[SPOILERS] Star-Crossed World

[broken sapphire]

||wow, that sun sure is deadly||

[timber plaza]

||this will be us in like 50 billion years or smth idk||

||kuma's writing a prophacy, to warn us what we have to do in future when the deadly sun arrives||

[terse swan]

||||

||anyway yay propehcies we're dealing with now! just like an rpg!||

[rapid pumice]

||Neichel's prophetic singing kinda serve as elenchi, because her singing helped avoid the apocalyptic disasters by escaping the world.||

[broken sapphire]

||i just realized roche limit starry version having extra vocals is like, the EXACT same thing they did with supreme ruler's coronation (minus the magolor sound effects)||

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO

THE ULTIMATE CUP Z EX NO ABILITY NO BUFFS

that wasn't even too bad tbh
...while it was i was at low health almost every fight lol

[terse swan]

||she is the chosen one by Kumazaki, this is why she appeared at the music fest||

[rapid pumice]

||"Tell me again how it all ends,
And how the forgotten planets bloom.
Light shines on the dew, twinkle and dance.
Newborn cries arise to the skies."||

||evil meteor: everything will end
neichel: nuh uh, we're gonna be born again, get refuted, idiot||

[broken sapphire]

||YOU REALLY ARE "KIRBY OF THE STARS"!||

[terse swan]

||an angel in disguise perhaps||

[broken sapphire]

anyway LET'S GO GAMBLING

[timber plaza]

the best part of the FL+SCW

[broken sapphire]

[rapid pumice]

||i was joking when saying that neichel is an anagram for lor starcutter 😭 why is the anagram angle low key making sense 💀||

[broken sapphire]

I GOT THE SAME ONE THREE TIMES FUCK YOU ASTRONOMER WADDLE DEE

and now i'm already out of starry coins again 😭

[terse swan]

blame it on the box

[timber plaza]

||I thought you said magolor but rologam for second. it was anagram||

[terse swan]

it's a dimension in there

[broken sapphire]

i need 18 more figures and only have 12 rare stones 😭😭😭

WELP TIME TO PLAY THE ULTIMATE CUP Z EX AGAIN FOR MORE YAYYY

[timber plaza]

just farm in ucz or mk cup at that point lol

that's not much figures required

[broken sapphire]

nah i wanna play more z ex

morpho knight sword time

[autumn turret]

||zex reward being so bad is funny||

[timber plaza]

astronomer dee on his way taking away every money and overpriced gacha

[terse swan]

||luckily Kirby can eat it||

[timber plaza]

but he's cute so I will forgive him

[broken sapphire]

||only 6 vol 2 ex figures worth of starry coins, and only 3 rare stones just like the regular ultimate cup z 😭 ||

[timber plaza]

I hope we get gacha ex figure once they're done squeezing every bits of regular gacha irl

[rapid pumice]

||neichel refutes by proving the opposite.
like how the lor helped prove to magolor that he isn't all evil.
I FEEL LIKE A MADMAN BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS COMING TOGETHER||

[broken sapphire]

LOVE it when the music perfectly ends at the end of a boss fight

[rapid pumice]

||neichel = elenchi = lor starcutter 🤯 ||

[native mauve]

Ello chat

[junior zealot]

tra-la-la-la, you animals!

[terse swan]

||spaceships looking like space helmets is le funny||

||maybe they are space helmets that let you glide around in space that also let you receive transmissions instead of being actual pods||

||although the one under the Volcano really goes against that because of its size||

||they had Computers so they should have message boards too||

||really though they must've diverted from technology evolution at some point to get more sci fi than the world is currently||

[broken sapphire]

GO MY FORGOLINGS

[terse swan]

||I mean there's no robots we can see outside of those out of control parade machines so...||

[junior zealot]

some shit caine the amazing digital circus would say

[broken sapphire]

😭

[stray umbra]

Tadc episode 7: the gang go to lab discovera

[broken sapphire]

||YOU CAN'T MORPHO DODGE THROUGH THE METEONEFLILIS LASER? ||

[terse swan]

Lab Discovera is such a dystopia

retro futuristic

||though if they can make a spaceship they surely can make a plane right?||

[broken sapphire]

alright final z ex boss again

||still kinda wish we got to see some more of lab discovera in star-crossed world||

||has anyone documented all the phase 1 to 2 transitions of roche limit starry version yet||

||oh okay cool so apparently the deadly sun pillars can just randomly start breaking early from the heat before the attack is finished. yeah cool||

[terse swan]

||that's right||

[stuck ether]

Pretty sure it's because ||Hiding behind one pillar may or may not make it burn faster||?

[terse swan]

||after all the crystalization sort of acts like ice||

[broken sapphire]

ooh that would make sense

||i mean not logically but in terms of game mechanics||

yeah that seems to be correct

||so you have to actually go between the different shadows, which is a really good way to add challenge||

[lapis reef]

||Yeah one of them broke on my playthrough like that. Damage doesn't kick in right away though||

[broken sapphire]

alright z ex done again

[timber plaza]

||probably the reason why it takes like a moment for kirby to start taking damage, so people can transfer between one shade to other||

[broken sapphire]

alright as long as i get at least 3 new figures from coins i'll have enough rare stones to get every one of them

[timber plaza]

||cause sometimes there's gonna be a extremely small gap between one shade and other, but yeah||

[broken sapphire]

yay i got it
||Tra-la-la-la-la, you animals!||

[lapis reef]

||Yeah, I didn't even notice until I looked back at my footage that Kirby was visibly showing little flames when the pillar broke, because I got into the shade again fast enough. It's a really cool mechanic overall||

[broken sapphire]

what the fuck does this waddle dee even want these rare stnoes for

[timber plaza]

blackmarket

[lapis reef]

Upgrading his abilities (surprise for the next game)

[timber plaza]

air riders:

[terse swan]

whatever the power of the rare stones hold

from their dimensional realm

[timber plaza]

the dee's are gifting it to dedede so he can upgrade his ability in air riders

[terse swan]

thing is they exist in Forgo Dreams too

[broken sapphire]

AND THE FINAL FIGURE...?

control console

somehow the last one is always anti climactic lol

[terse swan]

||mine was Genwel, I must be so lucky||

[timber plaza]

idk what mine was tbh

im dumb I have 15 hour stream video

I can just look at it

ah

this was mine

[broken sapphire]

and i also got every track, let's goo

i kinda just got the hal rooms for fun in my re-playthrough and forgot you actually have to find them to get their music lol

[timber plaza]

||hal room is post winter horns smh spoiler tag||

[lapis reef]

Yeah I was trying to fill out my music on my playthrough and didn't realize I hadn't visited the main game ones lol

[twin junco]

||star dream?||

[timber plaza]

ohh the music

yeah lol that thing is funny

at least there's 2 hal room for the first version

[terse swan]

||the group ones are funny||

[timber plaza]

so you can just visit one of them

[terse swan]

||most of them at least||

[timber plaza]

the devastation on the power plant HAL room when you accidentally walk down the platform

[terse swan]

||like the one with the other members of the council, that one feels padded in||

[timber plaza]

and you cant return </3 (at least its the first room so its easy)

oh I guess I got the final figure first try

[broken sapphire]

oh my god the morpho knight sword wings bounce when kirby dances to music

[terse swan]

look at go!

[timber plaza]

now I think about it, I got pretty lucky with getting figures since I didnt spend as much of them

[terse swan]

he loves music

||He loves Prince of Mirrors and Regret||

[broken sapphire]

100% ||i kinda wanna try to rewrite the lyrics of last song so it's more similar to the japanese lyrics and gets the same message across, but still in english, but also it rhymes, but also fits with the beeps in the instrumental||

anyway that's

KIRBY AND THE FORGOTTEN LAND – NINTENDO SWITCH 2 EDITION + STAR-CROSSED WORLD

100% completed from start to finish

took longer than i thought lol

this is one meaty game now
i'd say it's reached the level of rtdl deluxe in terms of meatiness

[timber plaza]

I tried doing it in one sitting and it was worst idea ever

[broken sapphire]

i could only beat like 1 or 2 areas per day lmao

[timber plaza]

I did it right after I beat SCW 😭

I think the thing that dreaded me the most aside from gacha gambling is probably forgo dreams

[outer mural]

Just got 100% myself. Grinded on the Meta Knight cup to get Rare Stones for the last 6 EX figures.

