LEAKS for Star-Crossed World (and FL Switch 2)

[dire ledge]

i mean. look at Star Dream Soul OS

[pulsar nexus]

I also feel like someonen already found this info as well

[tender kernel]

what is it

[coral falcon]

I'm so curious, what is it

[round quiver]

i'm not gonna call something like void termina "evil" because it was like. literally just born

that thing has the iq of an infant

[paper spade]

Id argue yes, otherwise wouldn't a creature with no morality doing "evil" just be mindless and instinctual destruction?

[dire ledge]

im not having this conversation all you need to know is Star Dream Soul OS as an example

[round quiver]

Star Dream isn't evil, it's a machine.
A machine that would do ungodly amounts of horror but it was designed to do anything to maximize profits.

[pulsar nexus]

sending the video rn

I spent 5 min making it

[coral falcon]

Okay lmao because I was gonna say, is this convo about to turn into a discussion about the definiton of evil

[paper spade]

But wasn't Star Dream just following protocol?

[pulsar nexus]

it looks like youtube short :sob

[mossy bridge]

I'd chip in that morality is required to be EVIL but not required to be an opposing anatonistic force.
Evil inherintly implies it's done with ill intention and against morals.

[round quiver]

not gonna call a hammer "evil" for doing what a hammer was built to do.
now the creation and intent of the person who made the hammer? that can be evil

[last fox]

(100%) ||can I comment about how Yuki Kato cooked||

[odd tree]

A starving lion is dangerous, but it's not evil it's just hungry

[dire ledge]

yes

[pulsar nexus]

||Neichel unfinished track||

[mossy bridge]

Yea its definitely not your friend, and against you. But not with any grand intentions other than it just is

[odd tree]

Oh ok I'll have to look at that later

[tender kernel]

||yeah someone just posted it but good to have better video lol||

[dire ledge]

Oh of course it has ||morse code||

Of course

[elder ice]

||Why do i hear the freedom motif||

[pulsar nexus]

WHHAHGHG

[dire ledge]

why wouldnt it

[elder ice]

why do i hear it

It’s in the beginning

[paper spade]

To me, this is probably was Elfilis was like before being captured. A fetus just trying to gain energy so it can grow up big and strong

[round quiver]

|| ok question what exactly is Neichel ||

[last fox]

||a person in real life who's dapper looking||

[round quiver]

ok cool

[coral falcon]

||This track is stupidly fucking insane||

[odd tree]

tbh we don't know enough about Elfilis, but at minimum yeah not someone you want to stand next to and invite to a picnic, regardless

[coral falcon]

||like it's not even a major revelation in the morse code, but the fact is is that is has morse code||

[last fox]

It's just funny how Yuki Kato suddenly showed up and is like "oh hi I'm Lead Sound on this i didn't work on anything else before"

[coral falcon]

||and then proceeds to some of the craziest musical storytelling of the series||

[round quiver]

you think if elfilis tried to invade popstar earlier in the timeline he'd end up as a dream friend

[coral falcon]

Well, I guess that presumes that every track was overseen by her, what does Lead Sound entail as a position?

[last fox]

(100%) ||Well the craziest part is because of Kumazaki who wrote the lyrics||

[elder ice]

If you are a bad guy in kirby you either become:
a friend
Or
Dead

[last fox]

All Sound and Music

[round quiver]

sometimes both!

[coral falcon]

Is this bars

[round quiver]

marx looked pretty dead to me for a while.
then star allies

[coral falcon]

Speaks for itself I guess lol

[paper spade]

|| From the figure I think it's fair to interpret that Elfilis entire species and culture is likely crash Land somewhere, absorb enough energy to reach perfection and and obtain a spear (which I would say, the spears are their rite of passage for said culture) ||

[last fox]

Ando is still Lead Music, because that's because he decided to focus on music

Ohara and Kato focus on everything

[coral falcon]

The goat does not stop

but Ohara and Kato are incredibly impressive to

[last fox]

I mean

[coral falcon]

So many of my fave tracks from this DLC are by them I think

[last fox]

this is the first mainline game that has every single HAL composer since like

Squeak Squad?

[tender kernel]

oh god this is all of them huh

[last fox]

Shimooka did not work on SCW, but I mean, it still counts

[tender kernel]

ah

[last fox]

He worked on FL

still counts to me

[coral falcon]

Avengers Infinity War of Kirby music

[last fox]

||also one of his songs got remixed||

[tender kernel]

yeah it's still crazy either way

[round quiver]

|| I wonder if there are more of elfilis' species somewhere ||

[last fox]

It actually beats the amount of composers in Dream Buffet as a result

[elder ice]

Magolor:

[last fox]

heck, even Ikegami worked on SCW

he did the theme song

[tender kernel]

and also wondering about Momo Kodama, they're just Sound Support here but are they like, the new sound person who joined HAL recently?

[elder ice]

Why does neichel’s || unfinished song|| sound rlly modern

[last fox]

We will not really know very much lol

[round quiver]

I find it so funny that they made his eyes yellow because it was the color of betrayal in christianity or something

[elder ice]

Like it sounds like smth from like a japanese singer

[tender kernel]

yellow on him in general, not just the eyes

[paper spade]

I think it was because yellow is the color of Judas?

[empty osprey]

There is a discord bug where things just sometimes don’t

[tender kernel]

and then white is 'justice' iirc

on normal Magolor specifically

[elder ice]

||I think neichel’s last song is a hint to the next kirby game||

Actually the whole dlc is a hint to the next game

[tender kernel]

||not entirely sure about that, but do feel like they'll do more with the song at least||

||especially if we get small soundtrack release||

[last fox]

I don't think they would do that

it would be so unusual

[elder ice]

||Neichel comes back for the 35th anniversary concert with a finished version of her song||

[last fox]

HAL always seemed more like the kind of dev who just likes surprises

and sure, if they did that, that would be a surprise

but it would set kind of a dangerous precedent lol

[paper spade]

I got the book

[round quiver]

love how I can loosely describe magolor's epilogue to non-kirby players as "Judas squares up against the original sin to try and redeem himself"

man tho. one of those early magolors looked a lot like haltman

[leaden granite]

WHATEVER MAN.

SURE WHY NOT.

(100% spoiler) ||they are absolutely using a snippet of this song in a future song btw. and we are gonna go insane when we hear that.||

[elder ice]

It’s rlly funny how one of the pinned messages is just a genuinely unhinged neichel theory

[pulsar nexus]

||my exact thought, I will honestly eat it up||

[tender kernel]

||they already made me go little insane by using it in the HAL Room lmao||

[mossy bridge]

To the left you'll see "what am i looking at confusing visuals" design, and to your right youll see senior Haltmann

[pulsar nexus]

||I was surprised by the hal room LOL||

[elder ice]

imagine if neichel was actually like an actual artist and began making songs to share on youtube

If that happens

[coral falcon]

(figure spoiler) ||I think at most the starries will return in some way, cuz it was kinda teased. Same vein as morpho knight appearing in this game after being teased in KSA||

[elder ice]

What are you guys going to do

[sand saddle]

||Bro is there like 0 footage of para matter because you can't just disable them instantly 😭 ||

[round quiver]

ok looking through now and seeing the original
Starwalker
as dark nebula is sending me

[tender kernel]

||you mean Drawcia's? I've seen some||

[coral falcon]

Imploding

[elder ice]

Like as a not rlly arg thing

[leaden granite]

speaking of (100% spoiler, secret spoiler) ||HAL room. green tree memories being grouped with Welcome to the New World, TWINKLING STAR SHOWERS and Last Song... the implication here...||

[sand saddle]

||Here's some para matter footage ig||

[elder ice]

We should make fecto elfilis accounts and make comments on neichel’s youtube channel

[coral falcon]

Oh that's vile lol

[last fox]

100% ||well it would be funny to find a complete version of that last song in a future game...||

[elder ice]

“I’m kinda trapped in lab discovera can you please stop singing that”

[paper spade]

Why didn't we get baddie susie instead 😭

[round quiver]

hey the one we got is GREAT

[last fox]

anyway I need to sleep at this point

[round quiver]

Cute any day of the week

[paper spade]

You're RIGHT

[mossy bridge]

Forget baddie susie is that a hoodie with lil ears bottom right, or tiny hairbuns

[last fox]

I 100% finished Kirby again

...and I might replay ZEX

because I am actually having fun

[elder ice]

What if the next kirby had 2d and 3d

With kirby’s level design it kinda works

[round quiver]

yeah ZEX is kinda fun.

wait

[paper spade]

It's actually pretty small images on the page itself but it is like floating space buns

[mossy bridge]

Kirby Odyssey moment

[elder ice]

People are using this chat more than the spoiler thread

[odd tree]

Yes because we can talk zex and final boss (in spoilers tags)

[round quiver]

well yea cause this chat is for everything

spoilery I mean

while the other has restrictions

[mossy bridge]

yea some spoilers arent even allowed quite yet in spoilers

[odd tree]

There's the no spoilers at all channel, up to winter horns I think
there's the spoilers channel which disallows final boss
and this channel for final boss and everything after

You still have to mark your spoilers though in here

[round quiver]

man when can we get a final boss in the arena who's just like "you know what? lets get rid of that pesky copy ability"

[paper spade]

I mean these guys can't fawn over Niechel in the other chat so

[odd tree]

Magolor

[last fox]

I mean, Magolor did this lol

[elder ice]

I hc that neichel’s fanbase is 99% lesbians

[round quiver]

oh his soul fight does that?

[mossy bridge]

psh as if bosses could actually use their brains

[round quiver]

I forgot lol

[last fox]

yes

well

[round quiver]

I knew base magolor did

[odd tree]

He removed your ultra ability, but also if you have p2+ as kirby, they also lose normal ability

[round quiver]

but forgot that soul could. my bad

[pulsar nexus]

MAGOLOR

I HEARD MAGOLOR

[odd tree]

hi

[last fox]

yes Magolor

[elder ice]

“Wait why can’t i use that platform that can only be cut by the sword or cutter ability that insta kills kirby?”

[mossy bridge]

No u didnt

[round quiver]

more characters should kill your copy abilities like magolor did

power move

[paper spade]

They should do more troll puzzles like this tbh, funny as fuck

[mossy bridge]

Does Magolor taking your ability really count when he also conveniently provides you ultra enemies to inhale

[paper spade]

He's cocky like that

[tender kernel]

tbh Star Dream (Soul OS) sort of has similar vibe as this for how long the shooting segments are and I hope they never do it ever again

[round quiver]

remind me, what's the time dilation between the 2 dimensions like

[coral falcon]

Well it's quite scary after it took you Super Abilities to beat him and then his even stronger form just ejects the ability

[mossy bridge]

I may be stupid
🗨️

[round quiver]

the time dilation between forgotten land and popstar is notable enough that perhaps they could justify a timeskip while also making characters look the same.

