pzwiki_editing

[digital helm]

.wiki knife (disambiguation)

[timid jackal]

@digital helm I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[digital helm]

?

.wiki Butter Knife

[timid jackal]

@digital helm I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[digital helm]

.item Butter_Knife

[timid jackal]

@digital helm I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[digital helm]

@spark portal any clue why this is happening?

[frail fossil]

.item Butter Knife

🤔

[timid jackal]

@frail fossil https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Butter_Knife

[frail fossil]

works fine

LOL

[digital helm]

interesting 🤔

[glacial trout]

hockey stick exists as an item entry but will not spawn, I don't know if you'd bother adding it to the wiki

corkscrew was in the same category until recently, but now it spawns in pizza whirled or bars I guess

[glacial trout]

.item Hockey Stick

[timid jackal]

@glacial trout I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[glacial trout]

.item Corkscrew

[timid jackal]

@glacial trout I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[frail fossil]

@broken olive Even so the fuel consumption of the generators are pretty unsteady (from 1%/2h to 1%/day) with the same setting (0.2).
Fuel consumption depends on load. More electrical stuff in range - faster fuel consumption.

[glacial trout]

.item Propane Tank

.item Propane Tank

[timid jackal]

@glacial trout I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[glacial trout]

.item Propane

[timid jackal]

@glacial trout I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[buoyant swift]

.item potato

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[vital raptor]

.item empty propane tank

[timid jackal]

@vital raptor I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[vital raptor]

odd

http://undeniable.info/pz/wiki/item.php?Name=HCPropanetankempty

[buoyant swift]

undeniable wiki seems to hate ad blocker.

[frail fossil]

It works with uBlock though

[spark portal]

If you do cmd from here, it searches pz wiki, not the undeniable.info item/craft wiki

By from here, I mean this channel

[vital raptor]

ahh I forgot about that

[cold compass]

.item trapping

[timid jackal]

@cold compass https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trapping

[glacial trout]

wiki is missing pot of rice and pot of pasta in "completed meals"

[native raft]

I dont believe its a completed meal. It is however in the recipes page

[glacial trout]

that category includes all "evolved recipes" that allow for a variety of ingredients, except these 2

Dog Chew Toy can be found in cars.... kinda common actually, so it should be moved

[digital helm]

added rice and pasta to completed meals, and moved dog chew toy

[buoyant swift]

nice

[hot portal]

i mean

while cooked pasta and rice is nutritional when cooked

its not very enjoyable to eat by itself

[buoyant swift]

I notice the wiki has a habbit of random auto logout in the middle of editing a page.

[digital helm]

@buoyant swift can't say I've ever experienced that. So does it remove any edits you've been working on?

[buoyant swift]

I just get a message that says "you dont have permission to edit this page" due to random log outs. Luck fully I just change web browser.

My edits wont show up if the auto log out bug happens.

[native raft]

This is why i write stuff in notepad++ first

[digital helm]

I tend to take a look at other wikis to see how we can improve our own wiki, so far I've taken influence from Minecraft wikis, Stardew Valley, Banished and many more. Recently I've been looking at the Fallout: New Vegas wiki (https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas), which is where I got the idea to display the item model in the infobox (https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fire_axe_(Fallout:_New_Vegas) = https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Axe), which will increase across the wiki once build 41 is released.

So with that said, one thing the New Vegas/Fallout wiki does is lists items over an entire page, similar to our Items page (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items), except with each page being a different category, such as Weapons (https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_weapons), Food (https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_consumables), Clothing (https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_armor_and_clothing), etc.

The "Items" page is our most visited page, making this a massive change for the wiki, so I'm asking for anyone's opinion on this change.

Examples of this can already be seen on the Skill Books (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Skill_Books) and Recipe Magazines (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_Magazines) pages.

[frail fossil]

oh boi the stardew valley wiki was very uh

EHH

[digital helm]

.wiki Television

[timid jackal]

@digital helm I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[digital helm]

.item Television

[timid jackal]

@digital helm I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[digital helm]

I don't think he likes me

[echo herald]

SpiffoBot is alive. Praise the sky.

.item Shovel

[timid jackal]

@echo herald I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[echo herald]

Ok.

He doesn't like me too.

Is that because I put you in the oven?

[digital helm]

probably

[frail fossil]

.item shovel

[timid jackal]

@frail fossil I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[digital helm]

.item spiffo

[timid jackal]

@digital helm I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[frail fossil]

I think Spiffo uses the wrong wiki

[digital helm]

#346332179481100289 works fine

Anyway, came here to say I finally got around to adding a page for Television https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Television

[echo herald]

Damn I wish I had a working PC to help with the wiki. I'd have done at least something useful in my Life. :)

[frail fossil]

.item Television

[timid jackal]

@frail fossil I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[frail fossil]

Works fine ig

🤔

[digital helm]

does that happen when you click edit?

[frail fossil]

Uh its when I click the link you send

When I use the search function on the wiki too

Yeah seems to be related to the new television article. All other articles work just fine

[digital helm]

ah that's good then. Probably just taking some time to save to the servers

Also made this page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapon_mods

see if that one works @frail fossil

[frail fossil]

works

[digital helm]

good to know

[buoyant swift]

interesting

[buoyant swift]

.item rabbit

[buoyant swift]

.item cookies

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[buoyant swift]

.item weapons

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[buoyant swift]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[buoyant swift]

.item pistol

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pistol

[spark portal]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[spark portal]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[spark portal]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[spark portal]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[spark portal]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for.

[spark portal]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[spark portal]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@spark portal https://pzwiki.net/wiki/shotgun

[spark portal]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@spark portal https://pzwiki.net/wiki/shotgun/

[spark portal]

.item apple

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[spark portal]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/shotgun (is forbidden)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/apple/ (is forbidden)

@digital helm
you dont have much consistency with your URL format. sometimes it needs a trailing forward slash and sometimes it does not. Url does not redirect but is forbidden if you get it wrong

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/shotgun/ (is ok) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/apple (is ok)

.item apple

[timid jackal]

@spark portal https://pzwiki.net/wiki/apple

[spark portal]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@spark portal https://pzwiki.net/wiki/shotgun/

[spark portal]

.item Television

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[spark portal]

.wiki weapon mods

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[spark portal]

.wiki weapon mods

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[spark portal]

.wiki weapon mods

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[spark portal]

.wiki weapon mods

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:404)

[digital helm]

@spark portal weird... for me https://pzwiki.net/wiki/shotgun is fine, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/shotgun/ creates a new subpage of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/shotgun

[spark portal]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@spark portal https://pzwiki.net/wiki/shotgun

[spark portal]

i didn't notice it was making blank pages with trailing slashes, I just saw it did not return error code

.wiki weapon mods

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:404)

[spark portal]

@digital helm
whats up with your weapon mods page?

it doesnt even work from the wiki page itself it seems

[digital helm]

I'm not too sure what's going on with it. Someone was having a problem with it before. My best guess is for whatever reason it isn't applying the https scheme automatically, instead using http which is giving 403 Forbidden

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapon_mods (works) http://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapon_mods (don't work)

@restive adder hate to hassle you, but I've got no idea with this stuff

[spark portal]

.wiki weapon mods

[timid jackal]

@spark portal https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapon_mods

[spark portal]

da faak, now it suddenly works

[digital helm]

I've noticed some weird stuff with the wiki, a lot of the time I have to manually put in "https"

[spark portal]

well it appears you can browse the wiki with http just fine at the moment.
but anyway you could and perhaps should redirect http to https globally via a rewrite rule in your .htaccess, I could do that for you if someone who has like ftp credentials to actually edit that file will help

[buoyant swift]

.item stick trap

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[restive adder]

It should already be redirecting https

I’m so not safe to work on servers right now, remind me on the weekend or next week and I should be better able to look at it then

[spark portal]

well, its not doing that right now:

[keen gorge]

What is the TV program schedule for Exposure Survival?, like which day which skill program is airing? I got Farming-Fishing-Foraging-Trapping-Foraging order, and carpentry one night

[buoyant swift]

there is farming

[buoyant swift]

.item pop

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[daring forge]

.item Milk

[timid jackal]

@daring forge I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[royal kelp]

what articles currently need work?

