[SPOILERS] Star-Crossed World

[terse swan]

dream, dark, soul and heart

[civic sun]

really I wouldn't take the 'revival' stuff super-literally, and majority of the time they talk about it, it's in relation to Hyness (and his beliefs, including also calling it a 'god' usually)

[terse swan]

chaos

chaos

[civic sun]

especially considering like, the other aspects of how Void works anyway

[smoky river]

What would sukuna be like if he’s a kirby final boss

[timber plaza]

Finally memorized how to ||sing Japanese version of Twinkling Star Showers and Unfinished Track and can sing normally in Japanese. Next up is memorizing English lyrics and try to sing them… even tho I still can’t sing English version of Welcome to the new world lol||

[true aurora]

Oh yeah forgot to mention I played SCW with my pal earlier today
Got him the code for his bday

Gotta say I was already impressed with how fun the stage design was in the base game but they really knocked it out of the park here

[terse swan]

Fallen Star Beach...

[smoky river]

I love how redgar’s starry theme is just shogo sakai confirming he’s back

Like it barely sounds like the original theme

[terse swan]

||Ishikawa ||

[true aurora]

We played up to ||Freezing Wind and Some Snowmen||
Now that I can listen to some tracks without keeping myself from getting spoiled before playing the stages I gotta say the ost here is like
Actually legendary
Which for Kirby is expected but like

Omg it's so good??????

[terse swan]

||if this is his last project with Kirby then...||

[civic sun]

||since he's here, then he's probably done stuff for next game either way||

||regardless of if he's freelance now or not||

[terse swan]

||you mean Sakai or Jun?||

[civic sun]

||Ishikawa||

[terse swan]

||if Jun did work for the next game it's probably even lesser than how much work he did for this game||

[civic sun]

||not really, I assume there'd be bit of overlap with dev time||

[terse swan]

||maybe however that remains to be seen||

[lapis reef]

||And anyway, it's just nice to know that it's a possibility||

I need to actually sit down and pay attention to the soundtrack soon. Too distracted when I'm playing to really listen properly

[terse swan]

||there is the Deedly Dees for you to do so||

[lapis reef]

yeah

I just haven't yet. Keep getting distracted with other stuff

[terse swan]

||funny they did Heart-Racing Beach where you only hear it for 1 minute or 2 and then just gone immediately when the new composer comes in with the meteor effect||

||and it's just the first notes of Abandoned Beach on repeat||

makes sense though

[twin junco]

100% ||guys the songs only go up to 145 what am i missin||

||got all figures, all starries, beat uczex||

[timber plaza]

Oh hm

I can only think of 3 missing song, have you gotten every song from base game?

[twin junco]

i mean i 100%ed that so

idk what else id have to do

[timber plaza]

Have you visited all HAL room in base?

[twin junco]

CRAP thats gotta be it i havent seen the new one

[timber plaza]

The ones people usually miss are ||SCW HAL room and Kirby’s House||

[twin junco]

i remember base game having one like, all the way in the back of a desert oasis level though

was that even a hal room or

[lapis reef]

base game has like ||three I think||

[timber plaza]

||but that only covers 2/5, so I’d assume base game HAL room for 4/5 and final song for 5/5||

[twin junco]

any1 got a quick guide for the hal rooms

[timber plaza]

Which one?

[twin junco]

all of em if possible so i can jog my memory a bit

[timber plaza]

Alright

[twin junco]

see which ones i alr did

[timber plaza]

You can either do Wondaria HAL room or the very first HAL room since they unlock 1 song (they’re same)

[twin junco]

which one was the car race one

cause i did that

[timber plaza]

Parade

So Wondaria

How about Burning, Churning Power Plant?

[twin junco]

hmmmmm

i think i did that

whats the song title so i can check btw

[timber plaza]

HAL room ver 1 and 2

[twin junco]

oh wait my songs are suddenly

at 149 😭

[timber plaza]

LOL

[raven aspen]

||time to get song 150||

[timber plaza]

So I’m assuming you’re missing ||HAL room for SCW||

[twin junco]

for sure

how do

[timber plaza]

#1408842700488441949 message

Here’s the guide I made

[twin junco]

lmao

it works but i thought that was funny

[lapis reef]

lmao

[raven aspen]

ip grabber

[terse swan]

||you know I thought the HAL room was going to be in the last stand SCW version||

||however they knew ||

[nimble pewter]

at least he got something
galacta, rest easy, for your time WILL come

[raven aspen]

i heard alot of people found that hal room by accident because they thought that path lead to a starry

[terse swan]

||they already did the Power Plant so they chose Wastes Where Life Began instead||

||an opposite of RTDLDX...||

[timber plaza]

Yeah lol this is the case for many

Personally ||I already beat that stage, but I went back and found out the trigger point||

[terse swan]

||and they couldn't do 86 again either||

[timber plaza]

I suggest spoiler tagging this

[raven aspen]

||awesome HAL room medley
evil and intimidating unknown last song||

[terse swan]

||btw what does the clock say in Winter Horns this time or is it the same?||

[timber plaza]

||Best HAL medley tbh||

||or moreso, best HAL room music||

[terse swan]

||It's like between 5 and 6...||

[raven aspen]

i have come to realization from that song that ||megumi does mostly medleys and arrangements. and she cooks.||

||like that 30th star conquering traveler...||

[timber plaza]

||her cafe theme my beloved <3||

[twin junco]

||WHERES LAST SONG COMPLETE.... 👹||

[livid gust]

||probably in the next music fest||

[twin junco]

thanks guys for helping me 100% this btw

[terse swan]

||I think the fact there isn't is the point of this song||

[twin junco]

||BOOOOOOORIIIIIIING /j||

[neat shuttle]

question about EX gacha: ||Do Star Stones also help on getting the missing EX figs||

[livid gust]

||yeah they do||

[neat shuttle]

||or you're forced to get starry coins||

ok

[timber plaza]

||yes, fortunately the trader Dee is nice||

[terse swan]

||Oh I didn't know that, I just had to grind again ||

||I got Genwel last who/what did you guys get last?||

[keen acorn]

||idr tbh||

||either genwel or clock or something||

[livid gust]

||I forgor 💀||

[raven aspen]

monkey paws curl ||next final boss will have a choir to this leitmotif||

[twin junco]

https://tenor.com/view/cuzco-bad-llama-pacha-gif-6211791

[keen acorn]

i just don’t understand it tbh

[wraith tartan]

Final Boss Spoilers
|| Some art and a video :3 ||

[quartz oriole]

AGGHHH THE VIDEO😭

Chat i'm getting inspired to draw (Final Boss) ||Mateo Elfylist||, should i try

[autumn turret]

OH

They changed the way Morpho Knight spawns on retries in Forgo Land to look less shit

It used to look like some jank ass modded thing as if Morpho wasn't meant to spawn here but now it
uh
Doesn't

[quartz oriole]

Didnt it just spawn there

Like how it did in UCZ

[autumn turret]

It had a really weird camera snap before that it doesn't have now

[quartz oriole]

Huh

Neat

[autumn turret]

It has a proper cutscene camera for the spawn now

[smoky river]

||What’s the differences of the final four in scw?||

[quartz oriole]

||i think the attack patterns and the songs||

||i genuinely felt Morpho was out for blood this time, maybe a skill issue or smth||

||also Forgo DDD and Meta felt more difficult||

||Leon uh not so much||

[lapis reef]

||Morpho was definitely more aggressive, anyway, and spawned a lot more phantom things, etc. Probably subjective on actual difficulty, but there was more going on at least||

[autumn turret]

||Honestly the fact that they made the cutscene for Morpho Knight respawning for failed attempts look less jank just makes me question more why there's jank in the new chaos elfilis fight||

||Like how they just snap to their original pose after the edited boss title animation or how the shadows just flick to a different lighting source without a transition after the new deadly sun variant||

[true path]

Sup!

[autumn turret]

Wait thought
||They spell his name as Elfilin now on the back of the photo frame figure instead of Efillin
Has anyone checked if they've changed the morse code in the lab discovera audio to reflect that spelling or is it still Efillin||

||Also what's the last character after the 0 supposed to be
Everyone I've seen transcribe this just ignored it||

||It looks closes to a 1 I guess? But it doesn't have the dot on the top||

[chrome vigil]

Probably decay

I say it’s a 1

No other letter or number looks close to this or would make sense in my mind

[fast crest]

HAL's willingness to make Kirby say "Hi!" in a million different ways

even SCW has a few new ones of its own, IIRC

though I think the voice clip that threw me off the most was the humming Kirby does when using the EX Gotcha Machines

There are not many levels for it to shine, but it might be my personal favourite of the three because the sections with it are very fun for me to do

Reading the backlog, I am compelled to once again bring this up. Boy, I can't wait for the time when I don't need to constantly spoiler tag this because I genuinely want to know why so many people are (final boss) ||saying Meteon Elfilis and not Meteo Nelfilis. I still hold that it just does not sound right to me, maybe because I'm used to reading "Meteo" as a word in other media to allude to meteors, like Meteo LDrago in Beyblade||

[chrome vigil]

I just call them ||Melfilis||

||Because of their Japanese name||

[fast crest]

||I guess it also just makes more sense in my head - Elfilis, Nelfilis||

[chrome vigil]

||And because haha funny sonic||

https://tenor.com/view/mephiles-the-dark-sonic-2006-gif-13280099794687333254

[chrome vigil]

