[SPOILERS] Star-Crossed World

[karmic pebble]

real quick cause I'm stupid

how do you search for something under one post in the toy box instead of all of them???

[red mango]

discord update

they finally allowed you to search in threads

[karmic pebble]

like say I'm trying to look at the media in the air riders section

how do you single it out?

[timber plaza]

the search function upgrade and pin limit increase is the best thing ever

[karmic pebble]

hhhow

[timber plaza]

in: "Kirby Air Riders" has: embed

[red mango]

you just do something like in: "thread"

[karmic pebble]

ohhh do i need the quotes?

[red mango]

yeah quotes are needed to distinguish threads

[karmic pebble]

I seeeeee now

it's still going over every mention of the word Kirby Air Riders

[red mango]

you may need to update discord

[karmic pebble]

I'm on mobile

and it just updated a day ago

[red mango]

ah its probably not fully supported on iOS yet

but if you type out the name of the thread in full quotes it should work

[timber plaza]

I can do them on my end

checked on both pc and ios

[icy tapir]

basically unavoidable damage if you dont do anything woaw

would that have OHKO'd on wildmode without life up

[ruby geode]

iirc yes

[edgy sapphire]

Yeah it will kill w/o it

[normal holly]

ouch

[pastel ravine]

This is fine.

[autumn turret]

Saw someone get|| sucked into black hole after the core rotated lol
https://www.twitch.tv/gordo489/clip/BlazingNimbleTubersBIRB-f-IVYyDQvLR31dBp ||

[normal holly]

...surprised ||black hole hitbox|| still exist like that somehow 😅

[autumn turret]

Oh

Guys its so joever

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956652403724263495/1417017416868954152/hal_hates_fun.mp4?ex=68c8f3cf&is=68c7a24f&hm=ae6d03ab9d3fd98d81f3b856de04caeea5e747ee7ca45c099aba9e662164892f&
Chaos Elfilis cloning doesn't work even if you go out of bounds

[normal holly]

||does it apply to UCZ orb form too? (Not ZEX one) ||

[civic sun]

||that is UCZ one||

[normal holly]

oh

[autumn turret]

pppl really just be saying shit

[normal holly]

||curious if cloning glitch is something that possible to bring back(?) via mod once switch 2 modding become possible in some day... ||

[autumn turret]

I mean there's little reason to bring back the cloning glitch when you have modding since you can just mod in as many elfilis as you want onto the stage directly in the first place

it'd just be for the novelty

[junior zealot]

we just have to patient, in 2028 faye will make a mod ||with 5 elfilises lords of chaos||

[autumn turret]

in 2028 I will have fell into the lifestream and also the switch 2 will still not be moddable

[junior zealot]

excuses, excuses

be like gaster and program shit while you are scattered across time and space

[autumn turret]

Ooh I took a look at the video

||I feel like when I saw the star bullets they were doing even less
So I think rather than fixed damage its like
Maybe incorrectly calculating how much damage everything does to be way less?||

but idk

[autumn turret]

||I forgor, have we seen that you can survive this in spring breeze at full health||

[twin junco]

yuh

[autumn turret]

||it does look like you should survive considering how much damage it did||

Ah ok

[edgy sapphire]

Yeah I prob would've survive even w/o using the hp up at that time

It just got dangerously close for comfort

Think that the attack already ended right as I used it too

[autumn turret]

Wait at 2:05 in your video
||Does
Does that black hole actually work||

||It kind of looks like
It shouldn't work||

||Because the core's outside of the invisible wall it kind of looks like it can't actually suck you up b/c the invisible wall will keep you away from it||

[edgy sapphire]

||yeah, I think that it wouldn't work as well since it went too out of bounds ||

||I stopped moving like a second after the attack ended tho so I can't say for certain ||

[autumn turret]

||That's hilarious
When I made this exact same attack in my mod I also had to deal with that problem||

||I also had to deal with a problem where after getting sucked into the black hole the game could respawn me out of bounds b/c it doesn't respawn you where you get sucked up but like a set distance away from the core in a random direction||

||It kind of looks like the game still does that so it'd be funny if that's a problem they missed too||

||It's still so crazy to me they made it so that you can get lasered and then sucked into the black hole while in the laser recoil
Even if they nerfed black hole's damage compared to regular UCZ||

||Ah wait ok saw the deadly sun on spring breeze, looks like you activated the health item right after the last bit of damage from the sun anyway so cool||

||Oh right I knew the para red bits had a hitbox when they started moving towards you but that means they have the same issue where you can run into them to take damage and have iframes for the actual explosion lol||

[edgy sapphire]

||yeah, but I think it's less egregious in this case since the explosion isn't a multi-hit I think & the body hitbox still does decent damage ||

[autumn turret]

tru

||Wait oh yea wow that's a lot of damage for walking into them wtf||

||Actually does walking into them when they're following you just straight up do the same amount of damage as the explosion||

[edgy sapphire]

Prob

Wouldn't doubt it if so

||Also something I noticed as the fight progresses is that the soul waited longer in between attacks ||

Like it's extremely noticable at around the 18-19 min mark

[autumn turret]

||Oh yea i think that's a feature in base game too||

[edgy sapphire]

Ah ic

[autumn turret]

Wait actually

I think the feature was in the base game code but they just made it not do anything

Ok wait no it does do something I see

Ok yea
There's a 戦闘時間 Battle Time variable that increments at the end of the soul core's attack cycle

Throughout the core's attack cycle its told to check a 待機 standby function and the function tells the core if the Battle Time is at 0 (so first loop of its attack cycle), standby does nothing, then if the Battle Time's at 1, standby makes the core wait for 1 second, and if the Battle Time's at 2 or above, standby makes the core wait for 1 second

||So yea they probably expanded this to actually do more than make it wait 1 extra second after the first loop||

||Triple Clawroline nice||

||Oh nice you even checked if the pillars in the sunlight variant would push you up like in the tackle variant||

[edgy sapphire]

||yea, noticed that I suddenly teleported up the pillar during a test run once so I wanted to check it again||

[autumn turret]

||Cool that they made it so the sunlight ones just push you out while the staircase ones launch you to the top of them when they spawn on you||

[sinful ridge]

||do you guys think that star crossed world gave forgotten land the best lineup of knight bosses in the series?||

||the ultimate cup zex's phantom meta knight and morpho knight are genuinely fun as hell||

[edgy sapphire]

Haven't messed around with them yet but it's nice so far

||sucks that phantom mk rarely does the single/double slash into double quick crescent anymore. It was a neat thing to counter against dodges||

[fast crest]

... strange how he disappeared after that was posted. Hasn't posted in 3 years!

[edgy sapphire]

||Morpho has improved but most of the difficulty is mainly just from it constantly throwing psychic beasts||

||I think it uses the quad slash less often, which is good too||

[sinful ridge]

||True, but all morpho needed was a way to keep you moving because now it's harder to anticipate where he will teleport to||

||also morpho hits pretty hard so it hurts when you get hit by him||

[autumn turret]

||Morpho does not hit pretty hard dude doesn't have a hitbox above 40 damage||

[fast crest]

I will say, (UCZ EX) ||Morpho Knight was the fight that made me liberally use the two guard attacks of Morpho Knight Sword. Both the ghosts and the scale wave.||

[sinful ridge]

True but it's very hard to dodge him

||they gave him alot of ways to chip damage off of you||

[autumn turret]

The one cool thing about Morpho is his giant swords do 40% damage on guard instead of the usual 20%

[sinful ridge]

||It helps that he summons the forgos to mess you up||

[edgy sapphire]

||it's true that you can get overwhelmed and blindsided offscreen by Morpho ZEX, but the forgo beasts also can grant you free slow down for dodging. Tho I guess some can consider it a good thing as well ||

[fast crest]

||I'm not great at dodging them, admittedly||

[edgy sapphire]