[digital helm]

@royal kelp here you'll find articles that need attention https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance

particularly stub articles https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Articles_in_need_of_improvement and those needing improvement https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Articles_in_need_of_improvement

[royal kelp]

Thanks @digital helm

[glacial trout]

the paint page says there is a light grey paint color but that is incorrect

[digital helm]

Finally started working through this list of locations https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/24508-favourite-locations-in-project-zomboid/
Got the framework done with Muldraugh mostly completed, at least for the time being https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Muldraugh,_KY

[somber garden]

hot

[digital helm]

I've been looking at redesigning the main page of the wiki. The current one doesn't 'feel' zomboid enough and isn't particularly useful with a lot of the features/links being useless. So I've come up with a new design (taking influence from a lot of wikis). I'll be grateful for any feedback 😃

Here's the current one for reference

[echo herald]

That looks lit.

Though I think text should be a little bigger.

[digital helm]

the sizes will certainly need some work, something that'll be figured out once it actually gets into code

it's just a concept image for now

[echo herald]

I really like the "Items" page icon lol.

[somber garden]

Looks hot

[digital helm]

yeah... that one is pretty bad haha

[frail fossil]

first view, it looks badass

good job

[glacial trout]

It looks like a huge improvement

[royal kelp]

I am not a giant fan of the black and red imposed on a white background

The main site's comic book look would be great for the wiki

[lusty mantle]

Yeah, I like the design, but the colouring I think clashes too much with the wiki white. Coupled with the fact I feel the colouring also decreases readability.

[old temple]

Pz wiki site is off?

Cannot open

[supple garnet]

wiki is dead

[old temple]

Why?

[buoyant swift]

its must be some server issues on the wiki.

[buoyant swift]

wiki still down

[amber falcon]

Is wiki still down?

[royal kelp]

yep

[ripe quiver]

Is it up yet?

[digital helm]

@restive adder wiki is down

[restive adder]

@digital helm yeah, Lemmy forgot to pay the domain renewal. Should be back in the next 24-48 hours

[royal kelp]

.item pistol

[timid jackal]

@royal kelp I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[digital helm]

Here's a quick adjustment of colours. Black text on light background is a lot easier to read, although the colour choice isn't final. Feedback?

I'll get around to putting it into a sandbox on the wiki and send it your way for critiquing @lusty mantle

[lusty mantle]

I like that colouring a lot more.

[royal kelp]

the text needs to be enlargened a tad

i really like the porthole design of the top header

[somber garden]

[buoyant swift]

that looks cool that new font and template design

[echo herald]

Wiki lives!

IT LIVES!

[magic peak]

YAY!

[royal kelp]

.joke 1

[timid jackal]

When do zombies go to sleep?

[royal kelp]

.joke 2

[timid jackal]

When they are dead tired.

Why did the zombie ignore all his Facebook friends?

He was still DIGESTING all of his followers on Twitter!

[royal kelp]

.joke 3

[timid jackal]

Did you hear about the big zombie party?

It was DEAD & full of STIFFS!

[royal kelp]

well okay

[hardy wedge]

@royal kelp did you hear about the zombie who was late to a dinner party? he got a cold shoulder

[somber garden]

wrong channel

[royal kelp]

lol

[frail fossil]

I'll simplify my question. Are all the classes listed here (https://projectzomboid.com/modding/) accessible from Lua? I'm new to modding PZ and I just want to know what stuff is accessible while looking through the docs.

No love for the noobie or just late to the party?

[mint leaf]

some of those classes are exposed to lua. the online documenation for the java side is very outdated

[frail fossil]

Okay thanks for the tip. I'll just mess around and see what works and what gives me issues. 😃

[mint leaf]

better off using a java decompiler and taking a look at zombie/Lua/LuaManager.class

all the exposed stuff is in there

[royal kelp]

.joke 5

[timid jackal]

Why did the zombie go to the dentist?

To improve his BITE!

[frail fossil]

@mint leaf Thanks that's super helpful!

[spark portal]

Ef

[candid sparrow]

guys i have a question me and a friend of mine are playing in a server and we have been playing for a couple of in-game weeks and we noticed that loot didn't respawn we tried to see and mess around with the settings but nothing seemed to work any idea how to do it ?

[somber garden]

That's something for #pz_b42_chat. I'd bring it up there.

[signal bough]

.joke

[timid jackal]

What is a zombies favorite game?

Bite and Eat.

[digital pike]

men

[oak robin]

men

[frail fossil]

men

[frail fossil]

men?

Women

.joke

[timid jackal]

What's a zombies favorite bean?

[frail fossil]

wh

[timid jackal]

A human bean.

[frail fossil]

my fucking god

lol that was almost gooooooood

im literally cringing at this point 🙃

[royal creek]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Why did the zombie go to the hospital?

He wanted to learn some SICK jokes!

[frank cargo]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Why do zombies only date intelligent women?

They just love a woman with BRAAAINS!

[buoyant swift]

.item hammer

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[buoyant swift]

.item cherry

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[buoyant swift]

.item kitchen knife

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[buoyant swift]

this wiki bot is broken

[digital helm]

#346332179481100289

"Channel for talking about the official community wiki https://pzwiki.net/"

[spark portal]

403 means "Forbidden" its that same problem with we have pointed out a number of times

[digital helm]

I was more aiming towards all the joke commands

@buoyant swift those commands should be working fine for the undeniable wiki, they just need to be done in #346332179481100289

in this channel it searches the pzwiki, which is borked

[spark portal]

.item cherry

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I could not find the page on the wiki you are looking for. (Result Code:403)

[spark portal]

.item cherry

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I found a page but was unable to open it: Forbidden. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cherry

[spark portal]

i changed it to show the link when it returns forbidden. so hopfully whoever is in charge of your wiki can see a pattern as to what is wrong

[digital helm]

Thanks Nolan, I'll keep an eye out

[spark portal]

seems like more of a server side issue though.

are you able to change the URL of a page through mediawiki page editor?

like can you change :
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cherry
to
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cherry2

.item hammer

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I found a page but was unable to open it: Forbidden. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hammer

[spark portal]

.item kitchen knife

[timid jackal]

@spark portal https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Kitchen_knife

[spark portal]

.item hammer

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I found a page but was unable to open it: Forbidden. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hammer

[spark portal]

.item pistol

[timid jackal]

@spark portal https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pistol

[spark portal]

.item hammer

[timid jackal]

@spark portal https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hammer

[buoyant swift]

.item shotgun

[modest ginkgo]

.item book

Fuq

[spark portal]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@spark portal I found a page but was unable to open it: Forbidden. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Shotgun

[glacial trout]

wuuut?

[vague sequoia]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Why was the zombie’s nightclub a disaster?

The living turn up and beat and stomped on the zombie’s heads!

[vague sequoia]

.joke

[timid jackal]

What did the zombie call his new dating handbook?

“DYING To Meet You!”

[vague sequoia]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Who won the zombie war?

Nobody, it was a DEAD tie!

[vague sequoia]

frick

.joke

[digital helm]

@vague sequoia could you please use the .joke command in #346332179481100289

I've got the basics of the new main page done in a sandbox. I'd appreciate any feedback on how it looks overall, especially if you use a monitor that isn't 1920x1080. A screenshot would also be great. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_2 🙂

[frail fossil]

looks neat in my opinion

1280x1024

[digital helm]

thanks heaps @frail fossil do the font sizes seem okay for you?

[frail fossil]

yes looks all normal and snugly

[vague sequoia]

Sorry

[buoyant swift]

nice fonts

[coarse robin]

1366x768

[ripe quiver]

.joke

[timid jackal]

What did the Zombie say to the the last living woman?

You know how hard it has been looking for a woman with any brains around here!

[ripe quiver]

Good one Spiffo

Is the wiki still down?

[digital helm]

No, wiki is fine

.wiki literature

[timid jackal]

@digital helm I found a page but was unable to open it: Forbidden. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Literature

[digital helm]

I mean, it has its issues...

[lusty mantle]

Been out of the loop on Discord for a bit, but @digital helm All the stuff looks really bloody rad.

Also 1440p monitor and the redesign of home looks good.