Exactly

I think ||Melfilis|| just rolls better off the tongue

[fast crest]

That's kinda why I use ||Nelfilis|| as a shorthand instead

[remote narwhal]

||maybe update to reflect lord of chaos elfilis, then make meteonelfilis an echo fighter||

arguably one would make the argument that each subsequent drawcia sibling is less evil than the last one

[pastel ravine]

|| https://youtu.be/F_geFA-swLU?si=dt3MhCiMYT6xxWTH || || this track ||

[stray umbra]

||The ultimate life form
The ultimate life form
The ultimate life form
The ultimate life form
The ultimate life form
The ultimate life form||

[pastel ravine]

|| can every Kirby game have a messed up track like this one pretty please ||

[brazen nova]

||Sounds like one of those memes where the pitch randomly goes up or down with each saying||

[obtuse verge]

||And Here We Are was so bad, they made "THE ULTIMATE LIFE FORM!" even worse (gets instantly jumped by Beast Pack clones)||

[raven aspen]

i think we are getting there because ||RTDLDX has one before true arena magolor soul too||

[autumn turret]

||```ansi
The Ultimate Lifeform
The Ultimate Lifeform
The Ultimate Lifeform
The Ultimate Lifeform
The Ultimate Lifeform
The Ultimate Lifeform
The Ultimate Lifeform
The Ultimate Lifeform

[timber plaza]

My third favorite song from SCW 🔥 🔥 🔥 ||There is no bias here, trust me. Totally no bias for the beeping||

[fast crest]

So, Q for @grave swallow. (Final boss) ||For your base power challenge, are there any other stipulations?||

||Is it to beat the entire three phases in one go? Do we go in without any reserve items?||

[fast crest]

||Right now, for context, I am challenging Genwel Meteonelfilis with base Cutter||

[uneven steeple]

Sounds good!

[pastel ravine]

Third favorite?

[timber plaza]

Third favorite!

||Second is HAL Room Starry ver, first is Unfinished track||

[broken sapphire]

woah how did you do that

and why is the text only colored on pc

[broken sapphire]

i will never not wonder why this game gives you 13 healing items for an arena with only 6 fights

||oh my god the inside of the ferris wheel that says "see you in the new world" also has a drawing of the spaceship new world||

i love the worldbuilding in this game

[junior zealot]

I hope it's a standard going forward

[broken sapphire]

same

[junior zealot]

It's evolving how Kirby 64 approached it's world building with actually having clear intent of modern games

[autumn turret]

Because mobile has no rights
-pov you're mobile (bad)
+pov you're desktop (good)

[broken sapphire]

lol

[autumn turret]

Its for the people who eat all 6 tomatoes before entering the first round

Because kirby series is too tutorial text phobic

No screen that simply explains how the arena format works 'hey you'll return to this room between every round, the items are consumables' nope

[broken sapphire]

man i forgot how awesome meta knight sword is

[autumn turret]

Meta Knight sword is the coolest shit ever
Then they said what if we make morpho sword have everything and more
Upper Calibur fans don't @ me

[broken sapphire]

upper calibur is the coolest attack unfortunately

[autumn turret]

Its also its best move

[junior zealot]

tbh morpho sword might be objectively better but unfortunately it has less Aura and Hype Moments ™

[broken sapphire]

that is because meta knight is hype moments and aura while morpho knight is mystery and aura

[junior zealot]

meta knight used to be the latter... how the times change

[broken sapphire]

meta knight thinks he's also mystery but we know what his favorite food is so it doesn't work

[ruby geode]

it is funny to sometimes think of stuff us who play kirby all the time just know due to osmosis vs new people who have no idea what kirby is about

[autumn turret]

Morpho Knight is the actual definition of Aura and Hype Moments
As in dude that's got no actual substance

[junior zealot]

meta knight thinks hes mysterious but literally only mysterious thing about him is the same as kirby's so its not adding mysteriousness points

[ruby geode]

like I don't think any older games did it either (explain how rest areas work I mean) I sorta of think many people also later learned through smash

[autumn turret]

He just appears and you're legally obligated to pretend he's hype as fuck "OH NO NOT THE BUTTERFLY!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD IT JUST ATE OTHER STRONG GUY NO WAY ! ! ! !'

and then he has the lamest battle ever and you pretend he's really strong

[broken sapphire]

wait a minute

[junior zealot]

fl's battle isnt lame tho

[broken sapphire]

a knight who insta kills the final boss?

this is just deltarune

[junior zealot]

galacta knight did it first

in robobot

[broken sapphire]

oh true

[junior zealot]

then morpho was like. i can do it for a living

[broken sapphire]

how long until meta knight does this

[ruby geode]

https://tenor.com/view/king-d-mind-dark-taranza-kirby-king-d-mind-taranza-gif-8254749002349088578

[junior zealot]

this is so funny. its literally on sight

[broken sapphire]

wow i can't believe kirby games have twist final bosses

[junior zealot]

bro is begging for his life but no

death

rip in pieces

[autumn turret]

yea like for a modern game its really strange how many classic things in kirby aren't explained only b/c they're classic things all the long time fans learned through trial and error in a time where it was normal for things to just not be explained

[junior zealot]

never. his fate is to be hyped up but have the absolute lamest defeats and no real feats outside of maybe potentially canonically beating galacta knight once

[autumn turret]

But like when you really think about it the kirby games could use a lot more like
Screens of text that just explain something that other games would have, the arena format being a great example

[ruby geode]

but yeah I'm surprised there's not even an elfilin dialogue about this considering there's a lot of elfilin dialogue that are things like that

in the sense of "hey kirby you stupid fucker do this" after you don't do certain things for a while

[broken sapphire]

TRUST ME HE WILL HAVE A BOSS FIGHT WHERE HE KEEPS ON FIGHTING AFTER HIS MASK BREAKS INSTEAD OF TELEPORTING AWAY LIKE A BABY

[junior zealot]

tbh i kinda inferred this is supposed to be intuitive. like if you pick up a tomato and after the fight return to the same lounge, the item changes, signifying that its the same room

[broken sapphire]

ALWAYS BET ON MASKLESS META KNIGHT

[junior zealot]

like it never came across to me as something so complicated that it needs to be explained

[wild stirrup]

The Roaring Knight when it creates a dark fountain but the official KSSU Galacta Knight Stamp is in the room

[junior zealot]

unless you are a literal 5 year old but in that case, well

they arent reading allat anyway

[broken sapphire]

i think faye meant literally the first time you enter the rest area

[junior zealot]

lmaooooo

[autumn turret]

Yea I've seen more than enough people who just eat every tomato the moment they start the arena thinking its like
How there's 30 bananas before gorimondo type of deal where its just like a fun decorative thing

[junior zealot]

(also isnt that sad that galacta knight been in the franchise since 2008 yet all he has is a stamp)

(even mages got like. stickers or something. i think)

[junior zealot]

well in this case they are still not totally screwed because "lesser tomatoes" appear in their stead next time. if they eat all of them there too, well

also i just feel like a lot of ppl who stream videogames just do dumb shit and dont try to understand it because they know they would get a reaction out of people

[autumn turret]

Yea but at that point its like
Is a person going to connect 'these regular tomatoes appeared because I ate all those previous tomatoes' rather than just 'this is a different room that has regular tomatoes instead, next time it'll be another room with different items as well'

[twin junco]

we yes WE forgot about parallel nightmare

[junior zealot]

hmmm

[junior zealot]

i guess it was a bit more clear its the same room in the older games because it never felt like you were constantly moving through it

[twin junco]

nobody has a gif of him fricking dying (aeon hero)

[autumn turret]

100% ||Best part of unfinished song is all the vocaloid covers of it from JP fandom and mangosteen||

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6JdQYxWljU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeLQFoiCOFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYG9gapTIao Literally the only shit that appears in my YT recommended anymore /s||

[obtuse verge]

||I wonder if any VTuber is gonna do a cover of any Neichel song, even the Last Song||

||I would be surprised if that happened. An English cover of Last Song? Hell, I wanna see one||

[autumn turret]

||No one is going to do that lol||

[obtuse verge]

||okay wait, imagine this. We get a NEICHEL VTuber, she does sing the songs like the original MVs for Hololive VTubers and stuff||

[autumn turret]

||Neichel vtuber is too based they would never||

[ruby geode]

||someone on wikirby posted a sort of english cover of last song and it works surprisingly well but yeah it's mostly a "let me see if this works in english" (it somehow does)||

[broken sapphire]

the fact that sword spin -> sword spin -> slash -> slash -> sword slide -> upward slash -> upper calibur -> sword dive is a real combo this ability can do

making enemies stay around for a bit before they poof away so you can combo them is one of the best things star allies introduced

[agile sigil]

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Erika Rivers (@erikarivers.bsky.social)

Bless the plains with song #kirby #kirbyandtheforgottenland

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||Niechel Art||

[fast crest]

I kinda love how they have implemented it as a playable option since its introduction in Star Allies

Dark Calibur gave us a playable 2D version (which lends DMK a more "playable boss" feel)

and Upper Calibur from Meta Knight Sword in FL is pretty clever - while not exactly like the way Upper Calibur is performed by any of the Knights, it's adapted as an advanced version of the Sword Slide > Upward Slash > Sword Dive combo

