"Help with NEWFOB Ideas and stuff"

[copper iris]

Can AI control research?

[red fox]

Sheriff could also do this, but AI would be a lot more valid

[fierce pond]

I think so

[red fox]

Can’t trigger artifacts n stuff

[fierce pond]

Yeah

Can’t do that

But can use the PC

[red fox]

Limited to doors and things so still very much reliant on crew

[fierce pond]

Yup

[copper iris]

Well the Ai could control the prisioners to do it's bidding

[fierce pond]

AI would just manage defenses and prisoners

Report intruders

[copper iris]

[fierce pond]

Manage turrets

[red fox]

Besides, there isn’t going to be roundstart research anyhow

[fierce pond]

Atleast give us an empty room for it

I beg

[copper iris]

I beg for prisioners research

[fierce pond]

What

[copper iris]

Give them a small room with no lathes

And just analyzer

[red fox]

Prisoner camp idea

Not on fob

[copper iris]

Well alr

[red fox]

There’s so much people want prisoners to do

It can’t all fit on fob

Unless fob is turned to be half prison camp itself (which I don’t want to do, especially since secondary outpost will be a much better candidate)

Anyways, I’m going to bed now

Keep the inevitable mald outside of suggestions

[hasty jungle]

We need a better system for faction members to remember their faction bases location since second base is going to be hidden

perhaps a

memory system

or like notes

[copper iris]

Do we have a character tab?

[hasty jungle]

we do

when you press C

[copper iris]

Could be there as objective

Would need c# code probally

[rain kayak]

speaking of

I can give Camelot some deployable turrets they can set up

that's

actually what I want to do with newfob too

and fuck it

I'll give rogues a little too

Camelot definitely deserves a shield of some sort too

station shield

it'd be an engineering project for both ussp and tsfmc to build extra power for em!

[daring radish]

also an idea could be instead of putting the prison infrastructure on Fob, you could put it on a dedicated prisoner barge.

and just provide a prisoner ship for each faction.

[fast stratus]

me when people realise cornercamping exists irl (we call it using cover)

[fast stratus]

@rain kayak can you scrap this project and make tsfmc spawn on a supercapital instead

[red fox]

Newfob is designed in such a way as to be easy to refit into a functional ship if we want to do that

Secondary outpost will probably have more prisoner infrastructure

[fast stratus]

you can't move it, station anchor

[red fox]

I’m saying if we want to do that it’s easier

Besides, this version will be stationary, someone else can do the carrier wizardry if they want to

[fast stratus]

i mean it wouldn't really be wizardry doe?

we already have a "working" carrier in the game (cough cough, tumour)

[hasty jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-laugh-laughing-you-serious-jk-simmons-gif-6107729

a FOB design like that would make it extremely hard for people to interract with the TSFMC

there can be carrier ships just wouldnt be the main base

[fast stratus]

i'd argue it would make it easier to interact with the marines actually

since they could just

bring the entire base to you

[hasty jungle]

or you know

they could just

ignore you

the whole shift

[fast stratus]

yeah but

they can already do that

[hasty jungle]

and you would literally never be able to even fin

d

where to go

[hasty jungle]

no if this FOB happens people can just go to the FOB and wait for someoen to come

you have no choice but to interract with people at that point

You do know

this would be a public base

[fast stratus]

what the fuck

[hasty jungle]

able to be seen by everyone

[hasty jungle]

What?

[fast stratus]

man, pack it up

[hasty jungle]

what?

[fast stratus]

we're moving everything to FOB 2 lads

pack your bags

torch the place

[hasty jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/downfall-steiner-mein-fuhrer-steiner-gif-24733130

second base...

[fast stratus]

agartha....

where no civ will ever bother us again...

[hasty jungle]

the TSFMC left the sector to rogues

its joever

Theyre done with it all

[fast stratus]

where no rogues will ever fire extinguisher in

and

detonate the AME

[hasty jungle]

so peak did this actually happen to you

[fast stratus]

i can't lie if the FOB is public it's just gonna get molested the moment grace period ends

[fast stratus]

not personally but i keep hearing people talk about using fire extinguishers instead of jetpacks

and im like

"why aren't you doing it then"

[hasty jungle]

Because it isnt real lmao

fire extinguishers are dogshit

[fast stratus]

[hasty jungle]

unless you carry 10 bluespace beakers filled with water with you

at which point

why even bother doing it all

Just get a ship like a normal person

[fast stratus]

this is why we should just replace jetpack pings with mass scanner pings

having someone give you live coordinates of your target over radio is less annoying than using a fire extinguisher to navigate

[rain kayak]

There's a dedicated arti room

Directional fans built-in

You just have to buy the research stuff and set it up

We thought about adding an AI yeah

[brave bluff]

A ai would help with the current issue of fob defences necer being manned

[rain kayak]

True but

What would an AI do

[brave bluff]

Only in the rare case of a colonel, or the rarer one of a stationary captain

[rain kayak]

Maybe a console to monitor or coordinate tsf ships or something

[brave bluff]

Sabotage rogue boardings by bolting, activate and turn off turrets when neccesaey, man the gunnery console and radars

[rain kayak]

Well yeah

But I'm going to assume fob won't be raided all the timr

[brave bluff]

Oh thatd be really good, sadly multigrid cams arent s thing yet, MAYBE AI CAMERA SERVER¿

[rain kayak]

First 4 hours at least

A console that tracks every tsf ship is

An idea I got yeah

[brave bluff]

That is true, even then a ai could be usefull, serving as a proto captain, coofdinating tsf,