[timber plaza]

(tbh I am trained enough to play the whole game to 100% in single sitting because I do this often with rtdldx where I 100% them without eating or drinking, just on my chair whole day)

all thanks to the gacha grinding, it feels longer to beat fl+scw than rtdldx but that might also be because I havent figured out the best speedrun tactic for this game yet vs I have it input in rtdldx

[terse swan]

just a few days

[lapis reef]

||Yeah and keeping the rhyme/meter is probably the hardest part of localizing a song||

[terse swan]

Merry Magoland's true missions or Tilt and Roll EX?

pick your poison

[twin junco]

merry magoland

bc at least ive finished those

[terse swan]

it's when they decide to punish Kirby for once

[remote spindle]

tilt and roll is way easier

[terse swan]

or Challenge Stage EX

[junior zealot]

extra missions arent that bad you all just have a skill issue

[remote spindle]

they're not that bad for sure

but tilt an roll is not that bad-ier

[junior zealot]

i mean yeah it isnt

extra hard tilt and roll is that bad though

[remote spindle]

I personally don't have issues with it but now that I think about it, I never really talked about my FL experience with the server as a whole

I don't know what about this game on average is most difficult for people

I kinda get it sixth or seventh try on my files and then move on

[junior zealot]

to me it was too annoying so i gave up once i learned it doesnt impact 100%

[timber plaza]

Good thing Tilt n roll extra doesn’t require for 100%

[junior zealot]

yeah lol

[keen garnet]

||if we look on a broader Nintendo spectrum, we do indeed have a Null and Void 😭||

[broken sapphire]

i realized i could like actually try to this this like right now

[keen garnet]

||F-far a-way... D-dream Land..........||

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[small cloak]

oooooo fun

good luck 🫡

[broken sapphire]

sorry nin10doland but i am not trusting you with the kirby lore

still the funniest kirby thumbnail ever

[timber plaza]

||Hyness and Lor jumpscare||

[stuck ether]

"This thing has a tiny aspect that resembles another thing so they are related"

[broken sapphire]

||to be fair i think that is very much intentional in terms of the lor
in terms of the jamba heart? uhhhh uncle ben idk image||

[stuck ether]

Goes into 100% speculation with no evidence tangents but with full confidence

[timber plaza]

||Hyness is Neichel!!||

[civic sun]

||I can't believe Droppy is related to Elfilis....||

[remote spindle]

||imagine it's because of them using void soul for morpho 😭 || UCZEX

[civic sun]

||tbf they already had bit of sus connections (but I doubt it's super-direct lmao)||

[stuck ether]

SCW FInal Boss
||Ok that fucking void connection is still itching me though||

[civic sun]

||Jamba Heart (and Void) stuff is probably intentional enough too, but I think it's more of a parallel than something super-direct||

[stuck ether]

||Like why the BALL||?!

[civic sun]

||Elfilis also has an orb Core||

||only weird thing is the pattern, but crystal floors have similar one too (and so did Antares)||

||also sort of hard to compare though since we have no idea if Elfilis's was always like that (with the split and all) or if theirs were originally more similar to Meteonelfilis's too||

[terse swan]

||bound now featuring core part of Chaos splitting into clones is like so Void on the nose||

[civic sun]

||(really lot of final bosses have orb forms in general though)||

[terse swan]

||because eyeballs and because Chaos had it so there you go||

[junior zealot]

why bro's ears are hole punched all over like that...

[terse swan]

||this game was missing the classic eyeball & now it has it||

[civic sun]

||normal Fecto Elfilis also has one, just it contained Elfilin||

[agile iris]

Am I wrong for saying they’re… Y’know….

[civic sun]

the

[timber plaza]

||stinky rodent…||

[elder vortex]

||saying what?||

[terse swan]

||yeah though that comes from Elfilin instead of being an emergency form||

[timber plaza]

||I wonder what’s it’s like to be pulled like that from behind by mouthful mode 😭 😭 Like as if your life is getting sucked out of????||

[agile iris]

Y’know…

[twin junco]

spit it out!!

[autumn turret]

||NOT JUST THAT ITS A BREAKDAMAGED LASER||

[civic sun]

||wouldn't say that, it is still considered its 'Core' just like how Chaos Elfilis's was considered its 'Core', as I said it's just Fecto's contained Elfilin||

||and Meteonelfilis's orb is likely it's 'Core' too (though we'll probably have to wait for guidebook to know for sure)||

[timber plaza]

||that they look like Elfilis? Yeah that’s their brother ||

No but really we don’t know

[civic sun]

||imagine it would be pretty painful....especially with Elfilis starting to basically melt afterwards||

[autumn turret]

||Should've done it when the shadows overlap smh
Actually this conversation that's like 'oh I didn't know the pillars could break early' in general surprised me b/c when I first saw that attack I thought the point was to juggle the burning pillars so that you had enough time to survive the attack but the attack ends way before you'd burn through 2 pillars unless you were purposefully trying to burn two of them, and I did see some people that look like they managed to get all three pillars to break early but the attack just instantly ends if you break all three of them early instead of punishing you for it||

||I also half thought maybe the pillar would do damage if you touched it since its very obviously heating up but it doesn't||

||Not that that would really be a real obstacle since they're so tall||

[timber plaza]

||lowkey they should’ve done this||

(It would’ve been funny)

[elder vortex]

what are you talking about

[timber plaza]

||probably like a hard hair pull, but worse. I’d imagine it’ll hurt badly||

||like getting your spine pulled off, even||

[autumn turret]

||That's like saying Leongar made the bubble he was in during Forgo Dreams||

[timber plaza]

||bro was in the bubble because bubble head trapped him||

||also that sounds like me who wants personal bubble||

[terse swan]

||I mean that's still all true as to how they function||

||the core being the last remains of survival for them||

[civic sun]

||I mean that could be said for everything we know of with a Core in Kirby ever||

[autumn turret]

||Actually I wonder if the deadly sun attack still ends immediately if you don't spawn all the pillars
Or if it only ends early if you spawn all 3 and break them as fast as possible||

||Either way it'll be faster to just spawn all three b/c the game waits for you to do that meanwhile the attack immediately starts once all 3 are spawned but i do wonder||

[civic sun]

||and I'd argue Chaos Elfilis is a weird case to begin with anyway as well (again we have no idea what Elfilis's Core was like originally, if it was even more similar to Meteonelfilis's or not)||

||do wonder if they can just be in different spots naturally or if's just that the split fucked things up||

||because Meteonelfilis's is visible from its horns as soon as it transformed||

[terse swan]

||just that I guess in Genwels case they have this core already without needing to split in order to make 2 separate cores/halfs of the same being||

[civic sun]

||never said that much||

||like again, Elfilis probably had one to begin with||

[keen garnet]

||Elfilis got a little hungy and ate his||

[civic sun]

||we just don't know how similar/different it actually was||

||keep in mind, Meteonelfilis is implied to have what partially made Elfilis split to begin with anyway (kindness and/or Starry influence moment), so even if that was a factor (which I doubt) it wouldn't matter here||

[terse swan]

||how much cores can a Elfilis have really?||

[autumn turret]

||Literally who besides you is claiming Elfilis has multiple cores||

[civic sun]

||yeah, unless we consider like, Soul Forgo one or some shit lmao (but it's not really similar at all other than being soul-related stuff)||

||and there's nothing really with normal Forgo or Star of Darkness that really resembles one either||

[twin junco]

||that sure was a matter most dark||

[civic sun]

||only seems to be a thing with the 'adult'/Elfilis forms||

[stuck ether]

My only complaint about the design is that [Final Boss]
||He's so BALD||

Not even like, a ||distinct skin texture to justify the baldness||

[civic sun]

||you mean them being more draconic vs Elfilis's more mammalian (or even angel-like) vibe?||

||I mean duh, Starries don't really have fur||

[stuck ether]

||Bro just needs scales and more crystal bits||

[civic sun]

||they do have bit of starry stuff and patterns all over||

[stuck ether]

||They got rid of the feely bits, he is so damn bald||

[civic sun]

||especially in Giant form||

[twin junco]

||manicured sphinx cat||

[stuck ether]

Anyways since this wont be ever elaborated I may as well put my 2 cents on this:

[Final Boss]
||Color the wing limbs a dark pinkish-purple, and give the membranes a light pink and yellow lattern. Now hang him on green strings like a puppet||

[small cloak]

||me when i noticed his neck||

[broken sapphire]

https://fxtwitter.com/CodeKirby/status/1964368670471123078

CodeKirby (@CodeKirby)

yeah

Quoting SwagKirb (@Swag_K1RBY)
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[civic sun]

||who gave this bitch so much glitter||

[junior zealot]

||shadow queen||

[stuck ether]

Wait I hope discord mobile isn't tweaking on me RN

Or rather I hope it's tweaking on me RN

Yeah unrelated but, for some reason Discord mobile just can't properly process spoilers sometimes, so images and embeds could just fully reveal themselves to me with no input

[civic sun]

yeah that's known issue

mobile sucks lmao

[lapis reef]

It's why being in the spoiler channel is a risk if you're still trying to avoid anything, alas

[hallow gust]

||Life, death, taxes, and kirby final bosses with orbs/giant eyes||

[stray umbra]

||And make sure the shadows align before crossing from one to the other to avoid chip damage||

[heady quiver]

tier list of kirby baddies based on how dead I think they are

[twin junco]

||guess melfilis goes in sealed away|| final boss

[junior zealot]

||tbh taranza did hang out with dedede and kirby in drum dash deluxe so he's prooooooobably a friend? daroach is a friend he's just a criminal||

||also i love how the deadest one is haltmann lol||

||although technically he survived in adaptations more than sectonia (+ light novels)||

[icy tapir]

||GK is a weapon theory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!||

[red mango]

||ain't no way dark nebula is deader than sectonia||

[autumn turret]

||Btw do we think the funny starries elfilis ate are alive||

[icy tapir]

oh my god

[junior zealot]

||hmm. galacta knight is like sephiroth...........||

[autumn turret]

||I assume they are since they like
Just ascend offscreen instead of fading away like the rest of the animals in elfilis||

[stray umbra]

||my mind went to him being like the doomslayer lol||

[red mango]

||like yeah it was sealed in a chest for some reason but
its not THAT dead, it wasn't blasted with a laser or blown up||

[junior zealot]

||idk the doom lore but sephiroth was treated as a weapon that got sealed away when he became uncontrollable||

