quartz summit
Death should be more consequential. Currently, the fastest way of getting back in the game is pressing respawn after 10 minutes, which means most people end up doing that, where often revival efforts take that long or longer.
20 minute respawn timers change that, and also help prevent people from going straight back to fighting someone they were just killed by etc (which is pretty lame in my opinion).
halcyon fog
More strict new life rules are far better then this
you shouldnt be able to return with the same name/character
You shouldnt remember anything from before
This wont just affect PVP this also makes death too punishing for players to wait for respawn personally a lot of people will just leave
quartz summit
outside of expeds, you can get revived by medics usually
if you have your suit sensors on
then you'll often get revived if there is anyone running medical
even if you are stuck floating in space
grave ruin
Could yoink what hullrot does. If we really want people to think before doing risky biz
quartz summit
I've also made changes to make heads more durable, so people's heads often survive explosions
so getting fully RR'd with no possibility of comeback by an explosion is much rarer
halcyon fog
outside of expeds, you can get revived by medics usually
well if you want respawning to be like this then make FTLing no longer get blocked because running away should be more viable if you want to make death more punishing
quartz summit
ship death has little to do with you dying
you can always make the call to ditch your ship
halcyon fog
oh it has everything to do with it
if your ship dies youre going to die as well 9 out of 10 times
quartz summit
if you can't manage to manuever yourself into FTL ability
you can at least ditch the ship before it gets blown up
halcyon fog
and die in space
quartz summit
or take cover in a strong point, or something
halcyon fog
changes nothing
quartz summit
and die in space
you can call for pickup
or try to board or
any number of things
halcyon fog
literally never going to work comms are always compromised even if they arent you dont always have people helping you
quartz summit
anyways, this is pvp, I don't see the downside still to this
halcyon fog
Well its simple
if you cant run away from a engagement and when you die it takes 20 fucking minutes to come back then you are quite literally directly nerfing factions like rogues
quartz summit
nerfing the losers
halcyon fog
they have weak ships most of their tactics are based on suicide
quartz summit
always the losers
quartz summit
if you cant run away from a engagement and when you die it takes 20 fucking minu...
if your plann is to suicide with no recovery plan than you should be punished
instead of respawning in 10 minutes instead of 20 to do it again
quartz summit
not my problem
rogues are fine, they don't need an unlimited army of respawning europas to beat the tsf\
and if they do, thats a total server balance problem
and unrelated to respawn timers
halcyon fog
fatality rate of a rogue is much higher then TSF
quartz summit
not really
halcyon fog
yes really
quartz summit
often its about the same
anyways
just... don't do suicidal actions and value your life
is it really that hard?
your arguments don't make sense
halcyon fog
well if you give rogues ships with 10 layers of plastitanium and 2 charons
yeah
it works
sure we dont need to suicide then
quartz summit
this has nothing to do with ship durability or shit
quartz summit
respawning endlessly to nonstop attack the TSF is
not good gameplay
so I think I'm fine with it being gone
get creative instead of doing something dumb like that
halcyon fog
get creative?
get creative doesnt work in this game and not in this balance of weapons
quartz summit
besides, the TSF get to endlessly respawn too
every tsf member you kill in 10 minutes will be ready to fight again
although you do get their gear
halcyon fog
yeah but its easier to not die as TSF
halcyon fog
which is precisely why raising respawn timers is going to make rogues unplayable considering how often you die as a rogue
quartz summit
its unfun gameplay for all sides to endlessly respawn and charge in to die again
quartz summit
and in war people die and tend to stay dead
quartz summit
currently, they barely stay in their body to get revived
quartz summit
yes
halcyon fog
which makes this change even more one sided
quartz summit
people don't get revived because people don't try to revive people
because they know they'll just respawn
because people just respawn already
halcyon fog
no because nobody cares enough about rogues to revive them
halcyon fog
rogues are not organized groups of players
theyre not gonna revive you unless you died in the hideout
quartz summit
rogue commander skill issue smh
halcyon fog
nobody is going out of their way to come and revive you
quartz summit
rogues are not organized groups of players
than they should suffer for it
halcyon fog
no its coded that way
quartz summit
not really
quartz summit
is it because any rogue agent can buy a europa?
halcyon fog
theyre insurgents not medics
halcyon fog
but they arent
quartz summit
rogue commanders organize the rogues
Oscar is a great example
if they do not want to be organized however
they can suffer for it
they are suffering for it
halcyon fog
oscar barely organizes rogues he just does his own little operation and people join him he isnt asking people to join him
oscar organizes only a quarter of the faction at a time
white phoenix
We have a lot of RR already in pvp so this would be pretty bad imo
halcyon fog
TSF is extremely different
halcyon fog
different lore different playerbase different conditions different tools
TSFMC has nothing better to do so they will revive you
quartz summit
so do rogues
halcyon fog
rogues? they have a million better things they can do instead of coming in to save you
quartz summit
rogues have nothing better to do lol
halcyon fog
yes they do
quartz summit
rogues? they have a million better things they can do instead of coming in to sa...
yes, and therefore you should be punished for your faction's negilence and over-reliance on respawns
halcyon fog
I can smuggle I can go fight steal kill hunt get better gear do bounties
white phoenix
I prefer getting rr as a rogue than getting in a cell and /ghost after 30min of staring at a wall
halcyon fog
yes, and therefore you should be punished for your faction's negilence and over-...