[mossy bridge]

man every time i read star dream i wanna boot up robobot and wipe the floor with that idiot

that fight was so peak

[pulsar nexus]

I love mimicking magolor's hands movement irl

[paper spade]

Imagine chaos Elfilis just yoinks your ability away mid battle

[mossy bridge]

I like kamehameha'ing irl

[coral falcon]

I like how novel does it, where Kirby fights phase 1 alone and then it requires the full squad to take down phase 2

[mossy bridge]

uh. mimicking hand movement i mean

[round quiver]

"When did marx do all this"
"the timeskip bro"

[tender kernel]

how do you do some of the movements without detachable hands smh

[pulsar nexus]

by detaching my hands

[odd tree]

You are assuming their hands are not detachable

[round quiver]

oh wait, forgotten land's world is the one where lots of time passes faster than popstar

[tender kernel]

can you give me that power

[paper spade]

They're an ancient confirmed

[round quiver]

hey so like. is there a bluetooth range on magoor's hands.
if I take one far enough does it just flop or is there an invisible arm thing going on

[mossy bridge]

I know in the context this is of course referencing Kirby character design with floaty hands but my brain immediately went to those fancy dolls you can swap face plates and hand poses of

[round quiver]

if I lock one hand on the other side of a door can he still use it

[pulsar nexus]

I've always dreamed of stealing and locking up one of his hand

[odd tree]

I feel like the answer to this is whichever is funnier

[paper spade]

This is actually such a funny but also great question

[mossy bridge]

magoor 🥀

[pulsar nexus]

magorelor

[round quiver]

we need to study magolor in increasingly absurd situations to figure out how he works

[mossy bridge]

but yea I hc that beings with floaty hands use magic, and even if its not something they have to constantly think about keeping the connection its like an automatic response (breathing and heart beating for example). If theyre weak or low on magic the "connection" is lost

[leaden granite]

(100% spoiler, text spoiler) funny how there are 2 SCW spoilers in this

[round quiver]

me hiding one of magolor's hands in the microwave

[mossy bridge]

||Whats the second spoiler? Fly?||

[odd tree]

Good thing mags didn't lose all his power in the epilogue then, or you'd have to see him walking around with his hands tucked into his belt until he got enough energy to use them again

[leaden granite]

100% spoiler ||who the song plays for||

[mossy bridge]

hide it in the oven, so when someone goes to preheat the oven its a rude surprise

[paper spade]

Can we agree that some of Mags poses he hits in official renders are NOT it

[elder ice]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-mine-yoshitaka-mine-yakuza3-yakuza-intro-gif-26086953

[pulsar nexus]

I had a dream where magolor's hand getting crashed by a boulder rock and losing it the other day, it was awesome I think

[round quiver]

"hey magolor can you lend me a hand"
"sure"
"...I meant it literally"

[paper spade]

Like what is blud doin

[mossy bridge]

you think?

[dusty hedge]

Playing ultimate Z EX myself. ||Genuinely what the hell is that forgo Leon fight. I was not expecting it to be changed that much I was fighting for my life||

[round quiver]

cursed idea: Magolor has backup hands in a closet somewhere

[leaden granite]

||magologue jumpscare||

[round quiver]

in case he loses one

[last fox]

ZEX ||also, just to know: did the announcer actually call Kirby "Kirby of the Stars" in english||

[mossy bridge]

Swaps them out whenever they run out of charge

[odd tree]

YES

sorry ping

[leaden granite]

yes

[last fox]

(pings are fine)

[leaden granite]

there are 2 other instances

[last fox]

well shit

[paper spade]

Do we think if we like swapped Mags and Susie's hands, they work just fine?

[mossy bridge]

has a hand docking power station to juice the batteries i mean magic back up

[leaden granite]

||there's a "kirby of the stars" in an english song title, and astronomer dee said this at 100% completion||

[round quiver]

different hardware (people) so... probably not?

[elder ice]

||Magolor: hey i’m taking your theme for my side mode
Leon: ok, but i’m going to be taking two of your themes from your side mode.
Magolor: what-||

[odd tree]

Keeps one of those phone battery packs in his back pocket, just in case

[leaden granite]

oh sorry

||not astronomer dee||

[round quiver]

great now i'm just thinking of like.
"Hi! I'm Handyman waddle dee. I make hands for people"

[last fox]

||is it me or this is really the beginning of kind of trying to put everything in one basket and kind of increasingly put what was specific in japanese just worldwide||

[paper spade]

Mf need to update their hands Bluetooth version to 5.4

[pulsar nexus]

istg the main scw thread had an entire convo about magolor's hands for like 5 days in a row

[leaden granite]

100% spoiler

[round quiver]

it's a good conversation topic

[elder ice]

||Yea this is the first kirby game to refer to kirby as kirby of the stars in english||

[last fox]

well listen, Magolor's hands are a topic of science

[tender kernel]

||I think funniest part about this is that this specific instance is not even in JP lol (the other two are though), localization really just went all-in with it||

[elder ice]

It’s rlly great

[coral falcon]

I'm getting that vibe too
It's exciting

[round quiver]

if I eat one of magolor's hands can he punch me from the inside

[odd tree]

They're still some of the best animated stuff in the entire history of 3d models in these games

[odd tree]

yesss, that

[tender kernel]

||hero of the stars moment||

[paper spade]

This means magalor can tickle you from a distance if he wanted

[odd tree]

Not if his hand is trapped in a fishbowl

[paper spade]

His hands float so if he just raise his hands, does it also raise the fish bowl off the ground?

[last fox]

I can confirm that it also happened in french and I was surprised

[coral falcon]

(100% spoiler) ||I'm obsessed with this letter to Kirby. Like, it's so heartfelt. I just wanna cry reading it. And the way he affectionately refers to Kirby and their memories, I just love this so much||

[pulsar nexus]

||I havent checked the english version but I wonder if they're pretty much the same dialogue, where if elfilin is missing, astronomer dee is the one explaining who starries are because he read about it on the book||

||this is the only reason why I want a file that's stuck pre-final boss for main FL story||

[round quiver]

you'd have to do this before buying the upgrade right

get to that point I mean

[elder ice]

What if air riders final boss was ||neichel||

[pulsar nexus]

||I think the cinema shows elfilin missing if you still play normally on switch 2 if you get past winter horns?||

[elder ice]

Unlikely since sakurai is prob gonna make his own original characters

[last fox]

100% ||one thing for sure though, that letter is probably doing the same thing as Star Allies' last celebration image did: this is the end for that game, they're moving on to another||

[elder ice]

Yea

At least it’s a lot less sad

[paper spade]

I mean the Lor Star Cutter being the final boss of air riders, would go kinda hard

[odd tree]

I misread that as Sakai and was wondering why the composer was making up characters for the game. Not that he can't, good for him, but that's not what you said

[last fox]

Personally I want a Lor Wheelie in Air Riders

[coral falcon]

||Defo gives that vibe, feels like an ending. We're moving beyond the new world now||

[last fox]

it would go very hard

[elder ice]

||neichel is gonna appear in the next kirby concert right||

[last fox]

||oh probably||

[paper spade]

We should absolutely get the robobots as some of the special machines to ride, that be dope

[empty osprey]

||there is actually quite a bit of Japanese Kirby merch sold globally now so idk||

[last fox]

||merch is kind of its own thing||

[dire ledge]

my friend got to 100% and i saw his reaction live to the ||fuckass bonus track Last Song (Incomplete)||

i was laughing for 10 minutes

[round quiver]

it's 2027 and you get to the final boss of the next game.
the buildup has been agonizing. and then you hear it.
|| "Neichel's finished song" ||

[last fox]

100% ||anyway I'm kinda laughing in the end about how just one song threw everyone off guard||

[sand saddle]

||Neichel's finished song but its just the entire soundtrack of RtDL||

[elder ice]

||Me playing air riders’ story mode and finally getting to the final boss and it’s
Forgotten Diva, NEICHEL||

[paper spade]

|| Ooo, if Lor = Niechel. What if Magalor is the one to finish her incomplete song? ||

[pulsar nexus]

||neichel before: the funny diva that sung welcome to the new world
Neichel now: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what the hell||

[gloomy dust]

I’m too lazy to repost so I’m forwarding it (100%?)

[last fox]

100% ||Is making both Forgotten Land and RTDL Deluxe 4D Chess||

[round quiver]

wait how is lor related to this

[elder ice]

||Neichel will return in the next game (magolor found her body in the lor)||

[round quiver]

I think I missed something

[pulsar nexus]

||we should traumatize magolor more||

[coral falcon]

||Even if the theory ends up not being true, neichelor fanart will be some of the hardest shit the fandom has ever cooked up||

[paper spade]

Someone else here can probably explain it better than me

[frank zenith]

does (100%) ||magolor know that his ship has a soul in it||?

[gloomy dust]

||the ever prophetic Neichel w a magolor ita bag 29485837 years before the events of fl||

[frank zenith]

well, ||theory-wise, does he know it's sentient||?

[dusty hedge]

||I don’t remember who mentioned it but someone here said that the lor’s beeping can be heard at the end of Neichel’s unfinished song. I just got done listening to it with headphones and it’s undeniable, that is 100% the lor||

[elder ice]

||magolor going to check his library in the lor only to find a human woman’s hand in the place of one of his books||

[last fox]

||I mean, he's the one who brought that up in the first place didn't he?||

[paper spade]

I mean he's aware it's a minimum sentient

[gloomy dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332119040465961043/1342384973914574848/image0.gif

[paper spade]

I don't remember was it Lor who crashed landed it into popstar or was the magalor?