Example clip

Also pov: toy hammer

[autumn turret]

its beautiful

[sinful ridge]

||slow time can easily become a bad thing because you can dodge into morphos attacks||

[edgy sapphire]

Tru, but I think it's on the tamer side compared to what other bosses can do

[autumn turret]

how does that make it a bad thing

'being able to walk is a bad thing b/c you can walk into an attack'

[edgy sapphire]

Since ||Morpho doesn't really have a lot of long lasting hitboxes or shockwaves outside of the ultra sword slash and scale waves maybe (I think you can chain Dodge that one)||

[sinful ridge]

||Because morpho clutters the arena with the clones||

[autumn turret]

ok and
Like how does that make dodging bad

morpho fills the place with attacks whether or not you dodge

[edgy sapphire]

O right, wanted to show off this

[autumn turret]

the slow move is so funny

[edgy sapphire]

I'm 75% sure this is consistent so they likely have a set pattern at least for the 1st phase

[fast crest]

(UCZ EX) ||Only if you position yourself incorrectly. I imagine knowing your positioning is just part & parcel for good runs, and if it isn't obvious, the altered patterns will certainly teach you the hard way...||

[sinful ridge]

Yeah thats honestly what i love about the new uczex

||it makes you genuinely think about your position and the bosses patterns and when to attack||

[fast crest]

||Eh, the patterns are certainly more difficult, but the process to conquer them is the same. Perhaps it's just me being used to it, though.||

[sinful ridge]

I used to just brute force it

So maybe thats why i love it so much

[icy tapir]

if the ||meet myself|| part of ||NEICHEL's last song|| was eng only I wonder how they even came up with the lyric or if kumazaki told them about the stupid ass miiverse post

[gaunt mural]

||I wonder if we're supposed to interpret the song as stating that Neichel ended up leaving the New World or not.||

[red mango]

I think ||it's supposed to be interpreted as death tbh||

[gaunt mural]

||Because the song mentions that the narrator left the New World at certain parts, but at others the narrator, seemingly Neichel, states that dimensional gates won't make her wish come true and mentions her memories of the world.||

[red mango]

||like its an unfinished last song, that's leaves a few sad interpretations as to why its her last song and why its unfinished||

[gaunt mural]

||I think you may be right.||

[fast crest]

(100%) ||My interpretation is that NEICHEL wrote and composed the song before trying to depart for another world. Whether or not she made it out alive is ambiguous, but I fully believe that she never sung the song because she had the music playing while making preparations to depart||

[sinful ridge]

||does this mean that she could be part of morpho knight?||

[vocal sparrow]

||will the Kuma interview reveal more Neichel lore? I Hope so!||

[gaunt mural]

||I hope there's a 35th anniversary concert featuring Twinkling Star Showers and Last Song. Also, I think they should feature their new world language lyrics in a pamphlet like they did with Welcome to the New World.||

[nimble pewter]

ok so question ||do you think chaos elfilis took Genwel's spear in some sense of vengeance or did chaos just do it for even more power despite already having the power of a godlike entity||

||also rip chaos-elfilis's antares version, it looked so cool||

[nimble pewter]

also ||did genwel want revenge or was it a cooler dbz "lmao skill issue imma do it myself" thing||
ik memes depict ||the latter|| but is it left to interpretation

[karmic pebble]

i'm on android

works on pc tho

[quartz oriole]

||i feel it's both tbh||

[nimble pewter]

fair enough

||what about the reason for chaos-elfilis picking up genwel's spear? do you think it was some kind of revenge thing or did they merely want power?||

[sinful ridge]

He probably wanted both

[nimble pewter]

i mean maybe but ||the perfect support guide said chaos-elfilis was only a blind destroyer and that morpho ate most of their personality when they partially consumed their soul||

||so imo it was probably just power||

[sinful ridge]

||Well he definitely wanted power, but depending on how you look at it he was aware of his brothers death||

[nimble pewter]

*they

[sinful ridge]

||wait do you think that im talking about morpho or chaos?||

[nimble pewter]

||I mean chaos was probably aware, i'm asking if it was just "lol lmao skill issue", "i will avenge you brother" or (no reaction)||

[nimble pewter]

||chaos/fecto is they them (except for those two random figures that use he/him on fecto elfilis's weaker form||

||Morpho is it/them (except for announcer dee saying it's he/him. Elfilis is NB and morpho is left ambiguous gender||

[sinful ridge]

||i think that it was a "ive got this bro, sit tight" and the chaos became controlled rather than pure destruction||

||the zex version of chaos elfilis, while still being very chaotic, seems like they knows what they're doing more than the Z fight||

[nimble pewter]

||I mean from what I've seen i didn't notice a difference||

[sinful ridge]

||they seem alot smarter when it came to their attacks

For example, they teleport just before slashing at you

They use the crystals to cut the arena before coming down to attack you

And the way they use their lasers seem alot more disciplined and understanding||

[nimble pewter]

||they teleported towards you before slashing in the og fight too though||
||and the crystal usage is smart, but so were the fakeouts the boss was already doing||

[sinful ridge]

I see

Well

||considering that his title changed to "lord of chaos" i think that they've definitely been practicing||

[orchid harbor]

apparently ice storm with blizzard ice is really good against phantom dedede, as in he can't smack gordos fast

and since blizzard storm also counts towards the alpha awoofies, most of em are knocked into phantom dedede in the process of using ice storm on phantom dedede

then pick up the hammer then smack the goofy outta the phantom

[nimble pewter]

||i mean maybe but also could just be a power boost||

[pastel ravine]

How are Galactals even made

I’ve never understood it

[true aurora]

The Galactals are born from the meteor itself
Since they’re glooby like Mefilis was before absorbing the Starries I’m guessing they’re all literally a part of him that detached at some point when the meteor fell from the sky

[civic sun]

yeah, and it just absorbs crystal stuff

[true aurora]

Yup, sort of like Mefilis absorbing the Starries
Funny thing is his final form also fights like them by using crystals as his armor

[junior zealot]

and crystal stuff is probably where it got its resemblance to galacta knight

[civic sun]

Galactals being made from Meteonelfilis's goop gives a similar vibe to how Forgo throws clumps of their own cells during their fight (with the move called 増殖行為 (Act of Proliferation)) imo
just actually doing more with that

[pastel ravine]

They must be huge fans of Galacta Knight

[civic sun]

like I had always wondered what was up with that move's name lol

[mint swan]

Would you guys drink the Crystal goop

[true aurora]

Def

[mint swan]

Wrong answer you explode when a Galactal forms inside

[civic sun]

it'd probably taste too sour

[mint swan]

We should create factions between Forgo goop and Crystal goop

[icy tapir]

also i think its insane how much like

the Switch Era actually shares motifs with each other in a very like specific way

[lapis reef]

No, but I'd definitely be tempted to poke it

[icy tapir]

like playing RtDL DX on its own can lead you to both KSA and KatFL and you'd connect some dots

[junior zealot]

i think thats the idea

their way of world building and storytelling evolved greatly

[pastel ravine]

I love Kirby games graaahhh

[arctic stone]

Wait
||Are we really calling the last arena ZEX??||

[pastel ravine]

|| Yeah, it’s a good abbreviation.||

What would you call it

[arctic stone]

||tbh ypu are pretty right, is just funny||

[twin junco]

soul melter ex is smex

[junior zealot]

smex vs zex

i actually started saying "this is smexy" over this abbreviation 😭

[flat wadi]

"Tonight, darkness or light, whose birthday will it be?" WAIT I DIDNT SEE THIS WHEN LOOKING AT THE JP LYRICS OF TWINKLING STAR SHOWERS WHAT

[junior zealot]

neichel be having her version of hyness rant in a song form

[flat wadi]

the "book of legends" being neichels song writing book

[arctic stone]

Pov: your bible was actually a jpop's lyrics book and ideas

[junior zealot]

jpop lyrics book and ideas from a PROPHET

[lapis reef]

