[SPOILERS] Star-Crossed World

[broken sapphire]

||also with actual good english noble haltmann lyrics pls||

[neat shuttle]

||No, the full version, the 3 minute version from Karaoke||

[grave swallow]

||I swear to god, Lord of Chaos has to be the hardest Kirby boss ever. I am a good hammer player, there's no way I shouldn't have beaten this thing by now.||

||that said, I am using starter rank toy hammer||

[raven aspen]

PLEASE

[ruby geode]

hi RHV (final boss) ||yes I did like that elfilis brother still don't know how to spell his name had three phases though the last one is a bit weird but second phase is so fucking cool||

[raven aspen]

we know she sings well too thanks to 30th concert

[broken sapphire]

lol

[grave swallow]

||I love Genwel too but ngl hot take time, phase 3 is kinda dark nebula tier||

[neat shuttle]

nah, we knew since the 25th

[broken sapphire]

||i saw phase 3 kinda as a different kinda "final attack" phase (especially because of the world to win-esque music)||

[raven aspen]

i forgot about the 25th

cant wait for the ||makiko ohmoto neichel duet medley in 35th...||

[neat shuttle]

well yeah because for some freaking reason the CD doesn't include that part

[ruby geode]

LOL (100% related)

[stray umbra]

||the third phase is basically just the free win phase like drilling into star dream or hypernova vs sectonia||

[neat shuttle]

but I have it if you want 🙂

[ruby geode]

LOL (also 100% related)

[neat shuttle]

hahahaha

[raven aspen]

the ||rare stones|| incident

[neat shuttle]

sorry Gigi that we teased the heck out of you on it lol

[stray umbra]

||which is probably why it isn’t in the arena||

[sage jewel]

||they name drop kirby of the stars like a million times, it got corny after a point||

[ruby geode]

100% 😭 /lh

[broken sapphire]

hard disagree, they have to make up for ||every single time they didn't (which was every single time)||

[neat shuttle]

This is the moment I found out what the fuck that thing was

[raven aspen]

wrong, they need to get cornier!

[ruby geode]

I sure am

[raven aspen]

change ||Fly! Kirby of the Stars!|| back now!!!!!

[broken sapphire]

||i'm pissed they never said "Wow this truly was a Kirby and the Forgotten Land – Nintendo Switch 2 Edition + Star-Crossed World™."||

[ruby geode]

that's all, the other comments I saw were that ishikawa is in, which yes AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH STILL SO HAPPY ABOUT THAT

[neat shuttle]

Actually there's something I find weird

[grave swallow]

The latter is a good comparison, the former is about as much of a real phase as big rig

[neat shuttle]

||how come Shimooka is seen in a lot of SCW music but isn't listed beyond the main theme?||

[sage jewel]

||is leongar's monologue not enough for you||

[ruby geode]

||ogasawara is also credited for only a single new track, I think the two are hard at work for the next mainline||

[grave swallow]

Also, Sectonia doesn't fool you into thinking she's gonna be even stronger first, Kirby fans are so acclimated to ||eyeballs|| being OP that it feels like a fakeout

||but like overall I wouldn't say it makes the fight worse, it's just there||

[broken sapphire]

what is the "tricky tony" equivalent for kumazaki

[grave swallow]

||Genwel has a lot of Sectonia going on in general, 1st phase plays it fairly safe, 2nd is wtf top 3 final boss ever material, 3rd just kinda doesn't know what it's doing there||

[junior zealot]

tricky kinya shumazaki

[small cloak]

hmmmm

[grave swallow]

||Genwel is probably the hardest non arena final boss in the series too, like he's so oppressive with the weaker abilities||

||How would we say genwel compares difficulty wise to base game chaos elfilis?||

||Chaos sure as hell doesn't have a buggy laser that the best strategy is to facetank||

[heady quiver]

kooky kumazaki

[grave swallow]

Does Chaos even have Fecto's regular Sol laser? If so I never see him use it

[broken sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9W70_vB3rI

first failboat video of the dlc

[timber plaza]

No way

(I don’t watch Failboat)

[broken sapphire]

no way

[timber plaza]

(I lied I did)

[broken sapphire]

yes way

[warm osprey]

U guys are reminding me of how much I want a Kirby game about time traveling to different time periods based on real history (which will likely never happen) 😭

[timber plaza]

(Just checked I have him subscribed)

[broken sapphire]

way

[timber plaza]

Yaw

[broken sapphire]

a

[timber plaza]

Yeehaw

Sorry my excitement from Air Riders and SCW is mixing and I’m like screaming Magolor in wrong place (I was watching Magolor footage of Air Riders 3 seconds ago)

The info overload

Just like supreme ruler’s coronation - overlord

[broken sapphire]

😭

Magolor Fan's Information - OVERLOAD

[warm osprey]

Magolor Epilogue was my overload of Magolor for me personally

[timber plaza]

Just took like 100 screenshot of Magolor from Air Riders

While listening to SCW music

Life is good

[warm osprey]

How many screenshots do you have of Magolor Epilogue in total Yukkuri

My guess is over the thousands

[ruby geode]

oh I never realized that about spring kirby vs other spring powerups in games that's cool

me when failboat actually teaches me something new about the game

[warm osprey]

Am I right?

[broken sapphire]

yeah it's really good

i love pressing the jump button while he's in the air so he just snaps to the ground
even in the regular game

[heady quiver]

first good spring powerup ever

[broken sapphire]

wow i did not realize you could literally just go back after taking the wrong path in lost in alivel mall

[raven aspen]

this r/kirby user is NOT lost in alivel mall

[broken sapphire]

heck yeah

[sage jewel]

||I would consider the parallel mage sisters harder than him||

[small cloak]

I caught exactly Neither of his streams so huzzah 🎉

[timber plaza]

Bro I was confused why Magolor, the far-flung traveler was playing in the opening 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 I thought I had a different tab opened playing them from my playlist
It was just a editing

[vocal sparrow]

||I guess Failboat refers this to Galacta Knight-||

[rich tartan]

Real!

Sand level
Hmm

[vocal sparrow]

||H🔺L||

[junior zealot]

explaining SCW lore to my friends who arent as deep into the fandom discussions and i actually feel like this rn

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-mike-pippin-green-conspiracy-gif-5869661353018453933

[rich tartan]

That one's just creative lol

[broken sapphire]

it's really funny how he exclusively uses images he happens to already have on his pc in videos like this

[grave swallow]

||I just broke the game and had genwel's 1st phase music playing for a full half of the 2nd phase, anyone else had this happen?||

[broken sapphire]

do you have a clip of that?

[grave swallow]

No

||I was just styling on him with masked hammer||

Maybe I just played too fast for the music

||This seemingly can't happen between 2nd and 3rd phase tho even if you skip the cutscene||

[timber plaza]

not 100% but post game: ||did anyone else's game played welcome home, hero after you beat the story mode? because people are saying it plays randomly after you beat uczex, but it played before I beat uczex||

need to know if anyone else had same experience

[broken sapphire]

oh neat

[grave swallow]

This is probably technically true but only because of the OP abilities in FL

[small cloak]

||me when told my buddy elfilis has a brother||

[grave swallow]

Marx and Magolor are strong in SA but they're nothing compared to masked hammer even with no upgrades

[heady quiver]

||did you finish story with all starries||

[timber plaza]

no

im getting snippets of the video rn give me a second

its like a stream so the video is too long lol

I think me and ultrby was like going "woah thats cool????????"

[patent sluice]

ZEX ||why is chaos lord just a fucking faye mod||

[timber plaza]

||this is why nintendo took down faye's video /j||

[lapis reef]

||I love how often this sentiment gets expressed lmao||

[wraith tartan]

||WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING IN THAT ARENA?!?!?!

https://vxtwitter.com/driftcons/status/1962271071203115011?s=46||

Joy-Con Drift 2 (@DriftCons)

Don't play Ultimate Cup Z EX with base sword ability btw

QRT: DriftCons
wtf is kirby even about

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 31, 2025, 9:47 PM

[junior zealot]

LMAO

[neat shuttle]

how

[rich tartan]

Spoiler: everything
||I mean the starry figure doesn't say destroying galaxies, it just says capable of destroying the galaxy. Which sounds similar, but one just sounds a powerful guy going around metaphorically destroying everything in the galaxy one by one, which it's very easy to imagine Gala having the ability to do. That being said though, the starries being the one who sealed gala is just kinda weird regardless if its canon or not? The starries have been shown to revert somewhat after uncrystalizing, which gala infamously and regularly doesn't, a bunch of kirbys were able to crystalize him just fine, gala's crystal is purple but starries when sealing something themselves are consistently blue. If this is a separate ability they have, then what's the point in introducing them if you never see it during the story and it's only mentioned in a random pause description, that's lame lol.||

[vocal sparrow]

WHAT?! :ICANT:

[rich tartan]

||they did?||

[ruby geode]

||they took down for her bloody bosses one that looks like the clones chaos elfilis makes|| UCZEX

[hallow gust]

||chaos ||

[vocal sparrow]

||Nintendo are thieves!!!! ||

[ruby geode]

insane

[red mango]

does bro have acid fingertips

[hollow vigil]

IDK if you should feel honored Nintendo thought ur idea was good and stole it or eligible for financial compensation

[junior zealot]

answer: faye actually was part of the development team for this dlc and was hinting at it through her unofficial mods

[rich tartan]

I would if it wasn't demeaning (entertaining the humorous idea of theft ofc lol)

[timber plaza]

and the video is finally working after cropping and compressing it for 30 mins

(discord isnt sending it on other hand)

[lapis reef]

Ah, video clipping a long file, always a pain in the backside

[timber plaza]

its like 3 min video clipped from my livestream but its like

very high quality LOL

I compressed it and its like 400 mb now

here's the clip

[neat shuttle]

100%, Wikirby: ||"Track 150 unlocks after all other music tracks are unlocked (i.e. 100% completion of the entire game)." it isn't, it's definitely related to just SCW because I had one person who didn't have everything (probably missing base game music), and still unlocked it||

||It could just be that you just need to unlock all SCW music specifically||

[keen garnet]

https://tenor.com/uAgSpboENDj.gif

||pls Hal make it clearer when it unlockssss||

[timber plaza]

fr

||I figured out when the song PLAYS but not when it UNLOCKS, though I would assume it would be unlocked when you first hear it...? but its weird considering songs like Kirby's Tilt-and-Roll Festival unlocks randomly without hearing them at all||

[broken sapphire]

||35th anniversary concert, lyrical version of last song performed by neichel.|| calling it now.

