Crafting RamblZ

[shrewd coral]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/04/crafting-ramblz/

[vast maple]

✝️

[halcyon dome]

I'm wondering if the book reading will be revisited. It's mostly annoying at this time

[terse rune]

I hope that NPC will play a role on that

So without books, you can get taught by an NPC (or even another player) with the skill requires

[halcyon dome]

With the amount of items avaiable (and planned), IMHO there should be much more magazines sharing tips on making certain items that raise the % of successfully making this particular item of high quality, as an alternative to grinding through a book every two levels

[terse rune]

I rather avoid the whole magazine gate

[uncut crypt]

seems mostly positive; PZ wants to expand its horizon beyond the aspect of 'just surviving', looks like they're after a 'survive and thrive' atmosphere by introducing a whole variety of things related to crafting. very cool, that last sentence gives me hope that it will still be a zombie game for the most part

[halcyon dome]

OTOH having NPC take over some tasks (f.e. farming, or hauling wood, cooking etc) gives you way more time to actually grind through the books

[atomic tartan]

I hope they keep the zombie proof walls, youll need them for when hostile npcs start trying to take you out.

[split brook]

See idk about zombie proof because then you take away a major part of the game

Also I’m not excited for the idea of locking recipes behind professional and traits. While realistic, I already hate the idea of certain things being locked.

[terse rune]

Eh, if NPC can damage your zombies proof walls it gets interesting

[split brook]

That is true

Also I do recall from Reddit that there will be options to learn everything, and of course we have mods

I think it should be higher health walls, not unbreakable walls

[terse rune]

Then we need ability to top up/repair walls

[compact lagoon]

I think more importantly zombies will need to not randomly migrate to areas that are blocked off from respawn

the problem with walls right now is that idle zombies will just destroy them if they randomly path through them

[split brook]

Oh for sure

Well see the problem is if there’s no threat then what’s the point? The game basically just becomes Rimworld

Or sims

As they said at the end, it’s a zombie game lol

Like you said there are npcs eventually, but that will be a looooooooooooooooooong ways off

[sly pine]

I just hope they will not kill the need of looting if i can craft everything from scratch without anymore going for loot so the game will became cery tedious i hope they will not destroy the core the zombies!

[ember delta]

one tile thick stone walls that you can walk on top of;
thoughts?

[queen stump]

where u gonna gather that stone?

[sly pine]

To be honest I'm scared they gonna ruin pz

Not intentionally but like they say they are in a unknown path e looks like they are lost

[shrewd coral]

[ember delta]

they listen to the community a lot, like how they acknowledged how they don't want the "craft 1000 things to level up a skill" for the crafting system rework

[atomic tartan]

They always said they wanted this vision of a lategame https://www.theindiestone.com/community/viewtopic.php%3Ff=20&t=10152.html So its more like finally making that into something real and playable.

[sly pine]

Ok but for that is simple when npc will be implemented u gonna have skilled npc who gonna help u and what i learned abou electronics i learned from book and dissasembling things and reassemble them but that is my opinion i ever thinked a post apocalyptic zombie world as a sort of come back to the frontier age not after even with a zombie apocalypse we still have a lot of Technology

[atomic tartan]

I dont think you realize how much knowledge can be lost if 90%+ of the population suddenly dies and electricty is out forever.

[severe charm]

i mean libraries will still exist

[sly pine]

Maybe u can apply this to today where the 90% of the population look on internet also to cook an egg but at the start of the 90s people where far more practical example my grandfather built his own knowledge of farmig via magazines and books

[severe charm]

its not like a huge chunk of knowledge will vanish

[severe charm]

it really wouldnt be that hard to archive like the entirety of wikipedia or smth along the lines

so even then knowledge if anything is more likely to be retained

[sly pine]

I build my skill on build pc's reading books and magazines internet today only speed up the things

[frosty wren]

whats the worry?

[severe charm]

people do not want to be gregified

[fast mesa]

God, I'm excited for what's to come

[sly pine]

There was post of the french developer, sorry i forgot the name, i was taking inspiration from a book called the knowledge but look like things are gone to far

[severe charm]

tbh them adding this

doesnt detract from the game right now

[fast mesa]

It adds a lot to it

And sets up NPCs rly well, imo

[severe charm]

yeah its not like looting will suddenly vanish with this

[split brook]

It sets them up, but npcs are years away

So what happens in the meantime

[fast mesa]

I got time 😎

I mean, I already waited for multiplayer and man, was it worth it

[sly pine]

Is not be gregfied is about the realism of the game; s only i worried the game will became like minecraft

[severe charm]

they did say they are going to avoid going balls to the wall sandboxy

[fast mesa]

Yeah they addressed that in the blogpost, I'm sure they'll try to avoid it

[split brook]

That being said they did address this a bit

https://reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/sveybv/to_answer_a_few_concerns_people_have_had_about/

I still think the concerns are valid as I love the game as it currently stands

[sly pine]

I know i know but i just hope it cause few thursdoid seems guide to there

[split brook]

Guide to where

[sly pine]

I love this game I'm with my character into the 4th year now so...

[sly pine]

To somenthing not in the line with the soul of the game and survival

[split brook]

I mean the next step in survival would be to become self sustaining, no?

[severe charm]

yeah like as it stands rn there basically isnt an endgame

[sly pine]

What can be an endgame in a game like pz?

[severe charm]

^^^^

[fading sigil]

Big npc city that’s self sustaining

[sly pine]

Yes but not like collecting ore in the middle of ky

[sly pine]

Yes but still with the need of scavenge resources i that way the element of the zombies will not die

[fading sigil]

True

[severe charm]

i mean louisville has tons and tons and tons of unattended copper wire

[split brook]

I can’t argue with the idea of not wanting to mine ore lol

[severe charm]

yeah that one would be a bit wacky, fun for modded tho

[split brook]

This isn’t Minecraft after all, which it seems that’s what they like to play

[severe charm]

i mean there wont be a need to mine when every city has tons of metal waiting to be stolen

[split brook]

They being the devs

[sly pine]

Yeah what i mean is this I don't want a game where i have to mining ore from a rock i want go to lv kill zeds to scavenge that copper

[fast mesa]

Also, survival looks different for each person. Like they said, you can keep looting if you want. But others players might be more attracted to the idea of an npc town

[split brook]

True, it seems they have this intended idea to be able to do everything from scratch.

