Disruption Week

[carmine birch]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/03/disruption-week/

[stark temple]

took a while to post in discord huh

[carmine birch]

ToOk a WhIlE tO PoSt iN dIsCoRd HuH

[tulip hedge]

slowpoke

[elfin bolt]

new thursdoid?????? zillions must read

[tulip hedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/136501320340209664/1085955263598710864/Animation.gif

[stark temple]

im joking

[carmine birch]

Me too

There's only several hours between them

[stark temple]

im also joking, so its not a joke anymore

[carmine birch]

I was joking about joking about it

[stark temple]

inception

[nova ore]

haha stinky discord bot

[shut hare]

hmmmmmmm

what if the background was blue instead of black so it looks like the sky

[stark temple]

that could lead to many issues i think

[shut hare]

probably

[tulip hedge]

it looks better, there'd have to be a certain height it changes like a transition I guess

[shut hare]

just a thought though

[mint canyon]

higher buildings hype

[stark temple]

yeah an addition like that would be cool

[warped tartan]

nice

just need zombies to fall from that height and die.

[mint canyon]

crawlers :)

[stark temple]

imagine getting to the top of it using stairs

[warped tartan]

I remember in the past when zombies did super hero landings.

[stark temple]

pain.

[warped tartan]

sleeping bags confirmed

[molten flame]

candles 👀

[mild basin]

I can't wait until modders get their hands on the multi tile machines and crafting stations

[tulip hedge]

1 long sheet rope 😆

[mild basin]

imagine if zombies cut it halfway xD

[stark temple]

imagine middle of going through and a zomb-

yeah that

[tulip hedge]

need to raid 4 houses just to tie the thing

[stark temple]

are these big pots also new?

[shut hare]

nah

[twin laurel]

that was my first thought ahahaha

[twin laurel]

these?

[warped tartan]

fire barrels

[boreal chasm]

Support for networks of items, power, liquids or gases (ultimately a building’s power, heating and plumbing will use these systems for example)

I hope this means we can have gas leaks and floods

[dense willow]

Missed opportunity to add Assassin's Creed references to the tower demo.

[warped tartan]

making a campfire logic how you dont need any stones to make it.

[boreal chasm]

But if it's more abstract that'd also be neat

[proper heath]

Barrel campfires, I can finally make Detroit in pz 💪💪💪

[nova ore]

fluid system

[warped tartan]

sleeping bags are good for when you want to have a portible bed instead of picking up a heavier bed.

[proper heath]

I’m assuming they might be used as a compliment to tents

[warped tartan]

candlebara would be nice to hold more candles

[proper heath]

I’m hoping for some survivalist stores like REI or something

[frosty bone]

disappointing but understandable blog

[boreal chasm]

Why is this thread entitled Disruption WeekDisruption Week

[mild basin]

oh man, a resale military discount store would also be cool

[warped tartan]

!roadmap

[dusty cape]

https://i.imgur.com/VL87SPo.png

Read about it in more detail more here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

[mild basin]

be able to get MRI's

er

[molten flame]

Poland referenced 🇵🇱 💪

[mild basin]

MRE's xD

[winter lava]

Agreed! Imagine being able to set up decent makeshift outposts and minor safehouses by bringing sleeping bags, instead of needing to find or build beds at location. Seriously bringing in the apocalypse aesthetic.

[warped tartan]

also nice looking tents instead of just makeshift tents.

[winter lava]

OH I wonder if sleeping bags will be rolled up on our backpacks when not splayed out!

[winter lava]

That too! Looks like professional-grade camping tents instead of the simple tarp

[turbid aspen]

Will this include sound traveling differently between levels and distance?

[warped tartan]

building some military style tents to add to my base.

[shut hare]

hopefully

[turbid aspen]

nice

I cant wait to see zombies raining from a building to an alarm

[shut hare]

it's actually terrifying when they start raining from the sky

being near tall buildings is so scary

[turbid aspen]

like the blue in downtown luisville

[shut hare]

yeah 😭

[turbid aspen]

nvm, just news discussion, srry

[shut hare]

build 47 has got to be in late 2030s surely

[winter lava]

I GOT IT! The higher you get, the more the lower levels fade into the sky color!