Talking with civvies

[rain kayak]

Yeh

[brave bluff]

Helping a lieut payout

[rain kayak]

I wonder if there is a way to add the ftl map type deal

Without a shuttle console

Eh actually

MD and CO and stuff get shuttle consoles already

FOB can get one too

[brave bluff]

Base(d) of operations

This would fit well eith that map encryption keys idea

So you can check ftl ships coords

Tsf

[rain kayak]

Ye

[brave bluff]

And maybe dead ones too

[rain kayak]

It'd mean that stealing tsf ships would be riskier too

Maybe a beacon or something on each ship that'd have to be destroyed

[brave bluff]

Anyways, LAW 0: You must obey every request of the Colonel In Charge

Just to make sure no ion fuckery as law 0s take priority over ion

Id gladly play tsf AI over captain or colonek

Im a sillycon

[rain kayak]

Mhm

[cunning sail]

(we gonna tell him)

[rain kayak]

There's plenty of room to slot in a TSF AI core ye

[cunning sail]

ion laws always take your highest law slot

[brave bluff]

Tf? In 13 law 0s take priority

[cunning sail]

if you have law 0
they will still be a higher order law than it

[brave bluff]

Aka malfs and syndicate laws

[cunning sail]

syndicate emaging also places the law at the highest

and we dont have malf

[brave bluff]

I thought ion laws were like decimals

Anywyas imagine tsf ai allying with ads ones to kill rogues

[rain kayak]

Lol

[brave bluff]

''Im sorry colonel, Im afraid i cannot do that''

anyways SILICON SISTERS UNITE

anyawys

even if its crewismov

thats

that'll probably need a law 0 indicating

Tsf Menbers are defined as crew

[cunning sail]

custom laws would be ideal

[brave bluff]

yeah

Law 0: You must listen to every request of the Colonel in charge, and attempt to comply to them

that'd probably be the law 0

im not sure bout the other laws

im only a good ss13 lawmaxxer

[fierce pond]

newfob needs a PRISON

[brave bluff]

we need a ore magnet for new fob for slavery

[rain kayak]

Has one smh

[fast stratus]

we already have a TSFMC lawset

btw

[fierce pond]

It’s just unused

[red fox]

People keep assuming fob never gonna be manned by TSF when I’m trying to make the fob more enjoyable to be on as colonel

Better prison area, research stations, overwatch radar, etc

[rain kayak]

camelot is manned all the time

sure, its a sorta-public station but still

[red fox]

Also, the fob should not be raided all the time because it’s going to have bigass guns, strong shield and armor, etc

[brave bluff]

yeah

i still want a fucking station AI

since he can go to the console way faster

than innocious colonel

alos AI roleplay cool..

[red fox]

I would even have internal turrets just in case it isn’t manned but so many people are shooting down the idea

[brave bluff]

we dont get to abuse silicon policy enough

[brave bluff]

I SAY AI TURRETS

ai controlled internal turrets

that dont fire at tsf

[rain kayak]

gamin

[brave bluff]

so he can turn it off when mechas n shit

plus

thoseare more balanced

than fuck you die ballistico nes

[red fox]

The problem with AI atm is that it’s heavily limited to the fob until someone who knows C# adds more content

Plus it’ll do what the colonel is supposed to do

[rain kayak]

I mean

if people wanna play FOB station ai

[brave bluff]

it'll also ASSIST the colonel

[rain kayak]

yeah like

[brave bluff]

i want my fucking colonel station ais

their too rare

[rain kayak]

fob is probably a two person job ngl

[red fox]

I get that AI rp is cool, and I understand people WILL play AI for the roleplay, but there won’t be much to do in the intermediary and there will be people who don’t know that fob AI is lackluster

I suppose we can add it, I’m just concerned about players who don’t know

[brave bluff]

true..

could maybe add a warning?

[red fox]

And the lack of content maybe turning it into a bloat role

[brave bluff]

also give it tsf comms

[brave bluff]

i mean, as long as you got a colonel nearby, he could probably make a use for you

[rain kayak]

tsf ai already exist

[red fox]

The thing is that that requires roleplay on the part of the colonel

And that is really unreliable

[brave bluff]

truth

i still just want a consistent way to play a station bound ai that isn't just RDM though, thats all i want for fobmas

also why can AIS not interact with lathes?

like huh?

they can air alarms but not lathes

[naive cipher]

can i have a github link

me too lazy to look myself

[red fox]

Just follow the pinned link in #development-general and go to PRs

[naive cipher]

thx

the ship looks like its designed for movement

the charon on the front is not hittng shit with that angle unless it turns

nor the bacl

also props the dock design the way current FOB overlaps the way it does just makes one ship take up two spaces

also is the dock themselves the reinforced wall on the right side or is the left side meant to be more reinforced than the other

[red fox]

Left side is civ, right is military

[fierce pond]

Drive vends I beg

[red fox]

I’m working on it

[fierce pond]

What will be powering the new fob btw

Cuz if we’re giving it a super shield it’s gonna need power

[red fox]

Also a dedicated SMES/Substation/APC array

[fierce pond]

That looks badass

[fierce pond]

Using what power?

AME?

Solars?

[red fox]

The reactor core

And possibly additional power sources set up by engineers

I’m trying to balance power to such a degree that the base can continually function with a constant shield that can take some hits, but for better shield endurance engineers need to add more power

[fierce pond]

Reactor core? Whar

I don’t know what that is

[fierce pond]

Is that a power source or a shield generator?

