Play Your Cardz Right

[limber prawn]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/02/play-your-cardz-right/

[green tusk]

[wary void]

Both "basement" link and "light propagation" link are linking to the same video @limber prawn 😭

[limber prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KgbGw9lnW4

(they're from past blogs)

[shy cape]

first

[red cobalt]

electrician skill will finally have some utility!

[waxen ridge]

Sounds like a lot of good stuff incoming

I’m excited

[civic linden]

Really appreciate that you guys goes into the details of the challenges you face, and explain it in easy to understand manner

[red cobalt]

will houses finally have garbage cans in them?

[wary void]

i ABSOLUTELY love everything you guys talked about in this blog. My fav part is the animations used for caring for the animals in animal husbandry. [the animation for shaving sheep is super nice] and i hope we will see more animations like that for crafting, cooking, etc. Becouse now, most of those "timed" actions use the base default animation which is kinda...meh and boring

[red cobalt]

Btw was there a blog released about some balancing changes by any chance?

[sterile imp]

I didn't much stand that indeth talk on optimisation but I support it 🙂

[pastel glacier]

Big thursdoid

[remote depot]

Goddamn, I took 30 minutes to read that one !

[steel lodge]

these optimizations seem like they're going to make speeding down the road at max zoom a LOT more safer. Getting really excited for B42

[dense wigeon]

omg, this is gonna be SUCH a cool release

also, @limber prawn is "here are also alternate means for players with the Smoker trait to feed their addiction to nicotine.” some kind of conformation on tobacco seeds? =3

[sterile imp]

vaping

actually was that even invented during that time?

[dense wigeon]

uh, I don't think so

2003 xD

it's GOTTA mean tobacco (or a way to make the smoker trait go away)

[tawdry cobalt]

Realistic farming times? So I gotta water the plant for 6 months? huh

[dense wigeon]

hopefully we'll get irrigation (or someone'll make irrigation)

[sterile imp]

maybe connect a sprinker to water?

[dense wigeon]

hm, I mean

could almost set up a clock to set off an alarm to start a sprinkler that's connected to a water barrel

[sterile imp]

its a big read

i will admit

[tawdry cobalt]

I am excited for the farming/animal update
I hope it comes out before summer

[sterile imp]

it looks like they have a solid plan now and its less (lets start to fix x now), now i will assume they will work to get these key areas out of the door

im predicting the beta will be out before summer, full release maybe autumn

[pastel glacier]

soo many new fish species and more specific species names.

[drifting fiber]

that or nicotine gum

[pastel glacier]

paddle fish

[steep flower]

G I R T H Y blog post

[pastel glacier]

best dev blog post ever.

[stuck pike]

satisfying blogpost. might be good to add a belt inventory tab similar to the keyring for all the things we'll be hanging on but only using for interactions in the future

[dense wigeon]

would be nice to have a belt inventory or clip things onto the belt or backpack via carabiner clips

or be able to sew more slots onto the belt via high leveled tailoring

[brisk dock]

Amazing job on the rendering engine! Besides the performance improvements, I'm very excited about the capabilities it could bring, I imagine PZ with actual shadows, adding more realism and immersion, would it be possible?

[dusty tangle]

I liked it when the chickens killed each other
Good

[pastel glacier]

cock fighting in PZ

jaw stabbing a cow to kill it.

[dusty tangle]

Cock fighting is now real
10/10

[pastel glacier]

hen fighting

good thing we dont need roosters to have hens lay eggs IRL.

[woven idol]

it'd be nice if we could see more of how far things are in development

[pastel glacier]

I wonder with cows we could cross breed different breeds of cows

Holstein and angus mix

[cold river]

About the question "will be possible to rotate the camera?" I don't think is really something the players care about in pz, at least not me or my frieds who play pz, so for me they can skip this feature...

[woven idol]

they get a ton of people asking about it

some folk more... angrily... than others

[dusty tangle]

That’s really odd, the camera in PZ is such like an iconic part of the game
I know some isometric games had an option to rotate but it isn’t necessary lmao

[jagged radish]

do said people know that the hand drawn isometric tiles are 2d

[woven idol]

but me go behind! must be 3d!! mod made me sit in chair!!