[timber plaza]

||kumazaki sings them instead||

[velvet moss]

||what if it is Shinya Kumazaki who sing the Last Song in the 35th anniversary concert.||

[timber plaza]

HIVEMIND

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-4654060345501150810

[broken sapphire]

||wait you're telling me the ONE line of the japanese version that was in english... WAS MESSED UP WHEN TRANSLATING TO ENGLISH SO IT DOESN'T FIT THE SONG!?!? WHY!??!||

[warped elm]

Is there a good way to farm starry coins? I'm looking to get all the new gotcha figures

[broken sapphire]

||IF THEY JUST MADE IT "WHAT A SWEET MEMORY" INSTEAD OF "WHAT A SWEET," IT WOULDVE FIT PERFECTLY||

[timber plaza]

this is normal tho LOL

[velvet moss]

||would imagine the lyrics are translated for beep synch.||

[brazen nova]

final boss

||Still a bit baffled as to why leon and genwel have different shilouettes in the arenas and the stages where you fight them||

[timber plaza]

mfw "shout of dedede" and "bad masked wild:ddd"

[velvet moss]

||in mind.||

[broken sapphire]

it specifically doesn't fit

[velvet moss]

Oh

[broken sapphire]

||they put "what a sweet" for something that's 6 syllables||

[velvet moss]

What is Treehouse doing

[broken sapphire]

||because in japanese i think it would be pronounced something like so-wee-toh memory or something||

[timber plaza]

let me check

||time to sing in japanese||

[broken sapphire]

it's this part https://youtu.be/dN6LGmvJofg?si=x6PEDpecsPtcOoNP&t=7278

[timber plaza]

yeah thats right

[broken sapphire]

wdym by thats right 😭

[timber plaza]

the ||pronounciation||

[broken sapphire]

yeah

||AND THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T FUCKING FIT IF YOU TRANSLATE IT "WHAT A SWEET" 😭 ||

[timber plaza]

||you can squeeze them through if you read them fast before the memory comes in||

wait

okay I see what you mean

[broken sapphire]

||i mean that there's more syllables in the beeps than the actual text lol||

[timber plaza]

LOOOOL

[broken sapphire]

😭

[timber plaza]

idk man, I would only ||sing in japanese regardless||

||the lyrics are better anyways, and I can say "mahoroa" instead of "mahoroba" as a sneak in||

[civic sun]

||NoA hates 'memories' confirmed (insert Robobot joke here, probably)||

[brazen nova]

ceroba

[broken sapphire]

i just realized ||the "someday it will come true" lyric sounded a bit familiar
and uh||

||and like green tree memories is also paired with the neichel songs in the hal room||

||you know it's technically a possibility that the land of dreams they went to was the dream kingdom||

just sayin

[timber plaza]

pls spoiler tag that

[broken sapphire]

something not appearing is also a spoiler that should probably be- yea lol

just in general

[timber plaza]

lol it looks like Im yelling at you now

[broken sapphire]

i can't believe dale didn't show up

[timber plaza]

when I mentioned this, people called me I was delusional

[civic sun]

||don't forget the neighboring town stuff||

[broken sapphire]

sorry for sayin "just sayin" without spoiler tag 😔

[broken sapphire]

exactlyy

[timber plaza]

NO JOKE PEOPLE SAID IM DELUSIONAL

||ALL BECAUSE IT RELATES TO MAGOLOR||

||PEOPLE ARE SAYING I AM COPING AND BEING DELUSIONAL BECAUSE MAGOLOR||

[civic sun]

||but everything in the modern series is either Drawcia or Magolor (or both) smh||

[timber plaza]

||people treat me like hyness, but I am more trustworthy||

[broken sapphire]

||what about voi- oh right bound pound and deadly sun
what about hyn- oh right the magolor hood shape head
WHAT ABOUT THE DREAM FORK!?!?||

[broken sapphire]

that's exactly what a magolor would say

[civic sun]

||Magolor talks about ancient items, close enough||

[broken sapphire]

i guess

[civic sun]

||and Drawcia has a Magical Paintbrush.....||

[timber plaza]

I mentioned about this in my ||unfinished song rant I made few days ago, but like glad to see I wasnt being literal delusional||

[broken sapphire]

unless we're both

[timber plaza]

nah

I am confident

[broken sapphire]

true

[timber plaza]

as a japanese speaker

trust me

this is intentional

||always bet on magolor||

[hollow vigil]

do people say youre delusional just. generally?

[timber plaza]

Yes

[hollow vigil]

and yet here you are. being right

[timber plaza]

If I can solve each of the lore in manga, I can definitely solve Kumazaki lore

[small cloak]

your delusion wraps back around to be True & Factual Information

[timber plaza]

I am clean Magolor

[hollow vigil]

is magolor normally stinky?

[timber plaza]

Magolor that lies are stinky

[hollow vigil]

The Magolor of lies and deceit
The Magolor of truth and honesty

[timber plaza]

Clean Magolor is white and green
Stinky Magolor is blue and yellow

[hollow vigil]

blue cheesegolor

[karmic pebble]

we talking about cookie run kingdom now i guess

[timber plaza]

Magolor that didn’t showered and literally stinky is Interdimensional Magolor

We have physically stinky and figuratively stinky

[hollow vigil]

hard to shower when youre trapped lost

[civic sun]

what is a blue(-green) and silver one

[hollow vigil]

||So whats Mafolor? ||

[timber plaza]

The ultimate Magolor

[native mauve]

huh

[timber plaza]

Yeah

[native mauve]

peak

[hollow vigil]

|| 🧓💤
🛏️ ||

[karmic pebble]

[timber plaza]

||the ancients sleeps in the YURI(cago) sorry had to make the joke||

[civic sun]

||yeah, though 古の民 this time||

[karmic pebble]

so uhhhh

quick question

[hollow vigil]

slow answer

[timber plaza]

||let’s be fair, they’re both same meaning. Anyone that lived long time ago in past is all ancients||

[civic sun]

||yeah lol, just adds on to it being general thing||

[karmic pebble]

||Did the new worlders leave because of the threat of the meteor or overpopulation???||

[karmic pebble]

ahhhhh heheheh

[timber plaza]

||This is like misconceptions because a lot of people think ancients are a whole race lol||

[civic sun]

||yeah LOL, clearly GK = Hyness or some shit ||

[gusty crane]

||Does anyone know which level has the most figures of volume 2?||

[hollow vigil]

Genuinely, are the ancients in the lore a specific race/group of people, like how the magic and tech ancients split (Hyness rant source i think)
or is there parts of lore where "ancients" isnt referring to anyone specifically just. In the past, [blank] happened

[red mango]

||tbh in this instance it probably has to do more with the prophecy thing being something ancient even by their times||

[civic sun]

||no ancients is just general term(s), not specific group||

[hollow vigil]

Soooo theyre not a clear singular group

[red mango]

||the immeasurable abyss of time!||

[autumn turret]

final boss ||Oh huh I just saw someone land on the ground portal for Meteonelfilis's Kuiper Belt Wave and they did take damage from it
So I guess the hitbox is just way smaller than it looks? I don't remember that being the case for elfilis though||

[hollow vigil]

Well that makes things messy

[gusty crane]

Does anyone know which level has the most figures of volume 2?

[civic sun]

||not really, there's just lot of old people out there (and you can still group specific ones together, I mean new world-Halcandra-Jambastion ones definitely are connected)||

[timber plaza]

||yea, anyone that was alive long ago is considered as ancients. Mainly have to mention this because people assume Magolor is direct descendent of ancient, or Magolor is ancient. No, Magolor is not. Magolor is not direct descendent because every other living thing that was born as whatever species that existed for long time is going to be a descendent of the ancients. No Magolor is not ancients because we don’t know what age he is lol||

[tidal spindle]

Unless theres a reveal that like, all the confirmed ancients we know (Galacta, Hyness.) are races made by altering FL people.

Because. It would be,

Funny :)

[hollow vigil]

||Magolor is the most ancientest of ancients at the ripe ol age of [lost count]||

[timber plaza]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[civic sun]

||Magolor is every age at once (too much Lor usage)||

[twin junco]

||magolor: "im 4 years old!" you are the youngest ancient EVER||

[timber plaza]

||Magolor is actually immortal and when he said he lived in Halcandra for long time, he literally lived since the ancients arrived to Halcandra /j /j /j||

[hollow vigil]

ok well thanks for clearing up that misconception then. dang it gonna mean deciphering who was behind what events more tricky now

[hollow vigil]

||Since NOVA broke up with Halcandra||

[timber plaza]

Cause ||”people from the ancient time” is what Magolor said to Kirby during RTDL dialogue||

And not ||”People of the ancients”||

[hollow vigil]

its fascinating how easily "ancients" as an umbrella term and simple timeframe can be misconstrued as a specific label "THE ancients"
ah "the", how I hate you as a word

[gusty crane]

Ok I have a problem. ||Why does my figure collection say ‘collect all waddle dees and ‘catch the bling blipper’ (EX Vol. 2) even though I already did?||

[tidal spindle]

So we know it was like, party consisted of, like, the cat ear guys, mask orb, ||starries|| and probably ||humans if they still looked the same by then||

[civic sun]

||pretty sure it just says requirements regardless||

[broken sapphire]

yeah

[hollow vigil]

||I dont think we have any way of knowing how old or recent the race of "cat eared guys"/Magolors is||

[gusty crane]

||So how do I get them?||

[civic sun]

||pretty sure those are just random ones||

[tidal spindle]

We don't. But we do know ONE who is ancient.

[hollow vigil]

who???

[tidal spindle]

Dunno if they the same race even.

[hollow vigil]

oh 🤦‍♂️

[gusty crane]

||Oh ok so just get them from waddle Dee..||

[hollow vigil]

so youre considering ||Hyness a Magolor, or another "cat eared guy" race lol||

[hollow vigil]

ok ok my bad got it

see this discussion is so confusing, lore is hard

[broken sapphire]

||i think it's much more likely for magolor to be "impersonating" hyness's species with his hood looking similar to hyness's head||

[tidal spindle]

But he has cat ears so im calling him cat ears. Dunno if they are the same species. Since Mago copies so many ancient things, he prolly just copied Hyness's race ear stripes for his hood.