[frosty bone]

nah but in like 2-3 years

[shut hare]

b42 and b41 have a two year gap, no?

[winter lava]

Because imagine if the entire chunk behind the tower was loaded in. It would be hard to tell how high you are from that because of the isometric camera

[turbid aspen]

maybe earlier, game would probably grow exponentially

[winter lava]

Approx?

[shut hare]

i think so

[carmine birch]

Disruption Week

[shut hare]

@carmine birch

[carmine birch]

ty

[shut hare]

what do you think of this?

[turbid aspen]

penthouse

[shut hare]

https://tenor.com/view/tumbleweed-highway-blue-sky-gif-14068616

[warped tartan]

building a tower in the sky with this base building feature.

[craggy summit]

epic

[warped tartan]

building a floating base in the sky

[narrow quiver]

I care for the big tents

[elfin bolt]

hahahah it was a horrible post but ok, what I can't agree with is the fact that while they promise a thousand wonders, the game doesn't have any new update needles, the decline is evident. Would it be very difficult to make this sleeping bag available to us? An example...

[twilit swift]

They already answered that multiple times: it wouldn't be difficult, but it would delay build 42.

[frosty bone]

probably is

[elfin bolt]

between delaying build 42 and not having new content, I think a middle ground would be possible.

[frosty bone]

im not gonna complain about the game taking long time releasing

ive been waiting since like 2016

[worldly echo]

for someone who seems to read evry blog and complains, you seem to not regain any information because they explained this multiple times

[frosty bone]

and some people have been for even longer

[worldly echo]

this is the middle ground

[frosty bone]

i'd just like to have more info each log since its every 2 weeks

[pearl jasper]

To he honest...why complaints? Even a small blog like this is full of info, the houses will finally have a heating system! The candles, and i think the new water pot in the image is or a cooking station or a washing station i personally feel thrilled by those things, and the time..really there still people complaining about? Think about who start play pz from the start if u really want sleeping bags (to be honest i will never use cause there are not sleeping animations and cause are useless for me) there are mods so...what the point of complain?

[elfin bolt]

it makes no sense to argue that releasing 1 new content is more difficult than releasing 15 new content together, that was the point I made

[carmine birch]

Makes no sense when you think of game development as if you're building a lego house

[elfin bolt]

I'm not complaining, I'm bringing up the subject saying that I don't agree with the methodology of leaving the game stopped to launch an incredible build that takes years to come out, and in that time the game is dead in terms of updates.

[pearl jasper]

Every new content released need work like testing and fixing ,they want to focus to release all together and fix all together instead to do give 1 thing and had to work on that thing and the big update together Tis is not a big studio so their capacity is limited

[elfin bolt]

you and indie stone will always be right my dear nasko, i'm just raising inconsistent issues regarding development 🙂

[carmine birch]

That's not inconsistent, it's something we've explained several times.
Actively working on two main builds (one for mini content, one for 42) instead of having the team working on a common wider goal makes things way too complicated.

I understand you'd want some of the non-big items earlier but that's not feasible to do.
We add something to 41, the team on 42 would have to adjust accordingly, constantly dealing with merge issues.
You'd have 42 a lot later that way.

If you think we didn't think about this and didn't make the decision we made for the better of the game I dunno what to tell you. Again and again.

[elfin bolt]

inconsistent I meant in relation to my point of view, not that you are wrong

[carmine birch]

Ah

[elfin bolt]

some comforting words already warm my heart and help in waiting for b42

[boreal chasm]

Anything for u zaddy nasKo

[gleaming light]

wow, juicy news this week

[worldly marsh]

[narrow quiver]

Dont forget the big tents

[pearl jasper]

Never gave to much attention to tents in 500 hours on the game i used 6 times maybe? I like houses to tents

[narrow quiver]

I mean ya same, but with them adding storage to tents id think the big one would have three times the atorage and i see myself absolutely makeing small camps with them as fallback or rest stops

[pearl jasper]

I think i will use them at first stage of my community when human npc will appear , maybe to build bigger a community u will need beds so tents can be used as beds or at least storage like u said

To be honest the only big thing I'm expecting is only one.....horses!!!