[severe charm]

they adressed this in the reddit post, logically the scavenging will be from towns

[atomic tartan]

Yeah, but do you really think survivors are going to be wasting time with that when they need to make sure they dont die from starvation and the daily struggle of living in stone age tech 10-100+ years later? Its not like me or you can retain the current knowledge to rebuild technology to what it was 100-200 years ago especially when people are killing each other and trying to raise literate children.

[fast mesa]

As it stands, the game is already experiencing tons of different ways to play it. They want to keep that, just... Adding more

[sly pine]

Yes but I can't really feel realism in find a metal ore rock on theiddle of kentucky

[split brook]

Well the problem with that is they have said they want a mode where you just build a new place with nothing but forest

[severe charm]

like there might be other ways to get metal and such but the bulk will be from where it is the most, the towns

[midnight ocean]

i can't wait to download a mod so i can build a nuclear reactor

[fast mesa]

Pz has always gone for"if u want to, u can"

[severe charm]

immediately no, but over a long period of time they are bound to start on that

[severe charm]

im gonna build a stargate the minute b42 drops

[fast mesa]

Me omw to turn off zombies, download nuclear reactor mods and play "Project Sims" instead: 😎

[split brook]

They seem to want to put focus on this idea of making a town from scratch when in reality I feel that’s unnecessary

[fading sigil]

Just colonize mars smh

[fast mesa]

Many ppl already play without zombies tbh

[midnight ocean]

you're not invited to my hyper futuristic city i build in the woods

[fast mesa]

Taps sign

[sly pine]

This is irrealistic to be honest we can fight maybe for ten years for food and after a while we will understand how cultivate I don't think we will finish in a new prehistory age

[split brook]

This is what I mean

“For one – a skill book may not exist if you’re generations after the apocalypse, or if you’re playing on a blank wilderness map instead (something we’d really like to be a possibility, and our test case to make sure our crafting overhaul is comprehensive will be making sure the player literally cannot rely on looted items).”

The main point of the game I feel IS relying on loot

[severe charm]

i mean its a complete focus and more of a way to fill the void afterwards

[fast mesa]

I mean, that's also because rn it's all there is

[severe charm]

like im gonna be real here what do 99% of endgame players do anyway

they build mansions and stuff

[split brook]

True

[sly pine]

That not new to the game

[fast mesa]

You farm 1000 cabbages

[severe charm]

or that

[fast mesa]

Also like I said, many ppl already play the sims on this game

Or with respawn turned off

[sly pine]

I think the good of this game is there will be a different end game for each player

[fast mesa]

It's adding to the endgame as well as providing more stuff to do to several playmodes

[severe charm]

which is what this is going to add

its not like they are removing anything

[fast mesa]

Yeah literally PZ is "if you want to play like x, you do you"

[sly pine]

I know i just hope they will not go too far with the realism of the actual build

[fast mesa]

There's always sandbox options

[split brook]

What I’m saying is that shouldn’t be the focus

And yes there’s always sandbox options

[fast mesa]

Yeah but it's not, it's more of a "it'd be a cool thing if we pulled this off IN PARALLEL with the rest"

[sly pine]

Like my biggest concern is regarding how we will build the workstations i hope will not be assemble 2 rocks and two planks and bum u have a workstation

[split brook]

Like I said I think the concerns brought up here are valid

And yes they have been addressed in that Reddit post

But it never hurts to bring it back up for discussion

[sly pine]

Sorry I'm not on reddit so i didn't know about

[split brook]

Lol fair

https://reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/sveybv/to_answer_a_few_concerns_people_have_had_about/ just referring to this

I mean in all honesty I am excited about certain things

Like bows and making your own cheese and stuff with farm animals

Maybe there is potential for ammo crafting

[terse rune]

Maybe ammo recycling, but ammo craft is unlikely on mass scale

[sly pine]

Thise things are amazing i am a huge fan of survivalism and i loved the comic of TWD and read all the nivels of max brooks this is what i expect from pz the concept coming from that novels

[split brook]

Well guns need to still be useful

[fast mesa]

Tbh I'm most excited for cooking

Like yes, I want to make milk and cheese

[sly pine]

If u found molds and the right equipment u can make bullets

[terse rune]

Smokeless gunpowder isn't easy to make without industrial support

[fast mesa]

Most food goes bad p soon and always eating cabbages is a bit 😭

[sly pine]

I want make milk and cheese i want make sausages but i want to fight against the zeds and hostile survivors to arrive to this

[terse rune]

Can make blackpowder tho, so maybe blunderbuss and muskets are going to make a comeback

[split brook]

I think we can bend realism a bit

[fast mesa]

I mean same but when playing MP I'm the cook of the party

[split brook]

I think guns need to still be viable

Otherwise what’s the point of skilling them up

[fast mesa]

My friends take care of zombies 💅

[sly pine]

How in age of the frontier they was making it? We are not talking make a nation supply of gunpowder and different we have knowledge that before they didn't have

[terse rune]

Aiming/reloading can be shared skill with other ranged weapons maybe

[fast mesa]

Like, multitasking is a thing

[split brook]

That’s not my point

I don’t want to use guns just to end up using a bow or an inferior gun

These are things for the devs to figure out I guess

[sly pine]

For sure

[fast mesa]

I forgot about RP servers, this update probably means a lot for those

[atomic tartan]

Itll probably be like the mechanic skill, irrelevant if you start way after the apocalypse but still useful during the start.

[sly pine]

Why? If i gonna have a npc in the settlement with mechanich skill he can mentoring me and mechanic is not only related to cars but also to other things

[severe charm]

me bulking with 900000 cans of corned beef i have

[atomic tartan]

I mean car related

[fast mesa]

Just like me fr

Oh yeah that also means skills turned "useless" in late game can be you know, repurposed

Like mechanic

[terse rune]

I think lots of current skills will be reworked

[fast mesa]

So excited

[terse rune]

Like mechanics and electrical skills are not very useful in a world where both are not a thing anymore

[sly pine]

I'm super excited too but also a bit worry

[fast mesa]

PZ is already that game but the upcoming updates will truly make it transcend

[atomic tartan]

I dont expect most of the skill to be the same anyways, theyre all probably going to be revamped to allow expansion within them as time goes on.