[digital helm]

thanks mate

I'll be writing some documentation for you Kirrus and nasKo on how to update things like the news and current version, in case I ever go mia for whatever reason

[buoyant swift]

I hope that image will be featured in the main area of the wiki

[digital helm]

you mean this one @buoyant swift

That's already a potential featured screenshot on the current main page

[buoyant swift]

not that one but the image showing in the "user sandbox 2"https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473467044050894858/572049779798835200/Screenshot_30.png?width=1328&height=677

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_2

[digital helm]

that's the plan

[buoyant swift]

nice

that new wiki design page is going to look much better

[digital helm]

I don't think the current one seems very 'Project Zomboid'

[buoyant swift]

have you thought about a dark theme for the PZ wiki?

[digital helm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/473467044050894858/563397226412507162/Main_Page.png?width=568&height=677 this was my original design

but being all dark, is too much

especially with the white background

[coarse robin]

black is too much, unless the background changes, I suggest grey for a more "dark-ey" visual without it bleeding your eyes on the White background

something like this? I did it on paint, just to see how it'd look, can it be made gradient? would look even better to have the colo fades to White in the edges

[digital helm]

The gradient is possible, but it's a lot of work just to see if it looks okay. I'm also not a big fan of the grey. Since the design and technical code is pretty much complete, I'm just thinking entire colour swaps are all I'm open for doing

[lusty mantle]

Leave it as it is, the current colouring more closely matches the subreddit and website.

Grey and such is just too dark for such a white page.

[digital helm]

This one's for the lore enthusiasts https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Event

[frail fossil]

nice

[vestal sun]

How do ya back up a save again? Been a long while since I have last played

[digital helm]

@vestal sun saves are stored in %USERPROFILE%\Zomboid\Saves on windows

[vestal sun]

Aight, ty

[digital helm]

The wiki has finally changed the name of Knox County to Knox Country. Knox County will now take you to the original map, prior to the release on Steam in 2013. So please, if you see anyone asking "what happened to the page", tell them it's been moved to Knox Country: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Country
There is a notice at the top, but people tend to not read those. Thanks 😀

[vestal sun]

Is there a way to limit the speed of a vehicle?

[serene cave]

You can set it to 0 mph by taking out the key

[digital helm]

lol

you mean like cruise control?

There isn't, though it's been requested a lot

[frail fossil]

@vestal sun there is the trait sundaydriver, which limits the speed (depends on the type of car) to ~30mph

[digital helm]

The high traffic 'Items' page is going to be getting a major renovation. Rather than having all the items listed on a single page, there will be buttons at the top of the page linking to a list of items for a particular category.

This had to be done because with the amount of new clothing and weapons being added will have a major effect on slowing down loading this page. Also, for the future of translation, the amount of templates being loaded will also cause the server to timeout before the page is loaded. As well, I think it helps a lot with navigation.

Current items page: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items
WIP items page: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox

[vestal sun]

Question. Does the amount of things in your vehicle (weight wise) make the vehicle slower? I feel as if it does but I aint sure

[glacial trout]

the WIP looks very good in my opinion, better than having everything in one page. But maybe we should use game categories too? Like literature as a separate category

[frail fossil]

Its a head with hair

[digital helm]

Literature will be its own page, I just didn't have time to do them all

[frail fossil]

more of an orc

[digital helm]

It's clearly a hand holding a basketball

[frail fossil]

I see it as an orc with hair

from far

if i close in it looks like hand with basketball

as you said

[glacial trout]

what? that tiny icon of master jedi plo-koon's head?

[frail fossil]

oh SHIT

YOU´RE RIGHT

[obtuse field]

I like the items page design! Nice

[echo herald]

What the hell is going on with the user creation log?

Is that some kind of attack or something?

[digital helm]

Seems to be, I've managed to stop the page creating link spamming

But the mass IP/user block? Not so easy to do from my end

@lusty mantle @restive adder

Ignore VaileasysBot in the recent changes. That's just me doing some clean up

[restive adder]

the extentsion we used to use died

no fast way to do it afaik now 😦

You can mass delete new pages

but not mass block users

[digital helm]

I've added a new community news entry https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_News

Also made more progress on the new Items page, although it's still WIP. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/Clothing

feedback welcome 🙂

[frail fossil]

looks good to me

Tho im not sure if welding masks would give any insulation 🤔

[modest ginkgo]

why can't we wear socks and underwear!!!

[buoyant swift]

not sure yet but I think in Animations it will happen

[royal creek]

I know socks will be a clothing option but I doubt we'll be able to do nudity or whatever. Idk tho

I could be wrong lol we could end up with sims pixels or something. Or a option like in rust

[hidden wind]

I can understand 3d games

But why the fuck do people mod in nude mods for a isometric 2d game what the fuck

[shadow remnant]

as the internet has taught me: people just wanna see tiddies and don't care what form it comes in

[ruby flame]

It's highly likely that animations will force underwear,
Meaning it's highly likely there will be a body retexture to make them truly nude, and underwear added back as an actual clothing item.

I for one would use these mods, not because I want to 'see tiddies' - but because of the level of 'realism' it brings with it.
Particularly in a game as 'hardcore'/unforgiving as PZ.

I'm sure I've seen that clothing gets dirty over time, and needs to be washed. Of all your garments to wash, your underwear should be the most important - I'd rather have to take care of that too (realism) - than have it permanently 'painted' on my skin.

[hidden wind]

I accept people who use nude mods

I would be a hypocrite if I didn’t

But don’t try to sell it as something other than a sexual want

[cold tiger]

this also gives new first aid skill tasks

"zombie bit your dick off"

and new recipes

"sock + twigs + bandage -> dick prosthesis"

[serene cave]

Twigs? I think you mean log.

[cold tiger]

I was modest 😉

it's not a real-life simulator after all 😄

[ruby flame]

@hidden wind but it is legitimately 100% not a sexual want, at least for me. I want it because it makes sense to me as a game mechanic, to need to wash all your clothes, which includes underwear.
As a straight male, staring at my characters pixelated naked body, or any for that matter, gives me nothing.

[serene cave]

I-I swear bro its just for lore reasons, I dont even get a boner from pixelated titties!

[echo herald]

We can have Sims-like censoring for tiddies. ;)

[ruby flame]

Exactly. I'm just arguing the case of underwear that is not painted on the skin, as it is in so many other games.

It's astonishing sometimes how immature people can be on such a topic

[echo herald]

I'd really want to wear Underwear with lil hearts on it.

Something like CJ worn lmao.

[digital helm]

Finished changes to the items page. It's been completely redone; being separated into different categories/pages to improve load times, especially with the upcoming update adding 100s of new items.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items

[buoyant swift]

noice

[digital helm]

Something similar will be done with crafting recipes. Since adding them all into a single page can often take a while to load. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:RecipeLookup

[frail fossil]

thanks @mortal shuttle all your work shall be appreciated!

[digital helm]

thanks mate

[buoyant swift]

alot of people are joining the wiki not sure if there here to help or possibly might be some spammers

[digital helm]

Yeah, they're spam bots. I've managed to filter them out to stop editing pages, but there's not much we can do to stop new accounts being created

[buoyant swift]

have you tried IP banning?

[digital helm]

from my understanding it's a botnet, therefore coming from various IP addresses. There's no mass IP ban, as well, there's a seemingly infinite amount of IPs

https://discordapp.com/channels/136501320340209664/473467044050894858/576811479945183251

[buoyant swift]

also those VPN services would kinda make IP banning useless

[shell helm]

added some info for noisemaker but if somebody wants to pretty it up go ahead

[digital helm]

Thank you for the contribution :)

[shell helm]

it was bugging me trying to figure that out

[digital helm]

@shell helm we have a guide to creating a new page for future reference https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Editing_for_beginners#Creating a new page

[digital helm]

That's human error for ya

[glacial trout]

You found the secret.... now you must die

[shell helm]

https://tenor.com/zbm2.gif

[digital helm]

New crafting page/subpages, presented similarly to the Items page/subpages

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crafting

[digital helm]

I've started using Trello to keep track of what I'm doing and what still needs to be done on the wiki. I've made it public and allowed anyone with a Trello account can leave a comment. For anyone that may be interested this could be a good way to see what needs to be added/improved. If you'd like to join the board and edit, either ping or pm me.
https://trello.com/b/1VgjuqGB/pzwiki

[buoyant swift]

.item shotgun

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Shotgun

[vestal wigeon]

Found desktop computers in the game... No device options what are they for?