[autumn turret]

||Flirting: Chaos Elfilis turning into the sun for 40 whole seconds where you can't attack (55 seconds if you don't know you can hit them during the fly-by cutscne)
Harrassment: Literally anything pyribbit does||

[hollow vigil]

||Magolor is a starry under there ||

[tidal spindle]

I think its unlikely they are completely unrelated descendant wise (races not specific charies) I guess. No proof for now.

[hollow vigil]

haha we spoke of magolor too much, truth nuke incoming

[timber plaza]

||Magolor and Hyness aren’t same race because we can see in Epilogue, conveniently, totally coincidentally, his ears showing that he’s literally an brown egg with brown ears and golden eyes. The whatever Magolor’s cloth color was highly likely he was just copying and impersonating Hyness’s species or somewhere that relates to them. Because his shopkeeper outfit shows he’s not necessarily actually them, just very similar. It is possible that he’s actually a neighborhood species close to Hyness, but for now, we just expect Hyness and Magolor to be not actually same species||

[tidal spindle]

I don't think bro has a nose, if thats the thing.

[hollow vigil]

chcoclate flavor

[tidal spindle]

Also really ironic the most ||human looking race is the one most confirmed to know the least about FL||

[heady quiver]

magolor lowers the strap on his robe and reveals a comically large sniffer

and also a mouth but who cares

[tidal spindle]

Since Max had to actively discover and research ancient tech

[heady quiver]

magolor beta design

[silver turret]

franflam confirmed ancients
they are the progenitors of all future yuri in the kirby universe

[native mauve]

||Am I stupid for my Void brainrot with how they reference birth in Twinkling Star Showers 24/7||

[autumn turret]

||In JP the Jamba Heart is described as 'the vessel in which God resides' so Void was inside the Jamba Heart||

[tidal spindle]

Also like I think ||every single boss ever is in Genwel fight theme||

[autumn turret]

||It should not take next year this shit looks crazy but that's relative to UCZ lol like who's gonna come and say it looks harder than Triple Deluxe or RtDL Wii true arena much less RtDL DX PR or SA lol||

[broken sapphire]

those who know:

[timber plaza]

People are wild sometimes

[ruby geode]

no ||HAPPY BIRTHDAY DARK LORD||

fuck one spoiler failed but whatever

[timber plaza]

||there’s people out there who already mastered the ZEX, and already made guide for it||

[broken sapphire]

[timber plaza]

Demoted

[ruby geode]

THIS IS BULLYING

[timber plaza]

Good

[silver turret]

im seconding gigi on this

[autumn turret]

||This is the second time I've seen you call it a bug after we were talking the other day about how it ignoring dodge is a game mechanic that they have to set? Why in the world do you think its a bug lol||

[silver turret]

||there are enough tiny details linking jambacult/void to the shit with the starries that it's driving me up the damn wall||

[native mauve]

thank you

[native mauve]

||Literally why else would Meteonelfilis look like Void?? It's design is based on absorbing the Starries!!||

[ruby geode]

||kirby fans when きらめく星 but yeah きらめく星 was literally in KSA too I'm fairly sure||

[silver turret]

||there's also the fact that the lyrics to star conquering traveler apparently reference "children of the stars" like years before scw||

[timber plaza]

||Neichel shows up in Void costume for 35th anniversary concert||

[ruby geode]

oh right the one funny thing about twinkling star showers but it is about ||magolor|| is

[timber plaza]

||MAGOLOR MENTIONED||

[ruby geode]

||the funny さえずり/birdsong||

[civic sun]

||also in JP name of Bless the Plains with Song||

[tidal spindle]

Every time I think|| "oh yeah she referenced magoland a ton" in starshowers, it was actually about unfinished song. Much more themeparky-ness in that one. ||Much less subtle.

[ruby geode]

OH RIGHT

[tidal spindle]

Whatsit?

[civic sun]

||私は草原をなで、さえずり唄う ||

[timber plaza]

||I can only think of Star Dream whenever I hear 産声||

[tidal spindle]

Oh

More ||chirping||

[civic sun]

||I mean it was a star too||

[timber plaza]

||ugliest cry ever||

[ruby geode]

||if I had a nickel for every time a kirby final boss made a pun with 星 and 生 being read as sei I would have two nickels||

[timber plaza]

😭 😭 😭

||I still believe in Dark Nebula supremacy||

[broken sapphire]

chat

||i think neichel would have the freedom motif||

||literally cursed with knowledge and (though she chose to do this) left behind on an abandoned planet||

[twin junco]

||"i'm lor!"||

[native mauve]

||

この戦いを終え… あの星羅を超え… ニルは、ゆっくりと次の時代へ歩み出す。
Finishing this fight… Surpassing those stars… Nil slowly steps into the next era.

星羅の超えよ 響かせよ 命
Surpassing the stars, let life ring out.||

[tidal spindle]

I still can't get rid of thinking it ||looks dreamstalk. The little pointed light tips....ironically also the flowers at the alter.|| maybe intentional?

[smoky river]

||It’s most likely a mix of different alien species||

||Like there’s a good chance hyness’ species may come from a separate planet||

[autumn turret]

AYO

[smoky river]

I wonder if we’re gonna learn more abt hyness and his connection to the lor and stuff in the nest game

[native mauve]

IKRRR

AAAAA

[autumn turret]

||For the record 星羅 is an incredibly specific term
Its not even in the dictionary
This is a very intentional reference and not just them using the same words for a similar theme||

[ruby geode]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[tidal spindle]

Someone pointed out the companies also had fewds and rivalries.....If a separate magic side is true, I hope they can make them as interesting as the FL side.

[autumn turret]

||Its only ever used in the JP name of The Star Conquering Traveler and in AB Void's description||

[native mauve]

What are they cooking

[smoky river]

||I wonder if the new worlds species are not the humanoids like susie or the mage sisters, do they come from another dimension where humans are limbless and legless?||

[ruby geode]

~~inb4 this means nothing and kuma is just doing a funny ~~

[tidal spindle]

I wish for ||them to be related. But, there is legs on wondaria cardboard, and Max knew nothing of novas before finding stardream||

Also ||👒||

[timber plaza]

||Kuma: it’s a cool word||

[ruby geode]

||I do think all these references are on purpose btw lol I just wonder how much it means anything or how much it will be elaborated in the future||

[civic sun]

||damn I didn't even notice that one||

||my guess is Void and Elfilis species are considered parallels in how they work at least rn||

||Core stuff, the heart-esque form, influenced by other things...||

[wild stirrup]

||500 callbacks to void||

[twin junco]

||waiter, waiter! more void callbacks please!||

[wild stirrup]

||I'm not ready for when that day comes..||

[pastel ravine]

Unrelated but that Thing design looks so ass omg

[native mauve]

||Void and Starries's origins...clearly...||

[civic sun]

||would like to see Starries try to cradle and 'purify' a Jamba Heart||

[pastel ravine]

||…that King Dedede gave to Hyness||

[autumn turret]

||Oh i guess Genwel's dimensionlaser doesn't just stray back and forth, it looks like it tries a bit more to turn||

[native mauve]

||Yeah, the visual similarity the Jamba Heart has to the Starries' crystal seal is still intruiging to me||

[velvet moss]

How do Treehouse mess Star Allies translations up

How we get "The Jamba Heart King Dedede give Hyness."

[stuck ether]

Because back in the day, they didn't consider what was going on in the other side

Until they saw the Dedede description and went: "Woah who the hell are we paying for this?"

And yet, the texts remained unchange to this day

(Ok but jokes aside, what happened that made them realize?)

[small cloak]

"The jamba heart that king dedede brought to hyness" is truly top 10 kirby lines

[timber plaza]

Someone should make that their senior quote

[broken sapphire]

DID SOMEBODY SAY-

[stuck ether]

Dedede:

[silver turret]

i forgot i was cited in faye's ksa text doc

[stuck ether]

I got no fucking good GIF for this I'm sorry-

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/special-delivery-delivery-patrick-starfish-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-13189973

[silver turret]

it's great that i'm linked here in a place people check semi often because. the tls of the japanese lyrics for this on wikirby suck ass

[obtuse verge]

this is the reason why Kumazaki started helping out directing translations in FL

[stuck ether]

[FINAL BOSS in 2nd image]
Ok this is a stretch, but this seems familiar-

[broken sapphire]

Can Opener?

[timber plaza]

Can opener?

[ruby geode]

imagine going to sleep at a reasonable time, I decided to revisit my translation of ||neichel mention from kumazaki in that FL interview||

||――　歌っているNEICHELさんはどんな方なんでしょうか？||
||熊崎　本作のために生まれた架空の歌手です。物語の設定として現在はどこかに行ってしまっていませんが、かつてその世界に存在した歌姫のアーティスト名になります。ちなみに名前は、あの世界で自然や新緑を意味する「ネイチェル」からです。||

||―― What kind of person is the singer NEICHEL?||
||Kumazaki: She is a fictional singer created for this work. The artist name of a diva who was once present in this world, but in the story's setting, she is not present anywhere. By the way, her name comes from "Neichel", that means "nature" and "fresh greenery" in that world.||

||the only thing that made me go HUH is 物語の設定として現在はどこかに行ってしまっていませんが and specifically どこかに行ってしまっていません; I remember always finding it odd that kumazaki here used 行くbecause that is to go, and it's sort of worded like "she hasn't gone nowhere" but I sort of wonder if it can be interpreted as "she is not present somewhere" or rather "she is not present in this world specifically but could be somewhere" but at that point I don't know if I'm grasping at straws||

[broken sapphire]

...i don't see it

[ruby geode]

YUKKURI HELP ME /lh

am I going crazy

I hate kumazaki japanese

[timber plaza]

Help with what exactly :sob

[ruby geode]

see this

[timber plaza]

Okayyyy

[stuck ether]

||Genwel's ear patterns look like a pronged sword with a sort of "gem" in the middle of the tip||

[ruby geode]

am I going crazy 😭

[obtuse verge]

and honestly I hope they revisit Star Allies and fix it up, like, they did fix Morpho Knight's splash name in Japanese in FL Switch 2, it wouldn't hurt to revisit translations in a Switch 2 upgrade version of Star Allies

[stuck ether]

Lemme do a quick flip here-

[THE SAME IMAGES AS BEFORE BUT THE FINAL BOSS IS THE FIRST ONE NOW]

Heavy heavy stretch, I know

[obtuse verge]

not sure what would you put in a Star Allies upgrade pack, though. That is the part I'm unsure of. Game is complete as is

[broken sapphire]

honestly, now that we have star-crossed world (and air riders), i'd be fine if the next game was another 2d one