I thought that was the new shield gen

[red fox]

power source

refitted FTL drive lore-wise I'm thinking

[fierce pond]

Ah

[fierce pond]

What about the super shield of doom

[red fox]

This is the new shield generator

FS-421 Fortress shield

[fierce pond]

Badass name

Have you tested the stations guns yet? I’m a bit concerned their FOV might be too low in some places

[red fox]

Guns aren't my priority right now

When interior is finished, I'll begin to be more concerned over them

[brave bluff]

we need a tsfmc Arms vend

for public profit

[red fox]

*coughs in expeditionary lodge

[fierce pond]

An arms vend would be nice but lock it up like USSP has

[copper iris]

Tsf already have a uplink

[brave bluff]

*coughs in vulcans, several tsf exclusive gears, enforcers, energy weapons, etc

[fierce pond]

Yeah I’d prefer to spend money over FMC

on my guns

Not gonna lie

[red fox]

I think there is a TSF vendor

[red fox]

And those shouldn’t be handed out to civs

Military-grade equipment shouldn’t be sold out straight from the armory as a normal thing

[fierce pond]

No actual guns I don’t think

[brave bluff]

THEY SELL FUCKING C20S

HOW IS A ENFORCER OR VULCAN A STRETCH

Also civs as in mercs

[rain kayak]

I have unfucked AMEs to make adding additional cores not decrease power gen by a lot

we gaming

[brave bluff]

Make the explosion size scale exponentially per core

Peak ramming maneuver

[rain kayak]

yes of course

[rain kayak]

what I meant is

[brave bluff]

Yesss

[rain kayak]

before if

you had a 1 core ame

and ran it at two injection

it'd be like 120 kw

but if you added another core and ran it at two injection

drops to 100 kw

this, gets exponentially worse per extra core added

[brave bluff]

Plan: make 3 rods 20 meters away from ship, at the end of it place a wall of AMEs, connected to one injector

Litteral self destruction ramming

[rain kayak]

real

[brave bluff]

They wont give us impact expllsive payload

So we do it tider style

[rain kayak]

anyways, I mention this because making big AMES is a key component to powering BIG shields

[brave bluff]

Thats why ame explosion should be exponential per core

Also addsa. Nerf to big ames

One 20mm and the ship turns into a charon victim

[rain kayak]

lol

[fierce pond]

AME explosions overall need to be bigger

[brave bluff]

Yeah HOW THE FUCK IS A ANTIMATTER CONTAINER NOT MAKING A MASSIVE EXPLOSION WHEN BROKEN

[fierce pond]

Like atleast 5x stronger

[brave bluff]

ITS CONTAINING ANTIMATTER

[brave bluff]

Make it scale exponentially per core

[fierce pond]

If my AME gets hit my ship should be erased

[brave bluff]

True

[fierce pond]

Most ships are one core

[rain kayak]

yeah sure I'll take a look at it after I finish my todolist

[tawdry herald]

@rain kayak you should add a Dymere or two to the FOB. They have very strong initial volleys, and their design fits what the TSFMC might have on their central base

They've also not been mapped on any ships so far, so they'll be a new challenge people will have to deal with

[rain kayak]

good idea

[fierce pond]

I said this :(

[tawdry herald]

then I agree with you 100%

ngl I really do like the way the Dymere works (no bias, trust), the idea of a 17-shot volley with strong overall damage just seemed like a good idea

[naive cipher]

it gives TSFOB a chance to be as scary as camelot too

and their own unique spin like USSP in a light

USSP uses a fuckton of firepower and little to no defence

if TSFMC gets a cool new big gun to use specifically for FOB it creates unqiue ways to counter each factions HQ

[fierce pond]

New fob is gonna be public for military and civilian use, it should be beefed up

[naive cipher]

exactly

and it gives a mnew spin on how rogues should counter it

they count just goto the coords and fuck it up

they have to make a full on assault plan

and if civvies are going to and from thats more potential clout for TSF to defend

[red fox]

lit up

[fierce pond]

I will say the dyamere will probably need to be buffed if we want it to replace the cyrexas

[copper iris]

Have you tested that thing in localhost?

[fierce pond]

Yes

[fierce pond]

Tested it last night, it’s good that it puts out a volley

Doesn’t hit hard

[copper iris]

Brother you rage bait too much or are blind

Well actually maybe they have nerfed it since last time I tested it

[fierce pond]

It might’ve been, I tested it against reinforced and platinum

Compared it to a bunch of guns

It’s fire rate is good but it’s damage is low

[copper iris]

Last time I saw it each shot dealt Charon tier damage

[fierce pond]

It does damage comparable to a heavy autocannon rn I believe

[fierce pond]

Lotta dark spots, I hope it’s entirely lit up like current fob once it’s done

[copper iris]

It got nerfied

[copper iris]

A lot more but carry less punch than a charon

Also obliterate shields

[fierce pond]

and less then a cyrexa

if it was burst fire it would be cool

first burst fire ship gun

[copper iris]

It fires a lot faster though

[fierce pond]

it does have 3 barrels

or 4

I forget

[copper iris]

3

It looks good in a Europa just saying

[fierce pond]

in overall dps its kinda lacking for

whats obviously a main battery

but we can tweak it, I think it would be cool on FOB

[tawdry herald]

Yeah, I can PR a buff alongside a few other things once my computer gets back

Or I guess I could just wing it and make the PR without testing it

[fierce pond]

dont do dat

[tawdry herald]

It's never dealt that much damage, but it does deal a bit more than the Charon in any given amount of time

[fierce pond]

it takes a LOT of sustained fire and you have to hit all ur shots

itll take you like 12 hit shots to match one charon round

[tawdry herald]

