The Union of Soviet Socialist Planets

[hollow inlet]

your current guide only has standards for ships, some standards that is

not much

its pretty terrible overall in terms of completeness

you should just copy paste my entire guide into the docs and sort it out later @dawn crystal

as well as bits and pieces from the old contribution standards, they had useful images and some standards for ships

[dawn crystal]

yeah I should put more in, sorry for inconveniences

We really need a documentainer

[hollow inlet]

like I don't mind improving things but making a new official guide

and having nothing in it just makes people confused

[thin marlin]

get your chitchat out of my malding chat

[hollow inlet]

bawk

[dawn crystal]

all chat is maint chat

[low zodiac]

Anyways

1990s USSR route for the USSP

I rest my case

[hollow inlet]

it should be obvious that there are a lot less actually mapped ships recently too

probably cause we aren't pulling in new devs or contribs due to the

complete lack of organization or accessible guides and a "official guide" with nothing to tell you how

[pulsar wagon]

Yeah, I don't envy mappers, it's not as easy as it might seem
YAML, is repeatedly running into a wall until it works
But yeah, all good points, the pink tide must grow
Millions of Maints must review slop

[violet cloak]

I'm a Communist Party of the Monolith Sector girl, but I'd still play regardless of the direction. Either way we need to be more hostile to pirates and have a unified vision

[thin marlin]

i have 600 hours of barotrauma mapping, this is equally addicting

i just love mapping

[hollow inlet]

yaml is easy once you understand the c# behind it

except for the fact the c# behind it is hard to comprehend

component entity system my beloved

[pulsar wagon]

I was gonna say, C# is
I'll have to bite the bullet one day and just learn it
I'm already a neverplayer, so I'm like 1/3 qualified
Actually... While I have your attention, are there any good resources out there?

[dawn crystal]

People who know it

Asking for help in dev help doesnt guarantee a response but it can be the most helpful

Personally wizden docs also helped me understand yaml, but it has info that isn’t relevant to monolith development

[void knot]

so USSP is staying as a bunch of remnants because the poll is "INVALID"

???

at that point just remove the faction if they don't do shit other than act as a mercenary role

[hexed mango]

theyre not a faction

neverplayer exposed

[golden veldt]

Poll became invalid when Nick brought his metacord to the poll.

[hexed mango]

btw me talking to this person is useless since they have me blocked

[void knot]

the metacord of actual USSP players?

like the few 5 ppl?

[golden veldt]

Only like 2 of which play, yes

[void knot]

dude what r we on about.

[golden veldt]

Bunch of neverplayers

Wanting the thing to stay the same

[frank bloom]

The Metacord where they say Monolith is dead because it removed the USSP as a major faction, yes.

[golden veldt]

But wanting every other faction to change everything about themselves

[pulsar wagon]

I'm on their blacklist now
Shame
It was very much a cinematic experience

[hexed mango]

fyi @golden veldt trinity is a rotter who doesnt play monolith often

It may not be worth your time engaging because of their playtime

[golden veldt]

I figured that they were probably apart of his group yeah

[void knot]

I play monolith like half the time dude, quit the grudge lol

[hexed mango]

they are

[hexed mango]

no

[frank bloom]

Bro I'm hyper blacklisted. I may as well be the Devil to the USSP 😭

[void knot]

yup

[hexed mango]

no as in like no im not quitting the grudge

[golden veldt]

Conflict is PLOT and it is BASED

[hexed mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444061955366060184/1463005043895570502/really_cool_fish.gif

[void knot]

nah...you probably should, not healthy for the cortisol.

[hexed mango]

https://klipy.com/gifs/barney-youre-a-thief

Anyways

[void knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464874275923300454/1467045624187981869/G_cDifNWgAACIXU.gif

[frank bloom]

The irony of me being the USSP's biggest OP is only heightened by the fact I was the first Commissar 😭

[balmy meteor]

inserts Obi Wan speech but tailored to communism

[pulsar wagon]

Real
The UI Vs USSP grudge is probably only the only grudge between companies
Except ZoB and not mechanicus

[frank bloom]

The problem was I played it too much like a faction in a game and that didn't satisfy the hardliner Nick who was ADAMANT that the space communists must be stronger because the real USSR was actually super duper strong

[pulsar wagon]

REAL
He hates me because I recognise the videogame faction can lose
Wild take I know

[frank bloom]

bro unironically was posting ww2 commie propaganda because he couldn't comprehend the game being different from real life

Tanky behavior

[pulsar wagon]

He was posting books about Yugoslavian communism here at one stage

[frank bloom]

He just came back from a 4 month hiatus, a hiatus I caused because the subject of next gen fighters came up and I said the Russian ones were bad

And he got so upset by that he left Mono

And now he has left again

[pulsar wagon]

I remember that
Yes, instigated by the fact I suggested lore
I can't believe people like this exist

[balmy meteor]

Im not overly sad to see him go, guy was a pain in the ass and very up his own in regards to where his head seems situated.

[golden veldt]

Woah woah woah man calm down his meta crew are gonna put you on their blacklist

[dawn crystal]

okay that’s peak wordplay

free +1 social credit in these trying times

[hexed mango]

summary of thread/post:

[pulsar wagon]

I'm sorry, I couldn't help it
#premium message

[low plover]

Curious to know what the verdict is, anyhow

[fossil arrow]

Ngl there were times when I wanted to say "bro, we're pretending to be space commies, its not that deep" also he kept using all this russian terminology that most people wouldn't get

[grand bay]

why is he dead again

watafak.

[low plover]

Pretty sure he blew up and left

[fossil arrow]

Nice

[pulsar wagon]

Low-key, the decision has kinda already been made
We are opting to continue the Remnant theme, or explore it further, maybe add some of Rabbits points
I will cook this eventually

[low plover]

Cool cool!

Thanks for keeping us posted!

[pulsar wagon]

TLDR crash out over lore takes

[golden veldt]

Pretty much ^

[balmy meteor]

Yeah exactly. Also dudes whole "Ill take my ball and go home if everyone doesnt write their lore to accomadate mine" attitude is just.... I mean I said it earlier, I work in an elementary school and the kids don't behave that annoyingly

[golden veldt]

He supposedly also deleted all the current USSP lore

Not like it really matters

Shits childish

[golden veldt]

Literally yes

[grand bay]

🥹

[frank bloom]

Wanna know th funniest thing ever

Nick ain't even Russian

He's Serbian

hes just that desperate to be one

[golden veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/high-as-fuck-drugs-high-weed-gif-16119033

[balmy meteor]

Lmfao

[low plover]

Well, anyhow.

I heard the USSP was undergoing a rework in general? Is there anywhere I can go for news on that?

[golden veldt]

Sure! Fire away, here would be a good place to ask any questions relating to the potential lore rework

[low plover]

Sweet deal!

[golden veldt]

@pulsar wagon Will be doing most of the heavy lifting for the majority of the lore. Me and @balmy meteor are mostly just aiding where we can.

[river nebula]

Ill catch up on the discussion later, put i personally prefer military remnants. Feels more natural for stranded soldiers

I can help out with lore, maybe some light yml since it shouldnt be that hard (insert kennedy quote here)

[golden veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[river nebula]

I'd say something about the guys political afiliation since it was on his profile

but ill refrain

[golden veldt]

Bring back the Soviet Union amirite?

[river nebula]

Not even that xd, he has open support for russians in ukraine lmao

Big tankie energy

Anyways

[low zodiac]

Yeeeeeeah I had a feeling he was one

[golden veldt]

Won’t ever say openly I support Russias claims in Ukraine but I can understand the why they did it.

[low zodiac]

When his only critique of my proposal he has was

'But why should the union die?'

It was uh

Yeah

[golden veldt]

Detachment from reality is a real thing

[river nebula]

Understanding and support are two veeery different things

but lets not start that topic xd.

I have OPIONIONS on it lmao

[golden veldt]

Yeeee

[river nebula]

to sum up nick- dogs bark, yet the caravan moves on

[grand bay]

USSP thread locked in under 30 minutes after 70 new individuals that never once typed in this thread suddenly joined, multiple banwaves and chat log purges.

[golden veldt]

Great way to say he’s as dumb as rocks

[golden veldt]

[river nebula]

huh

did i miss something xD

like something big

[grand bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371284325647126569/1417566082293694607/PixVerse_V5_Image_Text_360P_cat_licking_its_pa.gif

[river nebula]

timestampt for my reading of the backlog

@pulsar wagon about the idea for remnants and the main civilian population- What could be done to both include the ex USSP status of the space as well as remnants angle (which would be neat since USSP leaving is a very nice player agency thing) you could fold CC and MD under "USSP" as in they used to be USSP controlled civics branches that are currently just the Civivs administration of the sector (i believe that right now they are civics branch of TSF since Overseer and TSF colonel are side by side in the command section while vizier is not).