AS LONG AS IT'S REALLY FUCKIN GOOD AND HAS LIKE INTERESTING LEVEL DESIGN WHICH WAS BY FAR THE BIGGEST FLAW STAR ALLIES HAD

a full kirby game with scw-quality level design would be peak

[stuck ether]

Ironically for a Star Allies (paid) DLC to work, I think emphasis on single player is neccessary

[ruby geode]

robobot:

[broken sapphire]

but better

[ruby geode]

robobot may be better still tbh

[broken sapphire]

nah it's not worth playing, it fuckin sucks actually i hate it i wish they didn't make dale the final boss

[ruby geode]

it's hard to compare 2D with 3D level design I guess

[broken sapphire]

||the funny 2d puzzles in wastes that count time||:

[silver turret]

ok yeah this is weird
||from my understanding "dokoka ni itte shimau" means she "happened to have gone somewhere", but then it's conjugated negatively with "imasen", which means that... she hasn't gone anywhere...?||

[timber plaza]

||I mean, Kuma is saying that Neichel is now in somewhere we don’t know and are gone, which from his specific wording, he didn’t specify if Neichel is dead or not, and as for right now based on the setting of the story, she’s simply, gone, and we don’t know where she went. The chances are that with the current info we know “we don’t know what happened to her after all the things that happened, and we don’t know where exactly she went.” > possibly be dead? Alive? Traveling alone? Who knows, type of stuff||

[ruby geode]

||so I wasn't going completely crazy. maybe this is worded weirdly because HE KNEW||

[timber plaza]

||Dunno if I explain that well lol But basically Kuma worded this way so we will be curious on what happened to Neichel||

[ruby geode]

I don't think my translation did that nuance much justice but also, lol what did we know 3 years ago!

I will think better and post an updated version tomrrow

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-the-batman-does-he-know-he-knows-gif-26835334

[keen acorn]

does he tho?

wait what does he know

[timber plaza]

Kumazaki is Magolor

[bold compass]

I wonder how much of star-crossed world was planned since the original released

Because i assume it started development after?

[keen acorn]

[keen acorn]

i dont think he does tbh

[timber plaza]

||At this point, I’d assume it was planned since the beginning. Possibly planned to release after RTDLDX release? Mainly because they pretty much used RTDLDX as a ladder and a setup for some of these stuff like Lor and Magolor and the music being used. But Switch 2 came along, and Nintendo came and asked them to make the DLC for Switch 2 instead of Switch 1. Again, not 100% confirmed, but it’s likely cases||

[ruby geode]

my current theory is that it was planned before FL released, but it wasn't developed immediatelly after

[pastel ravine]

|| Little do they know that this is all a ploy to make Magolor the main character of the series.||

[keen acorn]

[tidal spindle]

I just finished scw with my friend. Peak honestly. Especially since we did forgo dreams and it back to back

[civic sun]

||I think they had the settings for a lot of stuff beforehand but not neccesarily planning to do SCW||

[small cloak]

eyes

[civic sun]

||but it's hard to really tell rn, especially with how Kumazaki is||

[ruby geode]

||there is a lot of lore stuff in but I also don't think this was decided as FL was initially developed, as this update doesn't add some new stuff like treasure roads. also the dev team is different so I doubt it was developed immediately after base FL. it's possible this was maybe a new project incorporating certain ideas for story kuma had if he made a FL 2 sequel. though I think around the time RtDLD was in development that SCW was at least approved as project, I imagine development itself mostly started after RtDLD||

[keen acorn]

wait ||scw wasnt made by the people who made fl||

[civic sun]

||there's bit of shared people on the teams, but also lot of noticeable differences||

[ruby geode]

||not completely, dev team is slightly different. for example, different directors||

[civic sun]

||yeah, first main series game with two directors as well||

[keen acorn]

[civic sun]

||Art Director is also different iirc||

[ruby geode]

||it is not really even a case of "oh they just used the same dev team but smaller", there is new people involved, and people with different roles from the original yeah||

||"same dev team but smaller" was in star allies updates for most part for example, and these were planned from the start||

[timber plaza]

Like, ||FL > RTDLDX > SCW felt like they were locked in since the beginning. FL being the 2022, RTDLDX being the 2023 for the end of 30th anniversary. Maybe SCW was originally supposed to be 2024 DLC, but Nintendo went “Make it early Switch 2 release game instead” and so it was delayed. This is coming from how Sakai and Ishikawa is on the roaster, not saying HAL didn’t just hired them to make music for the game, but it’s always possible that they got both of them to work on the music before leaving HAL. It would kinda fit the 2023 timeline because that’s… I think around when Kato joined and Sakai left, so I could see them working on some stuff around 2023. But idk! Maybe the interview will answer this, I feel like it will be the case. Always bet on the interview.||

[keen acorn]

🇼 🅰️ ✝️

[ruby geode]

||yeah and lead level design, yuki endo was just an adviser||

||in general this does feel like the main dev team that worked in FL is currently working on new mainline||

[timber plaza]

(Basically there’s just so many possibilities)

[ruby geode]

||which is crazy, if this was as good and made by a "B team" imagine next mainline by "A team"...||

[timber plaza]

||The suspiciously C team joining the chat||

[ruby geode]

||finally, kirby RPG...||

[timber plaza]

||I am the C team, trust me||

[keen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-kirby-super-star-ultra-gaming-video-games-cute-gif-17981109690121245444

[tidal spindle]

|| You hiring us because we can write rpg dialogue ||

[timber plaza]

||I could see them already going for next mainline, maybe that’s why Ando barely made music and so on and got entire team to compose them. I’d imagine next year will be “nothing” year, and 2027 for 35th anniversary will be “release” year at earliest||

[ruby geode]

||time to become fluent in japanese and join as well||

[keen acorn]

||when did we start talking about role playing kirby||

[timber plaza]

Wha

[ruby geode]

||most sus part of composers for me is ogasawara and shimooka, ogasawara did a singular track, shimooka just a couple (in particular compared to ando), and ohara/sakai made a bunch||

[tidal spindle]

They mean rpg lol

[small cloak]

kirby rpg Will happen 🙏

[keen acorn]

rpkg (role playing kirby game)

[tidal spindle]

Kirby air riders filling our spin off dreams and then a kirby rpg right after the next mainline game would be the peakest timeline

[ruby geode]

||but yeah kamiyama just being "special thanks" after he directed FL is super sus||

[red mango]

||tbf ando did make the final boss theme which is like probably disproportionately big compared to every other song||

[keen acorn]

would it be like mario rpg or like, what'll it be like

[broken sapphire]

||OH RIGHT THERE'S NO TREASURE ROADS FOR THE NEW MOUTHFUL MODES||

[keen acorn]

||yea thats sad||

[ruby geode]

wait wow

I underestimated shimooka

[red mango]

||tbh I'm really surprised there's no new method to grind rare stones||

[ruby geode]

||shimooka did composer more tracks than ando for this, why did I think he only made like 5||

[timber plaza]

||This is why they’re the most suspecting part tbh lol I can very much imagine Ogasawara and Shimooka and Ando working on the next game, and got the rest of the gang + Kato as working on SCW in meantime. UNLESS, somehow Ando got busy with air riders, unlikely case but it’s not impossible. I could also imagine either Ogasawara or Shimooka is busy working on Kirby Cafe music, unless Ohara is on fire||

||with more content storming in, I can imagine the composer team sweating about how many songs they need to work on like not just the game||

[keen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/out-when-the-meme-gif-21389288

[ruby geode]

||I guess because it's mostly cutscene, the echos and some misc stuff lol||

[red mango]

||ogasawara is probably not making that many songs from this point onwards tbh||

||he's kinda just been working heavily on the sound design more than music||

[timber plaza]

||honestly probably mainly sound design for the game and music for non game stuff||

||I do love his song so hopefully he can do more music…||

[red mango]

||i think shimooka made a lot more cutscene themes this time around it's just that ohara made quite a bit as well||

||shimooka also did the arrangement for the main theme but ikegami was credited for composing||

[ruby geode]

||really doubt ogasawara will not make much more music, kumazaki specifically asked him to composer running through the new world for him to get more experience||

[red mango]

||I will say Ishikawa doing more stage BGM is what surprised me especially after he only worked on sound in RtDLD||

[ruby geode]

||safe assumption that he's leading music production in the next mainline||

[timber plaza]

||Hey Internal Struggle is my goat!!!!!!!||

||Totally no bias here!!!!||

[icy tapir]

Ohhhhhh now i know why its so visually similar

they look like the ||Divine Terminus Flowers||

i knew it wasnt ||Sectonia lmao||

[red mango]

||im not saying he's not going to make more but that in comparison to others on the music team he's probably only contributing much less to BGM and more towards the unappreciated details of sound design||

[icy tapir]

whats the 2nd one from

[red mango]

||even in dream buffet where he was the lead he only did one song||

||which could be because of music fest idk||

[civic sun]

||JP version of Twinkling Star Showers iirc||

[icy tapir]

Oh okay :]

[ruby geode]

||that is fair but I think it could be an ishikawa situation mostly. shimooka does feel like he makes music faster like ando does anyway||

[red mango]

||but I'd imagine he was still very heavily involved in the other sound design, perhaps more than the other sound team members||

[keen garnet]

||"Man, that really was an Ultra Kirby Clash – The Revenge of Pyribbit, amirite?"||

[red mango]

||like he was really obsessed over the details when it came to mage sisters sounds right||

[autumn turret]

final boss ||Oh there's a variation of Meteonelfilis' Green Flash where him and the cloens all charge at the same time||

[still garnet]

Ultimate Cup Z Ex: ||they gave the final 4 the base game mini boss treatment and buffed them without changing their appearance, right? I don’t remember Forgo Leon being nearly as crazy.||

[autumn turret]

||Oh there's also a variation where he spawns 4 clones and two charge at a time before he charges||

[still garnet]

||Also don’t remember Phantom meta knight summoning ten bajillion clones during that one attack||

[lapis reef]

Yeah, ||all of the bosses have changed patterns, though some more than others||

[autumn turret]

||All the bosses have HP buffs, Phantom MK Forgo Leon and Morpho Knight have stronger attacks as well
Phantom Forgo Dedede looks like its just the same as the earlier bosses where his attacks are rearranged without being harder though||