[dusty tangle]

Lmaooooo

[cold river]

For real? I think i this game have a rotating camera is just a waste of a feature, i was thinking the most requested was to ad s.x...

[woven idol]

shreckx is the most, but they still get lots of other never gonna happen requests

[split glade]

I'm really hyped on the basements ngl lol, and hearing how they'll improve rendering is also really cool.

Like the performance improvements are gonna be so insane

also that shader they were working on to make it so the character renders better with stuff (and doesnt look weird/off, and was preventing players from sitting in chairs and stuff and not looking weird,) is such a good fucking idea

[sick whale]

tara

[glad rune]

HMM...

[pastel glacier]

army bag confirmed

jerry cans also confirmed to hold more fuel

[tall juniper]

The non rotating camera is part of its charm. Plus I like having north always facing up. Not to mention it would probably be a ton of work because you'd have to make sure there's no parts of your view blocked

[tall juniper]

Niiice I'm tired of these shitty plastic cans

Or are they still the same cans. I want legit jerrycans

[pastel glacier]

all we need is some good car attachments like having a spare tire holder.

spare tire holder.

[mossy fossil]

I know this is something already discussed, but seriously, turning the entire game map into 3D would bring so many advantages (Graphics in general, shadows, lighting, performance....) Is there any great reason for devs not to implement a 3d map?

[sterile imp]

hard af

like entire builds hard

[pastel glacier]

engine limitations or hardware limitations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=28&v=M36KNBgzz0c&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fprojectzomboid.com%2F&source_ve_path=MTM5MTE3LDEzOTExNw&feature=emb_logo

tree branch could be used as a weapon

[mossy fossil]

There was a guy who was making a 3d map prototype, and the result was very promising. I mean, if a modder can do it, imagine what Devs wouldn't do.

[knotty yew]

Everything in this blogpost looks amazing, very excited

[pastel glacier]

blog posts are amazing

Next blog post is on march 2nd as long as there is no delay.

[cold river]

I think is not about what the devs cannot do it but this graphic is like the signature of the game and players really appreciate, plus think a boit how a 3d map will influence the fps when u have like 100 or 300 zed on your back

[stable maple]

wait, what? where was this?

[pastel glacier]

until indie stone allows more guns to the game.

[mossy fossil]

But zombies are already 3D, the impact would be the same, and as I said, in terms of performance, in this week's blog they said that modern hardware is made for 3D and that's why 2D games like zomboid perform poorly .

[mossy fossil]

That's been months ago, the result was amazing with shadow and everything, it was in the #mapping tab. I'll see if you can find a link

[pastel glacier]

cant wait until proper lighting gets added.

[stable maple]

i found it, thankfully

looks crazy, maybe he'll finish it one day

#mapping message

[mossy fossil]

Yes, that one

[cold river]

Like i told u maybe they want to keep like thata as the "unique feature" of their game

[cold river]

To be honest i will not like pz with that map..

[stable maple]

thats understandable, i dont want it to replace the 2D map by any means, just for it to be a mod or something

[cold river]

Totally but I don't know also this try in 3d is missing the magic😂

[trail aurora]

oof, as expected... no more playing PZ on my potato laptop

[hoary smelt]

Wonderful blog. Very glad to see “bottleneck items” getting more reliable spawns. for a while ive been hoping for a mod or something that places things like that in specific inventories on the map reliably if you dont come across them elsewhere.

[copper geyser]

YESSSSSSSSSS

[hoary smelt]

Finally farming being like, doable with a controller too 😫

[tropic thistle]

My entire soul as a long term player is absolutely vibrating with joy. What I'd give to know how foraging zones will affect animal fodder accessibility.

[pastel glacier]

just need lemon grass to act as a deterrent to slugs since that stuff works IRL

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261219420302325

or another alternative to fighting insects is by removing them by hand if you dont want to spray chemicals.

[shy cape]

@limber prawn congratulations, the post was very good

[shy cape]

a batman utility belt i want

[sterile bramble]

So very pumped for potential chair sitting in all directions

[polar lynx]

i cant wait for B42 AAAA

[pastel glacier]

just need some amazing animations to sitting on chairs or furniture and car animations.

best blog post ever.