See Im not getting punished the guy dieng is getting punished
for chosing the rogue faction
as it is barely anyone plays rogues as soon as TSF gets any players they start to outnumber rogues 10 to 1
quartz summit
rogues don't try to revive or get back the bodies because they know rogues will just respawn 9/10 times
halcyon fog
no its because nobody revives them that they respawn
10 minutes is a long fucking time
quartz summit
its really not
white phoenix
Should be lower
halcyon fog
theres no minimum
white phoenix
should be lower with more strict new life rules
I would put a new rule about having a grace period of 30 min
halcyon fog
dying should be significant
dying is significant you lose money gear and progress
you lose your knowledge of the ingame world as well
you have to learn everything again and pretend like you didnt learn it all already
white phoenix
Making new characters everytime you die is kind of tiring
halcyon fog
Change the name
quartz summit
you don't have to make new characters
halcyon fog
you should have to make new characters man I dont see why the guy I killed 10 minutes ago just respawned as CO janitor
I literally just shot him in the face?
white phoenix
Change the name
From Declan declaw to Declaw Declan 
quartz summit
something something cloning
halcyon fog
if I kill somebody I dont want to see them again that shift
hard socket
Keep adding numbers to your IPCs name
white phoenix
Keep adding numbers to your IPCs name
Hold up that's fire
hard socket
if I kill somebody I dont want to see them again that shift
I think this would be fine if shifts weren’t 10 hours
halcyon fog
shifts should be 6 hours
we agreed upon that
in a previous suggestion
thats probably also gonna change so
quartz summit
I dunno
white phoenix
quartz summit
making new characters on death sounds more like
a general RP downgrade as you make dolls for the meatgrinder
rather than anything of actual significance
halcyon fog
hard socket
a general RP downgrade as you make dolls for the meatgrinder
I think both have their downsides RP wise
quartz summit
how
halcyon fog
even if you can respawn with the same character
you shouldnt be able to remember
ANYTHING
hard socket
But I do think that making new chars every time you die is annoying
quartz summit
losing memory is guaranteed yes
halcyon fog
Right now it doesnt happen theres no rule for it either
quartz summit
but someone's ability to roleplay not remembering something is irrelevant to their current choice of character
whether its the same or a meatgrinder doll
hard socket
how
On one hand, coming back from death constantly is goofy, on the other hand, making a bunch of faceless goons to replace the other faceless goons is boring
hard socket
I don’t think either demolishes RP but both can be a bit goofy
oh yeah, it’s not bad bad either way
quartz summit
faceless goons is badly designed characters
I'd say it demolishes RP if thats what you try
quartz summit
it is important
hard socket
faceless goons is badly designed characters
A single character that keeps respawning to get back into the grind of combat can also be bad rp wise if that’s all they ever do
On the other hand you can still rp with a continuing streak of goons from a factory
Both depends on how it’s played out tho
quartz summit
not really?
RP requires a character
an endless army of random goons instead of a character is
95% of the time just no character
grave ruin
On one hand, coming back from death constantly is goofy, on the other hand, maki...
Honestly I think it can lead to interesting rp. I keep track of every time carry is cloned.
hard socket
RP requires a character
A single character that only ever frags and does nothing else is also not really a character
grave ruin
Currebtly sitting on 28 clones in and that number can be leveraged in certain situations for interesting RP and story benefit.
hard socket
the difference between them is one has a single name
What I mean to say is, is that if someone is using a character to just be a vehicle to interact with game mechanics
grave ruin
Also it can depend. I play randos pretty often. You just gotta wing it and see what happens most of the time.
hard socket
Then it doesent matter if they use a single character or a billion throw aways
quartz summit
its less likely for a billion throw aways to be a character
or well a billion characters
most people struggle to develop and manage 5+ characters already
its, hard on people
one character, much easier
hard socket
I guess I’m just used to people having ALOT of characters
grave ruin
Also for new life I tend to go with the usual you can only remember what happened up to your point of death
grave ruin
Even if your a clone that was layered in from a cortical stack. That's best case.
hard socket
I’m used to people having like 10 characters and shit
grave ruin
Frankly so ethjng that could be interesting could be offering actual cloning insurance for characters.
quartz summit
Also for new life I tend to go with the usual you can only remember what happene...
should really be forget everything
or at least forget how you died
quartz summit
I'm less sure about actual in-game clones
grave ruin
Honestly I think it should be more variable.
quartz summit
maybe being cloned on site should be less punishing memory wise
hard socket
I'm less sure about actual in-game clones
Could say that your backup only goes to before the shift started
quartz summit
they do have your brain still
grave ruin
Maybe offer a cloning insurance option in game or in lobby
quartz summit
memory brain transfer go
besides, its pathetically easy to not clone someone and just do a brain transfer or something
so
I'd say no restrictions lol
hard socket
In game resurrection shouldn’t have a restriction
quartz summit
oh agreed
hard socket
Tho full respawning should
grave ruin
For sure we should figure out why the same character can die more than once. I tend to go with the idea of clones. But souls do exist and have impacts on the real world.
But you also have situations like with the vox
Individual voc primalis only have the cortical stack as essentially them.