This both fixes the issue of CC sec being kinda a 3rd faction that has no players and no explanation as well as explains why TSF doesnt go hard crackdown on the USSP militrary remnants

Gimmie. I am resposible and can be trusted with server wide lore

[violet cloak]

I want nothing to do with writing lore because I got burned hard by the last project I wrote for

Might have to learn yaml though, I have a couple bad ideas for that

[golden veldt]

It’s a hard thing to get into, world crafting is easy, but bringing it to life through word is a Herculean task to even begin.

[violet cloak]

Also true

It was the specific office-style politics that burned me. I'm still proud of what I wrote and how it was implemented

[golden veldt]

Hell yeah, as long as at the end of the day you can see your work as worthy. It doesn’t really matter what others say or think.

[violet cloak]

I'm just not gonna put myself in that position again

[golden veldt]

Absolutely, lessons learned!

Unfortunately I’ve been playing Eternia for the best part of a decade and some change. So getting burned and having all my shit retconned is a new natural state of being.

[balmy meteor]

Preach

[low plover]

I'd be down to contribute lore, but I'd want to submit it to a committee and I'm very inactive on discord. I'll be living vicariously through whoever does it, I think.

[frank bloom]

So a 2nd lore team that does nothing.

🥹

[golden veldt]

Don’t worry too much! John does some good shit. If you wanna contribute, I don’t see why you wouldn’t be able to!

[golden veldt]

exists for 1 day
OH ITS SO OVER

Go away doomer

[frank bloom]

Brother I am speaking from EXPERIENCE

You weren't here before dumbass

We had a lore team at one point

THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING

Then Jester wrote everything

[golden veldt]

You say that as if this is the first time this kind of thing has happened

The world is full of failures

It just takes one to succeed

So far it’s actually moving somewhat smoothly

Now that Nick ceased to exist

[frank bloom]

Here's the thing. Going into it with the "we should write by committee" mentality is why the first one went nowhere

we need someone to actually write da lore

[golden veldt]

The committee doesn’t exist

It’s just a bunch of basement dwellers that wanna give this shit lore

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

Shit

With Nick gone, the rest of the “lore team” are slowly chipping away at the endless possibilities of storyboarding. Lot of it is just trying to figure out what the fuck the basics are.

[river nebula]

the cycle of life

[hollow inlet]

a private lore team that cooks up private lore in their private basement is doomed to fail

I told this to the first lore time, before, during, and after their existence

I will tell this to the new "lore team"

I will probably not be listened too

history will repeat itself

it is what it is

you all get so focused on making the lore you forget you are making lore for people and people actually want to have input on what you are cooking up

or work on making lore themselves instead of "only lore team is allowed to make lore!" type shit

you forget that implementation of lore is the most important part of everything

lore is a community based process you say, then why is all you do is huddle in your private discord server?

smh

[grand bay]

I mean having a dedicated group of people for managing USSP lore Wouldn't Be Necessarily Bad

From what I've seen John has most of the time been trying to conmunicate here or the other USSP thread about what he's thinking lore-wise for the USSP

[golden veldt]

There needs to be a middle ground. Having a lore team that is to engrained in the communities feedback would make it so everything will get written a dozen times. It’s why game developers don’t let anyone besides the storyboard team (and investors) have say on the overall story. If I was to post every mediocre piece of trash write up here, nothing would get done because you or some other would appear, criticize, belittle or insult it, resulting in demotivation, lack of creativity and overall just giving the story the Activision treatment.

[sharp condor]

Are you guys debating over a dead faction?

[hollow inlet]

no

[golden veldt]

No

[hollow inlet]

lore team

[sharp condor]

Kinda peak ngl

[hollow inlet]

but you also have to remember this is also a community driven project from the core

developers are all volunteers, the maintainers are all volunteers

fuckin admins are all volunteers

[sharp condor]

Yea we are

[hollow inlet]

your best bet for long term growth is to work with the community by not only being "lore maintainers" but inviting others to participate as well

[golden veldt]

Absolutely, but not every mouth breather deserves a say in the overall direction. Otherwise you get people like Nick that demand every minor thing be changed to accommodate something or other.

[hollow inlet]

there's a difference between "lore maintainer" and "lore dev"

[hollow inlet]

and its your decision to say fuck you to anyone who you dislike

[fossil arrow]

Ah yes, like all the people who were consulted before making the ASR into jihading monarchists

[hollow inlet]

I do time people out who are really annoying about development or ideasguy type shit occassionally

[hollow inlet]

asr predates lore

also I have no fucking clue

[golden veldt]

I think he’s talking about the PDV

[hollow inlet]

yes this is

exactly the issue with lore team

[sharp condor]

Were you even here for pre-TSF times?

[hollow inlet]

lol

[sharp condor]

If not, let the adults at the table speak

TSF used to be green and brown mind you.

[hollow inlet]

Also the fuckin lore team didn't consult maintainers at all

[golden veldt]

Now they’re just direct copies of Paradise TSF

[hollow inlet]

so none of their ideas were ever added in

lol

[sharp condor]

*glances to he who will not be named

[grand bay]

The lore team failed because they were given essentially full control over the office (lore of monolith) and then smoked cigars in it and wrote something half coherent with noone to double check if it would be at least to some degree and called it a day which is why in the present people have to work with the Yummy Slop that TSF - PDV is (essentially nothing of substance to work with)

[hollow inlet]

at the very least maints could have helped a lot

but nope

at first we didn't even have access to any amount of lore team channels or interaction

[golden veldt]

Frankly I’m hoping the lore team gets more direction from high staff so it’s mostly just a group of writers filling in gaps.

[sharp condor]

Check pins in #general for the monolith, ads, and chimera working concept lore

[hollow inlet]

or any shared way of communication in private

[hollow inlet]

its difficult when the team was formed entirely adhoc and is not approved by the owner headmin etc etc etc

[golden veldt]

Happens when the community has been malding over the endless inconsistencies for- apparently a year now.

I haven’t been around that long so I got fuck all knowledge of that

[grand bay]

A personal discord isn't all that bad either since it's basically just there for the people that are Very Interested in xyz group in the game which is good because it filters out random people that have no clue about the group influencing rather important votes between passionate players

[hollow inlet]

which is good yes

the issue is that right now its an unofficial lore discord :(

[golden veldt]

But it’s been such an annoyance for me I see this as nothing but a welcome change, players wanting to actually contribute and aid the servers progression because high staff haven’t

Everything’s unofficial

[hollow inlet]

may I repeat the obvious

[golden veldt]

Yes

[hollow inlet]

the maints are volunteers, the contributors are volunteers

[grand bay]

Yes xir.

[hollow inlet]

the admins are volunteers

[golden veldt]

We’re all volunteers

[sharp condor]

@grand bay Nevermind you won’t find it because it isn’t there lol here #general message

[hollow inlet]

we don't have a maint doing lore work because no one was really interested in it after the whole

lore team shitshow

I assume

also because

maintainers are developers first

not lore creators

admins are here to manage the community

lol

[golden veldt]

Really goes to show the management skill level

[hollow inlet]

you can cut the snark dude

[low zodiac]

Honestly if I was asked to submit a 3 page lore doc for 'insert thing here' for mono and then submit it to staff as a whole for review

I'd do it

I have absolutely no issue with pitching in that way

World building is both a passion and hobby

[golden veldt]

Hey man, it’s been an ongoing thing for 3+ continuous months since I got here, shits appears incompetent or intentional after a hot minute

If it’s intentional, that’s lazy as fuck.

[low zodiac]

Hell just earlier in 5 minutes I provided a general 'outline' that everyone except one mouthbreather liked and wanted to roll with

[hollow inlet]

I don't know what your problem with the admins but you don't need to vaguepost about shit

[sharp condor]

Yes this is lore for you

[hollow inlet]

least of all don't ping me about it

[golden veldt]

I have no issue with the admins, just the lack of direction they seem to have.

[sharp condor]

Admins don’t dev shit lol

[golden veldt]

It very much appears that way yes

[low zodiac]

Lore for everyone, ideally

I'm very happy to have peer review and see what can and can't work

[sharp condor]

We don’t be doing nothing but adminning LOL

Admins are separate from maints btw

[golden veldt]

I’m not talking about

[low zodiac]

If I want to write a fanfiction I'd just write a book

[golden veldt]

Every regular admin

I’m talking about high staff being directionless and removed from the overall communities experiences.