Hyness: It will take time to decipher these ancient symbols...
Those ancient symbols:

(ignore that it's a christmas song)

[junior zealot]

well consider this

what if its not a christmas song

but a voidmas song

[lapis reef]

Hyness makes them sing it every year

[junior zealot]

mage sisters sing voidmas carols every year

[lapis reef]

When's the album? I'd buy it

[wild stirrup]

Mariah Carrey immediately entered my head

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-majin-vegeta-dragon-ball-legends-dragon-dragon-ball-z-gif-16608221371907468706

[autumn turret]

I...
I was about to say deck the halls isn't the christmas carol I associate her with but I just realized I can't remember which one is

[broken sapphire]

IT'S SEPTEMBER

[heady quiver]

do you remember

[sinful ridge]

Thank you star crossed world for bringing back my morpho knight hyperfixation

[red mango]

she literally says twinkle twinkle little star she's not even hiding that it's supposed to be a lullaby

[true aurora]

Magolor reading Hyness’ Book of Legends to learn the greatest mysteries of the Ancients only for it to be the lyrics to Neichel’s iconic holiday album that plays 24/7 in Alivel Mall

https://tenor.com/view/scared-shocked-letter-shocked-carta-assustado-lendo-assustado-gif-9865558537950598670

[wild stirrup]

Nah hes too busy building theme park attractions and raking the dough to notice

[true aurora]

True

[stone tundra]

is toy hammer +star actually

really strong

[lapis reef]

Yes

[lapis reef]

The main thing is that the attack power is the same as the other hammers once all are fully upgraded. But toy hammer is the fastest (letting you do damage faster) and its charge attack delivers all the damage in one giant hit instead of several small ones (which I'm reasonably sure is how people use it to skip phase transitions)

[timber plaza]

The song in question (this song is important because it’s about how Galacta Knight gets sealed away by the crystal several times throughout the history) https://youtu.be/aAkMkVFwAoo?si=kTMCgHwkb-GEpBUO

[pastel ravine]

No, not Mariah Carey

Someone call the starries

[smoky river]

I remember having this idea that the reason why neichel wears a hat and covers her eyes is because ||she got into an accident that caused her to gain elfilis' eyes and antlers||

[sinful ridge]

Where was this said?

[smoky river]

It's a hc

[sinful ridge]

But where is it shown ||that she got elfilis' eyes and antlers||

[timber plaza]

Anvd said it’s a headcanon

[sinful ridge]

Ah

[stone tundra]

alright brb, upgrading it fully...

toy hammer is a lot of fun and bonk is not so fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSSUb9okVnM&list=RDjSSUb9okVnM&start_radio=1

this theme ROCKS so hard.

[smoky river]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[pastel ravine]

Xenoblade levels of guitars for a miniboss theme

Amazing

[sinful ridge]

Guys

Tell me why star crossed world made me tear up

Like in winter horns

The music

[autumn turret]

sulfur in the air

[sinful ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-kirby-car-mouthful-mode-dancing-music-gif-25215033

[calm cobalt]

I bet almost everyone had to stop for a moment as soon as they entered originull wasteland levels

Gotta be one of the best level intros out there with how hard it hits

[sinful ridge]

God damn

If this was DLC FOR THE SWITCH 2

What the hell will be in the next kirby game

[stone tundra]

Kirby Star Cross Universe

[cloud olive]

i 100% scw again

i can't wait for the next fully new kirby game

mainline i mean since air riders is also this year lol

[twin junco]

cant wait for revenge of morpho knight

[nimble pewter]

hal labs heard "20 dollar switch 2 upgrade dlc" and chose to try and actually make it worth the 20 dollars, something i fully admit the rest of nintendo should learn from (i mean i've seen way worse but still)
too bad I CANT PLAY IT

(I lack sufficient funds nor do I want a switch 2 for one game)

[nimble pewter]

what is the connection here i dont get it
why does a bunch of genwel stuff call back to Galacta Knight

[twin junco]

u dont have to spoiler genwel meatballsubsandwich anymore btw

just stuff thats after him like uczex spoilers

[pastel ravine]

Genwel, I don’t mean to alarm you…

[nimble pewter]

is it just "||the starries sealed galacta||"
is that it?
feels more connected than just that, what with genwel's GALACTAL minions that look like galacta knight and genwel summoning a rougher cut of GK's crystal prison as a shield in phases 2 and 4 and the GK leitmotif appearing twice, the second time with guitars at that

there has to be something, right?

[pastel ravine]

Who knows man

That won’t stop me from maintaining the fraud knight agenda

Strongest warrior in the galaxy my ass

[keen garnet]

I know someone who does Soul Melter EX Yearly, abbreviated to SMEXY

[nimble pewter]

nah i respect gk

dude is capable of just doing as much damage as marx's black hole with his multihit combo in ssu

[pastel ravine]

Wake me up when he’s canon

Otherwise i dub him a fraud

[timber plaza]

It would be very nice if my camera stops doing this to me

[twin junco]

what am i looking at

[pastel ravine]

Kirby’s perspective

[timber plaza]

I was trying to get a good picture of Mefilis crystallizing Kirby in the attack

Keep getting distracted trying to get a picture

[chrome vigil]

They don’t look like Galacta but like Para Matter

Imo

They look very similar. And no not the three elemental versions that Drawcia uses I mean like the weird pink / purple ones

||And yeah the connection to Galacta knight as far as I can tell is literally “The Starries sealed Galacta Knight so the guy who absorbs the power of the Starries has a connection”||

[icy tapir]

||NEICHEL is a weird parallel where the character is specifically said to not travel or implied has never travelled but has dreams and ideas of what it means to travel||

which is interesting

we've always had Traveler characters that did eventually like. Travel

but ||NEICHEL|| is the one ||character where she never had the chance or is implied to never had the chance to travel||

[chrome vigil]

||I personally like to believe she believes that the world wasn’t lost and that she could maybe with some other humans that didn’t wanna travel, live in her old world||

||But after some time of so many other humans leaving and no hope of getting the planet back on track… yeah she would wanna travel wouldn’t she?||

[icy tapir]

ya and i find it interesting that she's one of the few ||concepts of a character who parellels the traveler motif without actually getting to travel||

[chrome vigil]

||Because she the Lor Starcutter :))||

||”artificial heartbeat official”||

[timber plaza]

||Vocalor||

[chrome vigil]

[primal charm]

I'm proposing that ||GK is to MK what Meteonelfilis is to BWD. Obviously significantly less direct but uhhh they both have a spear||

[icy tapir]

idk if i ||believe that Genwel is a hero||

pretty sure that guy is like

a war general

[twin junco]

more like
a genewel

[icy tapir]

with their spear, Ares

Like the whole conversation with ||Elfilin about how Melfilin is a possibility is like||

||Implies the whole point of him being sealed was that he was evil||

and ||he is, only stopped by the Starries changing the course of the Meteor into the ocean||

||And it seems that their species just Does this because Elfilis tried to do this first||

[primal charm]

The heroes are only called heroes because they sealed away Void. We don't really know what they like beyond that
Look at GK himself, he might not be outright evil but he's certainly not good

[icy tapir]

before ||Genwel noticed Elfilis failed and then tried to crash into the planet many years later||

also nah

i have my own theory as to what GK is

||GK is a weapon, its always described as powerful, the "strongest warrior" but we've never been given a kill count, and the only two things we know they sliced is Star Dream and Nightmare Wizard||

||Its sealed because its power is too great, not because it was evil or good||

||The strongest warrior that doesn't question what its battling, by some metric, is the most strongest warrior regardless of power||

[primal charm]

Well that's kinda my point

[icy tapir]

idk how this applies to ||Genwel|| at all

[primal charm]

Plus Meteonelfilis is absolutely dripping with heart imagery

[icy tapir]

||Theyre sealed in a way that Elfilin remarks that Starries helped give himself a consceince||

yeah sure but i still dont really see any reason to believe theyre a hero

[primal charm]

