Another Cerato Stat Rebalance (Plus other stuff)

[nocturne vine]

1 - Revert cerato hp from 1420 to 1300. But restore bite damage from 50 to 65. Potentially increase tailwhip damage from 65 to 70. Generally just dislike the current time to kill and I feel like flat hp is not as interesting as giving more focus to cerato's armoured gimmick.

2 - Increase the tailwhip crit multiplier from 1.5x to 1.65 times, allowing it to take down pyros with a bite hit.

3 - "Heavy Armour", front armour replacement for cerato. Works somewhat similar to pachy dome superarmour where it will reduce the damage taken from AP weapons.

Could start with 40% damage reduction on non-armour piercing hits like regular armour, 20% on armour piercing hit. Excludes pyro flamethrower and potentially assault cannon shots.

Additionaly, heavy armour could also have resistance to bleed if attacks that apply it hit that area.

4 - Turn head while running in roar buff state, letting the cerato more accurately select where to hit humans while enraged.

5 - Small life leech on cerato roar bite hits. (30hp)

6 - Reduce cerato (and carno's in general) cap for when they start taking fall damage, letting them use the new ground slam more easily in maps like transfer.

[random thunder]

4 is definitely a good idea, I would prefer 1 over current stats although I dont think its essential

[cerulean raptor]

6 is alright, would like to see more of slam gameplay as I have not seen anyone but holo use it lol

[nocturne vine]

it's surprising that there's like a few small areas on flatter maps with small elevation (transfer) that you can use it. I was expecting being able to use the cargo and catwalk areas to be able use it but it seems to be unable to hit that cap.

[cerulean raptor]

yk where the acid silos are and that catwalk there, can you slam when you press jump when you jump off?

[nocturne vine]

nope

not even the utilitybase wall assets in transfer (it works in Ubase)

[cerulean raptor]

damn man

[random thunder]

2, 3 and 5 sound like they’d just make cera way too strong or just mitigate pyros hp advantage, which at this point hardly makes sense because so many things kill him in the same time as 150hp classes

[nocturne vine]

pyro's hp advantage is really mostly useful when chainsaw is up.

[random thunder]

Slammer pyros should still get the hp advantage benefits

[nocturne vine]

slammer pyros are pretty solid and I don't think they should get a free hit with a class that needs kill heals as vitally as cerato

[random thunder]

Cera can absolutely dominate matches if the player knows what theyre doing and its a map that favours ceras playstyle, its already yo-yoed a lot in terms of balance so I dont think the majority of these changes, especially super armour, should be added

[crystal trout]

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[nocturne vine]

I think more armour ideas should be considered more, with armour piercing just letting you hit areas that really have invalidated one of the biggest gimmicks of cerato since its launch, plus it has more counterplay than flatly increasing the hp of cerato

[crystal trout]

Me reading the thread title

[nocturne vine]

ik it's been done to death so I might as well of added a hint of self-awareness

[random thunder]

Yes it has class counters like everything else how is that a negative

Cera stomps anything with no AP already, most AP guns are pretty easy to beat anyway because if the human player makes one mistake they get death combined immediately

[nocturne vine]

the gimmick's been "shoot its soft area" but most of the time I see just explosives being shot off on the face rather than timing for an opening

[random thunder]

About half of cera is armoured already it really doesnt need any more armour improvements

[nocturne vine]

I was thinking about when explosives didn't have armour piercing and that you couldn't just dump it on the front or you do less damage so it was better to get to the cerato's side.

I think it's worth to bolster cerato's front just to see how it goes because it means if you know where to shoot or if the cerato is running away your damage won't be reduced.

[random thunder]

You can get like 40+ kills as that thing on maps that favour it already, its especially powerful with tyrant buffs and some team play, it really doesnt need 40% damage reduction on the front half and tail of it

If you run in with like 2 other people on your team you’ll do well its not like its fighting all of humans on its own

[bleak pebble]

We really don't need to make cerato more tankier, cerato should just.. get lower health and higher damage, I don't see why we're trying to make cerato tanky but low damage. We have tyrants for taking, bruisers do not work well in tanking, 1 kill stolen from cerato in a group fight now cerato got nothing to heal from and it will be either forced to run away or straight up die

[potent mason]

All these changes would be great

Though, with all those buffs, maybe lower hp a little.more, maybe 1250 or 1200