[low zodiac]

I have my own gripes with staff processess/conduct here but due to my current ticket situation I won't elaborate for now

[sharp condor]

You meant the 4 high staff we have that actually have a life outside of the discord and ss14?

[low zodiac]

This place could be ran a bit better, yes

[sharp condor]

Hence their inability to develop the project like they’re being paid to?

(They aren’t being paid at all)

[low zodiac]

But, credit where it is due, this is a good server and for the most part my experience has been good thus far

Hell only server I actually enjoy on SS14

The rest is fucking awful

[sharp condor]

Actually I’m beginning to see starch’s motivation to charge money for merges.

Huh.

[golden veldt]

Ah yes, the “we have lives” argument. It’s not hard to sit down with a few people for 5 a bit and give them a direction on where they want their server lore to reside. When the ENTIRE SERVER LORE is locked behind “unofficial lore” and “if it’s in game then it’s lore” and it’s endless inconsistencies.

None of which done that to the point where the players decided to take action

They clearly didn’t do it with the first lore team

I can only hope they’ll do it with the second

[sharp condor]

You know the last time they tried this they got hit with a riot of people wanting to “play my way” instead of act within the lore?

Half the old lore team ghosted the project when they got told that.

[golden veldt]

Yes, that’s why I’m glad that Nicks gone cause he was a troglodyte that pulled that shit. The old lore team were not given a direction either. This is entirely on high staff being directionless and lacking a vision for what they want out of the server and its immersion.

Once they can actually articulate with the lore team what they want, so they can write it, then itll begin moving.

[hollow inlet]

I told the lore team very clearly that they needed to work closer with the community.

My input was ignored.

You also should remember

[golden veldt]

Your input wasn’t ignored, a poll was dropped in this chat.

[hollow inlet]

"high staff" at time

I meant

[golden veldt]

The issue is that we have

[hollow inlet]

The old lore team

because I was around for their formation.

[golden veldt]

Ah

[hollow inlet]

as a maintainer.

Remember that the "high staff" of old were

Starch

and Ark, but we don't really count Ark

smh smh

[golden veldt]

He who shall not be named

[hollow inlet]

Starch didn't really like the lore team

cause they didn't work with him either

[grand bay]

I remember when I saw a guy that joined the server 2 months ago got put onto the lore team for being able to write. I knew nuclear fallout was coming.

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[hollow inlet]

because they sat in their private channels and cooked things without really consulting or publishing any of it

apparently we were supposed to have species lore for most species done already

but none of it was ever put around?

[low zodiac]

Yeah no that's retarded

[hollow inlet]

none of the lore team ever learned to bother to code outside Jester even

as in, for guidebook implementation

despite plenty of offers of assistance from me especially

[low zodiac]

If I ever write lore for a project first thing I do is ensure the rest of who I am working with/for is aware of it and can apply critiques and feedback

[hollow inlet]

nor were maints really consulted, I will once again emphasize

none of the maints had access to any lore channels period

[sharp condor]

When they tried they got handed a bag of shit and told “I don’t like this because it doesn’t align well with my character.”

[hollow inlet]

nor were there any form of cross communication until we finally, finally established a combined channel for our entire staff team (maints later got basic lore team access but yeah)

and by then it was practically too late

[low zodiac]

If that's the reason I'd just tell the person in question to cope

We all know 95% of space station """"characters""""" are self inserts

[golden veldt]

The issue with to much community input and engagement is that if everyone has a say, you get Activision levels of lore writing.

[sharp condor]

Yea this was like 1 month before it got cut

[hollow inlet]

its also important to remember that Monolith was

like

5-6 months old at the time?

at best?

absurdly young server

lol

like it absolutely is a skill issue

but I mean, the unexpected rapid growth caused a lot of troubles

but hey, I joined like, right before the growth uber picked up

[golden veldt]

I don’t know why they wanted to separate the old lore team so much from staff/maintainers

Sounds kinda counterintuitive

[hollow inlet]

I applied to be a lore team member btw

but they didn't want someone to be both maint and lore team member

despite the fact I could easily singlehandedly implement every guidebook/description/etc edit for the entire lore team

[golden veldt]

Fuck, that should almost be a requirement.

[low zodiac]

Isn't that really counterintuitive

[hollow inlet]

ofc jester later became admin and lore team member

basic yaml coding to add guidebooks and descriptions and shit is super easy, all the difficulty is in setting up the IDE to work

[low zodiac]

No c*ders allowed (our lore has to be coded into the game btw)

[hollow inlet]

anyways lessoned learned hopefully

[golden veldt]

Me when the coders don’t wanna work with the lore team cause they’re a bunch of snooty fucks

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[low zodiac]

Sounds like it was the reverse in this case

Very secretive lore team that circlejerked in an echo chamber and ultimately did nothing but cause drama

@hollow inlet am I wrong?

[golden veldt]

Eh, if Nick was to be believed the coders really didn’t like the lore team and generally refused to work with them

Lore team made lore

But they couldn’t get it in game

[low zodiac]

Nick

[golden veldt]

Because none of them were coders

[hollow inlet]

this is basically what happened yes

[golden veldt]

Yeah I know

[low zodiac]

I'm gonna treat that as a very biased source

[hollow inlet]

It was rather disgraceful

especially compared to me, what I was doing

writing the contribution and development guide for monolith

and trying to help out people when I did

when I was especially active in that kind of work, we literally had

too many fucking ship prs

lmao

as it turns out mapping ships is way too easy compared to everything else

its fun I get that tho

[low zodiac]

Well, ultimately, if the job ever pops up I would be glad to help pop in and contribute lore wise

Hell, I've staffed on a few SS13 servers before so running events and such also shouldn't be a hassle for me

[hollow inlet]

if I was especially active I could probably have become head maintainer

but I don't really care for such a role

[low zodiac]

Unless the SS14 interface is fucking awful and I'd have to relearn everything

But meh

[hollow inlet]

and I got burn out troubles, I disappeared for like 2 months twice lol

[hollow inlet]

agreed

[low zodiac]

Burnouts valid

[hollow inlet]

I did some ss13 mapping

for a server

I feel embarassed at thinking ss13 mappping was harder

but no they literally have dedicated program to it

its amazing

[low zodiac]

Yeah Strongdmm

I fucked with it a little bit

[hollow inlet]

although ss14 mapping process does give you more control I think, editing and adding components

although I'm not 100% sure

[low zodiac]

The issue with SS14 systems is at their very foundation they are wizden code

Which goes without saying

Is very shitcoded

[hollow inlet]

we were never really given the lore to implement

also what does nick know of our internal processes

or what happened

was he even around for the old lore team?

we did implement some of what we did but there was a bit of entitlement too

cause setting up IDE is too hard or something despite me being perfectly willing to walk through someone to set up an IDE to do basic development work

and I tried to make this clear to lore team but also remember the total lack of communication

on both sides

lol

[golden veldt]

Apparently he wrote the original USSP lore used by the server, otherwise, fuck if I know. The guy was a moron.

He just liked to bitch to anyone who’d listen and affirm him.

[grand bay]

He should've been unless he left during that entire time period aswell I believe

USSP popped up around the time the lore team was around I believe

Unless I'm misremembering

[golden veldt]

I see Nick as almost a cautionary tale about not letting those who cannot take criticism write your lore.

He wrote some very OK lore but nothing truly worth reading.

[hollow inlet]

considering the only people writing the lore for USSP are

old lore team kinda

no idea

[low zodiac]

Nick was a 'muh vision' guy and god forbid anything not align with that

SS13 had plenty of those, still does

SS14 being no exception

[grand bay]

This is just like when Lenin was overthrown. We've come full circle guys.

[hollow inlet]

he definitely didn't write the "original" USSP lore

that was in fact the old lore team who cooked that up

he joined august which is not particularly impressive

[golden veldt]

Oh no, the OG USSP lore is like a decade old, I doubt he’d been outta middle school by then

[hollow inlet]

or rhater

july?

august

[fossil arrow]

Honestly, thinking back, the first time nick left we actually brainstormed a lot of shit both gameplay and lore wise, then he showed up again and it slowly devolved into what it is now

[golden veldt]

He is a regressionist.

Like, not a bad guy, don’t get me wrong I don’t hate him even if I think he’s a bit of a moron.

But by the GODS man.

[grand bay]

Oh so he reposted it and tried expanding it

Fair

[hollow inlet]

Also to clarify I'm not putting flak on ANY of the lore team members

any of them

at all

I respect all of them

I respect anyone who decides to volunteer their time to contribute for this shitty open source game

even if they burned out or things went wrong

lol

[grand bay]

^ has a firearm pointed at him by the upper echelons of monolith to type this all out right now by the way.

