[SPOILERS] Star-Crossed World

[stuck ether]

The game, in both versions, outright ignores the invalid timescores

[hallow gust]

gotcha

thought I was crazy for a sec, but that makes sense

[timber plaza]

Wondering a lot what kind of stuff they’ll add to the SCW Alarmo

(Well, FL + SCW but)

Like def Welcome to the new world and twinkling Star showers will be added

Honestly I’m just hoping for Air Riders, KSA, and RTDLDX to get one in future

But with this rating, I can also imagine SCW being the only Kirby game to get Alarmo lol

[kind parcel]

I love how altered the levels are

[broken sapphire]

yup, failboat perfectly predicted the final boss of star-crossed world
never doubted him

[small cloak]

Truly Heartwarming ❤️

[kind parcel]

The only complaint is that the levels feel too short

[arctic stone]

|| im so obsessed with the vocal covers made to that song, legit jpop, either vocaloid, yoasobi or FAKE TYPE, if it wasnt so spoilerific tho...||

[icy tapir]

just wait a bunch of days

[slim lodge]

||fr its giving a lot of vocalo song vibes too like im listening to contemonia by siinamota like||

[arctic stone]

||cant believe NEICHEL has her own "racing into the night" now||

[rapid pumice]

||I wonder what meteonelfilis thinks about elfilin lol. "sibling, what happened to you?" "oh, i go by elfilin now, and he/him, and have the capacity for kindness now!"||

[arctic stone]

||holy fudge siinamota mention, but yea, still, a kirby song that fit perfectly in the whole "jpop song that is a banger but lowkey depressing lyrics" even though the depresive vibes arent as obvious and dark as the general trope||

[rapid pumice]

||meteonelfilis: NOOOOOOO!!! the outer space has fallen...||

[arctic stone]

||i want to draw so many shitposts now, i need them fighting for their turn in the xbox||

[slim lodge]

||like would meteonelfilis even recognize elfilin as a part of his younger sibling or not.... hmmmhmmm interesting||

[rapid pumice]

||meteonelfilis: of course you have blue hair and pronouns||

[slim lodge]

||woke younger sibling||

[kind parcel]

Why is star crossed levels so short

[rapid pumice]

||meme where it has pictures of elfilis and elfilin with the caption "here's what x years of hrt looks like"||

[arctic stone]

||elfilis: im a trans man big bro||
||genwell: cool||
||elfilin: t is amazing||
||genwell: why the f you look like that||

[rapid pumice]

LMAOOO

[twin junco]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-wrong-with-you-why-are-you-blue-what-is-wrong-with-you-why-are-you-blue-brba-breaking-bad-gif-26777019

[rapid pumice]

"why are you small"

[obtuse verge]

Friend is asking me something, posting on their behalf
||> Idk if anyone here has played Star Crossed World but I just have a question regarding a figure that isn’t unlocked for me yet. One figure in EX Volume 1 is locked until I repair enough of Waddle Dee Town but I already have every Waddle Dee. Is there something I’m missing or did the game just straight up lock me out of completion?||

[ruby geode]

||your friend doesn't need to worry about the message it just indicates certain figures can't be obtained until you reach certain point in the story but the game is not super clear about it||

[timber plaza]

I fell for it the first time

[autumn turret]

||This happens in the base game too||

[lapis reef]

Adding on ||those messages mean that they'll be added to their gacha machine once you have achieved that thing. You still have to gamble at the machine to get them||

[autumn turret]

||'this figure can be obtained once you've unlocked every movie in waddle dee cinema'
'wdym I haven't unlocked every movie???'
'you have just go get the figure'||

[ruby geode]

yeah ^

||it's not that you will receive it automatically once you reach that it is just that it will be added to the random poll once you reach that||

[obtuse verge]

||Something about the Nap Time figure needing to be unlocked||

[grave swallow]

What, 4 tier 1s?!

[lapis reef]

||have they actually bought stuff from Astronomer Waddle Dee? You still have to get it from random gambling; it's not automatic||

[grave swallow]

This was was so easy too I literally only used 4 tomatoes, I have no idea why this took multiple tries

Ranger is definitely the #2 tier 1, it was even faster than bomb bc it can abuse dodge windows from such a distance. Also the knights are just free, literally bringing a gun to a sword fight

[icy tapir]

the games realyl clear about it too like

[icy tapir]

the wording is ||This will get added to the Gotcha machine after etc etc||

not that its unlocked by doing the Thing

[red mango]

even then it's not very specific in WHEN it gets unlocked

like you basically have no clue when this is supposed to unlock

[lapis reef]

It's enough to say "hey, continue the story" though

[timber plaza]

||save more dee's or no gambling||

[obtuse verge]

||My friend said they already 100% basegame and postgame||

||so I dunno why Nap Time was still locked||

[lapis reef]

When they go talk to Astronomer Waddle Dee and choose to buy figures from volume 1, what does it say?

[icy tapir]

it isnt

||You just need to Gacha machine for it||

[obtuse verge]

||He asks how's the adventure and if he wants to gamble||

[icy tapir]

its not ||locked|| its basically the ||instructions on how to unlock it and it just stays unchanged||

||the description doesnt change when you unlock it|| just keep gambling

[lapis reef]

That message is there on figures regardless of if they are locked or not. It's just saying that it'll be added to gotcha machine (as the localization decided to call it) once certain criteria is met. The message does not go away once you meet that criteria.

Also I'm not really sure why we're spoilering discussion on how the gacha machines work, given it's the same as in the base game, except you talk to a Waddle Dee instead of turning a little handle

[icy tapir]

True

if theyre unlocked the game just doesnt tell you whether or not its unlocked it just tells you thats how its unlocked

[true path]

||What happens if you don't kill Genwel Meteonelfilis when he's struggling on this ground in his final phase?||

[lapis reef]

Basically, tell your friend to go gamble until you get them all

[icy tapir]

its basically looking an instruction manual that has never changes thinking you havent done the thing yet

[icy tapir]

||Soul Crash||

||(Giant explosion that deals damage but you can go to the edges to avoid it)||

[brazen nova]

||he regenerates his shield but its already damaged||

[true path]

Oh ok.

[flat wadi]

||UGHHH WHY ARE THESE LINES SO GOOD||

[uneven drum]

||The final boss of the arena was so disappointing in who it was.||

[brazen nova]

||What were you expecting ||

[autumn turret]

I like how you basically just kept talking as if 0 people had responded to you

[autumn turret]

Also why did they like
Translate this line as a theoretical, general statement

[uneven drum]

||An encounter that made sense?||

||At the end of the regular true arena, fecto fuses back with Elfilin. There shouldn’t be anyone left to pick up the spear.||

[brazen nova]

Well

||Lets just say they retconned the og UCZ||

[uneven drum]

It’s foreshadowing the Wham Bam Meteor boss in Remembered Lands

[uneven drum]

||Yeah, that’s why I was a bit disappointed. The boss is amazing gameplay-wise but I wish they gave a reason||

[brazen nova]

||Well its said in the figurine of the spears that Elfilis snatched Genwel’s spear to become the Lord of Chaos||

[lapis reef]

From a gameplay pov ||Having "Chaos Elfilis again but different and with more crystal theming "|| is entirely what I expected

For the story pov ||yeah I dunno, I think they were just going for something cool rather than something that made sense. Call it a parallel, or maybe HC that their soul split into two pieces and Elfilin got to collect both parts||

[red mango]

||trend-wise yeah it makes sense they would repeat the final boss
theming-wise i do kinda wish they leaned way more into the crystal visuals on the boss itself than just giving him the spear||

||a more drastic name change would have helped but i suppose that's one of those things that doesn't really matter||

[autumn turret]

||Right from way before the game came out I was baffled at how many people legitimately said 'they can't make a harder chaos elfilis b/c of the story!!! Like and from people that
Aren't new to Nintendo, much less Kirby
There is no world where the devs for a Kirby game are gonna say 'oh we would've made something cool but we didn't for story reasons'||

||The story will get smashed with a hammer if it gets in the way of gameplay for a comparatively story-focused Nintendo series like Zelda, much less Kirby||

[red mango]

||tbh i was kinda like "if the final boss is going to be a harder elfilis" then they probably wouldn't do that out of uniqueness reasons||

||but i suppose they made them more unique in the end||

[glass pulsar]

||It's not like Elfilis being in the Ultimate Cup made all that much sense either.||

[lapis reef]

||"Because it'll be a cool fight" is already the reason behind like every true arena boss anyway. Like, yeah, it's contextualized within the town in this game, but it's still an arena. They do whatever they think makes a cool boss rush||

[brazen nova]

||I’m just going to put my cent on it that only Meta Knight Cup and UCZEX are canon||