[split brook]

Cuz they also want to make cars and generators deteo

Deteriorate

[sly pine]

Yeah possibly they will adapt to the new dead world

[split brook]

I know it’s “realism” but it takes a way an aspect of the game

[sly pine]

Mechanical was a skill developed before cars

[split brook]

I don’t like that

[terse rune]

Would call it engineering or something

[severe charm]

itll probably be a sandbox setting so it can be disabled

[terse rune]

I mean you can just set the weapon and car to not deteriorate

[split brook]

Yeah true but none the less

[sly pine]

Probably i hope so

[sly pine]

But generators and cars will deteriorate is normal like the gas should expire after a year

[terse rune]

I think that it is going to be a sorta madmax age for a while till everyone used up easily accessible resources of the old world and have to deal with a neo medieval world

[fast mesa]

Yeah that's totally fair and also a bit funny bc some ppl will probably like it because that way it adds to survival, that's also why I like sandbox settings

[sly pine]

Like u said i would like cars to become useless but scrapped for metal and have horses!!

[terse rune]

I like to see more makeshift stuff too

[sly pine]

I think will be a mix between medieval and frontier

[fast mesa]

Yeah "survival", "endgame" and tbh even "zombie apocalypse simulator" means and looks quite differently for each person, PZ is one of the few games that like, actually caters to so vastly different tastes

[terse rune]

Yeah, neo medieval, so knowledge is still around but less access to tech

[fast mesa]

They'll add even more of that to the repertoire, so 😎

Y'all are invited to my sims server /s

[split brook]

I’m fully aware of that, it still takes away an aspect of the game

There’s a fine balance between realism and good gameplay that’ll have to be considered

[sly pine]

🤟

[terse rune]

I mean we will see, I think it will be a sort of reverse tech tree, as in you move from advanced tech to more sustainable but less advanced tech

No easy access to propane and gasoline

[sly pine]

I respect your point i hope they will add in sandbox! I hope they add because i would like to have horses and use them with carriages

[terse rune]

But maybe wind mill and watermill for electricity

Wood gas for burning

[sly pine]

For me it should be like that

And this will maoe cars and generators only to be acrapped for melting metal

[split brook]

I mean one could learn to make their own biofuel

Mad max did it (yes I did do research on that cuz I was curious how fuel would still be in zomboid after a year 😝)

Although they didn’t have zombies

[sly pine]

Yeah sure why not that is the best thing of the game the realism we can make bio fuel or use horses

But no sorry i can not figure out a big rock with metal ore to mine 😓 in the middle of kentucky

[split brook]

See y’all want to use horses

But like, that horse is gonna fucking spook and die

I only watched season 1 of twd but I remember that horse

[sly pine]

😂😂😂😂

[split brook]

Cars will always be superior

[sly pine]

That spook opportunity will be amazing a real game changer

[split brook]

I think I’ll stick with cars

[sly pine]

😂😂😂

[modest star]

Lmfao

Cars should still be useful in my opinion even if the fuel begins to ruin cars that haven't been turned on awhile, it'll make leveling up the mechanic trait more useful than it already is

[split brook]

Like I said: biofuel

[terse rune]

Biofuel and wood gas can work but at lower efficiency. Main problem is spare parts.

[split brook]

We will just craft them 😏

[terse rune]

Eventually you are going on really makeshift stuff like madmax car, which kinda be closer to a model T than a modern car lol

[quartz sable]

okay I know the devs said that nuclear reactors are unreasonable to build - but it would be interesting to maintain one 👀

[split brook]

Okay see I’ll compromise on that

Cuz then we can still have cars

[terse rune]

I mean, why run a nuclear reactor when you can make windmill and watermill. Not like you are powering a whole nation

[modest star]

Yeah biofuel could work but also biofuel doesn't work with all engines I think it's mainly diesel engines but bending a bit of the realistic aspect wouldn't hurt

[abstract halo]

can't wait to be able to make a spoon 100 years after the apocalypse

[split brook]

I don’t think there’s a nuclear reactor in Louisville lol

[split brook]

I think for the sake of gameplay they’ll have to

[abstract halo]

can't wait to make a nuclear reactor 100 years after the apocalypse

[modest star]

Yeah we could use metalworking and mechanic but at a certain level with those two traits you'll be able to craft the spare parts but it should be late game thing so it's not easy to make

[quartz sable]

say, if there was a nuclear power facility on the island to the west of the city, and you had to

• find your way across the river
• clear out the facility
• find/craft/research lead lined suits
• fix generators
• make your way to a military base or something to find nuclear rods that may have crashed in transport
• equip suit to prevent direct health damage and find a way to transport to the facility
• power up the station and enjoy lights and power across the map?
  idk, tossing out an idea.

[split brook]

That’ll likely be the tinkerer or something

[modest star]

I agree it'll be coool

[split brook]

Like I said I hope options are to allow everyone to learn everything

Which it sounds like they will

[modest star]

I get what you're getting at it's a cool idea I can see survivors trying to fight to keep the nuclear power facility in whoever control but it seems like it'll change something significantly if this were to happen I don't if it'll be better gameplay or not

[split brook]

I don’t honestly think its worth it

Just use generators or a treadmill or something

[modest star]

Yeah I would hope because role-based crafting would be painful for if you're playing alone lol

[split brook]

Not to mention npcs are years away

[terse rune]

I think they did say everyone can learn everything, but occupations & traits has better affinities for certain things

[split brook]

Yeah

[terse rune]

kinda rimworld style with passion

[split brook]

Which I can honestly live with

I never played Rimworld

[quartz sable]

generators are nice, but they're very "one size fits all". One large base might require 3+ generators, and it only covers that one specific area. What about an industrial generator that's 2x3 and covers a much larger radius at the cost of increased fuel consumption?

[terse rune]

so it will be really inefficient to learn everything by yourself, but you can

[split brook]

Not really into those kind of game’s

[split brook]

It’ll just depend and also if it will deteriorate

[terse rune]

it is just basically multiplier for xp just like current xp system

though it is a bit more related to traits and occupation of the character

I think since the key thing is that your character doesn't live forever (can eventually die to old age) the idea is to maximize your skill in things you are good at and leave behind an easier world for your next char

it is kind of rogue lite in that way

[keen jewel]

this was truly a ramblz

[civic peak]

smiting in PZ be like using the iron dagger exploit in skyrim to level up your skills lol.

[keen jewel]

the community cares too much, they know what they are doing, they never made a mistake. This vision of the game is perfect, it's an incredible expansion, if you don't like it, just play in the build you prefer 😄

[abstract halo]

can't wait to use blacksmithing to make cool spears!

[tropic spire]

this, and that its made sure that many kinds of books/magazines can be (mostly) reliably found in libraries/bookstores

[brittle lodge]

It is exciting to see what the crafting team will come up with, i love that the minecraft mod packs have been an inspiration for them, there are some really great ones. Yay!!!