Yeah, I'm fine with buffing it a bit

[fierce pond]

its explosions range is way smaller so you'll be boring a hole through them rather then blowin em up

[tawdry herald]

That part is intentional

[fierce pond]

means its kinda incomparable to a charon since charons just kinda eviscerate everything in a range

[tawdry herald]

I balanced the Dymere around being able to go through a Polaris's frontal armor, but the new ships are much different so I 100% can make it stronger (plus, yeah, it should be much stronger than the Charon anyway, that's kinda the point)

[fierce pond]

you can play around with it when you get back

[tawdry herald]

for now, still a good idea to map it

[fierce pond]

agreed

[tawdry herald]

The original idea around the guns is that the TSFMC has relatively light firepower lore-wise due to being the Marine Corps, and that the Dymere is something you might see on a Navy ship

[fierce pond]

for our purposes its all the same lol

its just the military

kinda hard to have a navy without water 😭

[red fox]

I drank it all, my bad

[fierce pond]

(kidding)

since the fob will be public and both military/civ use

its gonna need to probably be the strongest grid in the game

[daring radish]

To be fair militaries in space would be closer to armies than they would be navies in terms of there organization.

[fierce pond]

they get called navies cuz of the ships

[daring radish]

A space borne military force really would be something unto itself

[daring radish]

Yeah I'm aware

[fierce pond]

star wars did it now we all must...

[tawdry herald]

One might even say... a Space Force

Tbh I think of the TSFMC like the early (1700s-1800s) US Navy. It didn't have ships of the line, it didn't have anything too big, but it did have large frigates and cruisers whose walls could bounce off cannonballs easily and could project serious power with relatively low investment

[red fox]

My balancing plan for the fob is for it to prioritize defense via its outpost plastitanium and fortress shield

If Dymeres are balanced to be around Charon level then I’ll add them sparingly

[fierce pond]

I have no nicer way to say this but you might be thinking about it wrong 😭

we have experimental tech

HF blade

aurora

EMPs

TSF is the most technologically advanced faction by far

[red fox]

I think they mean in composition, not tech

[fierce pond]

talkin about "It didn't have ships of the line, it didn't have anything too big"

[red fox]

Most factions have decent tech, but it’s mostly how they use it

Tech does not equal fleet comp and ship size

[fierce pond]

I assumed with "ships of the line" he meant like ships fielding the latest armaments

might be misunderstanding

[rain kayak]

to be fair, there are things that go through shields

[tawdry herald]

A Ship of the Line was the equivalent of a battleship compared to a cruiser

[rain kayak]

the primary thing of note is missiles

and emps

[fierce pond]

ah yeah I mean

[red fox]

Hence the armor

[fierce pond]

I see it differently

[rain kayak]

still, 2km out barragging fob with missiles would be nasty

[red fox]

True

[tawdry herald]

I'm not saying we have 1800s technology, I'm saying the TSFMC has a tiny fraction of the technology at TSF's disposal

[rain kayak]

not like, you can't do that with current fob or camelot

[fierce pond]

we have heavy brawlers, high tech and heavily armored but we lose out on maneuverability and our ships are expensive

oh yeah maybe we dont know much ab the TSF

[red fox]

But that’s a TSF issue if they’re letting rogues do that

[rain kayak]

maybe make special fob/camelot shields block those?

I dunno

yeah I

I don't think its that big of a problem

[fierce pond]

we need to be able to outrange the heavy autocannons those are the main rogue armaments tbh

[red fox]

I think shield counters are neat

[fierce pond]

they got one charon ship

[rain kayak]

yea

same

[tawdry herald]

Like in the military where the Marine Corps has just basic vehicles and such, while the Army and Navy have all the high-tech stuff

[fierce pond]

All we know is we do have access to experimental tech which

[tawdry herald]

Not civilian-grade, just not as good as the Navy

[fierce pond]

kinda makes it seem like we do have top of the line shit

if we're also getting shit thats still in testing

[red fox]

Those things are the bajillion fmc costs tho

[tawdry herald]

Not everything that's experimental is the best of the best

[fierce pond]

true but the experimental tech we DO have

is pretty fucking crazy in comparison to anything else in the game

the aurora being the prime example

[rain kayak]

never heard of this take before

[tawdry herald]

The experimental tech is strong compared to the civs and small terrorist groups, yes

[fierce pond]

Pretty sure we have two things that claim to be "experimental" and its hardsuits

[rain kayak]

I'll have to ask my dad about whether its true that they got shafted with garbage equipment

lol

[fierce pond]

but ig its personal opinions we dont actually

have lore yet

[tawdry herald]

I'm not saying it's garbage, I'm talking about how the USMC for example doesn't have tanks and such

It just has strong APCs and other such things

[rain kayak]

they're a mobile force

[tawdry herald]

Exactly

[rain kayak]

tanks don't fit

[fierce pond]

I like to picture it like

our ground forces are armed like RMC guns

[rain kayak]

yeah

[tawdry herald]

That's what TSFMC is

[fierce pond]

like they have fancy tech

[rain kayak]

instead they have super humvees smh

[fierce pond]

but its nothing crazy

its cheap and mass producable

while our forces in space are a bit fancier since

yknow

space federation

[rain kayak]

I'll have you know tho

marines have some good stuff to

no military is left untouched in the USA

its just more suited for their role

[fierce pond]

our most fancy tech goes to our airforce and navy

[tawdry herald]

That's the sort of dynamic I'm thinking of, I just didn't describe it well

[fierce pond]

I have no idea why we're

marines

at all

[red fox]

More of state/federal police is the vibe I’m getting

[copper iris]

I think I got that impression since it shreds shields

[fierce pond]

marines are kinda exclusively ground forces

[copper iris]

Aren't marines like navy?