[timber plaza]

||Though Phantom Forgo Dedede might be the hardest boss LOL||

||At least I’m struggling more than Chaos Elfilis||

[lapis reef]

||always was my run killer in UCZ||

[timber plaza]

||I love him tho… so awesome…||

[autumn turret]

||Mfs said we do NOT need to buff this guy||

[still garnet]

||I feel like he didn’t take his breaks inside of lava nearly as often originally||

[timber plaza]

||Mfw he takes break in the lava (bro is taking a bathe)||

[still garnet]

||But yeah out of every boss Phantom Forgo Dedede definitely needed the least amount of tweaks. I think my favorite buff I’ve noticed is Fecto Forgo being way more active in the Leon fight ||

[autumn turret]

||Oh if you shoot star bullets at his sword hand stuck in the ground it bounces off, dunno what I expected ig||

[tidal spindle]

||The buff that stood out to me the most is metaknight summoning more clones, and morpho knight summoning fecto ghosts more often, heck the fecto ghosts can even scream ||

[twin junco]

||i think an actual buffed fecto forgo rematch could be dope, way too much menace to have just 2 baby attacks||

[pastel ravine]

|| Faye, are you looking at all the attacks or smth||

[autumn turret]

||Im just constantly looking at people stream the game||

[astral lion]

|| Holy jesus did the final 5 in the arena get glowups ||

|| Everything from Phantom Meta Knight and onwards borderline brand new with how crazy aggressive they got ||

|| Morpho Knight went from trivial to a menace?? ||

[pastel ravine]

Ah, I see

[tidal spindle]

||Honestly I was initially a little disappointed the arena EX didn’t have an actual unique secret boss like the ultimate cup Z with phantom metaknight or chaos elfilis. But with how much elfilis was changed I think it makes up for it||

[twin junco]

||it was my last shred of hope for galacta||

[tidal spindle]

||Same, oh well doesn’t really matter ||

[astral lion]

|| I know that Lord of Chaos exists but can't even get to it yet lol ||

|| I have self imposed no items/retries/Morpho Knight sword and Forgo hammer ||

[tidal spindle]

||I wasn’t banking super hard on galacta showing up, but yk I still expected a fully new secret boss since every kirby game arena gives a fully unique secret boss or phase. The crystal chaos elfilis is nice but feels more like a secret boss 1.5 then its own thing||

[astral lion]

|| Genwel is rough too, his phase 1 beam is as far as I have gotten ||

[still garnet]

Same but with an M Tomato

[edgy sapphire]

||I think phantom mk is a little nerfed since he tends to use the full 3 swing combo into the duel aerial crescent more often than the 2 hit + duel crescent instead||

||the two hit combo still exists, but i see it less often when dodging||

[astral lion]

|| I would be wicked curious to look under the hood and see how much faster/tankier/harder hitting phantom MK is ||

|| He feels like he should be the same but he's fast enough now to give me trouble ||

|| Soul Forgo is an oppressive bastard in the Forgo Leon fight too lol||

[true path]

||I wonder why Fecto Elfilis has a fluffy mammal tail, but Genwel Meteonelfilis has a more reptilian tail.||

[edgy sapphire]

||also the multi-clones for upper calibur isnt too hard nor different to clash against with sword since you just hit the main one just like before||

[true path]

But I find it a cool design.

[twin junco]

||decided to go full mewtwo||

[tidal spindle]

||The odd thing about the crystal chaos elfilis fight to me is that like, does elfilin just have 2 pieces of fecto elfilis’ soul now? I mean no reason to assume it’s ending isn’t canon but it being almost the same besides the starries escaping elfilis’ soul kinda feels like it devalues the original ultimate cup Z ending. The small bit of elfilis staying with elfilin felt like it was supposed to be final, like thats all elfilin would get to become whole, but no now there’s slightly more fecto elfilis in him, sure ||

[edgy sapphire]

||thought they would change it a bit up, but the most I can think of is that you start out losing a bit more than usual I think||

[true path]

||Genwel Meteonelfilis looks more draconic.||

[tidal spindle]

||I just realized what would meteorfilis’ elfilin equivalent look like? I need that actually ||

[true path]

Same!

||Meteonelfilin!||

[true path]

Dam.

[lapis reef]

A thing I noticed that probably doesn't mean anything, but ||once you've beaten the game, if you still have Starries to save, instead of flying off to the volcano (not there anymore) or into space, they fly directly into Elfilin.|| Which is probably nothing but just an interesting visual choice to me

[tidal spindle]

Huh, weird

[civic sun]

||Elfilis absorbed animals (especially mammals) while Genwel had (just) more Starry stuff, so Elfilis has more of those kinds of characteristics||

[pastel ravine]

|| Guess you could say Elfilin has friends inside of him||

[civic sun]

||Elfilis also has the axolotl stuff, more fluffy wings, mane, different antlers, etc.||

[tidal spindle]

||Maybe I didn’t get an important figurine yet but did we ever get a reason as to how chaos elfilis got the star stuff?
For now Imma assume they like combined with whatever traces of their brother was left after the battle in scw ||

[civic sun]

||small messy comparison thing from while back||

[red mango]

||apparently in the JP translation of the figurine it mentions that Chaos Elfilis was able to cross dimensions to obtain the other spear||

[civic sun]

yeah, ||which means spear contains part of their power too, which is interesting||

[tidal spindle]

||Did elfilis absorb animals before the split? Because elfilin also has mammalian traits so I feel like that implies a bit that those traits are more innate to elfilis itself||

[civic sun]

||yes||

[tidal spindle]

Ah ok then

[civic sun]

||they mention it started attacking the animals when it arrived||

[tidal spindle]

||All this time later and I still feel bad for all the animals…||

||Watching the starries specifically get to escape makes me both happy but also kinda sad only them got to live after chaos elfilis’ death at the same time||

[cosmic wave]

It's ok bc ultimately all of them will have to leave in the second dlc when the forgotten land wakes u-

[civic sun]

||oh yeah Elfilis's wings also feel more ear-like in general obviously (vs Genwel's being more hard with crystal-esque and starry elements, almost draconic, and just like wings)||

[north atlas]

Hi hello hi I was discussing with friends about the timeline of events and I wanted to see if anyone could poke holes into it in case I'm missing anything

[autumn turret]

||Wait Crystal Fleurina doesn't have the tornadoes during her not-black hole attack like the UCZ one did||

||Fraud ass easier attack variant smh||

[cosmic wave]

TUCZEX ||Ironically the new Chaos Elfilis is easier to freeze than the original, especially phase one of the o r b||

[wraith tartan]

||Can someone PLEASE explain to me why Genwel’s and Francisca’s attack patterns are so similar???????||

[gentle crow]

They’re so cool

[civic sun]

||Elfilis seems to be (part of) the reason islands (and possibly continents) started to sink, likely did not arrive on Forbidden Island or originally have anything to do with that||

[wraith tartan]

||Fuuuuuck I wanna tell Mangosteen but I don’t think they have this game yet 😭||

[north atlas]

ooh maybe, ||i was under the assumption that Elfilis's landing caused redgar to rise like how Meteon's landing caused the secret volcano island to rise||

[autumn turret]

ZEX ||Paid actual attention to the new gorimondo for the first time and lowkey dude's kinda crazy
Like Phantom Gorimondo was already surprisingly crazy but man he jumps so much||

[civic sun]

||well Genwel was looking to hit and sink Arrival Continent in the first place at the very least||

[cosmic wave]

This has probably been discussed before but are the phantom bosses like actually fully sentient beings or are they just puppets

[north atlas]

||thoughts: i do think redgar's volcano was created by Elfilis's arrival, kind of giving a proper explanation for Originull whilst also allowing Everbay, clearly perviously an industrial district of some sort, went underwater.||

[north atlas]

||i thought they were like residual psychic memories||

[silver turret]

hi i've been spoiling myself with reckless abandon

it's ok

[autumn turret]

||Wait could you hit Gigant Edge into phase 2 when he was dizzy from being backstriked when guarding
I thought he couldn't||

[cosmic wave]

I mean yeah, I'm moreso questioning if they're actually individuals capable of thinking or not

[wraith tartan]

Oh uh ok

||Anywayyyuy omg I was playing Guest Star Allies and fought Francisca and noticed that she had similar attacks to Genwel and I though that was interesting :D||

[silver turret]

tbh i can kinda see it... maybe

[north atlas]

Also I went in this completely convinced we'd get a lore drop on the Crystal from Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards 😭
I think that's kinda the last big powerful thingy that hasn't been recontextualized.

[silver turret]

also GOD the new ost is so good

[wraith tartan]

||Mainly the whole summoning homing crystals to hit you and make more crystals thing||

[silver turret]

||doesnt he also drag his weapon across the ground and make a crystal trail lol. it's a coincidence but it's fun to think about||

[wraith tartan]

||Yeah I just thought the attack was pretty interesting similar||

[silver turret]

yuki kato is responsible for like 3 songs on this ost but i already love the guy's style

[lapis reef]

If nothing else, I do think it's funny that ||the crystals basically just act like ice on a lot of cases and "freeze" you when you get hit by certain attacks. I know it's not literally ice, but it's the same vibe lol||

[cosmic wave]

Ice is part of the elemental trinity...