[polar lynx]

im more excited for this

“In regards to Generator Magazines, with a high enough Electrical skill in Build 42, your character will be able connect and repair Generators without needing that magazine. We are also adding additional varieties of lighter and matches, as well as Lighter Fluid for refilling the classic lighters, and you will be able to use a vehicle lighter, open flame, or an appropriate stove to light cigarettes. There are also alternate means for players with the Smoker trait to feed their addiction to nicotine.”

VEHICLE LIGHTER

[pastel glacier]

BBQ lighter.

[tender brook]

I love all of the stuff talked about

So many quality of like stuff and I like the focus on not locking stuff as hard between items

Thank you pz devs for your hard work I love you all so much

[sharp peak]

Think this may just be the single most important update, except for maybe B41 zomboid might ever get

[jagged radish]

I like reading through the more technical details, they may not appeal to everyone but a lot do like it I think

[dusty tangle]

The next future build updates are going to be amazing

including this one ofc

[sharp peak]

ofc, but I really do think that this is going to be the most important one

[dusty tangle]

yes :)

[copper geyser]

43 will have NPCs

[frigid plover]

aside from NPCs I'm also excited for hostile wildlife like hunting wolves and grizzly bears

[sharp peak]

Eh, I think NPCs will be exciting but from a technical perspective, this is huge

this update will likely fundamentally change the playability of the game. Not to mention that it'll open up modding more, too

[frigid plover]

just imagine a helicopter throws down a rope. swat team slides down. clears out the neighborhood. kills anyone including you on sight. that would be a cool mod.

[formal helm]

Still waiting for the other new furniture tiles to be picked up(ATM, microscope) xD

[shy cape]

yes

[sterile imp]

i wanna burn it to the ground 🥲

[ivory oar]

will this new lighting system fix shadows of interiors the structure you build from ground up in the wild?

will it behave same as the current buildings?

[muted knot]

Honestly hope that with the whole "making the world more lively" they make fuctional vending machines so you either get some money or make sum noise

I wont belive that literally every single machine was smashed open and then consumed by the void

[muted knot]

Thats dumb

On the other hand i think the current fixated style should be tweaked so you can see zombies that you would realistically see even if they are covered by things like cealings

Its rare but when it happens its pretty annoying

[tender brook]

There aren’t any grizzlies in Kentucky

[tender brook]

And like trees should not completely block vision

[woven idol]

It is pretty dumb, as for the cutaway system, they mentioned early on in B42 development they were working on it so we might see an improvement on that front

[muted knot]

whats a cutaway system

[copper geyser]

They aren't adding that, it's just a thing some people complain about incessantly

[copper geyser]

Half of the blog post was talking about performance improvements?

[drifting fiber]

Loved the cow attacking the guy. Can't wait for actual hostile wildlife to get you. Could you imagine a bear just swiping you out? Or deer walking through an overgrown town

[woven idol]

The way the game removes buildings from view so you can see in/behind them

[stuck forge]

Will there be an opportunity to change the height limit? (Mods)

[copper geyser]

Seems unlikely, but what in the world could need more than 32 stories?

[limber prawn]

Please keep this thread related to discussing the blog post

[sick whale]

big tall buildings

[limber prawn]

Last warning

[pastel glacier]

building with 32 stories could imagine the multiplayer base locations.

[ocean robin]

Who here's also betting for a 32-story basement under the Secret Military Base?

As for buildings, we definitely DO NOT need 32 story skyscraper. 10-12 stories? Maybe. Why would we need 32?!

Could you imagine having to climb 32 stories to clear a building? It would literally take a whole day!

Plus, that doesn't even go into game balance.

[tender brook]

what predators to humans would exist in kentucky

[tender brook]

someone needs to build nyc

[drifting fiber]

wolves, bears

[tender brook]

there are not hostile bears in kentucky

[pastel glacier]

coyotes can be hostile if those animals get added.

building skyscraper bases with 32 stories.