I've seen your Hate. It burns the soul.

[hollow inlet]

:3

bawk

anyways I take back what I said about being first maint outside starch I think solstice was a goob maint who mainted for monolith for a bit and then left

smh

[fossil arrow]

like, read from before here, then after

[low zodiac]

I mean I'm gonna be real

And this is gonna sound out of pocket

But could we expect anything else from a self styled 'Russo-Serbian'?

Guy gave off major tankie vibes

[golden veldt]

Have met some good self styled Russo Serbians, but they all have a bit of STALINISM in them.

[fossil arrow]

Also god damn that wasnt even that long ago holy shit

[golden veldt]

Nick’s only been back for like a month, yeah.

[low zodiac]

Trying to force the ENTIRE server lore to conform to his fanfiction was the wildest part of the whole thing I reckon

[golden veldt]

It was pretty funny that his returnee was heralded by no one and one of the first messages he seen was me going Fuck it imma play USSP as if it were a pirate faction

[fossil arrow]

Bruh my perception of time is FUCKED i thought there was more here, but this shit feels like it happened yesterday

[golden veldt]

[golden veldt]

It only gets worse as you get older…….

[balmy meteor]

My one time interacting with Nick icly was him going off about how he used to be the large and in charge Commisar, and Ace just sorra went "...Well Emeric hired me, but thats neat, good for you."
Oocly not much of an opinion other than he loved to whine at the drop of a hat over the smallest of shit.

[golden veldt]

Yesterday was last year, I genuinely don’t know what decade I’m in.

[fossil arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-gif-4679601

[low zodiac]

People who play characters and flaunt rank are more often than not self inserting a power fantasy

[golden veldt]

So true….

Yesterday I looked in the mirror and a child stared back at me. Today I looked in the mirror and I saw my father.

[low zodiac]

Granted 90% of space station 'characters' are self inserts anyway

[golden veldt]

Laughs in playing alien characters

The aliens:

https://tenor.com/view/dance-furry-cute-dance-move-gif-16336211

[low zodiac]

I just play functional people tailored to whatever group/role I'm playing

[low zodiac]

LOOOOOOOL

[golden veldt]

It’s true as fuck though you can’t even deny it

[low zodiac]

I can't and I won't

[golden veldt]

I got nuzzled by a Fox character yesterday

I KILLED THEM IMMEDIATELY

but it still HAPPENED

[low zodiac]

The only alien species I've seen to actually be interesting was like fucking

Hydrakin

They seem cool

Will I play one?

No

But they actually are

yk

Aliens

[fossil arrow]

Bro i remember that, he showed up like he was the most important guy only to be met with only me casually going "oh hey wb"

[golden veldt]

Was funny

AYY GUESS WHOS BACK?

[fossil arrow]

Very

[golden veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/crickets-crickets-chirping-silence-awkward-silence-gif-4144941840291649937

[low zodiac]

Lmfao

[fossil arrow]

distant voice yo

[golden veldt]

He probably wasn’t very happy with one of the first things he read upon his return being that I was going to commit piracy as USSP.

[low zodiac]

Anyways hoping I get me ban revoked tomorrow so I can organize some more USSP shit

[golden veldt]

(I didn’t, I just wanted to say that because I was pre-warned about Nick)

[low zodiac]

Running the LPB raids was pretty fun

[golden veldt]

How’d the great and burly Oleg get banned smh

[low zodiac]

I'll tell you in DM so admemes don't smite me

[fossil arrow]

Oh damn fr? You fooled me that's for sure lol

[golden veldt]

To be fair here I never actually did any real piracy as USSP.

It was just a really easy tell for who played and who didn’t

Don’t get me wrong, I definitely did Privateering. But that’s entirely based on fighting the TSF/PDV/other hostile companies.

Hans is quite well known for showing up unannounced to civilian vessels and asking if they’re alright or needed aid.

[deep jungle]

I do it often too, but to check if ship is dead in the water and if i can loot it.

[golden veldt]

[river nebula]

How does one get invite to IT?

[pulsar wagon]

Monolith Lore Guy is running the place, so ask him
It's basically what prompted this whole lore rant here
I get good input from the TSF people there, so having all the faction lore people in one place is pretty helpful tbh

[pulsar wagon]

I have to laugh because that was exactly my first and only IC interaction with him as well.
He stopped to yap at me while I was doing research, back when we were faction. Off duty Commissar, it was very stereotypical labourers are great, Comrade buddy, glory to the USSP type of stuff. Eh, not a critique, can LARP I guess

OOCly, dude tried to put himself in charge, in his old lore he was Polsanik or something, basically the USSP diplomat in the sector. The lore was written to enable diplomacy LARP, that was the goal imo
I was cordial when he came back, but I knew it would play out this way

[grand bay]

oh that's why he said lore team and not USSP lore team

doesn't the lore guy literally have a document with almost everything in it posted that he considers as "good enough for public presentation" right now

[thin marlin]

If they do, where

I lobe reading

[grand bay]

he has his own thread somewhere in this server i believe

[pulsar wagon]

https://discord.com/channels/1329292619834069034/1459690663942553610

It's in here somewhere
Pending some rewrites tbh, Faction/Company lore is cooking at the moment

[grand bay]

Gulp.

@pulsar wagon

how do the USSP guys feel about that poll in #polls

[thin marlin]

It seems interesting

[pulsar wagon]

Personally, I'm not overly keen on it

I know it kinda puts us on the map again officially and I know there's people that would enjoy having a new home and get to interact with Civvies more again (and a lot of our players would give a good impression to new players just joining, we got the LARP down, and out of all the groups USSP is generally the most friendly)

I suppose my peeve is the enforced neutrality... I'm getting déjà vu here

But it's certainly interesting to say the least

[thin marlin]

It could be done possibly if CC was made as a domestic police force under the USSP, and the current company being kept as a stationed military presence

but then i guess the issue would still arrise of if camelot is raided people might go to CC and then be liable to the TSF raiding it

(though i think thats interesting and funny)

[tardy lily]

hmm, what faction should fill in the void at the new camelot if USSP will be housed at CC though

paycheck bratva?

[thin marlin]

i assume it would just also be the USSP

its just that the current CC staff are made USSP

[tardy lily]

idk, its just that it feeles off to have a CC faction in the new camelot

atleast to me

[thin marlin]

other way around maybe?

CC has a branch office in the new camelot

[golden veldt]

First time seeing the poll

This could be the worst change ever. Or it could be the greatest thing since sliced bread. And I hate those kind of situations.

[pulsar wagon]

Yeah it's a funny one
We just fought off neutrality

But now, it's neutrality, but someone is jingling Bentley keys to entice me

[golden veldt]

Don’t get me wrong this actually could be peak

But they’d need to accept that the USSP is a militant/remnant force-

Fuck

Would they even be a remnant force?

Would we just say USSP came back and fuckin’ is winning by claiming CC..?

[thin marlin]

i think both paths are good honestly

either we do get more control over cc or dont

[golden veldt]

While I’m like

[pulsar wagon]

If both were to exist, the Military offshoot would need to be deserter/PMC coded

[thin marlin]

i mean uhh both results off the poll

USSP owning CC or not

and whether or not we remain a remnant

[golden veldt]

Hm..

We could have USSP “company” be changed to be the USSP Renegades. While CC would be the actual USSP that came back in to reclaim what they see as theirs

Nah fuck that

Would create to many issues with identity

Would be weird for two groups to share the same uniforms

And - everything, really

[thin marlin]

USSP scout fleet and ussp whatever CC would be

[river nebula]

the pool is basically- CC as EX USSP civvies

[golden veldt]

If anything Paycheck Bratva would just absorb the renegades

[river nebula]

remnants are the military remnants/hardline commies

[pulsar wagon]

I was gonna say, it would cause problems by association
Like, ok, let's pretend that there is no beef between USSP and the factions
What happens when the Remnants rock up to CC?

[golden veldt]

Either way, poll is 10 in the NO option, doubt there’s much point in pursuing this line of thought until after it passes or doesn’t.

[thin marlin]

police car vs armored tank

[river nebula]

CC doesnt give a fuck, CC is civilian population, the kind of people that dont care who governs them as long as there is food on the table

[pulsar wagon]

Real

It's largely a flavour change tbh

[thin marlin]

its a flavour change that i think would cause a few ripples

[pulsar wagon]

I guess I mean, flavour for John Salvage, who is just barreling through CC to get a Shareholder and grindmax for 6 hours
For us and the likes of the TSF, it's a big deal

[golden veldt]

USSP become CC ownership:
Yeah sorry fellas TSF is perma banned from CC.

