The Union of Soviet Socialist Planets

[cinder rapids]

That was retconned a whole while ago.

[golden veldt]

Retconned is funny being that all lore is unofficial by nature of staff not giving a shit. What exists is what exists in game.

[cinder rapids]

we used to have an appropriate lore team

then apparently Staff got rid of them all?

or more appropriately said

they just left because they kept being ignored.

[golden veldt]

And then they dropped half of the Monolith lore using ChatGPT and made most lore redundant

[cinder rapids]

they were a part of staff

yeah well
I wasn't part of staff but I got my lore approved and integrated by staff.

I consider that official enough to be considered the standing lore of the server.

no one updated the descriptions and flavor text because no one could be assed enough to.

even though I asked

like

5 times

[golden veldt]

The issue is that there is like 6 different fandoms lore bits and pieces everywhere and everyone utilizes what pieces they like. Such is life. Until we can compact the whole thing, shits gonna be conflicting as hell.

Also doesn’t help that like

Paradise USSP and this USSP just aren’t compatiable or even really comparable. But that’s what most players will go off of regardless because it’s the most well documented when put into a google search.

Most aren’t gonna go digging through a year old lore document buried in the unofficial lore section of the discord.

#1388798368771342438

Sorry boss, but your stuff was deemed unofficial because high staff can’t figure out why lore is important.

[cinder rapids]

nah there's definitely some

ya can look over-

one sec

#1429592341059997718 message

here!

me talking with a guy from the paradise 13 write-up :D

a lot of thematics and parts diverge but stay the same in the juice

[pulsar wagon]

Be me, John USSP. Have a boozy weekend, kinda ignore things I don't get pinged over
Let me check what my favourite Company is doing
150+ new messages

Y'all have a civil war or something?
Are we back on the direction piece again

[carmine crown]

Tbh, Hammer is good, but you need to buy frontal module for 90k.

Fixing it cost from 0-40k

But for real yall, fuck lore.
Just

1. Help eachother
2. Kill actual pirates and shitters.
3. Make camelot well defended and safe.

Larp or not, wont matter. Whatever fuckass lore current USSP has, having presense and shit done is what matters

[fossil arrow]

Ya pretty much, TL:DR oldheads from the faction days (mainly me and nick) vs newbie piracy enthusiasts from around December (mainly grok and bot)

Arguing back and forth about whether the group should hold true to what its been since basically its inception or become paycheck bratva but without the inherent negative consequences of belonging to an obvious pirate company

Y'know, until our reputation is trashed and we become "faction larping paycheck bratva" and get metagrudged by the factions

[golden veldt]

Nah, you just got Tall that likes to make shit up and talk outta his ass to start needless arguments over things they don’t understand.

Nicks alright though, he just fell for it.

[fossil arrow]

You can feel free to read it if you think im "making shit up"

[golden veldt]

I did, and countered pretty much every made up point last argument, got any more?

[pulsar wagon]

The schism in direction, in a Remnants faction (according to our in-game lore ), is like... Peak LARP, unironically

[golden veldt]

T’is pretty much the only way for a group like this to move forward to be fair. Even the schism isn’t even real, I get no push back in game for any of the things I wish to accomplish. Instead I get showed in accolades for leading the ship. But we got oldies that don’t play that want people to play a certain way. Funny how that works. Miss the old days, Tall?

It’s quite amusing having the fun police try and.. do something when they aren’t even really present.

[fossil arrow]

but please, enlighten me about how my summary of "newbie piracy enthusiasts from around December" who want to "become paycheck bratva but without the inherent negative consequences of belonging to an obvious pirate company" is in any way inaccurate

[golden veldt]

Thank you for making my point, you utter fucking dingus.

Christ, you are slow.

[thin marlin]

I know right

[golden veldt]

[pulsar wagon]

Just to throw in, I was around for USSP as a faction
So by definition, I'm an oldhead I guess
I really need to see how things are currently, I'll kill my Neverplayer status at some point

[golden veldt]

You better

[thin marlin]

Thats not even that long ago?

I was also around during the ussps faction status

[pulsar wagon]

I'm gonna LARP it as uncryoing without knowing the Company stuff

[pulsar wagon]

I think a month is like a year for Mono
So much has changed since I last played, I got one brief company shift after the change.
That's what prompted me to make those small YAML changes to add Comms, etc., because I missed the good old days

[golden veldt]

Rejoin us when you can, come enjoy the new and old, mixing into a nice synthesis.

Don’t let those that can’t comprehend basic progression sway you, things really haven’t changed all that much. We’re just slightly more aggressive than the “we must only just do the one thing of helping civilians and that’s it”.

[thin marlin]

Im poor and hungry, and that civ vessel is looking mighty delicious

[golden veldt]

Make sure it’s empty first, please.

But by all means!

[carmine crown]

You know your opponent is done when this is all he can

[golden veldt]

Fr.

[thin marlin]

Why of course, i will wait for them to start collecting ore off that aateroid

Then get to shopping

[carmine crown]

USSP was never pirates

Nor privateers

[golden veldt]

He gets confused sometimes, it’s okay.

[carmine crown]

It was hardcore mode if you wanted faction gameplay

[golden veldt]

^

It was “we literally gotta start scrapping walls at times to make ammo” when I first started

[carmine crown]

Pfff bruh

You dont know whatsup even

[golden veldt]

When I first started I had no idea where to start

Came over from basic SS13 essentially

Was confused as fuck with space combat

But have since optimized

Now I hit like

3 large wrecks and it’ll supply the round

[carmine crown]

Let me put it simple, ypur perceptions on what USSP was is very different from reality.

And you are better off being paycheck bratva instead.

[golden veldt]

Oh, you’re still on that, yeah no, we’re way past that.

[carmine crown]

Well, if you are offtopic why do it here?

[golden veldt]

You’re still feeding into Tall’s laughable narrative that we’ve changed in some large way.

We really haven’t

The core USSP is still the same, players just now are more cut throat in the way we’re an abandoned militant group left adrift in space and we gotta make our own way.

[carmine crown]

Then I stand correct.

You just refusing to accept, that if you push with piracy stuff, people will petition a jobban for you

[golden veldt]

I don’t know how that isn’t basic progression for a struggling group with limited resources.

[thin marlin]

Id probably argue we’re closer to how the asr works

Where its a mismatch of ideals

Under one name

[golden veldt]

I’ve been told through Ahelp and even staff jumping into this argument to call me based for what I’ve been doing.

I don’t think that’s the case.

[thin marlin]

With an ultimate common goal

[carmine crown]

Thats not how it works, a petitioned jobban with several people will do its wonders

[golden veldt]

They can petition, shit won’t go anywhere.

That’s a laughable statement

[carmine crown]

Camelot is fully operational, its supplied and fixed.

[golden veldt]

Go for it, make something up while you’re at it, might help your case because you got fuck all to stand on.

[carmine crown]

Only thing gone is intelligence

[golden veldt]

Can you.. find it? This conversation grows tiresome.

[thin marlin]

Yeah im gonna be honest, threatening to to petition job banning someone for not playing the way you want to play is arguably dubious

[golden veldt]

It’s funny arguing with teenagers.

[thin marlin]

Also, lol lmao

[golden veldt]

This guy doesn’t play

But has some REALLY BIG FEELINGS

[thin marlin]

Yeah, these are actual neverplayers

[carmine crown]

Pfff lmao, yall are just baiting

Weak tho

[golden veldt]

I think we’re thinking the same thing for you, man.

[carmine crown]

You are malding live

[golden veldt]

I don’t think you know the definition of mald.

[carmine crown]

I am either good at it, or you are getting baited too easily then

[golden veldt]

If that’s.. how you’re thinking your gonna get me with a GOTCHA

[golden veldt]

Oh based, new Camelot

[thin marlin]

Active camelot remapping to inhabit multiple groups, one of which is a literal piracy group LMAO

[pulsar wagon]

Basically
USSP is not a company driven by what it does but by background and culture

It has scope to do anything

The Current situation is, like it or not, we are a stranded military force
We are largely made up of unpaid soldiers, armed to the teeth... The outcome of that is kinda evident

[golden veldt]

[thin marlin]

This is why i keep asking for an insector lore write for the ussp

[golden veldt]

I love when people argue over things they genuinely don’t know what they’re talking about.

[thin marlin]

Since its ACTIVELY changing

[golden veldt]

It’s funny

[grand bay]

isn't that for blackmarket groups only ?

[thin marlin]

Ussp is included

[grand bay]

gulp.

[golden veldt]

It’s suppose to be a Company Base, for most companies to have a starting point.

[pulsar wagon]

I don't even know if this is replacing Camelot
... It is, right?

[thin marlin]

It is, i believe

[grand bay]

i don't think so

[thin marlin]

Im… not too pleased on its design?