[cold river]

Bears and lynx are the actual predators of ky not wolves

[cold river]

Yes there are the black bears

[tender brook]

Black bears aren’t hostile

Unless you like grab their child they just run away

[cold river]

I don't know if they are friedly or not but with bunches of zed trying to eat them I don't think they'll gonna ask for your id so they will probably attack u

[tender brook]

If they run from zeds they would run from you

[orchid wagon]

This blog update was all killer. Hype train is finna derail in Ohio at these speeds

[pastel glacier]

just need some snakes to be added so you would have to watch out for the venomous species.

[stark ermine]

Brother finds hostile creatures in the blissful heaven state of Kentucky utterly incomprehensible 😭😭☠️

[orchid notch]

I'm so waiting for Build 42 to drop

[copper geyser]

Mountain lions, coyotes, boars

Boars are a serious problem in Kentucky

[dusty tangle]

The boar epidemic

[pale mesa]

2 months old character dies to a boar

[woven idol]

they're very much still hostile. Grizzlies are nuts, but even looking at a black bear the wrong way will still get you killed

[pale mesa]

living in the wild might just be worse than living in the city now

[tender brook]

have you ever encountered a black bear before?

[woven idol]

have you?

[tender brook]

many times

[woven idol]

then you should know without training you can seriously fuck up

[tender brook]

if you dont sneak up on them they just will run away

if you just bumped into one in the woods then maybe you would die

but if you just make noises they will run away

[woven idol]

that sounds simple enough, but for an untrained Kentucky resident that's a tall ask, making noise to scare off a massive animal isn't exactly intuitive

[radiant hare]

im digging the new farming mechanics so much

[tender brook]

If you live in an area with native black bears its typically common knowledge

[woven idol]

you would hope, but it rarely is

[cloud knot]

are there gonna be house pets introduced in build 42, like cats and dogs?

i want a reason to keep my playthrough alive by feeding and giving my virtual cat loving

[pine wharf]

i live 20 miles away from that derailment in east palestine

[tender brook]

Rip

[sterile bramble]

Hasn't been confirmed anywhere as far as I know. I hope so, but doubt (that is, my assumption would be that they come later)

[drifting fiber]

They will probably come later. The animals that were going to get first seem to be more domestic farm animals that can tie in with the new crafting stuff (sheep for wool etc)

[pastel glacier]

having chickens lay eggs without a rooster.

[dusty tangle]

Free egg, no chicken

[tender brook]

I hat does this mean

[pastel glacier]

free run chickens in PZ.

[tender brook]

Chickens don’t need roosters to lay eggs

[pastel glacier]

I could imagine how we could catch some chickens or other animals and transport them to our base.

[brisk lichen]

I'm hoping they add farming/livestock trailers with the update, otherwise transporting larger animals than pigs doesn't make much sense

[pastel glacier]

cages to put some chickens in.

[stark ermine]

Game of thrones in project zomboid 😭

[pastel glacier]

dies from a bear when foraging in the woods.

[wary void]

im pretty sure i saw a livestock trailer in a previous blogpost about animals @brisk lichen 😳

[brisk lichen]

Anybody got a source on that, I feel like chicken cages can be made with wire + a plank or two btw

Sheep aren't too massive they couldn't fit in the back of a vehicle, more than like 1-2 is way too much

Livestock trailers aren't too much bigger a difference from what we have now with trailers, but they'd probably require heavy duty parts instead

Another update I think the mechanics side of the game needs is like.. tire patch kits to repair tires.

[sterile bramble]

The source is in #blogs_n_teases somewhere, too lazy to hunt it down myself (but it certainly exists)

[pastel glacier]

if indiestone added some semi trucks we could get some livestock trailers for them

[brisk lichen]

Semi trucks are probably going to need some more work, I think there needs to be a heavier duty grade set of parts for them and the semi-trailer and maybe for other farm equipment

[pastel glacier]

its hard enough to find trailers in PZ since they only spawn on car wrecks and never in driveways of houses.

these livestock trailers could haul more animals.