[icy tapir]

||we donmt know if starries die or not yet||

[junior zealot]

||and both gk and sephiroth got the fallen angel motif going on||

[autumn turret]

||GK doesn't give me pears though||

[twin junco]

||i mean the galactals were sent to eradicate them so||

[autumn turret]

||What does this mean
Like you're questioning if they're actually immortal
Why would that be a question to ask unless there's something in the writing to imply it in the first place||

[icy tapir]

i mean its possible

[ornate palm]

||Are there any uploads of the Ultimate Cup Z EX battle theme yet?||

[autumn turret]

||I mean its possible just like literally anything is possible but what led to considering it in the first place||

[icy tapir]

your question

[autumn turret]

||So like
"Well maybe the starries not fading away like all the animals did implies they're immortal"? sure ig||

[broken sapphire]

first attempt of trying to do this
please tell me if it sucks

[native mauve]

the

[autumn turret]

funny slime core

[civic sun]

tried doing my own (not necessarily just villains or final bosses, but anyone related), could probably have more but eh
||really it's hard to do a clear-cut tier list with how Kirby is and all the specifics of stuff, bit of stuff only has one or two things per tier even like this...||

||feel iffy about Master Crown and Drawcia placement tbh (moreso the latter)||

[broken sapphire]

the funny magoland landia

[civic sun]

yeah lol

Clash also exists anyway

and even 'main world' one survived breaking the first time so idfk

[grave swallow]

Common no ability W

[humble yarrow]

[grave swallow]

This is actually slower than my base hammer time LOL

No ability scales to at least tier 2 tho, a 4+ star spit does tier 3 damage

[autumn turret]

HAL after HiAD realizing blaster bullets should actually do damage:

HAL in early 2018 cooking as they make a 1-object star bullet do 52 damage and a 12 object star bullet do 100 damage:

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/abysmal-dogshit-absolute-cinema-a-guy-gif-7719966734167801090

[grave swallow]

It stops scaling way before 12 right

[autumn turret]

In FL 4 is the max damage, does 300

1 does 80, 2 does 120, forgor what 3 does

But in 2D games they keep scaling for a lot more

[grave swallow]

How is it possible to ever inhale 12 stars

[autumn turret]

As I mentioned, in base SA a single object gives you a 52 damage star bullet while 12 gives you 100 damage
Meanwhile in HiAD and SMEX a single object gives you 78 damage while 12 gives you 390

[autumn turret]

Me staring at the apple/cherry festival on the field

[elfin lance]

whats the basis for this theory? i saw it in the xomments of new world jp and searching here i see it too but i dont quite follow?

[autumn turret]

I mean what else would the song be about

[civic sun]

||also it's not really a theory anymore, it's basically just straight-up said now (see the "Spaceship New World" description)||

[junior zealot]

||the lyrics kinda encourage that its better to embrace experiencing new worlds and places, considering the song was written for this civilization, it has entirely different context than it would be out-of-universe and kirby||

[elfin lance]

isnt that description about tss

[civic sun]

no

[autumn turret]

||What is tss||

[civic sun]

||Twinkling Star Showers debuted the day the ships departed||

[autumn turret]

Oh

[junior zealot]

||sparkling star showers feels like a more personal song to neichel imo||

tho idk if this is a correct read

||especially with the context of neichel choosing to stay behind||

[stuck ether]

Hrm, you know, I gotta check on a song for an """unrelated""" game

[red mango]

||sparkling star showers is supposed to be like the singer's equivalent of someone wearing a board that says doomsday on it||

[elfin lance]

ohh i see. didnt rwalise that

[red mango]

||they purposefully leave it ambiguous as to they exactly why they left
they don't say for sure if everyone was leaving because of the meteor or if that's just another reason||

[stuck ether]

Oh no I misremembered...
||The pre-basegame final boss credits theme is called "From Those Who Departed for Space"||

[broken sapphire]

||the main reason that we've known since the original game is that "their planet was becoming too small", which we now know is most likely because of the sinking continents||

[stuck ether]

I wonder if this was an early implication for something that SCW later brings up

[junior zealot]

||the way this tidbit got recontextualized is crazy||

[red mango]

||yeah but the reason why so many of the continents were sinking is unknown||

[elfin lance]

Water Elfilis

[civic sun]

||it's heavily implied to be due to Elfilis species||

[red mango]

||i mean i think it was implied to have something to do with elfilis but they're purposefully vague as to how that happened||

[broken sapphire]

||The legend of the meteor, said to come flying in with every passing of many moons and winters, is passed down as a verse depicting the past and future. It was said that this meteor sometimes sinks continents, and other times threatens the existence of living things.||

[civic sun]

||+Elfilis being implied to have been in meteor form before (with the whole Starries and Elfilin stuff)||

[grave swallow]

I think if we scale no ability solely against the star based abilities, it scales between tier 2 and 3. It's better than clutter needle and fleur tornado, but crystal needle and storm tornado are quite a bit better than it

Closer to tier 2 probably, like that time is very slow I could possibly do better with clutter or fleur with practice

But no ability also isn't terrible in any fights, whereas weaker abilities tend to have fights they're very viable in and others they're terrible in

Btw, that's my 17th separate ability cleared. Done with tier 3 and 4 12/12, still have 3 tier 2 and 1 tier 1 (hammer ofc), and now none.

Tier 2 is giving me struggles. Tier 1 feels like a nonstarter. Hoping to reach at least 20 total.

[grave swallow]

||Btw I absolutely love the new counter move they gave meta knight because intentionally provoking him and then owning him with a dodge of my own is so funny||

[brazen nova]

||Phantom Forgo Dedede is a boss of all time||

[grave swallow]

I just tried tier 1 bomb and not only found it unexpectedly viable but almost won first try

It's because the rate of fire is the same as the higher tiers

[stuck ether]

Man, I wished SCW did just a bit more with the [Final Boss] ||volcano island beyond just being a spot to fight Genwel||

[grave swallow]

I guess my next tier 2 will be bomb then because it's obviously better than tier 1

What I've learned about playing bomb is don't get cute trying to chain, play all 3 tiers like tier 1 and just crowd and fuck it chuck it

Hard on the mashing thumb tho

[stuck ether]

But I blame the plot for the simple fact that it wouldn't allow for such potential

[broken sapphire]

LOL

[timber plaza]

I cant stop laughing

[broken sapphire]

i'm gonna toy hammer+⭐ the ultimate cup z ex now

already basically halfway done LOL

in terms of boss fights at least

[autumn turret]

||Bruh all these key cutscenes and then Open the Sea||

[junior zealot]

||if nothing else it proves they CAN make in-level cutscenes. HAL you got no excuses now||

[broken sapphire]

||i kinda wish we could still do the chaos elfilis duplication glitch so we could get like 5 lord of chaoses and truly test what the switch 2 can do||

[timber plaza]

||Open the beach, open the sea||

[broken sapphire]

||CHAOS ELFILIS HOW DARE YOU ENTER YOUR FINAL PHASE IN THE MIDDLE OF MY DODGE SLOWDOWN HAMMER FLIP CHARGE||

that was easy

i mean the final boss was more of a challenge than i expected but mostly very easy

13:18.63 with no buffs, that's probably pretty good right

i'm gonna have to get 9 of every ex figure too aren't i

astronomer dee do you really have to remind me of the fact that i already have 1 of every figure EVERY SINGLE TIME

[autumn turret]

Oh they do that now? That's nice

Since like literally no one ever notices the one-time message on the gotcha machine that you have everything

[timber plaza]

It’s like ありがた迷惑

(Idk the English word for it and too lazy to think)

[broken sapphire]

apparently i'll need ||131600|| starry coins to get 8 more of every ex figure (ignoring the fact i already have multiple of some, and that i can spend rare stones too, but also ignoring the fact i can get duplicates of ones i already have 9 of)
that's ||87.7 (SO CLOSE)|| total ultimate cup z ex playthroughs
jesus

is there like. a faster way to grind starry coins

i mean i'm gonna play z ex with every copy ability anyway so that already removes like 30 off the counter

and i'll probably spend some of the 289 rare stones too
i mean i don't really see what else i could still use them for

[timber plaza]

That’s lowkey not too bad

[broken sapphire]

BUT WHY ARE THESE FIGURES SO DAMN EXPENSIVE
ASTRONOMER WADDLE DEE YOU GREE-DEE WADDLE DEE

[timber plaza]

He needs it to pay for his dream of getting his own lab

Bro is Magolor

I LITERALLY MADE A THEORY BEFORE THE GAME RELEASED ABOUT MAGOLOR IS ASTRONOMER DEE

[broken sapphire]

how would that even be possible 😭

[timber plaza]

That Waddle Dee works for Magolor……

Or he is Magolor’s waddle sona

[twin junco]

waddle sona

[timber plaza]

Also honestly grinding wise, if I don’t wanna do ||UCZEX, I just go to HAL room and leave HAL room (leave the stage) and reenter and leave and repeat them lol because starry coins stays even leaving the stage. Though there’s probably a good farming stage for a gacha itself for some of the gacha, but might have to try and calculate how many coins you can get from that stage + how many gacha you can get, and you can try and farm few of the gacha and use the starry coins to farm the ones that’s exclusive to astronomer dee gambling||

[slim lodge]

OMG I DIDNT GO TO HAL ROOM

[timber plaza]

||because some stage has easy starry location which turns into starry coin after you already collected… so adding that, there should be a decent stage||

||it takes like solid 2 minutes to reach HAL room and farm, but it’s not a super bad idea, I guess?||

[broken sapphire]

YOU KEEP YOUR COLLECTED STARRY COINS AFTER LEAVING A STAGE??
that honestly seems like an oversight lol

[small cloak]

||bastard child awww how. Heartwarming ❤️||

[lapis reef]

Don't regular coins work that way too?