The body isbt really the vox. Is the stack that's the vox
So how are the coming back all the time when that needs to be recovered?
grave ruin
And why can't the remember what happens to em? They aren't the body there the stack.
grave ruin
That one series that had cortical stacks
Your thinking altered carbon.
astral berry
I’d agree with this if most deaths weren’t from ships liquifying your corpse
grave ruin
And we could but the thing is that not every species works under those rules
hard socket
Your thinking altered carbon.
yeah that
astral berry
THOUGH there is talk of trauma team being added and medical insurance
Longer respawn times would make buying insurance be more valuable
I’ll updoot
hard socket
THOUGH there is talk of trauma team being added and medical insurance
i hope
grave ruin
Frankly I'm game for longer respawn times.
hard socket
id love trauma team rp
quartz summit
I’d agree with this if most deaths weren’t from ships liquifying your corpse
there's sadly no getting around getting fullgibbed lol
hard socket
look at a corpse
quartz summit
although, sometimes even then your brain could be found
hard socket
"THIS GUY ISNT INSURED PACK IT UP"
quartz summit
shoved into another body
grave ruin
Or even a cloning tax. But I really think clones should have memory up too your death.
hard socket
longer respawn times seems fine
astral berry
Trauma team will get you a new body if you have high enough insurance
hard socket
i think not ebing able to use the same character is meh tho
astral berry
We could do it like borderlands where we charge people to respawn early
grave ruin
That.. I kinda like.
quartz summit
interesting
astral berry
We could even get the shitty taunting lines from borderlands
hard socket
would be funny if respawning would put you at MD
over just right back at a faction base
grave ruin
Wait and get free cleaning cloning but if your willing to axe 15% of your cash you can spawn in early. Maybe with memory bennies
hard socket
but that might be TOO annoying
astral berry
“Hyperion encourages you to run into a minefield again, it makes us money”
quartz summit
being able to instantly respawn for a tax sounds fun
grave ruin
Frankly id much prefer having more options like that.
hard socket
maybe make it only usable on that character
grave ruin
Uhh hullrot has an option to respool at a 20% axe to your bank account.
Could just add in two buttons.
hard socket
i think something like that should make you spawn at MD
or maybe MD or CO
like you can only choose between the two
halcyon fog
THOUGH there is talk of trauma team being added and medical insurance
see the problem is theyre not gonna help rogues
grave ruin
I agree maybe the character has to start with a lobby item for it too? Like a medical insurance package paper work
halcyon fog
see the problem is theyre not gonna help rogues
they CANT help rogues in fact
hard socket
they cant?
grave ruin
They can, do, and will
halcyon fog
TSFMC wouldnt let them
halcyon fog
if I was playing TSFMC I wouldnt let you
grave ruin
I've had multiple shifts where medical refused to aid TSF
It's not up to the Marines.
hard socket
you could probably circumvent this with in universe lore
grave ruin
It's up to medical.
quartz summit
they CANT help rogues in fact
I'll help rogues for payment
usually tho, the TSFMC would blow me up if I'm not sneaky tho
grave ruin
I'll gladly pay good money for full recovery package.
quartz summit
same with helping TSFMC
halcyon fog
it is very much up to the marines
quartz summit
which is why you don't see it happen that much
halcyon fog
unless trauma teams get quadruple charon motherships
I dont see how they have a choice
See the way the military works is you either comply or you get shot
and thats a fact
grave ruin
Guess who voided the NAP and isnt getting any medical treatment then.
halcyon fog
as if they need the medical treatment
they have brigmedics
they dont need your help theyre self sufficient
grave ruin
Who die like flies in a lantern
quartz summit
Guess who voided the NAP and isnt getting any medical treatment then.
if TSFMC blows you up for treating rogues than I don't see why rogues shouldn't do the same honestly
if we want to pretend medical is a neutral entity instead of obviously TSF aligned we have to accept this
grave ruin
Agreed
astral berry
if I was playing TSFMC I wouldnt let you
theyre gonna be more then armed enough to kill marines
lol
hard socket
what consequences there are should be handled ICly
grave ruin
Hell yeah
halcyon fog
theyre gonna be more then armed enough to kill marines
Yeah for sure them pistols and 90mm autocannons surely will help them against a serpent
quartz summit
give em cyrexas and charons
halcyon fog
theres no way in hell anyone thinks medics should be more armed then the military lmao
quartz summit
no one fucks with the medicilitary
astral berry
theres no way in hell anyone thinks medics should be more armed then the militar...
theyre trauma team
do u know what trauma team is based off of
halcyon fog
youd have to get your brain smashed by a elephant and start game development the next day
grave ruin
Honestly I think they should just have hyper efficient non lethals.
quartz summit
i'm afraid cyberpunk isn't in monolith
astral berry
astral berry
theyre horrifying
hard socket
fucking bolters
astral berry
you dont fuck with trauma team
halcyon fog
lmao 4th faction added trauma team(even more loot box factions)
hard socket
theyre for the ELITE
grave ruin
So maybe not a charon. But for sure some brutal EMP tech.
astral berry
lmao 4th faction added trauma team(even more loot box factions)
they exist purely to heal people
hard socket
i do think it would be funny as hell to make the trauma team SUPER stacked in equipment
but have strict rules on using it
astral berry
all theyll do is go for patients based off insurance
they arent alligned
theyre true neutral
halcyon fog
they exist purely to heal people
and rogues exist purely to kill them and get their gear if you do give them gear lmao
astral berry
They wont lose in a fight to rogues
quartz summit
all theyll do is go for patients based off insurance
so they kill tsf to heal rogues then got it
astral berry
theyll likely have acidifiers
hard socket
theyll likely have acidifiers
holy based
astral berry
they kill anybody preventing the revival of their patient
hard socket
wait so like
quartz summit
I doubt the TSF would tolerate such an arrangement
hard socket
if they die
quartz summit
they'd get obilterated by mass charon fire
hard socket
their gear will just go poof?
