[SPOILERS] Star-Crossed World

[obtuse verge]

||Jesus fuck, Toy Hammer still got it||

[edgy sapphire]

o yeah, it's funny that the crash UCZ run has hammer die in the rest area just so mk doesnt do its intro cutscene at the start

using the hammer jump glitch

funny moment in arena history

[autumn turret]

Mfs really said "I could be hitting you with full charge hammer flip on frame 1"

[edgy sapphire]

and now we can in ZEX

[obtuse verge]

||this is so fucking funny, Meteonelfilis is fucking destroyed by Toy Hammer||

[lapis reef]

||Everything is though||

[autumn turret]

||The real funny part is he never gets to transition to his phase 2 theme||

[obtuse verge]

||HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ATTACKING CHAOS ELFILIS DURING THE BLACK HOLE ATTACK||

[autumn turret]

||Chaos Elfilis has a hitbox during black hole||

[obtuse verge]

||WTF||

[autumn turret]

||That's honestly what makes Chaos Elfilis' black hole so great compared to previous black holes
It makes the player want to greed the attack and so they get sucked in||

[obtuse verge]

||BRO THE MUSIC IN THE SECOND PHASE DID NOT EVEN START BECAUSE OF TOY HAMMER, IT WAS "THE DREAM DISCOVERIES TOUR!" ALL OVER AGAIN||

[edgy sapphire]

you can even do a fully charged hammer flip against it if you do it early enough & time it well

[heady quiver]

This is still true but I did just get a much better ucz time

[arctic stone]

Soo
||Theres a species of space wolpentingers of somekind? Who the f is genwel||

||i just want to draw genwel and fecto doing dumb brother stuff ||

[true path]

||Genwel Meteonelfilis has a little friend on his head.||

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/friend-inside-me-toby-fox-woody-toy-story-deltarune-gif-9231829624306389324

[keen acorn]

guys I just thought of a theory

what if ||the like, what do you call it, “zones” where it’s like crystallized are actually just 3d portals into an alternate dimension where everything is like that? It would explain why there’s a ripple effect every time you enter/exit one||

what do we think

[keen acorn]

…you can get back to me on that lol

[autumn turret]

ZEX ||oh hey funny song name reference||

[pastel ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[timber plaza]

Gonna post this here as well, we found out who made sign mouth, and how sign mouth was originally supposed to be a sled mouth because they imagery was for sliding through snowy/icy fields

https://x.com/hal_laboratory/status/1963802971093053943?s=46

株式会社ハル研究所 (@HAL_Laboratory)

＼ハル研ブログ　新記事掲載！／

8月28日に発売された『星のカービィ ディスカバリー Nintendo Switch 2 Edition + スターリーワールド』のキャラクターアーティストが、その仕事を紹介しています。ぜひご覧ください。
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X · Sep 5, 2025, 3:14 AM

[autumn turret]

Ah so sign mouth spins b/c it was supposed to be like a snowboarder doing a trick

🛷

[timber plaza]

Pretty much! It’s a great read

[light quail]

oh sled woulda been really cute. But i guess the shape was a little awkward and the object made it hard to shove into any world outside of 4

But cute

[autumn turret]

It sounds to me they always intended 'it works like a sled but isn't a sled b/c that's too direct'

So probably like how kirby inhales a ring to blow wind and not like
A fan

[light quail]

Makes sense honestly

[timber plaza]

It’s also less awkward to make them fit, like how sign would’ve fit better because you see them often in a random place in city as well

You don’t always see sled everywhere

In middle of town

[light quail]

Yeah real - gotta think of objects that could realistically show up where you want them to
with an urban theming you can put all the City Stuff objects everywhere

[timber plaza]

||which worked well because it showed up in other place as well that’s not just snow themed stage in the end. Like how ring mouth are often being used because they’re fallen name sign thingy with O||

[broken sapphire]

chair
i want chair kirby

[twin junco]

what would he do

[broken sapphire]

chair

🪑

[timber plaza]

He just sits

[hollow vigil]

instead of falling forwards or to the sides like STAIR mouthful, CHAIR mouthful only falls backwards, from playing around at the table too much and leaning too far back

[light quail]

chair kirby and you move around on the ground with it like this old flash game

[hollow vigil]

also idling causes npcs to sit on u

[timber plaza]

Oh my god I remember this game

I was playing it at work

[hollow vigil]

bloxorz?

[light quail]

BASED omg

[karmic pebble]

but EVERYTHING is destroyed by toy hammer

[obtuse verge]

Now the real question is if Toy Hammer can solo the entirety of Solo Leveling

[karmic pebble]

are you kidding me???

toy hammer obviously solos

[grave swallow]

I really don't see what other base ability besides hammer I'm going to be doing UCZEX with

Sword? I haven't even solved it with meta knight sword. Fire? Volcano fire is great but base fire is pretty horrible. Ice? That'd take over an hour. Ranger? About the same.

[autumn turret]

ZEX ||Wtf when I saw this line in English I was so convinced it would be a translation error referring to both Kirby and the bosses but it's not||

||Like I was expecting it to only be referring to Kirby but no they're specifically referring to the bosses huh||

MFW I just realize the reason I've been seeing so few SCW streams on twitch is b/c FL NS2E SCW is a different category from base FL

I realized that was a thing instantly on youtube but I think twitch took a day or two to implement it so I just never realized

[icy tapir]

||Oh so its also canon to them that they fight Kirby and acknowledge it||

[autumn turret]

Also wow like

JP players do NOT click retry

Its like
After seeing and realizing it its like
Yea that makes a lot of sense

But I never really thought about it before

ZEX ||Jesus Christ getting hit when crystalized by Chaos Elfilis is so zexy it does so much fucking damage||

[chrome vigil]

||Haven’t played it yet but would you guys say it is easier than Void or harder than Void?||

||From what I am seeing Chaos Elfilis seems harder than Void||

[quartz oriole]

||in my experience nope it is NOT harder than void||

||i maybe gotta do UCZEX again but Chaos Elfilis EX wasnt hard||

||Morpho and Forgo DDD on the other hand😭 ||

[chrome vigil]

||They have a name! Don’t disrespect their status!||

||”God of Chaos: Chaos Elfilis” Say it right!||

[true path]

||Chaos Elfilis (Lord of chaos) actually does the other fireball of species born of chaos Chaos Elfilis too. You probably already knew this, but I didn't until watching the boss fight several times.||

||I swear lord of chaos keeps pulling out new moves whenver I watch it.||

[autumn turret]

||Speaking of that I've been wondering for days whether you needed to hover for the staircase version and I finally saw that you don't||

||You can still just stand on the tallest point they give you without hovering and it will pass under||

[chrome vigil]

||Also can I just say that God of Chaos: Chaos Elfilis is probably a new high in terms of Kirby powerscaling?||

||Bro has the power of the Ultimate Lifeform, Morpho Knight (Death Itself) and the Starries! Which are so powerful that they can seal away people like Galacta Knight, the strongest warrior in the galaxy with relative ease||

||If we don’t count void as like multiversal and all then this is probably a new peak||

[terse swan]

||Don't forget the sacrifices to keep them alive||

[chrome vigil]

Hm?

[terse swan]

||to be stable without their proper full self nor their on life support weaker form they had before and do not wish to ever come back to||

[chrome vigil]

||I mean yeah but even without Elfilin, Fecto Forgo is still capable of manipulating and full on controlling people on the whole planet||

||And it was able to manipulate Leaongar’s soul and basically break it apart||

[terse swan]

||well that were the only power they still possessed left||

[chrome vigil]

||Oh and let’s not forget forgo dreams|||

[terse swan]

||powerful yet in a weak body||

[terse swan]

||those animals they...||

[chrome vigil]

||A full on pocket dimension made of the thought of Forgo. He made a full on pocket dimension WITH HIS THOUGHTS||

[terse swan]

||they never came back...||

[chrome vigil]

||OH I get what you’re saying||

||Yeah that too||

[terse swan]

||they were the ones to pay the price instead of them ||

||always manipulating others around them for their own survival||

[chrome vigil]

||So yeah the God of Chaos who has:

Power of the Ultimate Lifeform with all the psychic power +
Powers from their eldest brother and with it even more power +
Power of many other souls trapped in its body +
Power of Morpho Knight (aka death itself) +
And the Power of the Starries which are a whole can of worms themselves||

[quartz oriole]

||I played on spanish duh i can't even remember the spanish name ||

[chrome vigil]

Probably a new height

[terse swan]

||they do not care for anyone when their soul purpose in life is to destroy life itself||

||nature against nature yet despite being just a part of a cycle||

||yet Elfilin counteracts the species of Elfilis as a whole||

[true path]

In terms of how hard it pulls.

Becausr I feel like it doesn't pull as hard as say Magolor or Magolor Soul's black hole or Star Dream's inhale.

[timber plaza]

||both version??||

If you’re talking about ||UCZEX Elfilis, please spoiler tag this message||

Meow YOUD ELETED THE MESSAGE NOW THE REPLY IS GONE-

/lh

[true path]

||Chaos Elfilis doesn't suck as hard as other blackholes I feel.||

[light quail]

IT WASN'T ME

[light quail]

chaos forces you to run at least
magolor's can be walked from which is funny

[timber plaza]

Every deleted message is your fault now

[terse swan]

and marx's

[true path]

What about Star Dream's inhale?