[digital helm]

@vestal wigeon https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Furniture#Electronics
Not used for anything except dismantling for electronics

[vestal wigeon]

Well that was alot of weight for some scrap parts XD going to use the for decorations then

[restive adder]

@digital helm On the upside, the wiki spam should calm down now a bit more

@digital helm on the downside, the false-positives will start again prolly 😦

[buoyant swift]

damn

[digital helm]

Ah well, I guess we'll see how it goes

[restive adder]

Turns out muppet <--- here forgot to pay the antispam service bill 🙄

[digital helm]

Silly billy, at least that's sorted then 😀

[digital helm]

@humble tapir any type of feedback or questions regarding the wiki can be asked here 🙂

[humble tapir]

k thanks..

[heady roost]

hEY evryone, I'm new here

[spark portal]

noob

[azure geyser]

noob

[kind crescent]

n00b

[tiny void]

”noob” intensifies

[frail fossil]

noob, using leather armour

[thick otter]

What the fuck

what a nice way to greet someone new

[serene cave]

thats something a newb would say

[calm mesa]

noob

[opaque surge]

boob

[azure geyser]

He gotta learn one way or another

To be stronger

[low sky]

Wikis broke :/

Im not logged in.

[digital helm]

@low sky is it working now? Seems good for me now

[quick fern]

.joke

[timid jackal]

When do zombies go to sleep?

When they are dead tired.

[feral haven]

.joke

[timid jackal]

How do you know if you are dealing with a smart zombie?

They are wearing helmets!

[feral haven]

xD

[echo herald]

.joke

[timid jackal]

What would "The Walking Dead" be called if it was written by George Lucas?

Stab Wars.

[feral haven]

xD

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

How do zombies tell their future?

With their HORRORscope!

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

What is a zombie's favorite sauce with brainz?

GRAVE-Y

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

What would a monster's psychiatrist be called?

Shrinkenstein...

[raw spade]

r/woosh me I don’t get it.

.joke

[timid jackal]

What does a Zombie call Chinese people?

Take Out

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Who won World War Z?

Nobody, it was a DEAD tie!

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Why did the zombie stop teaching?

He crossed his PUPILs!

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Why was the zombie’s nightclub a disaster?

The living turn up and beat and stomped on the zombie’s heads!

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Why did the zombie ignore all his new Facebook friends?

He was still DIGESTING all of his followers on Twitter!

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

What is the safest place to be in a zombie apocalypse?

The living room.

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Why is the zombie going to need an organ donor?

Because his LIVER doesn't work anymore!

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

What did the zombie say after he found his girlfriend cheating on him?

You're DEAD to me!

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

What did everyone say about the big zombie party?

It was dead event & full of stiffs!

[raw spade]

.joke

[timid jackal]

What did the zombie do after he dumped his girlfriend?

He wiped his behind!

[raw spade]

Ew gross lmao

.joke

.joke

[timid jackal]

Did you hear about the zombie who was expelled from school?

He kept BUTTERING up his teacher!

[raw spade]

Alright I’m done

Ty spiffobot

[digital helm]

oh boy... spiffobot lives here #346332179481100289

[timid jackal]

Someone called me? Yes I'm here.

[digital helm]

I know you are pats

[opaque surge]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Do zombies eat popcorn with their fingers?

No, they eat the fingers separately…

[opaque surge]

.joke

[timid jackal]

What has a dog's head, a cat's tail & brains all over its face?

A zombie LEAVING the PET STORE!

[opaque surge]

.joke

[timid jackal]

How do zombies tell their future?

With their HORRORscope!

[opaque surge]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Why is the Walking Dead so dumb?

Because the zombies ate all the characters brains.

[opaque surge]

.joke

[timid jackal]

Why does a cemetery have to keep a fence around it?

Because people are dying to get in.

[quick fern]

.joke

[quick fern]

.joke

;~;

[echo herald]

.joke

[hexed barn]

can someone explain to me how exactly the trick works where you put a rain collector barrel over a sink

i know that it needs to be one floor above the sink and not directly over the sink but offset

but how far?

and does it matter which direction it's offset

[echo herald]

One tile away in any direction.

Then RMB the sink and it should offer you to plumb the sink.

Not sure if wrench is needed, but you might as well take it.

[hexed barn]

ok, and how does the stored water work? is it like this: first it fills up the sink, and when the sink is full of water, the remaining goes into the collector barrels until you use the water from the sink

then the stored water from collector barrels go into the sink again

[echo herald]

No, it's stored in the Barrel.

The water also automatically becomes clean, which is pretty useful.

[static horizon]

That’s neat, I had no idea this was a thing

[echo herald]

I hope devs will add some filtration system later. :P

[hexed barn]

weird

I have two rain collector barrels connected to my sink

both at 1% water

but when I fill a watering can at the sink, then pour the water on the ground

i am able to do it over and over and over

without running out of water

even though the barrels have 1% and they dont go out

[echo herald]

I'm not sure if barrels restore Sink's capacity tbh.

[hexed barn]

apparently i just have unlimited water... even when I collect water from the barrel and pour it out constantly, it stays at 1% water in the barrel

[ruby flame]

Yeah, but when you're collecting, I doubt you're getting a full bottle/watering can/etc

[hexed barn]

i filled until it was full, then poured on the ground

[wintry sleet]

Oh wait wrong channel

[whole galleon]

i cant seem to find a chart or any information on the wiki for how much a freezer effects food going rotten or losing the 'fresh' name

[hexed barn]

Can someone clarify what paint and plaster do? Wiki and Google shows 50 mixed answers. Some say they do nothing. Some say plaster adds to wall hp. Some say painted walls don't attract zombies so they will focus on doors and barricades. Some say plastered walls are not destructible by zombies. Which is it?

[digital helm]

ahh... I don't know about all that. I was under the impression plaster/paint was purely cosmetic

as for freezers, I can't remember the exact amount, but I know it's significant (almost to the point of not aging). I'll look into adding something for it

[keen acorn]

I noticed that some older pages have a "history" section, but it's not included in the current template and I assume this is intentional. Does this mean it should be removed when upgrading a page?

[digital helm]

yeah, if you're updating a page, you can remove that. Since it hasn't been kept track of it is far too much work to update for such a small community

[keen acorn]

cool, thanks

[digital helm]

any other questions, feel free to ping me @keen acorn

[keen acorn]

@digital helm , for an item that can be repaired, should we include the repair code for an item? As per this example: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Baseball_Bat

[digital helm]

eh, only if you want to. The whole code section isn't really necessary imo

but yeah, the Baseball Bat page is the ideal format for weapons

*apart from the distribution section, bullet points are fine with that

[keen acorn]

yeah, that's quite an interesting section. I assume 4 rolls of chance 2, means it's more likely than 2 rolls of chance 2?

so when looking through the code, just point out the places where it's most likely they the item will be found?

[digital helm]

pretty much. You can add that "there's a low chance to find it blah blah" if you want. Don't have to get technical with the chance, since it's something that can change without any notice

also, distribution is getting a big update with the next build. FYI

[keen acorn]

ok, good to know

"At this time, when smelted down, the axe is worth 120 in Metal."

@digital helm , do you know if that's accurate?

[digital helm]

smelting isn't in the game, so no

I'm guessing that's because in code it's worth "120 metal" which doesn't have a use yet

[keen acorn]

ok, cheers. I thought as much, but thought I'd check.

[wintry sleet]

Hey, what were the methods of grabbing/taking appliances like sinks and microwave? I have been trying to acquire them for my base but I only see options to dismantle.

Wiki doesn't say much about them either so I am kinda lost

[echo herald]

There're icons on the left edge of the screen. The bottom one is for moving and placing furniture.

[wintry sleet]

Oh right, I guess Wrench is necessary in the process? They were on my primary slot but right click context menu didn't show them haha

Thanks very much

[echo herald]

Most of the furniture requires a hammer to be picked up, but stuff like toilets and sinks require wrenches, yeah.