[grand bay]

from what i've read it's mainly for blackmarket groups and afaik USSP isn't one

[thin marlin]

Feels too spikey for a station

But, its free mapping so ill take what happens

[golden veldt]

I was told that it was going to be the Company Spawn spot that would have a space for the majority of companies that actually have sprites in game.

[thin marlin]

Straight from fluffen

So as far as i can tell without actually asking the people working on it, this is a camelot rework

[golden veldt]

^

I haven’t had any input on the new Camelot design but uh

Looks weirdly spikey

[thin marlin]

Thats my main and only gripe

[golden veldt]

Even so, I kind of like the makeshift slapstick feel of it.

[thin marlin]

Sea urchin looking ass

[golden veldt]

But yeah, weirdly spikey

[thin marlin]

No yeah thats kinda awesome, and if i were to put forward a camelot of my own id probably go with something similar

Blackmarket shanty town built off a small USSP owned asteroid or something

[golden veldt]

I can see this having issues with the gunnery server shooting the station due to proximity.

Due to jutting out spikes

[thin marlin]

It shouldnt

Itd just limit gun firing arcs

[golden veldt]

It probably won’t, but my paranoid ass would think I would point blank charron someone

[grand bay]

@tardy lily herro

is it replacing camelot

[golden veldt]

[tardy lily]

am i about to get lynched

[thin marlin]

The hammers are prept

[tardy lily]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-looking-up-willem-dafoe-willem-dafoe-blue-willem-dafoe-meme-meme-gif-10294496856248602941

[cinder rapids]

what have you done...

[grand bay]

does it replace camelot

[golden veldt]

New (Spikey) Camelot.

[grand bay]

I Weep.

[thin marlin]

Name it back to baikal!!! (Please god i like baikal so much better)

[tardy lily]

but like im fine with passing the map file around to mappers of each company to have theyr own take (but please, for the love of god dont fuck with the modules of other companies or i WILL get your IP)

[pulsar wagon]

We should call this POI Fraggle Rock
Sevastopol gonna look like a DMZ in comparison

[tardy lily]

peak

[golden veldt]

Mr Corrupt plz leave a funny ID Console circuit board somewhere on the station so I can start assigning people roles

[tardy lily]

everything will come with time

[golden veldt]

[tardy lily]

im just

[golden veldt]

Doing gods work

[tardy lily]

suffering burnout while being addicted to mapping

[golden veldt]

Ratvar is proud of his mapper child

[thin marlin]

So real!!!

I know exactly how you feel

[pulsar wagon]

My only request for the new POI is to make sure we keep the USSP vendor, nerfed if needs be
Access restrictions for companies would be good too, but requires a good bit of YAML slop

[carmine crown]

Tbh, with as much shit we managed to talk about this

[tardy lily]

every feature that camelot has will be ported over to the new one

[thin marlin]

Even the Thanatos?

[tardy lily]

USSP shit will be in this bad boi right here

[tardy lily]

nah, triple charon on the front

because it will be abile to move, very fucking slowly

[carmine crown]

I wouldnt mind USSP becoming whats happening.
But there should be an option to clearly identify yourself as loyalist.

Because having people use USSP IFF for piracy, while others are exact oposite is shitty

Also, USSP milfab need to become station item

[tardy lily]

heard of paycheck bratva?

its basically USSP but with extra piracy

[thin marlin]

Ive always seen paycheck as a smuggling ring, less so rogue military piracy

[carmine crown]

Thata the issue, people use USSP iff anyways.

[thin marlin]

Local fent dealer

[carmine crown]

My only real issue, is people creating distrust, while you are trying to build it.
Ruining it is easier than building

[thin marlin]

Personally i think thats interesting? Makes the ussp more morally vague

[tardy lily]

like, if i see that one mapper put 2000 stacks of plastitanium i will delete that and move on

[carmine crown]

Its not interesting if you are not on privateering end of it

[tardy lily]

oh

[thin marlin]

Its not like militaries havn’t actively participated in looting before

[carmine crown]

You miss my point

[thin marlin]

The reputation of us should be propaganda, and our actions though sometimes good and defending of civilians. Wartime looting also happens

Its like camelot having the prisoner fighting pit instead of an actual prison/brig

[carmine crown]

Having a rogue millitary force split is okay, but this puts people like me, who dont want to just be pirates USSP in a very bad position.

I would have people make so much shit, that the moment I come to help someone, I will get glassed because others created assumptions

So I will have 2 options

[thin marlin]

Risk of associating with space soviets

[carmine crown]

Its not

[thin marlin]

Now is

[carmine crown]

Too bad, because I will just glass such people

If I cant stop them, I will prevent them

[thin marlin]

Times are a changing old man

[pulsar wagon]

Conflict = Plot

[carmine crown]

Means nothing

[thin marlin]

I should probably engage in more looting as ussp

[tardy lily]

just wana ask, how ur feelin on mapping the USSP side of the station?

[thin marlin]

But if there are pirate groups like VG going about, then yeah ill probably engage them

[pulsar wagon]

Bot is our resident mapper
Mapping would be a first for me

[tardy lily]

ah

hold up..

[thin marlin]

Oh uhh

[pulsar wagon]

I'm a YAML chud

[thin marlin]

My personal iffs are more cyrexa, no laser and less bofors

[tardy lily]

can you make a custom shipyard console for RSC? i beg

[grand bay]

by looting do you mean actual looting (pulling up to a disabled/destroyed ship and taking everything useful which may or may not include "rescuing" stranded crew and dropping them off at central) or pirating (pulling up to a guy and shooting him down/making demands for materials and such)

[thin marlin]

First one yes

Though i might engage the second to faction members

[grand bay]

i mean that sounds Fine

generally

as long as you don't aggro the whole ass fleet of either faction screwing over the rest of USSP

[tardy lily]

also, another feature: company infighting,competing with others at the new camelot

[thin marlin]

Shift start big leady goes brrr

[tardy lily]

other guy pissed you off? make a crater in his dome!

[thin marlin]

Poor poor UI worker in a pilot voidsuit watching 4 gauge pellets rain down a corridor

[tardy lily]

but of course, escalation is required, with a proper reason other than: he hurt my feelings!

so it wont just be a fragfest

[thin marlin]

Humble shortband “THIS IS YOUR WARNING TO SURRENDER, ENEMIES OF THE UNION”

[grand bay]

old hullrot Freeport conflicts were Hellish

[thin marlin]

I assume hullrot is just waking up to be shivved by several homeless people

[tardy lily]

true..

[thin marlin]

And thats your round

[grand bay]

we had all 3 factions except for interdyne killing eachother for like a month in a row

[tardy lily]

but il add a proper death arena where all bets are off, acting as the main room to frag in

[grand bay]

not at all

it kind of used to be like that

[golden veldt]

People don’t understand the difference between Pirate (someone who actively hunts civilians/merchant or rarely military for their cargo/to kill/have fun/be societal outcasts)
And
Privateering or Corsiers (the act of a legal warfare where the government would sanction privately owned ships to damage enemy supply lines/do damage to military forces/survive on the waves through plundering. In our case, Civilian and Expeditionary ships aren’t attackable targets unless they are derelict. But Military vessels aren’t free game.)

They see Privateer and shit their pants

[tardy lily]

i just, cant wait for PDV to hire all of the companies at new camelot and watch as halcyon gets pounded by 3 charons

[golden veldt]

I’d be the first one to jump on that deal

PDV is based

[tardy lily]

im still thinking about the rules for actually moving the entire station around..

eather:

• have a central ish minority in charge of day to day maintinance/operation
• Make a council with 1 member of each company representing them and then deciding on the plan via a vote

[golden veldt]

Probably best to keep it stationary. Give it an anchor but make it something that can be taken off the station with a few good lattice cuts

Don’t do that

[tardy lily]

i was thinking of like hardcapping its speed to 20 or 30 and giving it a 5 minute FTL cooldown

so if youre FTLing into combat you will eather win or get turned into a scrap heap

plus, add in the backlash from other companies if you decide to FTL it right next to a enemy fleet like a dumb dumb

[golden veldt]

I feel like this will case so much malding

do it

Rams the Halcyon with New Camelot

https://tenor.com/view/sheep-gif-4520105

[tardy lily]

then proceeds to deal almost no damage because its slow as fuck

[golden veldt]

Piece by piece

PIECE. BY. PIECE.