quartz summit
as a faction
halcyon fog
even if TSFMC lets you revive rogues theyre gonna arrest them right afterwards which is basically same as dead
mild ginkgo
sleeper word heard
grave ruin
Also wasn't there talks about giving them death squad tazers with biometric locks?
mild ginkgo
kill charon from game
astral berry
if you kill one trauma team ship another one shows up in its place
astral berry
Also wasn't there talks about giving them death squad tazers with biometric lock...
yes
hard socket
even if TSFMC lets you revive rogues theyre gonna arrest them right afterwards w...
tbf i dont think they need to care after that
they just need to revive them
halcyon fog
which also makes medics a TSFMC alligned faction naturally making so called "trauma teams" a target for rogues
astral berry
which also makes medics a TSFMC alligned faction naturally making so called "tra...
they arent alligned with anybody
grave ruin
Yeah they just got a fulfill the contract package
halcyon fog
Bro it doesnt matter what you do if your goal is to revive people and you arent gonna break laws you ARE TSFMC alligned
astral berry
what
halcyon fog
fucking simple
halcyon fog
youll murder marines who get in ur way bro
even if you revive a rogue
lets say you did
grave ruin
Uh hey loyalist?
halcyon fog
and TSFMC let you
grave ruin
What about the USSP
halcyon fog
TSFMC dont get a choice
say they let you
astral berry
theres no "letting" bro 😭
halcyon fog
because yes they do get a choice this is potentially a hyperwar scenario we all know it bro
grave ruin
Like your assuming that any of this goes cleanly for anyone.
astral berry
this isnt hyperwar it would just be over
halcyon fog
this isnt hyperwar it would just be over
even if you DISREGARD that whats going to happen once you revive a criminal or a rogue?
astral berry
you comply or you die
halcyon fog
say you revived them
astral berry
even if you DISREGARD that whats going to happen once you revive a criminal or a...
they continue on with their day
halcyon fog
what happens now?
astral berry
not your business as trauma team
grave ruin
They walk. Simple as.
astral berry
you retrieve the patient, bring them to your base, and fix them
grave ruin
Not your problem anymore
hard socket
trauma team is like
halcyon fog
they continue on with their day
how are they gonna do that? is the trauma team gonna leave you at hideout? TSFMC is going to arrest the guy who just got revived has no ship or anything else
halcyon fog
it is your problem buddy because if youre reviving people just for TSFMC to arrest them youre still TSFMC alligned
hard socket
is not your problem
astral berry
thats not how being alligned works bro
youre not working with marines
youre just reviving people
grave ruin
I mean frankly. Who cares just get em on a bus and off station.
astral berry
this isnt a "youre with me or against me" thing
hard socket
if a medic treats an enemy soldier during a war they arent fucking enemy aligned for doing so
theyre doing their job
quartz summit
revive my enemies and I will kill you
astral berry
Good luck
quartz summit
if a medic treats an enemy soldier during a war they arent fucking enemy aligned...
well sadly this isn't a war smh
halcyon fog
it is because if you revive me and hand me to fucking TSFMC intentionally unintentionally Im going to fucking hunt you and Im not even a person who attacks medics normally but this time medics have military gear so theyre basically fucking lootboxes and let me tell you every single other rogue like me is also going to fucking attack trauma teams you know why? because theyre juicy lootboxes that help your enemy faction
quartz summit
this is a tsf controlled sector with insurgents
astral berry
functionally atleast
quartz summit
this is terrorism control
hard socket
i mean
astral berry
it is because if you revive me and hand me to fucking TSFMC intentionally uninte...
IF YOU PAY FOR MEDICS TO REVIVE YOU
AND YOU GET REVIVED
THEN YOU GET ARRESTED
THATS ON YOU
😭
grave ruin
Yeah kinda
hard socket
revive my enemies and I will kill you
there is nothing stopping tsf from taking the revived rogue
grave ruin
Like yeah
quartz summit
tsf just rr's rogues like 90% of the time anyways, one way or another
usually they'll execute em and thats it
astral berry
also you seem to still think trauma team is gonna be just some target that rogues can go after
you dont fuck with trauma team
they will eviscerate you
halcyon fog
no buddy thats on you because you handed me to TSFMC on a golden plate I have no ship I have nothing if you dont help me get on a ship of my own and run away you are helping them directly or undirectly Im going to see you as part of the enemy and I am going to hunt you down
it is simple
grave ruin
Frankly I mean I've always had a doubt attack medics clause as rogue. It's a bad play. They'll help you if you work with em.
hard socket
you control the buttons you press
halcyon fog
they will eviscerate you
tell that to fucking TSFMC they get jugsuits yet they get wiped by 2 rogues 9 out of 10 shifts
quartz summit
are trauma team supposed to hand TSFMC to the rogues now lol?
astral berry
tell that to fucking TSFMC they get jugsuits yet they get wiped by 2 rogues 9 ou...
because rogues have better guns
lol
also cuz marines are morons
halcyon fog
because rogues have better guns
no they dont if you think that thats because youre unrobust
quartz summit
yeah guys rogues are unbalanced nerf them into being shitty pirates
astral berry
Rogues have better guns marines have better hardsuits
halcyon fog
they have better armor and they have better guns the TSF is superior to rogues in every way
astral berry
???
hard socket
rogues can just not pay for trauma team
quartz summit
jugsuit
hard socket
like its not like Trauma team would revive anyone
astral berry
you rarely see the annie bro
grave ruin
Same deal for rogues with the whisper.