[digital helm]

@wintry sleet there's also a wip list of furniture with the tools/skills required to move/dismantle https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Furniture

[keen acorn]

@digital helm is there a reason why the delete notification suggests to discuss on page/Deletion rather than the talk page? E.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/.233_Ammo

I've come across a few pages discuss whether the page should be deleted and they seem like they shouldn't belong there. E.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wallet/Deletion

[digital helm]

No real reason apart from how it was setup back in 2011. I agree it'd make more sense on the talk page rather than making a new subpage.

I'll change it to direct to the talk page instead tomorrow 😃

[keen acorn]

cool, sounds good.

[buoyant swift]

nice

[digital helm]

I've changed it btw

and redirected .233 Ammo rather than deleting since there are a few Russian pages linking to it

[keen acorn]

Cheers. That makes sense, I wasn't sure if deleting it was the right thing to do

[digital helm]

Don't worry, we'll review everything rather than deleting blindly 😛

[safe forge]

So there's some confusion in the discussion chat about which traits can be obtained by all characters, and which traits can't e.g. nutritionist seeing all nutrition info for foods, engineers making bombs, etc. and it would be really helpful if someone more knowledgeable could list the traits and which ones are specific to certain occupations.

wait wait nvm it seems there is one

[opaque surge]

Dm me it @safe forge

Or just post it here

[safe forge]

Alrighty one sec

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Traits

[hasty abyss]

The traits page have not been clarified or elucidated in so long...

And may never will. I dunno.

[keen acorn]

Looks like the trait page is updated for the current version. Is there something about it that's not clear or missing?

[digital helm]

@safe forge keep in mind that traits with occupations are defined through the occupation rather than the trait. Examples of this are Mechanic which has amateur mechanic "trait", however is different to the Amateur Mechanic trait that you can give to your character. It's best to look at that page in conjunction with the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Occupation page

[safe forge]

Yes yes I've had that info in my head, I just didn't know the labels because I haven't played the game for a while. I know how it works and that there are differences 😃

[digital helm]

@keen acorn You've been doing a great job on the wiki lately. It's nice to look through the logs and see a lot of useful edits.

I've also been using Trello to keep track of my tasks. Not sure if that's something you'd be interested in. https://trello.com/b/1VgjuqGB/pzwiki
If you pm me your email address I can give you permissions to edit.

Same goes for any one else interested

[acoustic cape]

İs Developer doing papers works for Update the game?

Cause Many players says:Don't buy this game

[echo herald]

?

[digital helm]

@acoustic cape are you asking if they're updating the game? Yes, they are. You can see #blogs_n_teases for the latest devblogs

[calm folio]

Damn...

[keen acorn]

dig a grave

[calm folio]

Shit i was still in editing mode

[keen acorn]

ha

[calm folio]

The first thing I thought was burning them

[keen acorn]

oh yeah, that should work too

[calm folio]

But how?

[keen acorn]

Having a gas can in the secondary slot, with a lighter in the primary, it is possible to burn corpses, removing any negative moodles that are caused by their presence.

I haven't tried it myself, but that's on the wiki

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Gas_Can#Fire_starting

[ruby flame]

Is there anyone who can provide some more concrete info on VOIP and the Radio system?
I often hear a lot of conflicting info.

https://discordapp.com/channels/136501320340209664/136501320340209664/602315312712515597

[digital helm]

@ruby flame VOIP doesn't work with radios, not sure what those people are referring to

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/0/1642042464742558807/

Beard, admin of Redboid and support, can confirm it

also, text doesn't work in the current version either, although I believe it's been fixed for build 41

[ruby flame]

Thanks @digital helm - I've seen TIS comment that it's something they want to add in future. Do you know if there's any concrete plans or talk of looking at it in the next couple of builds

[digital helm]

I have no clue

[ruby flame]

Is it something you could discover? 😜

[digital helm]

I can almost guarantee it's not something they're thinking about at the moment. Turbo wants to get back to radios/tvs, but there's been so much other stuff getting in the way. Such as the weather overhaul and now the animations overhaul.

[ruby flame]

understandable, of course.
No doubt, VOIP over Radio networks would be a really great addition, particularly for larger MP servers.

[frail fossil]

Ehhhh

[shadow remnant]

coming from an RP server, yeah. We'd really like the option

[stuck bane]

"Here with Citizen Z, playing some Old World Blues."

[worthy igloo]

Text works with equipped walkie talkies, but NOT ham radios in my experience.

[latent heron]

someone can explain to me why my traps don't work?

i tried all the guide

i tried put the traps away from me

and check them often

[buoyant swift]

depends on the distance away from the player and some animals can only be caught at certain times of the day.

[glacial trout]

How about food used as bait?

[lethal condor]

It'd be a gamer moment if there was an option to disable world chat

And you could use radios to talk to other players

[calm folio]

@lethal condor Yea, I think

[pale aspen]

me: peacefully driving in a exploring riverside after getting my base and stuff mostly done

(5 days in)

helicopter: nope ur not gonna have a good time

what is your advice in this situation

[glacial trout]

That's the best heli can do for you, drive away from your house, lead them to the middle of nowhere

[pale aspen]

the helicopter follows you correct

[glacial trout]

yeah

[pale aspen]

so i assume it was good im away from the base

ok im gonna drive into riverside and try to see if i can pull the entire town out lmao

[glacial trout]

Going back to your house is usually the worst decision

[pale aspen]

oh god theres a massive horde

rip riverside

[glacial trout]

Don't go too fast, allow them to follow you until you're far enough, then speed away in another direction until you can go back home

[pale aspen]

I do have a fire and rescue SUV

maybe I could get in front of the horde turn on my siren and pull them out?

[glacial trout]

That would be good

[pale aspen]

Well the police station/gas station area of riverside is basiaclly cleared now

[pale aspen]

^ when you realize you were in the wrong channel just now, oops

[keen acorn]

Is NecroForge the recommended way to spawn items for testing?

Also, does anyone have any recommendations on how to quickly move to different parts of the map.

[ruby flame]

Necro forge is the easy way to do both of those things.

You could also host a local server, and use admin commands to do both.

Which might be easier for testing of your own mods/mods that don't have items listed in necroforge (not sure how it works/lists mods, if they need to be built into NF)

But NF is a much nicer/user friendly way to test.

[keen acorn]

Thanks. I didn't realise NecroForge had a way to move to different parts of the map.

[digital helm]

best and easiest way imo is to use debug mode @keen acorn

then just click on the bug icon on the left and "item list", then search for your item. Works with mod items as well

[keen acorn]

cool, I'll give it a try

hmm, seems to crash when I click on that

[digital helm]

you'll have to disable necroforge

they're incompatible

[keen acorn]

Ha, yeah, just tried that

cheers

[keen acorn]

@digital helm, is there value in updating the existing clothing or adding the missing items, such as jackets?

will the next build make that obsolete?

[ruby flame]

100% obsolete.

[digital helm]

nope, no point for now

you could... but there isn't an infobox for clothing anyway yet

[ruby flame]

Bug icon on the left?

[digital helm]

in debug

[ruby flame]

how does one launch debug mode

[keen acorn]

add "-debug" to the launch options

without the quotes (although, that would probably be fine)

[ruby flame]

i see, thanks 😃

what other uses does it hsve

[keen acorn]

I remember reading it was useful for debugging lua

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1033-lua-debugger/

[ruby flame]

this may be a godsend

[digital helm]

@keen acorn re: infection. This is something I've wanted to get to for a while, especially since a lot of people get general infection and zombie infection confused. The game lore calls the zombie infection the "Knox Infection". Should we put these on separate pages and just add the 'about' template, or include it all on the same page: "Infection"?

[keen acorn]

Good question. I'm leaning towards separate pages, with the about template.

The "Infection" page could be a disambiguation page, with a link to "Knox Infection" and a link to the Health Page -> Types of injuries.

[ruby flame]

I think that's a nice, clean way to do it.

[digital helm]

Alright, I'll see about getting that sorted

[royal sluice]

Is the format of the event pages under https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding:Lua_Event set in stone ?