[thin marlin]

I think this will be an interesting change

And i am all for it

But yeah for guns on the ussp, more cyrexa

Kill bofor, we are number 1 cyrexa lover

[golden veldt]

gonna fly Camelot 40km out and make us untouchable

[tardy lily]

im going to give you the file to map your own module

if youve mapped for USSP

[thin marlin]

Oh sure

[tardy lily]

theres just 1 rule

dont mess with the other faction modules on the edge

central module is fair game

[thin marlin]

Going to hide pipebombs in the walls

[tardy lily]

i will kill you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371284325647126569/1429548636865560777/kills.gif

[golden veldt]

First day of New Camelot

Every shift begins with Ullman being blown off the station

[tardy lily]

fun

[golden veldt]

[tardy lily]

and like, i WILL check every fuckin chest/container in the faction modules

to make sure that there isnt any OP/admin only stuff

[thin marlin]

The nefarious throngler in a plant pot

[tardy lily]

nuh uh

[golden veldt]

All I ask is at least 1 Commissar suit is provided so one nerd can larp as our leader. @thin marlin

[pulsar wagon]

Potentially
I can't imagine it's too different from other consoles

[tardy lily]

just steal the sprite from the black market or exped console and do the yaml

[thin marlin]

Possibly, maybe

[tardy lily]

also bot, start thinking of the layout

i can send you the module directly

@thin marlin enjoy the file

[thin marlin]

Scrumptious

I will work on this as soon as i get home

[tardy lily]

surrounding hull

[tardy lily]

no need to be super detailed, ive just sent it so you can think of the layout, deco and other bits

you will have to map it again on the main file as i dont know how to merge 2 grids together

[thin marlin]

Unfortunately cant

Once grids are seperate they are forever

[tardy lily]

damn

[tulip cloak]

New Camelot?

[tardy lily]

https://tenor.com/view/byson-yes-gif-21730475

[tulip cloak]

But what is it

I would like to know more

I hunger for knowledge in my atrophied brain

[golden veldt]

Camelot is becoming the Company/Mercenary spawn.

Each Comapny will have a piece of Camelot.

I will detonate Paycheck Bratva section every round :smug:

[tulip cloak]

As long as we get the best and coolest and awesomest section

This is satisfactory to me

[golden veldt]

We get the smallest, most shitass, barely cobbled together section. It'll be great.

Glory to The Union.

[tulip cloak]

(It’s automatically the best and coolest and awesomest section bc we’re in it)

[tulip cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/stalin-red-flag-communism-soviet-union-communist-gif-23845668

[fossil arrow]

@tardy lily id say the major problem i have with the new station is it'll be an stc nightmare, 9 docks shared by multiple companies will be hell, and thats including the one at the top right that wont fit most ships

But hey, if its got a good vibe, spots to hang out, a and basically all the amenities that Camelot has im down

[tardy lily]

stc woudnt exist but you have a good point with the dock number

right now as its designed, each company gets one accesible docking bay

with 2 more docks acting as civie docks on the main module

[fossil arrow]

I mean stc as in the consept not people doing it

[tardy lily]

ah

[golden veldt]

Sad, no Camelot gunnery console for STC work? Shame

[tardy lily]

there will be a centralised bridge for operating it

but idk

i still need to fix the shipyards not spawning in ships because it isnt a station grid

ehh, il do fixing later

[golden veldt]

Could always just extend all of the company docks to be medium sized docking arms

So each dock can fit 2-3 ships

Or at least have the capabilities to spawn larger ships.

[tardy lily]

i coould.. but wheres the bueaty in that

[tardy lily]

it will be abile to fit any ship

[golden veldt]

My brother in Christ, its a spikey ball of death with arms

That is beautiful

[tardy lily]

fits like a glove

[golden veldt]

LIKE A GLOVE.

[tardy lily]

ever so perfectly

[golden veldt]

Betcha can’t fit a Ledokol on there

[tardy lily]

bet

okay

i need to extend your docks a bit

it wont fit

[thin marlin]

We have a lot of fatass ships

So much so i might make a buyable dock extension

[tardy lily]

you can make a dock extension directly from the module

up to you

[thin marlin]

Also i cant wait to have to awkwardly go through another companies house because our docks were full

[golden veldt]

Me walking through Paycheck Bratva’s section to get my Buran Capital Frigate which I will use later to destroy their ships.

https://tenor.com/view/starlord-gif-16078726973024671049

[tardy lily]

just merge em

do the funny

give them a single bunk

[golden veldt]

Merge? Imagine.

[tardy lily]

in a 3X2 room

[golden veldt]

We got bitches in here that are gonna cry every time the word Privateer is brought up

[tardy lily]

raid them harder, this is a combat fork

[golden veldt]

They might actually play the fucking game and try to lynch fuckers for that

[tardy lily]

tiril was hunted by every single merc, CC sec

[golden veldt]

Based Tiril.

[tardy lily]

5 mil bounty

[golden veldt]

And people have the gall to tell me that looting unmanned is the same shit as piracy. Smfh…

[tardy lily]

bruh

that isnt piracy

thats just looting

[golden veldt]

I know and it’s funny

Been in here arguing over semantics and word usage for like 2 days for some ungodly reason.

[tardy lily]

REAL piracy is when you stealthboard the crew, state your demands that they will 100% refuse, robust them, steal everything that isnt bolted and welded down to the floor, meatspike one for good measure and take a hand from each member as a trophy

Then wait for med to arrive and FTL out with theyr ship

now. watch as comms will blow up with mald

and now you get to the part named: Ahelp PVP where you have to defend yourself from some trails or mins trying to feed you a ban because the med player ahelped you (Note: this is satire and im not actually shitting on the staff )

[golden veldt]

See that’s what I’d be doing on the regular if I wanted to do true piracy shit

Have done some funny shit but nothing truly piracy worthy. Funniest one was when I captured a TSF Sergeant(?) alive once, turned on his radar, strapped a jetpack to him, activated the jetpack, locked him to a roller chair and threw him into space towards the Halcyon. Resulting in them using the entire station guns on the non-responsive Jetpacker infiltrator they probably thought he was. Funniest shit was the death message and sudden stop to the gun fire, the collective “oh I think we just vaporized the sergeant” over long range, was great.

[tardy lily]

you just gave me a good idea

[golden veldt]

Enjoy, my fellow warcrimer.

[tardy lily]

and do note that tiril is not my character

[golden veldt]

Throwing suits out an airlock works just as well, so long as the radar is on.

It’s a great distraction tactic

[tardy lily]

disposals cannon throwing suits into space

good idea

[golden veldt]

Ships being ripped to shit? Toss a single piece of clothing out the airlock, stop moving your ship, let them try to gun that radar down then make a break

[tardy lily]

wait for them to face the backside to you

then shove a subnuclear round down the rear

[golden veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/cackling-evil-laugh-witch-creeping-gif-5632950

[frank bloom]

Lmao
Good luck with the tesloose then.

You think we're gonna NOT rig this bitch to explode with neighbors like you?

Call me Switzerland cause this entire country is primed to detonate when invaded

[tardy lily]

D-do i have to map it?!

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-looking-up-willem-dafoe-willem-dafoe-blue-willem-dafoe-meme-meme-gif-10294496856248602941

[frank bloom]

I mean would you trust the guys who have a track record of not being able to boil water be in charge of the entire stations power supply

nah but in all seriousness I couldn't give a shit

[tardy lily]

tbh

im gonna do the funny

il do it

just have to remove my Burnout

But what type of explosive should i use…

[frank bloom]

Nuclear Option.

[tardy lily]

That could be

A funny idea

I know how to make a 400 fissile 1X1 nuke

Although its radius will be piss small due to it being giganerfed

20 C4 has a bit smaller radius compared to 400 fissile

[thin marlin]

pipe bombs rigged in the walls...

[tardy lily]

[golden veldt]

You better

[tardy lily]

On station beef is becoming a reality

[golden veldt]

The fight for dominance begins.

[thin marlin]

for each companies area, whats required to be in them? power? lathes?

[balmy meteor]

Cargonia will live eternal

[tardy lily]

Bare minimum:

• cargo bay/shipyard
• dorms for spawn points
• room for your lathes

Optional:

• armoury
• dorms/office for your leader
• science
• small galley

If you want to add anything extra beyond that then go for it!

[thin marlin]

bigger question, is there going to be a communual science area aboard the greater station?

[tardy lily]

Probably yeah but it depends if i manage to lock specific company research to a single research console, make the research server work simmalarly to the resource silo, where you have to select the lathes/research consoles to be abile to print/research company specific stuff

Think il add in a centralised sci rig for now, then bounty the feature i said above

[old zenith]

I mean it's not the only route one can take. You see it alot irl a occupying army exists and then leaves a separate regime roughly inspired by the other.

I so think that USSP company should be renamed and reformed into a completely separate new faction, an emerging local state/commune with USSP idealogy and perhaps rough support.

The best lore idea, that would support both your play style and everyone else's here is perhaps a collapse of the USSP into smaller states in likeness to the collapse of the Soviet union.