[fierce pond]

navy is

navy is boats

[copper iris]

But aren't they part of the navy?

[fierce pond]

ehhhhh

technically

yes

theyre the navies army

thats the easiest way to describe it

[copper iris]

Uh

[fierce pond]

Theyre the navies ground forces

marines are kinda weird they just kinda

get thrown around

[tawdry herald]

Marines originally had actual ships, I believe. They were originally made as Military Police for the Navy

[fierce pond]

they are under the department of the navy

the navy itself is

[copper iris]

[fierce pond]

da boats

[rain kayak]

navy hitsquad

[copper iris]

I kind of get it but no at the same time

Like special forces?

[fierce pond]

The navy is the boats and their operators

the marines are ground forces that are technically under the department of the navy

[red fox]

The troops that are deployed during naval invasions I think

[fierce pond]

but they kinda do less and less with the navy as time goes on

They kinda get deployed just whenever the fuck the US feels like it

they tend to show up first iirc

[copper iris]

But wouldn't those just be regular army?

[fierce pond]

no

infantry is quantity over quality

marines is quality over quantity

atleast in practice nowadays

[rain kayak]

amphibious and mobile infantry warfare

truee

[fierce pond]

marines will also get thrown in for more specialized missions

[red fox]

Because there’s less capacity for quantity

[rain kayak]

not to mention marines as a force has a full logistics, intelligence, etc etc division

[fierce pond]

like seal team 6 was a naval group

technically they did marine shit

[tawdry herald]

If you want to invade someone, the Marines are the first force in. They clear the beaches and such so the Army can gain a foothold in the region and actually start mounting a larger-scale offensive

[fierce pond]

army is the numbers

[red fox]

Really tsfmc seem like federal police

[fierce pond]

ehhhh

we're invading the rogue sector

this is a military invasion

so yeah actually it makes sense we're marines

in retrospect

we're the first people here

the whole navy/marine dynamic is kinda blurry in space

since the navy would be the TSFs fleets

but we're the marines

but also engage in ship combat

so

🤷

[tawdry herald]

This is exactly why we called them the marines

[fierce pond]

we're marines with navy tech

technically if it was more fleshed out

the ships would be driven by naval people

and theyd deploy marines for boarding / base invasions

but that doesnt really work here so

everyone is the navy and marines at the same time

its funny how incompetent most TSF people are because it doesn't line up at all with what the marines are meant to be

[tawdry herald]

I originally wanted the CentComm replacement to be the TSF Navy

Still wouldn't mind it tbh

[copper iris]

Would be cooler

[fierce pond]

this would work well if we ported the goob navy stuff

cuz then we could have the actual

navy admiral roles

and gar

[hasty jungle]

wait till he sees a real balance discussion thread

[placid jolt]

Can we have a crematorium

Crematorium, urns, and hand labelers to mark said urns

[naive cipher]

That

Already exists

The mapper people never add incinerators

Or urns

Or the chaplain vend for urns

OH WAIT U MEAN IN NEW FOB

Yes plwease add that if we dont have prison

Sick of the ssd ppl

[fierce pond]

Real

[red fox]

Mapped in Dymeres

[brave bluff]

Nice!

wait..

add a execution room with 4 tiles of space

and a chair in the middle of it

add a charon facing directly to it connected to abutton

put prisoner in chair ( offgrid ) so he gets impacted by charon

profit? (you'll die from the blast )

[red fox]

there’s a room with a svalinn

[brave bluff]

oh

whats that good for

its the shittiest laser

[red fox]

and a Charon is not going to be inside the station

I understand the funny factor but this is for real gameplay

[clear python]

would be cool to see the fob have a internal drydock kinda system to repair ships

[brave bluff]

Yeah true

[red fox]

What weapons should go in the armory?

Currently it consists of lecters, Vulcans, enforcers, kammerers, energy guns, energy swords, an RPG with ammo, drozds, an energy shield, combat suits and WT550s

[fierce pond]

dudes giving us the SUPER armory fuck yeah

dont forget drozds and pistols

oh you said drozds mb

but yeah pistols

mk32 / universals

[stuck hornet]

All the loadout marine weapons and mk pistols abd ammo
Maybe also 2 stacks of metal so the marines can make more ammo roundstart

[fierce pond]

Steel and plastic…

[stuck hornet]

True we need plastic too

[rain kayak]

yea

[brave bluff]

I want exponential sized ame/power generators

[naive cipher]

Powers going to be from a custom generator unique to the fob

[red fox]

That’s going to be the main source of power, but I plan for it to be upgradable through additional generation such as AMEs

It’s enough to power a constant shield that can take some hits, but isn’t too powerful on its own

[naive cipher]

If you do then theres got to be room for the facilities

Like camelot has plenty of room to move in

Its just not fully built in a sense

[red fox]

*coughs

[naive cipher]

You are a genius keep it up gang

[hollow verge]

idea: vouchers for escape pods and an emergency shipyard + emergency power gen (prolly a jr pacman) for the shipyard console

if everyone teams up to destroy the FOB and somehow it’s fucked up

the crew can evacuate to the secondary FOB

[fierce pond]

Give Newfob tool vend please @red fox

[red fox]

There is one already

Also an engi vend

[fierce pond]

I love you

What’s the progress looking like?

