[Finished] Incubus - Into The Summer

[light jacinth]

Hi, about a month ago my Custom Forge account was restricted because of this chart specifically. I was asked to revisit and update this song to 2026 standards. The errors were that it lacked sections, didn't have split lyrics, had no leading silence, and had problems with fret hand positions.

All of this was in the Bass part. But I took advantage of the update and added the Lead part as well 😋 . Here's the updated chart in case anyone can help me figure out what needs polishing to meet the standards.

[novel trout]

Sections/Phrases are still pretty long

• Try and set them every ~4 measures or so as a general starting point (that rule does vary sometimes if you're not in 4/4, but that should be a good starting point for the majority of songs). Currently they are set every 8 measures.

Sections/Phrases you can make specific to each path, which you should do for the bass. ATM you have the intro set at the same place as the guitar which is causing the note highway to be lit up pre-emptively for no reason (FHPs also cause this too so it's also best to remove those as well) - instead it should start roughly where the notes are on the bass path.
The bass should technically start on beat 4 of measure 7
If you're using EOF still, when you set the sections/phrases there are a couple boxes at the bottom, check the box to set them specific to the track.

It's very handy for cases like this where a guitar part is playing, but the other instruments aren't.

Bass wise, there's a load of missing slides and fhps throughout

like in the intro, there is a very clear slide down on the second 5A in measure 8

measure 9 would be better at fhp7, like you have it futher in the chart

Again, there is a very clear missing slide on the third 8A

I would remove the sustain on the first 8A in measure 9 too - that is a sustain which lasts less than a beat (the distance between 2 arrows) and 99% of the time, those are better off as just single note heads instead

so it should look more like this:

(and with the fhps on show)

Again, measure 11 should just be a single note and not have any sustain since it's less than a beat.

FHP issue here
Generally speaking, don't have fhps placed on hammer-on/ pull of notation.
The fhp change here should be on the 5D of the 5-7 hammer-on.

this I would have at fhp3 > then move down to fhp2 on the 2A instead > move to fhp3 on the 3A > move to fhp5 on the 5A since it feels like a walk up

I guess repeat the above feedback throughout the bass

• check for missing slides and add them in like I've done
• double check fhps mostly around hammer-ons

chord fingerings for all these are wrong, they should be 321, not 341

these Ems I would have played with fingers 1 and 2 rather than a barre giving you're wating to ring out the higher 3 strings trying to barre that with the index finger just makes it harder to get the higher 3 strings to ring out

If you're using one of the latest version of EOF and the Hotfix files, you can go to File > Display > Notes > Rocksmith and it will open up a new info box in the bottom middle which will also highlight some areas that need fixing too

A couple little bits it's catching for the lyrics for example.

• All new lyric lines should be capitalized.
• Punctuation shouldn't really be used other than apostrophes and hyphens. The commas you have can just be removed since they're neart the start or end of a line. (if they are in the middle of lyric line, that's usually a good place to split the line into 2)

[light jacinth]

Thanks a lot for the very detailed review! ; there were way more mistakes than I thought, lol, but thanks to your feedback, I've corrected them one by one.

In general, the sections/phrases are now spaced every 4 bars, and the bass line starts right before the instrument comes in. I wasn't aware of this, but it makes perfect sense.

On the Bass part, I've corrected the slides, which were present throughout the song, leaving a slight sustain just as you showed me in the EOF screenshots (I've included a screenshot of how I matched those changes). They were a huge help, by the way, thanks! I've also corrected the multiple FHP errors, especially all the Hopos, where they should be on the HammerOn/PullOff note. This was the most time-consuming part to review, but I think it's now exactly as it should be. And I've also corrected the FHP in the section that feels like a walk-up, a small but significant detail.

On guitar, I corrected those errors on finger positions, A11 and Em. And also the missing uppercase/extra comma in the lyrics.

Regarding EOF and Hotfix files, I wasn't aware of that feature. I always use Charter now, and I just updated to the EOF latest version to check it out. I assume it's similar to the Errors section in Charter, or is it better to use the EOF feature?