[thin marlin]

every day the TSF can hear louder and louder USSP anthems from the halcyon

[river nebula]

talk to Voss on TSF

he will enforce it well

[pulsar wagon]

TBF, it's an interesting idea, if anything, it's making me question the possibility of more non-neutral stations
Or no neutral stations at all

[pulsar wagon]

It's inevitable there'll be incidents if this happens imo
Certainly early on, but down the line, who knows

[golden veldt]

The most neutral station of the system becomes Camelot*, as it’s just a melting pot of companies

[pulsar wagon]

Pretty much
Like I'm thinking of the Faction roadmap, assuming that happens, the main trading ports will be controlled by the TSF and PDV

So my thoughts are, just eliminate neutral ports at that point... And I just remembered that would mean murdering Camelot as well as it's technically neutral

Tbh
I think this is a wait and see kinda thing, I'm very undecided if this would be good or bad overall

[grand bay]

CC will highly likely remain as a safezone so USSP will likely be forced into basically becoming sec

personally i think it'd be better if USSP sticked with Camelot/another station cause that would mean you'd get to interact with them outside of when you're at central or got arrested and handed over or something

there's probably better ways to go about whatever it is that made them think about putting USSP on central

[pulsar wagon]

True, that's basically how it feels
I'm still convinced making CC more sovlful would just be a case of showing that the more commercial companies are bank rolling CC
Or hell give it to DI or UI, I think it fits their remit and motivations better
-# by making it a tax haven

[old zenith]

Well, they are already trying to expand security to a sector wide force. So, if USSP becomes the CC authority, they won't be as isolated or as powerless as CC, I assume.

[fossil arrow]

Damn, this is a tough one. On one hand this is pretty much what i hoped for (USSP being the military force of the civs) + cc actually getting lore relevance instead of just weirdly existing for no real reason, and we'd get a lot more rp from having more than 5 people around but on the other hand we'd loose a lot of freedom that we got from being a company and our ships and drip might become locked to the sec/overseer roles

[lean basin]

4 months since i last played here and the USSP drama is still going strong lmao

[golden veldt]

Nicks gone so drama is too

[lean basin]

Glory to the USSP

[golden veldt]

Glory greatest

[violet cloak]

I've gone back and forth on the question in #polls for most of the day. I think we would lose more by being the owners of CC than we would gain. War ops have been miraculous for morale and we would be pushing away people that would otherwise be working for CC

Not to mention the possibility of losing access to USSP ships and drip outside of sec roles

If there was a Voinik-Sec role that enforced TSF/PDV not shooting civvies (patroling space rather than CC proper) then my answer would change

[golden veldt]

Would be infinitely better for the server if anyone else got it

[carmine crown]

Kudzu Inc.

USSP should for real gain that Renegade / Lost army vibe since maints clearly just want to creampie over tsf.

USSP gaining their own Jupiter equivalwnt would be fire.

like a defeated and patchworked wyvern 👀

[low zodiac]

Fun USSP round that was y'all

[pulsar wagon]

Yeah, what Grok said, the USSP civil war is over

Things have actually picked up for us in that time... 4 months ago, was... When did we get removed as a faction?

Now, we have embraced the Remnant angle, USSP doesn't have a set goal in the sector anymore, but are still relatively united because of the shared culture

We also been on and off participating in the faction war, bolstering PDV numbers usually
The drama was over Nick trying to railroad us into being the good guys and basically retcon the faction wars. We said nuh uh, he said reeee and crashed out

[pulsar wagon]

You guys claimed LPB right?
Camelot's cooler edgier cousin that smokes behind the bikeshed

[low zodiac]

Correct

We even had 2 Burans at one point

Plus a fully fleshed out RnD, plenty of mats

gear

USSP was eating good

Also fucked up some ADS too

[low zodiac]

What do you mean the Union are the good guys and all of our opponents are objectively evil

[pulsar wagon]

Yes comrade, and if there are any Commissars listening they misheard me
I like not being in the Gulag LABOUR COOPERATION SITE

[low zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

I like openly propagating the USSP as the good guys and servants of the people while lowkey committing a little piracy on the downlow

(Smuggling too)

I try to do both good and bad though

Biggest thing I do is try to hunt ADS if I am running a combat ship

Or setting up LPB as our faction base for the round

[river nebula]

Can we ditch the nick discussion? Tankie gone time to move along

[pulsar wagon]

Yeah sure
I think Travis was around for all that prior stuff, so I'm bringing them up to date

Moving along
Here's an idea I saw, Jupiter, but USSP...

I think that could be kino, potentially
It fits our current theming pretty well, the USSP being a mobile force helps explains why the TSF haven't deleted us

[golden veldt]

Jupiter is a shitass ship I wouldn’t use that for anything but ramming

[fossil arrow]

obviously we wouldn't use the Jupiter specifically, but the idea of a mobile ship base is cool, i originally suggested it be a massive retrofitted military cargo ship, like one of the cargo bays being reworked into a bar or something

[pulsar wagon]

Those kind of ships exist in Para lore, large logistics ships that are designed to move basically everything, including people

This is very much ideasguying, there would be mapping, roles would be needed again so only USSP can spawn on it (unless it's not a spawn point)

There's also the same problems as Jupiter. I don't need to go into that

[thin marlin]

dont understimate the jupiter, that in close quarters shreds

having 8 draupnirs facing one direction unsurprisingly does wonders

[golden veldt]

Love me draupnirs, don’t get me wrong. They’re great if a ship gets to close but they shouldn’t be its primary weapon outside of the few 90mm’s(?)

But the Jupiter is just huge for no reason, its weaponry is obviously designed for ramming in mind even if the design isn’t amazing for it.

If a ship is getting that close, they’re gonna ram you

[low zodiac]

It would kinda fit our lore as a failed expeditionary fleet

Make it a militarized colony ship, kinda like the spirit of fire from halo

[pulsar wagon]

That's my thinking alright, a high pop round with basically a mobile base with a shipyard would be so peak.

FTL the carrier in somewhere, spawn some ships and patrol the area around it. And when we have those faction war moments, throwing the carrier into the fleet would be cool

I've seen Jupiter get involved in bigger fights before
The most memorable was Jupiter Vs Wyvern Vs a TSF fleet, just out of gun range of Camelot

... It was just me and another guy at Camelot, we really should have opened up the guns on that battle, basically firing at all our enemies indiscriminately

[thin marlin]

pray for a charon range buff

its a bit silly that mass drivers are outranged by 255s

[river nebula]

True

[thin marlin]

not even minorly either... its 1.4-1.5 compared to 2.5km

[pulsar wagon]

My gun knowledge is so outdated
There was a time we 2 v 1ed a Zenith, in a Tayfun I think?
Zenith got it's gun upgrades like a week later
Probably not able to face tank that thing anymore

[thin marlin]

zenith reaper is terrifying

same range as a charon but just massively upscaled damage

[pulsar wagon]

Yeah, that's the one, the battle was pre-reaper
We ended up in a slugging match, it was probably the most fun I had on this server tbh, all these hits landing on our bow, and not knowing how much more damage we could take

God I need to play again

Ship combat is genuinely so much fun

[sharp condor]

Zenith’s main gun fires a subnuclear laser cast out to 1.4km range with 35 second cooldown

Neutrons (white balls of fuck you) are on par with the old kargil, in terms of per shot damage.
Sunders (laser light show) are very useless and barely worth it to hit with.
Flayers (Uber light show at close range) are fucking lethal and will eat you alive but only range to 250

[frank bloom]

Love me flayers

USSP mobile base is two tunguska bolted together

[low plover]

I fuck with that hardcore

We love mobile shipyards

[golden veldt]

We must purchase a Zeros (basically an orbital repair/food service) and put 4 Burans on it.

[golden veldt]

Rejoice the vote says no

[thin marlin]

by TWO votes

[golden veldt]

Still a no

[grand bay]

#1476670035618697257 message

sleeper zogdrones were woken up for the poll @golden veldt

🥹

only like 30 people want to load for me on "yes" and i recognize only like 12 or so of them

the others are literal Restless Souls awakened by the Ping.

[thin marlin]

close and reopen discord

[golden veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/megadeth-vic-rattlehead-rising-rising-from-the-dead-waking-gif-2578008837292292028

[thin marlin]

normally fixes it when the poll list wont load for me

[low zodiac]

🥹

[thin marlin]

buran update up

drakon either today or tommorrow

[marsh island]

what update does the Drakon even need

[thin marlin]

replacement

starch ship

or remapping

i like the drakon dearly so its going remapping route

refer to the fluffen post in wanted content for list of starch ships that need replacing/remapping

[golden veldt]

What did you do to my baby

[thin marlin]

nothing that will fundamentally change it

bridge was changed around to allow for solo play easier

very small changes to its IFF shape

[golden veldt]

I love this change.