Like rogue gear is worse than most gear in sector
halcyon fog
I rarely see the annie? buddy I always get the annie any fucking moron who knows what a gun does in this game will get a annie or at least a similar strat
astral berry
good for you
halcyon fog
have you ever seen a aurora suit + hf blade+ energy shield combo?
Ill kill 20 rogues with it
I can
astral berry
yeah, its not frequent enough for me to care
grave ruin
Okay. Cool?
quartz summit
have you ever seen a aurora suit + hf blade+ energy shield combo?
yeah its pretty garbage you're better off in a heavy tacsuit
grave ruin
Like whats your point with any of this?
hard socket
if rogues have an issue with being revived by trauma team and handed to TSF cause of it
dont pay for trauma team
astral berry
if marines have a zillion FUCs they are strong?
hard socket
its like
astral berry
hard socket
complaining you get spotted if you run with IFF on
halcyon fog
yeah, its not frequent enough for me to care
yet it is frequent enough that it happens every shift and it works you want to add a lootbox faction thats clearly biased thats on you I dont give a shit but this shit shouldnt affect respawn timers or any other mechanic
hard socket
just dont run with your IFF on
astral berry
yet it is frequent enough that it happens every shift and it works you want to a...
theyre not biased
this has to be bait
halcyon fog
this is facts
quartz summit
anyways once again this has like almost nothing to do with respawn timers although I would personally always pay for trauma team smh
halcyon fog
thats what makes them undirectly biased
astral berry
if you commit crimes you go to jail, that isnt their problem
you PAY them to REVIVE you
that is their job
quartz summit
if you commit crimes you go to jail, that isnt their problem
the implications that you can commit crimes
on this server
its funny
prisoner of war?
what's that, can I eat it?
meatspiked
astral berry
why would the medics give a flying fuck if you go to jail or not
they care if youre alive
quartz summit
if you die trauma team saves you
they gonna raid FOB now?
halcyon fog
if you commit crimes you go to jail, that isnt their problem
Buddy its simple youre a rogue and you get revived if the trauma team doesnt assure you are CAPABLE of leaving and not getting killed by TSFMC okay thats great but if you fucking leave them on CO or next to a fucking serpent you are biased and you are going to be hunted down
astral berry
if a priority patient dies in FOB
halcyon fog
it is very fucking simple and important
astral berry
marines better give em up
quartz summit
cool story bro
grave ruin
they gonna raid FOB now?
I mean why not. I've seen Mercs do it
astral berry
Buddy its simple youre a rogue and you get revived if the trauma team doesnt ass...
hey so thats not what bias means
at all
astral berry
you pick up your patient, heal them, the rest is up to them
youre the LEAST bias group
you exist to heal
that is it
hard socket
Buddy its simple youre a rogue and you get revived if the trauma team doesnt ass...
just dont pay for trauma team if this is a concern
astral berry
nothing else matters
grave ruin
Yeah no the medics are just going for the money there
hard socket
you DONT HAVE TO BE REVIVED BY TRAUMA TEAM
quartz summit
yes, then hand them back to tsfmc so they can kill them again after you rescue them from fob
astral berry
if you escape the cops they dont care
grave ruin
If anything there bias is to the Almighty speso
halcyon fog
nothing else matters
see thats exactly why you shouldnt give them military gear if they didnt have military gear I would say okay theyre just healing people but if they have military gear theyre combatants and theyre helping TSFMC Im going to kill them
quartz summit
I'd kill you for it smh
grave ruin
yes, then hand them back to tsfmc so they can kill them again after you rescue t...
That would be a great grift actually
astral berry
theyre helping the people paying for insurance
they will open fire on marines if they prevent that
astral berry
this is low tier rage bait
halcyon fog
so what I say is
hard socket
rogues paying for trauma team would be funny
quartz summit
they will open fire on marines if they prevent that
the idea that a faction can directly stand up to the TSFMC, the providing power of the system, and not be some kind of fuckin government is absurd
halcyon fog
as long as you dont touch any game mechanic I dont care about this faction
in fact I hope you do give them military gear so I can raid them for it
quartz summit
USSP can get away with it because at least they're a fuckin government
astral berry
the idea that a faction can directly stand up to the TSFMC, the providing power ...
hey so big money is very real
quartz summit
Rogues... presumably a former government
astral berry
american pharma companies could afford a military that could wipe out europe
this isnt as absurd as you seem to think
quartz summit
hey so big money is very real
the issue with money is that it can't buy you a dedicated RnD enterprise to make the latest cutting edge guns and ships
halcyon fog
USSP can get away with it because at least they're a fuckin government
USSP isnt actively fighting TSFMC every round theyre neutral parties
its a different scenario for rogues
astral berry
the issue with money is that it can't buy you a dedicated RnD enterprise to make...