[pulsar nexus]

||magolor knows lor is sentient as he mentions about how maybe he can hear lor's voice someday, but he doesn't know if that's actually true or not because he never heard them in game-wise story||

[last fox]

100% ||for real though the parallels between FL and RTDL, we did call on it in certain ways, but I thought it was mostly loose||

[pulsar nexus]

||both, technically||

[leaden granite]

100% ||"Legend also says that this ship has a mind of its own. I'm not so sure. But I'm hoping it will speak to me someday, if I take good care of it." -Magolor||

[last fox]

||and now it's just... made blatantly clear||

[coral falcon]

||Like that part really just makes me think they have to be related somehow, like there's no way they aren't connected. So I continue to bet on neichel is the lor (in some form) being real||

[pulsar nexus]

||but mainly lor taking magolor to popstar, and magolor's like "wait I have idea"||

[leaden granite]

(100%) ||he wanted to impress her so bad he built an amusement park (pending theory???)||

[last fox]

||Magolor is a ikasama tamago||

[paper spade]

Oh yeah, thanks makes the most sense

[pulsar nexus]

reposting this #1408842700488441949 message

[paper slate]

yukkuri73#0 - #LEAKS for Star-Crossed World (and FL Switch 2)

||Both Neichel possessing or Neichel being AI make sense which makes the whole thing funnier lol It’s gonna be an argument for next 100 years until Magolor finds out /lh Because these ships do play Neichel’s music. It could be the case where they copied and made AI based on her so the music could play forever and ever. But on other hand, it’s also possible her music plays everywhere because she possessed the ships to do so. Her unfinished song hinting about Magolor, and her mention of how something depends on the AI and the heart is mechanical. This could be aimed towards Nova, but could also aims towards how Lor was used by Magolor trying to achieve his dream. The song mentions about neighborhood town often, which this could mean Halcandra or Popstar. Extreme stretch but I wonder if the cake mentioned are referencing the cake in the opening of RTDL where Kirby running with the cake from Dedede lol They also mention sweet fruit, possibly referencing the fruit fragment? And lastly mentions about the red fruit, possibly meaning gem apples? If the order is cake > fruit > apple, this is the exact order of Magolor’s history after meeting Lor; going to Dream Land > getting sent to depth of Another Dimension > ends up in Dream Kingdom. Also to mention they say 遥かなる and 夢ランド, in single sentence, being possibly referencing Halcandra and Dream Land (Distant) + (Dream Land). I think the fact Lor was given more descriptive pause screen in RTDLDX where they’re some sort of conscious, makes me wonder if they added that on purpose for SCW. Again. Most are all just a stretch. If Mahoroba ends up actually referencing Magolor, which is like 100% likely, the words mentioned right before “fountain in the eyelids”, the 泉 could possibly referencing Fountain of Dreams. Like Star Rod/Fountain and Nova was mentioned by Magolor in RTDL about how the ancients made them. Just like Lor. The final part says about how “someone jumped out with other person while holding the red fruit pie” could possibly mean after the Dream Kingdom/gem apple, Magolor was able to achieve his dream to build theme park? Sweet memory means something nostalgic but also kind of sad, and dreamy memory could possibly meant the dream that Neichel had, and/or dream that Magolor had. Both related to a theme park. IDK!! I’m just rumbling randomly||

Quoted by yukkuri73#0 • [388838595429138442] · Aug 28, 2025, 5:23 PM

[leaden granite]

essay blast

[pulsar nexus]

this is one of the shorter one tbh lol

[last fox]

hahahaaha

[last fox]

Waddle Doo be like

OPTIC BLAST

[pulsar nexus]

self pin of something (not the essay)

[leaden granite]

(100%) ||🙄ok girl, whatever make you happy||

[last fox]

100% ||I can't believe how both games are just responding to each other like that through many ways even song names||

[dusty hedge]

||honestly I don’t care if it’s real or not, I’m gonna whole-heartedly accept neichel as the lor, at least as a headcanon. It is too amazing of a piece of world building to just pass up, especially when this civilizations technology has been confirmed to absorb minds and souls. Simply put it’s cooler for it to be there than it not. Besides, conclusions like this are part of the fun of characters with ambiguous fates.||

[last fox]

Well Kumazaki likes when fans come up with stuff

[leaden granite]

(100%) ||the theory is solid, but not 100% confirmed. i am still willing to believe it because it make that sticker REALLY funny||

[coral falcon]

100% ||Brought this up once before but Lor having the beeps after crash landing always reminded me of a heart beat, and maybe this is overthinking it like crazy, but Lor beeps at the end of a song that also implies Neichel (physically) died also makes me feel like it was meant to harken to a fading heart beat||

[pulsar nexus]

||bro I cant believe people are using the sticker again after all this LOL||

[leaden granite]

||funniest unintentional ship of the decade||

[last fox]

like let's be fair, Kumazaki is still purposefully obtuse to leave space for fans to fill the gaps lol

[pulsar nexus]

||did I unironically predicted the future????????? (I made the sticker)||

[paper spade]

|| ~~I'm not ready for the magalor x lor smut, spare me please ~~ ||

[dusty hedge]

||Plus I don’t think there’s any harm in it like with Kirby = void. It’s not changing existing lore or a misunderstanding it, we’re just thinking of possible conclusions with the pieces we’re given||

[last fox]

100% ||I hate that this sticker may be closer to reality than previously thought||

[leaden granite]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-mad-furious-angry-you-gif-17544095

[last fox]

HAL, fix Star Allies

make the localization good

[pulsar nexus]

mfw 2/4 kissing sticker is made by me

[last fox]

make a NS2 Edition

add GameShare for online play

Honestly would do the game a huge favor

and I might genuinely reconsider Star Allies seriously if so

[leaden granite]

(100% spoiler) ||star allies switch 2 edition with an additional music patch (Last Song plays whenever the lor passed through far flung map)||

[dusty hedge]

Oh for sure. The gimmick is literally multiplayer lol

[dire ledge]

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DEVIOUS THAT ||KIRBY AND ELFILIN BOP TO THE LOR BEEP RHYTHM||

[last fox]

I don't wanna pass time saying shit about it don't worry, the sum up is just that playing it single player I didn't like it

so maybe in multiplayer, if I'm actually given the opportunity, I'd love to

[round quiver]

I think I missed several understandings in this conversation about the lor

[paper spade]

They honestly need better oversight for the localizations, you can't have intricate lore but then mistranslate or just randomly make things up or omit them

[last fox]

well here's the thing

they've been doing that since FL

as in they have been providing actual lore context to localizers now

Localizers have details that we don't

[paper spade]

|| based on a song in the game which has sound effects of Lor AND is sung by Niechel, people think Niechel is Lor Star Cutter or something along those lines ||

[coral falcon]

I would say past translations was mostly passing except for the work on PR and KSA

[round quiver]

oh ok

[coral falcon]

Not great but not bad

but those two games definitely had some mess going on with them

[last fox]

KSA localization is seen as particularly worse

[pulsar nexus]

PR and KSA put me in massive pain and agony

[round quiver]

they messed up my void lore

[paper spade]

Yeah the localization team isn't terrible but there are definitely some jarring hiccups especially with Star allies

[austere wharf]

what was the ddd jamba heart thing again.

[dusty hedge]

||Not just the sound effects, but her experiences and lyrics line up with the functions of the lor as well||

[austere wharf]

the jamba heart that king dedede brought to hyness‼️ or smth

[last fox]

But for real though, as much as I am not a huge fan of SA, I still want that game to have a better chance

[round quiver]

become a splatoon fan to double the agony as you watch NOA localization butcher the worldbuilding for a funny joke

[last fox]

it's not the worst game in the series, it took a huge risk, and it paid off, it has sold very darn well

[round quiver]

or give the villain the polar opposite motivation of what they had originally

[sand saddle]

I've said this once or twice but I'm pretty sure the idea that they only started doing that in FL is a translation error in the english Ask the Developer interview

[coral falcon]

Me when I straight up just alter or don't include vital information in multiple descriptions

[empty osprey]

Honestly it is my most wanted s2 edition

[austere wharf]

thank you.
i needed to save this image again ❤️

[round quiver]

experiences?

[empty osprey]

Gameshare and 60FPS would fix the game

[last fox]

to be honest RTDL Deluxe can just be a free update

[pulsar nexus]

loool I have similar situation with having like 100 of same image because I keep losing track of where it went LOL

[last fox]

if there's a NS2 Edition of SA I will definitely go back to that game regardless

[sand saddle]

In the Japanese interview they never say that it was the first time they did this and like honestly I really doubt it took them until 2022 to stop rawdogging translations without communication, that's stuff that's probably gone by the 2000s

[dusty hedge]

||As in what she’s singing about in the song||

[last fox]

if there's online GameShare then I need to figure out who to play this with

[empty osprey]

Yeah i just replayed it only things it would need like game share and that’s it

[round quiver]

ah

[austere wharf]

me with this one fnaf sb image of the IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN note

[crude copper]

I mean you say that and then there's all these egregious mistakes in PR and SA lol

[leaden granite]

i am watching the ||no damage uczex run, dedede's gordo can do that now???||

[last fox]

well better resolution wouldn't be so bad for RTDL Deluxe

[crude copper]

It WOULD make sense but also i wouldn't be surprised if internally the localisation of Kirby wasn't taken seriously until FL or something

[pulsar nexus]

Wait which one, I wanna know LOL

[empty osprey]

That’s just a given

[paper spade]

||Like how she describes what she's feeling kinda sounds like Lor Star Cutter ||

[empty osprey]

Ignore clubhouse games

Please

[dire ledge]

isnt it fucked up that theres a non-zero chance that ||NEICHEL|| becomes the Kirby series version of ||Dess Holiday||

[crude copper]

||the girls that can sing and haunt the narrative...||

[sand saddle]

Well we also do have leaked proof that they were communicating
#leaks-and-rumors message

[paper slate]

luigiblood#0 - #leaks-and-rumors

Dear NOE Dutch team,
Dear NHL and iQue translation teams,

Please find below an explanation of the reasoning behind the 犬たまご像 text in Document/NoOutput/AilityMoves.mstxt having been translated as "Dream Hatcher Statue".

As you probably know, the "Dog egg" is our company logo. The original direct translation was "Golden Egg" but starting from "Kirby: Planet Robobot" we had it changed to a more meaningful translation which takes under consideration the following keywords.

Quoted by pikminispeakmin#0 • [90489652095496192] · Dec 25, 2024, 1:46 PM

[round quiver]

it's always about "haunting the narrative" when is someone going to exorcise the narrative huh

[crude copper]

Interesting

[pulsar nexus]

||we thought neichel would be something like pauline, but instead we got whole different something||

[dusty hedge]

||Yeah. Also worth noting that the reason we don’t think she’s simply riding a star cutter and IS the star cutter is because she refers to an artificial heart, wish gone wrong, white wings, and allusions to magolor, despite never seeing her with magolor.||

[austere wharf]

you'll never guess what i had to do
download it Again

[crude copper]

I guess maybe they were communicating but not as in depth
Otherwise uh. How could translation of MKR dialogue even happen.

[round quiver]

people still think that light matter is a thing

[leaden granite]

||taranza had a girlfriend
magolor has a girlfriend

SUSIE IT IS TIME YOU GET A CANON GIRLFRIEND||
(100% spoiler)

[paper spade]

I mean even if they communicated, doesn't mean the localization listened, did it proper, etc

[sand saddle]

MKR is definitely an intentional change its not like a translator just really really misunderstood the text

[crude copper]

Like this is not even just a poorly done translation. This is straight up an unawarranted rewrite. I am genuinely so confused how it happened

Because there was nothing in the original script that was so egregious it couldn't be simply translated

[sand saddle]

Like that's the kind of thing communication can't prevent, unlike mistakes

[pulsar nexus]

||I still believe in magolor and kirby dating||

[dusty hedge]

Wait what was poorly written?