[fast crest]

Eh, I think casually charging a sword to become Ultra Sword size and being able to invoke the screams of the underworld has plenty of aura to me

Though that may be because (UCZ EX) ||the first time I completed UCZ EX, I actually found myself using Morpho Knight Sword's "hidden" guard attacks quite extensively to push for extra damage||

[fast crest]

Oh come on, he's saved Dream Land on a number of occasions himself

I also choose to believe that for the sake of training, he really did trash his own battleship

[junior zealot]

i just like bullying meta knight because its funny

i like the guy

[twin junco]

kicking gorimondo's ass 30 times

[fast crest]

To be fair, he only more recently got playable status

you're more likely to bully Meta Knight in game than to play as him

though I think the coolest thing about him, personally

[junior zealot]

yeah its kinda wild that his status as semi-regular playable character is somewhat recent (ik it first happened in 2002 game but i choose to ignore it because he sucks there)

[fast crest]

is how he's continually added in Smash Bros. elements to his appearance and kit over the years

[autumn turret]

Im sorry but I like to talk about how MK is overhyped especially when compared to DDD but lol that's a lotta cope
MK always accomplishes more than DDD except for PR I mean he still accomplishes more relative to DDD ig but like

[fast crest]

Maybe one day we will get a Kumazaki style Darkness Illusion

[timber plaza]

I believe in dedede supremacy

[autumn turret]

MK fans when I point out how Dedede is basically always a later game boss than MK

[timber plaza]

MK fans when I point out how Dedede is in more games

[fast crest]

I would say Meta Knight got the playable treatment sooner than Dedede, but thanks to that Kirby game that I hate (64) that isn't true either

[junior zealot]

tbh i really dont care who has more feats i just think its funny to bully meta knight because he's all about being this super serious mysterious guy who's always on top but then gets his ass kicked and thats supposed to be all shocking

[timber plaza]

I dont hate MK but I prefer Dedede any day, but I am just very bias for dedede being my favorite kirby character

[junior zealot]

like when dedede loses its funny its part of the charm almost

but when mk loses devs probably expect me to go like. oh no, how could this happen

(it always happens)

[fast crest]

Above Magolor?

[timber plaza]

not anymore :(

[autumn turret]

Honestly MK randomly getting his ass kicked in PR was so out of nowhere

[timber plaza]

he is my second favorite

Dedede used to be my #1 until 2011 happened

[junior zealot]

MK could do nothing to stop the power of the Plot

[autumn turret]

Like my dude has always just been like
Above everything and then Kuma in PR was like "MK tried to fight the company and was easily defeated"

[junior zealot]

never forget that he got his ass kicked by yin yarn too

[timber plaza]

my favorite character being 1: dedede, 2: daroach 3: escargoon before 2011

[lapis reef]

MK getting his ass kicked feels like Star Trek TNG using Worf as the guy who gets beat up to show how strong the villain of the week is. After a while, you start doubting the guy is really all that strong because you never get to see him win lol

[fast crest]

Oh, so that's what The Worf Effect trope is named for

[sage jewel]

i believe the word you're all looking for is "jobber"

[autumn turret]

If anything you could really see the 2010s as MK's character assassination
DDD always got possessed while MK was on top of everything but then suddenly Yin-Yarn, HWC, and the Dark Hearts all managed to possess/control MK throughout the 2010s

[junior zealot]

mk defeating gorimondo off-screen 30 times definitely feels like HAL tries to make up for the fact that "yeah we kinda dont show him doing anything cool do we" but lowkey they shouldve said he kicked carol's ass or something because gorimondo is the first boss

[broken sapphire]

wow i wonder what happened in 2011

[junior zealot]

itd be like saying "meta knight is so awesome he beat up whispy woods 30 times"

[junior zealot]

i mean even in 2000s theres amazing mirror where he wasnt even possessed hes straight up damsel in distress

[timber plaza]

||similar to what the figure description said about MK in extra gacha, but, MK getting treated as "perfect warrior" vs Dedede being "he may not be perfect, but he's gotten the idea and he tries his very best to be the number 1", of course I would choose Dedede anyday||

[junior zealot]

so him being cringefail is not exactly new development

[autumn turret]

I mean it was to an edgier version of himself

[fast crest]

Having him be involved with the plot more deeply is probably the only reason for it, surely. (And also because they need a Knight boss fight somehow.)

[junior zealot]

well losing is one thing

getting trapped and needing to be rescued is another thing

[autumn turret]

yea sure dude

[junior zealot]

well my point is that he wasnt on top there

[fast crest]

Well, you gotta admire Gorimondo's persistence if he's willing to accept repeated duels with the swordsman who defeated him

[sage jewel]

i think gorimondo being meta knights target for the figurine is cool because gorimondo is big

[junior zealot]

he was peak hype and aura moments in revenge of mk

once he decided that he will become a good guy it was joever

[sage jewel]

defending a town from a giant ape 30 times is way cooler than defending it from a moderately sized leopard

[junior zealot]

yknow what fair enough

i accept this logic

[junior zealot]

one of my oomfs on bsky pointed out that he was probably char aznable reference from gundam in that mode and that entirely changed my perception of it 😭

[lapis reef]

It would have been nice to see MK beat up Gorimondo once, just because that sounds cool af. And I get why they didn't. But just hearing "oh yeah he won a bunch of fights off camera" isn't as hype

[fast crest]

Kirby humbles his foes. You could argue that's his true power.

[sage jewel]

they gas up meta knight so hard in FL it's funny

THANKYOUMETAKNIGHT

[junior zealot]

i hope all the money from forgotten land sales will go towards next game animating as many pointless cutscenes as possible

[sage jewel]

ok but i feel like FL didn't have enough cutscenes

[autumn turret]

And I'm saying that's not been the case
He was always treated as that guy who was above everything except for that one time that was literally him but evil and that one other time that was a Fuckass Yarn Spinoff
And then Kumazaki suddenly handed him two back to back Ls in PR and SA
Like Epic Yarn used to be like
A big deal
It was still a Big Deal when Robobot was the newest game
People would go "Holy shit HWC controlled MK, this has never happened before Besides The Funny Yarn Spinoff"

[sage jewel]

my prime issue with elfilin as a character at first was that the game didn't do enough to make us like him pre-lab discovera

[junior zealot]

yeah star allies is when it became too formulaic

[lapis reef]

Hell, put them in the theater only, if you don't want to interrupt the game flow. And it would give a reason to actually go there

[timber plaza]

Btw since it’s drifting off topic

#kirby-kingdom

[junior zealot]

id argue the same for dedede possessions because it didnt happen for years when triple deluxe hit (except for epic yarn)

[fast crest]

oh, no wonder his dash attack in Smash is what it is, it's a Char kick

https://tenor.com/view/char-aznable-gundam0079-gundam-char-kick-mecha-gif-22895953

[junior zealot]

but then tdx and then sa reinforced it

[junior zealot]

i think within the context of FL they couldve fit one of these when you return to waddle dee town

[timber plaza]

Yall </3

[junior zealot]

like you do that and cutscene plays of MK defending the town from gorimondo before the business as usual

[autumn turret]

||Um this is actually objectively relevant because of that funny figure they made that basically went 'lol Dedede was too fucking hungry, meanwhile look at how awesome Meta Knight was'
Unironically though that description didn't have to do Dedede like that 😭 ||

[lapis reef]

Anyway, slightly back on topic, I wish ||MK and Dedede could have had a role in SCW||

[junior zealot]

WELL ITS TECHNICALLY FORGOTTEN LAND RELATED NOW

💔

[timber plaza]

YOU JUSR FORCED IT BACK </3

[junior zealot]

you know whats funny

...this game technically has the most cutscenes out of any modern game anyway

[fast crest]

and a LOT more dialogue overall

[junior zealot]

yeah

its just the scope keeps expanding

so we want more

[timber plaza]

Also ermmm actually this is SCW thread not MK sucks Dedede rocks
That can stay in poll thread when I force people to vote Dedede as winner

[lapis reef]

I want to see Dedede and MK's thoughts on the big scary doom meteor that crashed off shore

[broken sapphire]

the switch 2 edition has ||47|| in the cinema lol

it includes like boss intros but still

[junior zealot]

plot twist

waddle dee wins

because waddle dee always wins

(not bandee)

[junior zealot]

i mean most boss intros in this game are elaborate cutscenes so id say it counts

[autumn turret]

||Wait did 3DX include boss intros
I know PR did and RtDL and SA didn't since those games' bosses had no sauce||

||In terms of animation||

[fast crest]

Mid-game characterisation is not exactly Kirby's strong suit

much of that usually takes place in endgame

or through some sort of pause screen lore

[junior zealot]

no 💔

[sage jewel]

part of why i like 64 so much is because it characterizes the ever loving crap out of its cast

they're always there, they're always helping

[broken sapphire]

nope

[autumn turret]

||Zamn
3DX reallly should've tbh||

[junior zealot]

you know what's/

fucking

included instead though

this shit

who even WANTS to rewatch that

[broken sapphire]

i wanna see taranza throw a rock at pyribbit 500 times in a row smh 💔

[twin junco]

"its not gonna BE your turn. ever."