it
literally can
money can buy anything
quartz summit
can't
hard socket
lockheed martin is a company
that pay money
to research and designers
and engineers
quartz summit
if the TSFMC decided that the Trauma team was hostile they'd be wiped out into oblivion
stop
halcyon fog
money can buy anything
then why dont we uhh give rogues 500k ships with 60 charons on all sides of it where its basically a cube of doom
astral berry
slippery slope fallacy
quartz summit
you're just biased man
quartz summit
how can they stand up to a full government
quartz summit
why is the government fucking rich?
astral berry
THEYRE RICH BECAUSE EVERYBODY NEEDS MEDICINE!!!
quartz summit
oh yeah, I wonder why...
astral berry
AND THEY CHARGE ABSURD RATES!!!
quartz summit
THEYRE RICH BECAUSE EVERYBODY NEEDS MEDICINE!!!
and yet the best they could do is make or hire a large PMC
hard socket
is there corporate lore in this
astral berry
Trauma team functionally is a gigantic PMC
quartz summit
Even Nanotrasen isn't on par with the TSF
and they're, legit ze biggest corporation out there
astral berry
good thing the entirety of the TSF isnt in the rogue sector
if they were
this wouldnt be the rogue sector anymore
quartz summit
ok but the rogues aren't accountable to the TSF because they're enemies
halcyon fog
theres enough to kill a bunch of medics
quartz summit
if the trauma team is some kind of government or some shit
or well
big corporation
they're accountable to the TSF
astral berry
its gonna be the military vs a super heavily armed heavily funded PMC
quartz summit
everywhere
quartz summit
it makes no lore sense
halcyon fog
you wanna add a corporation where its just medics? great just dont make them geared up
astral berry
trauma team is a group of mercs functionally
halcyon fog
if you give them gear then you make them targets
hasty solar
yoink what hullrot does
astral berry
Rogues and Marines can both hire trauma team
attacking them helps nobody
youre not getting the gear off em
theyll acidify
quartz summit
Rogues and Marines can both hire trauma team
rogues and TSF are not well balanced in terms of forces
if it was USSP, it makes sense
but rogues aren't even a real power
quartz summit
the TSF fucking dominates over the rogues
lorewise
if there were say, treaties that enforce revival
that's one thing
but military power to force revival of basically terrorists?
no
quartz summit
nonsense
astral berry
look at trauma team like REALLY well equipped mercs
quartz summit
and the TSFMC is a full military organization funded by a government
astral berry
governments are funded by corporations
astral berry
theyre not in opposition
white phoenix
I say the rogues are wining right now
hard socket
militaries are also, built on corporations
quartz summit
that's the definition of opposition
quartz summit
like I want the trauma team to exist but at the moment there is no treaty protecting rights to revivals or anything of the sort
astral berry
dont prevent revival of their patient
quartz summit
neutrality is not real
astral berry
Trauma team will never beef with people for fun
quartz summit
expect they don't really have anything to stand up to the TSF with
astral berry
Trauma team will do what they need to retrieve a patient, thats it
quartz summit
Trauma team will never beef with people for fun
cool story
halcyon fog
as long as he doesnt change any game mechanic other then adding this faction I think a playtest of shitshow is the best argument you can ever present
halcyon fog
worse
halcyon fog
Well whatever you say
quartz summit
the trauma team's purpose is to annoy people
astral berry
trauma teams purpose is to revive patients
you can avoid them entirely by not preventing revival
halcyon fog
just dont get mad when the playerbase makes 100 memes about killing medics
astral berry
medics gonna rock your shit
astral berry
you cant pretend to need medical attention
they will show up if your vitals monitor drops
quartz summit
capture gameplay is currently hampered by current systems
especially fuckin turrets
and respawn
astral berry
when your tracker goes off
quartz summit
there is literally no point
astral berry
they show up and fix you
halcyon fog
respawn should NEVER change
astral berry
if someone prevents them fixing you
quartz summit
liike
halcyon fog
thats the one thing that should never change
astral berry
they get rid of the obstacle
quartz summit
maybe some point? I like it and I like roleplay but there is no purpose and often little effort to bother
halcyon fog
they show up and fix you
then they die and I get to use their oh sweet sweet gear that is planned for this faction
astral berry
how do you plan on killing trauma team
and have fun getting gear off the acidified dude
godo
halcyon fog
trauma team when they heal me and the 10 rogues in my toilet ambush them while they try to leave
white phoenix
Trauma team should only be for civilians
quartz summit
how do you plan on killing trauma team
I find it ironic that a team dedicated to saving lives makes their own dudes completely unreviveable
white phoenix
If they tried to revive a tsf they get sbit
astral berry
I find it ironic that a team dedicated to saving lives makes their own dudes com...
because their own dudes arent patients
astral berry
trauma team should be civillians
then they wouldnt be trauma team
theyd be medicsz
which isnt what trauma team is
halcyon fog
trauma team doesnt work in a world in which people will kill you for your hardsuit
quartz summit
just give rogues a dedicated combat medic role or something smh
white phoenix
That would turn trauma team just another tsf role lol
astral berry
trauma team doesnt work in a world in which people will kill you for your hardsu...