I'm digging through code & thought I'd add some of the missing stuff, just thought I'd ask bc it seems like a WIP deal

[digital helm]

Nah, go ahead

@lusty mantle might be more helpful with that area

[royal sluice]

Okeydoke, thanks

[digital helm]

Infection finally updated. A bunch of lore and updated game mechanics.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Infection

Any amendments appreciated 🙂

[royal sluice]

Only amendment I could think of is adding info about thin/thick skinned to the infection rate section, very thorough

[flint rune]

Probably this too? Unless we want to shroud it in mystery again which I'm okay with

There is no exact official developer response regarding the chance.

Lemmy's post on Steam when people were arguing about it. I know it's at trivia on the bottom though saying it's 100%

[digital helm]

I'm sure that I removed that... 🤔

Does it have the outdated notice at the top for you?

[flint rune]

oh yeah it does, maybe refreshing might update it right

Ah okay it looks different now, guess I clicked too fast lol

[digital helm]

oh good

server sometimes takes a while to update

[royal sluice]

After hopping back to try to see what y'all are talking abt I noticed

this is referring to a previous bug that resulted in a ~96% chance of surviving a zombie bite

Should it be not surviving/dying from ya ?

[flint rune]

I might start contributing to the wiki too, if there's anything specific. There's some pages that are very barebones and could do with some lovin'

[royal sluice]

Unless I'm dumb rn, in which case I'll shortly realize I can't read

[echo herald]

I'd translate some pages but I'm too dumb to comprehend all the beauty of Wiki coding.

[flint rune]

It's just HTML right? Judging from the view source

[royal sluice]

It's not too complex

[echo herald]

And I'm too far away from coding.

[royal sluice]

They use I think a subset of markdown ? Or just its own language, but p similar

[echo herald]

The most i can do are Messageboxes in VBS.

[royal sluice]

And templates generally give you examples

[flint rune]

exactly

[digital helm]

most html works, but it does have its own wikiscript language

[flint rune]

Is there a place that shows the differences or anything?

Or we can just look at completed pages and use them as guides

[echo herald]

Well, do you need a guy who can do msgbox("gay lol", vbexclamation)?

[digital helm]

not at the moment burger, but I'll keep you in mind if it's ever required 🙂

@flint rune mediawiki help https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents
no real comparison, but comparing html tables to wikiscript, you can really see the similarities https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables

[royal sluice]

https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting it uses MediaWiki so this might help

Gosh darnit

[digital helm]

ninja'd

last year I also worked on the wiki's own help pages, but they might be outdated now. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents

[royal sluice]

I read through that at some point I think, that stuff doesn't change too much so it's still a good resource

[echo herald]

Bruh PROGRAMMERS.

[flint rune]

I'll look over them in my own time, thanks. It's better if I use it on a bare bones page while learning then so nothing gets too messed up right?

[digital helm]

yeah, I've got a couple of sandboxes I use, so I can save my own progress
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox

[flint rune]

So I could create a sandbox for myself with an account then?

[digital helm]

yep

anything in your userspace User:Vaileasys/ is yours

[flint rune]

Nice, thanks!

👀

[royal sluice]

That happened to me too, trying it again worked

[flint rune]

Tried it three times, not that important atm can try again later 😄

[royal sluice]

Rip

[echo herald]

Make your nickname longer maybe?

I tried once with BT and it didn't let me through.

[buoyant swift]

I had that problem in the past when I had created a wiki account

[flint rune]

Did it fix itself after a while?

[digital helm]

@flint rune what were you doing?

[flint rune]

Just trying to make an account 😛

Not on a VPN or anything

[digital helm]

alright, you'll have to send kirrus the email you want to sign up with

he has to whitelist it

[buoyant swift]

It’s a bug with the account creation system

[digital helm]

It's not you password it doesn't like, it's something about your IP or email. The anti-spam service we use is really prickly, but it's that or learn about kitchens and nice new pills all the time :frowning:

[royal sluice]

It doesn't think your email is cool enough

[flint rune]

🤔

If rocketmail isn't cool then I don't know what is

I tried gmail though and that didn't work either so yeah I'll send the email another time

[royal sluice]

The info on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nutrition is out of date; I intend to get around to updating it but leaving this here in case I forget

Particularly, proteins have effects & lipids min/max is missing

Maybe other stuff too, that's just stuff I happened to notice

[steep cobalt]

Hello everyone, nice to meet you all

I started translating some wiki pages to brazilian portuguese

starting with the Traits page

which I find to be one of the most useful

and I noticed that several traits had no effect value, when clearly it should have (like brave for example, "Less prone to becoming panicked.", but didn't say by how much)

so I asked on the forum for help and some very cool guy checked the code for them

I want to update the english page first before translating it, so both have the same info, but I wanted to ask for your approval first

Since I can't copy and paste html tables here, I'll leave the forum link: https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/25687-help-me-finish-the-effects-column-of-the-traits-page-wiki/

[ruby flame]

Hey @steep cobalt , nice to see you here (I'm Bejasc from TIS) 🙂

[steep cobalt]

Hello Hejasc, nice to see you here as well! I'm ZonaryQuasar from TIS by the way. 😁

Bejasc*

[digital helm]

@steep cobalt you don't need approval to update pages. Just go ahead :)

[steep cobalt]

@digital helm Oh ok, thanks! I updated the Traits page

I also removed the "+2 Fitness" (this is an example, but applies to all the "+<number> <Fitness/Strenght>") from the Description column and moved to the Effects column

so the Description is really only the description

In the Hobbies section, I will remove the description, leaving only the Effects, since they both have the same content (Hobbies dont have description)

for example:

Brawler Hobby - -6 "+1 Blunt Accuracy +1 Blade Accuracy" Character starts with 1 point in both Blade and Blunt skills.

so it will be just
Brawler Hobby - -6 <Empty description> "+1 Blunt Accuracy +1 Blade Accuracy"

[steep cobalt]

Correction: I did this only for the hobbies that don't have description, as the example above. The others remain as it is.

[steep cobalt]

@digital helm I took the liberty to create some texts for the traits without description in the portuguese page. Is that ok or do you want me to remove them?

Or if you want I can put them on the english page as well

[digital helm]

@steep cobalt I'm sure adding them to the English page as well would be useful

[steep cobalt]

@digital helm Ok then, off I go! 😀

[steep cobalt]

Done. I've put a small reference on the "Desensitized" trait, I hope that's okay

Maybe it would be interesting to add these descriptions into the game as well? Since the wiki page is a reflection of the traits description in the game

[steep cobalt]

Hey @digital helm, I did the portuguese traits page on the "Traits/pt" url, and after viewing the code for the french page ("Joueur"), I discovered the #REDIRECT command, so I created another page called "Traços" ("Traits" in portuguese), and had to remove all the content from the Traits/pt to include the #REDIRECT.

But now I'm getting the error: "Stop blanking pages."

I understand that is a protective measure. There's any way I can stop getting this error?

[digital helm]

we'd rather redirect to Traits/pt, we'll be able to change it to appear as "Traços" eventually

the best way to avoid the error is leave:

blank```

the redirect command isn't recognised as any page content

or you can just ask me to do it and I can bypass it

[steep cobalt]

Ok, if you go now on the Traits english page and click on the portuguese language, it will go to Traits/pt by default. The problem is the title is "Traits/pt" and not "Traços"

that's why I tried to do that, becaue the French page did exactly that, it was created one page for the Traits/fr with a redirect command to another page, Joueur

[digital helm]

yeah, we're going to make it possible to change the title when the mediawiki software gets updated on the server

[steep cobalt]

oh I see

so I'll leave the titles as it is

and I'll purge the Traços page, leaving only the Traits/pt

the message I received when I got the "stop blanking pages" said that my privileges were removed temporarily. Do you know for how long?