[brisk lichen]

Yeah I know what you're talking about I live in the Midwest LOL

Oh wait, they're going to have to add diesel if they want to be super accurate. Semi-trucks can't run on gasoline

[brisk lichen]

I didn't know that about trailers, but that makes sense, I was driving past some backroads and saw a trailer on a wreck

[polar stirrup]

What a great blog post

Really looking forward to some of the new QOL items/items that will help our immersion like large fuel storage and more military items

[tender brook]

I mean if they are gonna add big trucks they would be pretty common at factories and warehouses

Relatively common

Now that I think about it why is there no vehicle spawn modifier

[polar stirrup]

There is in the sandbox settings

[brisk lichen]

Well, usual places you find semi trucks, 4-lane highways mostly and probably some like.. shipping centers and factories have a few

It'd be so cool to find an entire trailer of food

Or to find a military convoy that's broken down or has some survivor story where it broke down and they got attacked

[tender brook]

A survivor story where a car crashed into a house or something could be cool

Like a car through the front side of a house

Or like cars with slashed tires and corpses

[brisk lichen]

Do vehicles cause environmental damage at all?

[tender brook]

I don’t think so

Would be cool if they did

Cause cars could definitely fly through fences and walls

[brisk lichen]

You open up the hood and find the brakes are at 0%

[tender brook]

Yeah like stuff like that

[brisk lichen]

I love when viseo games do that when you slam into the smallest thing and it's like a bush apparently made of concrete

[tender brook]

Like this game

Atleast make fences break

And like garage doors too

[brisk lichen]

Fences + windows

They could just give stuff environmental damage and hp, it's not like stuff already can't be broken by axes

[tender brook]

Yeah true

[brisk lichen]

I wish things were breakable with other tools other than sledge, it just takes longer to

[tender brook]

Yeah

You could definitely break down a wooden wall with an axe

[brisk lichen]

Crowbar + hammer would be better, I've done construction and it's more efficient overall just to take things apart piece by piece

[tender brook]

Imagine npc mega car events

Meta*

[brisk lichen]

Zombie apocalypse car insurance

[tender brook]

Like you could hear a crash and a car drove into a tree and the driver died

Or when they add npc they are weak and need help

So you can heal them or just steal the stuff

[brisk lichen]

Yeah I love the meta events when you hear a shot or a scream but it fades so quickly because like.. there's nobody there.

There is a survivor story about survivors on a map asking people to come, and they'd be safe and there's food.

[tender brook]

Yeah

[brisk lichen]

Only.. they are the food.

The game already feels so full of life, npcs will just make it so much better

Like those car breakdowns you find with the car and jack and wheels

[ocean robin]

Lol no. Only domesticated farm animals and wild animals like deer.
Pets will probably have AI comparable to survivor companions.

[ocean robin]

The blog posts have already showcased car-attachable livestock trailers where you can put your livestock into to transport across great distances.

[drifting fiber]

Wondering if that new 3d trick will finally mean we can use the bench press?

[pastel glacier]

building walls around your base to avoid wildlife from eating your crops

[woven idol]

I raise you, shotgun with tripwire

[brisk lichen]

I mean slugs can climb walls.. so chickens are the wey

When you hit a deer on the highway lol

[woven idol]

one hit totals your car

[brisk lichen]

Depends on the size of the vehicle and the age and weight of the deer

[muted knot]

infinite meat source+zombie thraser

[pastel glacier]

infinite pork in PZ with those boar.

[civic linden]

Imagine if they have ecological disasters like horde of wild farm animals roaming and eating the land until it is barren in a few years, making it impossible to grow plants

[ocean robin]

So our only option is to start hunting wild animals to regain control of the animal population?

[civic linden]

Or start raising wolves

[pastel glacier]

hunting some birds

[woven idol]

Time for the return of the bb gun

[stark ermine]

Are they adding deer in build 42?

[pastel glacier]

deer have been shown in a blog post.

[drowsy matrix]

wich blog post was it? i don't remember seeing it, just the farm animals

[pastel glacier]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/04/41-69-unstable-niiice/

[stark ermine]

Ay let's gooooooo

Call me deerlover265 the way I love deer

[pastel glacier]

I loved feeding deer IRL

[civic linden]

So instead of just zombies we now have deer to crash our cars into

[ocean robin]

Mmm, fresh roadkill 🤤

[little lark]

There's a common insecurity in the mapping community right now, and I am struggling as well: is it possible get an info if the basement will only be enterable via stair wide holes or can a mapper create open spaces on (deleted) floor0 ground ( f.e105, 2510, 3020, xy) to show the floor below?