[timber plaza]

Yeah lol

Only the mission and gacha doesn’t stay

Unless it’s not the case, but pretty sure it was kept?????

Regardless that stage alone gives you good amount of coins

You can easy farm the gacha there once you know how to get them, so I think I ended up just doing the whole thing over and over again?

I think that stage has my starry coin’s highest score with the time you spend

||Because some later stage gives you decent coins but they’re not worth the time. But this stage wise, you can legit just skip through entire open area while collecting the gacha, go to the HAL room, go through the next area and collect gacha, do the slide mouth and get the prize and finish the stage||

It’s actually one of the least stressful stage in general I feel like?

Getting to one point to another doesn’t take too long, and ||HAL room and finishing the sign mouth gives you decent amount of starry coins in general||

But ||UCZEX might be faster if you can just buff yourself and try to beat it under the time spent more than the time spent in the stage||

This is my personal thoughts
||Im just farming in UCZEX because I feel like doing them several times. Like how I play RTDLDX true arena almost every night||

[broken sapphire]

i wonder if anyone has gotten 9 of every ex figure already

[timber plaza]

I think so

[keen garnet]

I have (when im sleeping)

[broken sapphire]

i know i was at best the fir-SECOND person to do this with regular figures since typman beat me to it

[timber plaza]

lol

[grave swallow]

Who would want to do that

[broken sapphire]

me

[timber plaza]

I’m pretty sure people done it already in Japanese community first week of FL

And same for SCW

[broken sapphire]

😭

[grave swallow]

Like

WHY

[broken sapphire]

i was probably the first dutch person to do it
does that count for anything

[timber plaza]

I think I saw someone with a progress they finished all the volume 1 sometime ago

And they’re on their way finishing up volume 2

I wouldve done this if I wasn’t busy with uni lol

[grave swallow]

I wonder if UCZEX has a clear with every single base ability yet

[timber plaza]

Probably since the game’s been out for over week now

One week is enough for some people to do wild stuff lol

[grave swallow]

There's gotta be one good base drill player out there ig

[vocal sparrow]

Come on Vernias…

[timber plaza]

Japanese community are pile of craziest minded people

(I am crazy by playing RTDLDX 100% every week

#addiction

[grave swallow]

In general I'm not good enough at Kirby to do much more than beat true arena with the top tiers, but in FL I have 32/33 abilities on UCZ and already 18 on EX

please put the damn dodge roll in the next 2d Kirby PLEASE

HAL I'M BEGGING YOU

[timber plaza]

It’s okay we have dodging in 2D game, just funnier and no counter

I doubt we’ll ever get actual dodge roll in 2D game

[grave swallow]

It covers so much ground, gets slow time, and just feels perfect

Only like 3 abilities have a counter tho

[brazen nova]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-washed-my-goat-washed-lightning-mcqueen-mcqueen-gif-13084113942314445304

[timber plaza]

They should bring just guard in 2D game outside KF2 and Clash game

[timber plaza]

Not Vernias using final boss as thumbnail 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[grave swallow]

I'm not good enough to do crazy stuff without it, hence I struggle a bit with ice

[brazen nova]

Vern has been possessed by prosafiagaming or something something

[timber plaza]

Dodge in 2D mainline game is very easy! Especially in KSA and RTDLDX

[brazen nova]

ye dodge was buffed in SA

[timber plaza]

While you can’t counter, it is very easy to do so

Dodge in 3DS era was like so bad lol you legit just move 2 mm

[grave swallow]

It's way less rewarding than FL's though, thus game really incentives you to build an entire playstyle around dodge if you want to get good

[timber plaza]

Dodge in FL was buffed a lot but it worked well thanks to it being 3D platform, because slow-mo counter doesn’t seem to work well for 2D otherwise because of limited ground

[grave swallow]

Eh I can't see how it'd be nerfed by having it in 2D

[broken sapphire]

i was trying to see how few jumps i would need to beat meteor shower's arrival and hey would you look at that

[grave swallow]

Just have it cover slightly less ground if just porting it is too much?

[broken sapphire]

(the answer is no you can't beat it without jumping, by the way. spring mouth's jumps are very obviously required)

[timber plaza]

Also KSA and RTDLDX is a game with 4 players, if they add slowmo for every time someone dodges, it’s gonna be the most annoying system ever

[grave swallow]

LOL yeah I'd sacrifice that

[keen garnet]

https://tenor.com/tJMiijZCOq4.gif

[lapis reef]

It's already weird with Bandee in FL

[timber plaza]

Slowmo/counter with Kirby alone is okay, but with Bandee, people got annoyed extremely fast

Yeah LOL

[lapis reef]

It gets confusing because it's hard to tell who triggered and gets the benefit

[grave swallow]

I'd way rather have OP dodge than coop

[true aurora]

||Me when the Elfilis Siblings turn into goo…||

[timber plaza]

Kirby game are constantly going and trying for a multiplayer system, rather than single player, so it might be hard

Hence I rather have a co-op option with a good dodge like KSA and RTDLDX over slow-mo counter unless the game is single player only

[grave swallow]

I wonder if I'm usual or unusual in FL dodge fitting my eye way better than any game before

Like, absolutely no comparison how much better I play with it

[keen garnet]

UCZEX/SCW ||Me playing the Ultimate Cup Z EX on Switch 3 when the Elfilis and Meteonelfilis turn into the goopy balls and combine into one /j||

[timber plaza]

Plus Bandee already received too much hatred in FL, like mouthful where you only get to spam a spear </3 And the camera are constantly only focusing on Bandee, and it’s worse than other multiplayer 2D scroll game </3

RC Bandee and FL Bandee on their way getting the worst treatment on any Kirby multiplayer experience

[grave swallow]

If the next 2d game has this dodge, I think I could very easily sweep the true arena with every ability, especially if evolving doesn't come back because then the difference between the best and worst ability isn't so vast

[lapis reef]

I've been watching some multiplayer SCW and man if all of the new mouthfuls suck if you're Bandee. You're stuck on Kirby, can't do anything useful, and the new sections are so long

[grave swallow]

Btw, I am baffled why the dlc didn't add like 4 or 6 new abilities

Like that's the first and only thing the game needed to feel more finished

[lapis reef]

Because then you'd have to make them feel useful/like they fit in existing levels

[grave swallow]

Nah, you just have to make them good in combat

Which is simple

[timber plaza]

The only upside is giving you a cute animation at end of sled mouth

I wish they let you choose who will control the sled

Or let both of them control if they wish to do so

Similar to KSA

SLED

I mean sign

[grave swallow]

It's basically a sled

[timber plaza]

The brain keeps calling it sled mouth because of the original concept being called sled mouth lol

It changed from sled to sign

[lapis reef]

It's like how RtDX added two new abilities... that are effectively just amalgams of existing ability functions. Sand and Mecha just grab various moves from different abilities already in the game and give them a new coat of paint

[grave swallow]

They're both awesome tho and that's all I care about

[lapis reef]

Sure

Not denying they're fun

But they were very intentionally designed to feel at home in the existing level design

[grave swallow]

And these 4/6 could just be classics anyways

Stone is the easiest thing in the world to implement, spark, fighter...

[lapis reef]

Anyway, SCW isn't a new game. It's more like a level pack. So I don't blame them for not adding new full abilities

[grave swallow]

I couldn't understand why stone wasn't included to begin with, it's the most braindead simple thing to make

[lapis reef]

I can already imagine the fighting lol

[grave swallow]

And beginners love it, i thought it'd be one of the first 3 or 4 to make the cut

The only ones that felt more obvious pre release were sword, hammer, and maybe fire and ice

Oh and Beam, is usually the first ability you get in a lot of Kirby games

Would be easy as hell to convert to 3D

Ranger did get its charge shot

What do you think evos for abilities like Stone, Beam, and Fighter would've been?

[broken sapphire]

yup that was exactly as bad as i thought
(the challenge, not the video. i think literally every single jump came from spring mouth and sign mouth.)

[grave swallow]

How doable is it if mouthful aren't included?