[digital helm]

I'm not certain with how long, it's something only the server manager can find out, but it wouldn't be more than a day or two

I don't like that it does that

[steep cobalt]

oh, I was expecting something like one hour or two max lol

[digital helm]

every new user starts as "user" then after a while they become "autoconfirmed user", you've changed to the former

the privileges are very similar, not something to be concerned about

[steep cobalt]

oh ok, as long as I can still edit pages it's fine

[digital helm]

if there's something you'd like to do that you can no longer do, just let me know and I'll do it for you

yeah, you can

I've changed that page to redirect for you

[steep cobalt]

then I guess I'll have to ask you to purge the Traços page, I can't find the link, probably because of the privileges

oh actually I was going to delete the other page and leave just the Traits/pt

[digital helm]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Traços&redirect=no
(might take a bit to update)

[steep cobalt]

since we'll be able to change the title

Hahahaha was supposed to be the other way around xD

the traits/pt was going to redirect to Traços

but since you said we'll be able to change the title in the future... I don't see why doing this

[digital helm]

no no, we'll be able to change it to display as "Traços" instead of "Traits/pt", but the page will still be at pzwiki.net/wiki/Traits/pt

[steep cobalt]

yeah I understand, and I don't see any problem leaving the URL in english

as long as the title is in portuguese it's fine

[digital helm]

it'll be a simple line of code {{DISPLAYTITLE:Traços}}

[steep cobalt]

nice! any possible date for that update?

[digital helm]

depends on @restive adder 's availability

[steep cobalt]

I see

so c'mon Kirrus, give us a hand o/ hahaha

I'm doing all the translations at my work

I work on an IT company so as long as I complete my job tasks I can do whatever

much better doing this than spent all day on reddit, I feel productive 😃

[digital helm]

oh cool

you can translate the main page if you'd like 🙂

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page/pt

[steep cobalt]

well I see that is everything in portuguese already, but the content is old compared to the english version

do you want me to update it?

outdated*

I just hope my work won't be in vain once the next build is released

specially regarding the traits page

please, can you purge the "traços" page? I don't want to leave it there

hey @ruby flame , I'll translate your mods today

[digital helm]

yeah, it's done, it'll just take a while to save to the server

[steep cobalt]

I hope you didn't stop talking to me because of my silly joke when I entered the channel lol ("I'm ZonaryQuasar from TIS", like...duh!). Now that I'm reading doesn't even sound like a joke. I'm weird. lol

thanks @digital helm

we could have a WikiContribuitor role in here

contributor*

what do you say @digital helm

[steep cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Player updated

[restive adder]

I might have time to do the update tomorrow

@digital helm lemme know any extensions you want changed at the same time

I warn you, I’ll swear profusely whilst doing the update. Luckily you won’t have to hear me turning the air blue...

[ruby flame]

Thanks @steep cobalt - I'll PM you 🙂

[digital helm]

@restive adder https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Display_Title

[digital helm]

@steep cobalt I wouldn't consider a role entirely necessary at the moment. The translator role is mostly so members of the role can be @'d so they can be notified easily. Not really something that's necessary for the wiki at the moment. But if things change, then sure.

[steep cobalt]

Oh I see, actually I tought it was only a cosmetic feature 😛

One person said on reddit that the furniture wiki article is hard to understand, regarding picking and placing objects

I will try to update it with a better explanation, but today it's been a busy day here at work

[steep cobalt]

Done. What you guys think? I hope it's clear enough now

Also... I don't think this page (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Furniture) is under construction anymore, it seems complete to me. I will remove the "{{Underconstruction}}" tag

[digital helm]

@steep cobalt very good

that page is still really new. There's a lot more items that are missing, but it's complete enough, for now

[buoyant swift]

.item berry

[timid jackal]

@buoyant swift I found a page but was unable to open it: Forbidden. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Berry

[opal gull]

Heya, I was so sad nobody made a page or put information on an already existing page about what tools or skill levels you need for certain car parts to take them out or put them in, I began getting all the information there is about car parts and stuff, but I've hit a bump, I can't go in the games code or anything because I'm not a programmer (Though I can understand some aspects of programming) which means I am getting all my information from in-game experience and that's it. I want to know what level mechanical skill you need, what tools, and what recipe for each type. Now, because I can't get all the information about everything by stumbling through the game, I want to ask you guys if you can find information about types of Brakes, Tires, Gas Tanks, Seats and Suspensions. (maybe also mufflers, but I think I already found every type of muffler (old, performance and average)). The reason I'm asking this is because the pages on all these items are from built 39.67.5 and sometimes from 40.5, but I don't think the vehicles are going to change any time soon.

If this is too much too ask I will still try and find everything myself, but yeah, it'd help a lot

What I already have found:
Seats
-Standard
-Big
Gas Tanks
-Small
Tires
-Valu-tire
-Performance
Brakes
-Regular
-Performance
Suspension
-Regular
-Performance

[digital helm]

@opal gull there's a been a bit added to the wiki about the vehicle parts. Although many of the articles are still stubs. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/Vehicle

[opal gull]

Awesome, I will look into it in a bit

Thanks!

[opal gull]

Okay, so now I now for certain that I need to find the information about certain types of parts. That's a step in the right direction. The thing I want to add to every page is what skills, tools and recipes you need to actually be able to repair, install, uninstall or adjust the part in question. I don't know who could look at the parts I'm missing.
That list is as follows;
-Old brakes
-Double rear door (there is no double front door I suppose)
-Standard gas tank
-Big gas tank
-Sports seat
-Regular tire

I also ran into the problem that I can't create a PZwiki account because mine has been marked as spam-mail? I've send an e-mail to kirrus but he didn't respond, can somebody else help me with this?

Thanks @digital helm for answering, even if I might be working on a lost cause

[digital helm]

@opal gull he'll get to your email and fix it when he gets the chance.

@restive adder

[opal gull]

Okay, thank you!

[digital helm]

as for the skills, etc. I think that'd be useful. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mechanics this page might be a good place to centralise it all

any other questions regarding the wiki, feel free to ping and ask me

[opal gull]

Okay, I will, thanks!

[restive adder]

@opal gull when did you send the email? haven't seen any recently!

[opal gull]

I send it on 18-8-2019

Might have gone in your spam folder since my e-mail is marked as spam 😛

I send it to: [e-mail]

@restive adder

[tulip kiln]

@digital helm This isn't a question more like a suggestion. In the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items/Unimplemented page theres a few firearms that arent mentioned that being the D-E Pistol, M1911 Pistol and the M9 Pistol. All 3 of these are seen in the inventory of a survivor in the August 1st Animation Progress Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ--ksbxwBQ&list=PL8vlo8QBRWP-x6bqFkOoJzQtIB72WmjS7&index=111 at the 1:23 mark. Plus there have been mention of revolvers as well.

[digital helm]

There's a few more pieces of clothing too

Don't know about the exact names for them at the moment though

[tulip kiln]

What did the outfits look like? There was a clothing vid I remember where it had a huge list of the new outfits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-DiI2trU7g&list=PL8vlo8QBRWP-x6bqFkOoJzQtIB72WmjS7&index=83 Yep this is the video

So if I make an account I'm allowed to edit pages or is that a special privilege thing?

[digital helm]

of course you can edit

you can edit whatever you like, so long as it isn't major style changes

It's best to discuss those things first

[tulip kiln]

Ok well ima try and see If I can add some of these items to the unimplemented page is that ok or would it clutter the page up?

[digital helm]

nah, go ahead

the page is for that stuff, so it doesn't clutter all the other pages

[tulip kiln]

Hmm ok this'll take a while. Didn't expect the editing to be this confusing.

[digital helm]

You're basically copying and pasting this at the bottom of the edit page.

| [[File:Image.png|32px|link=Club Hammer]]
| {{T|Club Hammer}}
| ?
| [[File:UI_Tick.png|link=|Usable as a weapon]]
| {{ID|Base.ClubHammer}}
|-```

`|-` = new row
`| [[File:Image.png|32px|link=Club Hammer]]` just replace `Club Hammer` with the name of the item. This is the page clicking on the image will send you to
`| {{T|Club Hammer}}` = the name. Replace `Club Hammer` with the name of the item.
`| ?` = the item's weight, which can be left as `?`
`| [[File:UI_Tick.png|link=|Usable as a weapon]]` = displays a tick image, with a tooltip that says "Usable as a weapon" when hovered. You can leave that.
`| {{ID|Base.Banjo}}` is the item's unique id. Replace with `| ?` since you wouldn't know what it is.