And another thing which currently stops a lot of ideas for my Cyberpunk City:
Does the new lightning system affect tile-built rooms, too? Or just defined building rooms.
If i currently create walls on floor0 out of tiles and make a roof above it or even place a floor/building on it, it is bright as daylight at all times during da, I hope this is affected, too somehow

Does the new lightning shine through single placed (e.g) windows, too, or does it need a worlded placed lot with room-defs right next to it

[glad rune]

Now i have noticed that the light kinda reflects into to the player, is this on the latest build ?

[tender brook]

are there any plans to add elevators?

[gleaming edge]

I hope there are, considering the new 32 level limit, also, how could would it be to go to the sikrit military baiz, go down the elevator to the -31 basement, with elevator music ofc, and when it opens up, like 300 zeds waiting to say hi.

[dusty tangle]

just like dead rising

[gleaming edge]

That moment when you enter the basement to the mall tho...

[ocean robin]

Not any time soon. They haven't even mentioned them.

[split glade]

i feel like knowing myself, ill fucking hate entering the basements lmao

[tender brook]

basements when the power goes out will be sketch af

[drowsy matrix]

good place for jumpscares

[woven idol]

They better add headlamps or a way to duct tape a flashlight to my helmet

[tender brook]

Why is taping a light to your head not a thing already

[woven idol]

That would take a lot of time to make a simple feature is probably the answer. They might be able to leverage B42's crafting system to do it

[sterile imp]

i would be happier if they provided a nappy for shitting myself for these moments

[tender brook]

or just make flashlights equipable as an accessory

like you just hold it between your cheek and shouldert

so you can drop it like headwear

[pastel glacier]

news paper armor against bites

[radiant hare]

im kinda worried about the farming mechanic. let's say you are farming corn and the harvest time is now realistic.
would it take 2 months to harvest corn?

the game isnt that fun to play for two months. specially if you start in a season that you cant grow corn

im worried that people wont even use this mechanic

like usually after two months i have everything under control. i have clean water source and sustainable source of food. also i have a generator ready.

on cdda it might take me more than that

but even ignoring that, most people cant survive for 2 months

[civic linden]

I mean, like most other things they are going to make it adjustable with settings

but their vision is to allow people to play for like, a hundred years post apocalypse

realistic farming and animal growth is just normal for that

I also wonder if they are going to make fishing and foraging harder

longer time to replenish those things as well for example

[radiant hare]

i think they are preparing the game to become adjustable with npcs

in real life you are not supposed to do everything yourself and you cant survive alone

[civic linden]

yeah though NPC is probably gonna be far far away

[sharp peak]

I mean... Currently, we're survivors around literal thousands of zombies. If anyone can survive, it would be us

And the basics of farming etc wouldn't simply be erased by humanity going poof. There are plenty of self sustaining people, it's just rare in the context of today's society

[shy cape]

They are building an end game. If you want to harvest corn in 2 days, adjust this in settings 😄

[little lark]

@viral locust maybe?

[ocean robin]

I'm curious how NPCs and construction will work. Like, if I make an expansion into my base house, how is it ensures that the NPCs understand that this new construct is part of our home? In addition to that, will NPCs be able to expand their own homes?

Because, currently, it's not possible to define custom buildings as faction bases, right?

[drowsy matrix]

they will probably not be able to expand their homes at least in the beginning

npc update will be spread along 3 builds

it is going to be a long term investment

[radiant hare]

yeah my concern is that if the endgame is fun enough.
i like the challenge of managing a farm that will give harvest after 2-6 months. im just worried it wont be fun to play and its just a matter of doing chores all over the place

if the endgame is way too simple compared to early game then yeah it will be boring

and i think adjustable settings is just erasing the problem instead of giving solutions

[shy cape]

I don't agree, the more developers give us possibilities to configure personal taste, the better

[exotic grove]

I agree with you.