[timber plaza]

Okay but double blackhole solos

I wanna jump in there irl

[terse swan]

||how about 3?||

[timber plaza]

I’m a Magolor Soul bias user

I will only vote yes for Magolor

[terse swan]

||what if Magolor can do 3?||

[timber plaza]

But visual wise Magolor is still the best lol

[native mauve]

Magolor

[timber plaza]

Like

LOOK AT HIS HANDS

THAT HANDS

THE MOVEMENT

IM GOING TO

UGHHHHHHHHHH

I WANNA HOLD THAT HANDS

Back in 2011, I would copy his hands animation and my fav was blackhole

[terse swan]

summoning with hands...

[timber plaza]

It’s so peak

I just love how well the animations for his hands are like

[light quail]

Would be peak

[terse swan]

the original blackhole is just

meh

[timber plaza]

Remember when we discussed about best blackhole for like 2 hours in vc

Good time

[terse swan]

it's a hole that's about it

[light quail]

Real!!
Marx's is still top tier

[true path]

Sphere doomer black holes.

[autumn turret]

||I mean black hole suction is hard to compare with FL since like its harder to walk than run in FL and not like a bit harder but massively harder||

[terse swan]

it doesn't even try to pull you in

other than the middle where you should just avoid

[autumn turret]

SSU Marx black hole is just a large grab hitbox
It doesn't suck and you can't escape it if you're in range

[terse swan]

at least Magolor tried more to pull you in

[timber plaza]

We can no longer be friends /j

[light quail]

||makes sense yeah - new axis being introduced is gonna make designing around it different||

[true path]

Whispy and Star Dream inhale.

[light quail]

Magolor is still up there!!

[timber plaza]

No

[true path]

Morpho Knight's sword vacuums.

[autumn turret]

Magolor's black hole is great since it destroys your ability if you get pulled in, Chaos's is great b/c he is the black hole so he makes players want to greed the black hole and attack during it which gets them sucked in
Install Hole also does that now that I think about it

[true path]

For some reason Dedede can't inhale when he's a playable character, and I don't get it.

[autumn turret]

Meanwhile Void's Itadakimasu SUCKS ASS laugh at this idiot

[chrome vigil]

That would actually be kinda cool if he could

[timber plaza]

He’s just munching </3

[true path]

Dedede can shoot lasers from his hammer according to Triple Deluxe.

[chrome vigil]

He can shoot lightning from his hands

[true path]

Where?

[chrome vigil]

Kirby Pinball Land

[timber plaza]

Pinball

[terse swan]

Land

[timber plaza]

Peak dedede attack

[true path]

Oh ok.

[timber plaza]

Waluigi

Pinball

[terse swan]

[timber plaza]

Forgotten Land

MAGOLOR

[chrome vigil]

[light quail]

Black hole so bad it didn't make it over to astral </3

[timber plaza]

It’s a cute attack

[true path]

Why would you ever use Spear Kirby instead of Bandana Waddle Dee in Return to Dreamland Deluxe Arena?

[terse swan]

the bad magolor soul

[timber plaza]

I mean no one uses spear but Kirby receives a buff in his copy ability

[chrome vigil]

Magolor Soul if HAL had a collective meltdown

[true path]

I know each of the playable characters in RTDLDX have different amount of health.

[terse swan]

HAL should put Magolor Soul into Clash 4 just to spite Yukkuri not 7

[timber plaza]

What do you mean not 7

[chrome vigil]

Dedede probably having the most because he’s Thick

[timber plaza]

Dedede always are the tanker

[autumn turret]

Isnt there a user here with the nick yukkuri not 7

[true path]

I think he does.

[timber plaza]

Dedede has most health yes

[autumn turret]

or maybe it was just yukkuri7

[timber plaza]

He’s also top tier

[chrome vigil]

Makes sense

[chrome vigil]

He’s he’s hammer but better

[light quail]

yukkuri67

[true path]

I just don't get why you would choose spear Kirby instead of bandee for arena runs.

[timber plaza]

Yukkuri86

[terse swan]

there's 7 yukkuris in here

[chrome vigil]

He has a hammer throw that doesn’t delete the Ability, the Dedede Jump, the head slide

[true path]

But I think he does less damage.

[timber plaza]

More damage per hit, that’s about it

[autumn turret]

only in the wii version

[timber plaza]

I mean no one literally does speedrun with Bandee lol

Because people know he is unfortunately trash tier

[autumn turret]

They did Bandee so dirty in RtDL DX

Useless mf 😭

[timber plaza]

At least he kept his ground thrust

[chrome vigil]

I mean he has the ground thrust

[timber plaza]

Bandee when the only iframe he has is 2frame + ground thrust

[true path]

Oh really? OK. That makes sense, actually. Otherwise bandee would just be a direct upgrade apart from spear Kirby apart from maybe health.

Because bandee has a horizontal i-frame dash move.

[terse swan]

I haven't played Bandee so I won't know

[light quail]

I'm pinging gigi

[timber plaza]

I’m sorry meow but it’s a truth

[chrome vigil]

Can we just agree that Spear is like more boring sword?

[timber plaza]

Bandee was fine in KSA for the elements but

[chrome vigil]

Like for Kirby?

[timber plaza]

Bandee in FL and RTDLDX is literally trash tier

[light quail]

Sadly real...
WHY did they remove his moon drop i-frames (I'll never get over it it's so Dumb it's a GROUND POUND BRO)

[chrome vigil]

I like Bandee as much as the next guy but like…

Spear sucks

Staff is a much better Ability imo

[timber plaza]

Staff is very very good

[autumn turret]

RtDL reverting some attacks to Wii properties b/c it'll be really funny:

[timber plaza]

It is very funny

[light quail]

Sadly their thought process </3

[chrome vigil]

I said it would be top tier is they put it into a Kirby fighters game

[true path]

I have a weird issue where whenever I try to do a dash move, it sometimes does an up move.

[chrome vigil]

Then Kirby Fighters 2 came out

[light quail]

But hammer? Nope get pranked You're getting star allies hammer flip

[chrome vigil]

And it was top tier

Go figure

[true path]

Anyone else get this?

[timber plaza]

KSA sizzle and bluster staff is very good
But than sizzle and bluster in general are top tier

Thank you Magolor for providing both of them

[chrome vigil]

Bluster? Bluster is kinda meh

For staff

[timber plaza]

Bluster is actually the strongest 😭

[chrome vigil]

FOR STAFF

[autumn turret]

Bluster is either the best or worst element for any given ability

[chrome vigil]

Like I think spark is better

Or Splash

[light quail]

Bluster staff twirl goes wheeeer

[timber plaza]

I love bluster staff it’s so fun

[chrome vigil]

Also it barely hits…

Like the last hit of Bluster Staff is really bad

[timber plaza]

I’m a bluster truther all the way

[light quail]

Oh the jab feels bad yeah. I assume the down up b is what people use for damage but I'm not sure

[timber plaza]

This is because Magolor surge but it’s my bias

[chrome vigil]

That is a thing I didn’t think I would hear today

[timber plaza]

Bluster bomb says otherwise

[chrome vigil]

Even that one is worse with bluster

[light quail]

I'll confess I could never get bluster bomb to work

[chrome vigil]

Because of just goes away instead of staying

[timber plaza]

Bluster bomb is so satisfying 😭

[chrome vigil]

So you can chain it as easily

[timber plaza]

Once you get the hang of it it’s the best…

[light quail]

I would try it and maybe get a couple booms but couldn't chain if like they do lol

[chrome vigil]

Oh it has a funny glitch that lets you destroy bosses

[timber plaza]

Bluster Dedede is also top tier

[chrome vigil]

Really funny

I think it’s TAS only though

[timber plaza]

There is no switch TAS

[chrome vigil]

There isn’t?

Well then I guess it isn’t?

Oh also!

Ninja any element

I love that the petal attack changed in what kind of flower it uses depending on the element

[timber plaza]

Bluster bomb are just simply highest dps in general

Taranza would never (even tho his burst is the strongest attack)

[chrome vigil]

Genuinely a nice touch

[chrome vigil]

Wait huh?

You mean Pop-Off?

[timber plaza]

Pop off?

[chrome vigil]

Isn’t that the move name?

[timber plaza]

Taranza burst?

[chrome vigil]

Where he makes the explosion form his body?

[timber plaza]

I don’t play the game in English but pretty sure it’s called Taranza burst for English as well

[chrome vigil]

Oh okay no I see

Pop Off is the name of the web release

When you like hold b and then let go

That’s called Pop Off

Which is pretty funny

https://tenor.com/view/live-taranza-reaction-kirby-laugh-laughing-sad-gif-223585605386409348

[elfin lance]

great comment

[true path]

What are examples of really cool boss attacks in Kirby that people don't get to see because the boss dies before it?