They don't need any

[icy tapir]

also i don't even think ||That the main dreamland 4 are supposed to be parallels of the heroes of yore||

[primal charm]

There's nothing to show GK is, but that didn't stop them slapping the label on him

[icy tapir]

considering KSA's whole shtick is you could choose who your other 3 are

for all we know ||The parallel Heroes of Yore is Kirby Waddle Doo Vividria and Kawasaki||

And if we go the Clash route

none of those are spear users

its Sword Doctor Beam and Mage

[primal charm]

Ehh that might be the game design but it seems really obvious that lore wise they parallel the main four

[chrome vigil]

||Void Termina uses 4 weapons in his fight. He is the only one that encountered the 4 heroes personally at once and summons things from memory||

[icy tapir]

we dont even get descriptions of who those 4 are 😭

[icy tapir]

YEAH AND IT SUMMONS A BIG ASS BOW

we have NO ONE who uses a bow

[chrome vigil]

||Yeah he summons
Swords
Spears
Bow and arrows
And an axe||

[twin junco]

sword doctor hammer mage

[icy tapir]

sorry hammer was just that forgettable

ALSO YEAH like

[twin junco]

beam is what mage moveset is

[primal charm]

Beam is mage yeah

[icy tapir]

Axe Sword Spear and Bow and Arrow

If anything

it parallels the Mage Sisters

except theres a Bow and Arrow missing

[chrome vigil]

I believe in that the most

[icy tapir]

like you can't really say "BWD parallels the heroes of yore" when the heroes of yore don't really match up

[chrome vigil]

Yubb

Dedede has wielded an axe before though

[icy tapir]

Ok and whos bow and arrow

[chrome vigil]

Idk

Just thought it would be nice to say

[primal charm]

I mean the spear still works under that interpretation lol

[icy tapir]

eh

considering its use of the spear is

literally Zan actually wait

isnt hte weapons just referencing that he absorbed the mages 😭

[twin junco]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1410236410564182097/1411585108846051358/ME..gif

[icy tapir]

yeah nah we have like

0 info about the heroes of yore

the most we have is a "parallel" in SKC and even then it doesnt match up with the main Dream Land 4

[chrome vigil]

I heard a theory that the 2 moon masks are old relics of the ancients

And that two of the 4 heroes used them

And that they were Meta’s and Dedede’s ancestors

[icy tapir]

everythings a relic of the ancients it came with your Star Rod on a whole galaxy of planets

[chrome vigil]

It was mostly about this

I like the idea of Dedede’s ancestor being one of the heroes

[primal charm]

The sword bow spear axe interpretation matches with the main 4 interpretation. If you...give kirby a bow

[chrome vigil]

With the axe thing and all

[icy tapir]

which he doenst even have in KSA

in fact it only ever reappearsi n the Switch era for KF2 😭

[chrome vigil]

Dedede has wielded one with ease before so I say maybe it’s a primal thing in him? Idk

[icy tapir]

doesnt match up at all

[primal charm]

King D Mind

[icy tapir]

also that would mean the Bow and Arrow should stick as Kirby's shtick

[chrome vigil]

No XDDD

please no

[primal charm]

Yeeeeeesssss

[icy tapir]

HE WAS LITERALLY BEING PUPPETED

WITH STRINGS

VERY VISIBLE STRINGS

[chrome vigil]

STILL IT WAS HIM

AND SHADOW DEDEDE DOES IT TOO

[primal charm]

MK is GK
DDD is Dmind
Bwd is genwel
Kirby is yet to be seen

[icy tapir]

Like we gotta dispell all of this Hero of Yore stuff we have not gotten literally any info about them whatsoever

not in Magolor Epilogue

[chrome vigil]

That could actually make sense in a way if you really put in tinfoil hats

[icy tapir]

not in the Clash Games

not in Forgotten Land either

we know they exist we just dont know who they are and what they are

[twin junco]

void (im feeling evil)

i love making zero sense at all

[primal charm]

I'm still leaning to something related to Dark Matter

But none of the dark matter characters we know feel right

[chrome vigil]

I don’t think it’s Genwell specifically but…

Yeah a good Elfilis…

Could be

[icy tapir]

I can imagine a whole different elfilis species character yeah

[primal charm]

When the next game comes out and has a new dark matter character with a bow

[icy tapir]

like

[primal charm]

You know what's up

[icy tapir]

https://wikirby.com/wiki/Spear_of_the_heart

this is the MAIN page we get for the Heroes of Yore

[chrome vigil]

And again: SUCH A FAN of the Dedede’s ancestor is an ancient hero of yore theory

[icy tapir]

as far as we care, all of them could be Spear users

[chrome vigil]

Because him randomly wielding an axe just seems like such a sign even though it probably isn’t

But I believe

[twin junco]

all of them wielded the love love stick

[primal charm]

Well yeah. I acknowledge that it isn't so direct, but I still have zero doubt that the heroes are parallels of the main 4

[chrome vigil]

Yeah Kirby is just this wild card

[primal charm]

Did someone say Miracle Matter

[chrome vigil]

Hard to really put a species to him and all that would parallel him

[chrome vigil]

I will find you

[icy tapir]

WE DONT EVEN KNOW IF THE AXE IS A REFERENCE TO A HERO OF YORE OR JUST FRANCISCA

[chrome vigil]

VOID TERMINA USES 4 WEAPONS!

WHO ELSE KNOWS THE HEROES BETTER?

[icy tapir]

THE BEING THAT GOT REBORN AND DIDNT KNOW WHAT TO DO?

[chrome vigil]

It’s still the same guy…

Like for all we know it still has the memories

Otherwise where did the bow and arrow come from?

Or the Master Crown

[chrome vigil]

Still

[icy tapir]

U can't tell me "oh this guy remembers" when one of the descriptions is "it has started to think"

[chrome vigil]

If it has no memories it doesn’t explain anything

What the fuck is the giant huh?

That’s a memory too

[icy tapir]

Who is saying theyre memories 😭

[primal charm]

Isn't the whole point that everything physical it generates is things it's seen before

[chrome vigil]

The texture it disappears by…

[icy tapir]

not a single word of "memory" is in this entire wiki page

[chrome vigil]

It disappears the same way as the weapons

[chrome vigil]

YES

EXACTLY

[icy tapir]

you tell me where that's from

[chrome vigil]

That’s why I don’t think the clean slate thing makes sense

[chrome vigil]

I personally theorize it is a kind of fusion between the 4 heroes

[icy tapir]

because i am looking at this wiki page where people who have been tirelessly trying to dispell void misnformation have been working nonstop ever since KSA released

[icy tapir]

not even that

i meant the "it comes from its memory"

[chrome vigil]

After all it would have been the last thing it saw before it was sealed

[icy tapir]

where is that said

[chrome vigil]

It isn’t but it is made from it and it is obvious

The way it disappears when Void Termina jumps out

[icy tapir]

...

[chrome vigil]

It’s the same way his other things do

It’s just another memory like the weapons

Same with the Master Crown

[icy tapir]

you keep saying that word despite nothing describing it as a memory

[chrome vigil]

Comes and goes the same way

[icy tapir]

like you have to acknowledge that there's no actual like reason to believe there's a memory until you show me that there is a reason

[chrome vigil]

Have you ever asked yourself how Dark Matter Clone got the rainbow sword?

[icy tapir]

didnt that have a whole bullshit of transaltion error as well

[chrome vigil]

Nope

That’s from miiverse

Straight from the guy’s own mouth

[icy tapir]

do you like

know why

i say that

[chrome vigil]

Hm?

As far as I am aware that is just fact…

No one really had anything to say about a translation error

Even my like… biggest Kirby fact source

[icy tapir]

its not recreated by Dark Matter

its recreated by Star Dream

it was never a Dark Matter ability

[chrome vigil]

Huh? But then why… why did we talk
About this…?