[novel trout]

Relatively new update to EOF to try and mimic some of checks you find in Charter/ the RS+ workshop tool. Never really delved into Charter that much personally so can't really say if it's better or worse. It's probably about on-par with the others; we might have some checks Charter doesn't have, Charter might have some that EOF doesn't have.
If you've already migrated to Charter and finding it more easier to use, there's probably no real reason to go back to EOF

[novel trout]

Still a fair amount of FHPs in the wrong place on bass

this should be fhp3 - currently at fhp2

the 5A here should be fhp5 - it's currently at fhp3

similar here, 3A here should be set at fhp3

5A here should be fhp5

3A here should be fhp3

5A here should be fhp5

5D here should be fhp5

5A here should be fhp5

5D here should be fhp5

5A here should be fhp5

3A here should be fhp3

same here

5A should be fhp5

Hopefully you get the gist of it - again, fhps shouldn't be on the hammer-ons, they should be note before

these 13As you could probably keep at fhp11

likewise here, 13A should be fhp11

Then same stuff again for the outro few sections - lots of fhps on hammer-ons again when they should be on the note before

Still a few lines in the lyrics which don't start with a capital letter either

The sections/phrases are a vast improvement than before though thank you for doing those

[light jacinth]

I apologize for the confusion with so many FHPs; I now understand that they should be on the note before, not the note after, as I manually did for each note (I really needed practice with FHPs 😬) . I've now modified all the parts of your screenshots (thank you so much for marking each part precisely!) and continued to the song's outro, where there were also several incorrect FHPs. This time, I think it's perfect in that regard. 🙏

I also added capital letters to 3 lyric lines where they were missing.

[novel trout]

Apologies from my end too if I didn't make the FHP stuff clear the first time round. I am pretty bad at explaining stuff sometimes

FHPs I will admit is probably the most tedious part of the new standards. It does get a lot easier the more you do it though - even more so if you are using Charter too, you can just easily drag the fhp markers around. The 3D preview it has (f11) is also an extremely handy addition too and you can view how things will look without having to open up the game 😄
If you're ever struggling when it comes to FHPs, trying to study live footage from the band is usually very helpful if available. Sometimes you can luck out and the band/ artist have playthrough videos on youtube too. Looking at covers can be a good backup if you can't find live footage, maybe not so much as how the band actually plays things, but can be a nice indicator for how to play general riffs etc. if you aren't sure.

I guess one final note is the file numbering and a little DLC Builder stuff:
Generally speaking, it's best if you number any pre-releases you're working on and share in here like these past few files as decimal numbers (1.1, 1.2, 1.3 etc.) and then leave whole numbers (v1, v2, v3) for your public version you upload to Customsforge - this just helps the uploads you post not start at like v.4.
We've also been encouraging people to update their DLC Key box to also include the version number of the current build too - this helps ensure that each file is unique, and it also allows you to have multiple files for the same song co-exist in your game at the same time without conflict
I usually have my DLC Keys end in T1, T2, T3 for any test versions I do > then swap to having it end in V1, V2, V3 for the public releases.
(I personally also like to update the actual DLC Key to have the full artist and song name too, but that's probably more of me thing )

all that to say, that latest version looks good to me I'd be happy seeing this version go up
(you could drop it back down to v.2 and just tweaking the DLC Key to include v2 at the end - just so it doesn't go from v1 to v4 😄 )

let me know when it's posted, and I'll unflag it as abandoned.
I'll also look at restoring your upload permissions too; I'm confident you know what you're doing 🙂

Please do just make sure things are following the charting standards - both for new uploads and any updates you may make. As you can hopefully see from the other Chart Feedback posts, there are people more than happy and willing to give things a playtest for you if you ever need. There's also #creators too for any general charting related questions you may have.

[light jacinth]

On the contrary, thank you for such detailed explanations and your patience. I've learned those details very well now. And yes! Charter 3D Preview is wonderful; it really guides you perfectly. I've been looking for that advice as well; seeing the songs played live definitely helps in knowing which fret to play on. I'll apply that from now on.

And of course, I'm going to follow your advice about the version numbering, uploading a V2 right now for the public release. And about the DLC keys, I didn't know you could have multiple files coexisting based on that; it was always a pain to delete and add new versions by restarting the game. I'll upload the public version now and notify you so this thread can be marked as [Finished].

Thank you very much for your help, and of course, I'll be more up-to-date with the standards. I suppose it wouldn't be necessary to create a thread for every new song I want to make, but I'll be posting new questions in the creators' channel, questions I'm sure I already have in other genres.

I just uploaded V2 to the site: https://ignition4.customsforge.com/cdlc/95423