[sand saddle]

It doesn't matter how well NOA understands the story if they just decide 'but actually what if I shove in my own fanfiction instead'

[crude copper]

The whole script at the climax of Meta Knightmare Returns in English is made up

[pulsar nexus]

I should join and do that

[dusty hedge]

I’m stilly trying to catch up on everything that’s been translated wrong 😭

[crude copper]

It's completely different from Japanese

[pulsar nexus]

"magolor and kirby on a date"

[dusty hedge]

Oh wow 😭

[dire ledge]

what was the original JP plot again

[leaden granite]

(arena spoiler) ||uczex phantom dedede is actually psychotic with the pillar. he just keep smashing kirby like 10 times before it break 😭 ||

[dire ledge]

why was star dream doing whatever it was doing

oh

Ultra

[crude copper]

Star Dream had the Galactic Nova-style speak, MK wasn't fighting enenies to prove himself as an "admin" but Star Dream was granting his wish to fight strong swordsmen

[empty osprey]

That is so much better

[dire ledge]

oh

[crude copper]

Obviously

[dire ledge]

I see

[crude copper]

English script is stupid as hell

[dire ledge]

well Star Dream's kind of stupid

[paper spade]

This means if I sneak into the localization team, I can sneakily make all my headcanons reality

[sand saddle]

In JP Star Dream is summoning the bosses in an attempt to grant what it assumes would be Meta Knight's wish, being to fight the strongest warriors in the galaxy
In English he does it b/c he needs proof that Meta Knight is strong enough to be its admin

[empty osprey]

The admin shit doesn’t make sense for both characters

[crude copper]

It implies thet Haltmann can body Galacta Knight

Which I severely doubt

[coral falcon]

Yeah it makes little sense

[dire ledge]

no star dream talks after haltmann i think

[pulsar nexus]

magolor never got his haircut </3

[crude copper]

I know

That's the point tho, Haltmann was the previous "admin"

[dire ledge]

Ohhhh

[crude copper]

This is why this rewrite is nonsensical

[austere wharf]

man I never realized how stupid the implications are lol

[sand saddle]

The takeaway from a lot of people during the early days of PR was that Haltmann was canonically stronger than Dark Matter and Sectonia b/c he had to have beat them for Star Dream to accept him as the previous admin
Luckily that died down as people realized that's fucking cringe and stupid even without having to be told it was localization bullshit

[dire ledge]

honestly i never assocaited the admin thing with Haltmann

[crude copper]

I do wonder now tho if this communication might be the reason for ||Kirby of the stars monicker becoming canon in English lol||

[dire ledge]

i just assumed it was like "oh haltmann is dead"

[coral falcon]

Yeah there's no misunderstanding that unless it was someone who'd never played Kirby before and felt they needed to come up with some justification for MK wanting to fight strong people but even then that just seems stupid

[dire ledge]

"oh well. time for a new boss"

[crude copper]

Shame it took them this long

Because literally so much dialogue lost weight because it wasn't present before

Robobot Susie be like. Pinky... Please

Like shut up lmao

[coral falcon]

KSA I'm actually more curious because there's at least 1 instance of them completely removing information

[sand saddle]

They also did that in PR
The last line of GK's description is gone

[paper spade]

Galacta Knight laying down defeated: "Was that Haltmann...?"
Elfilis dying: "No, that was Dale"

[gloomy dust]

BRING OUT THE MASTER CROWN THIS IS BASE HALTMANN WERE UP AGAINST

[leaden granite]

(arena spoiler) ||uczex sillydillo throw his wives out so fast wth||

[sand saddle]

moment

[coral falcon]

We could have had "Fly! Kirby of the Stars" 🥀

[paper spade]

Haltmann is the Kirby universe of dragon balls Hercule, literally the strongest being ever

[coral falcon]

OH YEAH I forgot about this

[empty osprey]

Can we get robobot remastered be real but also relocalized

[sand saddle]

[coral falcon]

I guess you could somewhat surmise this at least from previous encounters but it's still strange they left it out

like was it character space or just because

[dire ledge]

im sorry the matter of his termination???????????

[empty osprey]

Ngl I prefer it without the last line

[coral falcon]

We lost the narrative foil to Kirby...

I forgot about this too

[gloomy dust]

The GREATEST FRAUD IN THE GALAXY EVERYONE

[pulsar nexus]

they KILLED the milky way wishes references

[empty osprey]

Galactic fraud

[sand saddle]

This is the term they use

[coral falcon]

As in he just hasn't been killed (at this time), which yeah

[leaden granite]

(arena spoiler) ||holy shit||

[coral falcon]

I don't think it implies anything it's just more strongest glaze

[sand saddle]

||"This is the power of Switch 2" ass attack||

[coral falcon]

although I guess you could argue it means people have been trying to kill him

[leaden granite]

||this coulda been galacta knight||

[gloomy dust]

My fav horrid translation is shadow dedede pause lol

[austere wharf]

localization staff when they see kirby of the stars. Until now ig

[paper spade]

I think it means not Galacta being terminated but the means of which he terminates things like planet destroying

[dire ledge]

idk how to tell you but that makes no sense

[pulsar nexus]

sigh... time to crop or find specific stuff from this stream

(this is only first half of the stream)

[paper spade]

I may have misread it, it's probably instead saying the method of which they tried to seal / stop / defeat him I guess

[dire ledge]

idk how you guys are reading "Records from various eras remain of him having been sealed away, but the matter of his termination has not been achieved" as "he's doing the exterminating"

[coral falcon]

No, I mean he hasn't been killed by anyone

and therefore he must be really strong

[dire ledge]

Ok but like

the fact that he's on death penatly?

like hello?

[sand saddle]

Clay you replied to the wrong person the second time

[coral falcon]

I did say this

[paper spade]

I mean I clarified my misreading

[odd tree]

Oh geeze and I thought my five hours in one sitting was concerning

[gloomy dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sparkle-on-its-wednesday-dont-forget-to-be-yourself-jerma-slay-gif-26287606

^ gala after killing all 3957 people who tried to execute him

[dire ledge]

Like him being unkillable can be said in so many ways but like "the matter of his termination" is so .

people want him dead

???

[sand saddle]

Have you really gamed until you've beaten a Kirby game 100% in one sitting and then became a soul boss yourself

[paper spade]

I mean like he's a guy with immense world busting powers? Like of course people fear him

[odd tree]

My body skips the soul boss phase and just goes straight to the part where they disappear in a beam of light

[dire ledge]

fear and having a goal to terminate him is not really one and the same

[empty osprey]

Oh that was me yesterday 100%ing it before it comes out

[dire ledge]

how am i the only one like mindblown by this

[pulsar nexus]

||I was replaying ZEX like 20 times, but I chaos elfilis phase 2 is def easier than phase 1. also the last 3 battle is much easier than some of these phantom bosses like wild dedede. phantom mk isnt super bad, but galactal, is some of the worst character to fight||

[coral falcon]

I'm open to the possibility of it just be the wording of the translation especially because Japanese can sometimes be roundabout like that, but yeah when you put it like that it seems more that way 👁️

[paper spade]

I mean you can argue that I guess but even in real life, there have been cults that "fear of X" and seek to eliminate it from the world

[dire ledge]

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LOCALIZED ENGLISH

IM TALKING ABOUT THE FAYE TRANSLATION ! !!

[coral falcon]

I'm aware, that's literally what I'm saying

[dire ledge]

i feel like you guys are bad-faithing too much

[paper spade]

I mean termination is just literally a fancy way of saying to end / defeat him?

[dire ledge]

whatever im saying is Missing you guys i think

[sand saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/891068104367566888/1405458401915441222/diesoflightbulb.gif

[coral falcon]

I'm sorry, I don't mean to come off that way, it just didn't jump out to me initially

[leaden granite]

arena spoiler ||this thing is crazy||

[paper spade]

Like the matter of his termination has not been achieved... They have yet to actually find a way to stop and defeat this Galactic menace, so I'm guessing that's why he is sealed and not killed. (They can't kill him)

[dire ledge]

yeah but the fact that they want him dead is like. news to me hello

[dire ledge]

agree

[leaden granite]

||the magologue theme blasting in the background really add to the experience||

[sand saddle]

This is how kai-alone translated it for reference

[paper spade]

I see what you're saying

[coral falcon]

I had seen the translation a couple years ago (and then forgotten about it) so that might be part of why I'm quite nonchalant about it

[dire ledge]

GK has a boutny on their head whether or not those people are still alive to pay

kind of insane

[gloomy dust]

I think the wording of terminate was to match the emotionless machine like ness Yknow

[dire ledge]

missing the point again

[gloomy dust]

No im just saying i like the word terminate over destroy

[paper spade]

They're saying the fact they want GK dead, gone and sent to hell is surprising to them

[dire ledge]

the idea is the same, and the idea is what mindblows me

[leaden granite]

arena spoiler ||is this new? "forgo soul" stopping and doing morpho's bug buzz attack||

[stoic radish]

Hell yeah that's hilarious

[leaden granite]

(arena spoiler, continuation)

[gloomy dust]

What did bro do to get multigenerational death penalty 😭

[sand saddle]

yea

[leaden granite]

(oops)

[paper spade]

Galacta did more than piss on the moon, that's for sure

[lusty kite]

Where is this from?

[sand saddle]

https://www.tumblr.com/kaialone/654538820264607744/kirby-planet-robobot-translation-comparisons

To My Sister

Kirby Planet Robobot Translation Comparisons: Masterpost

This is a masterpost, listing all of my translation comparisons of Kirby: Planet Robobot.

Specifically, these are comparisons of the original Japanese version of the game to the localized US English version.

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If you wish to read them, I would recommend going through them in order:

• **Part 1: **Meeting Susie
• Part 2: Facing Mecha Knight
• Part 3: Facing the Dedede Clone
• Part 4: Facing Mecha Knight+
• Part 5: Meeting President Haltmann
• Part 6: After Battling President Haltmann
• Part 7: Before the Final Battle
• Part 8: Meta Knightmare Returns
• Part 9: Pause Screens 1
• **Part 10: **Pause Screens 2

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Feel free to message me if you have any questions, thoughts, or corrections to offer.

You can also message me if there are any portions of text that you would like to see me cover and aren’t featured here, yet.