[elfin lance]

feels like it was written by one of u

[timber plaza]

Probably best to ask in #kirby-kingdom

[true path]

||Genwel Meteonelfilis phase 3 drops giant rocks with shockwaves.||

[autumn turret]

||But both those songs served the same purpose???||

||One was like 'the world is fucking ending lol' and the other was 'we should leave b/c of that'||

[humble yarrow]

||AAaAaaNnnDdD HEeeErREee WwweEE ARrEEe!!4!4!4!!||

[terse swan]

congrats you found him

[humble yarrow]

||Also, finally done them all, and that BEFORE the boss||

[terse swan]

even though he was here all along

[autumn turret]

||God of all the modding things I wish I could do to SCW
One simple thing is like... I kinda wanna just switch elfilis and genwel's models just to see how cursed it would look||

||Actually now that I said that... Has anyone ever even done that with Meta and Morpho
I feel like I've never seen one do that for funsies||

||Lowkey people seeing the Roche Sphere and being like 'oh that's dark matter' is like the equivalent of people seeing Dark Beast Ganon in BotW and going 'oh that must be a reference to the A Link to the Past ganon design'||

[chrome vigil]

||It has the same texture as Void Termina though||

||I didn’t say it’s dark matter but that it is Void Termina 2||

[ruby geode]

being a bandee fan is hard

[patent sluice]

but being a kirby fan is so easy

god giveth and god taketh

[heady quiver]

real bandee fans play the character despite the hardship

[true aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[heady quiver]

so true

[stiff pollen]

||Final Boss theme has been stuck in my head for the past week and I can't stop humming it and it keeps playing in my head||

[true aurora]

||Genuinely I think SCW's final boss theme is like||
||My favorite now||
||No contest||

||Especially the second phase cause omg||

[icy tapir]

UCZEX ||I love that SCW brought back the heavy metal aspect of KSSU true arena||

[timber plaza]

||Ando wins||

[true aurora]

||Main melody is so good||

[true aurora]

||SAME||

[icy tapir]

||Ultimate Extra Stars|| is such a castlevania track

it reminds me of this specifically || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxZMrEyjMsg ||

and this one || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAYvOIEDYZg ||

[ruby geode]

wikirby japanese translation notes for twinkling star showers

anyone has anything else to add (it's either way fun to see)

wait I feel there is something else

ok yeah ||the funny specific 星羅 is noted here||

[junior zealot]

||magolor when he asked lor-chel to sing something||

[ruby geode]

😭

LOL

[true aurora]

||I swear to god because of that stupid theory I can never see the Lor the same way again lmao||

[junior zealot]

same

[true aurora]

||Like everytime I see that stupid ship now I go "oh hey look there’s Neichel!" and it’s driving me crazy lol||

[junior zealot]

||this is how we get lor singing in the next game||

[timber plaza]

OF COURSE

[true aurora]

||Like how do you think she was feeling here? Did it hurt? Was she asleep?||

[icy tapir]

||she probably hates magolor rn||

[timber plaza]

||Bald Neichel <3||

[junior zealot]

||i never stopped and thought about the scale of this thing relative to characters. like goddamn they are tiny in comparison to the ship||

[true aurora]

||Bugs when you lift up a rock…||

[true aurora]

||Yeah ngl she probably mad af for this lol||

[junior zealot]

||.........merry magoland could be how lor forgave magolor...||

[timber plaza]

||Magolor is so lucky he got to live with a boat, wish that was me||

[true aurora]

||Oh true!||

[timber plaza]

||Why is the mecha, machine, etc looking character like Lor, Star Dream, Nova etc look so edible and delicious||

[icy tapir]

still kind of insane that ||the four point star is on the mast but instead of being in front of the vortex its behind it...||

[velvet moss]

||i want to post the sticker.||

[hollow vigil]

||Yes that is how boarding a ship is||

[junior zealot]

||thats not the point, we just rarely see lor in actual full scale like this lol||

[stiff pollen]

Final Boss ||That one part of the theme really got me like this||

[true aurora]

||SO TRUE||

[junior zealot]

literally ando at his best

||i was ruminating on this and it might be my favorite final boss theme since moonstruck blossom||

[true aurora]

||Genuinely the Elfilis Siblings are like||
||My favorite antagonists now||
||They contrast each other so well||

[junior zealot]

||i always thought that fecto is the best kirby villain and they got even better with time 😭 ||

[stiff pollen]

||Even better if you put Chaos Elfilis and Meteonelfilis side by side. The red and blue godliness is just peak||

||Also I love the difference in Meteonelfilis' attacks an animations. Much more aggressive and physical||

[junior zealot]

also pls someone pin this im obsessed with this edit 😭

[junior zealot]

||yeah, fecto tries to be graceful until he loses his shit and just yanks entire planet at kirby, while with genwel its on sight||

[true aurora]

||Love how petty the both of them are, Elfilis is literally dying on the spot but uses what they have left to kill everyone on both worlds, and Mefilis is reduced to a core and still tries to put up one last fight||

[junior zealot]

||i also like elfilis for the fact that kirby was merely an obstacle in their way but since said obstacle dared to beat them they decided that they are arch-enemies now||

||like say what you will about other kirby bosses but none of them tried to throw kirby's HOME PLANET at him||

||like its not just kirby will die, everything and everyone he knows and loves will die||

[stiff pollen]

||Elfilin: We did it Kirby! We saved all the Starries!||
||The Starries trapped in the Ares spear left at Fallen-Star Volcano:||

[true aurora]

||I think my favorite villains are ones that try to make themselves archenemies out of the main characters despite having just met||
||Void Kong reminds me of this too cause after his first fight he just decides it's on with DK like he's some big shot. Both end up getting beaten in the most humiliating way possible too|| (Bananza spoilers)

[civic sun]

||then Forgo became a Soul anyway and still proceeded to try to do more evil shit||

||bitch will not give up||

[twin junco]

||is elfilis being able to turn into chaos elfilis a special case or could genwel do that too in theory||

[civic sun]

||probably if put under similar conditions||

[junior zealot]

||i love that too. like bro did not give up, kept coming back. ||

honestly this alone proves that there is potential for more direct sequels in this series because i think everyone can agree elfilis is a stronger character for their returns in the post-game

[twin junco]

morpho was not having that

[pastel ravine]

|| He thought he'd defeat Kirby on the first try. He mad!||

[civic sun]

||like if it could get Morpho at least (and maybe some more other stuff) lol||

[junior zealot]

but it obviously wouldnt work for every bad guy to come back unscathed in the post-game

[terse swan]

||well there's the possiblity that there are other elfilis out there soaring through the galaxy||

[junior zealot]

||its all but confirmed||

||i think this is not the last we're seeing of the elfilis clan||

[terse swan]

||why stop at just 2 lol||

[civic sun]

||I mostly want to see Meteonelfilin.....||

[junior zealot]

||i kinda want to see what their planet is like tbh||

[terse swan]

||you can by going back to Star Crossed World every single time ||

[junior zealot]

||probably something fucked up||

[civic sun]

||or planets, sounds like it's a binary star||

[civic sun]

||that's Meteonelfilis, not the kindness within||

[junior zealot]

||BTW IM SO HAPPY TO BE PROVEN RIGHT THEY DID REVISIT THE ELFILIS SPECIES AND GAVE US MORE LORE ON THEM !!!!||

people were calling me a FOOL.

[twin junco]

||its actually really chill but those two are rascals||

[junior zealot]

but i was RIGHT

[true aurora]

||Commentator Dee: "Uh oh! Another mysterious portal has appeared in the Colosseum! I better find Kirby and see if he can stop this! Cause I’m sure we can EXpect a lot of difficult battles in there!"||

||The Starries who failed to escape and the Galactals getting jumbled into whatever souls Elfilis has inside of them:||

[pastel ravine]

|| wait, do you think Elfilin has memories of Elfilis's home planet||

[junior zealot]

what is this video 😭

[junior zealot]

||if he has, they are probably not that great||

||he only recently started recollecting some of the memories elfilis had||

[terse swan]

|| not after throwing that building around at us that's what||

[broken sapphire]

crazy how beating forgotten land now gives you like 5 different sidequests to do lol

[terse swan]

||mighty postgame yum||

[broken sapphire]

there's new figures, but also there's a new colosseum cup, but also you can upgrade your abilities, but also we gotta save the starries, but also carol noticed a cool portal

[junior zealot]

i can only hope next game will be similar to that lol

[broken sapphire]

true

[pastel ravine]

damn, how'd carol get in the new world

[broken sapphire]

wdym

[civic sun]

really just the usual Kirby game, but more obvious/connected this time

[twin junco]

forgotten land dark fountain

[terse swan]

carol is a native

[broken sapphire]

mostly because you get like a bajillion cutscenes every time you re-enter waddle dee town lol

[terse swan]

damn how'd hardhat get in the new world

[civic sun]

don't forget the Treasure Roads (unless you're counting it as 'upgrade abilities' part)

[broken sapphire]

nah the new treasure road is only after you get masked hammer

which i just got as im typing this

[civic sun]

ah I missed the beating part

[pastel ravine]

who's hardhat

[broken sapphire]

yeah lol

[junior zealot]

well yeah the amount of extra content is closer to that of 2d game now but i think it stands a bit more because quite a bit more of it is original and continues the story instead of remixing it

i hope they will keep up this approach

[civic sun]

yeah

[junior zealot]

its closer to how modern mario post-games work i guess, where there are more new levels and such

always enjoyed that in them

[terse swan]

you

[pastel ravine]