Thank you Mr Bot Sympathizer

[thin marlin]

i have made sure all of its armor is the same, all its firing arcs are the same, its capability is the same

its just mildly in more line to what i want the USSP ships to look like from a IFF sight

well technicall, armor is improved, since the front window is removed since thats one of the only complaints from what ive read

[carmine crown]

Can you not?

Drakon as is, is amazing, only thing it really lacks are 2 large thrusters on the back and one of 220mms replaced with 2 Vanyks

Of all ships, Drakon is an absolute gem with some flaws to balance it, while other USSP lineup barely survives on lifesupport

[pastel drum]

USSP needs a large torpedo ship tbh...

a Drakon variant with Torp Tubes instead of 57mms or even in lieu of the 220mms would go so hard.

[carmine crown]

Take a look at Natisk, 6 ak570s, is good, but slow as fuck.
Gadyka = worse svinya.
Sekunda is good.

[carmine crown]

I crave for torpedoes, EMP guns and guided missiles

Like bro.. Give us draupnirs atleast...

[pastel drum]

I wish I knew how to map ships bc I had some ideas based on like, actual soviet ship designs to implement to the USSP shipyard

namely, a medium (Siebel or-so) sized ship focusing on deleting smaller craft (Draupnirs, spam missiles, maybe two 57mms)

And a Buran-sized missile ship that has only heavy missile/torp armament and Draupnirs for CIWS

[carmine crown]

Or, hear me out, 155mm gun, but its HE Flak

[pastel drum]

Meh...

I think having USSP ships be more missile focus would be nice, especially with heavier missile systems like the EMPs, Vanyks and Torps

[carmine crown]

I wish TOWs were a thing

[pastel drum]

since soviet navy was the king of missile spam back in the day

Specifically heavy fucking missiles.

[carmine crown]

I know bro, we have a missile artillery museum 4 km from me

[pastel drum]

Fr tho...

Imagine a Buran execpt all the big guns are replaced by Torps and all the small guns are replaced by Vanyks...

[carmine crown]

Vakyks would slap but be total bitches to refill with how janky ammo loader is

Torpedoes... Hard

[pastel drum]

Missiles got updated to always have base ammo type

which means...

We're back to missile spam

[carmine crown]

Wait what

I played like 14 hours ago

[pastel drum]

it got updated like...

9h ago

[carmine crown]

Bro what

That

Is so broken

[pastel drum]

Ehhh...

[carmine crown]

Also fuck femur

[pastel drum]

doesn't count for torpedos tho

[carmine crown]

Is fine

[pastel drum]

torps still need to be manually loaded.

ALSO...

Looking @ the code, it seems most missile systems got fire rate reductions to compensate

[carmine crown]

Pf Alrighty

Not complaining

[pastel drum]

Missile spam USSP tho...

the vision is real...

USSP larpers also gotta normalize wearing black berets like real VMF patriots

[thin marlin]

again, it needs to be remapped or replaced

[carmine crown]

Can you articulate why

Because right now this seems like personal decision

[carmine crown]

Right, so, they want to replace entire lineup?

[thin marlin]

basically

[carmine crown]

Also this

With the ammount of shit drakon has seen for its use, its pretty iconic

[thin marlin]

thats in regard to replacement

you can also just remap te vessels enough so theyre different-ish

look at the flyssa for example

all of the ships on that list need to be altered or replaced in some form

[carmine crown]

Ok real, I was too haste to say shit

I see now, sorry

[thin marlin]

np

i was going to go with the remap route for the drakon anyway and keep it basically as it is

[carmine crown]

Ngl, its kinda cringe fella decided to retroactively pull the plug on his maps

[carmine crown]

Even me and fellas didnt do that qhen shiptest downstream turned to shit

[carmine crown]

Ok thats actually sexy

[thin marlin]

eh its a little shitty, but a lot of them are old

and its a really good opportunity to update the line up

[carmine crown]

Yooo i realised

If I learn to make shipmaps on 14

I can port my ships from 13

We ball

[thin marlin]

i think shiptest ships have been tried before but they didnt carry over too well

mightve also been a mapper skill issue

[carmine crown]

Might have been true

Here for reference

https://private-user-images.githubusercontent.com/58668788/413644184-d325e4b4-2e3a-4329-9029-b78a58f494a9.png?jwt=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.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.N2rFrsHlJ_-yhgL32NwR9mLtyl1-ibI065gWaX87xTc

Main issue I think is gonna be power and thrusters

[thin marlin]

though reading back, i could give a go at a missile corvette

natisk needs replacing

[carmine crown]

Natisk is made for fuckload of missile fire

With like 2 draupnirs for area deny

[golden veldt]

the best USSP ship is the Mudskipper

[carmine crown]

Unfortunately, trvth

But, mudskipper is really good

[glass falcon]

It be fact

[low zodiac]

PSU-13 Katyusha

[carmine crown]

I want 40 tubes with guided EMPHE 122mm missiles.

Reason?

||I want tsf cry about it||

[low zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/katyusha-gif-18144996

[pastel drum]

Slava...

Something that fits the niche of a Tarantul...

4 torp tubes on the sides, 2 draupnirs at the back and one 90mm or 57 at the front would go insanely hard.

[carmine crown]

It works both ways btw

[thin marlin]

Small bug with the drakon, whenever i load grid it also makes two outer reach drones lodged inside it

It does not do this when buying it from a shipyard though so i guess its fine

Only the drakon seems to do this

And i have no clue why

[tardy lily]

isnt it in some way linked to the drone?

or the drone to the drakon

[pulsar wagon]

... I'm sure it's fine
Slop code? Not here sir everything working as intended

[thin marlin]

No clue, it was mapped entirely from scratch

I can be trusted with technology

[pulsar wagon]

I'm sure we can EA sense of reward this away
2 drones spawn in your ship? Just frag them, free mats, etc.

[thin marlin]

Both of the drones that get spawned are inside the drakon AME room

Very angrily vibrating as they try to escape

[golden veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/road-and-track-supercharger-explosion-engine-explosion-gif-19829320

[carmine crown]

https://tenor.com/view/eevee-evolution-sylveon-meme-grab-kidnap-gif-17858761066203665045

They deserved it

[river nebula]

Id be all for leaving drakon as the most iconic one

Ale using the remapp as drakon MK.2

Or whatever

[thin marlin]

My latest image of the interior is basically what it looks like still

Which is uhhh

Somewhere

There we go

Honestly i STILL hate the look of the docking areas but i just cannot get them to look nice

Back thrusters were also replaced with larges

Mainly what i wanted to alter about the drakon was giving it some more reverse thrusters

And spread them out so theyre less likely to be all destroyed immediately

And obligatory IFF update for those swanky lines

[golden veldt]

Hot

[thin marlin]

drakon pr up

boy oh boy i sure hope i didnt break anything!

or made some silly easily avoidable mistake!

[violet cloak]

My peregrine

Excited to take the new drakon for a spin. Literally in the case of drone hunting

[thin marlin]

what if i did great evils

[golden veldt]

You.. you wouldn’t…

[thin marlin]

strip all of the armor away...

high mobility charon vessel

though i might need to increase its size a bit

[golden veldt]

All I ask is you add a single Ratvar plushie to it 😉

[flat lodge]

Saw the new drakon. Im glad its still the drakon

[carmine crown]

Akhem, what if.

B A E G

But it has spaced 1 tile plastitanium shield over its front and to the right side, with charon on the left

[thin marlin]

Thats the idea

Its current gun loadout is 2x asm 302 2x57mm and a charon

[pulsar wagon]

Random lore tidbits I made whilst on a very exciting webinar
#premium message

I also drafted the initial orders given to the USSP Navy by the Grand Admiral for their operation in Colossus

I'm going to draft the orders given to the Grand Admiral, to illustrate how the truth gets diluted down the chain of command

It establishes a few key details, like the name of the fleet and the Naval Infantry Battalion most faction players would have been a part of

All this will be shared, soon (TM)

[carmine crown]

That reads like its sourced from reddit post that tries repharasing whatever warmongerring anti-communism microceleb ngl

And integrating paycheck bratva is just

That is not attempt to just bait or some shit

But if you need better insights of what Soviet Millitary / Government was in 60-89s hit me up

I am talking about the subtle and silent reality shared with expiriences among people

[pulsar wagon]

I mean, USSP is a parody
So is TSF
Parodies exist to be made fun of
PB are also pretty relevant, seeing as they are the only other group associated with USSP

Ultimately, yeah there will be a more balanced view in the future

The last guy writing lore was the opposite extreme

[carmine crown]

True, but what I have read is FAR from being a parody

Its just a mix of poorly made assumptions

[pulsar wagon]

The good aspects of the USSP are:

• culture and comradery, which we know about because that's LARPed pretty well
• Decent standard of living, so long as you tow the line
• Abundant resources

[carmine crown]

Lemme go on key points so its not just me being a shitass

[pulsar wagon]

If I were to say where some of the IRL inspirations come from, I was reading about the Iron Curtain recently, recurring themes seem to be;

• Denial of reality (state says one thing, reality is another)
• Surveillance/Police states, Albania, GDR, were particularly bad
• More positively, people under these regimes supported each other, speaking to real people who lived these experiences the reoccurring points were stability and a sense of community

[carmine crown]

• USSP GULAGS ARE CANNON (unofficially)
  Its alright, although the period used as basis already had well made prison complexes.