[tulip kiln]

What do I write if I have no image of the item.

[digital helm]

File:Image.png

that's the ? image

[tulip kiln]

Boom after so long I was finally able to make my first edit to the page. The D-E Pistol!

[digital helm]

heck yeah!

[tulip kiln]

Yeah I just finished my pistol additions to the page but I'm confused a bit. In the videos theres a character firing what I believe to be is an M16. Should I call it in the wiki M16 Assualt Rifle or just m16?

If its a M4 then I'm stupid

Damnit now I've hit a stump trying to figure out what else to do for the wiki

[digital helm]

name doesn't matter at the moment, since there's still some debate on it

you can do clothing

[tulip kiln]

Yeah ill do clothing but the business page even though it wouldn't be viewed as much looks like it'd be cool to make edits too as well. Maybe add a description to the business and maybe an ingame picture of the sign/logo

[digital helm]

that'd be good

[tulip kiln]

You know if theres a way to make my character invisible? I don't want them seen in the pictures

[digital helm]

not that I know of

but if you zoom in and hold right-click you should be able to move them out of the screen

[tulip kiln]

What do you think of the pics so far?

[digital helm]

yeah, they're good

need me to make another column?

[tulip kiln]

another column?

[digital helm]

actually, for the pics you can also use the online map and set the floor to 8

on the table

[tulip kiln]

I'ma figure this out in the morning and get started. I should get some sleep its only a few secs from midnight

[tulip kiln]

Instead of really doing it for the columns I'ma make the actual wiki pages for the businesses

@digital helm For a building/location wiki page what boilerplate would work best? Would it be the guide one?

[digital helm]

@tulip kiln the boilerplates are a little outdated. I'd recommend just copy and pasting the header template from the Businesses page.

{{header|The Game World|Lore|Businesses|version=Version 40|incver=43}}```

[tulip kiln]

Yeah thanks. After that I decided to be resourceful and grab the files for the "Sunstar Motel" wiki page and am currently editing it with the info and pics I've gathered.

But that header is really helpful I tried to edit the header I got from sunstar but itwouldnt work

Is it alright to grab files from other wikipages as templates?

[digital helm]

of course

it's recommended

that way when something in the game gets updated, we only have to update one picture, rather than 100s

[tulip kiln]

Okay but I've encountered an issue with the header. I used yours but it still has an issue. Whenever I try using the "Businesses" link it just links me to page saying create your own

Its got the correct spelling so I don't know why its doing it

[digital helm]

because it's linking to a category that doesn't exist yet

[tulip kiln]

Ah ok.

[tulip kiln]

I have another question. So when I'm designing the page I'm trying to delete the "Technical Details" and "Other Information" boxes but when I delete all of it, it still shows the headers.

[digital helm]

ah yeah, that's my mistake, I'll fix it now

if you save the edit, it'll automatically be fixed once I do the fix

[tulip kiln]

Yeah what I'm doing and what I'm gonna do for my pages is save all the codes in to the notepad app incase of power outage or I have to leave before finishing so I don't lose my work.

[digital helm]

that's a good way of doing it

should be fixed now

[tulip kiln]

Yep it is. Cheers. Now I gotta think up the rest of the description and grab the coordinates for the shop locations. So far my description is "Seahorse Coffee is a coffee shop chain with shops located in The Crossroads Mall, March Ridge, KY, West Point, KY"

[digital helm]

That's the part I struggle with the most. I'm fine with adding the facts, but the filler gets a bit tedious to think up

[tulip kiln]

My issue being is I know how to do a decent description I guess. But starting it off is the hard part. Thinking of what I should say first.

I guess I should also boot up PZ and check what loot spawns in the containers.

[digital helm]

I wouldn't worry about that... there's a much easier way using debug mode

and the loot is going to change somewhat anyway

it's a lot of work doing it that way. Found that out the hard way

[tulip kiln]

Hmm yeah true. Guess I'll just put a description and basic info in the general header.

Sorry again. I'm having an issue. So on the "Businesses" wiki page it lists Seahorse Coffee as having a shop in Marchridge but on the PZ map I cannot find it?

[digital helm]

@tulip kiln https://map.projectzomboid.com/#0.37298511765881226,0.3598028981497042,447.8682305040833

[tulip kiln]

Ah ok thanks. Sorry it was listed as "Mormix Mcfudgintion's" On the map

[digital helm]

yeah, there's a lot of things that are wrong on the map

keep in mind the POIs are community added

[tulip kiln]

While its gonna look weird I'ma keep the page with a basic description and no coordinates for now. When I tried putting multiple coordinates in the coordinates tab it would all be connected together not as seperate links. When I tried making a description page for the locations coordinates the link wouldnt work.

[digital helm]

the coordinates only accepts one location

[tulip kiln]

Darn. Well for now I'll keep a basic page layout. I'll return to it later on with a picture gallery of the other locations. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Seahorse_Coffee

I'll be able to provide more info for the unique locations/business places.

Although if you have any feedback/criticism I'll be happy to return to it and change it up a bit.

[digital helm]

I might make a new infobox for it

[tulip kiln]

Yeah. currently I'm in the process of going around West Point taking photos of businesses exteriors and interiors. I like taking the screenshots ingame because I like to clean garbage out of the photo.

[tulip kiln]

So I made a wiki page of Enigma Books but when I tried to publish it, It said it was prevented by the spam protection filter saying I had a link to a blacklisted site? My only links were to the pz wiki pages of Muldraugh and West Point

[buoyant swift]

pretty cool work getting done on those company names Lethal Citizen.

[tulip kiln]

Yeah thanks. Most of the descriptions are basic for now. I'm trying to collect pictures of the businesses interiors and exteriors to display on the page.

After the loot table fix for anims ill get that info for em as well

[tulip kiln]

Damn the Pzmaps picture function is gonna help me so much

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/West_Point_Gun_Range_and_Hunting_Center Heres where I made use of the pzmap fullscreen pic function

[digital helm]

It's really useful for that

@tulip kiln can you send the txt file for the Enigma Books page you couldn't get working

[tulip kiln]

Yeah hold on a sec.

even tho its still a bit basic. my favourite is :https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fossoil

Although @digital helm whenever I make one of these business pages its put in to the "lore" category. However I'm worried this will clutter up the lore page.

[digital helm]

that's the header template. I'd like to make it so it's only added to the last category, rather than all of them

it'll automatically change for all the pages if I ever get around to it

[tulip kiln]

I'm having an issue. So for my Spiffos page on the wiki I'm trying to list details about the different restaurants but would you consider the Muldraugh one as having a drive-thru or is that more of like a back door area.

[digital helm]

that's a drive-thru

[tulip kiln]

Ah ok good. So I guess that means riverside has one too cheers.

But from the sunstar files I used the "logo" section and changed it in to a picture of Spiffo. It makes the page look so much better.

Its too bad I don't have the skills to design the rest of the PZ business logos cause that would be sick.

[digital helm]

yeah, it's really a stretch of my skills

[tulip kiln]

Yeah cause the sunstar logo was so good.

[digital helm]

most of it is just finding the right font style

[tulip kiln]

But like in the spiffos page im gonna include a menu section and base it off the food I can find exclusively in spiffos. As in fries, fried chicken, [even tho not exclusive burgers] and the menu sprite in some spiffos.

[digital helm]

there's also the radio that has some ads

[tulip kiln]

Oh shit I forgot about radio broadcasts. I know that someone put all the broadcasts down. I'll grab a link for it but yeah I could make an advertisement section. The spiffo page I like designing since there is so much info about it more so than a lot of the other businesses in the game.

Can't believe originally all I was gonna do was just fill in the unimplemented section with the new pistols then it spirraled in to this.

[digital helm]

next you'll be designing the front page

[tulip kiln]

And after that I'll inherit pzwiki. But yeah whenever IWBUMS launches I'll postphone this and try to help you with the clothing section.

[digital helm]

I'm thinking I might take a big step back for a while it comes out

just help with the technical stuff

let others get their hands dirty

[tulip kiln]

Yeah I'll try to fill a bunch of it.

This businesses thing though. Its probably gonna be the best thing I'll ever do for PZ/PZwiki despite it not really being useful.