[ripe elbow]

Soon Galacta will beat pyribbit

[fast crest]

It might have done a little too much for my liking, personally. That game gave Kirby his one and only actual love interest

[junior zealot]

(as an aside this is a brilliant cutscene thumbnail)

[timber plaza]

They had sunstone cutscene but not pre boss
Also no ヒーローとは、遅れて来るもんなんだぜ！ cutscene

[lapis reef]

That's the curse of being made in the early 00s

Cutscenes are good though. More please

[sage jewel]

yeah but i liked seeing kirby actually getting to be friends with people in the dark matter games

elfilin has that one cutscene in the bed and other than that he's just there

[timber plaza]

It sucks because it’s genuinely one of the best cutscene in the entire franchise with Dedede

[fast crest]

I don't really see Kirby as a character that would blush from a kiss.
-# Sharing smooches with helpers/friends to heal them is proof enough to me that he's too innocent to be embarrassed by most anything.

[junior zealot]

i really hope they lean further into that in future games because they clearly want to but feel restricted for some reason. i guess making as many cutscenes that arent directly related to the plot or gameplay is less cost-effective nowadays but, again, FL brought a lot of moolah, so by all means throw it around like this 🔥

[timber plaza]

FL first timers has never experience what Dedede did in TDX right before Hypernova vs Sectonia smh

[lapis reef]

Give us some cute in engine cutscenes. They don't all have to be pre-rendered cinema

[junior zealot]

i feel like elfilin's kidnapping probably had a lot more impact to younger kids since elfilin has a lot of optional tutorials that you simply never get if you are good at the game (kids are likely not that good at the game)

[fast crest]

I feel like a big thing regarding characterisation is that they might not want it to get in the way of gameplay, for those who don't particularly care for it, at least until the end where the big bosses are all talking to the player and getting 'em all tensed up for the final battle

[twin junco]

never forget what they took from us

[timber plaza]

Awww dedede saved waddle dee! BUT HAVE YOU SEEN DEDEDE SAVING KIRBY AS HE SMILES IN THE MOST HANDSOME WAY

[fast crest]

At least, that is how I feel regarding modern Kirby and how characters are typically portrayed in the series

[sage jewel]

magolor is also a really good example of characterization in these games

[timber plaza]

You know the cutscene is peak when they use Dedede’s dialogue as cutscene name (Japan exclusive I think)

[fast crest]

Talking to Magolor is a choice for the most part, so gleaning anything from him can be missed until the big twist...

[timber plaza]

MAGOLOR

MAGOLOR MENTIONED

AHHHH

[lapis reef]

I feel like if you miss characterization etc because you were rushing through the game and not doing anything optional, that's on you

[twin junco]

im john magolor
inventor of the magolor

[fast crest]

Hey, less cutscenes to interrupt a speedrun!

[junior zealot]

absolute cinema

[timber plaza]

Plus it’s not even new thing
It’s like Pokemon, you can speed through the dialogue, or you can legit not talk to every NPC in the town

[sage jewel]

magolor is very present in the narrative
the entire story revolves around helping him repair his ship, which acts as the hub
he speaks to you and directs you everywhere you go
he directly takes you to his "home planet" as an "act of benevolence" after you repair his ship

[lapis reef]

I actually think it's a good thing. People who want to engage with the characters and side stuff can. People who just wanna beat up bosses and run through levels can skip it.

Options are good

[sage jewel]

the entire game's story is about kirby and co becoming friends with magolor

whilst forgotten land's is about stopping da beast pack also elfilin is there until he becomes really important out of nowhere

[fast crest]

But you can skip a lot of the dialogue in between worlds and miss out on some of his sneakier side, especially the Freudian slips in RtDL DX

[junior zealot]

well elfilin does have dialogue where he's like "man kirby please lets help waddle dees they did so much for me"

[timber plaza]

My mother during her first FL gameplay: What is this green Pokemon looking thing doing. He’s not doing anything— why was he kidnapped

[junior zealot]

i think FL's problem is that since Elfilin always floats around with you its much easier to miss actually interesting conversations with him in the main game

and in the kirby's house when he's an npc he never says those things lol

[autumn turret]

I'll still never get over FL's after-elfilis celebration
Nothing in the series has ever felt more 'that... should've been a cutscene they animated out and showed us'

[cloud olive]

they just need to have an indicator of when there's new dialogue

like FL did lol

[timber plaza]

“Why didn’t Dedede kidnap Kirby instead”

(Fights Elfilis) “Did Elfilin evolved”

[junior zealot]

yeah only FL still has a huge problem of with that dialogue being either easily missable 😭

[fast crest]

I feel like they want to deliberately not show us certain things and leave it up to imagination at times

[junior zealot]

all bandee's best dialogue can be seen only before you start first proper level

isnt that. crazy

like you cant just see it again if you go on a warp star

[lapis reef]

And you can't talk to Bandee at all if you're in multiplayer

[timber plaza]

And also you can’t even see some of the Bandee dialogue if you have him as a player character lol

I legit told my mother to leave the game just to read his dialogue

[sage jewel]

FL should have had an NPC bandana dee ally mode like DL3 had for gooey

[autumn turret]

Can we have a round of applause for Fecto Forgo being the only dude in existence who's tried to use Kirby in any way
no dark matter possessions, no- ok well ig void copied his face but that wasn't an active decision
Forgo at least tried to grab kirby before it managed to catch elfilin and said 'ok that's enough I'm perfect now'

[junior zealot]

i tried to rationalize this by saying that switch 1 would explode if all beast pack members were in one cutscene. but then i remember that such cutscene literally exists in forgo dreams

so actually disregard me here

[cloud olive]

kirby clones

mecha kirby

[timber plaza]

Fecto Kirbilis

[autumn turret]

Dedede doesn't count smh smh

[fast crest]

That's more or less how I feel, yeah. Less interruption to gameplay to keep the flow smooth, and dialogue for those who seek it - kinda like how the Kirby franchise in general likes to hide challenge away to be discovered by experienced players

[ruby geode]

I sometimes wonder what fucked up thing would elfilis be if it aborbed kirby I bet there's some fan design/OC of that otherwise feels like a missed opportunity

[junior zealot]

but yeah i think with FL HAL was just prioritizing the most important cutscenes and more. theoretically, fun ones

werent prioritized because

well its probably already the most ambitious project they ever done

cant imagine it was very cheap to make

[cloud olive]

pink elfilis 🏳️‍⚧️

[timber plaza]

Fecto Forgo with Kirby face

[junior zealot]

i can only imagine that they probably can do more exciting things with this in the future

now that they know that FL is loved and sold a lot

[sage jewel]

isn't FL the best selling game in the series by a landslide

[junior zealot]

oh yeah

at least in terms of physical copies

[sage jewel]

or did the og outsell it still

[junior zealot]

nah

dream land 1 is 5 million

[timber plaza]

FL by a lot

And with SCW, probably more now

[junior zealot]

FL is 7.5 million the last time sales were reported

[autumn turret]

Next game will outsell FL by 1 copy

[twin junco]

kirby and the remembered land

[ruby geode]

switch games sell so well it's insane

[sage jewel]

man

[junior zealot]

i wish we had eshop sales data on kirby games tho

[timber plaza]

Lowkey Air Riders are good contenders

[junior zealot]

like

[ruby geode]

same

[sage jewel]

kirby air riders is probably gonna be a hit too

[junior zealot]

im sure star allies and rtdx sold even better but we will never know because they didnt reach 12 million sales for nintendo to report it on their site

[timber plaza]

Best selling spinoff 100%

[cloud olive]

it'll probably take a while for air riders to reach those highs considering there will be a limit on how many ppl even have the system rn

[broken sapphire]

i think t-WAIT WHAT THE FUCK I JUST CLIPPED THROUGH THE FLOOR WITH STAIRS MOUTH

[sage jewel]

how many switch 2 original games are there so far

[cloud olive]

i'd be curious to see lifetime though

[sage jewel]

mario kart world, donkey kong bananza...?

[fast crest]

Using Kirby over outright killing 'em, I take it? (Like what Necrodeus tried.)

Also, using Kirby... Defined another way, that is Marx and Magolor, lol.

[broken sapphire]

i wanted to say "i think that kirby air riders will be a game that even many non-kirby fans buy like forgotten land"

but i got interrupted by discovering a brand new fucking glitch in forgotten land i guess!??!?!?!

[junior zealot]

not a huge accomplishment considering most kirby spin-offs sold kinda Bad

[ruby geode]

it is funny to see the million sellers though because you can tell it's by platform like, what do you mean pinball land sold more than return to dream land and robobot

[autumn turret]

Actually I've known about that glitch since 2017 you idiot

[junior zealot]

100% rtdx sold more with digital sales but yeah. gameboy is funny.