[autumn turret]

||I think one of the funniest things about SCW is me realizing how many people had 0 idea how to avoid elfilis's dimension laser without the emergency dodge||

||Which like valid ig b/c I definitely considered it like one of the hardest attacks of elfilis's to avoid if you don't realize you can just hover it||

||Its the same with the fermi paradox answer where I see a lot of players just cannot figure out how to avoid the attack though I find that one less understandable||

[silver solar]

So apparently ||holding Y while selecting the credits in the theater will play Last Song instead of Twinkling Star Showers?||

[agile sigil]

||I like the subtle differences between Elfilis' and MeteonElfilis' intros. Elfilis unravels itself calmly and gracefully once it finally regains its full form. And summons it's spear so seemlessly and then proceeds to glare menacingly getting ready to attack. Meanwhile MeteonElfilis is more agressive, screeching upon his reveal from his formation and almost trembling at summoning it's spear. And being in a much more hunched over, ready to fight pose. It really sets the two of them apart in again subtle but still distinctive ways||

[ruby geode]

||HAL: we don't care about story over gameplay||
||some fans: idk I won't believe that personally||
||HAL: makes even more decisions that prioritize gameplay over story||
||those same fans: omg what is HAL doing this makes no sense?????||

||seriously miss the pre-PR days man. I am so tired of all this talk of "but is x and y canon" bro just make your own canon we used to go "ah yes TD happened but dededetour happened but like 20% of it just the end and soul of sectonia happened after story mode sectonia" it was so much fun than going "guys this makes no sense???" make it make sense yourself it's not like the devs actually care about it making sense they care if it will be cool||

[red mango]

||oh yeah TUCZEX changing all the boss music reminds me how much it disappointed me they didn't do that for RtDLD except for only like Galacta Knight and Magolor Soul for some reason||

||kinda wanted them to use the SKC boss remixes even though I personally don't like them just for the sake of having new song names revealed and to take advantage of Vanpool working on the game again||

[broken sapphire]

"if you don't try to make sense, you will never make dollars"

- no one in the history of speaking

[autumn turret]

||Theory: the two parallels of Forgotten Land happen b/c of the framerate
The speed of which the Evil Meteor reaches the Forgotten Land depended on the framerate and so came half as fast in one parallel
The framerate is also known as Dream Matter||

[keen garnet]

||Kirby ated all the dream matter therefore the game runs at 30fps in Star Allies||

[icy tapir]

?

i need to see this

[silver solar]

||the same comment noted that it's a low chance but can't verify||

[icy tapir]

thats not how that should work

[timber plaza]

oh I found out about it few days ago

its on the wikirby as well

wait

I read that worng lol thought they were talking about other theater

OH

IT DOES

Heart attack

HAHAHA

okay

dies

[true aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/star-dream-stardream-kirby-star-dream-soul-os-gif-8278804178479391362

[timber plaza]

No joke

[twin junco]

haltmann moan of agony

[timber plaza]

I almost vomited

[twin junco]

lowk you be almost vomiting a lot...

[timber plaza]

I sure do

[pastel ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/the-darkest-timeline-community-gif-18212973

[keen garnet]

||wait it does play?||

[autumn turret]

https://tenor.com/view/jet-kirby-kirby-super-star-marx-gif-651389625034148953

[timber plaza]

Getting video rn

[icy tapir]

oh my GOD

WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS REAL

[timber plaza]

appearently its already been discovered some time ago

wow okay thanks, scw lol

[autumn turret]

|| https://musescore.com/user/10620761/scores/27397630 speaking of peak||

[normal holly]

||I thought both UCZ and UCZEX could work as canon since ending of both is pretty much same (with some differences) anyway... ||

[timber plaza]

nvm!

false alarm, its new info

adding on wikirby rn

[normal holly]

it was indeed real thing?

also yuki

[keen garnet]

[lapis reef]

OHH
||they meant THAT credits. I was testing all wrong||

[timber plaza]

||the song loops as well||

[icy tapir]

this is some legitimate deltarune bullshit

like

idk how else to describe it

this is genuinely some toby fox bullshit

[lapis reef]

||I still maintain that this song has no right to be as absurdly catchy as it is||

[icy tapir]

wtf. sue them

[lapis reef]

||Theories? Lore? Sure sure, but man all I care about is that this song is a gd bop||

[timber plaza]

so I tested further

you can play the song even if you havent beat the game LOL

[lapis reef]

lmao

[timber plaza]

I have a file that only watched the opening of scw

[terse swan]

at least someone accidentally stumbling upon it will not be spoiled of its contents

[twin junco]

WRONG its new super mario bros ds bs when you selecting luigi

[terse swan]

[true aurora]

||Kooky Kumazaki strikes again!!!!!!!!!!||

||Okay jokes aside that’s crazy lmao||

[civic sun]

||felt sus that the simple credits theme was seemingly just Bless the Plains with Song, this makes more sense I guess?? but wild lmao||

[lapis reef]

||It's not that that crazy, because it's just a tune. And weirdly gives me "can do extra mode in dl1 the first time you load the game, if you know the key combo" vibes||

[true aurora]

||Okay yeah crazy is an overstatement but it’s still just like||
||Super interesting to me lol||

||Like it’s just really cool lol||

[agile sigil]

||It also has like a completely different vibe at least for me when I listen to it while reading the lyrics vs just hearing the song on its own||

[timber plaza]

||wait Im dumb they just looped first verse||

im not tripping right llol

||its just first verse on loop||

okay there

fixed the wikirby stuff lol

[autumn turret]

||I think I've seen this before but Giant Impact's building slams are breakdamaged as well (or maybe Combo?) which makes sense||

||Also wow getting hit by the sword slam, or at least the slow strong one that creates a shockwave, actually seems to do a lot of damage||

[icy tapir]

what is ||breakdamage||

[orchid harbor]

||so I was doing a UCZEX run where the ability recommended i had to take unless i had gotten an ability from the 2 mini boss matches, this was the most painful round of a boss fight i ever had to deal with.||

||This was a run I failed on. Yes I actually beat Morpho with homing bomb and only homing bomb, no stray star shots||

[chrome vigil]

Fr don’t upgrade bomb to homing bomb

Just use chainbomb

That’s one of the few examples of an upgrade being worse than a weaker stage

[orchid harbor]

scratch that, ||the most painfull combos I had was both on phantom forgo Dedede. I was forced to use Homing bomb on one attempt and drill the very next attempt (lucky for me I now can clobba that phantom more easily with drill now). But who at HAL laboratory allowed Bomb to be a recommended ability for phantom forgo Dedede?!||

[chrome vigil]

||The Abilities are not recommendations||

||As far as I know they are random||

[orchid harbor]

this is what I am referring to

[timber plaza]

My irl friend giving up on 100%ing FL/SCW 😭 😭 😭 idk what to do to convince em

[orchid harbor]

valid

[chrome vigil]

It isn’t because that’s like 10% of the game but yeah

[orchid harbor]

I'm doing this challenge for a MEME VIDEO

[chrome vigil]

The comments would be pretty funny if you just didn’t upgrade bomb wouldn’t it?

Legit the only two abilities that get WORSE because of evolution are bomb and hammer

And hammer is funny and all… but bomb is stupid

[orchid harbor]

I wish i won the run where I perfect dodged the same exact attack twice, being wild edge run attack ( it was mainly because blizzard Ice but hey, double perfect dodge is double perfect dodge)

[chrome vigil]

Perfect dodge?

[orchid harbor]

slo mo roll

[chrome vigil]

Isn’t that easy or what do you mean by the double? You mean like dodged the same attack twice?

[orchid harbor]

yes

[chrome vigil]

Yeah that is pretty nice

[orchid harbor]

the exact same attack, though wild edge was near complete freeze anyway

[chrome vigil]

I think it’s funny how HAL somehow made a game hard and super easy at the same time

Like if you use dodge it becomes a cakewalk

Especially if you use Ranger

But if you don’t use dodge… well you might just be in trouble

[orchid harbor]

but yes, the random ability challenge I'm giving myself is a pain if I'm given the wrong ability at the wrong fight ||Looking at you bomb on Phantom Forgo Dedede and Morpho knight||

[chrome vigil]

I swear to god I think Abilities should be buffed

Like in general

Or no Ability should be nerfed

Because No Ability Kirby is somehow better than some Abilities

Like would you ever take twin drill over normal Kirby?

[twin junco]

i thought people liked twin drill 🥹

[chrome vigil]

I sure as heck don’t

Drill in general is one of those Abilities I think stinks

It is just a worse animal that they had to implement because the game was centered around animals

[orchid harbor]

I can manage drill, but not bomb, especially on projectile heavy bosses. but yeah, How is Base Kirby better than tornado (Storm Tornado is my 2nd favorite ability in this game) and bomb?! at least buzzsaw cutter is better than base form, I will never denouce the GOAT, BUZZ SAW CUTTER, THE SCREEN CLEAVER!

