new classifications of zombies. Like fatter ones who could be assigned lower movement speeds or other traits, while also gaining additional health due to their bulk.

[barren fractal]

Would be cool

[arctic void]

Fatties should deal considerably more damage to doors/barricades/furniture too. They should also be a bit taller so that they stand out even in a tight crowd

"Bring him down Legolas!!"

[arctic void]

I really hope shooting down from a raised position gets more doable. For starters we need to be able to see behind buildings more reliably. A lot of the time the rear of a building will stay occluded until your character is close enough, despite it all being within their FOV

[nimble python]

They've talked about this briefly a few times. They're supposedly working on an improved cutaway system, so maybe we'll see improvements when 42 drops

[ebon stag]

I don't recall any mentions of improvements on this front recently.

[nimble python]

most likely because there's not much to speak of

[arctic void]

Thats good, i sure hope so. Even if just positioning the aim cursor into an occluded area revealed what's there, thatd do nicely i think. Provided it's in your dudes FOV ofc

[clever aspen]

imagining the +/- 32 floors above and below, there will be subway systems, mines, sewers etc. while wandering in those underground ''ideas'', survivors can come across ore veins in an unfinished subway tunnel or while digging between houses like mexican cartels.

of course there should be an option on sandbox settings to turn it on/off. but in case of fierarms; i never choose to play with firearms on 1.2k hours pf pz. i guess ''mining'' concept will be like firearms imho

as for realism keep in mind the whole map is flat

[mossy kayak]

i NEED HUNTING IN MY LIFE... THESE WOODS ARE SO QUIET AND DEAD...

caps, sorry

[mossy kayak]

the caps make it better

[green fjord]

Imagine, if you would, vehicles working on different elevations. A bit of mixing the rv interior mod with a traincar “car” and you got part of a subway system already started. Give it a powerful towing ability to “tow” other subway cars behind it and you got a subway with interiors. Alternatively, a handcar or powered handcar (with generator installed) to go along subway tracks. Hell, if someone made stairs that didn’t have barriers between them and allowed for vehicles to go up them, we could start seeing solid multi-elevation areas.

[wooden mauve]

Well what I mean is they specifically said that they do not want to release NPCs too early because they knew modders would basically update the game faster than they could

It's one of their Thursdoids I think.

[arctic void]

Hunting will make guns a lot more relevant. Melee is only the best option for zeds because they come to you. Game on the other hand will flee. Mining seems like something that wont be necessary for most players.. only those who choose wilderness maps

[arctic void]

Being able to climb onto and walk around on top of vehicles will be an excellent addition. It seems weird to me that we are still without realistic features like this that open up life saving opportunities. The B41 crafting system is already more robust and hyper realistic than our characters combat/movement capabilities are. B42 is only going to widen that polish gap. That said, itll be good to have the crafting system sorted so that the balancing of additions like this can be comfortably built on top of it.