Giving players the chance to configure and change some mechanics in the game is way better than "fine tuning" it.

"One man's meat is another man's poison": there will always be someone that wants the farm to grow quick. And there will always be someone that wants the farm to grow slow and in a realistic way.

[drowsy matrix]

hopefully npcs will make late game more interesting

[exotic grove]

I hope so. Encountering NPCs survivors and have to fight for our lives would really improve a lot the Late game.

[drowsy matrix]

may make the game challenging even without infections

[ocean robin]

I just had a thought. What if we made a world with NPCs....but no zombies (meaning 0 zombies on spawn and no respawn).

I'm suddenly interesting in seeing how that simulation would run, more than I am about playing it.

[drowsy matrix]

we will have to wait and see

[ocean robin]

Also, I don't think NPCs are being built for late-game situations yet. Like, I don't think they're gonna have the logic for forming complex factions, or anything like that.

[drowsy matrix]

the npcs updates are going to be spread out over 3 builds

its a long road ahead

[ocean robin]

Yeah, my guess is that faction diplomacy and war won't be implemented until NPC Stage 3

Heck, we might even see interfaction economies become established. Basically we will see the world mold into a post-post-apocalypse worlds: one where the world continues the thrive off of the old one.

[copper geyser]

isnt the point of this build to add more lategame content though?

[ocean robin]

The next few builds, at least. I hope build after NPC stage 1 gets the inside of cars finally modeled

[pale mesa]

if you all are expecting npcs to be fully finished in less than 3 years than you are dreaming

[ocean robin]

Let's say, theoretically, a new build out every, let's say, year and a half. And let's assume Build 42 drops for public build in....let's say late Q4 2023 to Q1 2024. Then NPCs Part 3 comes out in....7-8 years?!

Speaking in terms of Public Builds, though.

[pale mesa]

i mean idk abt you but in the way that im thinking (npcs act just like humans, extremely chaotic, perfect ai) its gonna take hella years
the potential is infinite and i cannot express how many possibilities there are

[radiant hare]

i think you misunderstood
i never said more option = bad
im saying if problem is not enough endgame content, customizing the settings isnt a good solution

if a solution at all

[radiant hare]

yeah it is but im concerned there wont be enough endgame content

my whole concern is that you never want to play the game realistically which is the trademark of this game because its not fun.

it might be a baseless concern

but its just because i love this game

[shy cape]

there will be enough final content yes, you can be sure

[drowsy matrix]

i don't expect it to be fast, but the devs probably have a good idea of what their npcs are going to be already

[pale mesa]

i wish to see random survivor npcs driving cars 😈

[drowsy matrix]

they showed a video some time ago of npcs driving

[pale mesa]

was that before build 41

question mark

[ocean robin]

You haven't been keeping up with the Thursdoids, have you?

@pale mesa https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/03/the-zuckerverse/

[pale mesa]

guh..

[ocean robin]

Was that a grunt of disapproval, a gasp of disbelief, or a moan of raw pleasure?

[pale mesa]

a sign of disappointment in myself for not reading that blog

[small scroll]

big problem spotted in this, *"ruh-ro raggy"

this correction needs to be made

[tender brook]

What’s wrong with it

[ocean robin]

Ffs man. Just scroll down and you get this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMTsmVoLO7g

@pale mesa

[pale mesa]

cant wait to lose my 1 month character to a drunk truck driver

[ocean robin]

Imagine surviving the literal apocalypse only to become a victim of drunk driving

Speaking of which, does getting drunk actually make your steering worse?

[pastel glacier]

the old vehicle sound effects before soundworks update came out.

[drowsy matrix]

yes, it delays the car controls

the higher your drunkness the longer your delay

[fiery prawn]

As an irl fisherman im really happy to see walleye, smallmouth, and perch. But why isnt there any pike shown in this progress report i really hope they arent removed in this build.

[ocean robin]

They said that they want to make the fish varieties more realistic to actual Knox County.

Like, they purportedly consulted actual fishers from the area.

[split glade]

Is it bad I don't really care too much for NPC's? I don't know why but I have this weird feeling it just wont be that good...? maybe im just antisocial, even ingame lol

[fiery prawn]

oh well indie devs always mess up games, rockstar are the only ones that know how to do it add everything.