[old zenith]

I got an idea, if people are so worried that USSP is being misrepresented by pirates who won't play paycheck brava. All USSP loyalists just play paycheck brava and change the rep into being true loyalist comrades who fight pirates. XD

[golden veldt]

Ok

[old zenith]

The new multi civ hub of new Camelot or whatever seems ideal for the lore of some type of localized governance built in the absence of the USSP formally.

[thin marlin]

most strategically important room

wait holy shit i should replace the booze-o-mat with a barrel of vodka...

[tulip cloak]

Any comrades on rn

[cinder rapids]

..............

I can't even be mad

that's straight up

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-2088247993237804628

[violet cloak]

I think it should be starboarded

[cinder rapids]

I wouldn't even call that piracy

that's just

Peakium

absolute cinema

[pulsar wagon]

Grok flying away like
https://youtu.be/j2yCfIHFRhI?is=fJVmB_TQdLmNm8kc

And they say we don't have a sense of humour in the USSP

[pulsar wagon]

Good pin

[river nebula]

Indeed

[golden veldt]

[thin marlin]

ough?

drakon pr soon

this is not the drakon

[old zenith]

Lol, ye I didn't get the deal a out midnight co. Said they were basically pirates, but they will just board you take all your shit and leave you a crate of guns.

[cinder rapids]

what- is this?

[thin marlin]

Possible evil evil ship replacements

[cinder rapids]

I mean

which ship is this.

if you touch my Akula I'll destroy you

:D

you can make a new ship like a Akula 2

[thin marlin]

Sulak

[cinder rapids]

but the Akula stays

[cinder rapids]

wonderful

o7

[thin marlin]

However, i do have my eyes on the akula

No charonette means its use is kind of no longer needed

Which is a shame since i loved the akula

[cinder rapids]

what do you mean no charonette

[thin marlin]

Wow you really havnt played in a while

[cinder rapids]

what do you mean no charonette.

[cinder rapids]

please just - answer the question

[thin marlin]

Charonette is dead and gone

Same with the kargil 203

I think it happened with the shipgun rebalance?

[cinder rapids]

...Akula with Charon ™

:D

[thin marlin]

We already got the sulak

[cinder rapids]

I want smaller sulak.

:D

mini Sulak if you will

[thin marlin]

That uhh weird ussp ship no one ever uses with two torps

Thats Kinda like a akula

God i dont actually remember the name of that

[cinder rapids]

design points:

• it needs to have one GOOD long range armament (charon)
• it needs to be small, and fragile
• it needs to have quite fast and large jump range
• it needs to be maneuvrable, nimble and fast

[thin marlin]

I mean thats kinda what im aiming for with this

[cinder rapids]

• it can be piloted with one guy but it's excessively hard

make me this Akula and I'll love you

[thin marlin]

Literally all of those points

[cinder rapids]

too large an' bulky

[thin marlin]

Charon moment

[cinder rapids]

make it comically small

https://tenor.com/view/tamaslastlife-pixel-vt-pixel-vtuber-vrchat-gif-27285664

like this

This needs to be the Akula

[thin marlin]

Not sure i can really make a charon vessel smaller, one because of ship recoil, two prolly get denied

[cinder rapids]

If not Charon something else that can exchange it with similar enough qualities

as for the recoil I don't mind

it's meant to be played like a sniper and nothing else

you fire

you reposition, disengage

come back

[thin marlin]

Yep which is the design idea for image above

[cinder rapids]

too

fat

just try

for my soul's sake

[thin marlin]

I wont touch the akula for a while as i have the drakon to finish up and ussp quarters to do

Then ill either do sulak or sekunda

[carmine crown]

Sekunda deserves better medical suite

Natisk should get 2 drapnirs infront instead of ak570s

Cause bruh, 6 ak570s just dont work, they are fine as medium hitters, but on their own its just naw.
Having 2 draupnirs as good leaders/area deniers/flak would make it so much better.

But rn its just worse mudskipper, although cheaper

[carmine crown]

Pinhole.

Its drone exclusive gun, but you can get it and use as your own.

I would imagine a militaty would gladly rob ancient drones for good tech and supplies.

Its comical, good, but not op.

[thin marlin]

Pinhole could work

@trim rampart can the akulas missing charonette be replaced with a pinhole?

[trim rampart]

pinhol3//

nope

uh

it can be replaced with a bofor

or anything suitable

[thin marlin]

Hate bofor, number one bofor hater

[dawn crystal]

Bofors or cyrexa probably

[pulsar wagon]

Ok people question and poll time, tune in, it's a big un

There seems to be disagreement regarding the direction of the USSP, we currently have conflicting lore

The Company screen, says we are a remnant military force, left to our own devices in the Colossus sector, after the events of USSP as a faction. The TSF is established as being at odds with the USSP outside the Colossus sector.

The USSP lore thread, says we are a civ oriented faction, largely neutral, not hostile to the TSF, our aim is to help civilian elements in the Sector (I'll post the thread separately)

Basically, keeping it simple, the question is:

What direction do you want to go in?

There will need to be ironing out of details, option 1 needs detail, expanding and addressing why the TSF doesn't attack remnants on sight, etc. Option 2, requires an entire rethink from the TSF side of things, their lore acknowledges us as their ideological rivals and one of their big threats outside the sector

Poll to follow
Just to add, I'll likely be ignoring this until the poll is done. I just want to gauge opinions.

Uh
Message was deleted on the thread
https://discord.com/channels/1329292619834069034/1429592341059997718

I think people have the gist of what I'm talking about

[cinder rapids]

I still have the whole thing. but I decided pulling back until I see.

[old zenith]

I dunno why the post was deleted. But, with the rework of Camelot all together.

Than I think USSP is best positioned as a governing/leading body of the civilian populance of the sector. That we should reform into a new state, with USSP spearheading but involving all the companies.

Maybe themed as like some type of Council of Unions and now corporations as the departure of the USSP forced reliance on the markets.
But, USSP remnants being the vanguard of this new governance and acting as it's formal "military presence".
But, is tolerated by the other factions because of it's positive economical results.

[cinder rapids]

It was deleted because the new lore team was again being completely tonedeaf going with the "Hyuck, USSP is a superpower in the galaxy that lost to the TSF!" direction and I'm just tired of constantly trying to fight for something the entire rest of the 'experts' disagrees on except the actual players.

[pulsar wagon]

I just realised I made a grammar oopsie in the poll
Anyways
I'll be back to this in a day

[cinder rapids]

I still have it on me either way and I'll put it in the USSP discord probably.

maybe one day I have the resources to make a fork out of monolith before it steamrolled down the cliff

[dawn crystal]

Probably going to go in that direction

As in USSP catering to civilians

[supple matrix]

i think this is a nice chance

currently USSP is the only company that houses a wide group of civilians

in a kind of govermental way

shooting a USSP ship would suggest consequences because of their somewhat govermental formation

whereas shooting any other civ would likely have little to no consequences

a lot more civilian groups should be like this

[pulsar wagon]

Just to preface
The civilian part, is civilians in general
Not USSP specifically
Option 1, would also include USSP civilians specifically as falling under its remit

[low plover]

I'm under the personal understanding that the wider USSP fought the TSF but was forced into a stalemate that had them pull military support from the sector.

They gained enough traction in the wider galaxy to put some weight behind their ideals, and we were in the fringes and hard to justify supplying. The rest seems to me like a matter of perspective on whether you think the USSP is dying or very much alive. Considering there's been a few key battles lately and a whole lot of pitchforks being traded for spears, I believe in the latter.

Voted btw, long live the USSP

[pulsar wagon]

Ok, I think I need to clarify some points here, I think people don't realise what the consequences of this will be:

The Remnants is the USSP as in game currently, strained relations with the TSF that justifies our attacks against them, there is no specific goal, players are free to pursue anything, it is a continuity of the story of the Faction USSP

Neutral/Civ USSP, just works off the assumption USSP never fought TSF/PDV, your goal (from memory) is to focus on civs, fighting ADS/Chimaera, escorting Med vessels, CDM-esque activities. Anything outside of that, is basically FRP.
The only circumstance you would fight a faction is if they target civilians or the USSP specifically

And final clarification, this relates to the USSP in Colossus specifically

[low zodiac]

If the latter occurs will USSP see dedicated roles and such return?