[autumn turret]

I mean unboosted Wild Hammer is definitely still better than Toy Hammer

[chrome vigil]

Can I just say that Cutter actually became fun in forgotten land?

[autumn turret]

It feels like shit but it just does way more damage

[chrome vigil]

In every other game cutter is JUST SO MID

[autumn turret]

But yea Homing Bomb is like
Ugh

[chrome vigil]

Then why do all the speed runners use toy?

Doesn’t it legit do more DPS

[autumn turret]

Because they do the same amount of damage at +⭐

[red mango]

because upgrades remove the damage gap

[chrome vigil]

Oh wow

So toy is just better

[orchid harbor]

bomb sacrificed its goatness in evolutions so cutter can be absolutely busted.

[chrome vigil]

I just love Buzzsaw Cutter

Cutter was really held back by 2D

It’s in every mainline game yet only now it actually became good

[autumn turret]

Twin Drill is another ability where it like
Feels like shit but does a ton of damage

[chrome vigil]

Actually? I never felt like it does

[lapis reef]

Twin drill is helped by speed boost too

[autumn turret]

Yea speed boost applies to twin drill underground so you can draw bigger circles faster

[chrome vigil]

That is an interaction I did not think about at all

[orchid harbor]

bomb's evolutions basically becomes near as useful as both crash abilities in the arenas

[red mango]

twin drill basically just feels like
this is what drill's speed would be if we didn't have stronger evolutions

[autumn turret]

Life Up buffing sword and Speed Boost buffing Drill:

[red mango]

like they just make drill pathetic for the sake of making its evolutions have normal strength

[autumn turret]

I did get that sense for Tornado and Needle but never really thought about it for Twin Drill's faster digging speed

[chrome vigil]

I still think they should have made Twin Drill a different evolution

[orchid harbor]

except with bosses like gorimondo, who love jumping to the other side of the map

[chrome vigil]

Make it a reference to Animal and make twin drill the second evolution

[autumn turret]

Its like on one hand yea but on the other hand all the Star Allies new abilities exist so I could imagine Drill being its base tier speed even in a game without evolutions

[red mango]

part of it is also the duration but the slow speed really makes the duration stick out

[chrome vigil]

I always said: Make it like Armadrillo from Ben10 to reference animal

https://tenor.com/view/ben-10-armodrillo-robots-killer-robots-gif-13247099139220949293

[autumn turret]

Oh yea having a cap on how long you can stay underground is annoying

[red mango]

its the main reason the speed matters

because of the duration

[autumn turret]

I mean if you didn't you could set up your circles as long as you want obviously but its frustratingly short when you're just trying to move

[chrome vigil]

But fr can we just agree that Animal was just a better choice and that they were limited by the concept of a drill?

They should have expanded the moveset every time it evolved

Pencil drill barely does anything

[orchid harbor]

When I saw buzzsaw cutter for the first time, I just knew I got my hands on something absolutely chaotic, I was pleased when I went to the training room. seeing the blades bounce off every wall made my inner cymbal monkey go bananas

[chrome vigil]

Super Meatboy level be like

[autumn turret]

Its a shame morpho and midbosses in the arena are the only real places you'll ever really get to use the rebound mechanic

[chrome vigil]

Hey it is pretty fun in normal gameplay

Like in story mode it comes in handy here and there

[lapis reef]

Tbh, I never liked Animal. It's cute, but not really fun to use

[chrome vigil]

Especially in a casual playthrough where they will redo old levels after getting evolutions

[chrome vigil]

So isn’t drill

[orchid harbor]

acts like a psuedo ranger skill

[chrome vigil]

Animal still better than Drill

I didn’t say animal was good XDDD

[lapis reef]

Yeah, but making it Animal wouldn't make it more fun. At best it would get a better hat

[chrome vigil]

And a different moveset

[autumn turret]

Why did base drill get the ugliest hat known to mankind anyway

[orchid harbor]

has anyone tried the random ability challenge in any of the cups?

[chrome vigil]

It can actually scratch and grab

[chrome vigil]

TRUE

I hate every single one of them

[lapis reef]

Yeah, gimme that short range claw, I definitely (didn't) miss that

[chrome vigil]

And no pencil drill is not cute

It’s bad

[lapis reef]

Pencil is funny. Useless but funny

[native mauve]

Pencil aura.

[chrome vigil]

I’m a pencil drill hater

It doesn’t do anything

[twin junco]

what does pencil drill even do differently

[chrome vigil]

It barely does more damage maybe

And that one projectile it shoots don’t hit anyway

[lapis reef]

When you leave the ground it throws a pencil

[native mauve]

aura

[orchid harbor]

I was very swiftly dissapointed in that evolution. Clutter needle has more style and benefits than that fruadulent upgrade

[chrome vigil]

Shoots a projectile and that’s it

[twin junco]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-leave-disgusted-bored-annoyed-gif-5983048

[autumn turret]

Sorry but the meme tier 1 evos are peak
Me when Pencil Drill and Toy Hammer

[orchid harbor]

the humble twindrill

[chrome vigil]

Toy hammer is OP though

It’s not even a meme

[junior zealot]

pencil drill is peak aesthetically

[twin junco]

aint NOBODY using frosty ice

[lapis reef]

I do for the hat 🙂

[chrome vigil]

NO

[lapis reef]

Is it best ice, no

[orchid harbor]

seriously, when I got the pencil drill evolution, after trying it out for 1 level, I warped back to the waddle dee town to devolve my drill back to base form until I got twindrill

[lapis reef]

Is it cutest ice, yes

[chrome vigil]

THAT makes the game a 0.5/10

You can kinda play as Mr. Frosty

[twin junco]

dare i even mention
the bird tornado

[chrome vigil]

I still don’t know what that one does btw

[orchid harbor]

do I smell... tornado slander?

[chrome vigil]

Except the cute twirl attack

[autumn turret]

Oh the most recent item-boosted Twin Drill UCZ record is from 4 months ago nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTx8uL9f4NU

[pulsar lagoon]

tbh I haven't used most abilities more than I need to in order to complete a level.
I have the upgrades unlocked I just... never use them

[twin junco]

no im talking about the bird one

[chrome vigil]

What does it do fr?

[orchid harbor]

ah the one with the longest duration out of all 3 of em

[pulsar lagoon]

next game they should give us Ball kirby back

[lapis reef]

Literally looking at my own save file rn and everything is highest tier except bomb (cuz homing sucks), needle (funny 64 reference makes me happy), and ice (frost hat my beloved)

I am not an efficient player

[junior zealot]

i use it because the hat is cute

[chrome vigil]

That… is so meh

[pulsar lagoon]

Hal has forgotten about Ball kirby

[twin junco]

okok NOBODY yes NO ONE HERE is using clutter needle

[chrome vigil]

for good reason

[chrome vigil]

THAT one is stylish though

It’s swisser army!

[pulsar lagoon]

there can be no good reason, for kirby must ball

[lapis reef]

Lol my phone did not focus at all

[chrome vigil]

That is so unoptimal XDDD

[orchid harbor]

Yes I tested all 3 tornado evolutions. Fleur tornado is the widest, longest lasting, yet weakest tornado evo. Storm tornado is the slimmest, slowest, yet strongest out of all 3

[pulsar lagoon]

you know I was kinda hoping they'd take the sleep moveset from that one kirby free for all game.
It'd be fun to see that adapted in some way mainline

[lapis reef]

Optimal, I am not. But it's fun

[pulsar lagoon]

but I am happy enough with how deep sleep works

[chrome vigil]

As far as I remember evolutions should be a strict upgrade

Not a fucking trade off

Like huh?

[chrome vigil]

(Somehow they made Sleep OP)

[lapis reef]

But we have tradeoffs in other abilities too

Hammer - toy hammer, fast but weak (before upgrades) vs Wild (slow but strong)

It's the post game upgrades that make toy hammer melt face

[pulsar lagoon]

then there's morpho sword

[timber plaza]

Legit the biggest reason
And I love building snowman

[orchid harbor]

sleep was one of the rare few whom got sctrictly better with every evo.

[autumn turret]

I think Toy Hammer still does more damage than base hammer when un-upgraded

[chrome vigil]

Crash?

[twin junco]

crash?

[pulsar lagoon]

bandicoot?

[chrome vigil]

It got straight up better

[orchid harbor]

yup, that too.

[twin junco]

woah

[chrome vigil]

Shut-

[chrome vigil]

Needle?

[timber plaza]

Like fleur tornado is very good in colosseum but it’s another instant of being adorable so I like using them

[chrome vigil]

Didn’t most get straight up better?