[cloud olive]

the gameboy craze was crazy

[lapis reef]

I know multiple people not into Kirby who grew up playing pinball land just because it was pinball on the Gameboy

[ruby geode]

also I still believe star allies already passed DL but we don't have that data 😔

[sage jewel]

the pokemon franchise still competes with it's first entries

[junior zealot]

like rtdx was in eshop's top 10 for a while right. the game probably has like 3 million sales with eshop copies alone but we will never know

because nintendo doesnt reveal those numbers

[timber plaza]

Rtdldx is still in like pretty decent place in the weekly sales ranking lol

[broken sapphire]

what the flip

[junior zealot]

i also believe that

[junior zealot]

even now?

that's staying power

[timber plaza]

Not as much as FL but

[junior zealot]

well i mean, still

[timber plaza]

It’s still going strong

[junior zealot]

considering it's a 2d game AND a remake

thats impressive

[broken sapphire]

IM LITERALLY STUCK IN THE GROUND

[autumn turret]

Looks like a massive skill issue to me

[broken sapphire]

BEING HARASSED BY THIS CORORI'S SNOWBALLS

[fast crest]

First party exclusives... Not exactly a lot, no. Third parties and indies have a few more exclusives, but the list is not exactly huge

[junior zealot]

cororis are vicious things

[timber plaza]

Kirby fans hating on corori

[ruby geode]

oh right we are more than 1 year without new data boo

[fervent ice]

I remember Metroid Dread selling fairly well and that was a franchise not use to high sales, there’s that Switch Effect™

[cloud olive]

they should have done this if you fail the scw corori mission

[broken sapphire]

I SPAT OUT THE STAIRS AND JUST FULL ON CLIPPED THROUGH THE FLOOR

[junior zealot]

magical things happen when you put effort into advertising on a console that a lot of people own

[timber plaza]

RTDLDX still gets some decent advertisement so I think there’s that

[sage jewel]

kirby air riders being one of the first 1st party switch 2 exclusives will probably give it a big boost

[timber plaza]

And Magolor boost is strong

Kirby fans buy RTDLDX when they get switch/2

I contribute to 5 of these sales

(I only have 5 copies)

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[junior zealot]

personally the thought that air riders is how some non-kirby fans will first engage with the likes of bandana dee, magolor, gooey and susie tickles me

it tickles me a lot

people are forced to confront all these Freaks

/affectionate

[lapis reef]

Now the question is if this is useful

[timber plaza]

I love looking at peoples reactions and people went nuts over Magolor and Gooey and than Susie showed up and half of them went :|

[broken sapphire]

i think it might be possible to hover after that and just fly out of bounds??? but i gotta figure how how the hell i did this first

[timber plaza]

“Who is this woman”

[lapis reef]

Deserved /mean

[autumn turret]

This is what happens when PR sold 0 copies

[fast crest]

Choctopus making Vernias sad by proxy of him not knowing Susie, lmao

[ruby geode]

more proof that we need TD and PR on switch, more people need to experience peak kirby

[cloud olive]

they're setting up for robobot 2

[junior zealot]

kirby fans be like

"planet robobot is so iconic"

[fervent ice]

Air Riders looks like the first game that looks like a Switch 2 game to me. MKW and DKB started as Switch 1 projects and I don’t get the impression they push the hardware as much as future games will/could.

[junior zealot]

non-kirby fans: planet whobobot?

[ruby geode]

LOL

[timber plaza]

“We want Taranza!!”
The general audience would not know Taranza unless they’re Kirby fan
Also 3DS game moment, and pretty much decade old. These kids don’t know who they are

[sage jewel]

planet robobot is the bowser's inside story of kirby

[timber plaza]

Replaced by Elfilin

[fast crest]

oh god, do NOT say that

[junior zealot]

well this is how you get new kids to know the likes of taranza and susie

[fast crest]

I don't want my opinion of peak Kirby lowered

[timber plaza]

But I want N-Z!!!!!

[sage jewel]

smash bros revived several entire franchises and characters just by having them included in it

[autumn turret]

Didn't Bowser's Inside Story sell incredibly well for M&L

[junior zealot]

if you think taranza will elicit no reactions

i doubt n-z will

[timber plaza]

N-Z solos

[autumn turret]

Planet Robobot is more like TTYD

[junior zealot]

yeah its the best selling mario rpg

[cloud olive]

it's the best selling one by far

[sage jewel]

yeah as like

[timber plaza]

Automatically 10000 billion sales

[autumn turret]

Game that's highly regarded as the best by its fans but didn't actually sell well

[timber plaza]

[sage jewel]

a title dedicated fans swoon over but outsiders aren't aware of

precisely

[junior zealot]

tbh robobot didnt sell horribly either its just like

[timber plaza]

Deserved

[fast crest]

Yes, but that's exactly my issue... I don't exactly have a high opinion of Mario RPGs.

[junior zealot]

its a new 3ds release in 2016

the same year pokemon sun and moon came out

[timber plaza]

Noble mid

[junior zealot]

it didnt have a chance

[cloud olive]

also this discussion is wildly offbase from scw 😭

[ruby geode]

this concept of robobot not being known doesn't still make sense to me, I still remember everyone talked about it when it released

[autumn turret]

Star-Crossed World has a hidden HAL room where you can play all of Planet Robobot trust

[timber plaza]

Can you believe Star Dream drilled through the meteor??

That was craziest SCW moment

[fervent ice]

Star-Crossed Detours

[lapis reef]

Honestly my opinion when Robobot had ads on tv was "well that looks dumb. Did they run out of ideas?"

[junior zealot]

i think its nintendo 64 effect. less people owned the console and there were less notable releases so more people discussed them, even if in the grand scheme of things it wasnt THAT much people

[fast crest]

can we just repost Ishikawa Dubstep as we move this conversation to #kirby-kingdom or wherever it's supposed to be

[wild stirrup]

My favorite part of star crossed world was finding Max Haltmann's charred dust pile

[lapis reef]

Spoilers!!!

[fast crest]

HUH?

[timber plaza]

Erm erm this is the second time we go off-SCW-topic in last 30 mins!!!!!

[junior zealot]

my favorite moment of star crossed world was discovering susie's half-eaten ice cream cone in alivel mall

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-undertale-asriel-gif-13926646602041095913

[autumn turret]

This was lowkey my reaction to every new Kirby game from when I started being a Kirby fan up until SKC
I saw 3DX and said 'that looks like shit', I saw PR and said 'that looks like shit'
Wait actually I didn't say that about SA I think

[wild stirrup]

FDHFJFKHDHFB

[timber plaza]

My favorite in SCW was finding Magolor’s buckle that he lost from Magolor Epilogue
It tasted good

[junior zealot]

funnily enough, i thought that too before i played it lol

[timber plaza]

[ruby geode]

the kirby series was never good until FL that finally made kirby 3D, before it was just like NSMB slop

||jokes that make me physically in pain||

[fervent ice]

My favorite SCW moment was seeing Kumazaki and his dev team doing a ritual in a secret room to become armless.

[lapis reef]

You unlock ||Magolor as a playable character if you inhale it|| for those who don't know

[junior zealot]

if only hal put 3ds duology on switch(es)...

[timber plaza]

This is the exact reason why I died

I can’t believe Magolor sung a cover of welcome to the new world with acoustic guitar on top of Kirby’s house at 3am

[lapis reef]

It was beautiful

[fast crest]

Does he know?

[junior zealot]

bro should get off kirby's house

[ruby geode]

legit though actual SCW spoilers related ||at this point I don't even though anymore we will get TD/PR ports with new content like what happened to FL because kuma wants to tie lore and stuff even more, first was RtDLD, now FL+SCW, what is next||

[timber plaza]

Emotional bonding

[sage jewel]

the problem with a kirby two-in-one is that hal would totally make an arena twice the length of the pantheon of hallownest

[junior zealot]

is that a problem

or a challenge

[sage jewel]

ok RTDL DX's true arena SUCKED

[timber plaza]

||he’s cooking for 35th and 40th anniversary game||

[broken sapphire]

||kirby's dream collection 2 where everything has pause screen descriptions, duh||

[junior zealot]

i liked it :(

[timber plaza]

RTDLDX ARENA SLANDER

IM GOING TO BAN EVERYONE

[fervent ice]

The solution is putting in the Knight from HK as a playable character.

[broken sapphire]

rtdl dx true arena is PEAK

[fast crest]

Oh lord, now that would be a Superspicy Curry take if someone unironically believed this

[timber plaza]

RTDLDX TA IS MY BELOVED

I LIVE IN THERE

THARS MY HOUSE

[sage jewel]

well i didn't like it as an abilityless loyalist

[broken sapphire]

don't doxx yourself

[ruby geode]

sadly there are many people who unironically think that or almost that

[junior zealot]

tbh in hindsight. after SCW and RTDX. those games need more fleshed out approach so bad. like you can sense kuma's vision that simply went unrealized due to inexperience/hardware/budget constraints.

[timber plaza]

I live inside Merry Magoland’s basement

[autumn turret]

||Kuma when he makes a 3DX remake and Sectonia just eats 4 gem apples in the True Arena DX||

[timber plaza]

😭 😭 😭 😭

[ruby geode]

true, kuma is so powerful now. no one can stop him (good thing)

[lapis reef]

I've come to the conclusion that I just don't really care for the 3ds as a console. I feel like for all the series I'm into (ok, there's only two), the fanbase's favorite is a 3ds title and I'm just like "it's ok. I just can't really get into it"

While I'd rather new games over remakes, maybe I'd like Robobot more on Switch 😂

[fast crest]

Just a consequence of the Kirby gameplay loop being mostly the same since 2009, huh?