[pulsar wagon]

Unlikely
This is still gonna be a company, although, I know Headmaint floated the idea that CC would be USSP affiliated
But that was just an idea

[low zodiac]

If this sort of lore rework happened then I think reintegration of them being a proper civ faction may be best, as you can only do so much in game as having them as Civ-affiliated but still indies that can technically still do whatever they want, people do not read and all it'd be doing is slapping a fresh coat of paint onto it

[pulsar wagon]

I think everyone would just prefer a revert to being a faction, with better support and mechanics
But as I said, civ oriented USSP company is basically CDM
Evidently, I'm not keen on this direction, personally

[low zodiac]

I personally don't mind the remnants vibe, though it would be cool to be able to narratively evolve it for the statics to where we can actually invest into becoming a faction again

[pulsar wagon]

There is narrative room, for the USSP to send a relief fleet
That's how the faction could be reintroduced. Autarch doubles down on securing Colossus.

Like imagine the Kino, just admeme in some ghost roles on a big USSP fleet that arrives, Remnant mains would freak out
... Anyways, I did say I'd sort of let the discussions happen... Guess I'm here now

[low zodiac]

Seeing the USSP come back and remnants being put into the akward position of 'reintegrate or double down' would be very interesting to see

And also actually gives the server an event to work with and build off of as opposed to the lore hell that it currently has been stuck in for months

[low plover]

I think you're an important member of the discussion! Welcome to here!

[low plover]

I do also kinda fuck with that...

Think I'm leaning more to a CDM-like role but I think this is something to defer to the majority on. I'm not sure it would be the smartest move for the USSP even if that's what we do.

[fossil arrow]

Imo the main problem i have with the remnants angle is as @pulsar wagon said, there would have to be a reason why the TSF, who would still be our enemies that we are actively still at war with, haven't finished us off yet and dont on sight us, also considering camelots going to be replaced it doesn't make sense for a small group of soldiers on their last legs who don't even really have a fob anymore to go "let's fight the infinitely more well equipped military that could erase us in seconds"

[thin marlin]

Iirc the in sector TSF are vastly weakened and unable to enter the sector properly due to drones

Else even the PDV wouldnt really stand a chance

Though i think i read this a while ago so its possible this is no longer a thing and changed

Especially if you go the paradise lore route of fleet sizes

[pulsar wagon]

It's a fair point, I do agree
What I do think, it can be reasonably explained along the lines of:

• avoiding escalation with the USSP as a whole, the remnants angle sort of considers that the conflict between the powers is slowly escalating in the background
• The TSF are preoccupied with the 20 billion pirates and the threat of the PDV, chasing down what are effectively insurgents, is a long drawn out process (bearing in mind, we are squatting in Camelot, USSP loyalists could be anywhere, including blending in the civilian population). Part of the proposed reason for the withdrawal under the Remnants angle, is that the conflict in Colossus just isn't sustainable

Also what Bot said
From what I understand, the TSF force is basically a recon/scout force, if we consider what actually constitutes a battlefleet, something like the Flyssa is technically a frigate? I may be wrong

I know Kane is working on ship lore, so that may give a clearer picture for that point

[pulsar wagon]

And just to expand on this
As a USSP Remnant, your character can absolutely continue the original mission that's a valid choice
Alternatively, you could be ex faction and take up a civilian job, perfectly believable considering your not being paid anymore
Hell, you could have USSP that are particularly vengeful against the TSF, valid
Or piracy, desperate times call for desperate measures

There's a lot of scope, the question how would your character deal with this situation is a good LARP prompt imo

[low plover]

Right! It seems to me like what you're saying here, or at least what I'm picking up, is that the USSP becoming something closer to the CDM in lore, imposes a number of restrictions and obligations on the USSP. An obligation to look after civilians, an obligation to look after certain governmental affairs, and a general degree of scrutiny for not meeting those obligations. As well as restrictions on things the USSP already does, such as open warfare with the TSF, which would now have to happen under specific conditions. Generally just... applying rules to the USSP.

[pulsar wagon]

Hit the nail on the head
My argument is based around enabling player agency

USSP as a faction, was never obligated to protect civilians, this happened organically.

Back when I played the faction, it was the freedom I found appealing, we seldom got sucked into the faction frag loop the other 2 (ASR/TSF) found themselves in round after round. It's what allowed us to actually go out and help civvies, fight ADS ships or Chimaeras, etc.

[low plover]

Fuck, I think you're right here.

I'll keep my ear to the ground and listen to what the others say, but I think you're right that it would do more harm than good.

[cinder rapids]

yes, it will have dedicated roles.

john neverplayer is really biased towards remnants.

even if more civilian catering, there will still be standard USSP structure

its just the difference between "galactic superpower" and "heroes of the people".

I stand by the people, personally.

[cinder rapids]

you will still not be obligated to.

it will simply be the player focus.

trying to say it will remove player agency is re-wording it to sound bad. Players will still be their own people.

we will still fight chimeras, and ADS , and have the occasional skirmish. it is YOUR portrayal that removes agency by coating the global relations in feces with the excuse of "galactic war" or "preset lore" that makes us hostile to TSF by default.

[cinder rapids]

no restrictions, no obligations.

just a different themathic than the current ongoing one

that would focus on altruism and cameraderie more than on "I HATE THE TSF11!!!!11!!1!1!1"

[low zodiac]

I really do like the idea of the USSP being the people's faction

Remnants left adrift to carry the mission and build something new

thematically peak

[cinder rapids]

I can send you the google doc of the lore

[low zodiac]

I'd be happy to read it

Could I get a cord invite as well actually?

[cinder rapids]

his interpretation of "remnants" is "remnants of a massive conflict with the TSF the USSP lost"

[cinder rapids]

yes!

[cinder rapids]

we will be "remnants" either way, its the difference between HAVING and NOT HAVING been in war with everyone else and focusing on faction/company fighting vs focusing on helping the people

[low zodiac]

Honestly we are sorely lacking a proper faction who can and will deal with threats like ADS/Chimera on a at least semi regular basis

So USSP filling that role would be great

[cinder rapids]

and thats the point of focusing on civs

thats why everyone is voting civs

ADS/CHIMERA is everyone's problem

but civs have to pay the most

[low zodiac]

How will playtimes to role unlock work for those who already have played as '''''USSP''''''

[cinder rapids]

I guess we'll probably just have ranks sorted internally as other companies do

[thin marlin]

As far as i can understand this is incorrect, the basis for the remnant route is simply the USSP withdrawing from the sector due to an inserted reason. This reason is simply to explain WHY the in-sector USSP is in its current state. Gameplay wise this will leave it more open ended supporting the original USSP activities of supporting civilians as a continuation of military service due to character loyalty, lack of faction funding leading to looting and possible piracy as people with their resources suddenly stripped away now need to support themselves, and more supported escalation against factions like the TSF as the out of sector reasoning for the in-sector downfall. Compared to the CDM/civilian approach, which I'm not entirely against but do see how it could be limiting it in scope of why the USSP are here in the first place, the ties we have to pre-existing factions and organisations as well as pushing us to the direction of the CDM which already isn't played much.

Im also just personally more of a fan of the ethically grayness of both supporting civilians and people who are unable to protect themselves, but also that as characters and people we need to do what we must to survive.

fuck wrong reply

image i replied a few messages up

[cinder rapids]

he opened this poll because me and him had a discussion about this in the lore discord

everyone was tonedeafly pushing the "The USSP is a superpower, and it lost to the TSF so it's pulling out of Colossus"

despite the fact I had already written the lore for the USSP and had it approved and legitimized by the previous lore team and they wanted to openly just throw it in the bin

so when I started deleting my things and packing up he made the poll

and now we're waiting for the results.

(and also despite the fact that all of the USSP players already know about my write-up and already prefer'd it)

[thin marlin]

i was more meaning to reply to this

overall i agree with john that i do think focusing on a civilian based focus would be a limiting factor and shrink what we currently do and have done down

with this line of thinking id be more inclined to map less militarily strong vessels as that wouldnt be our goal anymore as such

[cinder rapids]

Im also just personally more of a fan of the ethically grayness of both supporting civilians and people who are unable to protect themselves, but also that as characters and people we need to do what we must to survive.

I will say this is the entirely wrong mentality for the faction to begin with because our whole schtick is the fact that we don't use currency to begin with.

we survive with our own two hands.
Hungry? make a botany station or bundle up and share rations
Thirsty? Sink.
Need a ship? build one.
Need a gun? build one.

we're not weaklings that need handouts. we're not vultures that need other's junk to survive

[thin marlin]

except considering most of our gear is old, outdated and surplus which we no longer have a surplus on or the backing of a faction sized economy suggests we cant.

[cinder rapids]

we will still need strong vessels. the ADS is not kind. the Chimeras will not stop being a problem.

we will not stop running into disagreements with other factions just because we're defending civilians.

it will just not be forced on us.

[cinder rapids]

except the in-game reality proves we very much can.

you can be entirely self sufficient, as a solo, in a fucking arkensaw.