Yeah, fl has a lot of postgame content now huh

[terse swan]

it has the best postgame content now

[pastel ravine]

you've got me confused for someone else

[broken sapphire]

wow i forgot how crazy the masked hammer treasure is

wow i only got the target time by 1.89 seconds

[terse swan]

And I think I can say that with a straight face

[junior zealot]

tbh rtdx offers a good competition

[broken sapphire]

time for redgar and the ||objectively kirby air ride-sounding music because it was made by a kirby air ride composer||

[junior zealot]

but while kirby always had solid to great post-game content

HAL been getting increasingly better at it

[terse swan]

after all it's all part of one entire game instead of a menu screen

[pastel ravine]

the future of kirby is looking bright

[terse swan]

so it's smoothly integrated into the experience

[broken sapphire]

||huh apparently shogo sakai also worked on a bunch of other games but we don't know which tracks he composed because they're almost all games without colored music notes ||

[terse swan]

||Magma Flows 2!!!||

[broken sapphire]

how did i not know masked hammer's fire tornadoes home in on enemies
that's literally what they do in the forgo dedede boss fight but to kirby

[terse swan]

||that was me the first time I heard it||

||sure there's Moonlight Canyon but it feels accidental, here it's on purpose||

[broken sapphire]

"oh man i still don't have the second mission i and just got another one, that's probably the thir- on nevermind i didn't miss any"
i think i've had this exact reaction on both playthroughs of stage 11

[terse swan]

just part of the Daily Kirby conquest

needs to expand into the wider world to do so

step by step

including 🗾

[broken sapphire]

||oh shit this one part of crystal beast pack volcano battle is referenced in sing of radiant theia||

what are these names man

[warm osprey]

||I wonder what Prince Fluff’s reaction would be if he found out that Taranza was a prince

I think bro would be flabbergasted||

[broken sapphire]

why is that spoiler tagged

[warm osprey]

||song name||

[broken sapphire]

oh right lol

why does dropping the ice ability also unfreeze mid-bosses smh

and all missions in the final stage complete first try

final boss ||yeah i still have no clue how to dodge the laser LOL||

[stuck ether]

Perhaps the act of dodging itself should be avoided

[broken sapphire]

i really love how ||long, fast, and genuinely pretty difficult the final boss is||

oh what the fuck i died?

that didn't even happen on my first playthrough

that's kinda anti climactic i didn't even know i was on low health

||back to phase 2 i guess 😭 ||

final boss ||oh my god wait why is it RGB colored||

||seriously kirby final bosses are starting to reference other kirby final boss so extremely often that i don't even know what to make of it anymore||

[terse swan]

||I thought that was only me who saw the connection, glad I'm wrong||

[broken sapphire]

||is it just references for the sake of referencing? are there actual connections? is every final boss somehow connected? is kumazaki personally doing this just to troll everyone?||

[terse swan]

||I just never bothered to say it here because I thought someone already did ||

[broken sapphire]

||why did the starries get to escape after being absorbed by an elfilis but not the beast pack members
this isn't fair smh||

[terse swan]

also rhv

[broken sapphire]

that's me!

[terse swan]

this

[broken sapphire]

OH SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT

[broken sapphire]

repeat of this message

[lapis reef]

Even if ||stuff is intentionally connected for lore ,Kuma being a giant troll is still very much true.||

[broken sapphire]

[timber plaza]

||Kumazaki is secretly attempting a ritual to bring back Shimomura||

[broken sapphire]

LMAO WIKIRBY JUST RANDOMLY HAS AN UNDERTALE REFERENCE

well not randomly but you get what i mean

[broken sapphire]

wow it sure is convenient that a warp star appeared right as kirby and elfilin got sucked into forgo dreams

[civic sun]

||some of the crystal effects also have similar colors, but they use purple instead of yellow here (though can't see that part in your pic)||

[broken sapphire]

thank you elfilin for telling me i got all the pieces of leon's soul
perfect quality of life mechanic

[civic sun]

||updating part of my old thing slightly just so you can see (also with Chaos Elfilis defeat animation for comparison)||

||really part of them using RGB specifically is probably just it being the primary colors of light and all||

||though purple at the end is weird||

||guess for darkness or something?||

[broken sapphire]

fair

[civic sun]

||oh right RGB is also the colors for when the meteor breaks||

[broken sapphire]

spoiler

[worn jay]

These are the guys ||that sealed Galacta Knight||

[broken sapphire]

yeah most likely

[timber plaza]

Not me almost throwing up while watching few theory videos on SCW because I got so excited and so on

[terse swan]

||well they could imply to be several other crystals that isn't just the ones for Galacta Knight or the Jamba Heart acting as another seal||

||or the meteors from RTDL, Kirby Clash||

[lapis reef]

||The FIVE heros of yore?!?!|| (/silly if not obvious)

[broken sapphire]

i learned a bit ago that constantly dodging with ice is the faster than ice skating in water

and also like faster than regular constant dodging which is faster than normal swimming

[terse swan]

||could perhaps further explain why the crystal was so powerful to help destroy the matters most dark other than it can funny light lasers mystery||

[pastel ravine]

Are you alright

[broken sapphire]

i kinda wanna know what the theory is now

[lapis reef]

Poor Kirby is gonna get motion sick

[pastel ravine]

he'll be fine, right

it's not like he hasn't been dodging for the whole game

[lapis reef]

He's gonna do this
http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/comic/sick/

[pastel ravine]

hey brawlinthefamily mentioned

[lapis reef]

It's a classic for a reason. I'm impatiently waiting for my Kickstarter physical book so I can stop relying on a website that's slowly crumbling into non-functional

[broken sapphire]

WHY CAN I NOT BACKTRACK ANYMORE AFTER I MISSED A SOUL PIECE IN THE FAST FLOWING WATER WORK SECTION OF FORGO BAY

THAT'S BS

THE ELFILIN DIALOGUE EXISTS SPECIFICALLY TO TELL YOU THAT YOU GOT EVERYTHING IN A ROOM MEANING IF YOU DIDN'T YOU CAN JUST GO BACK AND RE-CHECK THE WHOLE ROOM BUT NOW I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S AN ARBITRARY INVISIBLE WALL

i'm suing hal

[stuck ether]

Ok so yeah, investing in 600 seconds of power and speed did shave a whole minute off of time for UCZex

[UCZex Time Score]

IDK if posting the end-screen of UCZex is spoiler tag worthy, but gotta do it anyways right?

[UCZex Boss]
Ok so yeah he got some CRAZY counter opportunities here

[civic sun]

||oh I see there's another mention of Kirby of the stars here lol||

||how many is that in English SCW now? 5?||

[broken sapphire]

i really like the end of plundering beast battle where it goes PAH PAH PAH PAH PAH PAH PAH PAH PAH

[edgy sapphire]

||for the 2nd phase upper Calibur, you can simply just stand and wait until phantom mk moves behind Kirby for you to counter attack by jumping and doing a hammer flip or giant swing ||

That attack still can't hit you in the air plus he moves close by

[stuck ether]

Man, that attack sure does love diversion... welp I know its secret now!

[broken sapphire]

wow the game really does give you crash right before the phantom clawroline fight in forgo dreams huh

i love waving to bosses whenever i time crash them

[stuck ether]

Anyways what would be the theoretical fastest time for UCZex?

||I've noticed that, at least with what I used to get the recent time, it takes around 20 seconds to defeat a single HP bar. So for the first 8 bosses, you should have done them in around 2.6-ish minutes. The final 4 bosses have double HP bars, which theoretically means that to beat those, it would also take 2.6-ish minutes. So in total, a theoretical fastest time for UCZex could be 5.3 minutes + Whatever minutes were spent dodging some of Chaos Elfilis' attacks||

[broken sapphire]

wow a vending machine just breaks if you spit it out while it has 0 cans left lol

[stuck ether]

[SCW Final Boss Mention + UCZex]
||I think it and Genwel Meteonelfilis are the only bosses in a Toy Hammer Run who have long attacks that make them invulnerable to damage||

||I would bring up Phantom Gorimondo, but I think if you're risky you could probably hurt him during the spin attack...||

[grand valve]

Staff is one of the worst characters in KF2 lol

[chrome vigil]

It is? Last tier list I saw it seemed top tier

[grand valve]

No its omega bottom tier

like probably the worst or second worst in the game

It has bad frame data and only wins one or two matchups

ur probably thinking of this tier list by Delzethin when the game had just came out which had it as top tier

[pastel ravine]

Magolor on top, as he should be

[broken sapphire]

i love how the final forgo dreams stage is straight up just called "forgotten land" in japanese

makes me wonder when they came up with the english title of the game

[ruby geode]

I was going to say we know that but we don't exactly oops

[broken sapphire]

what

oh you mean when they made the english title

https://tenor.com/view/leongar-kirby-kirby-and-the-forgotten-land-bandee-elfilin-gif-25607694

top 10 kirby moment

oh man, i sure do wonder why this "possessed beast" is doing evil stuff. i have a suspicious he might be possessed

[twin junco]

https://tenor.com/view/leongar-kirby-kirby-and-the-forgotten-land-elfilin-we-do-a-little-trolling-gif-25773149

[ruby geode]

though this implies they named it "forgotten land" before "discovery"

[broken sapphire]

Since this is a new Kirby,

[ruby geode]

he actually words it like that yeah

[broken sapphire]

"it says "New World Discovery" because it is the discovery of a new world."

https://tenor.com/view/think-bro-gif-22403438

[ruby geode]

I can't recall if new kirby or new hoshi no kirby

now I'm curious

time to find my 3 year old transcriptions

[broken sapphire]

[cloud olive]

me when i need to reach the minimum word count on my assignment:

[ruby geode]

one of the quirks of translating 😭

half of this is kuma though LOL

😭

the original

[broken sapphire]

FUCKING SOUL FORGO TELEPORTED IN FRONT OF ME AND INTERRUPTED MY SLIDE KICK RIGHT BEFORE EXPLODING LMAO

[pastel ravine]

the grass is green, yes, green grass that is the color green. green greens.