[split brook]

Mmmmmmm I don’t think that’s true

There are plenty of things that are good but that doesn’t make it perfect

Numerous veterans can tell you how things can be improved

[noble spade]

Bit random, but I love that they mentioned putting some serious work into the UI of it all. Be a pain in the butt to use the current one

[severe charm]

I'm going to make 900 spoons and attach them to the end of a stick

[brittle lodge]

sporks!

[severe charm]

Comically large spork

[hazy wadi]

Wow. WAY more discussion on this week's compared to two weeks ago.

[split brook]

Probably cuz of me

And they are making major changes to the system

[keen jewel]

Imagine shooting a pirate like pistols, because all normal guns rusted to dust, and your technologys are not advanced enough to make one

[exotic wind]

I think a way to solve the grindy aspect of crafting is to keep the crafting tree courteously shallow

so that it looks something like this

sorry for the poor diagram

it should go very deep but not wide toward the end

[keen jewel]

Are there caves in Kentucky? I'm the guy who likes to dig into the ground and build his civilization deep under the surface in minecraft and in general any games where it's possible, imagining that I'm a cool beard

pot-bellied dwarf

[split brook]

Not in a city area

I was gonna say I don’t really want to be able to mine like in Minecraft

Buuuuuuuuuut an underground base

That does sound quite neat

[slender crest]

Lol

[split brook]

Depends on how low one could go

[keen jewel]

I did not say about digging, but the developers plan to add underground dungeons like basements and laboratories, then there should be caves (at least with mods)

[slender crest]

Idgaf about a crafting overhaul just add more zed options and refine their behaviour cause they still pretty meh

[brittle lodge]

yeah but there really needs to be other things to do besides just killing zombies a way to make survival more appealing to some of us who prefer more of a long game approach to zomboid

[keen jewel]

Would be just fine for my hikikomori dwarf

[split brook]

What would you want

[slender crest]

There really needs to be other things to do than looting crafting and organising the loot

[brittle lodge]

what other things would you like to see

[slender crest]

More levels to the vision hearing and memory. More ways to fine tune day/night activity. Stealth that works. Hearing that works

Zeds being able to detect light and not see through furniture

[brittle lodge]

if those were fine tuned is there any else mechanic wise you would enjoy seeing?

[split brook]

I guess that’s fair

[slender crest]

I guess mainly some sort of expansion to the events/survivor stories that gives you something to do that seems meaningful

[sly pine]

This question is hard to find a n answer cause the main objective of zomboid is survive as u prefer

[brittle lodge]

course but feedback from community is always nice to read , different ideas n shtuff

[sly pine]

A for sure

Personally i would like an ending TWD comic style

[split brook]

Where everyone dies?

[sly pine]

Growing my community trough the apocalypse

In the comic not all died😂

Most of them😂

[split brook]

I won’t lie more options for zeds does sound pretty sweet

[sly pine]

Yeah will be cool ad make them more reactive

And yeah possibility to sneak like passing behind the cars to cover urself

[split brook]

Allow us to have 32x zombies

[sly pine]

Or like more models like fatty zombies

[slender crest]

Afaik zeds cant be drawn out of interiors by sounds. There are loads of things wrong with their detection system. Yeah idk just... they are the main ingredient to the games recipe but their level of polish dont reflect that

Horde behaviour needs work. To bring it more in line with expectations from zombie media

[hazy wadi]

That, they're definitely gonna work on as soon as they can get the clothes to mesh right on bodies. i.e., when players can get fat, zombies will get fat

[sly pine]

What do u mean they can't be drawn out by interiors u like they shouldn't go out the houses ?

[slender crest]

If you drive past a house honking your horn you only the attract zeds that are outside

[sly pine]

But is normal if i pass and honk the zeds inside they hear and try to go out

[sly pine]

Sorry but I don't see the wrong in thata

[slender crest]

No you aren't listening

Zeds indoors are deaf mate to the world outside

[sly pine]

Ah ok I'm sorry

[hazy wadi]

I do agree that zeds could probably get some rework and rebalancing. Maybe with the performance improvements, they'll be able to afford to do stuff like actually spawn zombies buildings even when we don't get near the building.

Cuz right now, zeds don't spawn in building until you get near them and see tiles inside them

[slender crest]

^

[hazy wadi]

Plus, there's the chicanery where zeds will see you when you walk around a corner until you stop for a few seconds

[sly pine]

Really because now if i pass with my car also the zeds from inside house come out

[slender crest]

Maybe youve already been in or whatever to spawn em

[hazy wadi]

Maybe you saw a tile through a window

[slender crest]

Yeah i have to play with memory on none otherwise they literally know how to find you when you are out of sight. Broken that is. And in the dark they rly need to be attracted to artificial light

[sly pine]

I don't know but usually when i surpassed the peak day and go exploring towns like mulfraugh or march ridge they come out of the houses like a swarm in some houses

[slender crest]

Hmm

[hazy wadi]

Oh, and you know else the game could eventually get? Just a small QoL thing, but if people and zombies actually fell over when they fall from a second story, it'd be appreciated. Like, zeds always fall vertically down and it's just a bit unimmersive

[sly pine]

Once i was full and i saw a big house but can't stop so i went straight i back the day after and inside there was like 10 zeds a a

[sly pine]

That cool especially with the 32 floors add

[sly pine]

I olay with memory normal

[slender crest]

How do you put up with it? Heres how it works: you break line of sight but zeds can still see where you are anyway and will path to where you are going, not where they last saw you

[split brook]

I think the way they do zeds is fine

But I do think it can be improved

Problem with zombies indoors is if you get their attention they they just come pouring out and be outside

Would they go back in?