[thin marlin]

from where, from what

[cinder rapids]

furthermore,

we can still write the pull-out for different reasoning than "we had to pull out".

and we can have the same dynamic without the pull-out happening at all, as a minor faction

[cinder rapids]

From asteroids. Salvage spots. Derelicts. Vroids.

from research ships.

from expeditions.

from literally ANYTHING

in the game.

we can make ship vouchers in the USSP for a reason

you can make USSP ships without paying for them.

if you just bring the mats for the voucher.

and research the voucher.

[thin marlin]

is that gameplay wise or actual lore, if so why arnt the other factions able to do?

[cinder rapids]

they.. are.

they do.

The TSF just has a strict salary and budget

[thin marlin]

outside of capitals for most likely balancing issues

theres also the fact that we can still BUY our ships

[cinder rapids]

I don't know about how the PDV is right now but I know the TSF still has to research and get its gear.

we just do everything on our own. they can pay for things.

[thin marlin]

if this approach was true we would be using nothing BUT lpcs

[cinder rapids]

it's your own fault if you don't want to grind Lpcs.

you can and you're not forced to rob anyone for it.

which is exactly who we are.

as a faction

[cinder rapids]

while playing as Commissar, I would spend shifts working for a wage on cargo ships to pile up money, and then pay that money for my faction's ships and not make my soldiers spend a dime. In return the soldiers were helping me freely to begin with.

I have never in my life paid someone to do something for me.

I never had to.

It is simply the kind this faction is.

I'd say the poll proves it too

[thin marlin]

it may be does but explaining my side and view can never hurt

overall i just enjoying mapping and would like a lore basis that i can adhere and map to

but again, i agree with john that i feel like the civilian route is limiting.

[cinder rapids]

This poll will decide

If the people will it, and the neutral route stays, I'll assist wholeheartedly. if not, I'll 100% be pulling out from monolith as a whole, because I'm tired of 2 people disagreeing with 30 and then the will of those two following through

Or the opinion of someone from the outside of the faction making decisions for the faction ((it happened more times than you'd imagine here))

[thin marlin]

to add on to and or explain this is i would move to be more inline with CDM ships, having the offensive armaments but playing a more humanitarian secondary/primary role

[cinder rapids]

we would need at least 2-3 strong combat vessels
the Drakon, the Tunguska and one more would be enough

the rest can be converted into just that yes

for example I'd like our mining ship to be civilian

I'd like our medical ship to be a "heavy, rugged" medical ship with more focus on medicine

I'd like our "troop transport" to be a ferry ship for station-to-station travel

I'd like our fighter to be a personal vessel!

for example

just a general purpose mini-van

that's shaped cool

[thin marlin]

id have to disagree honestly, drakon buran i dont think would fit the theme

[cinder rapids]

us being a neutral faction doesn't mean we wouldn't be having a military or that we wouldn't be able to defend ourselves

you're going to extremes.

and misinterpreting the point.

[thin marlin]

no im not saying defenseless, im saying for the use case theyd be severely overgunned

[cinder rapids]

Overgunned for ADS?

for Chimeras?

Chimeras that constantly take over TSF and PDV ships?

[thin marlin]

constantly? no

[cinder rapids]

Overgunned for a still cutthroat sector with merc pirates going about?

[thin marlin]

chimera get curbstomped most of the time

if ADS is being an issue factions or companies geared towards ship on ship combat would engage them

[cinder rapids]

you're..

not getting the point

we are going to be that faction.

that's the neutral route.

we're protecting civilians.

not being just civilians

[thin marlin]

protecting the civilians doesnt warrent ships for active war.

[cinder rapids]

in a sector like colossus? yes it does

especially since they're locally produced anyway

if we can produce them then we produce them

[thin marlin]

then this would assume the CC security would be equally armed

but they arnt

[cinder rapids]

because CC security is right now ambiguous as to who the fck even are they

which we will sort in post

we're talking about USSP lore for now

[thin marlin]

who they belong to sure, but theyre still the main security force of the sector

governing both MD and CC

[cinder rapids]

only because that's a remnant from Frontier

MD and CC used to be owned by the TSF

and they're just roles like "sector police"

cops vs robbers frontier bs

that still didnt get figured out

[thin marlin]

itd be more fitting to arm ships either similarly to security or CDM

[cinder rapids]

the average civilian is heavier armed than the entire CC security force

and the average Civvie is still endangered pretty hard

[cinder rapids]

Security and CDM are both ill-equipped because no one knows what even are they anymore, I just said that

[void knot]

USSP remnants are heat...Train to Vladivostok type shit

[thin marlin]

its funny you say that as the CDM did get recentish anti chimera ships which is something you said would be a threat we would handle majorly

man how long has it been since youve played.

you are so so out of the loop

[pulsar wagon]

Because this literally happened in-game
We fought TSF and ASR
And regularly lost, sometimes won, etc.

The Remnants angle is the outcome of that conflict, the TSF could easily be in the same situation if it was a low pop faction

Basically, you're asking me to ignore the events of USSP as a faction. It's not the first time I've raised this point.

Continuity, is a great way to be invested in a story and a character, asking me to erase 3/4 months of peak gaming for the sake of lore is a bit silly

Monolith is centered around conflict, the Corpo war laid the foundations for the superpowers
And USSP isn't a superpower? What? TSF players consider us one. Frankly, it's the only reason we have an input into the greater lore. Do UNSA have a seat at the table? No, because they were not written as a superpower, they were never a faction and are seldom ever relevant

[low zodiac]

As an Arkansaw main, can confirm

I've bankrolled the USSP fleets in round several times just by running an Arkansaw crew

As well as clearing/claiming LPB as a fleet base

[low plover]

Gotta bounce, so I'm tapping out for now. I'll catch up in ~6 hours.

[thin marlin]

this is the current CC security capital ship

[cinder rapids]

when I wrote the initial lore out it was very clear that the USSP wasn't a Superpower anymore.

allow me .

[low zodiac]

This was based off the SC cruisers wasn't it

[thin marlin]

i have

no clue

[cinder rapids]

^

[cinder rapids]

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^

^

[cinder rapids]

oh damn! yeah that's adequate

[thin marlin]

again, i feel like your arguing a point when you dont even know the current standing

[cinder rapids]

I know security used to have only EMPs

and like a 20mm

so I was basing on that

[thin marlin]

literal months

of lacking knowledge

and development

[cinder rapids]

The sector may have become even more deadly

but my comrades didn't change.

Glory to the USSP.

[thin marlin]

the sector couldnt be safer than ever

[violet cloak]

As much as I love fighting TSF (I love fighting TSF and rallying all the voiniks in support of that goal) I think the primary goal of the USSP should be in gaining support through pro-social revolutionary action and I'd be glad to have my war actions restricted RP-wise to when TSF inevitably starts fragging civvies for being 10km from Halcyon and not answering shortband from 2km away

[low plover]

About where I'm at tbh

[cinder rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-union-stalin-ussr-russia-edit-gif-16432123930007423420

Glory to the USSP

[low plover]

https://tenor.com/view/lenin-vladimir-lenin-soviet-union-ussr-cccp-gif-18128544897993071507

[violet cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/mao-gif-25760638

[low zodiac]

Let the guns of the union sing a song of the people's victory

[cinder rapids]

URA!!

[tulip cloak]

“We fired 47 cruise missiles into Camelot station, but by then the USSP were out on a mining expedition and we killed the janitor”
-Exerpt from an interview with an ex-TSF intelligence operative

[cinder rapids]

URA

Glorious logistical win

make the enemy waste rounds

[balmy meteor]

Christ what a headache

[pulsar wagon]

I agreed with the lore at the time because USSP was:

A) losing all its players
B) Quickly fading into irrelevance
C) Had 0 original lore to begin with

I think you missed that I said it made a good foundation
It's good for an here's the USSP Para-esque lore page

But player attitudes have changed long since then, A LOT has changed since then generally

People told me they like the remnants, I didn't like it initially, but I've grown to appreciate it, it has potential, I've watched the stories that have come from it and they look incredibly fun. I took the initiative, people wanted to explore and expand on what we had to hand, so I presented my ideas. That's all I've literally done. I'm guilty of being an ideasguy

But I'm going in circles here, it feels quite unproductive tbh
Agree to disagree and all that

[cinder rapids]

agree to disagree indeed. it is the USSP community's choice

[balmy meteor]

Quite frankly man with how immaturely you rush to screech and tantrum over the littlest shit when it comes to USSP lore, Johns got my vote. Take your ball and go home if you wanna

[cinder rapids]

Whatever ya say comrade. My heart's at peace. we will see the final results tomorrow.

[balmy meteor]

Gotta remind myself a lot of teenagers play this game sometimes

[thin marlin]

old ass

unc

geriatric

[pulsar wagon]

I think I aged a year today
I'm also old
Unc status achieved

[violet cloak]

Happy bday!