[timber plaza]

I bought TDX because Dedede

[sage jewel]

it's probably fun if you're blazing through it with hammer or something but i hate fighting goriath twice in one arena with no abilities

[junior zealot]

kirby fans when triple deluxe + taranza's fury has eternal dream playing during new phase of sectonia's fight in the truest arena

[autumn turret]

||(This causes her to look exactly like Genwel Meteonelfilis when he does the stupid star shape)||

[ruby geode]

I think most people who say "wow kirby games all the same" probably never played any recent ones

and tbh even if some feel similar like TD and PR I don't care they're peak so it's peak and peak 2

[timber plaza]

Kirby game is all the same
You play as Kirby 99% of the time smh

[junior zealot]

tbh even if they are genuine i just dont see it as a problem, myself

when i finished triple deluxe i was like "wow this was so good i wish there was more"

[timber plaza]

That 1% is Drum Dash Deluxe (we will get a remake someday)

[junior zealot]

planet robobot is that. its more of what i liked

[lapis reef]

From an outside perspective, modern 2d Kirby do all kinda look the same

It's not true if you play them

But like, just looking at the boxes

[fast crest]

Is Mt. Dedede peak?

... okay I'm sorry for that one

[autumn turret]

I will personally never understand 'wow I like this game but if this series is good the next game should have none of the elements of this game I liked'

[ruby geode]

but yes one of the reasons FL also sold so well is because many non-fans saw it and went "wow finally kirby trying something new and going 3D"

[junior zealot]

i dont think marketing for the series was all that strong at the time

[sage jewel]

2010s kirby is very much "more of the same" for every new title

[junior zealot]

LITERALLY LIKE

[fervent ice]

What annoys me with this is a lot of people that say that love a series that’s also guilty of it but they turn a blind eye because bias.

[sage jewel]

it all depends on how much you liked the same

[neat shuttle]

Didn't a YouTuber tried them all and basically said the modern ones just felt samey which I kinda can't agree with in the end lol

[junior zealot]

which one

multiple ones did

(I hated that trend)

[lapis reef]

I mean, there's only so many ways you can shake up gameplay without changing the identity of a series

[fast crest]

Not just non-fans, I'm sure pretty much EVERYONE saw KFL and was amazed at the fact that Kirby was actually making the Video Game 3D Leap it had been denied almost 20 years prior

[neat shuttle]

not important then if multiple ones did it

[junior zealot]

if youtuber wants to say something about kirby 8/10 times its something very stupid

its a fact

[neat shuttle]

well as Kirby fans it's easy to dismiss YouTubers and Press

[lapis reef]

I actually felt dread

It worked out

But I was afraid it would be the first Kirby I hated

[ruby geode]

oh yes of course I just meant like, the non-fans weren't buying kirby games so that's why the sales were higher

[neat shuttle]

lol

[fast crest]

Well, I dunno, there's value in mixing up the formula. The question is how much...

[junior zealot]

i still think that its not even that that fl was 3d. its just its like the first modern game that had genuinely amazing marketing

star allies also had above average marketing and sales showcase that

[broken sapphire]

i think the modern rtdl-style quartet of games only feels samey if you play them all in a row, because they all control basically the same unlike most other kirby games
which is probably why nathaniel bandy compared them to new super mario bros when he 100% completed every mainline game in like a couple days for a challenge video

[ruby geode]

yeah I guess I'm just not super familiar with marketing, but yes the switch effect also helped

[fast crest]

I fully believe that Kirby and the Forgotten Land is the Kirby franchise's paradigm shift

[neat shuttle]

meanwhile RTDL Deluxe had a bit more marketing and... people don't seem to care about that game

[junior zealot]

nah western marketing for RTDX kinda sucked tbh

[fast crest]

Not only is the game going crazier than all past games, everything surrounding it also goes crazy

[junior zealot]

and even then the game was a strong seller digitally, just not physically.

[autumn turret]

hot take (?) modern Kirby games are closer to the difference between NSMB with Wonder than the difference between NSMB games

[lapis reef]

And again, there's only so many ways you can change things without just turning it into a different series

[timber plaza]

Forgotten Land summoning millions of people claiming that they’ve been Kirby fan since the year of 2000

[junior zealot]

people praise mario wonder for all the things kirby fans liked about 2010s kirby ngl

ive been always saying it

[fast crest]

specifically, thinking about how Kumazaki's leveraging different things to suddenly drop new pieces of lore for us (30th anniversary concert and the introduction of NEICHEL)

[twin junco]

mario wonder looked real nice but was kinda lacking in some areas

[ruby geode]

YOU GET ME WONDER IS JUST A MODERN KIRBY GAME

[timber plaza]

My brain thought the orb was dark matter

[broken sapphire]

Star Allies summoning millions of people claiming they've known all of Kirby lore since Dark Matter was introduced

(including me tbf)

[stuck ether]

Guys there's no lore

It's just hype moments

[junior zealot]

i really like mario wonder but its like. it didnt change the paradigm of 2d mario it literally just changed enough to feel fresh and exciting. it didnt introduce any mind-blowing new mechanics or fundamentally changed 2d mario. it just had fresh locations, enemies, level gimmicks

its all you need for a good 2d platformer imo

[lapis reef]

||It's basically Genwel's third phase tbh||

[junior zealot]

i was cooking 2 years ago

[ruby geode]

wait right this is the SCW spoiler channel

[autumn turret]

People endlessly praise how different wonder is and I'm just sitting here like
This game looks like fucking NSMB
Like yea it is wildly different
...relative to how similar the 4 NSMB games were to each other but like take that context away and its like
That's just an NSMB sequel y'all the opposite of spoiled

[stuck ether]

Oh yeah so I'm going to talk about the one and ||lonely|| final boss

[junior zealot]

well anyway uhhh despite SCW just being a dlc of a switch 1 game

it still has a decent buzz so

i think kirby will keep getting more attention from now on, which is nice

[autumn turret]

Actually I hate buzzsaw cutter

[broken sapphire]

it's very nice that kirby is actually fucking early to a nintendo console for ONCE

[stuck ether]

-# Nevermind IDK where to go from here

[junior zealot]

but you can saw enemies with it...

[sage jewel]

kirby was early to switch 💔

[ruby geode]

it is nice except due to wikirby documentation and lack of datamining

[broken sapphire]

still took a year

[sage jewel]

well early by its own standards

[junior zealot]

probably helps that console in question is not that different from the previous one

[timber plaza]

And not just one game

TWO GAME 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[twin junco]

NOBODY liked base star allies 💔

[lapis reef]

I did

[stuck ether]

I still think the "earliest" a Kirby game has arrived to a generation was for the Switch

[junior zealot]

i mean if no one did then how did it sell so well

[broken sapphire]

has there literally ever been a kirby game that released in the same year as its console

[twin junco]

ONE PERSON liked base star allies 💔

[sage jewel]

kirby star allies didnt sell as well as forgotten land because it was critically panned yeah

[autumn turret]

maybe if you saw the writing on the wall you'd realize it sucks, but every time you try it just bounces off smh smh

[fast crest]

I would worry about Kirby as a franchise if it somehow goes through that anguish of a Kirby Maker existing, making people think Kirby games are now obsolete then having HAL spend an obscene amount of time coming up with something fresh for Kirby to beat the allegations

[junior zealot]

nintendo youtubers bitching about the game doesnt mean much

[ruby geode]

it was that or DS

[broken sapphire]

canvas curse released 4 months after the nintendo ds but it was still in the next year

[stuck ether]

""Nobody"" liked Star Allies after everyone bought Star Allies

[ruby geode]

actually yeah I think switch was a bit earlier by only some months

[timber plaza]

It’s like, genuinely crazy that we’re getting 2 huge Kirby content (even tho SCW is a DLC, it’s still huge stuff) in half a year

[sage jewel]

while kirby fans were having an all you could eat buffet the game was largely seen by outsiders as a bad example of "finish it later" at the time

[twin junco]

then it got absolute peak updates

[junior zealot]

nintendo fans are just kinda stupid

[fast crest]

I don't think that Kirby would have to go through a phase like that like what Mario Wonder did for 2D Mario, given KFL

[ruby geode]

I did

many peopel did

[junior zealot]

i have my own issues with SA but yknow

finish it later argument was never applicable to it

[ruby geode]

but I won't defend KSA for the millionth time

[twin junco]

TWO OR MORE PEOPLE liked base star allies 💔

[autumn turret]

There are unfortunately no intelligent video game fans

[ruby geode]

actually true

[timber plaza]

KSA let me play as Dedede so automatically S tier

[ruby geode]

all gamers are stupid

[stuck ether]

Really the unenjoyment of Star Allies comes from like, hindsight. Because NGL I quite enjoyed my first playthrough of the story

[broken sapphire]

ermm i have an iq of 131 and i like video games so POINT DISPROVEN 🤓🤓🤓🤓

[cloud olive]

games are the best thing ever, gamers are the worst thing ever 🔥

[sage jewel]

i think the criticisms against base star allies are very valid but i still loved it on release

[junior zealot]

tbh while id like for kirby maker to exist, i feel like kirby's appeal is so fundamentally above simple level packs that maker experience cant fully capture the wonder of a new 2d kirby

new 2d kirby means new exciting bosses, new silly enemies, new cool locations. more new awesome music

2d mario has none of that

[neat shuttle]

I don't wanna talk about it and add to the negativity

[broken sapphire]

i honestly can't even imagine what a kirby kaizo level would look like

[ruby geode]

seriously though SCW level design made me think of PR level design of how peak it is, so I'm curious what they do in a next 3D game

[twin junco]

cant float

[junior zealot]

can it really exist when kirby has a healthbar

[autumn turret]

I really can't imagine a kirby make or a maker for a lot of series would be as successful as mario maker
Mario's inherent mechanics just vibe well with custom fan creations really well in a way many other series don't

[cloud olive]

kaizo would work well with FL

[broken sapphire]

it would have to be 1 health, no hover, double speed, no items, final destination, fox only

[stuck ether]

Kirby's Dreamland 1, 1 HP

[junior zealot]

except for also mega man

[fast crest]

IDK, I feel like a hallmark of a lot of Kirby games is that their timing on many consoles prior to Switch meant that they tended to push the limits of the consoles they released on, its contemporaries from other Nintendo franchises not doing so quite as much due to being a launch title or close to it in comparison

[ruby geode]

why have kirby maker when we can have kirby gacha /hj

[stuck ether]

With the most bullshit enemy placement imaginable

[junior zealot]

which is why mega man maker is this popular (as far as fangames go)

[broken sapphire]

yes please

[cloud olive]

/srs.