death acidifier
ive said it three times
halcyon fog
That would turn trauma team just another tsf role lol
literally
white phoenix
Very dumb
quartz summit
dumb as fuck faction
astral berry
That would turn trauma team just another tsf role lol
Are we playing different games
white phoenix
I would unironically target them
quartz summit
cool concept ttho I guess
halcyon fog
death acidifier
yeah well ill take it off before you succumb how do you think people acquire gear off nukies
lmao
astral berry
Because nukies are morons
quartz summit
and so will your trauma team
quartz summit
lmao
astral berry
thats why you make acidifiers proc on crit for trauma team
simple as
problems with solutions
quartz summit
you're fuckin delusional man
white phoenix
Like even as a USSP
quartz summit
get out of your own head
halcyon fog
thats why you make acidifiers proc on crit for trauma team
so you plan to make their ships dogshit?
white phoenix
You guys have been spitting nonsense for half an hour
Rage baiter
astral berry
so you plan to make their ships dogshit?
Nope
halcyon fog
because if their ships are good then well thats also worth capturing
astral berry
Ark said theyd have the best FTL drives and shields
white phoenix
so you plan to make their ships dogshit?
I he is AI bro
astral berry
you wouldnt take them out
white phoenix
Don't mind him
quartz summit
Ark said theyd have the best FTL drives and shields
unanchorable of course because looting the trauma team is mechanically made impossible with little to no justification ic other than "the dev said so"
astral berry
cuz youre going after medics
hard socket
it would be fucking hilarious trauma team dying cause they went into crit from something minor
astral berry
so real
halcyon fog
try again
I am not trying to be a asshole here but to be real with you this idea of a faction wouldnt work unless you want them to actually do hyperwar with the factions
quartz summit
cuz youre going after medics <:Godo:1321264068706963467>
"trauma team is not medics"
halcyon fog
theres no such group
quartz summit
if you want the trauma team to be a faction in the game they can't be "medics"
astral berry
I am not trying to be a asshole here but to be real with you this idea of a fact...
this is because of people like you who murderbone
you are the problem not the faction
lol
quartz summit
???
quartz summit
this is because of people like you who murderbone
attack the argument maybe
lets just
quartz summit
not fight each other
astral berry
the argument is based off of the assumption that everythings gonna be hostile immediately
quartz summit
yes
white phoenix
Lmao
quartz summit
lets just have eternal peace
astral berry
argument built on a shoddy foundation
quartz summit
no more murder
halcyon fog
youre going after a group you shouldnt be going after
this server is the type of server in which there are no protagonists buddy theres no faction that you shouldnt be going after if theres a reason then theres a way and no way in hell is any game mechanic change is going to happen in which case your faction is somehow invulnerable
astral berry
Trauma team is a neutral party, no reason to jump them if they could save your life
you try youre gonna lose
quartz summit
Trauma team is a neutral party, no reason to jump them if they could save your l...
they aren't neutral
astral berry
they are neutral
quartz summit
you said so yourself
halcyon fog
fnr acidifiers = protag faction
hes calling it you arent supposed to go after them which is stupid I dont see why I shouldnt go after anyone if I have a reason to do so
quartz summit
if you don't pay them they are an opposing party
astral berry
theyre not opposing
theyre just not supporting
wanna know whats inbetween that
neutrality
astral berry
they dont support the enemy
quartz summit
close enough
astral berry
they support whoevers paying
quartz summit
which is, sometimes, your enemy
astral berry
the "enemy" is a construct made up by you
they don't care who your enemies are
they care who pays and who doesnt
theres patients and non patients
quartz summit
they should care when I blow them up for trying to heal rogues that killed 5 TSF members and they all acidify because "oh they special protag fraction you shouldn't go after"
astral berry
if you get in the way of revival youre gonna get killed
quartz summit
new rule "Don't attack the trauma team ever"
quartz summit
or I could kill them
astral berry
you could try
quartz summit
because you seem to unable to accept that even deathsquad dies
but this trauma team
they're stronger than DS
they never die
astral berry
theyre about on par
halcyon fog
just wont end well
quartz summit
yeah Im gonna go murderbone as a trauma team member for fun with their op gear have fun bye
astral berry
thats how you get banned
halcyon fog
banned for what?
quartz summit
thats how you get banned
no they killed my patient
astral berry
fail RP
hard socket
deathsquad can die from RPGs
hard socket
like 2 direct shots
quartz summit
which, they had no idea it was my patient
quartz summit
Theres no reason for trauma team to kill people pointlessly
as yes tell that to the TSF
astral berry
trauma team does warn you
I should make that clear
They very loudly proclaim trauma team is here back the fuck up
quartz summit
the TSF are a great example of how good people are at not killing pointlessly
quartz summit
They very loudly proclaim trauma team is here back the fuck up
protag faction, stronger than every other faction, enforces their will absolutely, any resistance means death
hmm...
astral berry
Trauma team shows up, forces you to back away from their patient, takes the patient, and leaves
white phoenix
protag faction, stronger than every other faction, enforces their will absolutel...