Like how do you even scale the very first building without jumping

[broken sapphire]

if you don't include mouthful mode i think it would be possible?? i don't think there were any non-mouthful jumps

[timber plaza]

The little trolling

[stuck ether]

Oh hey his thumbnail is different on my end and-

[FINAL BOSS]
Oh it's FUCKING BIGGER-

[agile sigil]

|| https://youtube.com/shorts/LusrXL26K4E?si=5QBcLKak9iapgNc_ ||

[broken sapphire]

how are these 2 separate videos 😭

[agile sigil]

|| This video talks about how the one spring challenge in SCW Concrete Isle can also be a Drill challenge. That's pretty cool ||

[keen garnet]

||I find it interesting how lots of people put the Chaos Gorimondo in the thumbnails as a seperate spot despite the fact it's literally just Elfilis' attack||

[agile sigil]

|| The ordering of the boxes seem a little random. Why is normal Tropic Woods on the bottom row sandwiched by endgame bosses in the first thumbnail? XP ||

[broken sapphire]

||both of them also have all 3 phases of meteonelfilis lol||

[broken sapphire]

obviously tropic woods was the evil mastermind all along

[slim lodge]

whats yuki katos note color yall 😭

[small cloak]

||bald phantom meta <3||

[slim lodge]

||also how do i get the new elfilin dialogue i know it exists but idk how to get it 😭||

[stuck ether]

go home

[small cloak]

1. purple

2. ||keep talking to elfilin||

[stuck ether]

that's it you just go home and proceed

Yeah I do not like how you have to trigger that

[small cloak]

||mfw i talk to elfi 6 times & give up right before the funny dialogue shows up||

[slim lodge]

like i thought it would be orange if there was new text so i was like am i doing something wrong

tyty

[red mango]

yeah it will be orange

[slim lodge]

ty for this too my old list got sakai for purple but im pretty sure hes like magenta-ish now

[red mango]

||although it will be the message before that one||

[slim lodge]

anyways IVE LITERALLY BEEN WAITING FOR YUKI KATO TO MAKE SOMETHING SINCE RTDLDX SO THIS IS LIKE THE BEST DAY EVER FOR ME

its so rock its so good

[small cloak]

ye he's lilac/lavender/ light ourple now

[keen garnet]

😭

[grave swallow]

I'm pretty convinced at this point that bomb is the second best tier 1, anyone disagree?

Sword might be in the running, maybe ranger but I'm convinced it just deals damage too slow

Fire is comically inferior to volcano fire, ice might be decent with the tech but I don't know it and it's the slowest ability in the game for me, cutter endlag, tornado is much less bad than I thought but doubtful it's "viable for UCZEX" not-bad, needle is probably worse than tornado, drill is unviable

[timber plaza]

Is this background literally just a stage 1 background????

Literally spent 10 min trying to pinpoint where the original image came from and if it was part of the key art

But than I’m like “wait”

[civic sun]

yeah, they've used it a bit

[timber plaza]

I thought I was having a weird delusional moment lowkey

(I always have delusional moment)

But yeah okay at least I wasn’t actually delusional cause I felt like I’ve seen it but couldn’t fully remember

[civic sun]

well different ones of that one background I guess

also see UK site finally updated lol (took them until after release to do that. lmao)

[civic sun]

anyway this should be it (got it from https://www.nintendo.com/ph/games/switch2/arzga/index.html but original version of JP site also had it iirc)

[timber plaza]

If it’s in Japanese website than I’ve def seen it and that’s why I have the memories
If not, than idk probably someone sent them to me and saw them randomly and it was in corner of my tired memories

I’ve barely slept today so I’m not gonna think any further

[civic sun]

seems like current JP one has cropped and filtered version

meanwhile original JP site had the full thing though normally blurred (https://web.archive.org/web/20250402171454/https://www.nintendo.com/jp/games/switch2/arzga/index.html, site doesn't seem to display properly in archive but you can see the backgrounds)

[autumn turret]

More accurate tl for this cutscene name ig

[autumn turret]

||Oh ok I saw someone try to hover the attack, looks like it hits at max hover height too||

||Ok you definitely can't hover it anymore||

[autumn turret]

||Oh wtf you don't heal with morpho knight sword from attacking the para matter orbs
I guess you don't heal from destroying Chaos's normal bits either||

||Oh huh did Half Moons not do damage on guard, guess they didn't||

||Wait wtf the Masers don't do damage on guard either
I forgot how stupidly gentle chaos elfilis phase 1 is lmao||

||Masers not damaging at all on guard is actually insane||

[icy tapir]

||Is this the same terms used in Magolor Epilogue||

[civic sun]

||if you mean like with rock bottom, no that was ドンゾコ (or どん底), idr if the other stuff was used or not ||

[timber plaza]

A

|| 堕チテ、ハルかドンゾコニ…||

||Yes I showed up because Magolor mentioned||

[civic sun]

||ah okay right 堕 was used there||

[autumn turret]

pEAK

[autumn turret]

||Bro every time I see a Phantom Forgo Dedede or Forgo Leon fight I'm like 'what the hell' b/c of ZEX giving them actually good music /s||

[timber plaza]

AHHHHHH AHHHHH AHHHHHH

||I STILL CANT BELIEVE WE GOT MAGOLOR EPILOGUE MUSIC AHHHH AHHHHH JUDGEMENT AND ONWARD WAHHHHHHHHHHH dies||

I legit forgot how to breath on my first encounter

[steady trench]

||Alr, lowkey, Meteonelfilis is growing on me now. Still tight it wasn't Galacta Knight, but I do like his design and think he adds some lore (even if not that much) to Elfilis.||

[autumn turret]

||I can vaguely understand wanting GK
I can also vaguely understand thinking Meteon was disappointing
I cannot at all understand having both those takes at the same time
It's like going 'oh man that ice cream cone wasn't filling enough I wish I got a lollipop instead'||

[icy tapir]

||does that include the ice cream or is it just the cone||

[autumn turret]

||how do you think people normally use 'ice cream cone'||

||Also wait I've finally seen another person fight ZEX Phantom Forgo Dedede and have them do the jump attack and the shockwaves did kill the enemies ||

||So I guess that wasn't a thing after all??? Why did the shockwaves not kill the enemies that one time I saw
Should've clipped it smh||

[icy tapir]

||idk we just call ice cream cones just Ice Cream here||

[normal holly]

||maybe hitbox jank or different kind of shockwave which has friendly fire feature? ||

[autumn turret]

||Wait this entire time I thought the lightning from Chaos's wing crystal projectiles were the lightning from Impact Pound but its like purple actually so like
It isn't even||

||Why did they randomly give these things lightning when they land then I thought it was like 'well now that we replaced the lightning with tornadoes what do we do with this lightning asset'||

||I guess its like
To address the problem with the orbital pulsars so that you can't just hover in place to avoid them??||

[flat wadi]

|| has someone done a English cover of the unfinished track yet? I’ve only found a teto cover atm ||

[autumn turret]

||Do the english lyrics actually match the music||

[ruby geode]

||someone did but it's on wikirby server and so-so and I don't think they want shared outside of that||

[ruby geode]

yes

[autumn turret]

nice

[flat wadi]

||that’s fair||

[ruby geode]

||it works pretty well and better than twinkling star showers from what I can tell||

[flat wadi]

|| still don’t know why she’d want warm cake tho, cake is best served cold ||

[charred flare]

so.. if I want to talk here I have to use the spoiler tag?

[flat wadi]

Practically, yeah

[burnt wedge]

Yeah, see the top post.

[charred flare]

I see, sorry I didn't see it, it immediately put me down here

[burnt wedge]

||So anyways, the final boss was pretty awesome!||

[charred flare]

||So I saw the final boss and went "I can draw him" and then I saw his horns||

||Can I post art of the final boss here or it ain't allowed?||

[ruby geode]

||you can, have you read our spoiler policy? because it answers your question||

[true aurora]

||https://fxtwitter.com/jamesonmozelle1/status/1964508294598561899?s=46&t=KjgI8a61BxDiubZJ7PvGsg|| (Final boss)

James: 👑Peach Era💖 (@JamesonMozelle1)

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[charred flare]

||aight aight, yeah I did read it I was just a tad bit hesitant||

[autumn turret]

||Ok I checked wmex's video where he didn't shake out of crystalization and got hit by Antares Belt
It looks like no matter what attack, as long as you get hit while crystalized, you take 60 damage for Chaos Elfilis||

[charred flare]

||Wait I can't post anything?||

[pastel ravine]

SCW or Magolor Epilogue

Pick one

[autumn turret]

||And you definitely don't take 60 damage from getting hit while crystaled in Genwel's fight||

||I'd need to pull up footage of someone getting hit while crystalized for Genwel which I'm too lazy to do but its like way less||

[true aurora]

Def SCW

[ruby geode]

this is like choosing between your favorite savory dish and your favorite dessert

[junior zealot]

the battle of peak

[civic sun]

Epilogue (but both are good)

[autumn turret]

||As much as I like boss fights i wouldn't choose epilogue b/c I don't like how magolor plays||

||He gets fun once you unlock triple magolor storm but otherwise I just don't like how he feels||

[charred flare]

||Lineart of Mr "Throw a damn building at you"||

||I thought he'd be really easy to draw then I saw that horn crown thingy he had and yeah||

[pastel ravine]

So, I’m guessing you prefer Epilogue

[ruby geode]

my real answer to your question is legit that I don't know right now

[timber plaza]

MAGOLOR EPILOGUE????

[ruby geode]

I think they are both amazing in their own ways

[junior zealot]

i mean both things are going for something different

[ruby geode]

yeah

it's hard to compare two different kinds of peak

[junior zealot]

magolor epilogue is quite literally an epilogue and has more experimental gameplay style which i can appreciate

scw is more of a full fledged campaign that iterates upon the main game

[ruby geode]

SCW in general just feels like a better version of FL's story mode while yeah

what klu said

[timber plaza]

Magolor Epilogue sweeps because the main character is Magolor

[native mauve]

the wheel decided

[ruby geode]

I also like forgo dreams and HiAD if we throw them in the mix

[true aurora]

ME makes me hope they introduce a combo system again lol

[native mauve]

(I like ME the most)

[timber plaza]

Rigged

[autumn turret]

I really wanted to say Magolor Epilogue sweeps purely b/c Tree Crown Without a Ruler is absolute peak

[ruby geode]

I still want a mainline 2D kirby that uses epilogue mechanics as a basis

[timber plaza]

Based

[ruby geode]

pls I want regular kirby with combo system + skill tree sort of thing

[native mauve]

This is why we need a new game like Super Star

Make Kirby GCN 2

or well

6

[junior zealot]

one thing we can say for sure is that hal is really innovating what can be done in kirby's post-game now and thats awesome. i hope they never stop because its infinitely cooler than anything done pre-star allies.