I wonder if they'll ever expand on the significance of the elemental trinity, it's definitely important to some degree

I have my own theory on it

The four matters are fundamental forces but in the way that quantum particles and quarks are, ie, unobservable without very specific equipment
The elemental trinity represents the actual observable forces of primordial heat (the first stars), primordial cold (the vacuum of space) and primordial motion (orbits and electrons etc)

[autumn turret]

||Oh Phantom MK can actually use the upper calibur variant where he only spawns 1 clone in phase 2 of the ZEX battle||

||He used it like literally right after the new variant like within 2 seconds||

[twin junco]

||all these guys died too fast for me to see these cool attacks lol||

[light quail]

||y'know when I saw that one I was thinking "is this one gonna be fly-proof" but nope it's countered just as easily lol||

[autumn turret]

lol

[lapis reef]

Lol yeah I'm glad ||you can still fly over it, but man it would have been funny if you couldn't||

[autumn turret]

||oh could you dodge through Forgo Dedede's lava trails in base game
I know you can't dodge through actual lava level terrain but I don't remember not being able to dodge through forgo dedede's lava trails||

[edgy sapphire]

||speaking of fly-proof, I wish that crystal chaos had meteo's vertical spear slam for its half-moon spear swipes||

[autumn turret]

||In general I wish chaos had a lot more things from Genwel lol||

[edgy sapphire]

real

it's all likely just time constraints / not wanting to burn off more resources on a dlc, but it would've been great if so

[autumn turret]

||Eh I think they just didn't want elfilis and genwel to be seen as too similar||

[edgy sapphire]

||it wouldnt really hurt for chaos to have some carry-overs since there really isnt a whole lot it gets other than mainly crystal spawning or firing off projectiles||

[twin junco]

||people still think theyre the same lmao||

[livid gust]

||tbh both Meteonelfilis and Elfilis already have very similar moves with the difference being that the former spawns crystals when he attacks||

||Meteonelfilis also does a smash attack that Elfilis doesn't have and he also spawn clones when he uses his version of Green Flash||

[sudden onyx]

Z EX ||Fecto Forgo in Forgo Leon's fight didn't shoot two or even three shockwave bullets, right? I think most of Morpho attacks come out faster||

[autumn turret]

||Yea Soul Forgo used to only shoot one ball at a time
Lowkey I dunno if I'm just imagining it but Soul Forgo honestly looks less chaotic to me than it did in the original||

[timber plaza]

||ngl bro gives me so much chance to dodge and attack||

[still garnet]

||The fact that he instantly explodes now caught me of guard twice somehow||

[stuck ether]

[UCZEX Final Boss]
||I cannot tell of Phase 1 Chaos Elfilis is easier or he just has more "attack opportunities"||

[timber plaza]

||Phase 2 is easier for me 😭 😭 ||

[stuck ether]

||ESPECIALLY with any move where he has to shoot icicles at me, that right there could be free insta-counter-charges with something like hammer||

||Phase 2 has more noticible "stalling", with stuff like the sun beams and blood clones, where it's about surviving than finding an opportunity to attack. Morpho Sword's the only evolution where you can actually hit the guy during the clone segments.||

[autumn turret]

||Ranger staring at the ball that's still onscreen: "And I took that personally"||

||I think the craziest thing to me is that Chaos Elfilis 1's Antares Meteor is just unchanged in the ZEX version
That's like by far their worst attack but they left it completely unboosted||

[stuck ether]

||Ok so having 1 giant meteor wasn't enough, so he throws in another. But he's a fair player, so he waits for the meteorites to fall down before he considers flying back in||

[autumn turret]

||God I'm going to be fantasizing about being able to mod ZEX until the day I die, which will absolutely come before the day the Switch 2 get's hacked ||

[stuck ether]

The change is really simple: ||Just have him land down mere moments upon the 2nd impact||

[autumn turret]

||Like if magically S2 modding became a thing we could do tomorrow idk what I'd want to make more
Just make Chaos Elfilis have all the extra attack properties of Genwel
Or like make you fight both Genwel and Elfilis at the same time||

[true path]

||I like how Genwel Meteonelfilis looks more dragon like, while Fecto Elfilis looks more mammal.||

[autumn turret]

||Genwel especially in phase 2 is so fucking dragon coded I love it||

||Also I wonder how big Giant Impact Genwel is relative to Void and Master Crown, pretty sure he's way bigger?||

||Like he's way smaller than Chaos's phantom shadow giant impact thing but still||

[timber plaza]

||another day of my brain infested by unfinished song and cry||

[timber plaza]

||honestly with the character and item size being different and are funny for each game, it’s hard to actually determine who’s bigger than what lol But I feel like Mefilis is bigger than either of them at least in the size of FL+SCW standard||

[smoky river]

||I wonder if elfilis can also turn giant||

[autumn turret]

||Actually measuring Giant Impact Genwel would be pretty easy if we just make the assumption that the phase 3 core is the same size as Void Termina's core||

[true path]

||That crystal tail slam is so dragon.||

||Fecto Elfilis didn't have a tail attack, because its tail is a fluffy tail.||

[autumn turret]

||The tail slam is so dragon I love it
Random fact about me I've never said anywhere I constantly imagine dragons, especially rayquaza from pokemon, doing like a front flip thing where they slam their tail down like an ax
Just random imagery that constantly pops up into my head while I'm thinking about random shit||

||Void Termina got so close dragging the ax behind them like a tail but then they don't actually flip when they swing the axe, it just stops following their tail smh||

[timber plaza]

||the first detail my eyes went aside from void ahhh circle on top of its head was the tail, and Im like “I HOPE IT SLAMS THAT TAIL” So glad he actually slammed it in the fight||

[true path]

||Genwel's ear wings are also different. They are pointier and more triangular.||

[autumn turret]

||They have to make the funny star-shape after all||

[true path]

||I love how the star shape in the laser attack isn't a star portal, but its wings!||

[timber plaza]

||welcome back, dark nebula||

[true path]

||Yeah it reminded me of dark nebula too.||

[autumn turret]

||Honestly one thing that disappointed me about the fight
B/c its almost like they're building up to it
But then they weren't building up they just stumbled into it and made it so dissatisfying
Is the fact that he never shoots a Giant Fuck You Laser in phase 2||

||Like they make him do the star-ears in phase 1 and shoot a laser and you definitely see this attack
And then in phase 2 he flies into the background and starts making the star-ears again and you're like
Holy shit he's gonna fire a laser again but he's giant now!!!!!
And then he just makes some half-moons||

[twin junco]

||void termina summoning master crowns to make lasers will always go hard to me like that thing has alleged universal power and this guys makin like 4 of em at once||

[true path]

||Genwel isn't very smart... SIR, YOU HAVE NO REASON THAT YOU HAVE TO GET CLOSE TO THE PLATFORM!||

[autumn turret]

||HAL will come kill him if he doesn't
Me staring at Magolor teleporting back to Kirby instead of spamming black hole in the bg 500 times||

[true path]

||Just tip the platform over!||

[smoky river]

Ok which kirby boss actually had a good reason to not fight back
I think sectonia kinda counts due to her being mostly stationary in her dreamstalk form

[autumn turret]

||Man with his giant sword hands and they just get stuck in the random floating rock half a meter deep
Dumbass can't even break a chunk of rock!||

[twin junco]

||do they ever say where the hell we even fight void termina or nah, like the big 3d cracked mirror platform||

[true path]

||Also, you don't have to keep your hands floating up there for so long before you slam. Just drum on the stage!||

[autumn turret]

||The track that plays before the fight is called To the Distant Sea of Stars
Well idr wtf its called in English
But TL;DR its just some random fucking place we've never seen before||

[true path]

"If Kirby bosses were smart: :Haha! Ima teleport on top of you and do free contact damage!"

[twin junco]

||i have a theory||

[silver solar]

||You think they're gonna name Lord of Chaos' boss summoning attack "THE DREAM DISCOVERIES TOUR" like they named the black hole attack "and here we are"?||

[autumn turret]

||English name is Introduction: To Distant Seas of Stars apparently||

[twin junco]

||another dimension top.||

[elfin lance]

yes

[chrome vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/game-theory-game-theory-its-just-a-theory-game-theorists-gif-20883020

[sage jewel]

https://fixupx.com/daidoujicomplex/status/1069107732010098689/video/1

blizzy (@daidoujicomplex)

#KirbyStarAllies #NintendoSwitch wave 3 spoilers
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I like to call this the old Wriggle Kick

[small cloak]

oh that's beautiful

[sage jewel]

Knight bosses are particularly guilty of this

[autumn turret]

||I love watching RtDL players fight Grand Doomer and Magolor and constantly fly in the middle of the screen for no reason then complain about the boss teleporting into them||

[sage jewel]

Galacta Knight in planet robobot is an absolute twat for contact damage

[light quail]

telefragging meanie...

[autumn turret]

||Knight fights when they purposefully walk into you
AM DMK trauma from the depths of memory||

[sage jewel]

One of the best things about FL is that bosses don’t do that anymore

[autumn turret]

||Errr Phantom MK but good||

[sage jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gato-scared-asustado-garn47-gif-4540938067992454663

[smoky river]

When I make a boss, when the boss teleports, they won’t count as a hit

[jolly veldt]

Can’t send the picture but I 100%d star crossed world

Peak dlc

Almost rivals the botw dlc …

[light quail]

Check #important-information for this btw

Also grats!

[timber plaza]

wait meow did you beat scw?

[jolly veldt]

Tytyyyy

Spoilered just in ase

[light quail]

Yuhh 100%

[timber plaza]

yippeeee

lowkey I cant remember who has 100% the game and so on lol

[light quail]

Fair lmao it's hard to keep track

[autumn turret]

WAIT WTF

ZEX ||PHANTOM FORGO DEDEDE'S SHOCKWAVES DON'T KILL THE ENEMIES HE SUMMONS ANYMORE||

[normal holly]

||so his Shockwave got friendly fire proof thing basically? ||

[autumn turret]

||I'm gonna have to find some S2E non ZEX Phantom Forgo Dedede footage to see if that's a change they made for ZEX or if they just like
Accidentally fucking broke it ||

[civic sun]

||forget, can normal Phantom Dedede kill enemies in his fight||

[autumn turret]

||Oh wtf Morpho can just frame 1 come out of teleport in the air and throw the aerial moonshots at you||

[autumn turret]

Uhhhhh pretty sure he can

[civic sun]

||wonder if that was changed at all here too then||

[timber plaza]

was looking back at my stream for the ||phantom forgo dedede and I forgot how cute he looks in this animation||

[timber plaza]

I’ll check rn

||just phantom forgo?||

[autumn turret]

||Yea, the shockwaves of his jump attack after he summons a bunch of animals||

[timber plaza]

Gotcha

Let me speedrun

Wow ||MK is annoying!!!!!!!!||

[autumn turret]

||Oh right me when forgo dreams bosses are at the end of stupid long levels moment||

[stray umbra]

Weird lookin dog fr

[timber plaza]

Me waiting for 50 years

Dang I got hit while I was typing this

[autumn turret]

ZEX ||Oh he can spawn different colored ones at the same time||

[civic sun]

||ah, thought it was weird if they couldn't (Drawcia Soul also summoned multiple colors at once)||

[autumn turret]

OK nice, ||so they specifically made it so ZEX Phantom Forgo Dedede doesn't kill the enemies with shockwaves||

[timber plaza]

Not related to the SCW || but I’m about to test if UCZ chaos Elfilis dupe glitch works still (failed once)||

[chrome vigil]

That is such a random change

[autumn turret]

||I mean it finally means that Phantom Forgo Dedede is actually also stronger and not just shuffled attacks ig ||

[chrome vigil]

||Didn’t star crossed world remove the hammer glitch?||

[civic sun]

don't need it to do that

[chrome vigil]

…huh?

You don’t?