[ruby geode]

yeah he just says "new kirby"

[broken sapphire]

that fucking bird butterfly that i hate

[pastel ravine]

NEW!

[broken sapphire]

i love it when the music perfectly ends right as i beat a boss

i forgot how cute the forgo dreams ending cutscene is

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[pastel ravine]

where did astrodee get that

[lapis reef]

Made it

[pastel ravine]

he's talented

[broken sapphire]

astronomer waddle dee is canonically a kirby lore fan and that makes me happy

[pastel ravine]

I bet he knows about void

[broken sapphire]

i only have 6/56 figures of volume 3 😭😭😭😭😭

[light quail]

||was about to say there's HOW many volumes until i realized you're playing base game again lol||

[broken sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSwwTFXZGGY rtgame video just dropped

[keen garnet]

Oh hey i was just watching that

[onyx holly]

Nightmare?

[cloud olive]

erm it's Kirby and the Forgotten Land - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition + Star-Crossed World!

[grave swallow]

What are the best tier 2 abilities for UCZEX besides hammer, fire, and ranger

Start rank

[light quail]

chakram cutter is good i hear

[grave swallow]

Rly, it's pretty weak

And endlag

[light quail]

ohhh and fleur tornado

[grave swallow]

That's probably decent

[light quail]

though i think their strengths come mainly from being +⭐'d. not sure how powerful they are in their base form

[grave swallow]

In general I feel like the difference between tier 1 and 2 is greater than between 2 and 3

Tier 1s besides hammer all pretty much suck completely

I'll have 10/10 tier 3 soon and tier 1 is trash so I should focus on 2 next

[red mango]

it also kinda implies NoA came up with the title first

[grave swallow]

No ability seems to scale to tier 2 for some reason

[red mango]

which i guess makes sense since their main role is marketing

[ruby geode]

makes sense lol

[red mango]

i think the same thing was said about Echoes of Wisdom?

[broken sapphire]

true

[red mango]

where NoA came up with names for the gameplay mechanic and their title first and the japanese names came later

[grave swallow]

What's considered the worst tier 3?

[red mango]

homing bomb

[grave swallow]

Makes sense

[ruby geode]

ah makes sense

[grave swallow]

I'd guess that, cutter or needle

[ruby geode]

so yeah I guess forgotten land came first but japanese felt forgotten was a weird word so they went with discovery

[light quail]

blizzard ice is pretty bleh too right

[grave swallow]

Ice might be the slowest

[red mango]

its not too bad but everyone only uses the close range attack because otherwise you're not getting the freeze on bosses

which is the important part

and at that point if you're so close up you might as well use hammer

[grave swallow]

And one would think the guard is great but some things break it and i actually do better defensively with the dodge tbh

[light quail]

yeaaah the ice guard makes the game way harder for me lol

[twin junco]

does anyone gaf about giant sword

[red mango]

its fine

[grave swallow]

Gigant sword is the definition of mid

[red mango]

its a better execution of its concept than wild hammer

[light quail]

i like giant sword. It's cool and morpho steals the big sword from it to gaslight ppl into thinking giant sword's useless </3

[twin junco]

ok does ANYONE gaf about clutter needle

[red mango]

no

[grave swallow]

Wild hammer is great until you get masked hammer tho

[twin junco]

toy hammer solos all

[red mango]

its just needle but you get to use it for longer and has higher base damage

[grave swallow]

Honestly masked hammer is so broken it shouldn't be in the game so wild hammer should be the strongest

[red mango]

the clutter is literally the weakest attack in the game

[civic sun]

it's good if you want invincible guard and the stronger moves, better in early game though iirc

[civic sun]

I mean, it's a Master-like

[twin junco]

what about frosty ice

[civic sun]

of course it's strong

[red mango]

suffers from being the last evolution before you get a tier 3 so its immediately outclassed

[civic sun]

though Toy Hammer is already really good anyway

[grave swallow]

Toy Hammer +* is stronger

[red mango]

i don't think you get blizzard ice until midway through redgar but still, almost no opportunities to use it

you use regular ice for most of the game

[civic sun]

I meant even besides that

[grave swallow]

Normal Toy Hammer is several minutes worse than Wild

[true aurora]

I like it. Makes things a bit more difficult yet still fun to play as

[civic sun]

anyway main thing Masked Hammer really adds is projectile stuff and wind element, which is better for the stages and casual play

(and comes at the cost of Hammer Flip being multi-hit if you specifically care about speedrun stuff)

[broken sapphire]

he said something like "last time in kirby we killed god" seconds into the video
but for some strange reason i don't care about the fact that that is not canonically confirmed accurate
it's almost like, a joke, when formatted as a joke and not taken seriously, is... funny!?

[grave swallow]

I'd say the top 5 abilities at base rank are masked hammer, morpho, wild hammer, space ranger, and either dragon fire or toy hammer

[edgy sapphire]

Ya, but ice guard can allow you to freeze bosses in 2 seconds

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ee9egSHj3X4

[broken sapphire]

i remembered that ice technique halfway through my scw playthrough but just forgot how to do it lol

[broken sapphire]

okay wow i can NOT do it that fast lol

[grave swallow]

Is this supposed to be timestamped somewhere

[civic sun]

why would it need to be timestamped it's practically the whole run

[edgy sapphire]

Just look at any of the boss

[grave swallow]

Ok true, I thought you meant two literal seconds like a rly obvious glitch of some sort so I wasn't seeing it

[spare chasm]

||neichel became the lor because it's funny||

[fast crest]

Oh, I forgot about the perfect dodge out of Ice Guard!

[flat wadi]

Aww I like ice it lets me turn off my brain

|| tho not that much anymore with the amount of moves that go through shields ||

[autumn turret]

||Oh ZEX Chaos Elfilis uses Genome Repairs more than once||

[edgy sapphire]

|| yeah but the 3rd time it's barely anything. Also doesn't reg chaos uses it twice at max? ||

[autumn turret]

||Reg chaos elfilis can't use it more than once||

[autumn turret]

||Also lol so it's more actually like a handicap feature still||

||I assume they didn't change the amount it heals from base game then
That being that in base game it heals 600 the first time, 300 the second, and 50 every time afterwards||

||In base game the heal is also just slower when Fecto uses it past the first time, like they linger for like a few seconds after splitting where they recovery ring just doesn't spawn and I think it also moves slower?||

||I assume they at least didn't use the slow version on ZEX Chaos but healing 50 HP is still basically a free Genome Repair break which does a lot of damage to them||

[cloud olive]

(zex) does anyone have a video showcasing ||every zex chaos elfilis attack, including the variations ||

[autumn turret]

||I've yet to see the core's full brain loop, would be nice to see all their attacks||

[broken sapphire]

wow you weren't lying
he really did do that

[neat shuttle]

100% ||will it be funny anytime Lor Starcutter appears we'll hear the Last Song melody from now on||

[broken sapphire]

||how would the song even get there
...in fact how did the deedly dees get the song!?||

[neat shuttle]

||like... if that Planet Robobot remake is happening, will we hear it during that one GK attack lol||

[broken sapphire]

uhh video game logic

[twin junco]

they scale above void

[broken sapphire]

[neat shuttle]

||would it be cool if Starlit Journey gets on the next vocal medley||

[stiff pollen]

||Time to do another Masked Hammer run after getting my ass kicked yesterday||

||I did well with Morpho Sword last week for obvious lifesteal reasons lmao||

[edgy sapphire]

Could try recording it if my laptop has enough storage for both it and the other phase

[stiff pollen]

||HAL or San-Ei should lock tf in and give us final boss merch. Gimme me plushies of the Elfili||

[orchid harbor]

||Find a gold shine (golden fish) in the water and attack it||

[orchid harbor]

||I'm giving myself a challenge in Ultimate Cup Z EX:

1. any power ups recommended must be taken for the fight. You can't remove the ability and must only deal damage to the boss with the ability recommended to you (if you perma lose the ability, reset the run)
   1a) if after a miniboss rush the final mini boss's ability takes place of the recommend one
   1b) Dedede's hammer must be swallowed and phase 2 must be done with hammer
   1c) with meta knight, you must use sword. When you get the chance to do sword clash and win, swap swords with the meta knight sword
   1d) if given sleep or crash, you can just do base form or the ability you have on
   1e) if ability is dropped, you can get it back, but if you try to DMG with base form before getting the ability back, reset the run