[lapis reef]

Yeah, at least in game it's 2 squares vs 2.5 squares, with wild at 4.5

[autumn turret]

Ok yea it does
But yea like yirgg said there are abilities that get slower upon upgrading as a tradeoff like wild hammer or gigant sword

[pulsar lagoon]

I liked playing with gigant sword but once you get morpho sword with enhancements there's no going back

[chrome vigil]

Like chacram cutter yes is faster but weaker…

[lapis reef]

I don't have the patience for the strong but slow evos. I legit skip them lol

[twin junco]

fire or

[chrome vigil]

But the number of cutters still makes it an upgrade

[orchid harbor]

most definitely.

• clutter needle gave us projectiles
• crystal needle added damagetrail and longer duration

[chrome vigil]

I think Tornado is an exception

With stuff like hammer

Only wild hammer counts for me there btw

[lapis reef]

Honestly, yes, most evos are a straight upgrade. But there's just a few that aren't

[pulsar lagoon]

I wonder if they'll combine parts of the different evos from this game the next time these abilities show up

[twin junco]

whats the speedrun strat with toy hammer again

[chrome vigil]

Can you tell I am salty that Tornado broke the tradition of being unbelievably broken in every game with forgotten land?

[lapis reef]

max it out and do hammer flip, basically

[timber plaza]

I didn’t even upgraded any abilities except dragon fire and meta knight sword the entire game until I needed it for treasure road, which I did it post forgo dreams after I got Morpho sword 😭

[orchid harbor]

slow mo dodge to 3rd level hammer flip

[twin junco]

gotcha

[autumn turret]

おにごろし

[twin junco]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-italian-italian-sandy-cheeks-patrick-patrick-star-gif-23641348

[chrome vigil]

So real

[timber plaza]

Like you legit only need dragon fire and meta sword for the entire story mode

Actually no I also upgraded toy hammer

3 evolution

[chrome vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dante-devil-may-cry-devil-may-cry5-hello-hello-based-department-gif-26042779

[timber plaza]

Carried entire story and forgo and ucz

[orchid harbor]

slo mo dodge puts your hammer flip at the 2nd level charge immediately

[lapis reef]

My first playthrough, I did evolutions because they're fun
Later ones, depends on my mood? Usually I at least go second level with them, but depends

[timber plaza]

Honestly during my speedrun, I just evolved meta sword and evolved fire for the tutorial and didn’t touched weapons dee until I finished forgo dreams for Morpho sword

[chrome vigil]

Bruh

[orchid harbor]

Buzzsaw cutter made sillydillo absolutely hilariously easy, especially when he is rolling and spinning around the field

[lapis reef]

Speedruns are another story. Every second spent evolving stuff is another second you're not progressing

[timber plaza]

I’m not spending time to get enough rare stones tbh

I had enough or MK sword, called it a day, and never returned until Morpho

[chrome vigil]

No rare stones?

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[timber plaza]

Plus it’s any% at that point so I didn’t try hard

[autumn turret]

Speedrunners when they have to get rare stones to get evolutions (evolutions going in the scrap bin)

[timber plaza]

Evolving just for 100% requirement

Never uses them in actual gameplay

Peak I’m afraid

[autumn turret]

Oh I checked what the 100% speedrun uses for fecto elfilis and they use twin drill lol

[orchid harbor]

But we can all agree, Bomb got downgraded HARD

[timber plaza]

Honestly at that point simply use toy hammer with buff

[orchid harbor]

Bomb and cutter swapped viability

[twin junco]

homing bomb but they blow up on contact

with each othe

[lapis reef]

Regular bomb is... well it's bomb, bomb is only ever just ok
Chain bomb is at least an interesting idea
Homing bomb sucks

[autumn turret]

I am eternal hater of homing bomb all my messages are homing bomb hate

[chrome vigil]

So fair

[orchid harbor]

Not when my challenge is random abilities given to me by the arena

[timber plaza]

I wouldn’t do that on a speedrun lol

I would just do whatever that’s efficient the most

[orchid harbor]

Amen. Except on projectile heavy bosses and those who can spawn magma every .2 seconds

[timber plaza]

If I’m lucky, I can just upgrade them to +⭐️

[autumn turret]

The 100% speedrun uses masked hammer for phantom forgo DDD to Morpho

[timber plaza]

I didn’t even used masked hammer lol

[autumn turret]

Masked Hammer for UCZ too

[timber plaza]

It’s not the best time but I’m just way too lazy

[twin junco]

i fw masked hammer

thee tornadoes are silly

[orchid harbor]

I'm not doing a speedrun, but a meme video on ||UCZEX||

[timber plaza]

Oh, we’re talking about speedrun rn

So different topic ig

Also you don’t have to spoiler tag the name UCZEX because it’s already been revealed in trailer

[autumn turret]

I can't wait to see the first SCW speedrun

[lapis reef]

I'd be shocked if people weren't already

[timber plaza]

First SCW speedrun (will it be FL+SCW or SCW only)

Tbh FL wise people do have to redo the charting with the changes

Especially glitch allowed run

[orchid harbor]

And my challenge states I can only hurt the boss with the randomly gained ability, imagine being on the final boss and you not only lose said ability but accidentally spit a star at the boss, causing the challenge run to be invalidated... I am in mental pain.... Fricken dang it, I WAS SO CLOSE TO COMPLETING THE CHALLENGE WHEN I DID THAT ACCIDENTALLY

[timber plaza]

If it’s a glitch less round, it’s not that bad since there’s no huge difference

So people would just have to focus on SCW segment

Or the order of playing for the most efficient way

[autumn turret]

I mean are you just gonna keep auto-swallow off

[orchid harbor]

Auto swallo was on.

[timber plaza]

Also have to rely on the grinding the starry coins and win the luck for gambling

[autumn turret]

Ah as in you just inhaled a star instead of your ability and spit it instead of swallowing it

[orchid harbor]

I was 2 hits away from winning UCZEX

I had to close the game to invalidate the win

[timber plaza]

Can’t wait for blindfold UCZEX run

[autumn turret]

? Why couldn't you just quit the game from the menu

[red mango]

a bit late but i did try to do an evolutionless run of the game

[orchid harbor]

It was this run. I had to close the game before the cutscene ended

[red mango]

well i guess more specifically setting all my abilities to base

the funny thing is that i was able to do that and get all waddle dees by taking MK's sword to use in forgo dedede's mission

[autumn turret]

Oh huh does the game not save until the defeat cutscene ends? thought it saved the moment the cutscene started but guess not

[red mango]

since you can get it before even unlocking the blueprint

[haughty dagger]

||So lore implications and that may or may not have been discussed already following this dlc:

1. Starries:
   The starries originally sealing effilis were definitely used by the technology ancients as sealing technology(wink wink) after capturing them. Both the Jamba heart and Galactica Knight were definitely victims of such.

2. The importance of Lord of Chaos:
   It's important to state that Genwel has never been to this planet before, and the legend refers to the original meteor Effilis came in instead. I suspect due to the length of time Effilis has spent using their mind, they evolved past their original purpose.

When reduced to their true form, Genwels appearance resembles dark matter, having an eye unlike their siblings true form. Effilis's form can be best compared to both zero and void in color scheme, and void specifically in design.

I personally believe void created the two siblings (and possibly more) as a result of them feeling/seeing chaos. However after years of using its mind in isolation, Effilis evolved to become a being that can be best compared to Zero, the Lord of Dark Matter (hypothetically). I believe however that due to its design resembling void, it's surpassed zero in power.