Would they just randomly enter buildings and stay there

[slender crest]

Only with behaviour improvements

[split brook]

I think there’s talk of them improving the current system

For indoor spawn anyway

[sly pine]

Idk cause i play with settings trying find a good ones Twd style like if thet hear a stimulus they follow it and mive the zone i have also migration every hour

[sly pine]

This to me happened

[slender crest]

I wish the hordes were more like TWD. Roaming and gathering zeds

[split brook]

You can increase horde counts im sure

[sly pine]

Those i do with large gathers meet each other or no groups at all but only with insane population

[slender crest]

Nah thats not rly enough

[split brook]

Maybe in the future there will be an option for large wandering hordes

[slender crest]

Hope so

And when they get big enough they target your safehouse

Cause you never have to defend it rn. Little clearing at the start and you're usually fine

[sly pine]

U mean like waves

[split brook]

That’s gonna be dependent on how it’s implemented

Cuz not everyone can handle a 1000 zombie horde

[slender crest]

Not exactly. Much slower pace

[split brook]

For their pc specs or in terms of gameplay

[slender crest]

Date

[split brook]

No thanks you aren’t my type

[slender crest]

Lmao

[sly pine]

A massive giant horde of zeds attracted by the sounds from your base basically

[slender crest]

Nah as in it scales with the date

Longer you survive the worse it gets

[split brook]

Basically you are describing what 7 days to die does

[sly pine]

Kinda

[slender crest]

Rly? Played it for 2 mins cause its so janky lol didnt know

[split brook]

Every 7 days a horde will come and attempt to kill you

[slender crest]

Ahh yeah

[split brook]

You have to defend your base from it

[slender crest]

Pretty ideal concept imo

Just that game sucked lmao

[split brook]

Well the way it’s implemented people just try to cheese it

It’s quite a fun game imo

[slender crest]

Also remember everything is optional in PZ

[sly pine]

Instead i will prefer something like my base create noise and zeds will be attract

Kinda SOD 2

[slender crest]

I could not stand the combat. So janky

[split brook]

Well that’s on you I guess

I find it works well enough

[slender crest]

O..k?

[split brook]

You made a comment and I disagreed with it lmao what did you expect

[slender crest]

Less aggravating wording? Lol i aint chastising you for what you like, just stating my opinion

[split brook]

I just said it’s on you, as in it’s your opinion

Cuz not everyone thinks it’s janky 🤷‍♂️

[sly pine]

But one thing that i know I don't want are the ore's rocks to mine to have metals

And minecraft style workstation craft

[split brook]

Just put four planks together

Bam workstation

[sly pine]

Ahhhh i hate that😂

[split brook]

I guess I see what you mean aza it does sound a bit harsh

So I do apologize

There IS plenty of jank in 7 days I’ll give you that

[slender crest]

Nah no stress lol

[split brook]

Next update is gonna fuck things up again 🙄

I trust the devs of this game more than the 7 days devs

[sly pine]

That is fact!

[slender crest]

The level of customisation is indeed incomparable to almost anything else

They know how to attract and keep a wide audience

[split brook]

I mean in a sense that the 7 days devs just keep trying to reinvent the wheel

[amber saffron]

🐆

[split brook]

Where zomboid actually ADDS thing s

Cheeto

[amber saffron]

Can't wait to craft 40 sheet rope to level up tailoring

[mossy hazel]

If tech goes beyond 100 years then may I think having children will be a thing ?
When I see "Generations" I think that, also will age mechanic gonna return? Because otherwise if u manage to survive you can live beyond 100 years and also NPCs if they manage. If answer is no, I wonder what will the logic behind this ?

[split brook]

bro asking for the sex update

[amber saffron]

💀

[civic peak]

lol

[atomic tartan]

They said they wouldn’t add children. I guess they can go with the virus making you not age anymore like how the zombies don’t die off and can live through the various seasons. Along with a children of men scenario with it making the survivors infertile with a few being able to have children but off map

[amber saffron]

Mystery egg 🥚

[terse rune]

They wouldn't add on screen children due to various problems, but they did say survivor can die of old age, so probably they just gonna have some offscreen children being born somewhere and eventually aged into survivors

So the loop will probably be more like, you build up settlements and stuff with one character, until that character die eventually, then you get new characters making their way to the settlements and continue the job

each character doing what they can so the next character have an easier time in the world

kinda rogue lite

[atomic tartan]

I think lemmy was implying in the Reddit thread for this that you won’t die of old age? But I’m not gonna ask him that, I guess we will see how they handle it

[civic peak]

old age and maybe more types of health problems would be nice to have for character.

having pre existing medical issues for characters.

[terse rune]

Lemmy was saying dying of natural death is a luxury pre apocalypse. Post apocalypse you tend to die much earlier due to various reasons

usually zombie related

[civic peak]

If diabetes was a thing in PZ

[terse rune]

Or asthma requires inhaler

Would make it interesting though, like as time passed you have less negative traits for new characters too due to those characters would have been dead without modern medicine

[amber saffron]

i would love to have an asthma attack during a horde

[inner glen]

I think that people who are stressed about the changes about the crafting system will likely almost never interact with it to begin with on a normal timeframe, unless they specifically start way later with the custom sandbox, and so, not impeding on the gameplay loop we are used to (at the beginning at least).
If we go by in term of hours playing in Singleplayer with a 1h/day setting and with speedup when sleeping, it would be a 168h (an entire week IRL of non-stop playing) on average to survive 1 year from day 1. 1680h (2 months and a week) for 10 years.
In a server who doesn't stop when no one is playing on it (still 1h/day and still starting day 1), it would be 336h for a year (2 weeks) and 3360h (5 months) for 10 years.

If we consider in the future that day 1 to a year would be "early-game", 2 to 10 "mid-game" and 10+ years "late-game" (in terms of the usefulness of the crafting system and the creation of a functioning post-apo settlement), custom sandbox will be a requirement if you want to experience it and not be bored of getting there first.

Of course, i tell that with the current systems, and maybe (surely even) that the NPC's will change how we will survive (since the loot will not be only for us and/or a limited amount of players anymore)

failed the math at first cuz brain fart

[hazy wadi]

The devs have mentioned many times that they do not want to add mining into the game. So it begs the question, if they want to make it so that a wilderness map can explore the full tech tree, how will we gather metals?

Will we be panning for metal by the Riverside?

[queen stump]

Personally the stress is not coming from the add of new crafting's stuffs but from how it will be accurate and useful like why add limestones work or thatched roofs? in my opinion is a waste of time develop somenthing like that while we have tons of houses

[queen stump]

Metal from cars

from garbage bins

from tons of things

in max brooks wwz the US take metal from scrapping cause they lost the mines

[hazy wadi]

I just said that they want to make it so that a wilderness map can explore a tech tree. How many cars and garbage bins will we find in the dense woods?

I'm just throwing out ideas. Like, I guess zombies would potentially have lootable materials on them.

Like gold and silver

[queen stump]

i think in a dense wood u are not gonna use metal like u gonna use lumber and avoid metal

like the people in amazonia

flint rock's spears

[queen stump]

yeah probaly necklace made by metal but still the amount will be to small to develop the metal tech tree

[split brook]

There’s pipes in buildings

We can just steal it

I think people have a fair point in being concerned about the crafting stuff, although I will say I’m interested in it

[hazy wadi]

How many times must I keep repeating this? The developers want to make it so that you can still explore the whole tech tree even in a fully wilderness map. I'm talking about how we're supposed to get metal in this scenario.