[primal charm]

Why should I trust one random discord message over another lol

[chrome vigil]

Also true

[icy tapir]

because this is the entire server where we have to talk about this shit

[chrome vigil]

Still I never saw anyone actually talk about this

[primal charm]

If you're gonna do the whole "show me where it's stated or its not true" then you may as well pack it up since 90% of the lore is only implied

[chrome vigil]

This feels like an asspull to me

[icy tapir]

its a known topic that teh Rainbow Sword being a memory wasn't a Dark Matter thing

[chrome vigil]

Well then why doesn’t anyone mention it?

Legit I never heard about this

Never

It was always just the words from Miiverse

[icy tapir]

Dark Matter remembers the Sword

but the sword we dont even know where it comes from

considering Sectonia Clone has her swords i dont htink it was like

a Dark Matter thing

[chrome vigil]

Can I know

[icy tapir]

its just the clone thing

[chrome vigil]

The EXACT

wording

In that translated miiverse post

[junior zealot]

i mean either way why would dark matter clone wield a weapon that slained it for any other reason

[icy tapir]

afaik its "the rainbow sword comes from Dark Matter's memories" but no where is it stated is that its because Dark Matter made it by itself

[chrome vigil]

Because it strong? Idk

[icy tapir]

and it tracks because Sectonia Clown has her rapiers and staves

[chrome vigil]

It’s cool

[primal charm]

Slew

[chrome vigil]

Eh that’s good enough for me

[icy tapir]

it also tracks because Dedede Clone literally has his Hammers

[junior zealot]

i mean i dont see vampires using swords made out of garlic just because they're strong

[chrome vigil]

I don’t believe the other interpretation

[junior zealot]

(stupid comparison but you get my point)

[primal charm]

Garlic isn't strong on its own though

The rainbow sword is

[chrome vigil]

Yeah…

[junior zealot]

yeah and dark matter is weak against it

[chrome vigil]

I mean sure but Dedede wields it all the time

[junior zealot]

i guess better comparison would be superman using a kryptonite sword

[primal charm]

Yeah I'm saying the rainbow sword is still a strong sword in its own right

[chrome vigil]

It’s not like that has to be a memory thing

[primal charm]

Not only because DM is weak to it

[chrome vigil]

That would weaken him though XDDD

[icy tapir]

Ah yes Dedede has the power to recreate weapons from his mind

I'll note that down

[junior zealot]

well yeah thats the thing

[chrome vigil]

If you really think about it…

[junior zealot]

weapons cant be a part of someone's dna lol

[chrome vigil]

He CAN infinitely throw his hammer

[junior zealot]

i just interpret it as him catching it like a boomerang

[chrome vigil]

After it explodes?

[junior zealot]

i mean it can catch on fire and be fine

[chrome vigil]

But yeah no I don’t really think gameplay counts

Mostly joking

But who says like some wood of the hammer can’t be in Dedede’s pocket or whatever

[junior zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-x-amy-hamer-amy-rose-hammer-amy-rose-burning-hammer-amy-rose-mad-amy-rose-angry-gif-23837787

[chrome vigil]

He carries it with him all the time

[junior zealot]

i mean he could always be doing what amy is doing

so idk

[chrome vigil]

For all we know it could just be with him as he got captured too

So they might have just scanned the Hammer too

[junior zealot]

well thats the thing dedede never got captured (its very ambigious how they got his dna in the first place)

[icy tapir]

what is amy doing with her hammer

[junior zealot]

she can

manifest it

[primal charm]

Working it

[junior zealot]

out of thin air

[chrome vigil]

…

[icy tapir]

Okay

[junior zealot]

well he didnt

he was left behind in the castle rubble

lol

meta knight was the one who got captured

[primal charm]

Hammerspace

[chrome vigil]

Actually yeah now that you say that…

[icy tapir]

I cant believe we like went this far

anyway

[chrome vigil]

How DID they get his DNA?

[icy tapir]

Heroes of Yore has no information and I will not believe any Parallels until they say anything

[primal charm]

Hammerspace is called Hammerspace for this EXACT REASON

WHERE DOES THE HAMMER COME FROM

[chrome vigil]

Also if we believe you the Void Termina bow thing doesn’t mean jack shit

[icy tapir]

like unfortuantely for hte Dream Land 4 i have no reason to believe any of them are Parallels to the Heroes of Yore besides being 4 heroes in general

[red mango]

do you think if Dark Nebula got recreated it would have an attack where it splits into triple star projectiles

[icy tapir]

I mean

they would have to do something to make the boss fight fun

i think they'd clone Dark Daroach

which then phase 2 becomes Dark Nebula

[red mango]

I'm not saying this to prove or disprove anything

[junior zealot]

this is my headcanon but its just headcanon with no real basis lol. i just thought that it would Be Cool

[red mango]

just a thought

[icy tapir]

gruc i caught ur drift no worries

[junior zealot]

and galacta knight is in some ways darker reflection of meta knight

[primal charm]

But that's exactly why they wrote the story of 4 heroes

That's the thing you're missing

[chrome vigil]

DMK crying in the corner

[icy tapir]

ok but we have 0 idea if theyre actually paralleling them besides the fact that they are 4 Of Them

[junior zealot]

dark meta knight loses by being overly literal

[primal charm]

You're trying to find an extraneous reason to justify what's already in the premise

[icy tapir]

genuinely dont know how to tell you we can't say "BWD is a parallel to hero of yore"

[primal charm]

I just did

[icy tapir]

we dont even have a lick of information about any of the hero of yore

[chrome vigil]

How about the 4 classes in clash?

[junior zealot]

we will probably learn more specifically about this sooner or later

[icy tapir]

all we know is that they used Heart Spears

[junior zealot]

i just hope they wont make another fucking

clash game

to deliver said lore

[chrome vigil]

Nah I’ll give HAL my life savings

[primal charm]

I actually liked Kirby Clash

[chrome vigil]

[junior zealot]

every time a kirby fan says "i hope they make another clash game" i lose touch with reality (why would you want that)

[primal charm]

It's fun

You get to hit things

[chrome vigil]

If you have money

[junior zealot]

i can hit things in good games

which clash isnt

[primal charm]

Not even

[chrome vigil]

Although I do have to say that Super KC was better

It was less pay to win

[icy tapir]

I hope they make another Clash game but with a skill tree and a plot

[chrome vigil]

(And make it an actual normal game)

[primal charm]

You just gotta be patient

Patience 2 win

[junior zealot]

they can never make a clash game that isnt free to play garbage because it would automatically lose competition to super kirby clash

like why would you buy a kirby clash that costs money when you can play one that is free

[chrome vigil]

When I buy a video game I don’t play to be patient

[icy tapir]

like this is the only fucking

mention

of the heroes

[chrome vigil]

I play to kick ass

[icy tapir]

Genuinely net zero information

[primal charm]

I know that you know how thematic parallels work

[icy tapir]

Sure but we have like

0 themes

[junior zealot]

i think the main reason why, while i headcanon them to be parallels, we cannot be 100% sure, is the fact that star allies does not

[icy tapir]

genuinely

this is why

[junior zealot]

have a canonical main character party

[icy tapir]

This is why we cant say anything

we 0 themes otehr than "there aer 4 spears per Hero"

[primal charm]

The theme is 4

[icy tapir]

"so there are 4 heroes"

the theme is 4 could mean anything

[primal charm]

It's the whole point of the game

[junior zealot]

if the canonical main character party was the main four then yeah it would be easier to make that connection

[primal charm]

Yes

Four heroes

[icy tapir]

4 kirby's could be the heroes of yore

Three Mage SIsters and Hyness can be the heroes of yore

[junior zealot]

but otherwise we can say that kirby and group of three chillies are new heroes of yore

[primal charm]

There aren't 4 kirby's

[icy tapir]

The Squeak Squad gang could be the heroes of yore

4 is not definitive

[chrome vigil]

I still believe in Dark Matter memory copying and Void using the heroes 4 weapons. I think that’s the best evidence we have

[primal charm]

Yes they are another parallel

[icy tapir]

dude we can say every character is a parallel/metaphor to "stars" and we'd get nowhere

its just not. enough information

[primal charm]

Like you're not trying to tell me it's a coincidence that there were 4 heroes in a game about 4 players are you

[chrome vigil]

I also think it has merit

[icy tapir]

Yeah the same game where any of the 4 characters could be 3 waddle doos

we have no fucking actual evidence

[chrome vigil]

[primal charm]

You understand, you're just pushing the whole "it's not stated so it's not true" which you don't even believe

[icy tapir]

Im stating that i'll believe it when we get more info but we dont have any

[chrome vigil]

And you’re the person who argues against the whole timeline thing

[icy tapir]

this is literally the most bare minimum info we have gotten out of the concepts from KSA

[chrome vigil]

HAL doesn’t care about story right?