Now, finally getting to that name "Lord of Chaos". Effilis is already known to be way stronger than their brother by quite a lot, so give them ares (the staff of Genwel) and they surpass any member of their species, becoming the true embodiment of chaos, just like void being the true embodiment of dark matter.||

Me when lore

this took me an hour to peice together and write

[haughty dagger]

||and i cant state enough how big the implications are between Genwel and Effilis's true form, they look almost nothing alike despite both being in the same state||

||I almost kinda want another trilogy with the chaos species like what we had with dark matter but that's prob not happening lmao||

[terse swan]

||round orbs/eyeballs as the final boss, Drawcia Soul/other final boss moveset recycled, darkness, related to someone else||

[haughty dagger]

||Drawcia soul theme intensifies||

||She's like Effilis but art themed and totally not almost identical thematically, minus the whole sibling thing.||

[chrome vigil]

||Think about crystal shards btw||

||An artifact that creates star-shaped portals and that defeats dark matter. Which also has a similar color to the crystals of the Starries||

[haughty dagger]

||we canonically use the power of space babies to shoot a god to death||

[chrome vigil]

||I can’t stress this enough: We had no idea what the hell the crystals shards even were until now||

||Yet we knew they were important because of that portal shape||

||It’s only been like 25 years||

[haughty dagger]

||also chaos is name dropped in the description of voids boss battle in star allies as an element of multiple things, which also explains why something like effilin could come from such an evil species ||

[chrome vigil]

||It seems more that chaos is its own matter||

[haughty dagger]

tbf the lore didn't get this deep til like return to dreamland

[chrome vigil]

||Which results from hate and all that||

||This is the Void Soul egg btw||

||Which is the essence of Chaos||

[haughty dagger]

japanese description better

[chrome vigil]

It is

It is the Japanese one

[haughty dagger]

oh nvm lmao

[chrome vigil]

Dw I know

I know SA has an ass translation

But yeah chaos seems to be the culmination of bad emotions

[haughty dagger]

translation im looking at says void is a being born of chaos but i asume that's an older translation of it

"Void was created from the combination of all chaos and possibilities, Dream, Dark, Soul, and Heart, in a substance of sorts."

i cant post images of what i had but the wiki has a similar thing there ^

[timber plaza]

The instructions for embed roles are in #important-information

[haughty dagger]

oh ty!

there we go

[timber plaza]

Also obligatory mention, nothing serious but I always have to say it; ew Fredditor (I am one of them)

[chrome vigil]

That is normal void

I am looking at Void Soul for chaos

Because it is the essence of chaos

It is basically everything chaos

And the translations I have are from a as far as I know originally Japanese speaking person. I think Faye’s her name?

[haughty dagger]

makes me wonder why void termina and chaos effilis look so different

maybe they just wanna look fabulous 💅

[chrome vigil]

Hm as in?

[timber plaza]

I don’t think Faye is Japanese but I can assure she’s a great translator anyways -from Japanese person

Faye you smell

I can’t wait you ban you, Faye

[haughty dagger]

these two have the same species of core (hypnotically)

[chrome vigil]

Here’s the Faye Translation btw

[haughty dagger]

yet again:

so prob not much of a point in guessing why lmao

[timber plaza]

I remember when I used to call Elfilis a Void only because they both have fluffy neck
Good time, time flies, yeah

[chrome vigil]

I still think gooey is a different species

Anyway

[chrome vigil]

Hah that’s funny

[timber plaza]

Fluffy neck, funny “core”, Void and Elfilis….

Mofu Mofu god sama…

[haughty dagger]

void is kirby god so unfortunately i don't think any species could be on it's level lol

hence effilin being almost the same

it's like a baby void

[chrome vigil]

I don’t think that’s a thing

Considering that Void is the Origin of Origins

I think of the Elfilis species more as a Void reincarnation

[haughty dagger]

it's like mew from pokemon

[chrome vigil]

Just another like Kirby and whatever else

Yeah it’s very possible that Void can become anything

[haughty dagger]

void made kirby small because small is friend size

[chrome vigil]

I don’t think Void made Kirby

More Kirby is probably something that originates from Void

[haughty dagger]

aw

[chrome vigil]

Probably a Dream incarnation

[haughty dagger]

i thought void was like a god who creates things

[chrome vigil]

Considering that Kirby if you would cut him open would be “filled with dreams”

[chrome vigil]

No I would compare him more to a big bang

[haughty dagger]

ahhh ok

[chrome vigil]

When he was born everything else was. At least I think that

Not really confirmed

[haughty dagger]

i need a kirby bible created

pls hal

[haughty dagger]

so is void soul like jesus

[timber plaza]

Ask Kuma, he has the Bible’s

[haughty dagger]

i need it

[chrome vigil]

…no?

[haughty dagger]

lmao

[chrome vigil]

As far as I know Jesus wasn’t the beginning even in Christianity

Kirby would be more like Jesus in that logic

I think

[haughty dagger]

no you're right

[chrome vigil]

Bible is

[haughty dagger]

so if void is the big bang is void soul just the living sentient aftermath of the event

like it created everything and then just floated around afterwards

[chrome vigil]

The thing is

Both Void Soul and Void Termina are reincarnations

They are their own beings that originate from Void too

[haughty dagger]

but they share the same name

[chrome vigil]

Yeah but they are reincarnations

Void arguably too actually

Though I doubt it there

It’s more a Void that is right before reincarnation

While Void Termina / Soul are the reincarnations with Hyness’ hatred

Because keep in mind that Hyness added himself to the being

His hate and all that for the ancients was basically given to Void which rebirthed him into the thing Hyness hoped for

A destroyer of worlds

[haughty dagger]

so void created everything, disappeared as soon as it came, then got reincarnated as void termina due to the amount of dark matter that was produced

[chrome vigil]

Keep in mind that there is not one Void

It exists in every dimension

[haughty dagger]

oh i thought it was a multidimensional thing like the butterfly

it could be one void that created everything, then reincarnated differently in each dimension

[chrome vigil]

No I just think every dimension has a void

[haughty dagger]

huh

[chrome vigil]

Otherwise where would the species come from?

Void is the origin of all

[smoky river]

I think it’s a weird thing with void, i think every void from every dimension is both different and the same at the same time

Like there may be a void in the new world and there is one in kirby’s dimension, and they are both different and the same

[chrome vigil]

It’s the same being but it’s from a different place

They were all born and created but not the same way

[icy tapir]

alternatively its not ||The elfilis species thats void-related but potentially the Starries||

[chrome vigil]

That’s what I think

[haughty dagger]

my asumption is if the butterfly is a multidimension entity that represents death, void (at least the first) would be too since it's the entity of creation

paralell stuff

[chrome vigil]

The butterfly is not multidimensional

I don’t think

There are many after all

[haughty dagger]

galactica knight is never seen in our main universe but his body ends up in the main one in fl since he's pretty much evolved to become the vessel of the butterfly

[chrome vigil]

It’s not the same Morpho

Otherwise it would be Morpho ex

[haughty dagger]

morpho ex not canon (yet)

[chrome vigil]

It is the result of Morpho Knight mastering the power of Galacta

So if it was the same Morpho he would be EX

[haughty dagger]

oh wait the jpn translation deconfirms my theory anyways lol

[patent sluice]

is this everything is void in the year of our lord 2025

[patent sluice]

i think this is just the text equivalent of aura farming

[chrome vigil]

I love the theory that EX is Morpho using Galacta’s Dark Aeon hero form

It just makes sense

That is why the Morpho from Forgo Dreams can’t be the same

If it was he would come as Ex With the power of Galacta

[haughty dagger]

this should've been in arena z ex 💔

we've been robbed

tbf none of the other bosses changed but a morpho fan could hope

though most galacta knight fans have been desperate for years, but i think morpho knight killed him and he's never coming back

[chrome vigil]

I still think bringing back Galacta is a meh idea

[native mauve]

I mean, he technically has though

He's a time traveler who's summoned throughout different points in time

[chrome vigil]

Yeah he is mentioned once vaguely

[native mauve]

No

Super Kirby Clash

lol

[chrome vigil]

Oh that

But yeah after that I don’t think he’ll come back

Honestly

[native mauve]

and ig RTDL DX gives him a little bit of a different move set

They add like

[chrome vigil]

At least I wish he won’t

[native mauve]

that one explosion thing

[chrome vigil]

Yeah but tbf

They update his attacks in every game he appears in

Like the sword rain attack which got 5 more swords every time he appeared

I think Kirby Clash was a wonderful send off

We saw Galacta Knight at his strongest

[haughty dagger]

while the game is canon it kills me to figure out it's placement lmao

[chrome vigil]

It’s in another dimension

Just like Halcandra and the forgotten land

Not the place

Just another dimension

When I talk about the place I say AD

[haughty dagger]

passage of time wise i meant but i kinda get it now lol

[chrome vigil]

It’s actually more interesting than you’d think

The dream kingdom has interesting world building

[haughty dagger]

[chrome vigil]

Like the Dedede Hammer says that Dedede BEAT his rival

Which means that in the Kirby clash universe our Kirby who fought masked dedede lost?

[native mauve]

IMO
In the Dream Kingdom's perspective, it's after Team Kirby Clash Deluxe. (Different Team Kirbys, though)
In Magolor's perspective, it's after Team Kirby Clash Deluxe (which is after Magolor Epilogue) and before his theme park dreams (New Challenge Stages / Dedede's Drum Dash / Merry Magoland).
In Galacta Knight's perspective, before he gets summoned by Galactic Nova in Meta Knightmare Ultra

[chrome vigil]

Also the Haltmann works company exists

Which is uhm…

Weird for the dream kingdom

But okay

[native mauve]

in what way are they implied to exist? With Magolor's items?