Because they don't want to add mining

[split brook]

Jesus Christ man sorry lol

[hazy wadi]

I'm not angry. Just annoyed

[split brook]

Well sorry for joining late then

Find pipes in the wild they grow

[hazy wadi]

Perfect lol

[split brook]

Or maybe find it in rocks or something

Or maybe the devs should not concern themselves with having a wilderness only map

[hazy wadi]

But you know. I just realized something really odd. We're not going to have mining in the game. But we already have pickaxes 🤔

[split brook]

Since at that point they just change the game and what it’s about

[atomic tartan]

I dont think mining is out of the question from this https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/sveybv/to_answer_a_few_concerns_people_have_had_about/

[shrewd coral]

We also have kids toys but no kids 🤔

[split brook]

Eaten by zombies

[shrewd coral]

So was all the metal

Lore solves it all

[hazy wadi]

Fair enough

[unkempt oar]

"they wouldn't add children"

Ofc

Dead, zombie game survival ofc no children

[hazy wadi]

Officially in vanilla, no.

[unkempt oar]

Anyone would like to see some group somehow boycott this game?

[atomic tartan]

Nah, itll be people whining that kids are getting killed a vidya gaem. You cant have that

[unkempt oar]

Can't have those bird people tweeting about this game

The epitome of my anger

They will literally feel my wrath if this game somehow got boycotted

Hence, can't have children in this game

[hazy wadi]

People need to stop caring so much about Twitter

[unkempt oar]

Then somehow, DL1 survive the boycott because protag could break neck children that screams

I wish we still live at that time

They didn't care, they just made a good game

[shrewd coral]

DL1 is banned in several countries due to that lol

[unkempt oar]

Pain

[hazy wadi]

From what I'm reading, the game wasn't being boycotted by Twitter over that. It just didn't pass the govt ratings boards

[fading sigil]

What’s dl1

[split brook]

So we need to take zombies bodies and melt them down to get at the metal

Brilliant

[hazy wadi]

Dying Light 1

[fading sigil]

Ohh

[shrewd coral]

Zombies directly turn metal into farts, no metal for you

[unkempt oar]

Well it was 2015, the time twitter is still okish less with those people you see gets roasted by majority for their trash opinions

[hazy wadi]

Nah, we need to extract the and purify the calcium from their bones. Technically, you could have a character drink a bunch of milk, die, then convert their bones into more calcium.

[unkempt oar]

Just add chemistry

[split brook]

I apperently need to play dying light 1

[unkempt oar]

I wish we could eat zombie meat by having iron gut

[hazy wadi]

Purportedly, the parkour is quite fun. I think one of the DLCs also give you a grappling hook

[fading sigil]

Like Batman

[unkempt oar]

Actually you can get grappling without the dlc

The dlc was all new weapons and cars

[rain tulip]

mammoth cave, one of the biggest caves in america is in ky

ive been its cool

[tropic spire]

arguably the biggest in the world by length

i wanna see more zed animations and behaviors and body shapes n such

nothing crazy or uncharacteristic, just more things that make them feel a little less robotic and slightly more unpredictable

[queen stump]

👍

[split brook]

I can agree with that

[midnight ocean]

what does the "survivors" thing in the bottom right corner mean?

npcs confirmed b42?

[shrewd coral]

it's not an indev screenshot, it's a screenshot from the community as mentioned in the bottom of the post

they were playing with mods

[terse rune]

Lots of other mods on screen too

[midnight ocean]

Damn. NPCs unconfirmed

[vivid anchor]

Apparently npcs will be finished in build 48?

From what I've seen and heard

[civic peak]

good thing animals will be the first NPC

[split brook]

We can expect npcs in 6 years then

[civic peak]

until we could have hostile animals to make things more excellent.

[split brook]

Honestly I’m fine with dumb animals

I’m glad at least zeds won’t kill them

[civic peak]

players who live in the woods would have chances of running into hostile wildlfie and also wildlife being threats to your crops like rabbits and deer that would eat them.

[split brook]

They will die

[civic peak]

mice and rats threats to your non perishable food supply.

[split brook]

More like mice and rat treats

[worn ferry]

The last of us is becoming real in zomboid

[civic peak]

seeing mushrooms growing on the ground

[split brook]

Eat mushroom

[civic peak]

if some psychedelic's mushrooms were added to PZ

[solar furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

[keen jewel]

someone asked something like this last time too

chat lag

always makes me look stupid as hell

im done

[light stone]

In regards to the skill books falling out of fashion as time goes on, I feel like the best way to keep that going late-game/far in the future would be letting a player rewrite/create a new book based solely on their own skill level.

So if they have levels 1-2 in say, mechanics, they could only write a mechanics skill book for 1-2 that another player, who does not have level 1-2, can read and get the xp boost for. If they have levels 7-8, then they can make any of the previous skill books below those levels.

Something something preserving the knowledge for future generations

[mossy hazel]

I dont know how many people will literate after 100 years. Like there is no school for children in a zombie infested world. At least for the first generation maybe two.

[light stone]

Well if there are communities that form within the first 5-10 years, then there will definitely be adults who have at least basic highschool levels of education - college degrees, so they'd be more than capable of passing that knowledge down

The communities would open schools and start teaching the children in those communities, I don't think it'd disappear entirely

[mossy hazel]

What i would like to see is that make game fast forward to 10 years later. Like Life by You. Game will simulate 10 years in the meta game. That would be cool. Of course for single player.

[mossy hazel]

Still how many people will live in those communities and how many of those communities will survive decades. Of course there will be literate people but i think majority of them will illiterate.

[hazy wadi]

Um. They've mentioned many times that they're gonna add a "Many Years Later" scenario in 42. In fact, if we don't already have a start year sandbox modifier, I think we will in 42.

[mossy hazel]

I know that but what I'm saying is different. You start at 93 and whenever you want you can fast-forward the game. I mean NPCs story made by meta game off screen. When you fast-forward meta game makes your character's story like an NPC. I dont know if that possible but it would be a cool mechanic.

[hazy wadi]

Sounds like a possible mod, where it turns your character into an NPC mid game and runs the pre-start metagame for several years

[queen stump]

How do u expect they gonna change the way to level the skills?