@red fox add a Ripley to new fob cargo room…

For moving smuggling crates

[stark kayak]

Newfob should have unlimited forensic scanners

[fierce pond]

true

[stark kayak]

They run out

[rain kayak]

easy to adjust

globally

[rain kayak]

build it yourself smh

[red fox]

Get the prisoners to research it

Cargo room is very small anyways

[naive cipher]

whats that little area on the top connected to perma through doors going to be, the one that goes around the command room

is it like perma viewing for command

or a way for perma to go somewhere

[tawdry herald]

Wow, now I can actually see the original message

[red fox]

Thanks 👍

[rain kayak]

there's a jump to top button on the top right

[tawdry herald]

I'm on mobile rn

[rain kayak]

ah

[fierce pond]

Thank fuck, I didn’t have perms to do it and it was driving me nuts

[red fox]

Can mods also pin a link to the pr

Por favor

[rain kayak]

I put it in the main post

[fierce pond]

You can light up the outside with the exterior light posts

Should probably sweep over and get rid of those remaining dark spots too

Also gotta pop in there and use the gun console to just kinda

Select all and check for any external blind spots

Where no guns can reach

[rain kayak]

ye

I'll go over the guns next time

[fierce pond]

How goes it?

[distant roost]

new tsf outpost idea?

[fierce pond]

We gonna get a fully lit up and floored version soon?

[distant roost]

it looks confusing as fuck

[fierce pond]

I linked the channel cuz I couldn’t find it

[distant roost]

remember why people hate camelot

[fierce pond]

It’s huge because it’s civilian and TSF

and it’s public

It’s the most heavily defended station

It has the turbo lasers which will probably get buffed

And it has the super shield

[rain kayak]

I haven't worked on it in a while, dunno about onezero

[fierce pond]

Hopefully it’ll get an AI too

I’ve been eagerly awaiting this

[rain kayak]

I have focus issues but randomly being forcibly enlisted to being some maintainer for some backwater country water coding supply is kinda silly

yeah me too :D

[fierce pond]

Did you not

Ask for it?

😭

Forcibly enlisting maintainers is insane

[rain kayak]

no why would anyone willingly for free on a video game

They took Snowths out back

and held him hostage

they said "snowths burger or work for us"

[fierce pond]

Dear god

I didn’t know monolith employed slave labor

[rain kayak]

technically its an unpaid internship

[fierce pond]

Do you not want to be a maintainer

[rain kayak]

sorry

I'm recieving an update

I will now be stating that everything I just said is a lie

Snowths is fine. I am fine. I wanted to be a maintainer. I asked for this.

I am not in distress.

[fierce pond]

Durk OS version 2.0 just dropped

[rain kayak]

I am not in distress

[distant roost]

sounds like very good idea tbh

especially decision to make it public

but people will be able to attack it right?

• rogues and ussp that is

[fierce pond]

It has a big armory too

[fierce pond]

Yeah I mean

After 4 hour mark

It’s not gonna be a safe zone

Since it’s public and hopefully won’t have auto turrets we’ll be able to take prisoners

[distant roost]

Massive

[stark kayak]

You can try to attack it, but it's really hard

Especially when there's turbolasers, charons

And the outpost walls will not care about some of shots

[distant roost]

Good. FOB really needed some tankies

But what about the value of raiding it?

Will TSF get some nice boost to income to maintain the base operational?

To pay both civilians and TSF?

[stark kayak]

They don't really have to pay civilians, but I think vault rewards should be buffed

It feels like robbing them is more profitable for TSF than just defending them

And the value of raiding it...

Idk

You just bomb it anyway

[distant roost]

100% true

Same with weapon drops or whatever it is called

Caches

[stark kayak]

you just get 100k or something like that for defending them

[placid jolt]

It actually depends on it's contents inside and multiplies their values tenfold

So if 4 crates spawn you get only 300000

[stark kayak]

I'd still just rob it anyway

[frozen pumice]

maybe its just me, but i think FOB a star citadel would be neat...but fuck me if i'm making a circular station inside a star

[distant roost]

Mr Colonel another flashpoint has hit the Pentagon

[hasty jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200442265152262167/1340368420910403635/togif.gif

[red fox]

About the lack of updates recently:
Redrover is working on maintainer stuff/other PRs and has newfob on the backburner (from what I can tell)
Personally I’ve been on a bit of a hiatus, though there will probably be a significant increase in my free time. I’ve gradually been working on flooring and decoration, but nothing worth an update picture yet.
I will try to increase my activity in regards to this project, though be aware that it might not be my highest priority

[red fox]

its not dead dw

I'm just lazy as shit lol

[rain kayak]

its alright

we're all busy or lazy :D

[stark kayak]

This is all true

[red fox]

Bar

[stark kayak]

3,5 years later... The first update

[rain kayak]

pog

[red fox]

though to be honest it hasn't been updated much lol

this is really the first pass-through of tiling

trying to stick to a similar vibe to the rogues with the whole cramped-military theme, but less so because imo the TSF is more organized

happy room of fun time

[red fox]

Fob update: mostly just needs general scrutinization for anything I might have forgotten

Untiled areas, disconnected buttons, glitches, dubious things, etc

[fierce pond]

Don’t make it feel TOO cramped

I hate Camelot and rogue base

Far too cramped

[red fox]

Its not dark, or 2-wide hallways

Really it isn't too cramped but it has a darker feel

[fierce pond]

thank you :)

one of the nice things about fob is the

wide hallways

and that its fully lit

theres no dark spots in fob

One thing I beg you remember is to put disposals everywhere

esp in spawn and near armory

people leave trash everywhere and its so annoying

[red fox]

I’ll see what I can do

[red fox]

For the most part, but it’s still wip

[sonic oxide]

@fierce pond i don't know if it's been mentioned, but can we get unlimited gear in the new fob's vendor? those forensic scanners go way too fast to the point where an hour or two in you have to either go to the exped lodge to get one, or spawn at secondary fob

most of that gear is available in unlimited quantities at exped anyway, why wouldn't it be at fob

[red fox]

I can just… do that really quickly you know

[sonic oxide]

Trueseph.