[haughty dagger]

isnt the theme park in the dream kingdom though

[chrome vigil]

Yes

One doctor outfit has the logo

[native mauve]

Ah that one you mean

Idk Magolor's items could be based on stuff from other worlds too

worth to note that

[timber plaza]

MAGOLOR

[chrome vigil]

True on that

[haughty dagger]

hagolor

[chrome vigil]

Bagolor

[chrome vigil]

Also I like how some items just straight up imply normal animals

Like white tigers

Idk about you but a normal-ass white tiger in Kirby makes me go: “That’s weird”

[native mauve]

Also I don't think this is supposed to mean that he did defeat Kirby, just that he intended to lol

[chrome vigil]

Ah I see that also would make sense

[native mauve]

I don't think it necessarily indicates that he did succeed at that

[chrome vigil]

Also some of the descriptions are so stupid

Like the chronos outfit and all

The staff itself can apparently warp through space and time

And he sells it for like 41 gem apples

[haughty dagger]

the urge to max out the tree but my wallet not wanting me to

[chrome vigil]

I actually have a fully 100%ed save

[haughty dagger]

2k gem apples a harvest 💔

[chrome vigil]

And yes my wallet is empty

[chrome vigil]

I will never financially recover from this

DAMN YOU MAGOLOR THE EGG!

[native mauve]

what are they cooking

[haughty dagger]

magolor vs mr krabs, epic rap battles of history

[chrome vigil]

Also hehehe

The dark matter hair allegations

Bro that’s not hair. He’s bald

Bald as hell

[native mauve]

tru

[chrome vigil]

He’s just bald

[chrome vigil]

XDDD

YES

EXACTLY

[haughty dagger]

lmao

[chrome vigil]

It’s like that one scene in the DK cartoon

Where DK’s hair ist shaved and it’s revealed that that small peak on his head is skin

[native mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/lex-luthor-gene-hackman-superman-1978-wig-gif-3335780572757552771

[chrome vigil]

Where did you get those translations btw?

[native mauve]

Faye made this doc once https://docs.google.com/document/d/175RvDMzIeksqgoJraTvZMTLCVsHA1wDP0cOoJj18hjw/edit?usp=sharing

[chrome vigil]

Me need

AH!

More FAYE!

Thanks

Faye is one of those goats that I recently experienced the blessing of

I just never knew we had a good translator in this community until a few months ago

[livid nexus]

She is indeed one of the greatest in the Kirby community

[pastel ravine]

|| Maybe the reason the final boss theme has so many motifs is because it’s supposed to be a send off to the switch 1 era of Kirby?||

[ruby geode]

glad faye is the only good translator all others suck

[chrome vigil]

I don’t know if this is supposed to be some kind of jab or not

Like fr I don’t know what to make of that sentence…

[ruby geode]

it's a joke because I'm also a translator for the community lol

[normal holly]

~~isn't it self-disrespect then ~~

[ruby geode]

it's a joke

[normal holly]

i know i know

[ruby geode]

in particular if you read the message I replied to lol

[neat shuttle]

???? it's different

wtf

||like the lead instrument is handled noticeably differently||

[neat shuttle]

wtf

[civic sun]

||oh I was wondering if something was different or if it was just me, yeah that makes sense||

||guess that's another unlisted song technically then||

[neat shuttle]

yeah

||really that random secret moment||

[chrome vigil]

Aaaah okay I see

[neat shuttle]

100% ||A part of me wants to treat Last Song as a tease for the future||

||Just because I wanna hear it completed with actual singing lol||

||It's just such an odd thing to do||

[heady quiver]

||make forgotten land 2 NOW||

[neat shuttle]

||RTDL 2||

||They can just make either and it'll work lol||

[civic sun]

||at the very least I want the written-down vocal new world language lyrics, but since it isn't sung I'm not sure if they'll do that (at least we'll get them for Twinkling Star Showers eventually...)||

[neat shuttle]

||knowing Kumazaki he probably already did it||

[pastel ravine]

|| wrong, they will make a Bandee spinoff first ||

[heady quiver]

based

[pastel ravine]

|| it will make bandillion dollars||

[ruby geode]

||def feel last song has new world language lyrics yes||

||the new world language text shows on screen so||

[civic sun]

||yeah I'm moreso wondering if/when they'll actually get shown, the world will explode from seeing まほろば in new world language||

[ruby geode]

||YEAH I've been wondering about that||

[tired escarp]

||Moonlight Canyon Labyrinth|| is such a good theme...the feels are real

[neat shuttle]

||This is one more reason for me to treat it as a sort of tease lol||

[ruby geode]

||I love how it's just a kirby café remix in a kirby game||

[patent sluice]

||i mean it makes sense for what they going for. I see it as closure for who Neichel was and it's unfinished cause she passed on before she could bit it speaks to her regrets and loneliness at the end of her life||

[neat shuttle]

||i just think it's too much of a banger to leave it like that lol||

||also... tbh, we don't know what happened to her||

||that's actually the big question here, we have no idea what happened to those who stayed, but then Neichel seemed to have maybe gotten a way out||

[terse swan]

||they should leave it like that for the funny ||

[neat shuttle]

they could

like, definitely they could

[terse swan]

||well they either had or didn't have eternal capsules/cyro chambers for them||

[ruby geode]

||if we don't get last song in a game, we will at least get it in whatever is the next anniversary music event||

[patent sluice]

||she could have gotten out but I dont really have any reason to believe that ||

[ruby geode]

||or maybe as a bonus track in the SCW soundtrack CD lol||

[terse swan]

||Food is a struggle to find currently in the New World so perhaps it was too in the past||

[patent sluice]

||i imagine a lot of people stayed in the world after most people had left||

[terse swan]

||they faced death together then||

||or isolated||

||though age = death is not really a known thing in this series right?||

[twin junco]

||the grandpa kirby copy ability:||

[true aurora]

||I’m old||

[junior zealot]

||imagining makiko ohmoto making old lady voice and saying that as kirby||

[broken sapphire]

i am still collecting every kirby character, and i think i got all the ones from star-crossed world

except two of the mid-bosses*

i forgot those

[small cloak]

||snowman :-)||

[autumn turret]

faye sucks I asked them to translate kirby slide and they were like 'fuck you'

[civic sun]

||you not counting the Para Matter-like things or did you just forget?||

[broken sapphire]

yes i should

and of course i'm counting all of them individually, ||just like what i did with the colors of para matter||

[civic sun]

them....

[broken sapphire]

oh nice i can just use these images now lol thanks

...||i realized i have no fucking clue what to call them||

||like seriously what ARE these things||

[wild stirrup]

||Gotta wait till the guidebook||

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[civic sun]

||call them Para Cores I guess? Para Meteonelfilis||

[broken sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usfS3aNn2w4 now THIS is a good video

oh right youtube automatically translates titles when i don't want that

[autumn turret]

YouTube doesn't automatically do that, the uploader has to set a video to have an alternate title in a different language

JP youtubers do that a lot more often

[broken sapphire]

||usually for this list i try to use base the name entirely off existing names if we don't have a real one, or just like the generic animal or object it's based on||

[broken sapphire]

oh cool

[broken sapphire]

||i guess i'll just go with "chaos elfilis eye (insert color)"||

[arctic stone]

i come here to lore shenanigans and tecnical stuff
but i want to post a shitposty art [final boss spoilers ofc]
im sorry but i will do this again

i will come, i will shitpost, i will disappear

[broken sapphire]

still never getting over this weird space they put between Elfi and lis in elfilis's splash screens

[wild stirrup]

I forgot how nerdy the attack names were
Shoemaker Levys 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[civic sun]

Leongar's are also really good

I love Claws Tearing Through Pangaea

[ruby geode]

pipe mouth still the best for bandee

[raven aspen]

hello SCW chat i am back from the silksong lore rabbit hole what did i m- HOLY FUCKING SHIT

[broken sapphire]

true

[ruby geode]

gear mouth is adorable though

[timber plaza]

||I wish this version became part of the waddle live music to throw us off lol But sadge moment.||

||Because the loop is so good lol||

[civic sun]

oh yeah was asking in other server but might as well ask here, ||but with more hidden Y-button Theater stuff being found, is there any other ones or is it just the first three SCW cutscenes?||

[timber plaza]

Just imagine, you accidentally discover this ||before you even start your first stage||

[timber plaza]

From what I know, probably not

[civic sun]

||sort of wondering if they hid any in the other credits lol||

[timber plaza]

Or else people would’ve found them already

[broken sapphire]

||if you hold the Y button for the intro cutscene of the main game you get to play as luigi||

[civic sun]

||finally, a good video game||

[raven aspen]

||if you press Y at the final genwel cutscene galacta theme play /j ||

[timber plaza]

||If you hold Y button for the intro cutscene of the RTDLDX, you can play as Yukkuri Magolor||

||the cutscene plays where magolor gets sucked in the vortex||

[timber plaza]

I love how this doesn’t feel surprising at all anymore ||considering UCZEX music happened||

||ngl hearing unfinished track in credit made me shiver hard from how unexpecting it was||

||and funny it’s not required to even beat first stage||

[rapid pumice]

||mock para matter ? ||

[civic sun]

||para basically already means that, at that point say Para Para Matter lol||

[broken sapphire]

it does?