HAL doesn’t have much behind what they do so nothing means anything right?

[icy tapir]

stop both putting words in my mouth and bringing up irrelevant points as a comeback

[chrome vigil]

Hey I am just saying

Kinda talking against yourself rn

[icy tapir]

I really aren't

[chrome vigil]

You kinda are

[icy tapir]

If HAL wants to make this happen they will put it in but we have notihng

its not impossible its "we have no idea if thats true"

[chrome vigil]

Isn’t the lore up to interpretation Clay?

Isn’t it?

[primal charm]

Like I said, 90% of the story and lore is only implied and not stated. So pulling out that argument is super disingenuous and I can guarantee it's not that hard to find instances where you've followed the opposite

[chrome vigil]

That’s why there is so little evidence

[icy tapir]

and then the lore adds up later and it is no longer up to interpretation like that's the thing

[chrome vigil]

It’s just up to your own interpretation

[chrome vigil]

I only think if there is straight evidence AGAINST it is when you say “no”

[icy tapir]

years of "we dont know if the ancients are humans" then getting hit with Hyness saying they know what the ancients are and then Forgotten Land comes along and implies a humanoid world and then we get information about the Spaceship New World

We are at the mercy of HAL's writing actually

[chrome vigil]

Yeah but it’s up to interpretation

According to you guys

So it doesn’t matter

[junior zealot]

i mean some things are deliberately left vague to be up to interpretation because thats how the series always was

some things will never get specific answers so people could come up with their own ideas for years to come

[chrome vigil]

Perfectly right Klu. See Clay?

[icy tapir]

Magolor being Halcandran was vague interpretation until we got information that he was Lying

[junior zealot]

but it doesnt mean that all of the stuff is up to interpretation

[icy tapir]

And that's gonna be how it is

[chrome vigil]

Then what is and what isn’t

Tell me how we are supposed to know

[junior zealot]

i mean its pretty obvious

when something is blatantly stated

like magolor saying he lied that he was a halcandran

its not up to interpretation

at least its not intended to be

[chrome vigil]

Well then

[junior zealot]

you can still claim death of the author if you want

but thats not the intent

[chrome vigil]

Seems like this was useless then

And exactly that is what I dislike

And even some other people here do too apparently considering even when they say it themselves go against it

Don’t mean you Klu

[smoky river]

One of the funniest jokes in the scw leaks thread was ||neichel’s corpse being in the lor like springtrap||

[icy tapir]

honestly that reminds me of like

||How the sfx is built in Last Song (Incomplete) at teh start is she's walking then sitting down and when it ends she walks away||

[chrome vigil]

It does?

I never really thought of that…

[icy tapir]

who can say, its up to interpretation

[chrome vigil]

Don’t say it like a fact then but sure

I never listened to it that way

[smoky river]

||Also love how the song has like an unintentional freedom motif||

[chrome vigil]

What do you MEAN XDDD

[smoky river]

||Neichel is the chapter 5 secret boss||

||the beeps at the start||

[icy tapir]

this fucks me up because i dont recognize any part of the song that sounds like it in the main track

[chrome vigil]

God I missed a lot with that huh?

Soooo what do you guys think is up with Meteonelfilis exploding like Zero

[icy tapir]

||Dark Matter couldve eaten Starries on their way to Pop Star||

[chrome vigil]

He explodes like Zero specifically though and not like Dark Matter

[lapis reef]

It looks cool

[icy tapir]

he ate those too

[chrome vigil]

Any other color would have been cool too

[chrome vigil]

He ate ‘em XDD

[lapis reef]

Honestly I just see it as a reference rather than meaning anything, but I'm the wrong person to talk to about lore speculation

[chrome vigil]

[primal charm]

I still don't understand wth "Genwel" comes from

[chrome vigil]

I think it’s a Japanese thing

[icy tapir]

iirc its Generu in jp

[chrome vigil]

Means something like corrupted Crystal

[icy tapir]

Genel would be how it read

Genwel we speculate comes from Genel + Jewel

[primal charm]

Genel is already so much better

[icy tapir]

i personally think his name is a combination of gene/genesis/general/jewel

[chrome vigil]

Be happy you got a good one this time unlike with the Super Abilities XDDD

Like “Monster Flame”… eh

“Drago Storm”? Oh now we’re talking

[icy tapir]

Dragon Flame

[red mango]

inb4 gen comes from [for]g[ott]en again

[chrome vigil]

That’s the German one

[icy tapir]

Dragon Fire

[chrome vigil]

Forgotten land got that one covered XDDD

[gaunt mural]

(100% spoilers) ||Is the sparkling star mentioned in Last Song one of the green key stars from FL or a Warp Star? I also wonder if it's a hint to the possibility that the smooth star Kirby rides in Blowout Blast's credits could be the Sparkling Star from said game.||

[lapis swift]

alr guys is ultimate cup z ex hard?

[gaunt mural]

||Wait, actually, Warp Stars just look like that in Blowout Blast.||

[gaunt mural]

Yes.

[sinful ridge]

Very hard

Definitely on soul melter ex level

[lapis swift]

oh jeez.

[sinful ridge]

Atleast for me

[lapis swift]

I had no trouble blowing through ultimate cup z. but I think I can do it!! I was able to beat marx from superstar ultra. IMA DOO ITT IMAA GONNA WINNN!!!

[sinful ridge]

THATS THE SPIRIT

[nimble pewter]

i mean i dont see the paramatter connection at all. The only things that look like them are ||the paramatters in the LoC Chaos-Elfilis phase 2 fight||

[nimble pewter]

||doesnt genwel predate the 4 heroes||

[wild stirrup]

||By a loooong time||

[nimble pewter]

||Void's weapons are from the jambastion mages and hyness. Sword = Flamberge, Axe = Francisca, Spear = Zan, Bow = Hyness (that one move where hyness summoned the glyph that fired arrows)||

[nimble pewter]

hyness

[nimble pewter]

imo it was ONE of the four, not two. It's called the Mask of dark bonds, not the Masks of dark bonds. Perhaps it was a splitting mask that allowed the hero and another to fight as one entity?

[nimble pewter]

hyness's arrow glyph attack

[nimble pewter]

tbf the crown probably WAS used by one of the heroes (you know before the crown went postal)

[wild stirrup]

I don't think so unless one of the heroes was the sovereign of Halcandra at that time.

[nimble pewter]

i mean i somehow doubt every ruler of halcandra was a corrupt jerk

it obviously became corrupt and terrible eventually but perhaps it makes sense

also it doesn't contradict magolor saying the halcandrans made the crown

while "void made it" does

[chrome vigil]

…those are spears

Not arrows

[chrome vigil]

That’s a stretch at best mate

[nimble pewter]

the arrow's in void's arrow attack are the same model as the spears

[nimble pewter]

perhaps

[chrome vigil]

Where did the bow come from
Then?