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-# #kirby #kirby planet robobot #planet robobot #my translations #kirby translations #planet robobot translation comparisons

Tumblr · Jun 20, 2021, 7:21 PM

[stoic radish]

Post true last boss
IT FINALLY HAPPENED
WE DID IT BOYS
The translation really did randomly decided to be more accurate to jp

[sand saddle]

As for my PR translations they're here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e-8vGsP-P5W91ko9baiG8oFF5rSBrCY0jfytlQyHEPI/edit?usp=sharing

[paper spade]

Yeah, I guess the implication here is GK is like... Immortal IMMORTAL, which is interesting

[pulsar nexus]

ZEX: ||Istg this is still some of the coolest attack in the whole game lol||

[leaden granite]

(arena spoiler) ||no ability uczex is actually hell wdym i have to dodge 5 tornadoes and 6 forgo souls ||

[pulsar nexus]

||ngl, that one is one of the easier part||

[leaden granite]

IT IS

[pulsar nexus]

||because there's so many of them, its easier to dodge them||

||also did single run of no ability and it was absolute hell||

[leaden granite]

arena spoiler ||the constant blocking on both of the knights make the fights so fun||

[scenic needle]

||discounting remakes, 2019||

[scenic needle]

tf is this

[sand saddle]

||Mfs really said 'we realized this attack is so easy we could spawn 6 of it and have morpho do another attack at the same time'||

[coral falcon]

Kirby is very slowly trying to turn into danmaku

but it's not there yet

It's building...

[sand saddle]

Me staring at Void Pleasant Dream

[coral falcon]

Oh so true LMAO

[pulsar nexus]

||which made Morpho easier||

||unless you’re doing… no dodge run||

[sand saddle]

||When more attacks = more dodge bait in FL||

||Understanding that was why I made my mod Pandemonic Elfilis 1 basically require dodge speed at all times to avoid anything and then made it so nothing in Phase 2 activated dodge ||

[pulsar nexus]

||I was able to no damage with dodge most bosses because, it’s just, yeah||

[leaden granite]

huh this is interesting

arena spoiler ||it still says "the ultimate lifeform" in the japanese version of the game???||

[paper spade]

Dodge probably should have a stamina meter tbh imo

[leaden granite]

like, ||full english||

[dire ledge]

i think dodge slowdown should just happen once but you can still invince

like dodge success once and then it goes on cooldown for a bit

[dim venture]

This is a...

very interesting title

[dire ledge]

you can still hop around but now you actually have to time them again this time

[pulsar nexus]

||Honestly some of these attacks are dodge “required” so it’s fair. While you don’t NEED to use it, it’s like highly recommended to use dodge. It’s funny. I love slomo in these cool attack animation ||

[dusty hedge]

||Z EX elfilis might just be my new favorite fight in the whole series. The sheer variety in attack patterns and how they scale in difficulty as the fight goes on is incredibly engaging||

[paper spade]

yeah that too, Dodge cheesing is like crazy in this game lol. People Dodge Dodge Dodge instead of learning all the nifty fun attack patterns

[leaden granite]

arena boss spoiler ||two planets approach the roche limit... elfilis now has their brother's power... hmmm||

||probably nothing.||

[empty osprey]

||i wonder if elfilis will be the new dark matter ||

[tired lark]

||i think the void core is the new dark matter now since it keeps popping up||

[empty osprey]

||we already know it’s a species who says there can’t be another another one||

[paper spade]

|| yeah the whole Melfilis dark matter eye thing is still kinda lost on me ||

[leaden granite]

arena boss spoiler ||rotating cross of beams, welcome back haltmann /j||

[empty osprey]

||Ngl I find the void ball connection kinda weak ||

[empty osprey]

This attack is freaking nuts

[paper spade]

|| tbh it dies like how zero did in DL3 so id argue more dark matter coded because it's a pretty obvious reference ||

[pulsar nexus]

||as much as phase 1 is cool, I hate dodging them. While doing no damage run, I got hit like 3 times during phase 1 and 0 hit during phase 2, because phase 2 was easier to dodge 😭 ||

[sand saddle]

Oh I'd forgotten about this but GK has just directly been called saikyou no teki
||This is what the JP figure in SCW said the starries sealed right, saikyou no teki||

[crude copper]

to be fair. faye's translations are more direct and if this was done as more proper localization there is a way to make it work

[leaden granite]

(arena boss spoiler) ||this one is so vile because getting hit crystalised you||

[crude copper]

i am going insane

[paper spade]

That's a good find

[dire ledge]

Sweet

[coral falcon]

GK erasure is so sad

[muted nymph]

Oh nice we got confirmation

[leaden granite]

ok man whatever (arena boss spoiler)

[sand saddle]

||Cool ass attack that's lowkey really easy||

||I could see this attack being super annoying when you're trying to greed the fight though||

[tired lark]

||it just takes too long to actually hit you compared to the regular double star laser||

[leaden granite]

||i love how much the "haha soul cutters" attack have evolved cuz elfilis just spamming that shit now 😭 || arena boss spoiler

[crude copper]

ancients are working in nintendo treehouse and have had it up to here with galacta knight

evidently

[pulsar nexus]

||okay but the blackhole and deadly (literally) sun is SO cool. Like bro became sun god. Wow. Bruh||

[muted nymph]

||Honestly a lot of the attacks aren't super difficult to dodge and then there's the Drawica orb's and Impact Pound||

[dire ledge]

Btw i think the ufo text where it says its in the testing area looks like its missing your translation or?

[paper spade]

|| the sun attack is one of the coolest tbh ||

[tired lark]

||the sun's cool but the more clips I look at it, the less threatening it really is||

[leaden granite]

oh is it just me or (arena boss spoiler) ||this phase two of roche limit is a lot more distorted???||

[coral falcon]

They can't keep getting away with this

Invading the chain of command

[muted nymph]

||There's masculine singing||

[pulsar nexus]

||earlier I went to get burnt on purpose but I was laughing too hard. It’s SO cool. Idk how I dodged a lot of these attacks on blind||

[stoic radish]

Niechel theory
||couldn't her referencing the lor just be because...the new worlders are the ancients and they made the starcutters, and niechel wrote a song giving them encouragement as they left. So...||

[tired lark]

||you dont take damage as soon as that heat hits you & its a gradual wave of damage that doesnt really chip that much as long as you go in the shade pretty quick||

[crude copper]

this attack is so raw

[pulsar nexus]

||me trying to touch grass (the sun burns)||

[coral falcon]

Gotta tag this

[paper spade]

Redditor and Discord users when they go outside:

[leaden granite]

i think i am going crazy ||some part of this song sounds different too||

[pulsar nexus]

||its starry ver||

[tired lark]

||it's more of a hype moment attack compared to deadly sun, but I guess its fine ||

[pulsar nexus]

||it sounds similar to supreme ruler’s coronation||

[coral falcon]

||but uh yeah that's possible, but tbh Welcome to the New World fulfulls that role better than Last Song||

[leaden granite]

there's a ||different version???||

[sand saddle]

Oh yea at one point I added a bunch of lines I didn't really think were worth translating into the doc b/c I wanted to do a PR translation mod
I ended up abandoning the project and worked on my Star Allies translation mod instead
I guess I could take a look at it

[pulsar nexus]

This

And this

[austere wharf]

waow

[leaden granite]

arena boss spoiler || 😭 they just inventing new way to do this attack now ||

[tired lark]

||buzz saw cutter if it was evil||

[dire ledge]

Cant wait to see it in 2d

[paper spade]

Will we ever get an explanation on why these bosses across the series share the exact same moves?

[dire ledge]

theyre all souls

Thats all youre gonna get

[paper spade]

but what did SOUL even meannn

[dire ledge]

Sheug

We know its a type of matter i guess

[tired lark]

the secret 4th element

the most important element

[dire ledge]

Dark Heart Soul and i forgot

Dream

[pulsar nexus]

I am Magolor Soul

(I am in your walls)

[stoic radish]

My working interpretation is that theyall just kinda represent what happens when an organism breaks down into chaos on a fundamental level

[paper spade]

Cant wait to get more context for the 4 matters in like 2041

[dire ledge]

Thank u for faye 4 the on the spot translation of text that doesn’t technically matter sksksjsksk

[stoic radish]

They all attack the same because that's just what it looks like when it happens

[pulsar nexus]

I read that as technical matter, and went “is that a new character”

😭

[coral falcon]

Tech matter

[pulsar nexus]

Tech matter sounds like air riders guy-

[leaden granite]

new classification that star dream falls under /j

[coral falcon]

Spoilers???/!!!

[pulsar nexus]

I’ve gotten like 4 hours of sleep since SCW released I think I should sleep

[coral falcon]

Are you in touch with sakurai omh

[stoic radish]

A little dark matter with goggles and a wrench

Who do you think built that fuckass pyramid

[pulsar nexus]

Bro can be friends with weapons dee

[dusty hedge]

Sadly same here 💔

[stoic radish]

This is why Kirby needs to figure out how to befriend more darkness creatures stat

[paper spade]

I don't remember is Dark Matter (one of the 4 matters) spelt the same way in Japanese as Dark Matter (Character/species)?

[dire ledge]

Because its the same exact word

[dusty hedge]

Crazy how this game has had one of the biggest lore drops in a hot minute but there’s still countless questions 💔. Kumazaki’s going to keep us going forever

That next main game better be out by 2027

[coral falcon]

No

[paper spade]

It's the same words in English but I'm asking is the kanji charactera (or katakana) or whatever differentiated in the Japanese text? Like if a distinction is made

[stoic radish]

PLEASE Correct me if im wrong but dark matter was only started to be referred to outside of the guy with SA iirc?
Since dark matter is pretty much just a dude outside of tiny ones 0 spawns. Gooey is just referred to as being made of the same stuff as Dark Matter

[coral falcon]

Yes there is a distinction made, although I think there is one other instance where the furigana used to describe the kanji is the katakana used for dark matter (the character/species)

Correct me if I'm wrong-

I swear I think it was Astral Birth's description I think

[sand saddle]

In the JP language the actual concept of dark matter is interchangeably referred to as ダークマター daaku mataa or 暗黒物質 ankoku busshitsu
Hyness's rant uses 闇の物質 yami no busshitsu instead and void's pause description also lists the four matters with 闇 but claims that it is pronounced ダーク daaku
The character from Dream Land 3 uses ダークマター daaku mataa

[paper spade]

I just wanna clarify does Hyness speak about the Substance or the species

[crude copper]

so i guess among four matters dark matter is legit

while hyness is like

what are u talking about mate

[paper spade]

I mean it does contextualize Hyness depending on which dark matter he is speaking about specifically

[paper spade]

So Hyness is like speaking about a "substance of darkness" but it's not using the exact same wording in voids description? Does void description use 暗黒物質 instead of 闇の物質 is what you're saying?