[ruby geode]

YEAH I agree

[pastel ravine]

Kirbayonetta

[timber plaza]

I mean, they’re both extremely different game lol
I love both music, both visuals, both bosses, both stages

But Magolor Epilogue just, sweeps

[native mauve]

Yeah I like how experimental the post-games have gotten

I did love the speedrun modes

but these new ones mog

Dededetour had aura tho

[pastel ravine]

I knew yukkuri would pick epilogue

[timber plaza]

Speedrun mode is fun but also the timer makes me want to rush

[ruby geode]

this is actually so funny because before FL was a thing I remember my biggest wish for a 3D kirby was gameplay sort of like bayonetta in the sense of combo system for combat LOL

yeah please kill speedrun modes forever

I never liked them

[junior zealot]

honestly i can see this being the next 2d game. but maybe thats my wishful thinking speaking. imo HAL is showing that they have interest in utilizing kirby's cast more and i feel like this type of game can be a great way to incorporate them naturally.

plus this kind of format would be much more difficult to accomplish in 3d

[native mauve]

I kind-of want a sandbox Kirby eventually due to the ||Wastes That Count Time||

[timber plaza]

I wish there was like, a option to delete the speedrun timer

[junior zealot]

so it would make it stand out more from the future 3d installment

[timber plaza]

Like recorded run and non-recorded run
Just so I don’t have to sweat to rush

[pastel ravine]

Speedrun timer? I’ve never heard of this.

[vocal sparrow]

||ZackScott is washed too… 🥀 ||

[junior zealot]

i think they can be fun but they definitely feel restricted. like how 3ds speedrun modes attempted to expand on the main stories but honestly caused more confusion and didnt utilize their ideas to the fullest lol

[native mauve]

The speedrun modes lowkey had aura tho

[junior zealot]

10 more years of discourse on if dededetour is canon or not

[ruby geode]

I agree, though yeah my main issue is like yukkuri said

I see the timer and my brain goes "gotta go fast"

[native mauve]

It's canon to Blowout Blast because the Sectra enemies are now part of his army there

[ruby geode]

and I don't fully appreciate it

[pastel ravine]

Do you think it’s canon?

[ruby geode]

LOL

[native mauve]

Galacta Knight cutscene in KSSU got too much aura

[timber plaza]

Forgo Dreams are funny because Psychomeddler engraves into your brain, and scattered souls are also peak

[autumn turret]

Yea I have just like
Never acknowledged the timer in speedrun modes
Its like
The mode is very evidently not designed to be speedran but they just put a timer there anyway

[junior zealot]

no

its utterly nonsensical if you try to make it work with the story mode

[native mauve]

trust it's in Blowout Blast's continuity, trust

[junior zealot]

also dedede shatters dimensional mirror in the end which is evidently not its fate currently

[junior zealot]

who cares about blowout blast continuity 😭 🙏

[native mauve]

It's the new one

trust

[junior zealot]

next we will be discussing kirby fighters deluxe continuity

[native mauve]

Star Rod Dedede Hammer had aura bruh

[junior zealot]

the idea has aura, the execution is fairly auraless

[autumn turret]

At least for the modern ones I guess MK and MKU had no substance outside of being speedran
But like Dededetour/MKR/even Guest Star is like
It feels like they just slapped the timer on there for old time's sake even though the level design is very much meant for exploration
So again I've basically just never actually treated them like speedrun modes

[native mauve]

hype moments and aura

[junior zealot]

because its mostly a reskin of masked dedede fight AGAIN

[native mauve]

ok but now there's....

64 of them...

wait...

64...

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[junior zealot]

dededetour at least kind of tried to make exploration work with the timer even if it was wonky due to how the levels were structured

finding shortcuts as rewards is a cool idea for a speedrun mode

[autumn turret]

I mean technically they all do

[junior zealot]

i mean yeah but meta points are lame

you get them by killing enemies so they dont feel special

[junior zealot]

i still dont get what they were going for with this reference because otherwise kfdx has no mention of anything kirby 64 related

[autumn turret]

Dededetour's secrets give you shortcuts, MKR's secrets give you points you can use to meta quick or other things, Guest Star gives you speed up hearts and other things
But the point is like
If you legititmately can't just acknowledge 'oh yea that timer is just a holdover and doesn't matter' these modes suck b/c like
They're clearly designed for the timer to just be something you ignore

[junior zealot]

ian flynn ass reference

just like revenge of meta knight

truly faithful to the core of this concept

[autumn turret]

Its like if someone said 'I fucking hate mario because I'm obsessed with the arcade-holdover point system' and it's like
Yea that must suck b/c the point system hasn't been something anyone is intended to pay attention to since like the 80s

[junior zealot]

unironically tho i kinda want them to bring back speedrun aspects separately from the extra mode

[native mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195706171762540544/1051577898823336109/hyness_speech_easter_egg.mp4?ex=68be827c&is=68bd30fc&hm=acd2cbe4d121d8fcb45a90664816fed25184a0022c775bb30a4f6d3a23fb4740&

[junior zealot]

that expands on the game and has new content like levels or bosses

because i feel like having those in the game is cool! and there is kirby speedrun community

but these aspects are always married to something that people who arent interested in speedrunning dont care for and vice versa

[timber plaza]

Detour is so funny because level 2 taking about 5 minutes and level 6 taking about 25 minutes

[junior zealot]

yeah pacing was kinda bad 💔

[autumn turret]

That's just Triple Deluxe itself

[junior zealot]

why did they cram all extra stages at the very end

[autumn turret]

Royal Road is like 40% of triple deluxe's main story

[native mauve]

hype moments and aura

[autumn turret]

Same with Access Ark but to a bit lesser of a degree

[junior zealot]

if triple deluxe was made nowadays then other floralia islands would have more visible traces of the people of the sky's culture and sectonia's takeover

[timber plaza]

Thank you Dangerous Dinner for being the perfect length

[junior zealot]

but since kumazaki is still very green we are getting NOTHING

just that they worshipped some snake

[native mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-2-spiderman-venom-kiwami-yakuza-kiwami-gif-16366304569222361796

[native mauve]

That's quite solid

[junior zealot]

not so solid after i was done with it

[native mauve]

Well then it'd be Liquid

[vocal sparrow]

When are we getting Kumazaki and the Amazing Mirror?

[junior zealot]

i guess if nothing else it shows how far the series came since 2014

[native mauve]

I KNOW he wants to do a game about it but I can't prove it

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[icy tapir]

its more like Amazing Mirror was one of the first things he has headcanons of

he can make a game around it if he wants to

[junior zealot]

call me crazy but i feel like both 3ds games have deliberate sequel hooks because kuma knew that he cant quite get these ideas to their fullest potential

and now that he has

well

[icy tapir]

i

[junior zealot]

i can keep being delusional

[icy tapir]

I'll be honest with you only Susie felt like a sequel hook but in like a

This Character Still Lives sort of way

when did Triple Deluxe have one

[timber plaza]

Ough back from death, my father threw a chocolate egg at me

[icy tapir]

?

and please dont tell me the petals after the true arena boss explosion

[junior zealot]

mirror is still out there and it corrupts people

[native mauve]

I think Triple Deluxe's stuff is more-so after the game itself came out lol

[icy tapir]

Oh

[junior zealot]

yeah

[native mauve]

The petals are important.

Trust.

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-mike-pippin-green-conspiracy-gif-5869661353018453933

[ruby geode]

god

[icy tapir]

idk why but ive heard a non-zero amount of

[icy tapir]

this

and idk why

Genuinely dont

[native mauve]

I like petals.

[junior zealot]

and well its been established afterwards that taranza is still grieving. which wasnt something that existed in the original game whatsoever

they didnt need to add that

so like

[timber plaza]

Kuma ate the petals on the ground one day and went “let’s make this important”

[native mauve]

I mean, Soul of Sectonia did imply it with him calling to her with his voice

imo

[junior zealot]

maybe but it was vague

[native mauve]

So I do think it was an idea already, just

[junior zealot]

but then star allies is like

[native mauve]

yea

[junior zealot]

"bro literally wants to ask her to come back to life dragon ball style"

[native mauve]

I like to think Soul of Sectonia is a response to his prayers / grief but it didn't turn out so well unfortunately

[timber plaza]

Taranza is genuinely stupid, I’m not sorry for this

[junior zealot]

i mean he is but i like him anyway

[icy tapir]

Actually now that i think about it

[native mauve]

Taranza is potential man

Doesn't even have his own motif, it's just Dedede's in French

[junior zealot]

taranza reacts to sectonia the same way yukkuri reacts to magolor

[icy tapir]

thinking of the Kirby series as a 4D game really makes me wonder if the Kirby we know has experienced everything that he can be playable as

[junior zealot]

tee-hee

[icy tapir]

like is it the same kirby

who knows . . .

[native mauve]

yes.

Trust.