[sharp stream]

Where? 🤔

[molten flame]

build 48 is POLISH 😎 💪 🇵🇱

[warped tartan]

Polish food in build 48

[fluid canopy]

Its hard for me to be excited about a crafting overhaul when so many extisting features still have problems. Zombie behaviour still needs work for example, like, why are only destructible objects "thumpable". Why do zeds just stop pathing if they cant come up with a way to get to you; Shouldnt they attempt to beeline to your position regardless of obstacles? Id love to see some finer control over Zed senses as currently Zed sight radius on "poor" is objectively not poor

[obsidian raven]

lol at that guy that was arguing with me on reddit a few months ago saying that NPC's were just "months" away. We're still months away from this being even on unstable

[dry plaza]

i just want bears to kill the zeds guarding LV police station

[brave tide]

NO WAY THEY ADDED HEIGHT DIFFERENCES?

[rugged glen]

Has been something they planned a long while, but made possible now

[rigid bramble]

Those tents looking beautiful ngl

Sleeping bags too

[trim ginkgo]

Wow this is stacking up to be a HUGE update. Part of me wishes it was split into two separate updates, but I’m thankful for all of this wonderful new content nonetheless

[rugged glen]

some things probably can't be split, especially if they are making some serious foundational changes

[elfin bolt]

im just happy we are getting a huge update

ngl i hope they add violent animals too, so forest can be much more dangerous

[timber thistle]

holy shit lol

whole ass fucking utility update- does this mean we'll get shit like pipelines or what??

[kindred spindle]

my first playthrough i was living in a tent outside a bait shop for some reason. new tents and sleeping bags is awesome.

[rugged glen]

This is something I am really interested in. Straight up factorio style of mechanism might be possible

[thorny sail]

I wanna see vanilla sleeping bags rolled up and attachable to vanilla backpacks

[timber thistle]

SAAAME

I love that kind of stuff so I'm really hyped lol

really curious how it'll work laying pipes n stuff

[hallow igloo]

The coolest thing would be a heating system

[golden hamlet]

Im more intrested in getting one of those tents or sleeping bags and camp out somewhere

[reef cobalt]

I desperately want to interrogate the devs about this

lol

[timber thistle]

Same LMAO

[boreal chasm]

I'm tempering my expectations on that—although it did excite me too, we don't know whether it's more of an abstract thing

I hope it's what it sounds like though

[timber thistle]

Thats also true- I'm still interested regardless tho

Its a p cool sounding idea

[glad hornet]

Maybe we will be able to use a hose or something to water crops faster

And connect it to a timer or remote control

[craggy summit]

winters wont be as hard anymore if we get heating

[frosty bone]

they're not any hard rn tho

[tulip hedge]

wym if we get heating, we got heating

[rugged glen]

We could used piped heating though

[mint canyon]

fire

[timber thistle]

I'm just imagining making a straight pipeline from the gas station to my house lol

[prisma wraith]

Please allow sitting inside tents (not just sleeping) to shelter from rain/windchill

[fluid canopy]

Something like this would be best for that

Doesn't have to be this shape. Would be cool if you could just add this sort of thing to the regular tent using a tarp. As long as it shelters you from the rain sall good

[winter lava]

Does this mean that existing houses will have heating systems in them?

[winter lava]

Reading that alone is made me go "😩"
Like, is this replacing the existing infrastructure?? Will this only apply to the crafting station infrastructure, or are existing buildings being reworked to have actual wires and pipes in the walls?!

[timber thistle]

I'm trying not to have like, toooooo much hope it'll be something huge but god I want it to be like actual wires and pipes lol.

[night mantle]

Dudeeee

Sky scrapers

Louis ville will finally have skyscrapers, as well as Raven Creek

It'll truly become a city

I doubt west market will have 35 floors. But we can have more then 7 now!