[hazy bear]

(final boss/figurine) ||I'm really left wondering why the invasive species has so many similarities to Void. Dunno how to wrap my head around it rn.
They're sealed in a heart-thing, drifting about, containing some big pent-up evil, are orb blob things that change form depending on what they take in, have some eyeball stuff goin on...
but Elfilis' species also came from a distant planet, which I don't think really matches Void? Void can also take influence without necessarily absorbing, but even just by seeing. Void also has an actual face on the orb.||

[crude copper]

||to be fair void having an actual face is an influence by kirby. i think this void-like orb having an eye is influenced by starries and galactals being absorbed||

[paper spade]

|| Tbh I think Void without being influenced by Kirby or dark matter is just a blank colorful sphere like the ones we see in mags fight in the background ||

[crude copper]

||as for why elfilis clan has connection to void. who even knows at this point. i feel like this should mean something but my brain breaks apart a little trying to rationalize it||

[hazy bear]

||yea, that's true. There's definitely the starries influence here. But Void's face also seems to morph around and shift, even to Dark Matter faces. Before it settles on Kirby it also just kinda spins around like it's loading||

||gives me the impression it was always there, just reshapes to Kirby's face||

[crude copper]

||maybe its because it was just born?||

[hazy bear]

||maybe, that's possible||

||in faye's translation for the true first core (with the 4 matters) at the start it says "There were as many “Nil” flying about freely as there were other skies." (異空の数だけ、自由に飛ぶ「ニル」が いた。)
I wonder if this means that Voids are plentiful? Or that one exists per parallel?||

[sand saddle]

the heart description calls void 闇のエネルギーで 作られた 物質のような そんざい 'a being that's like matter made with dark energy' using 闇
Then the SM heart description says ハイネスが 集めた闇は、ニルの中で 暗黒の力へと 変かんされ続けていた！The darkness Hyness gathered kept transforming into dark power within Nil! where 集めた闇 (the collected 闇) was being transformed into 暗黒の力 (power of 暗黒)
Then the void soul description says 闇の物質に 生まれた彼 He who was born from dark matter using 闇の物質
And finally the SMEX heart description says
夢が、闇が、魂が、心が…
その物質に 混沌と可能性が全て集い
Dream, Dark, Soul, Heart...
Chaos and Possibility are fully gathered in these matter
using 闇 but with the ダーク rubi instead of やみ, and 物質 for matter as usual

[coral falcon]

||It's so funny that neichel got more elaboration than this did||

||like you'd think they'd treat the imagery as at least the secondary point of interest after elfilis brother reveal||

[crude copper]

||its ambigious if the new world is trully a parallel or just another planet that is far away from popstar. i suppose it doesn't matter as much because thanks to lor starcutter and warp technology the inhabitants of this planet managed to spread the influence across the board regardless. if we go with theory that this is a parallel, then void of this dimension simply spawned whole planet of elfilises at some point long time ago||

[hazy bear]

||that's interesting, i never really thought about the possibility that the FL might not even be a parallel. Could very well have just used Another Dimension to bend time or something idk.||

[crude copper]

||its implied that time dialation was due to forgo's imperfect portals. since ones made by elfilin dont have that problem seemingly||

[sand saddle]

I remember the funny crash outs I had over whether Halcandra was actually in a different dimension, in another dimension, or just really fucking far away in the same dimension that it was easier to go through AD to get to it

[paper spade]

||Hmmm... The distinction I try to raise between Melfilis Eye Core and Elfilis Chaos Orb is like... The control of them. With Elfilis, we see that the orb (likely all that yummy chaos) is separated by Kirby and, it then dorcefully assimilates Elfilis into itself. To me, that cutscene doesn't seem like Elfilis suddenly decided to go core mode but more or less happened against his will

With Melfilis, the core is sitting prominently crowned on his head. Once enough damage is taken, its body (which seems to actually be some sort of energy projection, just like void has) dissipates... But the way the cutscene shows is that it isn't like the Eye Orb assimilated Melfilis but it's very clearly saying Melfilis is 100% the eye orb of at least in full control (and it's main body may or may not even be "real". Like Eye orb really tries to protect itself but it does seem like Melfilis is in full control here...

So maybe like ... What if Elfilis battle is showing us what happens when chaos is gathered... A void like orb appears? And unlike his brother Melfilis, Elfilis did not have full control over it? ||

[coral falcon]

They really didn't explain that well 😭

[crude copper]

yeah i still dont entirely get that tbh 😭

i guess the way "space" in kirby works it doesnt really matter

you can use lor and jump around different dimensions like its crossing the road

[coral falcon]

I'm pretty sure it's that Halcandra is in a different dimension and AD conencts it and Popstar together

but Halcandra is not inside of AD

[crude copper]

i got THAT

but i didnt understand if halcandra is in another dimension from popstar

or they are just far away

from each other

[sand saddle]

Yea the problem of halcandra being in AD is specifically the Halcandra: A New Enemycutscene

Where its clearly floating in the middle of AD and not just regular space for some reason

[crude copper]

yeaaah that was strange

but then map screen doesnt show it like this

[coral falcon]

Yeah I don't know what that's about, they for real just straight up lying there

[hazy bear]

magolor does say that it exists in another dimension, doesn't he?

[sand saddle]

he said that in Dream Collection iirc

[hazy bear]

i thought he said that in rtdl as well

[sand saddle]

But thats localization thing b/c the term he used in JP was isekai and not ikuukan

[hazy bear]

after beating grand doomer

[sand saddle]

In fact the JP name of Halcandra: A New Enemy also calls it Isekai Halcandra

Oh he does say it in RtDL too
Moment

[coral falcon]

I do feel like it makes sense if Halcandra is in different dimension from Popstar entirely because of the way it's depicted at the edge of AD, and we've seen AD actually lead to other parallels (if Magolor Epilogue is any indiciation)

[hazy bear]

a different world that's not this world...
tongue twister

[sand saddle]

me when harukandora wa kono sekai toha chigau betsu no sekai ni arunda

[crude copper]

maybe this is why ancients really fwed this place. it was easy to travel from there to anywhere they wanted

[pulsar nexus]

Hi I heard Magolor

[crude copper]

of course you did

[crude copper]

rtdl is such a funny game because in a vacuum it has fairly straightforward story

but it legit has the same impact as dbz's raditz arrival lol

[coral falcon]

Oh true, Halcandra would be a great reference point

[crude copper]

huge fucking ripples across the board ever since that happened

[sand saddle]

Lowkey this shit is like
Void lore but for something not as incredibly important

[coral falcon]

LOL

[crude copper]

oh yeah definitely another dimension stuff was NEVER explained very well

[sand saddle]

English RtDL fans trying to figure out where the fuck Halcandra is

[crude copper]

i feel like this is the reason why kuma drew up that diagram lol

[coral falcon]

^^

[sand saddle]

(Halcandra is inside Kirby's stomach)

[crude copper]

truth nuke

[pulsar nexus]

This is the way

[hazy bear]

actually yea why does this always happen 😭

[crude copper]

tbh with both void and another dimension i cant entirely blame localizers because im like. a fan. huge into kirby lore

and this shit still wrecks my brain a little bit

imagine not being as inherently engaged and having to do it for a living

kumazaki using simple to understand sentences challenge:

[coral falcon]

"oh yeah did you know there's an interdimensional high way"
"oh yeah there's an ancient race of people that build the star rod, fountain of dreams, and nova, and also this ship"
"oh yeah this thing here is called a master crown, it's got darkness inside it"

[crude copper]

AND ALL OF THIS STUFF IS STILL RELEVANT 14 years later...

[sand saddle]

The dire consequences of naming a dimension Another Dimension and having its purpose be the dimension with the road that leads to other dimensions (Localizers explode)

[crude copper]

...wow rtdl is gonna be 15 years old soon

this is

[hazy bear]

btw do we know if the star rod / fountain were made by ancients?
I thought an old manual said they were formed from a fallen star or something to that like

[coral falcon]

This would all be solved if they would be more consistent in calling it Another Dimension Road, and maybe avoiding the word "another" but welp

[crude copper]

he never namedropped star rod but he described a device which is pretty much fountain of dreams so

mysterious items that can bring dreams to life

[sand saddle]

The manual for the game said it was made from fragments of a star in the EN and stardust in the JP I think?
And Magolor says in RtDL that the power the ancients used to make the Lor is the same power that made an item that creates dreams

[crude copper]

besides its like

[coral falcon]

Plus both those backstories can coexist easily

[crude copper]

sakurai himself dug that hole because then super star introduced this stuff that every planet in kirby's galaxy has a fountain of dreams

[sand saddle]

Funny line

[crude copper]

i wouldnt be surprised if all ancients business started as kumazaki making up a headcanon for why so many of them exist

[sand saddle]

Oh and iirc the manual specifically said the star rod was made on popstar? I think???
I feel like I translated it before but idr

[coral falcon]

I've always thought Magolor meant the Energy Spheres when he was talking about the power involved with the Lor, but your translation makes me think he's being more vague than that

[hazy bear]

i see

[coral falcon]

Honestly Kuma being a Kirby super fan makes me think that half his lore is just his fanfiction made official lol

[crude copper]

items that birth dreams def fits more with fountain of dreams function than "bringing them to life"

but that might be semantics

[crude copper]

oh definitely. and thats why its awesome lol

[sand saddle]

Yea before I translated the line I always thought the line was like
Referring to something that makes dreams come true like the Dimension Mirror or some shit

[pulsar nexus]

Random input but ||I noticed how Kirby getting the coin perfectly in sync with the music||

Bro…

Why’s it NOT SPOILER TAGGED WTH DISCORD

[coral falcon]

Heh heh that was really satisfying

Okay now I sound insane

[pulsar nexus]

DISCOED

[coral falcon]

It's spoiler tagged

[crude copper]

yukkuri

if you are sending from mobile

it was spoiler tagged

[coral falcon]

for some reason it just doesn't show up on your end

[crude copper]

mobile discord just has a glitch

its also spoiler tagged now

[coral falcon]

^

[crude copper]

so dw

[coral falcon]

Yep

[crude copper]

kirby rhythm game when

[pulsar nexus]

Okay good (this is how I found out about spoiler)

[sand saddle]

ロッドの先にあるキラキラ輝く星は、遠い昔にプププランドに流れ落ちた星くずのかけらだと言われています。
They say the twinkling, shining star sat at the tip of the Rod is a fragment of stardust that fell to Pupupuland in the far past.