[stuck ether]

Seriously so MANY of these goons just pop in outta nowhere

[broken sapphire]

the only good gacha game that could ever exist

[junior zealot]

only reason i want kirby gacha is for new delictible artwork we would be getting frequently

[fast crest]

KFL is absolutely that game for Kirby on Switch 1, but Star Allies coming earlier means it was kinda rough around the edges in comparison to the usual HAL fare

[junior zealot]

pokemon can do it.

[timber plaza]

Still genuinely waiting for Kirby gacha game
I have so much ideas and concepts for it

[junior zealot]

kirby can do it too

[broken sapphire]

every kirby game since triple deluxe is basically a gacha already because of all the randomly obtained collectibles

[stuck ether]

"Ah nice, a 3 star Kirby"

[broken sapphire]

most obviously forgotten land with literal gacha machines

[cloud olive]

having to ping everyone to tell people not to spend all their money on kirby gacha :ICANT:

[stuck ether]

"Ah nice, a 4 star Adeleine with different hair"

[broken sapphire]

Adeleine (focused)

[junior zealot]

its foreshadowing for the actual gacha coming soon ™

[stuck ether]

"Ergh, another Ribbon? Not even 64 star either... I'm feeding you to the queen"

[twin junco]

why did they do that

[junior zealot]

itd be funny if we got a kirby gacha app before we got new kirby anime or a kirby rpg

[twin junco]

adeleine (constipated)

[broken sapphire]

evil adeleine was too much work as they couldn't just reuse her star allies model

[autumn turret]

Me when I hit pity to pull Fecto Elfilis (From the reality where they ate a bunch of Dale instead and are now the perfect daleform)

[stuck ether]

Her doughy face is incapable of looking evil

[sage jewel]

it just keeps going

[pastel ravine]

No more, I get enough gacha from the gotchapon machines

[broken sapphire]

LMAOO

[twin junco]

https://tenor.com/view/adeleine-dies-flataline-kirby-waddle-dee-gif-13078576321641370930

[pastel ravine]

This is peak level design

[junior zealot]

drawing elfilis in a maid outfit is popular japanese fanart trend

[fast crest]

Fast autoscroll, crushing walls...? Specific abilities to be used to overcome obstacles that will kill you if you get it wrong.

[junior zealot]

do you think they would reference it in a kirby gacha app

[stuck ether]

What if we just switched one of these stumps?

[twin junco]

what am i LOOKING at

[lapis reef]

Peak Kirby level design

[pastel ravine]

Wait, the perfect kaizo kirby stage would be an extended version of that crushing cutter puzzle

[sage jewel]

kirby gacha power creep where the newest unit mogs magolor with the power of galactic nova and it's fucking. Ribbon With Long Hair

[twin junco]

ok so yall remember that one level from star allies before you fight kracko

[stuck ether]

How about a friend crusher?

[pastel ravine]

Y’know, the one with the rope

[stuck ether]

What if we made it faster?

[fast crest]

... you literally just put the image into my head of possessed Adeleine's face being her "locked in" face, complete with meme reel in my head

[lapis reef]

Boss fights with insta death pits

[pastel ravine]

It’s really hard to describe, my bad

[junior zealot]

kirby kaizo level is that one room in the great cave offensive where if you stand too long you will be crushed into the wall that has firey skull on it

[stuck ether]

Kaizo Kirby where it's an actual fucking platformer

[autumn turret]

||Me pulling out photo mode as I watch Maid Fecto Elfilis dance to NEICHEL's Last Song (Finished) in Kirby Idols in Another Dimension||

[stuck ether]

Floating instantly grounds you

[junior zealot]

when you start floating kracko comes by and shoots you with lightning to death

[sage jewel]

idol fans when their oshi interacts with a man vs kirby fans when meta knight interacts with a man

[fast crest]

The crushing areas from that one Eternal Engines level in RtDL, but that's the entire fucking level

[autumn turret]

||Fecto makes (the most fucked up looking) heart with their crazy ass hands and you hear me clicking the photo mode 6000 time- wait this is just yukkuri playing RtDL DX||

[junior zealot]

tbh im just happy that series is in such good place right now that we can imagine these crazy things in discussions like these and they dont feel totally infeasible

[ruby geode]

same

[timber plaza]

WHAT

[fast crest]

||Putting in the image of a producer Waddle Dee where you have to raise the Deedly Dees to stardom||

[sage jewel]

kirby gacha game isn't happening because hal respects it's franchise

[timber plaza]

BRO DONT CALLED ME OUT LIKE THAT

[stuck ether]

I'd like some of this Forgotten Land philosophy to be carried over to the next games, both 2D and 3D

[neat shuttle]

The next jukebox mode will be an orchestra of Waddle Dees

[junior zealot]

clash games exist

[neat shuttle]

not just a band

[twin junco]

i wanna use morpho sword in more gwmes

[junior zealot]

i wouldnt say that they are totally above such a thing

[stuck ether]

especially the figurine descriptions

[sage jewel]

touché

[stuck ether]

RTDLDX unfortunately has stuck with pause lore

[sage jewel]

but also clash actively bans you from giving it too much money

[junior zealot]

with rtdx i think its just the fact that its a remake

[sage jewel]

which is really funny

[junior zealot]

and it tries to be mostly faithful

[sage jewel]

the devs have too much honor

[fast crest]

Watch them do that and hide the Kirby 35th Anniversary logo somewhere on the stage due to timing

[junior zealot]

they simply should do the same with kirby gacha

[stuck ether]

But since TDX kickstarted the fun secondary collectable, I'm certain their eventual remakes will get something like it

[lapis reef]

Only tkcd
Skc lets you spend whatever you want, though I do think they still warn you it's unnecessary

[broken sapphire]

kirby gacha game lore: a new villain called Dark Gambler travels through another dimension to transform every kirby character from every parallel into collectible pngs, and only the original kirby can save them by collecting them all!

[sage jewel]

gachas live on whales who love their scrimblos unfortunately

[stuck ether]

(TDX-DX about to drop lore on things not even in the damned game)

[fast crest]

... once again, I must ask why RtDX when people are saying TDX

AGAIN, IT'S NOT RETURN TO DELUXE

[lapis reef]

I admit, I have no idea what the appeal of a gacha game is

[fast crest]

WHERE'S THE DREAM LAND

[sage jewel]

characters

[stuck ether]

Who said RTDX?

Are you sure you're not quick reading?

[broken sapphire]

on popstar

[sage jewel]

characters are the number 1 priority for gacha games

if they dont have characters they have nothing

[stuck ether]

Ok but what do the characters do

[fast crest]

I am absolutely sure I'm not quickreading, Zerbie

[stuck ether]

Do we gamble for their performance?

[sage jewel]

be quirky and charming

[lapis reef]

Sorry, I meant, "what's the appeal of actually playing when someone will probably just compile images of all the stuff in it and you don't have to put up with the terrible gacha system"

[stuck ether]

That's Klu

[sage jewel]

entice you to love them

[stuck ether]

But oh ok yeah no I see it-

[sage jewel]

devotion and sunk cost fallacy

[fast crest]

(I get that it's a mouthful to say RtDLDX, but I've also never heard them abbreviate Triple Deluxe before so I dunno what they use for that)

[sage jewel]

most gacha games have dog water gameplay but people keep going anyways because they want to see their favorite characters

[fervent ice]

I can’t believe I actually played Mario Kart Tour for a time.

[sage jewel]

i think cookie run kingdom is a great example because it has phenomenal characters and world building but the actual gameplay makes me want to throw up

[cloud olive]

It pretty much is the same thrill from gambling

[fast crest]

Kirby gacha would be the end of days for this franchise, I swear

[cloud olive]

Just actually getting a random pull

[stuck ether]

But why gamble currency for a chance to possess a person when I can just go out in the wild, rough them up, then throw a sphere to collect them myself?