[hazy wadi]

It looks like they're still exploring options. Learning from other players/NPCs seems to be one avenue they're exploring.

I think if they had something like "Tinkering" in the Sims to level up stuff like mechanics, electrical and carpentry, it'd be better than grinding car headlamps and disassembling everything.

[queen stump]

what do u like to see about like what u think will be a better way?

[slender crest]

There's a mod that does this. Lets you just practice on a car without having to actually disassemble and reassemble. Could be all vanilla needs

[white sandal]

"it would be rather silly to say the least if some zombie apocalypse survivor was... casting rituals to open portals"

Hmmm sounds like telecorn.

[mossy hazel]

I wonder that, after 100 years will blacksmiths produce sword etc. or people will be able to produce guns ?

[terse rune]

Unlikely that the knowledge is lost that easily within just 100 years. It is just 1 human generation

However people will likely make muskets instead

[split brook]

Or jerry rigged weapons

[slender crest]

Manufacture of firearms isn't exactly common knowledge though. I guess it probably is more-so in Murica, being the gun capital of the planet. But still, I doubt there would be one book with all the necessary info too, so really that kind of stuff could be lost quite easily

Unless you got a Eugene. All depends who survives rly

[split brook]

There is also the possibility of gun magazines letting you see parts

It’s not 100% accurate but maybe you’ll learn

[slender crest]

Mm, as well as good old reverse engineering. Though that generally requires some ingenuity and general engineering knowledge

[split brook]

Well good thing they’ll be adding tinkering

As a profession/crafting thing

[terse rune]

Gun are very conceptually simple. Put explody thing behind thing intended to fly inside a tough shooty thing, light up explody thing so thing intended to fly can fly out the shooty thing

main difficulty was in chemistry to make explody thing and metallurgy to make shooty thing

the chemistry in making black powder is not difficult though, especially when we get those recipes in books for a long time already and not having to trial and error for around a few hundred years

smokeless gunpowder is much harder, but that is not needed for muskets

[noble spade]

bahahaha, I forgot about telecorn

such an odd feature, I wonder if it'll be expanded in 42

[hazy wadi]

I'm pretty sure Switzerland is the gun capital of the planet.

[rain tulip]

usa has 120 out of 100 people for guns switzerland is like 60 out of 100 i think

how is someone going to live so long or not get bored to the point where you have to make ur own guns, hardware, etc?

[terse rune]

Maybe if there is a thriving colony that ladt multiple generations

[hazy wadi]

Huh. Might've been thinking of per area instead of per capita

[noble spade]

if you take apart a modern gun, they're surprisingly straight forward, the gas tube might need some physics knowledge but otherwise it's all relatively easy to understand

[slender crest]

Well lets hope someone like you survives the apocalypse, cause i doubt i could figure it out from stratch well enough to make anything remotely reliable. Even given a lifetime 😅

That said, a bow would do me nicely anyway

[noble spade]

I really think you could, guns are pretty good at keeping things simple, this moves this, and that hits the bullet. it's super easy to understand if you get a half section of a gun, but not bad if you just take it apart

putting it back together isn't so easy tho

[split brook]

A thought I had recently was about how to keep the zeds a threat

With all the new crafting and stuff to make I wonder how zeds in late game remain dangerous

[noble spade]

If I read the dev posts correctly, it seems they want to turn the danger away from zeds towards people as time goes on

[split brook]

See I don’t like that though

This is a ZOMBIE game, not pubg

What’s the point of including zombies if they are only a threat in the beginning

[noble spade]

that's something the devs continue to scratch their heads on and think about

[split brook]

Indeed

[noble spade]

we'll just have to wait and see how they do it, maybe they'll have a horde system, who knows

[split brook]

I think a roaming horde system would help

Options would be nice e

[severe charm]

Tbh I'd be more concerned about making ammo for the damn thing

Or accidentally messing it up

[noble spade]

100%, which is why you start simple, but the gun can teach you how you should try to make it

[severe charm]

Yeah it's just like making the gunpowder and also making sure you don't overdo it and such

Tbf tho if someone can effectively make a makeshift double barrel shotgun in their basement and kill the ex president of Japan then I think alot more people are more capable then they think they are

[split brook]

There are several mods for hordes but it seems both have a few issues atm

[severe charm]

Tbh the only way to make Zed's a threat later on other then hordes are mutations which aren't gonna happen (in modded tho yeah)

[noble spade]

good point, most makeshift guns would probably be break action

[split brook]

I like the idea of a horde coming to get you

There’s “here they come” and “horde night”

[severe charm]

It doesn't really make sense tbh

But it is fun

[noble spade]

maybe you stink REALLY bad

draws a horde

[severe charm]

If your colony doesn't shower for long enough it attracts more zeds

Actually yeah maybe like having too many dead corpses could attract them like don't feed the zombies

[split brook]

There IS a they hunger mod

So too many zed corpses will attract

[noble spade]

or "don't feed the zombies"

[split brook]

Maybe that’s the one Im thinking

[atomic tartan]

You know, I hope they have a solution for dealing with water. I feel like it’ll have the player and other NPCs being forced to live by the river and it’s runoffs leaving the majority of the map abandoned for when it’s needed for livestock, farming and revamped crafting.

[split brook]

There is a solution with water: rain collectors

[midnight ocean]

once you have the skil to make rain collectors, water is no longer a problem

[terse rune]

There is also wells that are common in farms, which is where you might want to settle if you have lifestock, since afterall there are everything required for farming already built there, just need some fortification

[split brook]

Yeah farming will make things interesting

And the changes to fishing

[atomic tartan]

Yeah, I hope we can dig wells because I doubt simple rain collectors would be enough to maintain a late game community

[hazy wadi]

Ooooh. Sounds like a great idea for a multi-stage late game project!

[noble spade]

I mean, that's how many real world communities do it

there's reason we have huge water towers. So we don't die between rain.

[split brook]

Just don’t have big communities

Simple as

[peak rock]

well eventually the zombies will mostly die out and the virus will be less of a problem than cholera

[split brook]

except they wont

they would continue to be a threat imo

[noble spade]

sorta? zombies are a threat to the unprepared and unaware. a pointy stick and some friends make them a non issue

[split brook]

well I want them to be the threat lol

[noble spade]

I do too, it's just hard with a non evolving threat

[split brook]

which begs the question, how does one make them continue be the threat

i guess beyond making the game harder for yourself

[noble spade]

hordes

hordes are the only way I can think of that you keep the zombie abilities static while keeping them threatening

leverage their whole point of danger

[split brook]

yep

[hazy wadi]

Wait. I think I have an idea.