2. when in the final? And actual final fight, you can choose to fight with either the ability you have, choose the recommended ability, or go base form. You cannot swap out mid fight

Yes it's difficult, but it is fun
||

[agile sigil]

||Agreed. I love Elfilis. They're an interesting combo of evil and tragedy. Sectonia and Haltman were also bad but there were other elements at play behind their actions. And Magolor couldn't really enact much evil before he was stopped. But this species of invaders are genuinely malicious, and yet their imprisonment under various circumstances taken all together is just really fascinating||

||I think they also benefit from how Forgotten Land handled distribution of lore because of how much they were able to share through various means. If they still went with pause screens we wouldn't know nearly as much about them. And the world building around them just increases their intrigue||

[autumn turret]

||Ok I was wondering since I first saw it whether the crystals spinning around Elfilis's spear during Green Flash/Rosen Bridge Edge was just a cool visual thing or if it actually did something to the attack and I think it does have a bigger hitbox now||

||Never noticed it from seeing people sidestep it but just saw someone try to jump over the attack and they weren't at full hover height but I feel like they were high enough to have avoided the normal version||

[autumn turret]

Final boss ||Ok one time I said that Genwel's ground portal didn't have a hitbox and then another time I was like 'huh wait I was wrong it does I guess?' but I think I was right the first time||

||I'm realizing the second time the player was probably getting damaged by the spear itself and not the ground portal||

[glass pulsar]

||Obviously one of the Deedly Dees is Neichel.||

[pastel ravine]

|| Deeichel||

[edgy sapphire]

idk got a bit lazy + stuffs happening
||https://youtu.be/zV0ThUJW9mE ||

[timber plaza]

Amazing thumbnail

10/10

[edgy sapphire]

might get more of the ||ZEX soul 2nd phase ||later if there was something I missed & I feel like recording again

||cuz I didnt show off that you cant dodge the tornados during bound||

||plus idk if there's more patterns for the para matter summons yet||

[cloud olive]

Oh awesome

[pastel ravine]

Absolutely incredible thumbnail

[edgy sapphire]

o yeah, wanted to point out a trick for avoiding this attack

[autumn turret]

PEAK

[autumn turret]

||You can just hit all the orbs at once when they're at the bottom and end the entire attack||

[edgy sapphire]

yea that

||for a safer way, staying between the crystals is a safe zone for the first wave of lasers while going to the left side (or the crystal lines moving inwards towards you) will avoid the 2nd pass of lasers||

prob would've made more progress on showing off the full loop, but i forgo about where my birby amiibos went

so I couldnt just stock up on a free hp up

wanted to show more interactions w/ you getting hit as well

like with the ||crystals and getting a full taste of the summer sun||

[autumn turret]

naruhodone

[edgy sapphire]

||thinkin, I do want to check if it'll still spawn crystals in if you already destroyed the blobs b4hand||

[autumn turret]

||Nah it skips the attack completely||

[edgy sapphire]

neat then

yeah, prob will make another vid just for ||orb stuff||, just not now

[autumn turret]

|| Example||

[icy tapir]

do you unlock ||UCZEX after UCZ or are they both unlocked at the same time if you already beat meteonelfilis in SCW||

[autumn turret]

||Need to have beaten UCZ||

[icy tapir]

i seeee

[autumn turret]

||Actually I was confident I've seen someone beat Genwel without having done UCZ yet but I'm not sure now lol||

[icy tapir]

yeah since like the only difference is ||Genwel's addtion, the entire buffed bosses thing, and Lord of Chaos||

so my brain is like ||Wouldnt that mean you just need Genwel then||

[autumn turret]

...||There's different dialogue for clearing SCW before or after you clear Forgo Dreams, that makes sense
But Elfilin mentions the Isolated Isles by name
Do I have to go and fucking find footage of someone who never even approached clawroline before beating SCW augh||

[stuck ether]

Every day, the semblance of a unified continuum crumbles...

[native mauve]

Good luck lmaooooo

[twin junco]

make a new save file and get to where elfilin is kidnapped and then never touch it again (punishment)

[subtle crow]

(UCZEX) ||does anyone know what i did to not only avoid the first fence but also get Tropic Woods to replace it immediately?||

not really sure how i didn't get hit there

||oh, i just see that the first fence spawned a bit further up so i just avoided by being between him and the fence lol, still not sure how i got another to spawn immediately||

[icy tapir]

I think ||tropic woods has a habit of replacing the fence if it knows it can get hit by something||

[quartz oriole]

(FINAL BOSS DRAWING)
||"KRIS I'M NEVER DOING THAT AGAIN"||
||He's so freaking hard to draw even simplyfing his ears😭||

[orchid harbor]

||Update on the challenge:
I remembered why I despise the bomb evolutions. Also WHY IS THE GAME CONSTANTLY GIVING ME DRILL ON PHANTOM FORGO DEDEDE!? THAT IS EVEN WORSE ON THAT FIGHT THAN BOMB, AND BOMB CAN ACTUALLY DO CONSISTENT DAMAGE, ALBEIT LOW AMOUNT DUE TO MAGMA!!!||

[quartz oriole]

||I FORGOT THE TAIL I HATE EVERYTHING||

[orchid harbor]

||at least you didn't forgo the worst case scenario, HANDS||

[quartz oriole]

||with the pose i was doing i don't think i could Forgo them (obviously not a pose from another franchise)||

[sudden onyx]

||In another Z EX run, the second time also starts with 6 blue, then 4 orange and 2 yellow, so the first and second time might be set.||

[quaint plank]

Yes daniel...

this was his reaction to someone telling him the whole ||neichel thing||

[normal holly]

i mean, anyone would have simillar reaction as him tbh... 😅

[quaint plank]

i hadnt actually 100% it yet and i havent looked into the lore so it was my first time fully finding out the whole thing too. fuckin WILD

kumazaki what are you DOING

i knew about the ||spaceship stuff but nothing about the backstory||

[neat shuttle]

that comment section ||debates too hard on Neichel & Lor Starcutter connection... and for some reason, no one mentions the sound effect of Lor Starcutter at the end||

[junior zealot]

me when that writing team is one man and that man is him

[neat shuttle]

||There is definitely not enough to point Neichel & Lor Starcutter if you just pointed at the lyrics, but the sound effect at the end is enough to put away those doubts||

[junior zealot]

||tbh lyrics already have enough evidence imo this theory first sprung up before people noticed the sound effects||

[quaint plank]

much like most things in kirby lore, no definitive 'yes' or 'no' but by god there are CONNECTIONS and PARALELLS

[junior zealot]

||sound effects is kinda what sealed the deal||

[junior zealot]

well i mean the fact that some connections exist at all really make you think

[neat shuttle]

||yes, but as usual, the lyrics are the same kind of vagueness as we usually do have||

||the SFX is the most direct thing you can have, it's not even vague||

[glass pulsar]

||I can tell you that there is dialogue for that. Unfortunately, I only have the German dialogue.||

||This is what it looks like at least.||

[ruby geode]

ohhh sending to wikirby

[ruby geode]

||there's also different dialogue if you beat SCW with or without saving all starries not sure if you know||

anyway can I have these for wikirby

I should have a meme about this

[true aurora]

||Big fan of how gross this thing looks||

[ruby geode]

||and that is also why I started to make even more connections of elfilis' species being related to void, the whole "is sphere but can get powers absorbing" is very void and also related to kirby but you know||

[neat shuttle]

100%, responding to a post in #1357066358788980746 ||Starlit Journey as OP, Last Song as ED||

[agile iris]

What is the dialogue man

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-book-fire-fire-book-his-writing-is-fire-as-a-child-i-yearned-for-the-mines-gif-7492916682126134420

[obtuse verge]

||HOLD UP, LET HIM COOK||

[broken sapphire]

man i forgot how hard decisive battle ultimate z goes

[rapid pumice]

i may not have played the game, but i have seen rt game's playthrough, and holy shit this game might be peak?!?!?