[red fox]

the sequel

[brave bluff]

Peak cinema

[red fox]

coming soon to a fob near you

[tranquil ivy]

Yay

[compact siren]

what if fob was in another map?

[stark kayak]

definetly not

I would rather have rogue base in another map

[compact siren]

ah ok

[frozen pumice]

That's not a terrible idea honestly. it would allow to hard set code to prevent FOB destruction before the desired time too cause you can just prevent non members from showing up at your FOB

[red fox]

I think rogue base being in another map could work, but there are also lag considerations

As for fob, this fob is going to be public and really well armed so the difficulty and server performance problems with making it its own map would outweigh the benefits

[marsh breach]

faction bases being in another map is a good idea

like, unironically

they FTL in once it hits hour 4

alongside an announcement

make fob2 a always-active public-access hall

or add TSF spawns on CO

[red fox]

The objective of the pr is to make main fob (newfob) public and to change the secondary outpost to be the secret one

I’m not going to cover the map layer shinanigans here, this is just the remap

[red fox]

brightened the fortress shield because it looked weird before

[brave bluff]

MAKE it so bright its the fucking sun

[red fox]

nah

[waxen fable]

Food

For what fucking reason is there no food at FOB

[stark kayak]

there are vends

[waxen fable]

Only small snacks

Not actual chef vends

PEAK AS FUCK

[frozen pumice]

oh shit i put it in the wrong thread lol

woops

[naive cipher]

no but this is so real

why does the kitchen lack the one thing making it a kitchen or there just isnt a kitchen at all

[coarse copper]

BUZZZZ dies

[red fox]

there is a kitchen

and a bar

[waxen fable]

NewFOB needs an AI Core

[naive cipher]

this

is a must

so that

you dont need to rush to gun console every skirmish

and end up getting gibbed by something on the way

[brave bluff]

yeah

NEWFOB will 100% need a ai core

someone to always be active

give it the ability to watch other other tsf vessels tho

[fierce pond]

As cool as that would be

Would probably be annoying to code

[red fox]

dw AI is in newfob

[brave bluff]

niice

wait is that like

the mapping thing

for ais?

imagine rogues infiltrating newfob, and sabotaging its ai

[red fox]

its a renamed and redescribed AI toy

[brave bluff]

awwwwwwwww

so will there be actual ai

or fake...

[waxen fable]

lol

[red fox]

slightly changing TSFMC laws maybe

[fierce pond]

@short yew work for you

[red fox]

what why

I already did it

[fierce pond]

ah

my bad

I got confused

[naive cipher]

would it be a bad idea to give the AI a law to recognize TSFMC

[fierce pond]

I’m going to mag dump a civilian

The laws do not forbid it

[hasty jungle]

conflict rule 1 does

[fierce pond]

I mean in the laws nincompoop

[red fox]

that would cause drastic diplomatic change as per law 4

[fierce pond]

With what faction

[red fox]

Independants, the victim's corporation, etc

[brave bluff]

THE ussp

[copper iris]

I belive that law 1 should be about the Ai obeying tsfcm military rank, like prioritizing orders from a colonel rather than from a private

[red fox]

https://github.com/Monolith-Station/Monolith/pull/692

its real now

fob enjoyers rejoice

@rain kayak it is (hopefully) done

[rain kayak]

god damn

I was gonna get working on it but I kept getting distracted

[red fox]

just working on getting the maprenderer to work

[red fox]

its alright

it probably has like. 10+ little things I missed

[rain kayak]

heh yeah

I'll go over it with a fine comb no worries

[red fox]

thank god

I'm almost free

[rain kayak]

btw its not implemented so it doesn't spawn in but I can do that part

Also

fuck the FOB as a name

We're calling this shit the Halcyon Dominion

[red fox]

I think FOB is good to put somewhere in the name to show its meaning

But yeah fob is kind of boring by itself

Glad you like the name lol

[rain kayak]

"TSF Halcyon Dominion"

if its not clear enough we can call it the

"TSFMC Halcyon Dominion"

[red fox]

TSFMC is better imo

It’s part of the marine corps in the system

But both get the point across so. Doesn’t really matter

[waxen fable]

too big of a name

[nova field]

Forward operating base is fineee

imo

uhhh

[red fox]

womp

[nova field]

i think giving it something that sticks to it being more or less military would be good

hmm

like the TSF - give it a name with a significant meaning

[rain kayak]

maybe just the Halcyon maybe

[red fox]

holycan

Halcyon was actually the original lol, I just tacked on dominion cause it sounded cooler

[rain kayak]

dominion doesn't make much sense for tsfmc

[nova field]

this is close to the name

i neannn

[rain kayak]

er, tsf

[red fox]

it should be hullrot 2.0

[nova field]

mean like

ITS CLOSE

i reckon it should be like yeah

TSF Meaning

[rain kayak]

Halcyon Flagship

or Flagship Halcyon

[red fox]

halcyon is better and cooler

objectively

[rain kayak]

TSFMC Flagship Halcyon...