My dreams of living in sprawling skyscrapers in the city of Louisville is coming to life 😭

[timber thistle]

SAAAAME

I've never visited LV and prob won't but it'll be nice to know they exist lol

[winter lava]

As cool as skyscrapers are, do we really want to have to climb several stories just to clear 1 building?

[cyan hinge]

I can imagine a custom scenario of trying to survive going down a 35 floors skyscraper with increasing amount of zeds each floor 👀

[winter lava]

Also, are we sure it's 35? I think I counted 32.

[elfin bolt]

Lost in the time loop of 42 builds.

Endless waiting 😄🤣

Enjoy guys ))

[tulip hedge]

🤣

[rugged glen]

depends on how much resources you get per building. With the amount of floor space you get in sky scraper one of them worth like a whole small town in term of resources and living area with natural choke point, so clearing a sky scraper full of zeds might be good late game choice for a base

can even connect to nearby buildings and live dying light style

[winter lava]

Dude. My phone's volume wasn't even half way and even that was way too loud.

[solar current]

Heard about the guy who fell off a skyscraper? On his way down past each floor, he kept saying to reassure himself: So far so good... so far so good... so far so good. How you fall doesn't matter. It's how you land!

[hallow depot]

i hope to god we can put the sleeping bags down as a decorative thing because i really, really, really wanna put one on the army cot with a pillow for aesthetics

[warped tartan]

if blankers could be added to make things more better for beds.

[hallow depot]

would be super nice

[fluid canopy]

"Day/Night activity" could do with being upgraded to "Warm/Cool activity". Using "cool" would have the same general effect as choosing "night" (since day is warm and night is cool) but if shadowed areas were also slightly cooler during the day, zeds would seek out interiors, alleyways or trees. They wouldnt hang out on roads so much, but would prefer to stay just off to the sides in the shade of the trees/buildings, only coming out at night or when they hear/spot something. Zeds that are in the shade would technically be "active" but will only move about in the shadows (unless drawn out by sound or spotting a player) and only those that dont make it to/leave a cool spot will slowly become "inactive". Inactive zeds should be even less perceptive, and have a high chances of just lazily slumping on the ground until the temperature changes. This is the kind of behaviour i feel is missing from PZ zeds; more dynamics controlling their movements and less RNG. Shadows dont even need to be accurately tracked to pull this off either... interiors, alleyways and tree zones could simply be marked as cool spots (with alleyways potentially becoming warm for a brief period around midday [zenith])

[elfin bolt]

Maybe I’m reading too deep and coping and getting my hopes up but I think they might have eluded to b42 unstable dropping soon

[winter lava]

*alluded
And they've emphasized that B42 is not dropping onto unstable any time soon. The soonest I'm betting is mid- to late-July. Latest feels like October.

[quaint wraith]

Apparently there's a new area(s)

[hallow depot]

ye. Think they might've popped up on the online map for a short period of time but I could be wrong

[frosty tiger]

i just want a rework to firearms and blade maintenance

blades should have a separate "sharpness" stat that determines crit chance and deteriorate chance depending on how high and low sharpness is

a blade can be constantly sharpened with a whetstone to maintain its performance without needing to repair it as often

same system should apply to axes

[wraith crow]

You guys should make it so you can wear pots on your head

[frosty tiger]

i'll start speaking gibberish and give seeds to other players if you could wear a pot

crazy dave rp

[rugged glen]

What about blunt weapon? Maintainance free?

[long sun]

would be cool to have something like Dwarf fortess. The higher the height, the "foggier" the ground gets

[elfin bolt]

I feel like mechanics and cars could use a little tlc. Adding diesel fuel as well as standard gas and vehicles use the appropriate types of fuel. Maybe add a semi-truck and trailers to the game as well. As for the mechanics adding oil life and oil levels and needing to perform regular maintenance like flushing coolant, changing air filters, topping off fluid levels etc would be nice and add a new layer of immersion and realism. Adding more parts to vehicles as well like individual engine parts, brake pads and rotors, steering column, ability to repair and remove/install heaters, etc

[winter lava]

That's what I'm saying!!!!

[winter lava]

I'm hoping vehicles get a big expansion and rework in Build 44

Like, give us car interiors!