[timber plaza]

Oh did you know Magolor Soul’s Grand Snow Hammer caused the Shiver Star to freeze

[ruby geode]

gently holds...................

[timber plaza]

I totally didn’t made that up rn

[rapid pumice]

||para could also mean parasitizing, like how genwel parasitizes the starries 🤔||

[raven aspen]

when you know this is some snowgrave bs but you cant prove it

[timber plaza]

You know

[civic sun]

||it is one of the definitions yes ('Beside; near; alongside' or 'Similar to; resembling'), which is probably the ones the Para in their names use ||

[rapid pumice]

||para dale||

[timber plaza]

||this proofs Dale is Dark Matter, we solved the mystery of SCW. Go home now||

[raven aspen]

||dale matter...||

[broken sapphire]

||nuh uh that's the mystery of kirby air riders||

[rapid pumice]

||i find the idea of someone going back to this thread after finally beating SCW to see what they missed, and going through every spoiled message, until they unspoil that image just to find that its an image of dale, really funny.||

[wild stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/drakeandjosh-spherical-present-take-this-offer-gif-5396234

[heady quiver]

This is so funny

||Sure you could actually finish the game or we could just hand you all the lore right now||

[ruby geode]

||yeah whoever said this sounds slightly different from the jukebox version is right||

[timber plaza]

||the lore that you won’t understand until you finish the game either way ||

[timber plaza]

||Istg I thought I was tripping when I first heard it side to side with 150 vs this version (I listened to it at like 5am)||

I wasn’t delusional (part 86)

[slim lodge]

pipe mouth is best for him because its his sheer strength moving kirby up hills

[timber plaza]

Speaking of which I’m getting greeted by massive headache so time to finally sleep

No more SCW for today

It’s time for RTDLDX…

[heady quiver]

bandee watching spring kirby about to slam into a concrete ceiling:

[ruby geode]

mie hear my prayers and put pipe mouth in the SCW novel for the funny scene of bandee panicking on top of kirby PLEASE

[timber plaza]

I think the cutest thing is how Bandee doesn’t get out of the snow until Kirby does

So he’s just wiggling forever

You can make Bandee wiggle forever

[slim lodge]

pipe mouth kirby at the bottom of the rollercoaster: man how are we gonna get up there?
bandana waddle dee, who has trained on the treadmill with tons of protein and was waiting for this moment:

[heady quiver]

I think it’s funny to imagine bandee just holding on for dear life with arch and coaster mouth

[slim lodge]

also at the ||redgar level|| with sign mouth he just lies on the floor dramatically its so funny

[timber plaza]

Bandee is dead

[ruby geode]

and so is magolor

[timber plaza]

Died from Kirby’s reckless sliding

NUH UH

Magolor died from crashing Lor twice but he lived like William Afton

[slim lodge]

i always come back kirby

[timber plaza]

And they kissed

insert the green Magolor rant image

[slim lodge]

so romantic ❤️

[timber plaza]

What can we do to make this about Magolor

And Kirby kissing

[slim lodge]

was doing that throughout scw and my sister got so pissed lmao

[heady quiver]

dead lmao

[timber plaza]

He accepted his fate

I just noticed we took pic of around same frame 😭 😭 😭

[wild stirrup]

:BandeeStareIntoTheWall:

[twin junco]

yo mods pin this fr!

[arctic stone]

PEAK ||and just in time i drew another shitpost lmao||

boss shitpost 2, after this i should compile these in like, either one pic or one group tho ||also i want to draw crackship genwel x the shadow rider from the end of the air riders preview lmao||

[broken sapphire]

i like saying BONK whenever i beat a boss with hammer

||i beat meteonelfilis with masked hammer before it could even finish the transition to the phase 2 music lol||

[fast crest]

I didn't realise I had stumbled across Yukkuri's alternate account

[pastel ravine]

|| it’s so funny how both of Elfilis’s true forms are just orbs||

[slim lodge]

its an honor but i am not yukkuri just another crazy magolor fan

[fast crest]

A likely story

(in all seriousness, I need to go to bed)

[timber plaza]

!?

[autumn turret]

||Why did they remove the mention of phantoms ||

||In a chaotic, meteor-charged Colosseum! is such a weird line in general in English lol
It's like
Not explicitly incorrect but its really weird grammatically following up a full sentence||

||Like it'd be less weird if it was part of the same textbox at least||

[warm osprey]

||Man I can’t wait to see the Hirokazu Ando (live-action Magolor) and Neichel (live-action Lor) duet live in-concert 2 years from now||

[timber plaza]

#adorable-announcements message

[severe palm]

zlaker#0 - #adorable-announcements

<@&1264008256578129961>

Hey everyone. With the first part of the spoiler policy over soon we wanted to ask you guys if y'all were okay with lifting spoiler completely on <t:1757563200:f>. Meaning that you can discuss anything regarding Star-Crossed World in the server without the need to spoiler tag or marking your messages.

This would also mean that one of the SCW threads in #1019287715159744553 would be closed and all discussions about the DLC would be facilitated into a single thread for a while. Please vote in the poll if you can, and if you have any questions or comments regarding this, then please feel free to share them in #1024152358839668787.

Quoted by yukkuri73#0 • [82109680486199296] · Sep 8, 2025, 7:14 PM

[pastel ravine]

Putting polls to good use I see

[ruby geode]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-it-gif-18812641

[pastel ravine]

Which option would you choose

[timber plaza]

I cant even check the poll lol

(The discord I’m using rn is old version before poll were added)

[pastel ravine]

That’s based, actually.

The current version of discord sucks lol

[stuck ether]

I wish I stayed downgraded on mobile but I think my particular device couldn't handle it anymore

[lapis reef]

The longer I don't update, the buggier the app gets (half the time I can't get the discord emoji box to open and just resort to typing the names of the emojis I want to use)

But honestly if it died entirely, maybe I'd stop wasting so much of my day staring at my phone

[timber plaza]

For me, its mainly the emote loading issue and app crash

Id be doing project for my uni on discord (because we often have server for our class) and it randomly crashes

DIADEM
DESTRUCTION
DELIVERANCE

[pastel ravine]

Dedede

[timber plaza]

Magolor and Dedede

[broken sapphire]

||why doesn't meteoneflilis just stay away from the platform kirby is on so he can't hit him? is he stupid?||

what the fuck

i somehow just did a hammer flip that hit TWICE

literally double the damage for no reason

how

i have finally obtained 9 of a single ex figure, specifically nap time

[glass pulsar]

I fear I might not be going for 9 of every figure this time around.

[broken sapphire]

wait ||was the lor ever even said to be made by actual ancients in japanese
i know it says it was "passed down since ancient times" but like that doesn't really confirm it seemingly||

||the line right after also kinda just says "people"||

[junior zealot]

||tbh it feels to me like one of those things that are kind of obvious, especially now. not something that needs to be spelled out entirely yknow||

||sky is blue and sun is bright type thing||

[ruby geode]

||kid named people:||

[junior zealot]

||if nothing else. an incredible power was used to construct it? perhaps, power that was modelled after abilities of fecto elfilis, even?||

[timber plaza]

||MAGOLOR????||

||WE DOING MAGOLOR TALK||

[civic sun]

||I mean, anyone old is an ancient||

[junior zealot]

ultimate uno reversal card lmao 😭

[civic sun]

||but yeah they never said Halcandra specifically if that's what you meant lol||

[timber plaza]

||not the ancient people discussion again||

[broken sapphire]

prove it

[civic sun]

||Yggy:||

[junior zealot]

||i like how we so often have a discussion about how something not being clearly stated that can be inferred nonetheless and how it being clearly stated doesn't matter only to wrap back around to being hung up over something that wasn't clearly stated||

||lor starcutter wasnt built by halcandran ancients. it was built by miyamoto. he's old, so he's ancient||

solved kirby lore

[civic sun]

||Lor was actually built by Magolor (time paradox)||

[junior zealot]

||honestly i would kinda like that? magolor goes through whole character arc of becoming someone he once admired. coming full circle if you will||

||it suggests tragic end for him eventually though...||

[timber plaza]

||Magolor did specifically say ハルカンドラにふるくから so Magolor pretty much says Lor was something that existed in Halcandra since the ancient times. In this context, Magolor is mentioning how people from ancient times made this legendary ship in sense of “Halcandra”. So it’s either Magolor didn’t know anything, or he’s talking about this specific designed LOR. Idk man, I feel like this has been discussed several times and it’s a never ending loop since the beginning||