[broken sapphire]

anyway first 2 bosses of the regular ultimate cup z done no-hit

[normal holly]

truly ||Ultimate Z EX|| moment

[broken sapphire]

3 in a row no-hit i might be goated

[rapid pumice]

||that solar flare attack, that's such a crazy dope move.||

[broken sapphire]

fuck you fleurina, first hit i guess

[rapid pumice]

||it reminds me of mr.shine and mr.bright||

[broken sapphire]

bro wtf i only took like 1% of my health bar why did that do so little damage

not complaining but now i'm just more annoyed that the only damage was so insignificant

[terse swan]

||yeah the only notable change to their moveset in DL2||

[broken sapphire]

ghost monkey no-hit

somehow, after not playing forgotten land for like a year, i feel like i'm way better at the ultimate cup z than i ever was before

like holy shit i beat phantom king dedede in like 30 seconds

with no ability btw

phantom tropic woods was annoying but only 1 hit annoying

[rapid pumice]

||so like, the elfili are totally related to void, right?||

||their ball forms look nearly identical||

[rapid pumice]

||and the whole "stored within an evil heart" thing||

||and relation to crystals||

[broken sapphire]

HOW IS PHANTOM MK ALREADY ALMOST DEAD
DID THEY MAKE THE ULTIMATE CUP Z EASIER BECAUSE OF Z EX OR SOMETHING?? WHAT IS HAPPENING

[terse swan]

||really good how they used the big flowers that've you encountered throughout the starry stages into the fight itself in order to block out the deadly ray, however you then need to keep moving in the direction of the shade as it does from the pillars||

[broken sapphire]

i only hit him with like 8 star bullets and 1 blaster bullet

[ruby geode]

||very possible, twinkling star showers in particular in japanese also has many interesting references that allude to KSA/void too||

[broken sapphire]

i might just be able to beat the whole thing without healing lol

[ruby geode]

|| https://wikirby.com/wiki/TWINKLING_STAR_SHOWERS see the jp translation notes||

[rapid pumice]

||crazy how this is all like, connecting rtdl, ksa, and fl, all together||

[terse swan]

||perhaps that alone used the power of the Switch 2 to do that since that's something not found in the rest of the game||

[ruby geode]

||now we need TD and PR on switch to also tie them together||

[civic sun]

||probably not super-directly, but they're definitely meant to parallel each other (with how they work)||

||hard to really know what to make of the Cores, the crystal floors (and Antares) already had the pattern||

[ruby geode]

||clearly it's just that everything is void||

[broken sapphire]

wtf morpho knight just instantly teleported and attacked me
...and then teleported into my final star bullet

[civic sun]

||and Elfilis's doesn't really have the pattern at all (but we can't tell if its Core was always like that or if split messed stuff up)||

[ruby geode]

LOL

[civic sun]

true....

[rapid pumice]

||now we just need a guy named Null, so that all our theories are null and void||

[terse swan]

||also the "crystal bits" somewhat||

[rapid pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/fna-fnaf-scott-cawthon-all-your-theories-are-wrong-gif-14805434331413338057

[broken sapphire]

chat should i try to beat the ultimate cup z abilityless without healing
i've never even done that before but i don't think i've ever done this well

also only 10 and a half minutes wow

i'm gonna do it
if i fail i have an emergency life-up

[terse swan]

I have someone for that to help you

[broken sapphire]

phase 0.5 done no-hit

[terse swan]

||just like Genwel they love to use powerful if combined little planet protectors against you||

[broken sapphire]

phase 1 done with 1 hit

phase 1.5 no-hit

[humble yarrow]

||Time to suffer in Ultimate Cup Z EX||

[broken sapphire]

EASY FUCKING PEASY BABY

THE ULTIMATE CUP Z (the normal one) WITH NO ABILITY, NO HEALING, AND NO BUFFS

not even a challenge tbh

now time for the ultimate cup z ex

which i WILL be healing for because i have a will to live

[humble yarrow]

||AaAAaAnnNDDdd HHeeRRee WEEeE AAaaARRRrrReeEe traumatizes me to this day, I’m afraid how horrible will it be in Z EX…||

[broken sapphire]

in 14:44.19 no less

oh cool usher waddle dee no longer tells you you "all the movies" when you beat the ultimate cup z because star-crossed world also has cutscenes

he just says like "here's a special figure because you unlocked all these movies including finding the light"

[terse swan]

||I'm going to be real the wild awoofy in phase 3 killed me||

||the building is usually easy to dodge though||

[broken sapphire]

i need 1 more volume 4 figure and can buy 3 more
will i get it

LET'S GOO

100 coins left to spare

i still have a lot of ex figures left though 😭

[terse swan]

time to grind!!!

[broken sapphire]

first i will do the ultimate cup z ex cause that'll give more starry coins and rare stones to spend

[terse swan]

gooluck

[broken sapphire]

time for the ultimate cup z ex, no copy abilities, no buffs, for real this time

[terse swan]

you will be wasting your time a lot

[terse swan]

where the wastes of life begun

[broken sapphire]

||phantom gorimondo defeated, 1 hit||

[rapid pumice]

||i have a theory that galacta knight isn't a part of the galactic species, but the armor is styled after them because he was their protector. Unfounded, but maybe what caused him to turn against them and cause ruin is the same type of mind control that elfilis used on leongar.||

[broken sapphire]

||phantom sillydillo with an actual good attack pattern done, 1 hit||

[broken sapphire]

||the what species?||

[rapid pumice]

||what im calling like, the group of starries + galactals||

[broken sapphire]

||bonkers (yes, JUST bonkers) done with 2 hits. what the hell is this monkey on!?||

[broken sapphire]

||i don't think those two are even of the same species??||

||galactals were made by the meteor (meteonelfilis) according to their figure description, just seemingly powered by the crystals of the starries||

[civic sun]

||yeah, Galactals are just made out of his goop (+crystals as armor)||

[broken sapphire]

||WHY DID THEY GIVE THESE GALACTALS SO MUCH DAMN HEALTH||

[true aurora]

||It’s funny cause I was so adverse to Elfilis being related to Void at first, but after SCW I’m a supporter of it||
||Granted Mefilis’ orb is probably just a coincidence but they have to had met each other at some point right lol||

[rapid pumice]

||then why do they look like galacta so much???? ||

[broken sapphire]

||...i think the orb is the only thing that is 100% NOT a coincidence||

[rapid pumice]

||they have his horns, his mask, his pink coloration, like wtf lmao||

[civic sun]

the funny

[twin junco]

||melfilis modeled them after his one fear||

[civic sun]

||tbf most of that is well, armor||

[junior zealot]

||probably because galactals are related to starries and starries sealed away galacta knight||

[broken sapphire]

||god i wish they didn't make the z ex mid-boss all-stars SO DAMN LONG||

[civic sun]

||clearly he just liked the look a lot or something idk||

[junior zealot]

||good point, too. maybe galacta's armor was made after galactals' appearance. which in itself would be an interesting world-building choice||

||they are fairly fearsome opponents||

[broken sapphire]

z ex ||phantom tropic woods done, 1 hit||

[rapid pumice]

||my theory was that galacta was the protector of the galactals+starries, and that's why he styled his amor after them before going berserk.|| ||but if galactals were always evil and aren't even the same species as starries, then i'm just left confused.||

[junior zealot]

||i think galactals is one aspect of this dlc lore-wise that is barely elaborated upon. i think we will see them again alongside starries||

[broken sapphire]

||NOT KNOWING THESE ATTACK PATTERNS IS SCARY MAN||

[junior zealot]

||they are both the most unexplained things in the story\lore||

[broken sapphire]

||starries honestly feel like a part of the series they're likely to expand a lot on later on||

[civic sun]

||eh, I feel they were pretty direct with them for most part||

[twin junco]

||tbf theyre brand spankin new||

[broken sapphire]

z ex ||phantom clawroline done, time for my first tomato and ughh more mid-bosses||

[junior zealot]

||their final description is like. starries? what do they do and where they came from? IDK LMAO XD||

[civic sun]

||appearance stuff is like the only vague-ish thing (and like, good bit of it comes more from Starry stuff anyway and/or not actually apart of its body)||

[rapid pumice]

||like, the biggest sticking point to me is that galacta always looked like the galactal, even when he was a good guy.||

||does everything that a starry encases end up looking similar to a galactal? idfk||

[broken sapphire]

||frosty, galactal, and edge done, ""6 more""||

||phantom king dedede done, time for the revenge of phantom wings||

[autumn turret]

Peak

[autumn turret]

Only gets stupider in JP
||Me when arutimetto de Z de EXna||

[terse swan]

||the crystals being specifically sealing crystals really does make you think of the Jamba Heart||

[rapid pumice]

||i find it interesting how it was revealed that elfilis sunk all the continents but one. bro murdered actual billions.||

[broken sapphire]

i saw people say the english localization is bad because of this line, glad to see it's just as stupid in japanese

[terse swan]

||does help to explain why there are no further ones we can explore or see||

[civic sun]

||probably wasn't just Elfilis, there was implied to be even more beforehand to some degree||

||though it was probably quite a bit into the past||

[broken sapphire]

||PHANTOM META KNIGHT DONE, ONLY 1 HIT AND 1 CHIP DAMAGE||

[terse swan]

||Fallen Star Volcano can be reverse proof of that||

[rapid pumice]

||it also most likely disproves shiver star theory||

[broken sapphire]

||PHANTOM FORGO DEDEDE FUCKING DESTROYED ME BUT I LIVED||

[timber plaza]

||mfw phantom forgo dedede is harder than the final boss||

[broken sapphire]

||same goes for the base game lmao||

||that fucking lava covering up so much of the arena. i got hit like 3 times by it because HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO AVOID IT 5 TIMES IN A ROW||

[terse swan]

||sinking continents and roche limits||

[cloud olive]