[frosty bone]

im gonna say with liquid expansion we're getting more depth with fuel

i think they even said something about it

[elfin bolt]

Knowing how Indie Stone is i’m sure they’ll work on vehicles sooner than that. Probably some of the most dedicated developers i can think of honestly. And I’m not just saying that because I’m on their official server haha.

[jagged coral]

That would be sick

[winter lava]

The best assumption we can make right now is that Build 42 will definitely NOT do anything significant with cars.

[trim ginkgo]

I don’t remember when it was, but I feel like I recall them mentioning some small update with cars visually

Don’t know if it had to do with 42 or with a previous smaller update

[elfin bolt]

Yea which is fine. They’re adding a rather significant amount of content as it is. I’m so hyped for the 32 story buildings and basements!

[craggy summit]

WAIT WHAT TALLER BUILDINGS??!?!!?!?

next time i get bit my death will be glamorous

[fluid canopy]

Or zombie behaviour, or combat mechanics, or any of the games other driving force mechanics. Hopefully im wrong and there will at least be some fixes to that stuff

[winter lava]

I mean, did you not read the Thursdoids from the last few weeks? They're modifying the height-limit system so that certain chunks have higher height limits. Up to 32 stories in the base game, both upwards and downwards, and a modded map could have up to 100 floors, I believe.
They even showcased a video of it in last Thursdoid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrBqw-FpOIs

[craggy summit]

I usually only read the most interesting parts to me

[winter lava]

Then, evidently, you're missing out on things that you're clearly interested in.

[worthy tree]

they mentioned a bug screwing with car resolutions a little while back that they worked on

might be what you're remembering

[worthy tree]

do you know where you heard 100 modded floors from? I don't remember seeing that

[fluid canopy]

The best but smallest vehicle related thing they could do this update is making cars able to be climbed onto. With the depth buffer advancements this should be quite sraight forward

[stark temple]

i guess to fix with long vehicles dissapearing at closer distances

visually, like modded trucks

[winter lava]

It seems that firstly, they're focusing on using the depth buffer for the 2D isometric world first.

[winter lava]

Also, I feel like making car roofs physically interactive is a bigger ask that most of us realize.

[frosty bone]

indeed

[devout urchin]

Has there been mention of structural integrity anywhere? I can see the pillars to the sky already

[warped tartan]

building a floating palace in the sky

[vocal turret]

I know B42 will make previous saves incompatible. Will future versions also do this? Given I'm fairly decent at the game, it's sort of demotivating to boot up another run knowing that no matter how well I do, once B42 comes I'll have to start over again.

[winter lava]

Imagine making a full-single floor base on the 32rd storey in the North-West most point on the map. The background will just be black, but nobody will ever find you.

[elfin bolt]

Yes! They’ve been in the works for a while now but this week’s Thursdoid showcased it. I was happy to see it!

Another thing that happened to appear on my wishlist for things being added to zomboid is more farm equipment for making larger fields. Also more crops to grow. For farm equipment maybe some water trailers and sprayers, combine harvesters, tractors big and small that can pull/tow different sized equipment like plough’s, seed planters, lime/fertilizer spreaders, bale makers etc and for plants something like wheat to make bread, green beans, peas, corn, blueberries, peppers, onions, cucumbers, etc. but maybe I’ve just played too much farming simulator🤣

[warped tartan]

growing some onions would be nice.

growing some corn

mushroom farming would be nice to have

[timber thistle]

Imo it'll be a while till B42 comes out anyways, so as much as its understandably demotivating that you'll have to restart it all eventually, you at least have a good bit till its released and you'll wanna start a new one; I'm kinda the same and ive sorta accepted my fate lol

[warped tartan]

I would just start all over in the next build.