[pulsar wagon]

... Figure of speech Slime
Try again in like 2 weeks

[violet cloak]

I know it's probably not actually your bday I'm being silly

lmao

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/431237299137675297/989855891983589426/ilubslime.gif

https://tenor.com/view/rfck-smart-slime-games-game-dev-gif-18387583

neuron activation at the mention of slime

[pulsar wagon]

Ok I laughed at that
My comrades all be goofy

[cinder rapids]

Teenagers?
lmfao

[cinder rapids]

Glory to our Slime comrades

[violet cloak]

Shoutouts to Rowdy Fuckers Cop Killers

for ruining my brain chemistry permanently

[balmy meteor]

Buddy saying you're an adult isnt a brag when you scream and cry and throw genuine tantrums anytime someone says something regarding the lore that you dont subscribe to. It is tiring to constantly see. The USSP is not just you, fuck, youre barely around in-game so we'd be pretty screwed if we were.

[cinder rapids]

I am not throwing "Tantrums", I am arguing against points I know are against the majority's perspective and wishes for the faction.

[deep jungle]

Being adult sucks, but at least i get the money for my wasted time.

[low zodiac]

Life really is one giant loop of wasting time huh

[cinder rapids]

real

[low zodiac]

Waste time at school to get a job

Waste time at a job to get money

[cinder rapids]

nah tbh I love my job

[low zodiac]

Waste money to live so you waste time at a job to get more money

[cinder rapids]

I'm not working a day in my life

[balmy meteor]

Nah man, ive seen you tantrum in here over word semantics. I work in an elementary school, the kids with behavioural issues are less quick to screech and cry

[hexed mango]

what is this poll ive heard so much about & thats creating soooooooooooo much argument

[thin marlin]

scoll alllllllll the way up

[golden veldt]

Some where, good thing we have a King so voting is pointless

[cinder rapids]

Neverplayer just made a poll for the community to decide whether we want the USSP to be a superpower losing and pulling out vs a neutral minor faction focused on saving civvies.

[hexed mango]

What neverplayer

@pulsar wagon or the other one

[cinder rapids]

^#1426817984432701521 message

[thin marlin]

correct neverplayer

[cinder rapids]

John yeah

[hexed mango]

USSP should be pulled out of the sector mostly but whatever

[pulsar wagon]

I wanted to gauge player thoughts but yeah
Not very USSP

Ironically

[cinder rapids]

I mean

you did :D

[hexed mango]

im sure you guys can go without arguing for like 2 minutes

try being friends

[low zodiac]

I wouldn't mind if USSP stayed homeless just so long as coordination isn't such a hassle

The issue with anyone being able to run it as a company is that.....anyone can run it, and most just don't even engage with anything

[pulsar wagon]

[low zodiac]

A basic camelot only role would be very nice

[pulsar wagon]

Friendship is the best ship in mono

[golden veldt]

There’s the USSP that play and then there’s the USSP that exist in the discord. It’s funny how wildly different they are. The silent majority are really at work.

[cinder rapids]

I mean I still consider John a comrade

[deep jungle]

I like victoria more.

[pulsar wagon]

Nah it's actually the Baeg
Battle baeg specifically

[cinder rapids]

I'm pretty sure the people that voted all play pretty actively.

that's unfair to say

[low zodiac]

This is true, I'm not very fond of Ideasguys who don't play the game being the one to yell about implementation

[cinder rapids]

I had my internet nuked sure

[low zodiac]

That's been the bane

of so

so many servers

[thin marlin]

but, i can only spread hate and misery

[golden veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/jameson-laugh-cackling-lmao-lol-gif-11834142

[low zodiac]

In the reverse side of the arugment let's do a little less ragebaiting and more actual discussion

Like USSP right now is.....in a decent state? but it could defo be better

[pulsar wagon]

... I was gonna say I fit that
But look at my pink
I'm a YAML nerd, never playing is actually a requirement

[low zodiac]

C*ders never play the game they make content for, it's a SS13 tradition and is just as true for SS14

[cinder rapids]

show me one person here that hasn't been playing except from me because of my internet issues

[golden veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-ray-liotta-laugh-chuckle-gif-17037631

[cinder rapids]

ok

so grok is just ragebaiting.

I see.

talk about constructive discussion

lmfao

[low zodiac]

.

I just want to be able to actually play as a group, no matter how broke or homeless

All the people who run USSP tags and then just never do anything at all

Are what irritate me

[golden veldt]

That’s what happens when you have a group that only exists to be the funny goodie goodie guys that don’t do anything besides sit on their ass

That’s what Nick wanted, yes? Civilian focus group that doesn’t do anything besides exist in the background?

[pulsar wagon]

Lav is around?
Who is Gaby

Rabbit also has a different take on lore

[low zodiac]

Most of my rounds I try to supply USSP with my Arkansaw and organize things like raiding LPB to turn it into a base for us

But I can only do so much

[cinder rapids]

I don't mind being broke or homeless personally

My main gripe is forcing conflict with factions through making background lore USSP a "big player" while it having no impact inside the actual game.

like, what use is the fact the USSP is a "galactic superpower" outside of the colossus, if in the collossus the USSP is a company and the title only puts an active "Murder these" sign on our foreheads for every other faction

[cinder rapids]

no...?

[golden veldt]

You’re Oleg, you’re good shit.

[cinder rapids]

have you read anything I've said.

like

anything

[low zodiac]

Affirm

[golden veldt]

Yes and it’s super hug boxey and lacks any flavour

Shits boring

[cinder rapids]

us fighting the ADS, Chimeras, and other factions to protect civilian interest

while having the liberty to be neutral if we want to

is uh

hugboxy?

[golden veldt]

people actually doing that

[thin marlin]

yeah fairly

[golden veldt]

And yes

Very hug boxey

[cinder rapids]

...actual brain damage.

[thin marlin]

it ends conflict instead of driving it

which is kind of what the term hugbox means

[cinder rapids]

it makes conflict a choice.

the drive to conflict is TSF being a little bitch and killing a civvie and then not compensating them for the ship

[golden veldt]

Conflict shouldn’t be a choice, this is Monolith, as they’ve said a thousand times, this is a combat fork, we all need to be in the grinder.

[low zodiac]

The only thing on the list I agree with hunting down is ADS/Chimera because noone ever fucking deals with it and it always spirals

TSF/PDV are useless and let's not kid ourselves MD players would just die

I'm a-okay with going into a hyperwar against the unknown evils of the universe

[old zenith]

Well, I think the USSP left because of TSF war makes ZERO SENSE.
And USSP didn't fully leave, as they are still there. And this would be a massive hot zone of conflict so... Yea it just doesn't MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.

The only concept that allows for an USSP enclave is a fractioning of the USSP in likeness to the 1990s collapse of the soviet union. This still allows for there to be tension between the marines and the USSP without outright war. Since it's a new state.

[low zodiac]

I agree with this take

I firmly believe we should be building something new here

[thin marlin]

yeah... its ussp remnants... its whats left behind by an occupying military

[cinder rapids]

see that's fresh. I like that.

that can work.

but the problem is how to make it work or "fraction".

what fraction would we be? putting us under the USSP blanket wouldn't work

[thin marlin]

it likely wasnt a clean leaving, sudden and rushed with a lot of strategic mistakes being made

logistics were probably in dissaray too making the movement of all the resources out unfeasible

[pulsar wagon]

Conflict drives PLOT
I will die on that hill

I've seen optional combat, it's called Frontier
No explanation needed

[golden veldt]

God damn right.

[cinder rapids]

Frontier is NOT optional combat.

Frontier is sanctioned combat.

it's scripted combat.

there's a VERY big distinction.

[pulsar wagon]

You can tell pirates to fuck off in LOOC and they have to

Pretty optional imo

None shall interrupt 8 hours of Salvage slop

[cinder rapids]

yes

that's not what I meant by "optional".

by "optional" I meant "you can actually choose whether you want to instigate a fight or not."

realistically

we would still be targeted sooner or later anyway

and we would still be entering combat somewhat regularly

but we won't have a blaring reason for the TSF to hate us.

[low zodiac]

USSP 14th Expeditionary fleet, originally sent in XXXX to investigate the Monolith anomalies that drew the other factions here and commanded by Admiral XXXX who personally led the fleet from the USSPS Hammer of the Union to seek the resources in Colossus as the unions last hope amidst domestic economic turmoil brought on by various failed colonial expeditions and a costly cold war with the Terran federation.

The fleet was swiftly engaged by ADS vessels from deep space upon arrival at the fringe, where the Admiral and Hammer were lost along with the majority of the fleet. With the venture lost, the Union has found itself fracturing at the news, and what remains of 14th fleet has been left lost and adrift in a sector far from home with the flag of a nation that no longer exists.