[velvet moss]

||"a delayed ship could still be good, but a rushed ship will be forever bad."||

[junior zealot]

||lor shares design motifs with other things that ancients were unambigiously stated to have created in the past + all forgotten land lore makes it fairly clear in my opinion||

[lapis reef]

||Honestly, my only objection is the use of the word "ancients" to mean one specific society. I absolutely assume the Lor was made by the people of Halcandra, who were almost certainly at least some of the people who left the New World. I just get mildly grouchy when people then take any use of the word ancient to apply it back to those exact same people when some of it really could have been some other culture||

[junior zealot]

||if only they just used words like halcandrans. but then they couldn't be absurdly vague anymore so we are stuck with ancients 😭 ||

[civic sun]

||either way probably Halcandra or adjacent in this case||

[civic sun]

||tbf I wouldn't use it in bit of cases/feels bit too definitive||

[lapis reef]

Also actual theory ||The Lor was specifically the ship that brought the people who settled Halcandra (and maybe there were other ships that went to other places) which eventually the "our ancestors traveled in that" part got forgotten by those people over time||

[civic sun]

||especially if other groups helped or if talking about stuff more generally||

[junior zealot]

||well we do know that halcandra was kind of like their central hub. a capital, so its like they can be defined like that by association ™ ||

[lapis reef]

Like more specifically ||say they send five ships out, each one going somewhere different. Lor became special to these people because it was theirs. (There's no way their entire population fit on one ship which is why I assume several)||

[timber plaza]

You know it’s always funny to think how ||this specific dialogue confused so many people; 「かれらはモウいなくなったケド」 meaning “Those people are no longer here”. This give assumption to people they either “left Halcandra” or “everyone died” which confused more people making them go “so is ancient people an civilization or people from long ago” even in JPN community||

[junior zealot]

||and then magolor epilogue happened. "yeah they basically died probably"||

[civic sun]

||probably more of a situation where lot of people died, but not everyone (obviously)||

[junior zealot]

||yeah, especially now i dont think this is the case||

[civic sun]

||sort of like new world people but on more extreme scale||

[junior zealot]

||hyness also wonders if some of them just hid themselves somewhere. with all the halcandran ancients lore actually becoming more tangible i feel like we will meet one of them eventually||

like this genuinely feels like a possibility to me now

[timber plaza]

||and these people went to Popstar, trust me||

[civic sun]

||some probably fled, some people probably stayed (and tried to fight or at least survive)||

[junior zealot]

||we do know that some of them were on popstar at some point because -> fountain of dreams (and many many ruins of mysterious origin and purpose)||

vestiges of the ancients moment

[timber plaza]

||I would’ve stayed, I wanna wear the master crown||

[junior zealot]

🗨️

[ruby geode]

ishikawa mention

[civic sun]

that's all of Yukkuri's messages, I think

[timber plaza]

||that was always my assumption lol Hence why I was thinking why Lor took Magolor to Popstar as well.||

[junior zealot]

true!

[junior zealot]

OHHHHH

[civic sun]

||I think some probably went to Pop Star (eventually) at least||

[junior zealot]

||maybe magolor always wanted to go there anyway because he knew of kirby from someone but considering that lor was in a very bad shape and magolor wouldn't have known exact coordinates||

this is actually very interesting to think about

[civic sun]

||but really I think bit of them went to different places in general||

[timber plaza]

Let me find my message from like

3 months ago

Nothing make sense without proper context but
||Basically Popstar and Halcandra is connected via the Another Dimension’s road, which using Lor easily transports between Halcandra and Popstar

Imagine, if Lor was meant to guide the captain of the ship to a paradise, perhaps people of Halcandra that made Lor decided Popstar = Paradise, which is how their artifacts made it into Popstar and planets around them?

Sorry I think I’m just thinking too much

マホロアとローアが　出会った あの日、
彼に対し ローアは 何かを感じた。
楽園へ いざなうはずが、クラウンだっかんの
手先となった||

[broken sapphire]

||okay but why did they make a bajillion fountains of dreams on the surrounding planet||

[timber plaza]

Yeah this makes less sense with actual context

Have fun finding the original convo

[neat shuttle]

||Magolor = Neichel if that was the case lol||

[timber plaza]

DO NOT MAKE MY CRACK THEORY REAL

[lapis reef]

||maybe they colonized those planets too||

[junior zealot]

||my assumption is that every planet where ancients lived had one||

[neat shuttle]

||from singer to egg||

[junior zealot]

||halcandran probably got destroyed in master crown incident ™ though||

[neat shuttle]

||Neichel was so bored she wanted to be an ass to people||

||But a part of me does not want people who made Magolor UTAU to feel too validated||

[timber plaza]

||my crack theory where neichel reincarnated as magolor||

[neat shuttle]

||well the most crack theory is: Neichel got reincarnated as an egg composer in his 50s||

oh wait

https://tenor.com/view/kumazaki-shinya-kumazaki-gdc-game-developers-conference-kirby-gif-15563962322487078885

[timber plaza]

Oh I found the another context about similar topic (would have to scroll down a little because this link flies over to a random message that was sent right before the main topic)

#kirby-kingdom message

[severe palm]

yukkuri73#0 - #kirby-kingdom

Magolor was SUSSY IMPOSTOR

Quoted by yukkuri73#0 • [388838595429138442] · May 3, 2025, 6:18 AM

[broken sapphire]

why

[timber plaza]

Didn’t want the bot to show something else

Wow I was cooking???
||Also 黄色く輝く遥かな星よ from the staff credit wise it can be a a perspective on someone like magolor, or kirby, or even, ancients, on how they saw the star from far away
it does attract everyone after all!||

[neat shuttle]

||it's because Kirby is a pop star||

[broken sapphire]

no i mean why did you say that

[timber plaza]

No clue 😭

[broken sapphire]

[timber plaza]

Oh it’s because

Faye said “Magolor was sus” before getting into the main topic

The funny jumpscare right near the message

[civic sun]

||you know I never even noticed the Lor there||

||or maybe it's the Lor's brother ||

[junior zealot]

||wooden starcutter...||

[ruby geode]

BANDEE

[ruby geode]

||I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS BANDEE IN ONE OF THESE?????????????????||

do I even need to spoiler tag

😭

/genq

[civic sun]

probably not at this point?

anyway there's also

[autumn turret]

Ok can I like
Admit something right now

[timber plaza]

The thing

[ruby geode]

yukkuri please hunt these for me /hj

[autumn turret]

||I haven't read the lyrics english or JP to twinkling star showers or last song until just now
Like I've seen people post excerpts of course but
What the fuck is this shit 😭 ||

[ruby geode]

actually don't I need to hunt them myself

[timber plaza]

Kumamoto is too far from me because it’s far south from Hakata </3 But I could go to Kochi just for Lor merch tbh

[brisk sail]

I love bandana Dee

Him taranza and morpho knight are top three

[timber plaza]

Lowkey I think I have gotouchi keychain somewhere????

[brisk sail]

Is this you?

[timber plaza]

I can look around tbh

[autumn turret]

Unsourced art, bring out the hammers

[ruby geode]

please do not post unsourcered art, can you give us the artist source?

[red mango]

but who made your hammers

[timber plaza]

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/110176423

[ruby geode]

ah yukkuri to the rescue

[vocal sparrow]

[brisk sail]

I found it on Google mb chat

[timber plaza]

lol I brought the wrong source

[ruby geode]

google is not a source, I recommend you to read the rules #royal-rulebook message

[severe palm]

gigi9714#0 - #royal-rulebook

10. SOURCE YOUR ART
If sharing artwork you didn't make, link to the original post of the artwork and/or the artist that made the art.
If you don't know the original artist, don't post the artwork.
Pinterest is not a source.
AI generated artwork is not allowed to be posted under any circumstances.

Quoted by gigi9714#0 • [241151177197092866] · Oct 17, 2024, 12:49 AM

[timber plaza]

same artist tho, Magolor Soul is just missing eyes

I LOVE YOU TA MAGOLOR SOUL

<3333

[vocal sparrow]

What I’m i doing here? I just came here for some reason

[brisk sail]

Yerp

[vocal sparrow]

Ok goodbye guys

[timber plaza]

Anyways back to Bandee

[vocal sparrow]

WHY IS HE JUST STANDING THERE???

[timber plaza]

Accepting fate

[civic sun]

||damn you were missing out on peak....I need the written vocal new world language stuff for them so bad||

[timber plaza]

Bro was not looking at the stream

[autumn turret]

I fucking hate kumazaki

[timber plaza]

[neat shuttle]

||why is Bandee on a chocolate Lor||

[timber plaza]

||Bandee on a wooden Lor Starcutter while fishing the ultra sword skipjack tuna||

Too much information

[civic sun]

||admittedly 跡 made me think of 古代の人々のあとかた first lol||