[nimble pewter]

still, moon warriors theme plays during galacta phase 1 in rtdldx if you are playing as mk or dedede

this implies a connection

[chrome vigil]

Does it?

Because Morpho has all those boss themes

Depending on what dream friend is there

So uuuh

[nimble pewter]

i mean it's the only one that changes based on that afaik

it's not like tons of them change, just that ONE

[chrome vigil]

I don’t really think that implies a connection with the masks specifically but sure

Also yes the Galactal’s do look like Para Matters

Straight up

They even have the X on their face if I remember right

[nimble pewter]

no, galactals had a cross on their face

[chrome vigil]

Ah I see

But the colors work out alright

And the one eye

I don’t recall Galacta having one eye and what is on their armor is not even Galacta’s mask at all

[nimble pewter]

ehh...

[chrome vigil]

Like come on

[nimble pewter]

no paramatter was actually that color, despite what the artwork may show, what we're seeing is the "inside/flesh

[chrome vigil]

This isn’t even the same shape

[nimble pewter]

i also don't recall paramatters having horns, or hands, or a gk like mask

[chrome vigil]

Yeah? And that is different from the Galactals how?

[nimble pewter]

neither are paramatters
they look CLOSER to galacta knight (and have a similar name!)

[chrome vigil]

It’s the inside below their shell

[nimble pewter]

that's their skin, not their flesh

[chrome vigil]

I am not talking about the shape

[nimble pewter]

than they do paramatters

[chrome vigil]

Okay come on man

[nimble pewter]

the skin of the para matters are either orange-red, yellow, or blue

[chrome vigil]

Yes but this is the inside

[nimble pewter]

also the reddish "flesh" is only on the red ones

afaik

[chrome vigil]

And Galactals also look like it from the inside

I don’t see the issue here

They don’t even look similar to Galacta

Like not at all

And the star shape is connected to the Starries

Not Galacta

[nimble pewter]

the star mask thing looks uh

[chrome vigil]

It is the Starries

[nimble pewter]

way more galacta like
as do the horns

[nimble pewter]

yes but also it looks like galacta knight...

[chrome vigil]

“Horns” some people still debate with me if those are even horns

So I guess that is not evidence

[nimble pewter]

well at least in the armored forms they are

[chrome vigil]

But way less so

[nimble pewter]

"some people disagree with the horns being horns therefore the horns are not horns"

[chrome vigil]

That’s not what I mean. I agree it’s just that I also think the horns also don’t like similar

So yes

The horns ain’t evidence

[nimble pewter]

really though?
IDK they look closer to galacta knight than paramatters

[chrome vigil]

The armor thing isn’t connected to either

It’s Starries

The INSIDE

That is Para Matter

[nimble pewter]

and it can't also look like galacta knight?

[nimble pewter]

it doesn't look that similar

[chrome vigil]

It literally doesn’t

Galacta’s is an asymmetrical Sparkle shape

The Starries are symmetrical

[nimble pewter]

it does to a degree and you're denying it because?

[nimble pewter]

its' still vertically symetrical

[chrome vigil]

I am denying it because we know for a fact that the only connection they have to Galacta is that Galacta was sealed by Starries

[nimble pewter]

and if you look closer at galactals, it actually points upwards a bit on the sides

[chrome vigil]

That’s IT

[chrome vigil]

That is hardly noticeable

[nimble pewter]

but look at the design of the armored form

[chrome vigil]

ITS THE STARRY SYMBOL

stop coping

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1417255514445971637/1417255514869469445/image.png?ex=68cbcbce&is=68ca7a4e&hm=9ea17198c2c1d1f65d5a52a905d3145eba6fb50ddecfb922ba408238b67c86fe&

[nimble pewter]

you're the one malding over the idea that it could look even remotely like galacta knight

[chrome vigil]

Tell me this is not the same symbol

It even has the same color!

[nimble pewter]

but it ALSO looks like galacta knight's mask...

[chrome vigil]

Oh wow look here’s the adult guy who isn’t getting mad at all

[nimble pewter]

"but its slightly different shaped"

[chrome vigil]

But why would it?

Fr tell me the connection here

[nimble pewter]

i am a bit pissed too but "STOP COPING" in all caps is a lot worse

[chrome vigil]

Wasn’t even in all caps

Bruh

[nimble pewter]

that's something we should be speculating on instead of trying to shut down

[chrome vigil]

…huh?

My man

We know

The Starries Sealed Galacta

[nimble pewter]

no

[chrome vigil]

Done

[nimble pewter]

you don't WANT to speculate

[nimble pewter]

ehhh idk

[chrome vigil]

What is your theory then huh?

[nimble pewter]

genwel wouldn't fucking know about that

[chrome vigil]

Go on

[chrome vigil]

…

Okay okay…

So you want to tell me

That we are going off of the idea

[nimble pewter]

maybe i brought it up because i wanted an honest discussion

[chrome vigil]

That the armor is made by Meteonelfilis

[nimble pewter]

i wanted to stir theories

and maybe eventually come up with one myself as well

[chrome vigil]

The answer to why it looks like that then…

[nimble pewter]

but "NO IT CANT BE THAT"

[chrome vigil]

Would be that he saw the Starries

…the ones that sealed him…

[nimble pewter]

but did he see the starries in their actual form

[nimble pewter]

but why would gk's armor look like that?

[chrome vigil]

…YES?

How would they seal him otherwise?

[chrome vigil]

Maybe it could be based on the Starries sure

I’ll go with that

[nimble pewter]

moving crystallline rock

[chrome vigil]

Better than speculation that for some reason this random ass armor on a guy clearly related to the Starries is somehow Galacta

[nimble pewter]

to say the Galactals look NOTHING like Galacta Knight is just "shut it down shut it down"

it doesnt even have to imply that the galactals are gk or that they're related, because as you've pointed out and the game itself makes clear they aren't DIRECTLY connected

[chrome vigil]

Oh so Galacta own the term “Galactic” now?

[nimble pewter]

no but like cmon man

[chrome vigil]

YES

EXACTLY

That is ALL I wanted to say

Legit I’ll be on board with “Oh maybe the mask is based on the Starries”

Sure cool theory

But this small thing that is definitely just the starry symbol and connecting it to Galacta just like…
That’s like looking at the Lor and saying “oh yeah that mast? Probably Galacta symbol!”

[nimble pewter]

it's not the galacta symbol it's the fucking dark star from bowser's inside story /j

[chrome vigil]

Exactly though!

It feels like grabbing the smallest straw ever

[nimble pewter]

i think that is reasonable tbh

[chrome vigil]

Yes it actually is

Galacta’s mask being based on the Starries who are planetary heroes and definitely helped the ancients when the same thing is true for Galacta

Makes sense

[nimble pewter]

tbf we have no record of them helping them except for the uh

one time...

which was against galacta knight

[chrome vigil]

And also ||The fact that Galactals are just like Para Matters makes even more sense if you consider the Para Matter attack in UCZEX||

[chrome vigil]

Yes but they also have them on the mast of the Lor

Which means they were at least aware of them

Very much so as to dedicate a ship named “paradise” to it

[ruby geode]

hey all remember that we are discussing theories here so please be respectful if someone else has a different theory than you

[nimble pewter]

ehh i still dont see it

the thing they look closest to is genwel's core

which is probably the point

[chrome vigil]

…you know what fair

Actually fair

I am actually on board with that

Honestly

[pastel ravine]

I wish Astrodee did a bit more in the story

Does he even acknowledge that the starries left

[junior zealot]

He's too busy being an Entrepreneur Waddle Dee for allat

[pastel ravine]

Fake researcher smh

He should have at least been there at the ending

[timber plaza]

Just spent the entire car ride home from university with my mother singing ||Twinkling Star Showers and Unfinished Track|| and our voice died (she somehow memorized the lyrics as well for Twinkling Star Showers)

[sonic lily]

that's actually cute omg

[sinful ridge]

||https://youtu.be/QXBBUxb-CZs||

I am very concerned for this guy

[autumn turret]

It's not no dodge no guard no slide no hovering what's even the point

[timber plaza]

Smh no dodging

Me in despair when trying to do no ability, no dodge, no damage, no guard, no slide, no running, no flying RTDLDX

[lapis reef]

It's so easy to accidentally sprint

[ruby geode]

smh should do no damage no copy ability no moving

[timber plaza]

Force Bandee to do everything

[arctic stone]

||fking canon, theres a magolor utau, we just need a lor utat and we go full circle||

[autumn turret]

...I wonder if that's possible if you're allowing guarding and hovering

[ruby geode]

tropic woods:

[autumn turret]

That tree that I hate!