[pulsar nexus]

No joke I found out about boss beyond the final boss because of the spoiler tag not working

Thanks to mobile glitch

[crude copper]

man presentation in japanese manual was so charming with watercolor illustrations

but also this is like the only time series acknowledged people that lived on popstar long ago and i find it kinda funny. when is time travel kirby game when we see how things were in the past

[sand saddle]

localizers put in more effort in those days
...to remove sauce

[pulsar nexus]

FL all over again (me when I found out about chaos Elfilis being final boss in FL because someone decided it was good idea to set it as their icon back in 2022)

[crude copper]

lmao

[crude copper]

bro 😭

im sorry

[coral falcon]

That's genuinely so ass 😭

[pulsar nexus]

Someone had similar thing happened

It was Morpho in FL

Meeper or Zlaker or someone

[sand saddle]

Me setting my icon as pandemonic elfilis to spoil someone who's never seen my mod (They are very confused when its not pandemonic elfilis)

[pulsar nexus]

I also know someone got spoilered because of the mobile glitch

[coral falcon]

Foreshadowing 100

[pulsar nexus]

Anyone wanna go back like 4 months ago before the direct and say beast virus dlc is coming

[coral falcon]

I can't imagine doing everything else right and then something like this out of your control spoils you

STOP not beast virus lmaoo

[pulsar nexus]

Yeah, they were spoilered ||Chaos Elfilis in ZEX||

[coral falcon]

I remember I was so convinced of that lol lol

[leaden granite]

(100% spoiler) ||heartwarming: susie helps lor translate her favorite song into other language <3||

||(they sing welcome to the new world in japanese at this part)||

[pulsar nexus]

Beast virus is so funny lol I wish it arrived to Japanese community

[sand saddle]

||This is why FL is the one modern game without any magolor
Magolor was like 'I wanna follow kirby to his new adventure again!' and Lor was like "I will fucking kill you we are NOT going there"||

[coral falcon]

Awoofies are infected waddle dees

I think JP community would've made beast virus into a light horror 😭

[leaden granite]

||https://fxtwitter.com/KirbyCheatFurby/status/1961326015612858618|| (arena boss spoiler)

Anthony (@KirbyCheatFurby)

fuck you *throws three leongars at you*

**👁️ 10 **

FxTwitter · Aug 29, 2025, 7:12 AM

[pulsar nexus]

||I feel like Magolor would’ve been there but Lor just says “I don’t want you to find out or simp for us more”||

[crude copper]

magolor's absence is so funny now in lieu of new reveals.

[pulsar nexus]

||genuinely, Magolor knows about dimensional rift and such more than anyone from what we know. He could’ve come help his pink puffball boyfriend||

[crude copper]

i hope kirby and co just tell him where they were and magolor is like. why tf wasnt i THERE 😭

[coral falcon]

Literally the one game he would've gone rabid over being in the setting lol

[leaden granite]

||he has a business to run his ass is not helping ‼️ ||

[pulsar nexus]

||Like I can see why they purposely didn’t put Magolor now, it was all setup||

[leaden granite]

||magolor being in this game and lor is suspiciously missing:||

[pulsar nexus]

||cause if he was in the game, he’d just steal every character’s position. From getting possibly possessed, to stealing job of wise dee, or even weapons dee, hell, he could even be following you instead of Elfilin||

[sand saddle]

||Magolor: hey Kirby where've you been
Kirby: Ekhgnwsikhgrpnrihne
Magolor: what the hell is that horrid noise
Bandee: It's him trying to sing this catchy song we heard! I'm not sure which one honestly, but one goes like, "Strange horizons, rea-"
Lor Starcutter proceeds to crash through the cafe wall and ceiling to crush Bandee||

[pulsar nexus]

LOOOOOL

I need to make comic

||Maybe Magolor has listened to the songs before. If it was still playing on radio||

||and he would never find out||

[thick heron]

||So how do you pronounce Genwel?

Jeh nuel?
Jen well?
Jen wull?||

[sand saddle]

||George||

[crude copper]

||his ass is NOT following us instead of elfilin, he's too big||

||you need to be at least this 🤏 big to be a floating companion character||

[leaden granite]

100% spoiler ||so mrs itoki hana... Last Song cover when? 👁️ ||

[sand saddle]

He'd piggyback Kirby and Kumazaki would explain this was done b/c its hard to tell what direction Kirby is facing since he's a ball so they put magolor there to help you tell

[thick heron]

||They could have made him Genwel Elfilis instead of Meteonelfilis to make it a surname because he's Fecto's brother.||

[crude copper]

Lmaooo
Banjo Kazooie moment

[tawdry canopy]

how much is the game's content number-wise.

[sand saddle]

3

[tawdry canopy]

I want a real number please.

[pulsar nexus]

||Magolor shows up from Kirby’s back and floating back to it||

[sand saddle]

if forgo dreams is a 2 this is a 3

[tawdry canopy]

oh

[leaden granite]

game content -> ||10-ish areas, 1 new final boss, and a harder arena where bosses just have insane patterns with a final final boss||

[thick heron]

||Why is phase 3 of Genwel not in the colosseum?||

[tawdry canopy]

I see.

[pulsar nexus]

||Magolor rides Car mouth||

[leaden granite]

oh and ||a shit ton of lores via new figures and songs||

[pulsar nexus]

||ngl in another universe, Magolor could’ve been in Bandee’s position, except he would interact||

[tawdry canopy]

well I guess that's fair

[sand saddle]

||ig they thought Genwel 3 was less of a real fight and more like a glorified interactive cutscene||

[pulsar nexus]

||honestly I’m glad there’s no phase 3||

[thick heron]

||Oh like the Sectonia inhale laser thing?||

[hazy bear]

(figurine) ||I'm just now seeing the Spaceship New World figure and wtf
is that not just the decapitated Lor||

[sand saddle]

yea ig

[thick heron]

||The third form of Genwel looks like Dark mind. Because the eye slit is vertical.||

[leaden granite]

(100%) ||btw i have been listening to the lyrical part of Last Song again, anyone else getting psychomeddler vibe?||

like ||not identical, but similar||

[sand saddle]

||Extra Mode Magolor Soul in DX and Genwel 3 holding hands for being the only modern Kirby bosses (Where Kirby isn't using a gimmick) that don't appear in any arena||

[tawdry canopy]

||Magolor what are you up to? 🤨 ||

[pulsar nexus]

||okay but TA Magolor Soul is my goat, I want him to show up in my wedding||

[sand saddle]

||Seriously though its weird how there's no checkpoint on Genwel 3||

||If you die to it you have to refight the Giant Impact||

[pulsar nexus]

||game really said skill issue||

[leaden granite]

||they dont expect you to die at genwel 3 lmaooo||

[crude copper]

||lets be real, he wouldn't lol. Player two in FL was clearly an afterthought unfortunately||

[sand saddle]

You see that's what I thought at first but then
|| #1408842700488441949 message ||

[paper slate]

pikminispeakmin#0 - #LEAKS for Star-Crossed World (and FL Switch 2)

BRO WHAT THE FUCK

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[sand saddle]

||His summons do Big Fuck You damage||

[crude copper]

||Genwel 3 doesn't look that easy to me||

||like for "interactive cutscene phase" its by far more involved than any other similar ones||

[deft trellis]

||anyone else think final boss final phase was piss easy? I beat it first try with the regular goddamn hammer. literally just a worse version of star dream soul. giant phase ain't messing around tho||

[pulsar nexus]

||okay no joke some of these attacks are like “WHAT” level of damage, like getting hit by Galactal simply tackling from bottom stole like good chunk of my health and I was genuinely confused. They made Galactal extremely annoying in ZEX||

[sand saddle]

||I mean yea I did just call it a glorified interactive cutscene||

[deft trellis]

||it's not quite demon dragon Ganon bad but I kinda expect better from Kirby||

[sand saddle]

||Its like rather than being extremely hard its just extremely punishing
Its a series of DPS checks that also act as basic awareness checks bc like
Its incredible simple 'spawn 2 enemies and don't get hit by them BECAUSE IF YOU DO THEY DO LIKE 80 DAMAGE'||

[leaden granite]

maybe ||"the strongest warrior in the galaxy" was referring to the WRONG galacta(l)|| (final boss-related spoiler)

[deft trellis]

||I do wonder if certain abilities simply cannot beat it||

[hoary flame]

||I think that shows how well designed the bossfight is. Because that’s the best way you can design a Boss, where it is Not Trail and error to learn the attack patterns first, no as long as you are solid at the game you will be okay||

[sand saddle]

||From the streams I watched today I've legitimately seen people die more to phase 3 than phase 2 because they're at like half health by the time they get to it and they take like 4 hits and die||

||Because they don't pay enough attention to their health to realize all the hits are doing Fuck You damage and they just don't bother respecting the attacks||

[deft trellis]

||the first base Tornado clear will certainly be something to behold||

[sand saddle]

||The shockwaves do normal damage though its just the summons that are Fuck You||

[hoary flame]

||Yeah because that’s sometimes how Kirby fights go. Some bosses are just so weak you can face tank them with strong attacks and you’re good||

||But this is not that kinda boss||

[hoary flame]

||AHEM Planet Robobot Galacta!||

[sand saddle]

||It's a similar but different situation to morpho knight imo
B/c from what I've seen Morpho Knight is the biggest nightmare to people that are bad at FL
Even though I consider him the second easiest postgame boss in FL||

[deft trellis]

||btw anyone ever find out wtf kinda word Genwel is||

[hoary flame]

||I tried my best. It seems Genwel is a made up word||

[analog sequoia]

||regarding the final boss, if Meteonelfilis didn't absorb the starries, would he just be Meteonforgo since he only became a perfect lifeform by absorbing the starries||

[sand saddle]

||Though in Morpho's case its not b/c he has fuck you damage but just b/c he's a damage sponge and his teleports are really punishing if you don't understand when you're supposed to attack a boss or spacing||

[hoary flame]

||There is a high difference between forgo and whatever Melfilis would have become if not for Starriess||

[sand saddle]

||Genwel seems to just be a corruption of Jewel||

[hoary flame]

||Forgo and Eflilin were personality splits. While whatever the weaker form of Melfilis would have been would probably have looked like goop||

||Or just normal Elfilis||

[deft trellis]

||is it a portmanteau of something with "gen" and something with "wel"?||

[thorn sleet]

@sand saddle ||do you have the jp starrie trophy on hand that mentions Probably Galacta Knight||

||I’m curious to see if they could mean void too||

[leaden granite]

(song spoiler) ||we are gonna get so much use out of this line||

[analog sequoia]

||I really hope that Meteonelfilis returns in future games because that design is just so cool, same goes to Elfilis||

[leaden granite]

||monkey paws curl, smash 6 spirit battles.||

[deft trellis]

||is it just me or did these ending look like meteo just got put back in the crystal not dead||

[sand saddle]

Can't find it unfortunately

[analog sequoia]

||yeah he got sealed by the starries again||

[muted nymph]

||Yeah it seems like he got sealed||

[crude copper]

Kuma knew what he was doing while writing that lyric

[leaden granite]

i interpret it as ||first time he was too strong for starries to seal, so after kirby weakened him the starries can properly seal him for eternity. unless???|| (final boss spoiler)

[sand saddle]