[autumn turret]

You can dupe elfilis by flying offscreen during deadly sun if they spawn the tallest rock stack at the edge

[civic sun]

yeah, or if you can get enough distance in general

[timber plaza]

Twice fail

[autumn turret]

Oh yea ig things like Fire should just be able to dash attack to the edge where ever the tallest stack is huh

[civic sun]

video in base game

[light quail]

that fucking cutoff bro WHAT LOL

[timber plaza]

Can’t do it

Tried it 5 times

I can’t tell if I SUCK at it or the walls are now up impossible

[civic sun]

did take me a few tries in base game, but not looking good for it

do know there's other glitches to get height, but idk how many of them work here (and some are really hard/tedious and slow)

[timber plaza]

I give up

I tried it several times and I can’t do it

I don’t wanna fight for another 30 mins LOL

I was in middle of fighting in TA RTDLDX </3

[patent sluice]

ZEX ||literally when the soul phases started doing elemental attacks i said out loud "ohh so we doin miracle matter bullshit today"||

[smoky river]

What do you think

[autumn turret]

Wait yukkuri you just played UCZ to get to chaos elfilis right

Did you notice anything weird about Blazar Cutter

Ok no it just happened again on the stream I'm watching they fucking broke Blazar Cutter on Chaos Elfilis' core

https://www.twitch.tv/shyfry0/clip/NimbleConcernedFalconPoooound-lYm_8eZDUljJGddW

The core teleports away before the first set of blazar cutters is over now

[icy tapir]

sounds like someone didnt use delta time

[civic sun]

really pulling a Void Termina/Soul with this shit lmao

[icy tapir]

what happened with VT and Void Soul

[timber plaza]

You know what Imma just stream UCZ later today in vc

[autumn turret]

They broke the color on Void Termina's laughing needles so they're just black instead of purple like void's body now

[timber plaza]

I didn’t noticed much weird ahh stuff but at same time my Chaos Elfilis somehow attacked out of the boundary where the cutter didn’t even reach the stage

[smoky river]

||This morning, a NEICHEL fan that had chosen to remain anonymous caught a glimpse of her after a show. She was seen without her elusive hat for the first time ever. And what’s beneath it… Is horrifying. She had the eyes and antlers of alien invader, ID-F86. Whether or not this is true is unknown, as the fan only has a sketch depicting what they saw. This is NEW WORLD Gossip, your best outlet for unknown news.|| FANART, SPOILERS

[autumn turret]

1.0.0-3.0.0 vs 4.0.0

[civic sun]

also did some actually intentional changes too (which they're doing with Chaos Elfilis as well)

[timber plaza]

But if you wanna join I can stream it later today in this server’s vc

If you wanna check

[civic sun]

how much later

[timber plaza]

Idk not now because I’m playing RTDLDX </3

[autumn turret]

Oh have you noticed any changes to UCZ chaos elfilis besides horizontal orbital pulsars no longer predicting Kirby's movement

[timber plaza]

Maybe in like 12 hours

[civic sun]

just whatever you've posted in here

[autumn turret]

ah ok

[civic sun]

there was visual thing too wasn't there lol, forget what move it was

[autumn turret]

Oh right

[smoky river]

What do you think

[autumn turret]

They added a blue shockwave visual on top of the original shockwave visual

[timber plaza]

If I end up streaming here I do have to be careful not to accidentally show a SCW content LOL

[smoky river]

What do you guys think of my art

[autumn turret]

Which I think the purpose was to make the visual less misleading since I saw a lot of people would land on the shockwave thinking it wasn't active anymore when it was visually fading out

So that would apply to Kuiper Belt Wave and also Shoemaker Levys

Ok I checked a video of the s1 version and the problem isn't the core teleporting away before the first cutter ended it actually always did that

Problem is just that the cutters before would return to the position they started from but now they're returning to the core's new position instead

[smoky river]

||Sources indicate that this may be tied to the warp incident that split off the specimen into two separate beings in Lab Discovera, but all is unknown as nothing shows that NEICHEL was present at the scene. Perhaps she was, and got partially mutated?||

[chrome vigil]

I would guess that’s ||because the new Elfilis in UCZEX would use that code for its own cutter attack where it flies around while shooting cutters?||

||Could be that they fucked this up by adding that code||

[autumn turret]

||Yea they probably broke something when making the cutters do new things for ZEX||

[timber plaza]

||can’t wait for a random update that fixes it||

[autumn turret]

||But then again they also broke the shadows for the debris in Forgo Leon's Howling Cannon and I haven't noticed them change anything about that attack||

[chrome vigil]

||And adds Galacta Knight to the game||

[chrome vigil]

Maybe that one has to do with the new attacks from ||The new Elfilis fight|| that uses those shadows

||Considering is used Leon’s attacks||

[autumn turret]

||That would be funny if they broke that b/c they were adding Leongar to Chaos Elfilis fight
It'd be weird since like Leongar doesn't create debris in the chaos elfilis fight in the first place and its not like leongar not creating debris on howling cannon is new behavior but who knows
If we applied logic there'd be no reason for story mode void termina's laughing needles to get broken in SA 4.0.0 lol||

[patent sluice]

ZEX || while this new boss rush us mostly great i think the galactals are really poorly designed to do with no ability cause they have way too much health and only 3 attacks. It dead ass takes 2 minutes to kill one galactal with stars its way too long||

Its just a huge pace breaker and its not even hard

I think I'll make a tier list for all the bosses in the game later

ZEX is top tier fights overall

||lord of chaos soul might just be one of the greatest fights not only of the series but of all time, we willsee if honeymoon phase wears off on this one but it felt so finely tuned||

[autumn turret]

||I've noticed the ZEX Planetarium Dream Tour easily gets mobbed by like more than half the players I watch b/c it starts with the Core placing all of its bits in one spot right under it at the start||

||So it just baits itself into letting you destroy all its bits and skipping the attack
Luckily it moves on really quickly||

[junior zealot]

||it regardless sets a fantastic standards for future boss fights in 3d kirbies which just makes me very excited for whatever hal cooks up next||

[patent sluice]

The thing is

I dont think unless they do a dlc like this again they wont do something like this

Its clear to me that cause this was an add on they felt they could break the chains more

So I dont expect the next mainline games to go this hard

At least at base

I think what kuma said about elfilis still rings true to them he is pretty difficult for beginners as a base game boss

[junior zealot]

i meaan, personally speaking, it felt like new fights in dlc are closer to what modern 2d games were doing for a while

and the reason base FL didnt really come close is because of their relative inexperience with the medium

and the desire to play it safe

and DLC simply pushed it further because they already know what works and what doesnt

[neat shuttle]

I think the DLC is mostly that it's aimed at players with more experience with the game

[patent sluice]

Yea I feel like its special here

[neat shuttle]

and I mean

The content is unlocked only after a little while

[junior zealot]

i didnt really mean in terms of difficulty. although, like i said, i feel like in terms of difficulty its not too dissimilar from what we got in extra modes in the past

[patent sluice]

But i think this shows HAL is not unable to make tough but fair stuff

[junior zealot]

i meant in terms of scope and variety of attacks (and how creative it is)

[neat shuttle]

oh yeah

[patent sluice]

They just choose not to

[neat shuttle]

But Kirby to them, is for beginners first

the DLC... kind of by definition, it's not really for beginners

[junior zealot]

but in regards to difficulty, yeah im not certain. although they can always work on that aspect more considering FL introduced difficulty select but its not that in-depth

and really just "baby mode" and "normal mode" lol

[neat shuttle]

HAL could always do something hard if they want

[junior zealot]

RTDX didnt bother with that and just had a baby mode as an option

[neat shuttle]

but that's not what Kirby is, to them

Kirby will still probably follow this formula:

• Base Story should be easy to finish
• Extra Story expects players with more experience and can allow itself to be harder because it shows up after you did the base story

[patent sluice]

Spring breeze was prolly made cause they were afraid it would be hard by complexity

Being 3d and such

[junior zealot]

the stated reason for difficulty select was to appease to western fans specifically

[autumn turret]

Nah with Spring Breeze Mode and Helper Magolor I think super baby mode is a new staple

[patent sluice]

Cause yea 3d games can be harder for newbies to grasp

[neat shuttle]

I think Super Baby Mode will stay

and I mean

[junior zealot]

super baby mode is a staple and i certainly dont mind

because uh

otherwise we get games like star allies

[neat shuttle]

...whatever, it can stay, you don't have to use it

[junior zealot]

where super baby mode is the default and you can do nothing about it

[patent sluice]

I tgink the game was designed with wild mode as the base

[junior zealot]

definitely

coin economy shows that the most lol

[neat shuttle]

Kirby is about showing the ropes to newbies

[autumn turret]

I think the weird thing about Helper Magolor is like
with spring breeze mode you can keep it on for Forgo Dreams but in RtDL DX there's no helper magolor in Extra mode
So you can just go from having like 80 HP doing the base game to 24 HP doing extra mode

[patent sluice]

SA is only super baby mode cause it just straight up is not designed for one player

[neat shuttle]

and rewards those who takes more risk

[patent sluice]

And its a mess

No collectables yadda yadda

[icy tapir]

honestly they should just

make bigger EX modes

[neat shuttle]

well

they seem to be kind of doing that for 3 games now lol

[patent sluice]

ZEX sillydillo was actually good

||mixing in the dance partners more sporadically and bombs was a welcome change ||

[elfin lance]

star allies is fucked up and awesome. the ultimate 7/10

[neat shuttle]

but yeah, EX is usually "make more with what's already there", it's kind of the cheap mode but still tries to be good fun

[autumn turret]

The thing about extra modes will always be that, as much as we want to discard these people, a disappointingly large group will see credits roll and say 'I beat the game, I don't care if there's another 4 hours of postgame the credits rolled so this was a 5 hour game this shit is garbage'

[junior zealot]

RTDX is showing kids like it is

well in fairness

RTDX also has inventory system

[patent sluice]

SA is a whole can of worms i dont know how to talk about anymore

[junior zealot]

so it should make things simpler if you are in a pinch in extra mode

[elfin lance]

its still got the most fun arena to me

[neat shuttle]

I don't wanna talk SA much tbh

[junior zealot]

sa is a game i respect but have no real desire to go back to

[icy tapir]

Exaccctly

[junior zealot]

like i genuinely respect it a lot but. idk man

[elfin lance]

wish they’d switch 2 patch it

[icy tapir]

just have EX mode as a main marketin ghting

[elfin lance]

a lot

[autumn turret]

mooood

[smoky river]

What do you think abt this

[neat shuttle]

Honestly I just sum up Star Allies in this way: The game took a huge risk, and for some, it paid off, and others it didn't at all

[junior zealot]

FL didnt advertise its own but to be fair it also tried making it more obvious there is post-game stuff than other previous games

[autumn turret]

That's actually my biggest gripe about FL

[junior zealot]

tbh thats their problem because idk about them, but when i get a game, im squeezing them for all their worth

[elfin lance]

it’s a weird game for your console debut tbh but i love it for that

[autumn turret]

Every other game when you beat the game you get put in the main menu, which is where they go 'look at all the things you unlock'
But FL's main menu is waddle dee town
But they don't put you there after beating the game, they put you on the title screen and so you don't get told about postgame unless you press continue
And the funny lion bubble scene just makes dumb people go 'oh sequel?'