[ruby geode]

unless we allow dodge but then that would be more like no walking ig

[timber plaza]

TA Magolor Soul on his way destroying the run with no flying

[arctic stone]

Meme spin back
The heroes of yore is a mistranslation of a Neichel christmas album (?)

[icy tapir]

True

[gaunt mural]

Is it just me or does Twinkling Star Showers use different words for kirameku and for twinkle?

Which would be strange considering the word for kirameku is "tirakuru", which comes from combining kirameku and twinkle.

[icy tapir]

what is kirameku

[timber plaza]

Twinkle

[slim lodge]

i do not understand the question but here are the lines ?

[gaunt mural]

I mean in the new world language audio.

[slim lodge]

ohhhh

[broken sapphire]

i unironically tried this a couple days ago (minus no slide) (and also obviously while taking damage) and got absolutely destroyed and just gave up lmao

but yeah retroarchive is cracked

[slim lodge]

i went to listen and i think it is using different words but i dont think thats so strange considering that the new world language kinda imitates japanese and kirameku and twinkle are definitely pronounced differently

do you think the new world had its own loan words from other ancient languages (jambandra language)

[gaunt mural]

But that doesn't happen with freedom (rirami iirc).

Or "you" ("niru").

[timber plaza]

I might be not okay, I thought loan said Lor

Kirby fans when they see a letter L and o (It’s Lor!!)

[gaunt mural]

||A lot of words are references to it and considering a description of Halcandra given by Magolor and SCW's new lore, I think they're connected.||

[slim lodge]

well when were languages ever consistent! idk like maybe they wanted the song to flow better

[cloud olive]

chappell lor

[slim lodge]

i want real new world lyrics to drop so i can microanalyze them

[gaunt mural]

Same.

[icy tapir]

i would go CRAZY if we get a Chappel Roan-esque character

[slim lodge]

ur a pink puffy girl and u dance at the club

[ruby geode]

this convo inspired me to start this at wikirby (will also do twinkling star showers)

it's funny though

new world language is essentially just corrupted japanese + some funny other words kuma puts in like アドゥレシア

[civic sun]

I've seen lists before (and have thing of my own) but yours seems bit more in-depth, nice

[ruby geode]

yeah I know I'm not the first but I wanted to try to go in depth indeed

[pastel ravine]

Gigi, you’re so awesome for this

[civic sun]

FL when ニル and ジャハ jumpscare

[timber plaza]

Good time when people went “ADELEINE AND DRAWCIA ARE RELATED” for this

Adeleine fans and Marx fans coping with lack of references or actual connection while Magolor receiving every connection since RTDL and DCSE

[ruby geode]

can't wait for kuma to drop more funny words in the next interview

[timber plaza]

Two days…

Inb4 we get nothing huge

(I’m not expecting much lol)

[ruby geode]

ニル probably meaning you is so funny and so big brain at the same time I love it

[civic sun]

I assume Foruga will be mentioned if they talk about it at least

[ruby geode]

interviewer: hey kuma, what the hell is a ファ ルゥ ワァーアー

[civic sun]

'Void is Kirby'
'Void is Dark Matter'
'no, Void is YOU'

[timber plaza]

I wish I had time to get in depth but I’ve been getting busier each day it’s joeover, I hate university

[ruby geode]

mood but with work

I do want to at least make a quick summary of the interview whenever it drops

[timber plaza]

I think I had like 4 hour sleep and 2 hour free time while I was doubling up with internship + work + university

[ruby geode]

full translation I will also try asap but can try to extract the main juice first 🔥

[timber plaza]

(The 2 hours went to sleep or 6 hours went to playing game and went to do stuff with no sleep)

[ruby geode]

🫵

[broken sapphire]

😨

[timber plaza]

Oh yeah and SCW manga soon…

I’m excited

[gaunt mural]

Isn't it the word for faraway/haruka?

[timber plaza]

(It’s gonna get taken over by air riders)

[gaunt mural]

Which article is this?

[ruby geode]

it is not an article, it's just this https://wikirby.com/wiki/User:Gigi/New_world_language

[ruby geode]

not confirmed, hence why I suggested that

[gaunt mural]

Ok, thanks.

[ruby geode]

the main language article deals with more confirmed info https://wikirby.com/wiki/Fictional_languages_in_the_Kirby_series

[mint swan]

Wouldn’t it be funny if they had a full on constructed language in Kirby

[timber plaza]

Finally an language without barriers

[mint swan]

The localizers seeing a another damn language in the game:

https://tenor.com/view/drop-monster-glass-what-the-gif-13519546

[timber plaza]

Simply the whole world should speak the language

[gaunt mural]

I wish they featured the series' fictional languages more often the same way other franchises' fictional languages show up everywhere in their media.

[timber plaza]

Why not learn new language? Everyone will be at square one except Kumazaki

[mint swan]

One time I had a Kirby game concept that had a conlang with a secret group of Waddle Dees that lived underground

[civic sun]

at least here there's actual unique words and stuff based on JP, most other series languages are just English ciphers

[ruby geode]

kumazaki should post his interviews in new world language

[civic sun]

post them in Jambastion language instead (no one understands what he's saying)

[ruby geode]

only the mages...

and hyness

[timber plaza]

Post them in Magolorenese

Wa wa

Oh my bad that’s Ando exclusive

[junior zealot]

it will probably make them easier to translate anyway

[arctic stone]

Anyone here into vocaloid/vocalsynth songs and their subgenres? Related to spoiler ||neichels unfinished last song||
||Already that song spunded realy jpop in general, but i got rec a cover using defoko and... Mix the fact the song is just named "unfinished last song", the parts where is mostly synth piano, the whole lor sounds and the morse code; it sounds really close to "lamprey hole" and those mystery songs that imitate it||
||I need this new member of the music team to do more songs||

[silver turret]

i was looking at this article and maybe "a" and "o" at the end of words mirrors particles from japanese that end in those vowels? (i.e. "a" and "o" are particles). like in this screencap maybe "soro" is "soko" and "a" is "wa"

and here based on similar word sounds and context clues, maybe "kimi" is just "niru", "rarii" is "dake" and "o" is "no"

just my thoughts lol

[ruby geode]

yeah thanks but it's a bit rough for now, I'm just trying to split up and find matches and then go back

[silver turret]

that's fair! i just wanted to share what i saw

[civic sun]

yeah ニル is kimi, they use it elsewhere too

フィルマニ イレリィノ　ニルロォナ リーラミィ moment

[silver turret]

i'm a linguistics student, albeit a basic one since my school's linguistics program isn't too deep

so like. i have many thoughts lol

[ruby geode]

yeah for the record I appreciate, just wanted to clarify it isn't super polished just yet LOL

this is sorta how my mind works

note everything at first, later review and polish

[silver turret]

that's fair!! i hope i helped at all

[kind parcel]

Star crossed worlds is Accutly pretty good

It’s more Kirby to gouge down

It isn’t much but it’s mindless fun

[low moss]

i just 100% everything.

[fast crest]

Masochist.

That's all I can see with a challenge like that.

[pastel ravine]

Sure, why not