[junior zealot]

and at the same time he has more chances to fulfill his potential than galacta knight

rest in crystals

[native mauve]

Kirby anime is before the games because Kirby is a baby there and Nightmare says he will come back, this is why Dedede broke the Star Rod, he already knew Nightmare

I am Kumazaki

[junior zealot]

this post is like kryptonite to me

i feel weak

i feel like dying

[native mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372223132005568596/1411470019346563254/Gznn1MiXUAAPBmQ.gif?ex=68bea8a4&is=68bd5724&hm=bb0ed39b6728bffa8974c4d45d87e644737496884f61e3e62e99182be22e43c8&

You see, Escargon unfortunately passed away offscreen. This is why he never appears until Mass Attack, where he shortly came back to die again offscreen afterwards.

[junior zealot]

escargoon became escargot

and i ate him

[native mauve]

Escargone...

||I can't believe Meteonelfilis will be reborn into Escargon in Kirby of the Stars: Crystalized||

[junior zealot]

||fanfiction if star-crossed world came out in 2011||

[autumn turret]

||Watching wmex's video and wait are you serious the crystal for the refracting laser doesn't have a hitbox? 😭 ||

||Oh huh it did when wmex disabled the laser||

||Oh and standing on the tallest step on the staircase gets you hit unlike in the base Chaos deadly sun nice||

[rapid pumice]

||anyone notice how chaos lord elfilis' little eye dudes all do dark nebula attacks?||

[junior zealot]

||para matter can truly do it all||

[rapid pumice]

ice, fire, and electric

[autumn turret]

||Kumazaki when he tells his team he wants another Drawcia Soul reference:||

[rapid pumice]

||and they all look like dark nebula too...||

||did chaos elfilis have the soul cutter move in base game?||

[autumn turret]

||chaos elfilin||

[timber plaza]

||Dark Nebula’s children is Para Matter /j||

[autumn turret]

||Para Matter reference in 2025 my beloved||

[timber plaza]

||always bet on Drawcia, Magolor, and Dark Nebula the ruler of darkness||

[rapid pumice]

||oh, i didn't realize para matter also did the same attacks as dark nebula lol||

[autumn turret]

||The attacks don't resemble dark nebula at all||

||Dark nebula shoots a laser for ice, creates a column of fire from a fireball, and shoots electricity at the corners that then covers all screen edges||

[rapid pumice]

||i thought they looked pretty similar||

[timber plaza]

||Dark Nebula believers making sure everything about SCW is Dark Nebula reference||

[autumn turret]

||Genwel ate Dark Nebula in the past you can't convince me otherwise||

[timber plaza]

||based tbh, Dark Nebula needs to return||

NO

YOURE EVIL

[rapid pumice]

||i thought it was just a matter of changing the attacks to fit better in 3d, lol||

[lapis reef]

The truth they don't want us to know ||is that Kuma made a deal with the real Drawcia to keep the series successful if he put her in the game. The trick is, the deal had the fine print that only the games in which she appears would sell at all, so now they must keep referencing her. The moment HAL forgets about Drawcia is the moment the series ends.||

[true aurora]

||I like how everyone sees this as a Dark Nebula reference instead of Drawcia Soul’s Para Matter||
||Won’t someone think of the Para Matters ||

[rapid pumice]

||i've never actually fought drawcia soul, so para matter is a blind spot of mine||

[true aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-book-fire-fire-book-his-writing-is-fire-as-a-child-i-yearned-for-the-mines-gif-7492916682126134420

[autumn turret]

||Para Matter is a blind spot for anyone who fought drawcia soul too since you'd have to have a real skill issue to fail to reflect them all back in time||

[rapid pumice]

||i'm normally on top of my game when it comes to drawcia soul references 😭 lmao||

[autumn turret]

||its not like chaos where you can barely hit two back, you just tap on them once and they get sent back at drawcia soul||

||So like -53 people have actually seen what the para matter do if you let them stay on screen||

[timber plaza]

||actually this is false statement, 75% of the people rage quit before even getting to Drawcia battle||

[autumn turret]

So true

[rapid pumice]

truke

[junior zealot]

facts

[rapid pumice]

||i need to replay canvas curse soon. emulating stylus is such a pain tho||

[junior zealot]

if i didnt commit to finishing every single kirby game in a marathon i would never get to her

[ruby geode]

server peaked everyone

[rapid pumice]

||i find it so funny how most other fanbases would hate it if bosses reused other bosses attacks, and yet here we are going like "yippeee 1 million more references to drawcia soul Please" 💀||

[lapis reef]

Watching the boss fight on YouTube is almost as good
||https://youtu.be/ypo7f5ZzCWk?si=cYIreoB6koCnZ02K

It's like, I've never seen you before, and yet I know you lol||

[junior zealot]

||tbf original chaos elfilis was criticized for this. i think the new fight balanced references and new attacks better||

[civic sun]

||this is also why she's partially ingrained into so many characters (sisters moment, Soul bosses moment, Grand Doomer moment, Magolor moment, etc.), and even boss-specific pause screens technically come from her....||

[rapid pumice]

the original orb boss

[civic sun]

||soon enough, she and Magolor will take over the entire series||

[autumn turret]

||That's the thing though
No one is failing to reflect back a para matter in this video
You're not gonna find a battle where you see a para matter actually attack without digging for 69 hours||

[lapis reef]

Yeah I just meant in general

Instead of actually playing the game lol

[timber plaza]

Wdym that’s already the case

[civic sun]

true
who's Kirby

[autumn turret]

||Actually the secret is now that the final Drawcia Soul attack has been referenced we're never getting a Kirby game again||

[ruby geode]

||...literally this message made me realize para matters originally attacked if you didn't touch them in time omg what 😭||

[autumn turret]

||Its always funny realizing you have no idea what happens when you don't do thing in a game||

[ruby geode]

||who modded canvas curse to add this ||

[timber plaza]

WHY IS ISHIKAWA 😭 😭 😭

[autumn turret]

I modded this in based on Soul of Sectonia of course

[ruby geode]

PEAK

[timber plaza]

||the only thing people remember about Drawcia soul is deadly sun, of course people don’t know para matter is and how they even have a official artwork for it||

[ruby geode]

oh god me when I'm 10+ years late to realizing a reference

fake fan

[civic sun]

||most people don't even know the Para Matters have individual names...||

[rapid pumice]

||i knew of para matter, but i didnt know they attakced LMAO 😭 ||

[civic sun]

||I love my Para Red, Para Blue, Para Yellow||

[rapid pumice]

were too blind to the refrence ? after all this time??

[civic sun]

||or Red Para if you're English RBP||

[autumn turret]

Wtf did they have a sticker in robobot

[civic sun]

yes

[autumn turret]

And they called it Red Para instead of Para Red
I'm going to throttle them

[civic sun]

just the red one though (TDX had Keychain too but they just used 'Para Matter' there anyway)

[autumn turret]

My insane ramblings

[timber plaza]

||para matter if it was flower||

[rapid pumice]

||para matter if it remembered how to attack||

[rapid pumice]

||i misread Sectonia Buds, as Sectonia Bluds
LMFAOOOO 😭 😭💀💀💀||

[timber plaza]

||Its just cool when you can damage enemy with some minions||

[autumn turret]

Yukkuri you're gonna look me in the para-matter-eye and tell me they're not flowers

[timber plaza]

||are they stupid? Yes they’re stupid||

[timber plaza]

Dale

[ruby geode]

DALE

[rapid pumice]

||para matter is a sectonia blud ahh ?||

[civic sun]

(just to show for both lol)

[timber plaza]

I’m not gonna look into your para matter eyes, I only look into Magolor’s eyes

👄

[autumn turret]

||Why is he about to get deadly sunned||

[civic sun]

|| about to become 🍳 ||

[rapid pumice]

omalete

[timber plaza]

He’s so bright

Me when discord light mode at 4am

[rapid pumice]

and smart, too!

||what soul boss attacks are left to reference?||

[true aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-anime-omg-wtf-cant-unsee-gif-5159766

[civic sun]

||actual Drawcia Soul moves? basically none, unless they wanted to reference her version of Teleport more closely I guess (but like, lol)||

[rapid pumice]

||just soul bosses in general, since i know marx is another they like pulling attacks from||

[native mauve]

||yea nah those fucks are 100% flowers||

||wait is Para Matter...HIM||

why am i spoiler marking

[timber plaza]

||Clearly Magolor second form’s Ultra sword is referenced for Kirby’s ultra sword… (no, bad, it’s the opposite, idiot!!!!!!!)||

[timber plaza]

That’s literally Dale

[native mauve]

You heard this here first folks

Para Matter = Dark Mind

That's why Soul of Sectonia has the buds

It's from the mirror

because she looked at it

[civic sun]

||Marx has mostly been referenced too (even outside of him reappearing)||

||think only thing really left to be referenced for him is Arrow Arrow I guess||

[rapid pumice]

||and thats why drawcia has para matter as well, because they say that art is a reflection of the soul||

we've done it. we've solved kirby.

||why is drawcia soul the only one whose attacks have wikirby pages?||

[twin junco]

shes special

[rapid pumice]

||it'd be a nice if there was a page where it laid out every boss attack that has been reused/referenced in other boss fights.||

[junior zealot]

why drawcia has flowers as fucked up minions

[twin junco]

everyones done a still life before

[civic sun]

||Shooter Cutter and Black Hole also have pages, really it's mostly just because they're so reoccuring (though bit of others could probably have pages at this point)||

[junior zealot]

this been said before but its kinda sweet to see people going insane over lore in a positive way rather than having 1020312903 pages of kirby is void discourse like in 2020-22 😭

[broken sapphire]

||neichel is void||

[rapid pumice]

||we've been over this. it all ties back to dimension mirror, duh! /s||

[timber plaza]

||best black hole is RTDL Magolor’s blackhole||

||future poll idea /j||

[rapid pumice]

||going over each of drawcia soul's attacks to figure out which boss used them the best||

[autumn turret]

||Its literally just going to be elfilis every time||

||Like maybe Sectonia wins on Bound Pound and that's it||

[timber plaza]

||New Kirby fans only knows about Elfilis||

JUST LIKE HOW PEOPLE ONLY KNOW SAKURAI FOE THE NEWEST POLL!!!!!