[fast crest]

imagine rolling for Aeon Hero (Dark)

[junior zealot]

Its faster to type

[fast crest]

and you keep getting Bandee Common

[lapis reef]

I use RtDX too

It's easier

[cloud olive]

In other words you should never spend money on this shit lol

[stuck ether]

RTX

[junior zealot]

Rtdldx looks tacky to me

[sage jewel]

gacha games are, in a sense, a form of psychological manipulation to customers

[fast crest]

Then at least explain what you abbreviate Triple Deluxe to, you two

[timber plaza]

Wow we’re going offtopic again 😭

[fervent ice]

RtDLDXWNFMFDftDMCS&K

[broken sapphire]

I NEED TO GAMBLE FOR KIRBY CHARACTER AND I NEED IT NOW

but yes i agree yukkuri

[timber plaza]

Blaming king /j

[lapis reef]

Gacha games just feel like "everyone complains about loot boxes in other games, but somehow they want lootbox-the-game"

[stuck ether]

Gambling is a miserable experience

[lapis reef]

TDX

[junior zealot]

in the fan circles rtdl is fairly commonly seen abbreviation so i just kinda combined rtdl and dx into rtdx

[sage jewel]

i'll actually try to move the conversation this time

[junior zealot]

Fusion from SU or Dragon Ball

[fast crest]

I think we're probably in that period where everyone has discussed the spoilers at length so much that it's hard to say anything more

[stuck ether]

At least Kirby throws in a bone where a set amount of dupes will result in a guaranteed new object

[fast crest]

and even if we want to, maybe we're just waiting until we don't need to black bar it

[stuck ether]

Anyways, gotta check when this whole embargo lifts-

[fast crest]

That's kinda why I have an issue, though. Triple Deluxe is either "TDX" or "3DX" depending on the person...

[broken sapphire]

ktd

[autumn turret]

I will come and kill you if you call it KTD

[stuck ether]

Ok it's not going to explicitly lift but I assume by the end of the week we'll be allowed to discuss every level sans the final boss and postgame in the other channel

[fast crest]

I always abbreviate "Deluxe" to DX

[broken sapphire]

you'll have to kill all of wikirby in that case

[stuck ether]

KRTDLD

KSSU

[junior zealot]

Well i mean. Tdx has no R in front of it

[fast crest]

Return Triple Deluxe?

[timber plaza]

RTDLDX

[autumn turret]

Washed ass wiki smh

[junior zealot]

Then HAL will release a switch 2 edition bundle for return to dream land deluxe with triple deluxe port as a bonus game and we will have to call that rtdx

[fast crest]

I'm just glad tbh that KFL's abbreviation is real simple

[stuck ether]

RTDLDX+TDX

[junior zealot]

Personally i blame HAL with an obsession with the word Deluxe

Smh

[autumn turret]

The only way wikirby can redeem itself is if they use the acronym KatFL-NS2E+SCW

[stuck ether]

KFLS2E+SCW

[broken sapphire]

it uses KatFL SCW

[autumn turret]

Washed ass wiki

[stuck ether]

Cat fall skew?

[broken sapphire]

damn

[fast crest]

'tis true. Kirby Super Deluxe started all this.
-# Blame Sakurai, in other words.

[junior zealot]

Actually blame Shigesato Itoi

Iirc he came up with the title

[stuck ether]

Yeah that's what the cat girl does in the fight

[fast crest]

Wait, Itoi came up with the JP title of KSS?

Huh...

[junior zealot]

Yeah i think so

[fast crest]

Guess that tracks, Ape were involved with that game

[junior zealot]

HAL helped with Mother 2's development

So Itoi helped out Sakurai with Kirby a little bit

[neat shuttle]

he came up with the box art

[junior zealot]

Ohhh

My mistake

Then blame Sakurai yeah

[fast crest]

Well there you go lmao

[neat shuttle]

what a peak boxart honestly

[junior zealot]

Yeah its very stylish

[fast crest]

Also, on the note of abbreviations

I don't use KatFL only because of Sonic, of all things

because it has to do with how I don't like abbreviating Amazing Mirror to KatAM

reminds me a little too much of SatAM

hence why I prefer KAM and KFL instead

[neat shuttle]

I'm sorry for Kat

[fast crest]

... though KFL does make it sound like a football league

[lapis reef]

When I'm in Kirby circles, the K often feels redundant

[autumn turret]

Well you'll never find yourself in a Kirby square outside of april fools

[lapis reef]

And a real shame

[fast crest]

so long as we don't suddenly start referring to the franchise by "HnK" for "Hoshi no Kirby" and confuse it for Fist of the North Star

I think we will be fine

[stuck ether]

Honk

[broken sapphire]

Kirby and Mirror

[neat shuttle]

HnK3

[autumn turret]

HnK is forever reserved for the anime

I will never tolerate this abbreviation outside

[fast crest]

... well, it was a manga first

Oh wait

[broken sapphire]

HnKYnInM

[fast crest]

no, you mean the Kirby anime?

[junior zealot]

i abbreviate forgotten land as FL. which is funny because apparently american people abbreviate florida like that

[fast crest]

(considering Fist of the North Star has been adapted multiple times to animation, including an upcoming series...)

[junior zealot]

kirby and florida

[fervent ice]

Kirby vs Florida Man

[fast crest]

FLORIDA MAN POSSESSED BY PINK BLOB

-# Is Florida a forgotten land?

[junior zealot]

its all too remembered unfortunately

needs to be more forgotten imo

[stuck ether]

"We're here on the ever greens, I see a red striped woofer there, yoink"

[ruby geode]

florida has disney world so

[fast crest]

Last tangent, but so long as your abbreviation for Attack on Titan is AoT, we will get along just fine

SNK is for the makers of Fatal Fury and Metal Slug

[junior zealot]

bugs was onto something

[junior zealot]

yeah because jp title is just Hoshi no Kaabi

[fast crest]

OH GOD WONDARIA

[ruby geode]

yes

[junior zealot]

in hindsight its so stupid because so many things in this series are titled hoshi no kaabi. like get more specific bro

[fast crest]

shit, then what's our Star-Crossed World in Florida

[ruby geode]

||meteor made all continents sink except florida state ||

[junior zealot]

4kids only useful contribution is giving the show a title

[stuck ether]

This can't be florida because the mainland isn't riddled with- Oh wait it has gators nevermind

But it's lacking in snakes

[autumn turret]

How do you tolerate calling Forgotten Land KFL arent you afraid its too similar to the state of Florida being FL

[junior zealot]

||this is how we know this is post-apocalypse||

[broken sapphire]

time to get all the missions in the battle of blizzard bridge

[junior zealot]

||this is an outcome that isnt pleasing anybody||

[junior zealot]

oh its all fine :)

[fast crest]

Unfortunately for you, I do not live in the US and thus I've never had to deal with that problem

[junior zealot]

good luck on twin frosty

[broken sapphire]

i still love how they gave twin frosty a figure and actually acknowledged that they're way too powerful lol

[pastel ravine]

I bet Wondaria is cheaper than Disneyland

smh

[junior zealot]

twin frosty vs twin bugzzy

who wins

[broken sapphire]

also i'm doing the secret path because i'm cool like that

[fast crest]

Twin Frosty clears

[fast crest]

Won't lie, I'm disappointed that there doesn't seem to be a midboss tower with the crystallised midbosses

[stuck ether]

NGL a little dissapointed with the lack of [Levels past winter horns]
||A secret route with harder bosses||

[broken sapphire]

i beat twin wild edge before either one could enter their second phase lol

[autumn turret]

How do you tolerate calling it the US aren't you afraid its too similar to the UK or the UN

[stuck ether]

There are 26 letters in the english alphabet

[autumn turret]

How do you tolerate calling it alphabet isn't it too similar to AB Void

[fast crest]

Lemme cut this off before I get on a random political tangent

I was this close

[stuck ether]

Pretty sure it's just about the sharing of letters than anything else

Anyways, meteors

[fast crest]

and look, if we're really gonna talk about video games sharing acronyms

how do all AC and MK fans feel

[broken sapphire]

"subtle foreshadowing":

[stuck ether]

AC is cool, it keeps me cool

MK is just some dude

[hallow gust]

Wait I'm such an idiot

FInal boss: ||Meteonelfilis is meteor + elfilis||

[stuck ether]

AC is so cool a band is half named after it

[fast crest]

... for whatever reason this reminded me that Kirby never possesses a Mouthful Mode as a giant fan and makes me wish he did

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/you-didnt-have-to-cut-me-off-meme-you-didnt-have-to-cut-me-off-big-brain-big-brain-meme-gif-26965490

[stuck ether]

Who needs a fan

[hallow gust]

Im very smorts

[broken sapphire]

l

[stuck ether]

When you have the power of STRETCHING RUBBER AROUND A HOOP

Wind that bad boy back, and release for a terrible breeze

[fast crest]

(final boss) ||I guess that is the only reason I could believe why people are choosing to pronounce the name "Meteon Elfilis" when I feel like "Meteo Nelfilis" is more natural||

[broken sapphire]

alright i have reached triple frosty, wish me luck

[pine wolf]

Doing an Ultimate cup z ex run with no copy abilities, dodging, hovering, or buffs

It actually feels really cool lol

[broken sapphire]

FIRST TRY BABY LET'S GOOO I LOVE TOY HAMMER

[fast crest]

What a masochistic run you're doing... Good luck!

[stuck ether]

No jumping

1 HP

[broken sapphire]

that sounds like a fun idea i might do that later

[fast crest]

No dodging would make positioning that much more difficult