There is this funny line in SA though

[analog sequoia]

||Elfilin and Meteonelfilis one on one interaction when||

[deft trellis]

||so far it does not seem possible to kill an elfilis||

[hoary flame]

||I mean… yeah?||

[muted nymph]

||Chaos Elfilis technically died||

[hoary flame]

||Didn’t Elfilis kinda die? He only revived because soul stuff||

[deft trellis]

||Kirby and the Elfilis Planet when||

[leaden granite]

||the potential theory of hyness worshipping the wrong god of destruction is really funny... but that's probably not it. just something i remember this chat discussed||

[hoary flame]

||I don’t think they would have a planet as they were born at the edge of the galaxy. I would say they probably just live in space||

[analog sequoia]

||tbh Elfilis isn't really dead, he just fused back with Elfilin and is probably just chilling inside of him right now lol||

[elder ice]

||This sounds like neichels unfinished song https://open.spotify.com/track/2VmWOZiKDnLq373THopgWC?si=yZlEQsvKRYqfTIondni6rg||

Hear it

You won't unhear it

[deft trellis]

||I wonder how UCEX is gonna go with regular hammer, I've beaten UCZ with it many times||

[analog sequoia]

||ngl I wonder if HAL will pull another star allies and bring back past characters again||

[sand saddle]

This is baro's transcription of it

[deft trellis]

||is that not just genwel||

[elder ice]

Hear it please

[deft trellis]

||like I can see why one would want it to be galacta knight but it's definitely genwel||

[sand saddle]

||Genwel is repeatedly described as something able to destroy a planet, not an entire galaxy
Then again I don't think void nor galacta knight were ever described as being able to do those things either but also even if genwel were that would make this description incredibly poorly worded||

||Like it could literally be anything except genwel b/c genwel is already the subject of the game
Like you don't write "One time, the Starries met a brave hero" in a figure description and be like 'oh yea that just means kirby' you would not write that sentence like that||

[paper spade]

Oooh so I get it. The character/ specifically ダークマター (Daku Mata) isnt actually directly referred to. Void is a being made from 闇の物質 (yami no busshitsu) "Substance of Darkness". That means it's more like Void is formed out of some kind of raw dark cosmic material?

So then yes, the EX description is like (Faye?) said, they sneak in a trick like in Japanese wording, they write the kanji for 闇 (yami) "darkness" but use the figurana at the top to force the reading as ダーク (Dark). That means on paper you’re looking at the kanji for “darkness" 闇 but because the furigana on top of that kanji is ダーク you’re supposed to read 闇 outloud “Daku" instead of "yami", and that Daku is same as in “Daku Mata” species.

Which Im guessing is that Dark Matter IS literally the "Substance of Darkness", so I'm wondering if it's saying these 4 Matters aren't literally building blocks like liquid, gas, solids but more like avatar airbenders elements that can be used and manipulated? And to add on top, I wonder if a correct interpretation and hypothesis is that Dark Matter isn't just a species and aren't just an substance but Dark Matter are literally Dark Elemental Beings (like how you see fire or water elementals being literally made of fire or water.) This can maybe explain things like the master crown? An artifact likely infused with the "Substance of Darkness" gaining traits and abilities of the Dark Matter Elementals??

So if you went and imbued yourself with the "Substance of Darkness", you would likely gain traits of the Dark Matter Species like the big singular eye? If this is the case then it makes sense why we see Dark Matter physically attacking places but also in places you wouldn't expect because that Substance of Darkness is likely used there, bringing about traits of Dark Matter but I wonder what this means are there Heart, Star and Dream Elementals? Like do the soul bosses have a connection in which they get their SOUL power? is it all some kind of external connecting theme?

[deft trellis]

||they crystallized genwel way before the game tho, he's sealed when he falls in the intro||

[paper spade]

I think I wrote over what I just had there oops

[sand saddle]

クラウンに意識があるように見せたくて王冠の目をいやらしい笑い目にしました
I wanted it to look as if the Crown had a consciousness, so I made the crown's eye into a disgusting, smiling eye
Magolor's mouth eye thing is supposed to represent the crown so yea like
Being made of darkness gives you a single eye sure idk

[pulsar nexus]

MAGOLO-

Kirby game is so awesome I wish everything was sentient

[sand saddle]

This is from the RtDL Wii guidebook alopngside magolor 2's concept art iirc

[pulsar nexus]

||man I hope we get to know about master crown’s past more now we got MASSIVE movement in the ancient lore and storyline. Always bet on the unused character from GCN||

[sand saddle]

||I will never bet on that idiot I hope he falls into obscurity||

[pulsar nexus]

WHAT

Always bet on ban of Faye

[sand saddle]

Oh god 5 year 2 week old messages jumpscare

[pulsar nexus]

I could make 86 jokes from this

But I won’t

[paper spade]

okay so new the TLDR (almost had a heart attack thought I deleted everything lmao).Void is an entity born from the “Substance of Darkness” and there is a furigana trick in his pause menu that ties that directly to Dark Matter. This implies Dark Matter aren’t just a species but Dark Elementals beings that are literally born from that substance of darkness, like fire or water elementals in other media. This means their essence can be imbued into people or objects to give them dark matter esque traits or so, and likely a boost in power

[paper spade]

We'll get the return to the dreamland deluxe concept art book in the future, trust

[crude copper]

Unused character is just Traitor Magolor if he was lame

[crude copper]

In Deltarune characters without eyes represent darkness, in Kirby it's characters with one eye...
Same deal, all lack depth perception

[paper spade]

I guess if we go by elements having weaknesses like water beats fire, then I wonder if the artifact used to defeat dark matter in earlier games uses like a type of matter imbued like Heart or Dream? I think I saw a theory somehow about those artifacts relating to a matter but I honestly don't remember

[crude copper]

Well i mean we quite literally used heart heart stick in DL3 to defeat Zero and Dark Matter

Idk how it fits with rainbow sword...

With the crystal at least we can now theorize thanks to ||Starries||

[sand saddle]

rainbow sword is made of rgb power (also localized as lgbt power)

[crude copper]

Dark matter is weak to gays, got it

This is why it wanted to possess Dedede first

[paper spade]

Wasn't there a rock statue that has like the star rod and two other finale weapons Kirby used? I cant remember which game that was in

[sand saddle]

RtDL

its with the triple star and paintbrush

[paper spade]

Okay I can understand Star rod, triple Star but uh the paint brush? My knowledge on canvas curse is quite lacking tbh

Okay yeah the wiki has it, awful quality but I'll take it

[sand saddle]

Bro I just realized they agggggggggggggggggggggggh
||They translated it as World Consumer in base game and World Eater in SCW||

[open cloud]

ok i finished the game i can use this channel now yay

[sand saddle]

Meow you better 100% before you blow up

[open cloud]

I DID DW

all figures + arena done
Yes i used the stat boosters i just wanted to get that shit done tonight lmao

[paper spade]

|| Ehhhh, world eaters are kinda accurate I guess I get what they were going for. World eater I guess sounds more dramatic than the more direct translation? I want to critique it but like... They honestly just phrased it kinda weird in English but if you translated it as star eroding tbh I like it better ||

[open cloud]

||really did not think the final boss would be elfilis's older brother lmfao||

[paper spade]

Hello, welcome to the Niechel fan club

[sand saddle]

||I'm not even really addressing the original JP just that they didn't keep the term the same between the original cutscene and the new one||

[crude copper]

||ELFILIS'S CRAZY OLDER BROTHER?????||

[sand saddle]

||I can't believe we fought Genwel Marionelfilis||

[crude copper]

||ngl world eater sounds better but it's strange that its inconsistent like that||

[sand saddle]

||Inb4 they actually went back and retranslated the original as A New Species of World Eater too but no one noticed||

[crude copper]

||virgin world consooomer vs chad world eater||

It felt painful to type that

[sand saddle]

||Chaos Elfilis: I am a world eater compared to Gothita||
This will either be really annoying or make no sense

[open cloud]

also random thing - ||they call meteoelfilis or whatever the elder brother. Does this imply elfilis is the younger brother. Does this mean elfilis is they/them but masculine. Or am i looking too much into the wording lmao||

[paper spade]

||| it's sounds better but I feel Star Eroding Species sound kinda badass, like when I hear world eater I think of actually munching on the planets themselves||

[sand saddle]

||In JP you can naturally call someone an older brother even if you're saying that relative to a female character or ig nb or whatever||

I think

[open cloud]

Makes sense yeah - was thinking it could just be ||elder brother is irrespective of the gender of the younger sibling. But still would be a funny way to reveal that lol||

[paper spade]

||I think occam razor aka they're just both males and yeah Elfilis is the lil sibling ||

[open cloud]

AHHH i didn't get the ||hal room||

time to boot up the switch again

[paper spade]

Do we all agree that Elfilis is a twink?

[sand saddle]

||Also actually the term JP uses is 長兄 eldest brother
Which weirds me out b/c like
I don't think you'd normally use this term if there weren't multiple siblings||

[sand saddle]

||(Also for the record in the first place the JP figures of the base game refer to Elfilis with a 彼 multiple times)||

[open cloud]

||wait what gender would that indicate||

[paper spade]

|| it's like a male pronoun ||

[sand saddle]

||彼 kare is traditionally male while 彼女 is female
There's an argument to be made that it would be awkward to actually word things gender neutrally in Japanese so they would default to 彼 even with a gender neutral character but idk||

[open cloud]

Ah interesting

[paper spade]

I mean in most languages, well idk about most but many the masculine form of things is typically used as the grammatical default even if they aren't male nor gendered

[sand saddle]

||As examples, in FL's figures, Buffahorn, Theater Waddle Dee, Leongar, Fecto Forgo/Elfilis, Phantom Tropic Woods, Phantom Meta Knight, and Elfilin are the ones referred to with かれ/彼||

[elder ice]

Tbh when it comes to the japanese language pronouns are vastly different

[sand saddle]

||Elfilis pronouns: I sleep
Star Dream pronouns: Now that's the shit I need||

[elder ice]

Why are we spoilering this

[open cloud]

||it's all tied to the final boss of scw||

||even if the discussion is centered on base elfilis||

[paper spade]

I mean like... The pronouns of the final boss are one of the most important things to not spoil

Do you not know the ramifications? (The community will go berserk)

[open cloud]

Also gotta share my thoughts and say
||when I was looking through message logs the other day, i saw a message from this thread saying "galacta knight" and i quickly clicked off it and thinking 'shit did i spoil myself'. So I really was expecting galacta knight to pop up this whole time only for it to be Not Galacta Knight lmfao. Then after the final boss I thought "ok surely morpho is gonnna get replaced with Galacta Knight" (that did not happen)||

||When i actually got to the final boss pre-room and heard the tour again i was thinking "Is this fucking elfilis again"||

OH ONE MORE THING
||when the arena was teasing "one more fight....?" i thought Okay this has Gotta be galacta knight. Sike it's just elfilis||