[ocean robin]

Well, we're getting a crafting tree so complex that your character will get to spend years honing their skills to master.

[fiery prawn]

But no matter what they add it will always be a 2d game and will never have things like sunsets, cliffs, mountains, digging , caves.

[ocean robin]

I mean, there are definite limitations with the engine they made. Like the isometric camera prevents us from seeing a sunset (unless if they make it so that the water and car windows actually "reflect" a dynamic "sky"). Also, they do want to implement varying elevation on the world map, but they definitely don't want to implement mining. Also, the location isn't mountainous, so yeah, no mountains or cliffs, thus implementing them isn't a developer priority.

[prisma summit]

is there any estimate when this update will be released

[sterile bramble]

Believe it or not, in ten minutes

[shy cape]

?????

[sterile bramble]

One more minute

Huh. It hasn't released. I guess I was lying on the internet for fun

[shy cape]

it should be forbidden to use discord under the influence of drugs

[sterile bramble]

There's no estimate for when it'll be released as far as I know

[sterile bramble]

Wrong!

[ocean robin]

Build 42, which, just so we're clear, will NOT contain human NPCs, is speculated to drop on the Unstable Beta branch sometime this year. Mostly likely this Summer. I'm betting early Summer, or maybe even late Spring.

[pastel glacier]

animals are the first form of NPC

[hoary smelt]

Think more body shapes/variation will be implemented when human NPCs start to come around? Have they talked about this in blogs ever? Also things like missing limbs on zeds or players

[pastel glacier]

dismemberment would be nice to have on zombies.

[stark ermine]

My brother just wants project zomboid to be Minecraft 😭💀

[ocean robin]

It's definitely something they have planned. They just need to make sure the outfits change and warp according to your character's weight.

[hoary smelt]

Ah right, theyve been working with that trying to make sure clothing looks right and doesnt visually clip into the player or other clothing

[stuck pike]

i cant remember the exact words or thursdoid, but TIS were well aware of the fact that if they added animal ai by itself modders would just reverse engineer human npcs. they wanted to release them at the same time (in a rudimentary version at the least for humans) but idk if theyre sticking to that or i misremember it

[limber prawn]

Good memory, actually.

This was revised a bit after.

The blog you're referencing:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

The one where we backtracked on that and made the point that 42 will have basic farming animals which code will be unrelated to the rest of the NPC code:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/02/holy-cow/

[stuck pike]

ah, thanks for the correction. its unfortunate to hear, but at least progress is being made. personally looking forward to the crafting/profession overhaul to give the late game something to look forward to.

[ocean robin]

Yeah, basically, they had to add animals in the crafting overhaul because everything needed leather and wool and stuff.

[gleaming edge]

Whatever happens with the NPC's, i just hope we have factions, something like "The Responders" from Fallout 76 would be so cool, as in thematic groups (which would make sense since a lot of them would know each other from before the Knox Event).

Thansk for the great work on the updates! Really excited to see the upcoming changes

[gleaming edge]

I need me some blacksmithing and tailoring to be happy during the endtimes

[drowsy matrix]

we will have factions

but not in the first update

[ocean robin]

Currently, we have no idea what TIS plan for NPC factions. But I have a hunch that, if NPCs have well-developed personalities, then the faction behavior will be driven by the majority of the personalities. Like, if you have a faction full of mean, selfish people, then they'll be more inclined to raid. If you have mostly nice, virtuous people, then they'll go out of their way to help people.
Or maybe faction behavior will be more driven by a ruling structure which is set by member personalities.

[sterile bramble]

We've reached the "update when" stage. How exciting

[polar stirrup]

As hyped as I am for this update, I hope that they take their time and make the process fun but challenging. On the other hand though, I hope that they don’t take forever to push out something to the beta branch

[pastel glacier]

farm animals will make this game much better.

[shy cape]

Atleast its good to know that they are pretty far with the NPC update.

[shy cape]

bro its been

so long since last update

will there be a thursdoid today tho?

[trail raptor]

Maybe

[drowsy matrix]

i wouldn't count on it