Not simply mutations, but adaptations! What if zombies slowly evolved to counter the issues that cause them to die or lose aggro?

Like, if players are good at sneaking around them, then zombies will evolve hearing and/or sight. Outrunning them will cause them to increase running speed.

And this wouldn't be all at once, but rather as you keep using certain tactics, every now and then you'll be faced with zombies that counter your dominant tactic. And as you keep using those tactics, you'll start seeing more zombies countering it.

This would help keep you on your toes rather than let you get comfy.

[mossy hazel]

4x pop, 1000 zed hordes solve it for me for now. I am forced to live in rural areas, with other people it may be easy to clear but there is zed respawn anyway and with item respawn off they will be a bigger threat I think.

[split brook]

oh yeah theres options

are you using a horde mod?

[mossy hazel]

Nope, just max the zed on hordes.

[split brook]

ah

[mossy hazel]

And maybe they are closer to leader a bit than default if i remember correct

Also slightly higher travel range

Zeds on normal settings just poor vision

Ah also just shamblers because i like twd style

[noble spade]

I don't get how people use just shamblers, they're SO SLOW

[mossy hazel]

When they are 1000 zed horde its not a problem if they are slow

I just hope in future there will be option for fast shamblers+shamblers.

[unkempt blade]

Several years ago I played pretty extensively on a 2-day death ban minecraft PVP faction server. Something like what’s described in the link with similar rules would be amazing.

If you died, you couldn’t log back in for two days and your faction lost points. Chunks could be claimed for 8 points each, but if you fell under that amount your chunk would go unclaimed and could be raided/griefed until your points slowly came back up.

Doing something similar and having the world hard reset if/when everyone has died at once would be amazing

[split brook]

While I get that this is there vision, I think there is some fairness in being concerned about the game in some ways

[grizzled mortar]

Is there any information about how the new fluids and power transmission will work?

[terse rune]

nothing more than what is already shared

[slender crest]

Agreed. Simple enough solution: vanilla horde nights. But unlike the mods have it send the horde to your base, not you. So you actually have to defend your shit. Proper roaming hordes too like you said, not like the mods that just spawn em. It could tie in with recruited NPCs and other noise sources like generators. The more noise your base makes the more often/numerous the hordes. You can even try to intercept them before they reach your base if you know they are targeting you somehow

[atomic tartan]

Maybe they’ll update the zombie behavior when npcs drop and have them use the meta verse they’ve built to have these kind of things happen

[split brook]

Oh god no not the metaverse

[hazy wadi]

Idk man. It's pretty neat.

[slender crest]

I think state of decay 1 did Hordes and NPCs pretty well. Could go for something similar. Setting up an NPC as a comms operator at a radio could allow them to actually mark incoming hordes on your map or smthn

Doesnt even matter if you have a zombie proof second storey base, as its still gonna be punishing having a massive horde hanging around your way in/out/up/down

Would be cool if when you have a safehouse you could actually see a ring around it showing the radius of the noise level. Wandering hordes could have seperate behaviour that makes them home in on your base even from outside the noise radius

Being able to claim outposts once you have a safehouse and station "scouts" there could provide information on zed movement/loot in that area too, provided the outpost/NPC is equipped with a radio

[peak rock]

most mutation/ adaptions would simply make the zombies die of cancer, it's quite unrealistic for zombies to become better over time

[peak rock]

you can't make something continue to be a threat eternally, people will always adapt

[split brook]

Well at that point you’ve won the game

And I feel you can by giving options

The horde idea is a great one and in fact has already been added with mods

[hazy wadi]

it's quite unrealistic
Dude. Your argument is zombie cancer.

[split brook]

How can zombies die if they are already dead

[peak rock]

it's what happens when cells mutate

they generally become cancerous

[noble spade]

Often? Maybe. Generally? No

[terse rune]

Zombies are unrealistic and so any mutation would be unrealistic as well

But I think, like most other zombies media, the zombies are just the catalyst that force human to face their dark side

At one point, zombies are not the main threat, but other people

[severe charm]

die squared

[slender crest]

Thing is you can have different types of zeds that pose different types of challenges without having to have over the top special infected. A guy that died wearing armor is enough to mix things up. Fat zombies that are slower but harder to bring down. Freshly turned infected still having good motor function/ability to run. Sick of seeing "bloaters" and "screamers" and shit in every game

Games get stale faster without different types of threats/enemies, but copy pasting the same shit over and over is ridiculous

[terse rune]

we already have police and military zeds wearing armor though it doesn't make them tougher, would be nice if they do...

A variety of zeds would be nice and make things fresh

[keen jewel]

it would be something else and would be great if zombies had their own body conditions, medical, protection, insulation, warmth etc... i dont know why they dont ngl

[slender crest]

Would be cool if you could only stealth brain zeds wearing helmets if you have a high enough short blade level

[terse rune]

Or knock the helmet off.

[vivid anchor]

Maybe sharp weapons aren't as effective against armoured police and firefighter zombies?

That would be a cool idea

[noble spade]

Firefighters maybe, knives cut through bullet proof vests though

[vivid anchor]

Maybe if you have a high blade skill, short or long then you should be able to damage the zombie through the gear but a portion of the damage is negated.

[vivid anchor]

How about stomping on helmets for example, pretty hard.

[noble spade]

That would be difficult no doubt

[vivid anchor]

So that's a good idea

[noble spade]

Oh yeah, different armors providing protection is a great idea

[vivid anchor]

And given how much detail project zomboid has, blunt weapons have a low chance to damage zombie clothes but a high chance to damage zombie helmets and for sharp weapons, vice versa

[slender crest]

Indeed, only that would be at the cost of the element of surprise at which point you might as well carry on using whatever you knocked the helmet off with

[split brook]

I wonder how many workbenches the game intends to add

Hopefully it’s not like 20, I think I’d prefer less

I kinda like the idea of having a workbench that can be upgraded to a specific profession

Hydrocraft seems to do that, maybe that’s what’ll be in the main game

[terse rune]

I think work benches are a very nice way to organize recipes for a recipe heavy game like PZ

[split brook]

Oh sure I just hope we don’t need like 20 workbenches is all

[terse rune]

Depends on how the crafting systems and recipes are organized yeah

Like starbound or terraria where you upgrade your work benches and remove outdated recipes, so even though you may have 20 workbenches in total you only practically use like 5

[split brook]

Upgrading a basic workbench would be nice

But that’s just me