/lh

[autumn turret]

||Elfilis mogs other splash rushes and deadly suns and no one else uses para matter so you're just left with bound pound||

||Unless we're counting shooter cutter even though its a marx attack first||

[timber plaza]

||people will vote for Elfilis regardless||

[autumn turret]

||Though Void and ZEX Elfilis specifically do shooter cutter like drawcia does||

[timber plaza]

派生…

[autumn turret]

||As in just a constant spam of cutter coming out instead of just a simple set at once||

[timber plaza]

||Magolor has better cutting attack called ultra sword smh /j||

Okay but real story
||The best cutter type attack is Lor’s wing boomerang||

[rapid pumice]

||give em some credit. they also know Marx! lol||

[timber plaza]

Who?

[rapid pumice]

||guy who wrote the communist manifesto!||

||im looking at chaos elfilis' wiki page right now, and damn, its so cool how nearly all his attacks are named after space terms.||

[edgy sapphire]

||personally, I think elfilis' splash rush is not that amazing outside of presentation (which I'm sure ppl will vote for that factor anyways) ||

|| it basically turned into a tracking laser attack||

[rapid pumice]

||you guys know how chaos elfilis' title in Ultimate Cup Z EX is initially "species born of chaos" before transforming into "lord of chaos"? apparently that transition is way cooler in original japanese, because according to wikirby, the difference in titles is a single character.||

[edgy sapphire]

||kinda get why tho since the building debris took over its old function for the most part||

[rapid pumice]

||if they wanted to maintain that effect, they probably could have used "species lord of chaos" instead||

[pastel ravine]

|| Astrodee thinks he’s on the team||

[junior zealot]

||coperdeecus is on the team||

[pastel ravine]

|| nah ||

[rapid pumice]

||Gadeeleo||

[steady trench]

How so?

[autumn turret]

Yea its basically just a laser now but like
Splash Rush never should've made it out of Canvas Curse in the first place

It made sense in CC b/c you use your paintbrush to draw shields against it

Why did they put it in the marx soul and soul of sectonia fights its just
Random falling shit you hold guard on

Like I guess for Marx Soul it was like 'well there's a Paint ability in this game' and they thought that would be cool but like
Its not a good attack

[timber plaza]

The annoying voice .mp3

[autumn turret]

Splash Rush is like a bullet hell attack but if it wasn't cool

[edgy sapphire]

Guess so

Got some bias over attacks that can (potentially) hit corners in the 2d games & hoped that they gave it some improvements since the FL one is plain even w/ the new variation

[autumn turret]

||Yea the new var is like
eh whatever||

[edgy sapphire]

Deadly sun got a huge glow up, but I guess it's more of favoritism for that attack by the devs

[autumn turret]

Hitting corners is nice tho yea

[brazen nova]

||Dont you just love it when elfilis decides they want to become the sun||

[autumn turret]

||When I was making pandemonic elfilis I realized I had 0 real ideas for doing something interesting with Splash Roche so I kinda get it||

||I thought of making splash roche like leave hazards on the ground and then I realized I was just making the not-a-laser attack even more like elfilis's laser||

||So like I really dunno what they could do with the concept of Splash Rush
Maybe they could like
Use it to create a slippery floor terrain like Dedede has
Or maybe next time if they bring back the blue and pink paint you have to like
after the ground is painted you have to stand on the right color based on some prompt from the boss or you get damaged idk||

[grave swallow]

UNCOMMON BOMB W

Literally 1 HP left on both sides, a chip would've killed me but I got the final blow

[red mango]

||that reminds me I'm surprised they didn't bring back the ground eruptions that flashbang you||

[autumn turret]

||Would it just work like Dedede's new world ice age but cover the entire field?||

[edgy sapphire]

||When drawica soul used it, there were variations on what direction the paint balls will drop, so they could do something like have it shoot multiple different waves and you have to move accordingly||

||tho, this feels like magolors portal lasers thinking more about it||

||could also do something where the blobs stay on the ground and explode after a second or two. This one might be better for a 3d environment||

[autumn turret]

||Soul of Sectonia had the directions too
The first time she uses it they fall both diagonally left and right but every other time she uses it it'll always come from one direction||

||Honestly actually they could like
do a similar thing to what they did with deadly sun and just introduce another element onto the field for splash rush to interact with
Like you have to create cover against it||

||Or like you have to activate something that washes the painted ground away but don't press the wrong button that pours lava everywhere||

||That's right the 3 button puzzle but as a boss attack ||

[edgy sapphire]

Ah ok, I never stalled in that fight to see it to remember

[broken sapphire]

look at this dog

[timber plaza]

That aren’t dog, that’s horse

[broken sapphire]

lies

[timber plaza]

Horse girl

[broken sapphire]

who

[arctic stone]

Holy fudge umas in kirby

[timber plaza]

Oguri and Kirby would be friends tbh

[arctic stone]

Also urara and kirby

Anyway if i wish to draw shitpost with spoilers, do i post them here?

[edgy sapphire]

As long as it's spoil blocked, yea

[arctic stone]

Lets goooooo

[slim lodge]

if you think abt it seiun sky and king halo are kinda like kirby and dedede..... likes to fish and is a king

[pastel ravine]

So…

Did anyone save all the starries on their first try

[red mango]

no

i mean lets face it i bet a lot of people lost the one where you have to no-damage a galactal right away

||both at alivel mall and at beast pack volcano||

[timber plaza]

||the slight dialogue difference for if you save Starries before defeating Meflilis for the first time or not lol||

||”can you save the remaining Starries” vs “Oh hey you saved em all”||

[slim lodge]

does star guide waddle dee give hints to specific starries you havent saved or more unique dialogue or something of the sort

cus i didnt rlly need to use him the entire game 😭

[timber plaza]

Nah

He’s just there for the gambling

[slim lodge]

zamn well ig he was cute tho

[timber plaza]

He’s cute but he should stop staring directly at the sun

[slim lodge]

OH i didnt mean astronomy waddle dee i meant the one that just holds a crystal

[brazen nova]

star guide is a FRAUD

[slim lodge]

but yeah astronomy waddle dee is super cute but im rlly concerned for his eyes

[timber plaza]

Star guide?

Nah he just shows you which stage has missing Starries

[brazen nova]

for me he only ever gives a code

[slim lodge]

i finished it last night and im still trying to comprehend stuff

[timber plaza]

Yeah guidee does nothing

[slim lodge]

rip

[timber plaza]

When it comes to actual story mode

[slim lodge]

anyways after i asked how to grind for figs i finished it quite easily actually like it didnt even take long

||last track sounds like yoasobi i can imagine ikura singing that fast part LOL||

[timber plaza]

I love how this is the universal thoughts

[slim lodge]

||ive always joked abt magolor being a neichel fan but i never wouldve guessed this would happen. idk what exactly to think of those lyrics but it feels so connected||

[brazen nova]

Certified bum

[lapis reef]

||The mall one I found easy to do by accident because it's specifically about the meteor attack, but yeah the other one took a few tries||

[timber plaza]

||I couldn’t find the 5th flower lol||

[slim lodge]

||i hate the no hit missions cus half the time i was forced to do them (i was bandana waddle dee 😭)||

[lapis reef]

My favorite is that when I defeated the story, they were just... gone lol I thought they had noped out, until I entered a building and came back anyway lol

[timber plaza]

||the final no hit Galactal mission was very nice of them because it’s literally the first few minutes into the stage so you can easily restart if you miss up||

[slim lodge]

yeah i was like WHERED THEY GO??? but then they came back

i rlly like ||waste that counts time cus we were just fucking around and exploring and got all the starries in like the complete wrong order i kinda want something like that where u can just run around and explore no bounds||

||im rlly disappointed on the lack of magolor though like maybe there were some hints towards him but he didnt physically appear. so i cant rlly say i liked the dlc. like all my praises go down the drain because magolor didnt show up. i think its like a 2/10 idk.||

[edgy sapphire]

||o, took me a while to notice, but genwel's Ares spear was left behind during the re-sealing cutscene||

||guess that explains the ZEX cutscene with why chaos elfilis has it now||

[brazen nova]

||they snuck out of the arena for like 2 minutes to snatch ares||

[grave swallow]

Behold, dog!

I'm getting really good I guess because THIS ABILITY SUCKS OMG

56 MINUTES WTF

That's my 20th unique ability!

[hallow gust]

wait chat, did they remove all the times that you got using the hammer glitch in the og arena?

[brazen nova]

No

Interactions with wise dee in the new update still include times done with the glitch

[hallow gust]

what about on the personal leaderboard?

[stuck ether]

The times never matter much since only Wise Waddle Dee recognizes them