[worthy tree]

Most big updates will make older saves incompatible, with super rare small updates also doing it. I wouldn't worry too much though, even if you last in game YEARS, you'll 99% chance get bored before the save is killed.

also you can boot up an older build if you still want to play on the save

[worthy tree]

depth buffer is for visual loading, making the character interact with a car's geometry is whole different can of worms

[warped tartan]

car animations would be awesome to have

[worthy tree]

Maybe then people will stop crying that they're getting nibbled "through windows" when they just didn't close the door

[vocal turret]

b41 was the first time id heard of previous saves being incompatible, but i didnt play too much before b40

[vocal turret]

yeah its just the nature of EA games but i remember reading on blogpost once they wanted to see multiplayer maps that had existed for real life years. i didnt know if they were taking steps to avoid having to restart a map every update

[warped tartan]

making sure single player gets updates before the multiplayer.

[trim ginkgo]

I think that’s what it was. I remember something with like doors being removed and like animations with cars. Probably part of that

My memory is horrible though so take it with a grain of salt

[warped tartan]

interacting with cars like in the GTA games

[timber thistle]

The game will either kill you before you get bored, or you'll get bored and die trying to do something so you wont be bored lol

[fluid canopy]

How so? am I overestimating LUAs abilities that much? I figured that simple collision like that wouldnt be too difficult or need to be too different from how stairs or floors work 😅 its just a floor that covers the extents of the vehicle. And it doesn't have to work in motion. Only being able to do it when a car is stationary is fine.

[fluid canopy]

We already cant walk through vehicles so we already have collision with them 😅 the can is already open. Its literally about letting the player do a climb animation when facing a car and offsetting the players Z value upwards accordingly. The part that is probably trickiest is making zed behaviour work around it.

[worthy tree]

technically yes, we have collision. but "me too close, can't move" is much different than "I can climb on every part of the car and my character will react accordingly"

[fluid canopy]

Ah so youre assuming i want my guy to be perfectly animated with Inverse kinematics and all. Honestly just being able to be up there on the main roof is all that matters to me

[worthy tree]

That would work, but that doesn't sound up to par with TIS's level of quality

[warped tartan]

climb over counters to evade zombies.

[fluid canopy]

Gonna beg to differ on that one, some appauling shit is in the game 😅 this is the same level of quality that has you phase through objects to reach a window. Thats not to say that the game isnt fantastic

[fluid canopy]

Yes

That one cant be hard surely

[warped tartan]

building a wall and having zombies pay for it.

[stark temple]

I just noticed, best base in multiplayer is to build it at max height, and i guess at normal distances you woulndt be able to see it,

destroy everything under it, and like 100 meter long sheet rope has the perfect sky base

now i got thinking of project zomboid: skyblock lol

[warped tartan]

destroy all supports and base will fall this would be excellent logic.

[echo patrol]

Pls dev tem, ad sexo to game

[elfin bolt]

imagine like knee deep water u could walk in. im sure that would be great for mappers that want to make like a swamp themed map

[lusty widget]

I liked this. Would be nice to have some sort of a dynamic roadmap embedded on the site

[winter lava]

Dude. You literally have no idea what you're asking.
Listen. You ever notice how you can only walk on the flat parts of roofs, and not the slanted parts, any why the entire world is on a single flat plane? Because the devs are still working on implementing a system just to have floors of varying elevation! (And when they do, not only will slanted roofs be traversable, but I believe the map will be reworked to have more mounds and hills and such. One big problem that's been discussed for among the team was how to deal with slopes that face away from the screen.) And now you're asking for knee-deep swamps?!?! Just explain to us how that would work.

[carmine birch]

It's pretty easily faked. 2D games have been doing it for decades.

For a really clever way of something like it, look at V Rising how an entire game world on a flat pane can fake the impression of height

[timber thistle]

I mean tbh knee deep water doesn't sound too hard esp compared to the other stuff.

[frosty bone]

yep v rising does it perfectly

[wraith crow]

I feel like it would be super easy to just cut of the texture at the knee

[sudden steeple]

I'd expect that to be a lot easier now that there's a depth map

[little vessel]

All I want is to know is if the new crafting means I can dump a whole can of coffee into a bucket and then pound it to unlock no sleep mode.

[winter lava]

You drink canned coffee?

[dusty trellis]

You don't?

[elfin bolt]

Where is this week thursdoid

I need my at work reading material