[neat shuttle]

I remember when people said Star Allies was the one too much game and I always felt like that's wrong

[elfin lance]

you gotta be a very dumb people to think that.

[junior zealot]

yeah i think there was a better way to communicate it

maybe add a subtitle on the title screen?

[patent sluice]

I can tell you one thing im never ever playing SCW while doing the main game ever again

[junior zealot]

or just dont dump the player on the title screen after the credits lol

[patent sluice]

That shit does nuke the pacing

[autumn turret]

Unfortunately I'd say 80% of the playthroughs I've seen of this game have been by dumb people with their interpretation of the leongar postcredits as the basis

[patent sluice]

Which is what I was thinking it would do

[junior zealot]

yeah i appreciate them making it available as soon as possible but i feel like its best played as part of the post-game

[elfin lance]

isnt there a whole bit with Mysterious Portal appearing

[patent sluice]

Luckily its optional and im just gunna treat it like another post game

[autumn turret]

That was
Literally the point of everything I just said
The game doesn't put you in waddle dee town to show you that
You have to press Continue on the title screen unlike every previous Kirby game that automatically tells you after credits what you've unlocked

[elfin lance]

oh forgot

[neat shuttle]

Actually would be easily solved with one thing

a notification after "To be continued..."

[elfin lance]

i finished the main game once ever

[junior zealot]

i do prefer waddle dee town to simple menu because its more charming but they have more kinks to work out with this approach

[neat shuttle]

but before the title screen

done

[junior zealot]

yeah

thats exactly what they should have done

[elfin lance]

yes absolutely I super love the “menus” being diegetic like that

[junior zealot]

and probably what they will do next time

[elfin lance]

i hope those orange guys don’t go back to being enemies ever.

[autumn turret]

I mean that would be redundant to have an unlock notification after the postcredits and then to have the sceen in waddle dee town I think they should've just automatically put you in waddle dee town instead of on the title screen after credits, again like how every previous kirby game put you in the main menu and not the title screen

[patent sluice]

It dropping you at the title screen is a non issue tbh

[civic sun]

they should just say 'And more.....' again

[junior zealot]

not impossible. even RTDX had to work around that by claiming they are special "naughty" waddle dees lol

which is still the funniest thing to me

[autumn turret]

No but seriously
The one time I want localizers to please clarify what the ambiguous text means and they don't

[junior zealot]

how did they become naughty. what made them go and rebel against the system

what did they do

[civic sun]

tbf Wise Waddle Dee says the same about the Awoofies iirc?

[junior zealot]

he just calls them awoofies

he doesnt specify what kind of awoofies they are

[civic sun]

ah, maybe I'm misremembering

[autumn turret]

I mean it was kind of worded as an elbow statement
"oh wow Kirby look at all those waddle dees you killed, I'm sure everything you kill must've been b/c they were being bad"

[junior zealot]

maybe

but its funnier to think that some waddle dees just went renegade

[livid gust]

Waddle rogues

[autumn turret]

Waddle Against the Machine

[civic sun]

こらしめました....

[smoky river]

Guys

What do you think of this

[icy tapir]

what

[civic sun]

see what we were talking about above lol

(こらしめました means to punish, discipline, etc., both Magolor and Wise Waddle Dee use it though they localized it differently)

[smoky river]

So uhh guys ive been having no reactions for my art lately

[tired escarp]

Can't read japanese, is the first picture number of worldwide defeated Waddle Dees and the second picture is number of worldwide defeated Awoofys? If so, wow...that's a massive difference. I know Forgotten Land sold much more than RTDX, but 2 billion difference in defeated enemies is crazy

[livid gust]

I feel like they should also do this not just for the Awoofies, but for the other enemies in the game too

But the fact that we can know that kind of information about the awoofies is pretty cool

[smoky river]

Do you think hal will make waddle dees enemies again

[neat shuttle]

2 billion awoofies killed

you guys are monsters

[tired escarp]

I love this feature so much. Tracking worldwide player stats

Let's make those numbers raise more and more

[neat shuttle]

tbh I like them to some extent because you can kind of estimate the sales with it lol

[tired escarp]

And I hope the next mainline games have this feature too

[smoky river]

I feel like I've just turnt invisible

[livid gust]

Everytime 1000 Awoofies are obliterated, 1500 are born

[neat shuttle]

tbh it looks like it would be a staple of the rest lol

[smoky river]

I can't get anyone to see my messages

This is cool

[livid gust]

Wdym

[smoky river]

Oh ok

[neat shuttle]

we see your messages it's just that we also discuss like, other things?

[autumn turret]

Kapar

[civic sun]

yeah
though these pictures are old

[neat shuttle]

yes

they will be enemies again

Waddle Dees are just the little guys

[tired escarp]

oh, right. interesting. I'll see the stats myself later

[neat shuttle]

either they're like friends

[civic sun]

true, tell me about the Bronto Burts too at least

[warped elm]

Finished everything in SCW, and honestly, the levels were very very enjoyable. All the new mouthful modes felt so satisfying to use, the level designs in general were really pretty and creative. The music was great as always. I think || the new bosses were okay, some of the new moves meteonelfilis and lord chaos elfilis were insane I'll give it that but overall it didn't surprise me that much. ||

[neat shuttle]

or feel free to play Bandana Dee

and kill Waddle Dees

[smoky river]

Do you think most waddle dees know kirby killed them

And just

Doesn't care at all

[neat shuttle]

I think they don't care

[smoky river]

I hc that unless otherwise stated or if you're a final boss, everyone in kirby is immortal

[neat shuttle]

they just waddle

[autumn turret]

Kirby, I remember you're
-genocides

[civic sun]

not really a headcanon, they do just 'respawn like weeds' lol

been a setting since like Adventure era (shown in Pupupu Encyclopedia)

[junior zealot]

I think in terms of defeating enemies, except for most bosses they are canonically "beat up" rather than killed

But if Kirby inhales someone they aren't digested they just kinda respawn like Ultrby said

[civic sun]

also, even for final bosses, a bit of them live or have unclear status lol

[autumn turret]

Can

[smoky river]

Oh ok

Just worried it may be

[autumn turret]

Can't wait for them to reveal in the next game that Nightmare has respawned like four hundred times since Adventure across the years

[civic sun]

Dark Matter moment
||Meteonelfilis moment||

[ruby geode]

@smoky river remember that you can't post spoilers in canvas curse

[civic sun]

tbh I wouldn't be too surprised if he appeared again
considering how he was just randomly 'born' to begin with lmao

[smoky river]

It's not rlly scw related

[ruby geode]

literally this has been mentioned all the time in our spoiler policy announcements

[livid gust]

Wait but isn't that Neichel art not a spoiler though? It seems to be a what if situation

[smoky river]

Sorry abt that

[ruby geode]

I'll be the judge of that, keep it here

the way you posted it anyway in canvas-curse spoiler tagged is not proper too

[livid gust]

Well if it is considered a spoiler then I'll delete my message then

[ruby geode]

the way it is it looks like an actual spoiler

[smoky river]

Oh sorry

[ruby geode]

what message?

[livid gust]

My message that you just replied to a few moments ago

[ruby geode]

you're fine, the core issue here is the minimodding

remember we mods are here to help, ask us if you aren't unsure. don't assume "oh this is fine to post"

[livid gust]

Alright then

[smoky river]

So is the art itself okay?

[agile iris]

Just realized ||Why did sealing the great evil cause it to be released? Makes zero sense||

[livid gust]

||maybe Meteonelfilis had already grown too strong by that point? ||

||or maybe there was not enough Starries to seal him away||

[civic sun]

||also probably partially because it was actually on the planet already||

||or the seal was just too weak in general||

||definitely wasn't that strong if it started to fall off when it got to the new world lol||

||oh yeah also probably the fact it basically hit the ground afterwards (likely intentionally?), which also could've helped crack it||

[livid gust]

True

[civic sun]

||actually I guess it was already cracking either way||

[smoky river]

||Also meteonelfilis was prob slowly gaining energy while kirby was finding the starries||

[finite coral]

okay can we talk about ||void and the new star crossed world final boss. I read the interviews but I do believe kirby is the same species as void, but what was genwel phase 3? is genwel like void termina but the core is exposed? and why did fecto elfilis not have one?||

[civic sun]

||Void is just that child who is nothing, and is influenced by/dyed by various things, and can become anything||

||anyway we have no idea what relation between Elfilis species and Void is lol||

||they definitely parallel each other at least with how they work||

[finite coral]

||my take is that that the genwel void is a void that got fed starries instead of hearts||

[finite coral]

||yeah everyone looks at the interview to debunk the void kirby connection but he says at the beginning he cant really answer it cuz it dives into some stuff he doesnt wanna share or something like that. but the fact the final boss theme is green greens, and when u beat void u get a new kirby? just lines up too well.||

[civic sun]

||with Elfilis species straight-up consuming others, while Void is merely influenced and dyed by them/what it is made of||

[civic sun]

||?? there's more than one thing that mentions it||

||what I said came from one of the HAL Blog posts lol||

||it's also partially mentioned in soundtrack site interview, and multiple times in the artbook||

||+hinted at ingame, moreso in JP (also see name)||

[finite coral]

||also there are as many voids as there are skies and with the return to dreamland remake showing anither void in magalor soul fight... also what was that about.||

[civic sun]

||we have no idea lmao, seems to be Void Soul-ish in particular though||

[finite coral]

||maybe its showing the origin of voids?||

||like what my takeaway is is that voids or these ball orb creatures appear from the bottom of the anither dimention, waiting to be turned into something depending on what kinda energy it gets.||