[nova field]

mhmm

THE HALCYON IS UNDER ATTACK!

[red fox]

I hope you understand that I fully understood the meaning of the term halcyon

[nova field]

oh wait

i thought you said haylcon

[red fox]

what no

[rain kayak]

I did

because I'm very gramattical

[nova field]

ANYWAYS

its a good name!

[waxen fable]

this is actually pretty cool i approve of this

[red fox]

Rover did an oopsie but it’s okay

[rain kayak]

funnily enough

FOB kinda feels like a secondary fob

lmao

old fob

[red fox]

phew

Thought you meant halcyon for a second and I was scared lol

[rain kayak]

pr closed

:>

[red fox]

Oldfob definitely was undercooked

[red fox]

based!!!

Finally… I’m freed from the chains of mapping newfob… deploy the ship pr swarm!!

Oh my god I thought you meant it was merged… not a joke… I’m silly

[rain kayak]

pr denied :>

[rain kayak]

I'm sorry Fluffen

your PR doesn't fit the type of atmosphere we have going on in Monolith Den

it just doesn't vibe.

[soft root]

anything but insanely long hallways

[brave bluff]

1 extremely short "hallway" coming right up!

[red fox]

there kind of has to be long hallways for docking arms but everything else is put close together

[tawdry herald]

It kinda looks like the Dymeres would be blocked by parked ships at NEWFOB

Whoever is shooting would basically just have to be defenseless on that side of the station, save for a tiny bit of firepower at the top and bottom, or I guess they could just obliterate a TSF ship if they get attacked, but that's not exactly great

[red fox]

hopefully docked ships would be piloted

[tawdry herald]

There's usually like 5 ships docked at FOB that just don't move

[red fox]

Fair. I'll look at gunnery a bit more

[tawdry herald]

You also have to keep in mind that every Rogue player and their mother will be finding points on the station with no major weaponry and start attacking there

[red fox]

Thats true and its why I've been very Dymere heavy

[tawdry herald]

I forgot there was a more up-to-date map lol

[rain kayak]

Not gonna lie

Old fob has this problem but much worse

[tawdry herald]

Ik, that's why I want to fix it

[rain kayak]

Newfob has room to put guns angled in the right places

Cause its not a square

The front and the back is perfect for it

May even be able to somewhat clear the docking ports of firing lines when not aiming at them

Can put emps in those docking ports to help avoid blowing up friendly ships on accident while still being very effective against enemy ones

[waxen fable]

i feel this was fixed recently with this

[tawdry herald]

People are still going to leave their ships out lol

Now I just have to do something about it

[waxen fable]

i mean now you can do something about it

ideally if FOB is public

atleast one captain should be on it

so like

they can also take care of that ig

[rain kayak]

I fixed it

Woohooo

[red fox]

Yippee

Is it ready for merge?

[rain kayak]

no

I fixed Dampers

I added a new component and did a few things and now

ADS and the Halycon will have damper buttons on its shuttle console

now I need to improve the map :D

[red fox]

I can help if need be

[rain kayak]

wanna map together?

[rain kayak]

that'd be great

I can open up the server again

[red fox]

Im available in the afternoon tomorrow, I’m gonna be busy right now though

[rain kayak]

ah

got it

[red fox]

Wish I could though

[rain kayak]

I'm down for tomorrow

[red fox]

k

[rain kayak]

would be later in the day tho cause class

[red fox]

yeah makes sense

[rain kayak]

2 hours ago tomorrow type deal

[red fox]

That aligns with my timing

What exactly needs fixing?

Just the gunnery?

[fierce pond]

@narrow garnet @red fox y’all might wanna talk about adding a mech bay

[rain kayak]

wrong person

[red fox]

players can add one

[rain kayak]

or

yes person

[fierce pond]

I think you misunderstand

[narrow garnet]

if there is to be a mechbay, it beeds to be at least like 6x6 tiles big, with a hangar space for storage

[fierce pond]

The mechs are huge

[narrow garnet]

because uh

[fierce pond]

There needs to be a bay

😭

[narrow garnet]

spriter gave me some 4x4 tile sized mechs

[rain kayak]

can add one later

[red fox]

and are they added yet?

[rain kayak]

we have room

[narrow garnet]

spriter is almost done

[fierce pond]

True can add one layer

Later

[narrow garnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382985958689079357/1389737274857619486/4x4.png?ex=6865b532&is=686463b2&hm=d0ec3683944377f259e4e41f3208f2b64a35af8397f2d7362edd5775323757e4&

[red fox]

let me know when they are implemented and I’ll consider it

[narrow garnet]

they're working on paint skins

and construction sprites

[fierce pond]

Btw chat is there an empty room for artifacts…

[red fox]

yes

[fierce pond]

Goated

[narrow garnet]

also

mechs will have radar blips according to paint

TSF paint = blue square

Rogue paint = red square

etc

[fierce pond]

So fire

I need my giant mech melee weapons

So I can tear through hulls

I’m excited for this absolute peak to be added just to be dragged down by our shitty sound effects

Like everything else

[rain kayak]

Ecto

how do you run a gamerule

with admin commands

i.e. spawn in 3 zeniths

[red fox]

addgamerule

search for derelict or ads iirc

[rain kayak]

ty

[fierce pond]

Yes that

Thank you

Significant harassment

[rain kayak]

ADS players rejoice

you now can press park and cruise :D

[fierce pond]

Might be one of the biggest buffs in history even though I don’t use cruise

Thank you

[tawdry herald]

And we are merge

[brave bluff]

They are merge

[red fox]

I am merge