Yeeep lol

[timber plaza]

ngl, the camera movements does not help either lol

[broken sapphire]

oh right it does!
another theory that i never liked disproven with concrete evidence, that's nice

z ex ||OKAY, FORGO LEON DONE, MORPHO TIME||

[rapid pumice]

really goes to show how fucking strong that guy is lmao

[terse swan]

my my what will they do next

[civic sun]

also the lighting/colors

[rapid pumice]

let me hazard a guess

[broken sapphire]

||MORPHO HAS DODGED LIKE HALF MY FUCKING STAR BULLETS 😭😭😭||

[broken sapphire]

||okay phase 2 went by a lot faster luckily
TIME FOR METEONEFLILIS||

||i'm at half health so i'll have 2 tomatoes and a cherry left for the final boss||

[autumn turret]

||I mean if anything its a miracle the final boss is even a contender||

||Me staring at RtDL where like Landia and Magolor are like near the easiest bosses in the game||

[cloud olive]

||is there any final boss that's the hardest boss of its true arena||

[broken sapphire]

z ex ||phase 0.5 done||

[timber plaza]

||Magolor is easy but I pretend he is the hardest||

/cope

[wild stirrup]

||Magolor's super telegraphed attacks||

[broken sapphire]

||THE FUCKING GALACTA KNIGHT SHIELD IN PHASE 1 IS UNBREAKABLE WITHOUT ABILITY SMH||

[cloud olive]

||i've broken it||

[autumn turret]

||I think I've seen one person break it with normal before||

[broken sapphire]

||I DODGED THE LASER LET'S GOOO
THAT WASN'T EVEN HARD LOL I WAS JUST OVERTHINKING IT THE FIRST 3 TIMES||

god these boss fights are genuinely amazing

[autumn turret]

||Yea its like
Nearly the exact same as normal elfilis's in terms of avoiding it||

[timber plaza]

||it wouldnt even be a game if you cant break the shield without ability /lh||

[broken sapphire]

||phase 1 done, easy peasy||

[cloud olive]

||rtdl is NOT a game (magolor phase 1)||

[autumn turret]

||They're talking about the one in phase 1 that you don't need to break to actually beat the boss||

[timber plaza]

||mefilis and elfilis on their way with phase 2 being easier than phase 1||

[timber plaza]

yeah I know lol

[broken sapphire]

||i disagree with that for melfilis||

[autumn turret]

||Is ZEX elfilis phase 2 easier than phase 1
I haven't thought about that tbh it might be||

[timber plaza]

||but bro is piss easy, free break 😭||

[broken sapphire]

||phase 1 is mostly regular fecto elfilis attacks that i've gotten used to over the past 3 years, but a good bit harder||

[cloud olive]

|| 💅 ||

[broken sapphire]

||phase 2 is like CONSTANT attacks
i mean so is phase 1 but to a lesser extent it feels like||

[timber plaza]

||honestly it's only hard on the first run. after that, phase 2 is easier to avoid the attack on most part||

[rapid pumice]

i can't wait to play this dlc in 5 years. that boss figth looks so fucking peak

[timber plaza]

||phase 1's attack feels faster, but phase 2 has a lot of slow ahh attack||

[autumn turret]

||The one thing about phase 2 genwel I really don't get at least just from watching others play is like
How do you avoid the tail slam without using emergency dodge
My guess is it just tracks your location so if you keep moving while he's flying toward you you'll just avoid it but I can't really tell from the way people I watch play lol||

[broken sapphire]

||okay nevermind phase 2 is pretty easy now lol||

||🇲||

[timber plaza]

||can't wait to see uczex no damage no dodge no ability run||

[lapis reef]

||My experience was that once he had committed to the swing, he wasn't going to change trajectory, so if you can judge which side of the arena it's going for you can go to the other||

[humble yarrow]

||I did it! On my second try….||

[cloud olive]

||no damage no dodge no ability no floating no powerups no retries||

[broken sapphire]

also no hover
obviously no multiplayer and no buffs
and also under 30 minutes

or whatever a normal time for z ex is

||ALRIGHT, GENWEL METEONEL-FRAUD-LIS DEFEATED||

||I GOT FULL HEALTH FOR CHAOS ELFILIS
NO WAY I LOSE RIGHT||

[timber plaza]

||playing rtdldx ta after playing uczex makes me sigh in relief||

||feels like I'm back home||

[terse swan]

||the crystals being flung from the tail onto the ground is so nothing...||

[true aurora]

||I like to headcanon that Galactals arrived on the meteors that fell on the New World in the past||
||Kinda like to think they were able to capture a few of em and keep them at Lab Discovera as one of the lifeforms lol||

[broken sapphire]

||LORD OF CHAOS||

||CHAOS ELFILIS||

discord why did you not spoiler that

[outer mural]

||Hi all. I'm working on finishing Star-Crossed World 100% rn and I've found something concerning about Figure Volume 2. I've completed the Star-Crossed World content and Ultimate Cup Z EX but the figure collection is still locking me out of the figures linked to them.||

||I even just went through the finale yet again just in case it would activate the figure.||

[autumn turret]

||Have you beaten the base game 100%||

[timber plaza]

||did you also check what was the requirement for the missing figure?||

[true aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-nicole-screaming-mad-gif-20987290

[timber plaza]

||if you press the blank slot, you can check the hint on what you need to do for the figures to unlock||

[outer mural]

||Yeah. It says "This figure will be added to the Gotcha Machine EX lineup after you clear Star-Crossed World" which I've done the final boss twice now.||

[broken sapphire]

||phase 0.5 done||

[broken sapphire]

||then you have to get it from the gotcha machine ex||

[outer mural]

||Same with the ones for getting Bling Blipper and completing Ultimate Cup Z EX||

[junior zealot]

kumazaki, writing this dialogue:

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-25649629

[broken sapphire]

you get it from the gotcha machine but it's only unlocked in the gotcha machine after you do those things

[timber plaza]

you just need to gamble at this point

[outer mural]

||Does it still show the hint even if I've completed the task needed for it be added?||

[junior zealot]

wonderful things people say on r/kirby out of context

[timber plaza]

Let's go gambling!

magolor would be a gamble addict staring at the gacha alley all day and night

[outer mural]

||I'll give it a go. Is there a good spot to grind Starry Coins? I'd rather not to play through Ultimate Cup Z EX over and over to get the required stuff.||

[timber plaza]

||you could also trade with the rare stone||

especially if you're only missing few

[junior zealot]

a shame manmaru nikki didnt do a chapter about it

[broken sapphire]

||the fucking tiny frame drop when all the crystals break at once after chaos elfilis's spear swipe flying attack thing||

[true aurora]

You know the funniest thing about the EX figures in this game is how ||Astronomer Dee apparently dug them up from the meteor’s site lmao||

[junior zealot]

but at least it gave us gambling addict dedede

[timber plaza]

we love gambling episode

[outer mural]

||I've got like 12 rare stones left to use.||

[junior zealot]

you know what's even funnier

||...considering the neichel was a prophet... maybe she literally foresaw all these little guys and this is merchandise of her visions||

[timber plaza]

||mefilis figure is actually his business card||

[junior zealot]

dont take this too seriously

please

[timber plaza]

lets take it seriously

[junior zealot]

don't

[true aurora]

||This was all part of Neichel’s plan to sell merch to everyone leaving the New World||

[terse swan]

Dangerous Dinner we're having, yes

[junior zealot]

||this is why she and magolor became pals later||

[timber plaza]

||magolor is actually neichel, instead of lor and neichel||

[autumn turret]

Klu you should've been around internet discussions long enough that whenever you make a shitpost idea 50% of the time it will get adopted as theory people unironically take seriously

[junior zealot]

this is why im warning people to not take it seriously

in advance

[broken sapphire]

||PHASE 1 DONE||

[rapid pumice]

||Lor: soooo, magolor. i hear you like making purchases???||

[autumn turret]

||It's too late Klu canonically NEICHEL wrote the figure descriptions||

[junior zealot]

because in 3 years people will say "this dumbass klu person made us all think that ||neichel made these figurines"|| or some shit 😭

[timber plaza]

||neichel made this during her free time||

[autumn turret]

||In fact Neichel wrote all the pause descriptions across the entire series||

[rapid pumice]

||Neichel is an anagram for Lor Starcutter, CONFIRMED||

[broken sapphire]

||more neichel = kumazaki evidence 🤔||

[true aurora]

||Meteonelfilis inside the meteor making figures to pass the time until they arrive in the New World||

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-gif-9229124653749492126

[terse swan]

||Neichel was the one in universe to create Green Greens because she is mother nature||

[timber plaza]

||green greens is neichel's mother||

[terse swan]

||also yes I mean the actual theme not the land (how would that even work?)||

[junior zealot]

||this is why they are so vague all the time its because it literally came to her in a dream||

[rapid pumice]

||I LOVE KILLING UNTOLD BILLIONS 😈 and collectible figurines! 😁||

[terse swan]

||me when I need to make Purple Plants instead of purple purples||

[rapid pumice]

||the elfili sink land, therefore neichel creates it, duh!||

[junior zealot]

||collectible figurines is his only hobby ok||

[autumn turret]

||The english pause descriptions are written by Neichel's elder brother Localizeichel||

[junior zealot]

||we need to kill him||

[broken sapphire]

z ex final boss ||BULLSHIT||

||anyway FINAL PHASE||

[timber plaza]

[rapid pumice]

... huh.