• Freedom of expression and speech is effectively illegal and heavily policed in the USSP.

That is too extreme, you CAN have your expressions, but they should still be coherent with main ideas from command.

• As a result, being a Clown is canonically (unofficially) the most dangerous job in the USSP. This has oddly, made Mimes far more popular in Union space.

Tbh, thats funny, battle mimes sounds rad.

• Military service is mandatory for all citizens, except for those that are more equal than others.

I would rephrase that, millitary service is duty for most, butfor the best comrades its a career.

• The political/ruling class are so corrupt, that the Paycheck Bratva are effectively an arm of the Government.

Fuck no, having capitalistic anarchists untouchable in the world of raging communism? At best, they should remain a shadow market, smugglers or very least "comrades abroad".

• Infighting within the Government is commonplace, most famously, 6 Autarchs suffered fatal accidents over the course of 30 years.

Ok thats on spot.

• The USSP leans primarily into heavy industry and follows strict design patterns, everything from hab-blocks to stations, largely look identical across Union space.

True.

• The USSP, has some of the largest munition stockpiles in the galaxy.

True

• USSP cuisine is famously bland, and potato centric. Hunger is the best sauce

Actually has roots from fine french cuisine, but since government limits what farmers make, people had to come with "1000 ways to cook with potato". Dont take inginuity from USSP.

• USSP logistics is largely contracted to the Paycheck Bratva, meaning resupply is a shitshow, where cargo constantly falls out the back of the shuttle.

Bro, USSR payed to pepsi with a millitary cargo fleet just because they could. How do you imagine capitalist pirates somehow have this much official presence in government affairs?

• The USSP holds elections every five years. Only one party runs. Voting is mandatory.

True

• Operating a ship while drunk is not a crime in Union space.

You would be shot, endangering party issued glorious equipment???

[pulsar wagon]

Those are all fair criticisms
And thanks for the feedback I do appreciate it
I'm fairly new to lore stuff, mainly up to this point I've mainly ideas guyed

I will say, we are on a blank slate with USSP lore, we have an opportunity to cook something a bit more nuanced and believable and that fits into the grimdark setting of Mono

[carmine crown]

True friend

And thank you for your efforts

[pulsar wagon]

No problemo
I will see about getting that order thing I mentioned in here this evening

If we are to start somewhere, I think establishing the story of the USSP in Colossus is probably the best place to start

Because it's the most relevant and probably easiest bit of lore to establish

[pulsar wagon]

Also, the book in question for those interested
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197909950-the-curtain-and-the-wall

[thin marlin]

One i agree that the idea of battle mimes is REALLY funny

two having paycheck being a smuggling/blackmarket group within the union is better sounding compared to an official arm

[carmine crown]

IRL Preambula.
Main thing that defined 60-70s was cultural boom.
Movies, songs, new formats that managed to exist within party message, yet somehow bring something new and facinating. This was also an age when people finally got to expirience civil life under soviet regime for first time since its formation.

Heavy industry and science are booming and grip upon people has eased. (Stalin and Berya gone). Lots of scientific advancements and discoveries are made, very early, but incredibily smartmade machines allowed people to glimpse other planets, space and the big unknown. This is also the age which soviet spacepunk takes inspiration from.

I think, current USSP image is outdated, and the reason why it got crungled from a faction status.

I think for USSP to shine, it should adopt the cultural and welcoming attitude, it should have more media and fluff, songs and art.

Heavy industry, science and economy booming would be a great basis to explain why USSP seeks to expand, however unlike before, It should heavily rely on cultural assimilation rather than just conflict. And growing and knowledge-hungry RND arm of Union would explain why USSP is ready to delve into interesting and new sectors, their industry demands innovation.

"Why yes comrade, come drink with us, let us speak of why party provides..."

"Our Great Scientists develop plenty things that work for decades! And if you break it, any schooler is taught how to fix it at school, no worries!"

Basically
From "Gulagmaxxing dictatorship" to "Very self centered culture that exists on a very different ideas from most"

Millitarywise, USSP should have unique weapons, because these RND advancements IRL went toany applications, from civil to military to space science

Great examples would be

Bakelite

Early computers and string memory drives

Civilian tech

[pulsar wagon]

Being real
Do you want to take ownership of the lore rewrite?

Tbh, I took ownership of the lore because it just needed rewriting, because it wasn't very good and there were a lot of differing opinions on what we should do with it. What we were stuck with was info that was contridictory and a mess

I'm happy to continue work on USSP in the Colossus Sector if needs be, because it's just a retelling of the circumstances of how we got to the point of being a Remnant force

I can get you in the Lorecord if you want

[pastel drum]

@low wadi ur ass might wanna see this btw

[low wadi]

wel lwell stalin won

[thin marlin]

changing it up to a smidge larger, felt too small to be a charon weilding ship

does mean i can fit in extra large thrusters

but GOD i hate making internals

current IFF without any radar markings

[thin marlin]

I think we should create a metagang of ussp mimes

I think this would greatly improve the larp

[pulsar wagon]

USSP remnants consist of:

• Mime Metagang
• Pirate Metagang
• everyone else

[thin marlin]

Gaggle of mimes invade your ship, forcefeed you a bottle of vodka and a potato before all jetpacking off into space

[glass falcon]

Mime metagang when they see a clown

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680954316554895450/1304441851108921456/mimingintensifies.gif

[pulsar wagon]

Mimes are officially the favoured form of entertainment in the USSP

We need to balance out USSP pirates with USSP mimes

[thin marlin]

man now i want to make a mime spec ops ship

specifically made for boarding

[glass falcon]

The ussp mime theater ship, totally not a spec op ship

[flat lodge]

I know part of this is haha funny mime but the USSP making a big deal of prefering mimes to clowns could be neat. I wanna see a USSP mime troupe extoling socialism via tableaux

[thin marlin]

im saying specops / saboteur because theyre naturally quiet

it gives it that space station touch of just being mimes

[carmine crown]

Fully made out of glass, even the floor, stealth field.

[carmine crown]

Heeeeelnaw bro, I am ready to give advice, material and some first hand expiriences. But refusing responsibility, is another way, to be responsible.

[carmine crown]

Pirate metagang should fr designate themselves.

Agreeing not to level eachother on camelot is okay, but imagine, you know someone is actively being a pirate killing civs, and at the same time comming to camelot, expecting everyone to just let them use collective production capabilities and RND.

Like, yes pirate chud, every single one of you thinks they are smart and being descreet

Another issue is meta nerds comming from TSF comming to camelot, buying svinyas, taking missiles and repeating

[thin marlin]

Actually please god blow up anyone doing that with camelots guns

“Insert x faction, you are required to leave camelot for exploiting our reserve of ships, you have 45 seconds”

[pastel drum]

Camelot is

not a safezone

just kill them

Any Asakim, TSF, PDV, Seccie or known pirate that shows up I just... Esc on and kill.

[pastel drum]

Who even is the pirate metagang, btw...

[carmine crown]

Not really my point, I am fine with whatever nerds showing up. Aftetall this is how it was on Baikal.

My issue is people playing shoe changing game.
If they want to play as USSP turned pirate, they should do so by fucking off from camelot. Not use it as base when there 8 other USSP who are actively tryibg to RP as decent folk.