We are alone now, and we must build our future together, come what may.

[cinder rapids]

that works.
yes.

a cold war with the federation is much different than an outright conflict

it gives leerway for diplomacy.

it gives leerway for a lot of things.

it gives agency.

[deep jungle]

Had a moment where i joined USSP crew on drillsite, TSF came with hidden signatures, and one of the guys went to the parked mil ship and blasted both of them because he thought it was pirates, no one came after so we threw corpses into space and moved wrecks away.

[low zodiac]

@golden veldt @pulsar wagon thoughts?

[cinder rapids]

I would say though

[golden veldt]

This is exactly what the USSP Remnants option is, yes.

[cinder rapids]

...you... really don't see a difference there?

you see

[golden veldt]

It describes the exact thing you’re fighting against

But go off

[low zodiac]

If need be I can cook up a proper lore doc in a day or two

[cinder rapids]

lmfao, no

[low zodiac]

I wouldn't mind

[golden veldt]

[cinder rapids]

.....

I have no mouth and I must scream.

[golden veldt]

Me reading any of your messages

[thin marlin]

that is basically what the remnant option is

[cinder rapids]

clearly, I have no mouth and I must scream.

[low zodiac]

Your lore implies the USSP as a greater entity exists, I do not agree with that

[golden veldt]

No brain either.

[cinder rapids]

Whatever, we'll see how the poll goes.

[golden veldt]

Let’s complain over semantics some more, shall we?

[thin marlin]

now rereading i am noticing that

[cinder rapids]

I'm done talking in the echo chamber.

[golden veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterically-ray-liotta-laugh-chuckle-gif-17037631

[low zodiac]

Anyway, anyone who likes this please vote for remnants in the poll

[golden veldt]

Starts an echo chamber on a poll with his metacord, is upset that the echo chamber changed directions

[cinder rapids]

The biggest problem is the nature of the background USSP and its values

it collapsing, specifically.

the rest is plausible and good

[fossil arrow]

dude, stop talking to grok, all they do is ragebait

[golden veldt]

I rage bait those that are morons, yes

[hexed mango]

btw im just saying this isnt like a closed company at all like random players can go in and fuck up yo flow (your controlling "visions" and what you want players to do exactly: without them straying from it.) and we can't really do anything about it

[cinder rapids]

that never was point of discussion

We're discussing lore writing

nothing else

[low zodiac]

It can and should be collapsed, otherwise the faction will have to contend with ties to TSF/PDV with background and other factions will also require some lore changes to accomodate

For example, PDV are supposed to be native here

So why would we be the civilian authority?

[cinder rapids]

other factions already need lore changes to accomodate

We wouldn't be the authority

[hexed mango]

you are very self-centered

[low zodiac]

It'd be far fewer changes if we just say the USSP commited 1990s USSR

And far more thematic

I think the lore baseline I proposed is a pretty fair take

Especially as it also explains why our ledokol flagship is fucking dead and a random wreck people can find

[cinder rapids]

as I said I agree with 90% of it

the 10% is why there's a poll

in the first place

[cinder rapids]

...I'm arguing for the sake of others, not my sake, really.

[low zodiac]

The USSP as a greater entity for both flavor and server reasons can and should be dead as a nation state

If the union persists, it will be because players build a colonial gov here somehow

[cinder rapids]

The USSP doesn't have to be dead if there wasn't a war in the first place and it acts as a neutral agent.

agree to disagree.

[low zodiac]

The USSR never had a war with the west

Wonder what happened to it

[hexed mango]

there should be a war

[thin marlin]

i like war

[hexed mango]

it still exists & nick is top KGB officer 🇷🇺

[low zodiac]

TRUE

[cinder rapids]

It self-separated due to economical pressure and tried joining NATO

it got refused.

alas

[hexed mango]

(it broke apart in revolutions)

[low zodiac]

Real talk I think it should have been a big cold war with a lot of proxy conflicts (possibly why USSP colonization failed)

And bankrupted the USSP accordingly

[cinder rapids]

Anyway I'm not here to talk politics.

[low zodiac]

We were the unions last hope and failed

[hexed mango]

History*

[low zodiac]

Now we have to pick up the pieces

[hexed mango]

Anyways: maybe we should have USSP fracture apart.

[cinder rapids]

Anyways: we'll see how the poll goes.

[hexed mango]

No

Your poll is inaccurate & only reaches like 20 people

lol

[low zodiac]

@hexed mango

This is my proposal

[cinder rapids]

It isn't my poll

it's @pulsar wagon 's poll

lmfao

[hexed mango]

Sounds cool maybe talk with @dawn crystal since he has good ideas for some USSP lore

[cinder rapids]

YOU started the poll

[low zodiac]

For sure, I'd be happy to

[hexed mango]

No nick I did not

[thin marlin]

oh hey, in good news i get to remove the the capital tag from the buran meaning it can be piloted by one person

[golden veldt]

You absolute monster

[low zodiac]

Wait zased?

[cinder rapids]

it never was my poll anyway lol

[hexed mango]

you seem to be relying on it heavily

[golden veldt]

He thinks the poll has any real sway

[dawn crystal]

yeah something like that

[cinder rapids]

I mean. I'm just pointing out you're saying "this is what we want" and I'm saying it's very fucking clearly not

that's about it.

if it went the other way I wouldn't have been arguing

[low zodiac]

I'd be happy to coordinate on a lore doc sometime if you'd like

Worldbuilding has always been a passion of mine

[dawn crystal]

ok yeah no

[cinder rapids]

TSF already needs a rewrite
PDV is fine

[hexed mango]

we should add a lore team so stupid arguments like this shit doesnt happen again and we dont have to waste our time telling these people for the 5000th time

issue: finding someone smart enough to be on a lore team

[low zodiac]

Raises hand

[dawn crystal]

yeah loremaking for monolith has been really fucky, I’ll keep it in mind - best thing would be to make a PR to update the USSP guidebook page or something

[hexed mango]

(95% of people here do not qualify)

[dawn crystal]

PR team

Wait a moment… that’s maints

[cinder rapids]

Surely it's you

[hexed mango]

No... fucking.. way....... we've gone full circle

[old zenith]

The collossus collective

[hexed mango]

It is: I'm omnipotent

[pastel drum]

USSP guidebook update would be really nice...

[low zodiac]

But uh yeah man, unironically I'm happy to pitch in with lore

[cinder rapids]

you're a redditor

[hexed mango]

I forgot did you actually go through with that lore maintainer idea

[pastel drum]

What would be even nicer... Is updating their ship's button access... Because mercs can't use their locked buttons...

[hexed mango]

Redneck*

[low zodiac]

Just tell me what's needed and I'll get to cooking stuff for review @dawn crystal

[dawn crystal]

it’s not official but it’s my acting policy

I should make it official

[hexed mango]

Would only qual. be YAML experience

since i imagine lore maint doesnt need much experience

actually maybe put this somewhere arguments doesnt flood chat every 10 minutes

[dawn crystal]

Basically just tweak the guidebook page with what you wrote for now, I like that train of thought

[low zodiac]

I cannot code but by god I can make lore that does not actually look like something a 14 year old redditor thought up after watching 2 yt videos about history

happy to learn however

[low zodiac]

@pastel drum

[hollow inlet]

you should get a lore maintainer

I agree

[hexed mango]

chatGPT is mine

[hollow inlet]

so you don't need some nerdy coder to be one

[low zodiac]

I'd have no idea how to make the PR, but I got no qualms about learning how to do it

[dawn crystal]

Oh like dedicated personnel

[low zodiac]

Just need a teacher

[hollow inlet]

anything but "lore development team" as we all know how calling someone a solo developer turns out

[dawn crystal]

Ah it’s not that bad

[hollow inlet]

yaml is very easy to teach

especially for just implementing guidebooks descriptions and companies

thats easy

[dawn crystal]

Check out the devwiki in #information

[low zodiac]

Roger

I'll take a gander

[hexed mango]

Btw fluffen read #maintainer-chat for my input on potential maptainers

[hollow inlet]

you mean the entirely empty devwiki with nothing in it?

[hexed mango]

Just regarding some ingame stuff

[hollow inlet]

fluff you know its empty right

like even my old guide is better than that thing

despite being dated

[dawn crystal]

it has links to wizden resources

[hollow inlet]

which suck

the wizden yaml guide are suck

the IDE setup guide only partially works for monolith

I've been fielding a million questions about "Where is Python RUN_THIS.py"

because we don't use that

and I was fielding a lot less when I had a dedicated guide to how to actually run monolith

instead of a generic ss14 server

and lets not even talk about mapping a ship

there is nothing in ss14 about it the frontier guide is better

my guide was good and so was the old contribution standards

as they had info on it