That's laaaaameeeeee
Don't add trauma team
quartz summit
That's laaaaameeeeee
yeah thats the TSF XD
quartz summit
would you consider deathsquad protags
astral berry
no?
quartz summit
cause I would
astral berry
I think you mix up protag with being strong
quartz summit
I think you mix up protag with being strong
"being strong" is the TSF
"being protag" is the Deathsquad
astral berry
The trauma team isnt a threat to you unless you get in their way, youre very easily able to just not get in their way
quartz summit
The trauma team isnt a threat to you unless you get in their way, youre very eas...
yes just run from the deathsquad
they won't kill you
see
quartz summit
how does this add any interesting gameplay on a faction based level
astral berry
what
quartz summit
being OP is protag enough
quartz summit
they are the main character
halcyon fog
you want to turn them into the protag
astral berry
strong doesnt mean protag
astral berry
So in one piece
imu, the strongest character
theyre the protag?
because theyre the strongest?
quartz summit
TSF are protags
hard to tell they get beat up all the time lol
grave ruin
Jesus y'all are still on this?
quartz summit
yeah I'm getting baited really hard
astral berry
a protagonist is just the leading character of a narrative, the primary focus
grave ruin
I'll say.
astral berry
the primary focus of the monolith narrative is technically the TSF
protag has nothing to do with strength
halcyon fog
closer you are to being invulnerable more it focuses on you
halcyon fog
this isnt a anime its a game
quartz summit
a protagonist is just the leading character of a narrative, the primary focus
a faction that cannot be denied due to being so incredibly strong is the "primary focus"
halcyon fog
no hes not
astral berry
as a kid?
quartz summit
yes
halcyon fog
he makes perfect sense
quartz summit
I was like, 99% percentile
astral berry
you know how in a lot of books
astral berry
theres a VERY strong character
quartz summit
theres a VERY strong character
you ever heard of superman
halcyon fog
its a game
astral berry
Im talking to the other guy though
astral berry
trauma is absolutely a mary sue
halcyon fog
but in a video game more often then not the protagonist the main character is invulnerable or close to being so
especially in story games
astral berry
You might be confused
quartz summit
trauma is absolutely a mary sue
then it should be sent back to the drawing board
grave ruin
yall night wanna make a separate thread
astral berry
I mean in reality theyre just really heavily funded mercs
halcyon fog
then it should be sent back to the drawing board
no really its simple just dont give them good gear make them actually just medics
astral berry
no really its simple just dont give them good gear make them actually just medic...
but thats not what trauma team is
halcyon fog
healing people doesnt need guns or armed ships to do so
halcyon fog
but thats not what trauma team is
well then a trauma team isnt going to work in this server
astral berry
Trauma team has guns and armed ships so that people preventing the revival of their patient are dealt with
quartz summit
healing people doesnt need guns or armed ships to do so
unironically all of this could be achieved with an actual treaty and diplomacy instead of op gear
rules of war type shit
astral berry
theyd work fine as long as people didnt fail RP and throw themselves at trauma team for no reason
halcyon fog
theyre TSF alligned
astral berry
theyre definitely not
halcyon fog
everyone else has a very good reason to attack them
astral berry
thats not how allignment works
halcyon fog
thats exactly how it works
quartz summit
since I doubt ark would ever approve a faction that was DS level
They'd be TSF aligned yeah
halcyon fog
if they arent TSFMC alligned then even TSF is going to attack them
quartz summit
@languid token thoughts?
astral berry
Ark wanted to add trauma team from cyberpunk
quartz summit
Is the the Trauma team unironically
astral berry
im explaining to you what trauma team is
ark probably has his own views on them, but he said theyd have busted gear
quartz summit
DS level squad with the strongest weapons/guns/ships in the game meant to bully all the other factions around that oppose them?
astral berry
they dont bully factions who oppose them
trauma isnt gonna like
go after TSF fob because TSF keeps attacking them
or go to camelot cuz USSP keeps attacking them
halcyon fog
they will
astral berry
they just clear the immediate area when securing patients
halcyon fog
do you even know what the playerbase youre working with is?
halcyon fog
that would be fail RP
no it wouldnt be
astral berry
it 100% would
halcyon fog
if I am attacked I am going to respond
astral berry
Okay if youre a member of trauma team
youre not gonna hunt people down
thats not your job
if you do
hard socket
could just have hard rules on it
astral berry
youre fail RPing
hard socket
as well
astral berry
You dont need hard rules
halcyon fog
could just have hard rules on it
what?
astral berry
thats frontier shit
quartz summit
could just have hard rules on it
adding hard rules to factions...? Frontier gameplay anyone?
astral berry
Part of RPing as trauma team is RPing that you were hired by trauma team and following trauma teams standards
trauma team would not hunt people down, that would be fail RP
trauma team shows up, retrieves the patient, and leaves
nothing else is relevant
if they hunted a base down cuz that faction was annoying them, theyd be fail RPing
halcyon fog
yeah what trauma team is just suicidal psychos who dont have survival instincts? they get shot and they dont respond?
astral berry
because thats not how trauma works
halcyon fog
you change the narrative as the argument goes on
astral berry
yeah what trauma team is just suicidal psychos who dont have survival instincts?...
They only respond to IMMEDIATE threats to their PATIENT
ive repeated this
many times
halcyon fog
at first it was they have OP gear they will destroy you now it is they wont attack you
astral berry
if you are preventing revival of their patient
astral berry
at first it was they have OP gear they will destroy you now it is they wont atta...
They will destroy you if you attack them
halcyon fog
and theyre TSFMC alligned
astral berry
if you attack trauma team you will be destroyed because you are getting in the way of their job
theyre not gonna hunt down your base
they dont care about your base
theyre just gonna get rid of immediate threats
astral berry
You literally just made up the fact that theyre TSF alligned