[fossil arrow]

Ngl there should be a criminal spawn poi or something, maybe bring back and rework the rogue/asr base, there really isn't a good spot for pirates and criminals to spawn at

If you spawn at cc you have to deal with sec, if you spawn at camelot you have to deal with USSP

Both places aren't ideal

[pulsar wagon]

I genuinely don't know... I know Saints was telling me they cap a POI each shift, usually LPB and they are being painted as being part of the pirate metagang

It's all silly tbh, they aren't even pirates, they target TSF and POIs because it's LARPful

And it's what I want for USSP, the option to do shit like that. We can have mimes, diet pirates, STCs and station staff on Camelot, all being LARPful ways to play USSP

[glass falcon]

Indeed love being part of station staff and totally living a nice scientist life (i lie i die to horrible explosion in arti room)

[pastel drum]

Zigh... Considered a pirate when we haven't done a single act of actual piracy, just murdered faction playas and tards...

https://klipy.com/gifs/soviet-navy-navy

[thin marlin]

We need to dispatch the mimes to clear our name

[tardy lily]

[low zodiac]

Atp im convinced pirate is just a buzzword for ANYONE who actually engages in PvP that isnt faction TDM

'The hammer of the Union is USSP property and claimed, leave now or be fired upon'

'What are you some pirate? THESE GUYS ARE PIRATES AND TRYING TO ROB ME!!!!!'

?????

Ninja who the fuck said anything about robbing you

[carmine crown]

Oh yeah thats peak, honestly thats what happened in the times of Baikal.

People who pick USSP only to act like paycheck bratva and expect a warm welcome at camelot are the cancer

[pastel drum]

the so-called pirates

also engage fucking paycheck bratva on sight pretty much

for being dissident traitors to the revolution

LMAO

[carmine crown]

What, no.

I am talking about actual shitters, like, someone else

The group mentioned above, I have only respect

[pastel drum]

Yeah I'm aware, just saying like.

what kind of fucking pirate targets Mafia

LMAO

MFs genuinely just throw "pirate" around half the time bc they're salty and don't want people revived

[low zodiac]

Whenever I rock USSP, my focus is on:

• Drone hunting
• Clearing POIs
• Then taking ALL of that loot back to Camelot for other USSP/mercs to use as needed

[pastel drum]

^

[low zodiac]

After that its mainly just organizing the faction on an as needed basis

[carmine crown]

I sometimes straigh up ftl hammer to camelot, cause fuck looters, its USSP asset.

[low zodiac]

Truke......

[pastel drum]

Active combat operations/patrols only really happen when there's chimera/ADS or one of the factions being massive shitters.

[carmine crown]

Did that not so long ago, nd bros fixed it

[pastel drum]

that's the point where a fucking fleet gets assembled.

[carmine crown]

Tbh, I think USSP and ADS are kinda compatible

[pastel drum]

ADS attacks USSP and Mercs the most because they often don't have as strong of a faction behind them

and ADS just wants mindless frags for minimal effort.

[carmine crown]

Since ads doesnt care about monetary gain, prottects civies for free

[pastel drum]

They COULD work together, but instead ADS tends to target mercs the majority of the time.

which includes absolutely scummy shit like camping around camelot to jump whoever leaves the station

[carmine crown]

Personaly, this happened to me as well, but its a certain person who abuses their whitelist to ADS to frag without reason or responcibility

I managed to broke some peace deals with ads

One time I practically allied them

[pastel drum]

ATP it has evolved to actual IC supported hatred towards ADS...

[carmine crown]

Until some nerd decided to fire at wyvern

Using camelot

[pastel drum]

Like, I've slimed out asakim for stepping foot in camelot b4

and stealing our resources to repair their own shit

[low zodiac]

Asakim/ADMs are on sight for me tbqh

[carmine crown]

Goofy ah, but eeeeeh. I had more positive interactions, so few braindead shitters wont affect all the fun I have

[thin marlin]

Ads are a hostile threat to everyone, they will be shot down

[pastel drum]

Like, I don't mind mfs hanging around camelot

but the moment they don't contribute anything to the station

[thin marlin]

Asakim can be chill, depends on what theyre doing

[pastel drum]

and come in to grab shit the rest of the USSP/Mercs grinded

you stop being a prole and become a leech

and leeches don't survive in socialist society.

So it's on sight.

[carmine crown]

I once allied entire ADM Wyvern, they legit liked USSP and stopped even disarming ships. Some idiot, decided to shoot at parked wyvern "because you all betrayed and doomed us".

Camelot got leveled, thank you, 10 iq random chud

[thin marlin]

So peak

[carmine crown]

Survive and gain powerful ally with no downsides? NAAAW Private shitass doesnt like that.

Provoke machine of death and kill your entire faction base for nothing? - DA DA ZAEBIS

[thin marlin]

mmmm why am i such a sucker for long and thin ships

[grand cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cube-that-means-you're-gay-gay-law-and-order-law-and-order-svu-gif-16620660361075775443

[thin marlin]

it does mean theyre easily rammable

[carmine crown]

Akhem, spaced armor

We got ERA at home

I like how tunguska uses it and that one other civ ship

Its legit useful, I once got that one hotel derelic running, so I put a shield like rwall armor plate on front to go kill drones with it, got rammed twise, it held amazingly well

Unrelated note, can we agree to shoot scallywag ships on sight since pirates really think boarding camelot is for them lately?

[tardy lily]

Are they actively being shitters and just RRing without escal

[carmine crown]

It just so happens that it mostly attracts such people sadly.

Ship is too good for its price

[tardy lily]

it was nerfed as of now

[carmine crown]

Not all of them, its a spectrum ofcourse, but you will find most unpleasent people using it commonly

[tardy lily]

and its going to be pulled from the public shipyards in 2 or 3 weeks (Hopefully fixing that issue)

gotta finnish some stuff

[carmine crown]

I would disagree, now, for the price of 15k you can get a emp launcher and several 2 barreled 90mms, as well as vespas

[tardy lily]

wait what

isnt its price 120K?

[carmine crown]

Buy, take off guns, sell, get most cash back

[tardy lily]

mm

[carmine crown]

Repeat

[tardy lily]

il tweak the price, as the nerf wasnt done by me

think 150 or 140K

[carmine crown]

If a pirate wants to use something as overtuned as scallywag, it should be high risk (or investment ) and high reward kinda thing

Rn its just, mudskipper on meth

[tardy lily]

yeah.. it was originally meant to be in a private RSC shipyard for us to use, its in CC as a temporarry measure although i might move it to scrapyard

[carmine crown]

Well balance of that sort of thing is complicated topic for sure

[tardy lily]

yea

like, before it was 100% OP

with the tarynx and armour

[carmine crown]

I know

[tardy lily]

but from what you said to me, its basically acting as a shitter honeypot

[carmine crown]

I got screwed by someone who plays dirty around rules as pirate using one

Emp = you cant do shit

No counter if you RP while your opponent doesnt

[tardy lily]

mmm

okay..

im delisting it from CC and putting it somewhere else

[thin marlin]

Conflict on my monolith???

Yeah sure

[carmine crown]

LPB or some hidden poi would be nice, it would atleast require some effort nd not just roundstart thing

[thin marlin]

That does mean needing to act as stc which can get tiring

[carmine crown]

No issue with conflict, issue with players who actively seek it by chud means

[thin marlin]

No no, this IS conflict and i endorse it

[carmine crown]

Like bro, I ran into the same metagang of people who pretend to be civvies just so they can "" suddenly"" pirate you

Countless of times

Why shouldnt I just glass them roundstart then?

Because they gonna ahelp and call it meta

But when they pull that shit, they think they win by "skill"

[thin marlin]

Or i would enforce a strict no combat in camelot or its airspace

[graceful spear]

femur is even stronger

it has two toveks that will stunlock almost every civ vessel

pirates can pretend to be civvies because no one would like to have "frag me" note on their back

the best you can do is surrender to them and ahelp or report them if they frag you when you was complying

because not complying makes you valid for shit like rr

[thin marlin]

its all stunmeta

[graceful spear]

i would say it depends

you can just spend 10 minutes placing your gyro, gen and consoles in the middle to protect them from emps

also emps allowes me to board noncomplying spacers to kill and bodybag them for revival instead of fragging them and their entire vessel

[carmine crown]

Femur is goofy for toveks for sure.

But it doesnt have 3 large thrusters, rocket salvos, auto 90mms and 3 layers of armor.

Its a glass cannon, thats fair to me.

[marsh island]

anyone want to re-up USSP's coverage or you just gonna let it stay expired

[carmine crown]

What is it even

[marsh island]

healcare

[graceful spear]

its not glass cannon

[marsh island]

healthcare*

[carmine crown]

Oh right your personal thing

[graceful spear]

femur is extremaly tanky

and fast

[marsh island]

yer cap'n has yet to contact me

[graceful spear]

@scarlet mesa

[carmine crown]

Had to 1v1 Wyrm on my fav ship, I dont think ita gonna top it tbh

[graceful spear]

he got irl stuff

[marsh island]

ah

whoops

[thin marlin]

paid healthcare? in my communist economy?

[graceful spear]

maybe he will reply when he will be accessible on mono

[carmine crown]

That tbh